Should I Get With Teenage Girls?

>>18573215

I dated a 17 year old when I was 22. She was ridiculously mature on account of some crazy shit that had gone on in her family. She already was living on her own, was streetwise, all that kind of stuff. The biggest barrier we had was that I couldn't take her to bars and shit yet, which was pretty annoying.

Anyways, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world if you actually like one, but you're definitely going to be judged. I hate the "can't get a girl your own age" thing, because what if you don't want a girl your own age?

At 23, all of the girls I knew my age were dating older, and I couldn't blame them. They were able to get into clubs for free, and get hit on by some rich attractive doctor in his 30s that could take care of them.

And now that I'm 30 and have my shit in order, I want to date a girl that's 23 - because all of the girls my age are both boring and baby crazy and don't look as attractive. I sure as hell could get them, but why would I want to?

I guess my point is that this is a sliding scale, so don't get too worked up about the age of who you're dating unless it's a legal issue.

>>18573268

Oh and I should note - don't become "the guy" that is going after high school girls. If you meet one you like, that's acceptable. If you're not even trying with girls your age and just targeting 17 year olds, that's when it becomes really creepy.

>>18573215
The idea that guys who date young girls because they can't get other women is a meme. Some guys might be like that, but I'm 29 and in the last year I've been with women who were, respectively, 19, 21, 25, 26, 29, and 33. Chatted with an 18 year old but she was too immature for my tastes. So, play the field, dude. Don't discount any girl just because of age.

Tricky. Perhaps spend time with these girls and see if there's genuinely a connection. If there is, great! hot young pussy and you get on well. If not, well, using them for the purpose of their bodies maybe frowned upon by society and your friends included, you could do it on the sly but I think this would take its toll on your own self esteem eventually

Thanks for the advice, folks.

I do worry about maturity… six years isn't a whole lot, but a lot of maturation occurs from 16 to 23. A lot more than from, day, 19 to 25, or 23 to 29. It's hard for me to imagine me being on the same wavelength as a girl still doing reading comprehension tests. I guess I'll have to talk to them to find out, but at 22, I dated a freshly-18-year-old who had just graduated high school, and I didn't ask her on a third date because I felt the maturity difference was just too large (she is now dating and living with a dude somewhat older than I am, though…).

Also, I'm thinking about the logistics… I don't have my own place, I don't drive, so when we're not out on a date somewhere, I don't really know where we'd hang out.

Also, while dating a 16-year-old would feel weird enough, if I were to only find myself interested in casual relations, is there a way to casually fuck with a 16-year-old in a non-exploitative way? I wouldn't want to take advantage advantage of anybody who may not quite be sure what they want.

>>18573570
Don't feel bad dude.

It's perfectly OK to fall for 16/17 yo girls.
Turning 18 doesn't automatically make you the most mature or rational being in the world.

I know girls that are my age, just finished their degrees and still act like kids and can't think for themselves.

But be prepared to be that guy, people might look at you with disgust.

If it's ok in your country, go for it.

>>18573215
I mean if you're cool with potentially going to jail, sure.

Remember if you're 18 and she's not, it's legally rape!

man I wish I was still in HS. Teenage girls are so fucking sexy nowadays

>>18573215
>should i betray my morals and be an obvious creep even though i know it's gross and wrong

Gee i dunno annon

>>18573734
T. Bitter old cunt.

>>18573215
That's not creepy

I'm 30. Most girls that are my age already have kids and a bunch of baggage. Ideally I'm looking for a girl thats 20-24. I don't think this is weird.

Younger than that would just be weird only because I couldn't relate with them, and they'd likely be going through their slut phase (every girl does this).

>>18573766
same
>tfw at a certain point, if I'm not rich or hot enough, younger girls will ignore me

feels badminton

>>18573770
there is always rape, my friend

>>18573682
>Remember if you're 18 and she's not, it's legally rape!

Nope. Its legal in Nevada and plenty of other places where the age of consent is 16.

Yes, op. If its legal, you def should.

Op, the reason age of consent went up from 12 to 16-18 is because women who were old, ugly, and middle class and had nothing better to do were secretly jealous of the attention younger, more attractive females got.

They invoked anger against child prostitution as a reason to invoke higher age of consent. Fallacious. They could've invoked anti-child prostitution law and kept age of consent low if that's what they were concerned about. Even raising AoC law has not stopped child prostitution, as anti-prostitution law in general has not general prostitution.

The feminists and suffragettes who raised age of consent stated in explicit, undeniable terms, that they wished to control male's sexuality. That male sexuality is disgusting and sinful vice, which males pursue for their own sake, and taint women by 'dragging them down into vice'.

Age of consent presumes male sexuality is bad.

Women who are teachers fuck their UNDERAGE students all the time and get 1-2 years prison, sometimes just house arrest, while men in the same position get 10-20 years.

Why? Because age of consent was meant to punish males. You know women started calling alimony law unfair when they started getting financially hurt by it, even though it was originally designed for men, since men were the 'breadwinners' when it was created.

The point is that suffragettes and feminism have never been about social equality, but superiority of females.

