>want to date girls >realize 99% of girls have already

>>18532150

Virginity is not a virtue, it doesn't make you or anyone else special.

Do you think a girl that has only had sex once is already "defiled"?

Wanting to date a virgin is fine, accepting no substitutes is stupid. Unless the girl has a history of having stds, cheating, or in general being shitty she's fine to date. Also it takes serious trauma or similar effort to permanently stretch a vagina if that's what concerns you

>>18532156
yes

women should save themselves for marriage. or at least, for someone they are in love with

Why? Because a woman's value decreases the more people she's had sex with. sluts know this, that's why they lie about their history/don't brag about how many they've slept with.

Why? Because a woman's biological imperative is to lock down the best possible mate to raise her offspring. When a woman has sex for the first time, oxytocin is released, which is the bonding hormone that allows women to feel attached to their partner/baby. when a woman gets pump and dumped, she becomes jaded and she feels less oxytocin, thus her ability to pair bond diminishes.

not only that, but recent studies have shown that prior men's DNA actually becomes encased inside women, and accumulates in their brains/spines, and actually gets passed on to their children

there are many scientific reasons for why non-virgin women are less valuable than virgin women.

Not only that, but it's an emotional thing. How can you be happy knowing you will never be her first?

>>18532190
>or at least, for someone they are in love with

And