Age of consent didn't even involve the male gender until the 1970's. That's right, you could fuck a 13-14 year old male whereas a 15 or 17 year old female was off limits. Who invoked the age of consent to begin with? feminists.

The US supreme court ruled as late as the 60s to 80s that it was OKAY to unilaterally apply age of consent to males (that is imprison underage males for fucking underage females) due to "the extra burden on female of possible pregnancy".

>>18573852
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10529134/Girls-really-do-mature-quicker-than-boys-scientists-find.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-brain-and-emotional-intelligence/201104/are-women-more-emotionally-intelligent-men

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/womensmedia/2016/11/02/using-emotional-intelligence-is-a-woman-leaders-secret-weapon/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_emotional_intelligence

http://archive.is/CkSjK

>Emotional intelligence (EI) involves using cognitive and emotional abilities to function in .... at detecting consistency with basic emotions, women were superior at detecting deception in both basic emotion and inconsistent emotions conditions

Ask yourself some questions here:

If girls mature 10 years sooner than guys, how are guys the ones taking advantage of 'helpless naive girls' when the guy is slightly older?

if girls supposedly have superior emotional intelligence, which involves understanding motives, why are they considered equals, or even INFERIORS when they have sex with teenage males of their own age, or slightly older males?

if girls are supposedly equal, why is it that when women have sex with underage students, its always referred to as sex and trysts, not rape, whereas men having sex with students is referred to as rape?

Why is it that we seek to protect women from being considered sex offenders, but will destroy frat houses at the mere WORD of a sexual impropriety by a lying cunt of a woman who said she was raped "among shards of glass from a broken table" but had ZERO scratches on her from glass?

>>18573864

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/04/13/books/renegade-view-on-child-sex-causes-a-storm.html

>Some psychologists questioned the authors' methods. But the academic subtleties were forgotten when Dr. Laura Schlessinger, the talk radio host, denounced the article on her show. Soon conservatives were attacking it as an endorsement of pedophilia, and eventually the United States House of Representatives passed a unanimous resolution condemning it.

>The Psychological Bulletin, a highly respected journal, put out by the American Psychological Association, published a review of 59 prior studies of college students who said they had been sexually abused in childhood. The authors concluded that the effects of these encounters were ''neither pervasive nor typically intense,'' although they said gender and circumstance were important factors: a mature 15-year-old boy who has an affair with a young woman, for instance, is far less likely to feel damaged than a girl who has been raped by her father. The authors questioned the practice, common in many studies, of lumping all such cases together as ''sexual abuse,'' suggesting that in some cases they could more accurately be called ''adult-child sex'' or ''adult-adolescent sex.''

https://books.google.com/books?id=VtZmDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=renegade+view+of+child+sex&source=bl&ots=t4Hc5ghgX-&sig=GiD8gazCfCnKka8AYJRsNHZaRAE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih7ryLoLLVAhXJrVQKHXacCosQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=renegade%20view%20of%20child%20sex&f=false

Here's another thing.

https://www.ageofconsent.net/close-in-age-exemptions

>Close in age exemptions are also known as Romeo and Juliet laws. They were created specifically to help to protect young people from the relatively extreme consequences of violating the age of consent law, which could label a young person as a sex offender for the rest of their life simply for having consensual sex with their boyfriend or girlfriend.

>>18573878

The presumption of age of consent violations is that such contact is akin to rape.

Why is it rape? Because one person is deemed mentally incapable of consenting by the law. Yet we have states that provide close in age exemptions to have sex to protect two underage people from the law.

Let's take a sideways trip back to the notion that age of consent was primarily aimed at punishing males for having sex with females for a moment.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/14-year-old-could-face-life-as-sex-offender-for-11154021.php

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-boy-14-faces-felony-sex-12-year-old-girlfriend-article-1.3177008

https://crimewatchdaily.com/.../12-year-old-boy-steals-pizza-delivery-car-drives-2k-m

https://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230

>n the U.S., the Supreme Court ruled that it was constitutional to apply the age of consent only to girls. The ruling found a new, "modern" basis for the law: the consequences of pregnancy for females.
This debate foreshadowed a new link between the law and teenage pregnancy in the 1990s. Conservatives seeking to control adolescent sexuality joined with welfare reform activists. They promoted claims that the enforcement of the age of consent could prevent teenage motherhood (and rising welfare costs) that resulted from girls' exploitation by adult men. Few cases actually fit that pattern, but campaigns to publicize and enforce the law on that basis were implemented in at least 10 states.
Narrowly concerned with sexual violence, and with girls, originally, since the 19th century the age of consent has occupied a central place in debates over the nature of childhood, adolescence, and adulthood, and been drawn into campaigns against prostitution and child marriage, struggles to achieve gender and sexual equality, and the response to teenage pregnancy.

>>18573889

Even when we have close in age exemption laws, it is the male who is punished, if either one is to be punished for mutual underage sex.

If a female sends nudes of herself to a male and she's underage, it is the male who gets in trouble for possession child porn, even if she's 17 years old and 335 days.

If the male sends his nudes to her, he's guilty of creating and distributing child porn and corrupting a minor. She is not guilty of receiving it.

>>18573905

The summation of all this is that the current social prohibitons of fucking legal 16 year old females lies in the notion that females are somehow:

Emotionally superior to males.

Better at knowing when deception is occurring.

Brains develop 10 years earlier than males.

And yet they are:

mentally weaker than males and easily seduced.

not the agents of their own lives, merely puppets used by males.

That's why females fucking the underage get almost no prison time, while males fucking the underage get assloads of prison time and are condemned as child rapists even if she's a teenager.

What teenagers are not is children. They aren't children biologically, psychologically, physically. On any scale that matters. And you can look that up.

The point to all this is that if you are 20-23 and you have a 16-17 year old girl willing to jump on your dick (and she's legal!), then you should go for it, because all the cultural prohibitions that inform how people feel about the situation are built on deep-seated prejudices about males being distinctly 'bad and immoral' and females 'good and virtuous', on females being superior, and yet inferior.

Its all B U L L S H I T.

Go for it.

In 1918, a man wrote 'the fraud of feminism'.

I'll leave it here:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/bax/1913/fraud/chap2.htm

Here's a video. The officer says "violence shouldn't happen, ESPECIALLY against women".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHkuYOr1hdU

Why especially among equals?

VAWA considers males primary aggressors and arrests them if they call the cops on their wife stabbing them. Yes this happens. VAWA = violence against women act. It is a special law only for women.

if you're equal, why do you need special laws?

https://www.thelocal.se/20100112/24330

See here women were being kept out of classrooms because they dominated those classes in numbers and the gender equality act ended up helping males instead of females.

Suddenly because its helping males its problematic.

This is more weight to the side that says feminism wasn't seeking equality but superiority.

What could be more superior than being perceived as mentally and emotionally superior to another gender, yet less responsible for your actions if they're bad (violence, sex)?

Let's revisit R&J laws and two underage fucking. If we presume that the crime of someone having sex with someone underage is so bad that it is equivalent to rape, why should someone get away with it because they're underage? As unfair as this argument may sound, if sex causes harm to someone underage such that it is equivalent to rape, then someone aught to be locked up for it, both for punishment of them and protection of others, as well as a publicly visible warning to potential future individuals.

And this does happen where underage males get locked up, as over 90% of underage sex offenders are male and most of those are on there for having 'willing but illicit sex' with their underage girlfriend.

We should not condone rape of any sort. Allowing someone to 'get away with it' because they're underage seems like condoning of the act. Its like a foreign ambassador having immunity after running someone over with a car

>>18573956

In this situation, you aren't even 'intergenerational'. You're of the same generation, and people are still going to give you shit for it because "oh, poor girls with their superior emotions and earlier brain development are manipulated and easily seduced, and don't understand what they're doing" bit.

Age of consent, like 90% of the rest of feminist theory, is situated on the Power Dynamic claim.

That is if one person has more power than the other, a relationship between the two is unequal and inherently exploitative.

You nodded to that being in your early 20's and them being 16-17.

But its curious isn't it? When we look at numbers, biology and all the feminist claims of female superiority go out the window.

Even though they mature sooner physically (including brain), and are supposedly more emotionally intelligent, they are still considered flat-out weaker than a young 20's male based purely on birthdate.

So lets throw the things which support feminist narratives of how great girls are out the window on a fallback claim that birth-age trumps all, because of convenience of the narrative of Power Dynamic.

>>18573975
There seems to be a myth in our culture that people continue developing "power" at a steady rate. That a 10 year old vs a 14 year old is as unequal as a 20 year old vs a 24 year old.

Well, IQ decreases as we age.

If we think that brain maturation is where we draw the line at 'appropriate sexual encounters', I got startling news.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2010-12-brain-fully-mature-30s-40s.html

Prior to this, people were suggesting that age of consent was defensible because people matured in their 20's, so its a power imbalance.

Now it turns out brains aren't fully mature until the 40's?

Do it op or you're a faggot.

>>18573635
>>18573635
In terms of being attracted to teenage girls, I feel that is normal. Physically, we can't expect our arousal to discriminate amongst post-pubescent bodies based on social customs.

But being attracted and acting on attraction are two different things. I work with this fat, married 40-something dude (who has a hot wife already who is still a dime in her 40s) who makes remarks about some of the teenage girls in the workplace. I don't blame him for being attracted to them. That's normal. But I feel like he should practice the self-control to not say creepy things about them.

So, I kinda wonder if the same applies to me (for fraternising with them, I already don't make a habit of, erm… "locker room talk;" I'd rather just go up to a hot girl and hit on her than stand around with other dudes commenting on her knockers). Like, being attracted is one thing, but is taking them out or even doing more than that something I should hold myself above?

>>18574174
>But being attracted and acting on attraction are two different things. I work with this fat, married 40-something dude (who has a hot wife already who is still a dime in her 40s) who makes remarks about some of the teenage girls in the workplace. I don't blame him for being attracted to them. That's normal. But I feel like he should practice the self-control to not say creepy things about them.


Your assumption of its creepiness comes from the self-serving propaganda of aged feminist women who are single and lonely and let their looks fade.

dont let prime pussy go to waste, its just like fruit. It only gets more bruised looking, squishier, and more sour the more it ages.

Anyone else got opinions on banging 16 year olds as a male over 19?

If only you were so much older, OP. If you were like 30 or 40 years old, that age gap you mentioned would be meaningless. A person would laugh at a 23 year old feeling weird about that age gap since to a person so much older, you both look essentially the same age.

I'm 32, dating with 14yo. Bro, it's ok.

>>18575069
As long as she's legal and you aren't manipulating her or abusing her.

Hope you're in germany.

No.

Do you really need elaboration?

>>18575104
Yes. Because you're a stupid puritan fucked up in the head by aggressive feminizing.

I dated a 23 year old guy when I was 16, so I believe I can offer some perspective. It was weird. I didn't see it that way when I was 16, but now I realize that he constantly tried to push me into stuff I wasn't ready for. We were also at completely different stages in life. He was starting to work, I was in high school. The gap in experience Is quite large. Seven years isn't really that much of a difference, but when one party is basically a kid (and that's what you are at 16 even if you insist you aren't at that age), it's really too much. I wouldn't do it if I were you, OP. Though I guess it might work if you go slow and let her decide the pace of your relationship.

>>18575123

Less that and more that teenagers are dumb fucks still being led by the nose by their hormones and the idiot ideas fostered by high school. A lot of their societal workings are dictated pretty entirely by what people think of it in high school, who thinks it's cool, who thinks it's not. The only ones that don't aren't in your scope, I'm guessing, and even they 'grow up' and go through experiences to come out a different person at the end.

You're looking for something entirely different in a relationship. If she's said otherwise, it's because that impresses you and you impress that upon her by wanting it; if she can generate a favourable reaction, she's more likely to do something. This behaviour fades out of teenagers (boys and girls) as they grow up and realize they have to clean up after their own choices; in high school, given the clique mentality and sheer facetious nature of it all, it just doesn't ever really come about that they have to pay quite so closely as adults do for dumb choices.

It has nothing to do with puritan. These kids are getting laid long before I did. It's just that if you're desperate enough for teenagers, you're going to realize yourself why more guys don't just pick up teenagers and then you're going to be 'that guy who dates younger because he can't compare to people his age.'

The joke is, this would be exponentially less an issue if you meant eighteens and nineteens as they are generally out of high school and have some perspective. But you don't even have that, these are legitimately high schoolers and you are legitimately sizing them up as equals. Unless you were homeschooled, I can't possibly fathom how you think this is a good idea... high school is a completely separate society for the teenager and it dictates a profound portion of their lives.

But don't let me stop you; dive right in, eat up that teenage puss and experience the wild success we're all abstaining from as puritans, or whatever else.

>>18575144
>Less that and more that teenagers are dumb fucks still being led by the nose by their hormones and the idiot ideas fostered by high school. A lot of their societal workings are dictated pretty entirely by what people think of it in high school, who thinks it's cool, who thinks it's not. The only ones that don't aren't in your scope, I'm guessing, and even they 'grow up' and go through experiences to come out a different person at the end.

In 10 years from 20 you'll realize you were still a dumb fuck. In 10 years from 30 you'll realize you were STILL a dumbfuck.

>>18575144
>It has nothing to do with puritan. These kids are getting laid long before I did. It's just that if you're desperate enough for teenagers, you're going to realize yourself why more guys don't just pick up teenagers and then you're going to be 'that guy who dates younger because he can't compare to people his age.'

Lol.

The typical ad hominem thrown in as part of argument. Maybe his penis is also tiny too, so he wants a tiny teen vagina as opposed to the bigger adult girl vagina, right?

You know you people are so pathetic, you throw all kinds of insults at the wall to see if it sticks to shame people into not doing something you don't like, and for no other reason than because you yourself were trained to believe in this.

>>18575151
>>18575154

Then go ahead and date teenagers, man-- if you're so set, why even ask?

It sounds like you know what you want, you just needed some 4channers to yea-say you so you could feel better about something you obviously had reservations about.

So there you go-- go get 'em. Teenagers are just fine, so nothing should really stop you from dating them.

>>18573734

>should i betray my instincts and be an obvious sexually viable male even though i know its natural and healthy

Gee i dunno annon

>>18575162
not even op u faggot

>>18573920

YESSSSSSSSS


YOU ARGUED THIS WELL! THANK YOU! NO APPEALS TO EMOTION! NO BLATANT PERVERSION!

Thank you!

If homosexuality is a-ok, and weed is a-ok, and everything is legal, the only logical step is to recognize that women age 14 and up are sexually viable.

It is not perversion or manipulation. It is literally nature.

>>18573215
>I've always felt that dudes that go for way younger girls are losers who can't get a woman their age.
Didn't read the rest cause this triggered me hard.
Men who go for younger women don't want women their age because women their age that are single have been riding the cock carousel their entire lives. They want a younger girl because they want a pure wife to impregnate and have a family with.

>>18575124

But what does his age have to do with that?

I know relationships where the people were 16 and 17 and that happened. I know relationships in peoples mid to late twenties where that happens.

It is the person, not the age.

>>18575184
hi there.

I'm glad you appreciated it.

I've been wrestling with a number of cultural inconsistencies and especially this one because it affected me when I was around 20-22 as well. They look like my equals for all intents and purpose, at 17, why should it be illegal to fuck them?

I don't know how we gauge people's age. Is it through looking in a mirror? Would a person going their life without a mirror see kids as their contemporary even into old age?

Is it because of the way our society functions, so that at every turn we're constantly being told our age by various functions of the world? (that how I met your mother guy, the guys who played in the TV series Community, etc, all have 'neoteny' faces, perhaps they feel younger?).

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3erhv6/39_year_old_seinfeld_with_his_17_year_old/

Here's Seinfeld dating a 17 year old at 39. Scotty from the orginal star trek is rumored to have dated, then married, a 17 year old in his 50's.

I've met many people over my life. Some have appeared old and haggard. When I was still young I saw a guy that looked like his skin quality was of someone in his 40's, but due to his build he clearly SEEMED to be in his early 20's, maybe even 19.

There's an illness called Progeria which causes advanced aging. A pretty sad condition in which people essentially become 60 years old at 12 and eventually die from heart failure. It is quite literally 'rapid aging'.

For all of us lucky people, we age +/-10 years difference in my experience. Some people, typically movie stars for whatever reason, will look like they're in early to mid 20's into their 30's.

This is what typifies the older female actresses in their upper 30's who chronically get work.

On the other hand, I've seen and personally know women that are in their 28-30's and have this heavy set face and look about them which makes them look 40.

>>18575376
There's actually science behind both premature aging (excess stress), and basic different aging rates by individual due to genetics.

All this is to say that Im curious as to how humans gauge others to be "on the same level" physically, emotionally, etc.

I've always had this issue where people 5 years younger always look like my equal, and people have always commented that I look much younger than I am, although thats rapidly fading these days.

Is it related to the immortal, non-replicating and replacing cells in our brain stem which hold the 'age clock'? I wonder about that. There certainly seems to be a mechanism inside us that compares our body state to the body states of others, because when I was 14, 20 year olds looked like old adults, and now, more often than not, 20 year olds look like high school teens to me.

If people age at different rates outwardly, why would they not age at different rates internally as well? E.g. brain mass and thought complexity. I mean, we've all heard of the 'late bloomer', right?

Perhaps there is a precocious 16-17 year old out there ready to do the nasty with some 23 or 39 year old. Perhaps it won't ruin there life. Perhaps there's another 16-17 year old who still thinks sex is gross and finds naked intimacy both intimidating and 'naughty'.

Another poster brought up an interesting point.

>>18575124
All that may be true, but that doesn't stop similar coercion into sex from peer-aged individuals. If the concept of age of consent rested solely on the grounds of preventing coercion, then anyone underage should be jailed for sex with similar underage, as an overage with an underage is innately considered to have coerced the underage into sex.

Why not the other underage as well? I look at age of consent like this: Its a bright red line and you have two pools. In one pool, these people are free to coerce each other into sex at will, have debauched acts aplenty, every position, swallow each other's body fluids, etc

>>18575388
Many sex-positive parents and politicians would even say it is not only the right of teens who are underage but also a responsibility of society to allow them to learn 'sex games' with their peers.

In all this, one peer could coerce another easily, by being the hot jock who has a nice car his parents bought, pushing the ugly girl into sex before she's ready, and she'll comply because he's the 'cool guy'.

Age of consent lines don't solve peer-age coercive acts. As long as no actual rape occurs, he or she who was coerced by their age-peer has no legal recourse.

Similarly, in the other pool, you have all the 'adults'. They're free to do all the exact same thing as the first pool, even up to coercive styles of sex, as long as nothing falls into a clear category of rape.

In both pools, people can be hurt by manipulation. Yet it is only when people from the latter cross into the former pool that manipulation/coercion is considered automatically applied, and thus law gets involved to punish someone.

I can get it. Im sure there's arguments its like Mike Tyson boxing a high schooler. But there's the rub. If you're thinking of relationships and sex as combats where one side wins and one side loses, you're automatically setting yourself and those who prescribe to that notion for lots of hurt feelings, resentment, and pain.

>>18575394
Especially in the realm of being pressured into sex. If you feel like you lost something, or that someone gained at your expense, then of course you'll feel awful after someone convinces you to have sex.

if relationships and sex are just treated as things people cooperatively play roles with each other, then even a breakup can be a semi-fulfilling role.

Anyway, most heartache from lost friends or lovers comes from the loss of the selfish ego, the loss that says "I lost something that was good FOR ME".

Which I think is totally fine, if you're also not harboring resentment towards the person you lost, or you're glad for the time you had.

>>18575396
Anyway, those two 'pools' I describe allow people in either pool to potentially abuse those in the same pool with no legal repercussion, but then criminalize cross pool sex in one direction only on the basis that it was inherently abusive.

And not just abusive like an abusive boyfriend, but abusive like a small child raped by their parent. That's the kind of imagery age of consent violations have been built into wit constant propaganda.

Anyone who looks into whether sexual relations between people who are 18+ and people who are under 18 are actually as bad (or not) as teen+teen relationships gets cast as pedophilic supporters and has their research condemned.

(Hint: Pedophilia involves prepubescents, typically 12 or less, for anyone 16+ in age, and requires a chronic condition of desire).

So teens aren't even the subject of pedophilic interest but merely suggesting that 16 year olds are hot gets you labeled a pedophile in today's world if you're mid 20's or older. Why? once again, the propaganda war.

>>18575403

Not only that, but there is proof that rates of depression/suicide increase with sexual activity of minors with other minors.

Furthermore, there is also proof that about 3/5ths or possibly 1/2 of all teen sex relationships are coercive in nature.

Of course, those stats are derived from feminist-designed questionnaires, which have the some political agenda as the 1 in 4 stats.

As a sidebar, a place with the true 1 in 4 stat for rape is the congo. Do any of you believe that college campuses are as lawless and dangerous as the Congo? If it was real, no one would allow their daughters to go to college.

Like I said long ago, the ideology that constantly churns out how wonderful females are, how they mature sooner, are better at interpersonal relations, yet then somehow are always the victim and manipulated/seduced, and never the manipulator/seducer, is the same one that says we have rape on college campuses at the same rates as the Congo.

If you've read all of this, some of it might be muddled, but you should come up with a clear picture of where this notion that someone, who is 20-23 and eyeing a 16-17 year old, is some kind of loser or sick cunt.

I mean, there was even a person in this thread erroneously stating that the age of consent is 18 so they're not legal. In at least 11 states, the age of consent is 16. Its 16 in Canada, UK, Australia. Its 15 in France. Over there some politician recently recounted his sexual congress with a much older woman when he was 15.

Like I said yesterday, the ideology responsible was suffragettes and feminism. They said in no uncertain terms that they wanted to control male sexuality.

Today we live in a world where males who 'get some' from a much older woman are seen as lucky when that male is underage, but the females are considered victims of an atrocity akin to rape if they're the ones underage 'getting some' from a male.

And it goes back to the animosity, mostly driven and created by feminism.

>>18575409
The way in which relationships are viewed as combative rather than cooperative experiences, where female sexuality is prized and destroyed in its value through sex with a male.

If you view sex relations through the lens of female sexuality having value and male sexuality having no value, then it becomes clear why males 'get lucky' and females 'feel used' when a guy is able to have sex with one.

Speaking once more of the 'two pools', don't you find it interesting that they want two groups of people who are impulsive and likely to behave irrationally (teens) to fuck only each other?

In states where age of consent are at their highest (18), teenage pregnancy is also at its highest. Where age of consent is lower, pregnancy is lower. Just a curious stat.

In a manner of speaking, age of consent actually controls your sexuality if you're under 18 or under 16. It doesn't allow you to fuck who you please when you want, so you could see that as oppressing your choice/rights with your own body, because any girl that's with a 19-20 year old will not be able to have sex with him/her because it will harm their partner.

So you're left with either not being able to have sex or breaking up with them. Unless you're a sociopathic girl, in which case you can have sex with all the older people they want and then blackmail them and they'll get in trouble for statutory rape.

Here's an article I stumbled on recently, so I think it fits this narrative I've built pretty well.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/21/massachusetts-teacher-student-sex-bill-yet-to-be-endorsed-by-teachers-union.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/dangerous-good-looking-woman-classroom-hormonal-teenage-boys/

In the former article, the reason this bill was created was due to the growth of KNOWN instances of female teachers fucking students. Could you imagine any union not backing it if the 'plague of teachers fucking students' had been mostly male?

In the latter, we're calling the male liar

>>18575419
Could you imagine an article written anywhere saying "is it dangerous to be a good looking male teacher in a classroom full of hormonal teenage girls"?

Imagine the outcry.

Anyway, the sum is:

Age of consent laws come with exemptions, that do not preclude any abusive relationships on either side of that bright red line. Age peers can abuse each other sexually just as easily as non-age peers.

Sex and relationships are viewed as combative where one seeks to win or get the better of the other, rather than as cooperative. Why do girls feel used from sex? Why should they?

People physically and mentally age at different rates, but age of consent law doesn't account for this. Even less so to the notion of feminist supported psychology propaganda which tells us girls mature faster and are interpersonally smarter.

There's examples of actors who date 17 year olds, and clearly they are not incapable of pulling some pussy their own age. They are stars with careers.

In the same vein, many female teachers having sex with their underage students are not incapable of pulling dick their own chronological age. Let's see this advice:

>>I've always felt that dudes that go for way younger girls are losers who can't get a woman their age.

Aimed at women who fuck underage students.

As a personal note, I knew a lesbian in my high school, and she went on to marry one of the old lesbian teachers at said high school. Which is ironic seeing as lesbians have 2x more domestic violence rates than hetero partners, and 4x more than homo partners. if anyone is a possible victim of abuse, it'd be the much younger lesbian, but it doesn't fit the 'men bad, women good' narrative.

That's about all I have for today.

>>18573215
Why'd you ask such dumb question on 4chan? You knew creeps were going start popping out the woodwork and ask why their ability to rape women isn't enshrined in law. Is this why you asked? Cos you knew you were going to get support?

>>18575424
If you think they're women and they give consent, how can it be rape? If you think they're not able to give consent, how can they be women?

>>18573215

In her thumbnail she looks like the 30 year old version of some actress or model from the 90's. Its freaky.

https://img0.etsystatic.com/155/0/7456684/il_340x270.1146025948_kn7u.jpg

No, not her, kinda close tho.

OP pic face has a more aggressive white woman feel to it unlike shania. Maybe someone who played on Spin City or something.

>>18573215
honestly, if we had genetic anti-aging available to us, I'd def. bang a 40 year old with a body like a 16 year old.

After all, what people are concerned about is the person's mind, right? That's the big issue at play here. Mental Maturity. Legally getting to bang something that looks like OPs pic, because she's 40, would be a utopia.

You can go for it but If I were you I'd only go after the one's that have no father in their lives. Because seriously, I'd like to know one father that's actually okay with their 14 year old daughter going out with a 30 year old creep. You can argue 'muh human nature' or 'muh gender bias' all you want But no SANE father would want their little girl going out with some middle-aged man. But who am I kidding, chances are any teenage girl who actually goes out with middle aged men most likely don't have any figure in their lives.

>>18575423
This was all well argued, but do you intend to take these arguments and attempt to change AoC laws in the United States? Assuming you reside there.

>>18573215
no.

Try it, make sure she actually likes you though

>>18573215
If 16 is legal where you are the is absolutely 0 reason you shouldn't be hitting that sweet teen puss

>>18573215
Highschool girls are immature and very dramatic. I dated my best friends sister when I was 21 and she was 17.
I loved her.I talked with her about her problems (which were mostky just her talling shit behind her friends ehind their back) I tried to show her I loved her so many times.

Unfortunately, she was was too immature to realize what a healthy relationship was. She became so jealous and so mean. I couldn't even talk to a waitress if she was a girl. We began to fight all the time because she was jealous. She would send me long texts telling me I was a fucking asshole.

I ended up leaving some flowers on her car with a note telling her she was an amazing person but we weren't right together. A week later I had my windshield destroyed with a break, and she swore it wasn't her. So damn ridiculous. Find a girl who isn't a dramatic, crazy-person..

>>18573215
I was literally in your situation. 16 and 22. I'm the end I tapped dat ass. She was immature. Broke up an year later. We friends now. All in all it worked out.

>>18574399
Scientifically inaccurate but ok

>>18576604
Thats not normal even at 17. I dated a 15 year old when I was 18 and we stayed together until she was almost 19 and I was 21. She never did shit like that. Even at 15 bro.

>>18573215
Fucking children is repulsive and if you fuck kids you're gross and should die.

>>18575170
So, what you're saying is men think with their dicks before their brains

>>18576604
>>18577109

Jesus christ guys.

I gave you a link regarding this behavior

>>18577198

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c4ZKhRFWb4

Here it is again in case you missed it.

Adult women act like this too. In fact, far too many.

you guys think its an issue of someone being only a teen and being immature. Its not. Its basic narcissism/antisocial disorder in the female vein.

I want to be perfectly clear here.

This behavior does NOT get better with age. They're messed up and it has nothing to do with being a teenager.

>>18573215
I'm currently dating someone 12 years older than me and once dated someone 7 years younger so your age difference really isn't that extreme and quite negligible, honestly. Do expect other people to make it awkward for you though, mostly family and friends. They're usually the ones who will make it a thing.

But if it's really meant to be, you wouldn't even think about the age difference 99% of the time, and when you do, it'll just be a fact of life: high school vs college, school vs work, etc.

Do expect to have to fork up cash, it's just something you have to live with, and if you're not okay with that then don't be upset when they say they're too poor. They will most definitely be insecure about that, and will try their hardest not to make the relationship feel like a sugar daddy type thing so you'll have to make them comfortable but not comfortable enough that they're taking advantage of you. Most decent people should know where that midpoint is though.

Be wary though, younger people can be immature as fuck, I'd say to check out their social media before you really commit to moving towards a relationship (I recommend drawing out the friendship desu) as that usually reveals all. My younger boyfriend was too much into vague Facebook posts and mindgames that fed his own insecurities.

Pedo-fags and then the losers who salivate at the thought of a clueless subservient waif that they can finally use to assert their ego focus too much on the "hurrr it's society oppressing you man!"

Let's be fucking real, here. I'm sure you're not too old to forget how much of a derpy fuck you were at 16 and 17. Teenaged girls are not very different - some might be mature beyond their years, most are not.

Yeah, I know it's hard to think of good reasons to say no when imagining hot, nubile, tender poon quivering and moist for you, but imagine if you were the father that found out that your daughter who can't even drive by herself yet is getting wrecked by R. Kelly.

>>18577292
>Pedo-fags and then the losers

Lol. Pedos don't go after teens nigga. Like shit nigga. Educate urself.

>>18573215
Ur still in HS at 23?
>I am, still in high school, who seem


Nah bro you dont need a 16 yr old. Idgaf that you are brining up the consent ossue cuz it is all about the pussy.

You dont need an immature teenager, and before you shout at me that she is mature:

I know cool 18 year olds that I enjoy talking to, however I am 30 and will not date them. They are still developing mentally.

>>18577424

Congrats on not reading commas I guess? A 30 y.o. should really have basic grammar under their belt.

When i was 24 I lost my job and worked for a few months at taco bell. I ended up hooking up with a 17 year old who had a fat ass. I felt really weird about it afterwords and quickly quit that job.

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>>18573920
tl,dr, but i agree 100%.

>>18577928
THICC AF

Rather have the sign holder. or the OP

>>18577897
>When i was 24 I lost my job and worked for a few months at taco bell. I ended up hooking up with a 17 year old who had a fat ass. I felt really weird about it afterwords and quickly quit that job.

24 and 17 isn't even close to bad. I mean, look at what you said. You basically were a victim of rape by any feminist standard because you hooked up with someone due to low self-esteem, someone you'd never otherwise hook up with due to her age/fat ass in all likelihood. That means she took advantage of your vulnerable state to fuck you, ergo you're a victim of rape by feminist standards.

>>18577937
Not only that, but it created a hostile work environment as you felt weird and had to quit your job. She's also responsible for sexual harassment at work under feminist ideology, due to you feeling uncomfortable enough to quit your job.

Remember, feelings of rape and sexual harassment are not about the person accused, they're about how you feel victimized. Its all internal.

You may not think of yourself as victimized but you stated a few claims which would be considered victimized if it came from the mouth of a female.

>>18577928
Rather have it after its been on ice a while ;)

I've never seen the issue. Back when I was 17 and newly graduated all my female classmates were dating late 20's/30 year olds.

You'll get shit for it because it's a double standard, but who gives a shit?

>and they'd likely be going through their slut phase (every girl does this).
citation needed

>>18578001
Just take a random POLE of the average girl if you've got a nice 10/10 chadface and some good clothes and work out.

>>18573215

Most people in polite society would not approve and would probably think you were a bit pathetic, but I don't think anybody would run you out of town.

I think you're getting too much positive response from this board though, don't take it as an accurate representation of how people would perceive your relationship.

Personally, I don't think you should do it. I'm assuming you're only considering it because you're horny and don't have a lot of options, other people (potential gfs) will find it unattractive at best and disgusting at worse, and c'mon dude, they're teenagers. I get the arguments that the anons have been making in this thread and they're not wrong (except that one guy with the news articles and essays; he's clearly a weirdo and should not be listened to), but this isn't an issue that can be rationalized/quantified with empirical data. You're talking about getting into a romantic relationship with a high school girl. Think about how emotionally immature most women in college are... this is going to be ten times worse.

>>18578087
>I think you're getting too much positive response from this board though, don't take it as an accurate representation of how people would perceive your relationship.

Are you retarded? The people who are giving the thumbs up are always acknowledging that it'll be looked down on.

>I'm assuming you're only considering it because you're horny and don't have a lot of options, other people (potential gfs)

tell me female teachers fucking underage students don't have a lot of options.

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>>18573215

Dude how are you meeting these fucking nymphets?

I'm 20 and I want to fuck a 16 yr old girl so badly where the fuck do you find them

>>18578243
have a high visibility job. get fit.

>>18578259

wtf?


I am fit, im cutting down soon my abs will start showing and I lift now so I have bigger pecs/biceps/chest overall

but yeah I dont come into contact with qt 15/16/17 yr olds, im at my apartment in uni during this summer

holy FUCK i need to fuck a smol girl

>>18578269
Hang out in public. Its not strange for you to do so yet.

>>18578107

>Are you retarded? The people who are giving the thumbs up are always acknowledging that it'll be looked down on.

Weird, how we can read the same thread and perceive it so differently, but whatever. My point is that the response from society at large towards will be much more contemptuous than this thread.

>tell me female teachers fucking underage students don't have a lot of options.

This is just non-sequitur. OP is not a female teacher fucking underage students. OP is a 23 year old college student living with his parents with no car working some job where his co-workers are teenagers. You think fucking teenagers is going to make him cooler? No, at best he'll get his dick wet while lowering his status in the eyes of anybody who finds out about it.

I get that you're trying to make some argument that if people think it's okay or make light of the cases where older females sleep with younger males, but it's irrelevant. Men and women are held to different standards. And I'm not someone who thinks they should be held to the same standard so don't give me that shit.

arguing that dating younger girls is sleazy and saying they can't get a women their age is a strategy used by aging women to shame attractive young men into dating their wrinkled asses

go for it man, there's literally nothing wrong with caring for a younger person. think about it. women all "date up" anyway, they want a guy who's better than them, which usually just boils down to being older anyway.

A lot of girls date older guys.

As a young guy in the past rejected because I wasn't old enough, who is or old enough dating younger girls, it's completely normal.

The rage you feel when the girl you like during your adolescent years is stolen away by some older and mature male is made up when you yourself become the older, mature male.

>>18573570
women don't mature past 18 anyway

stop projecting your own experiences to the female population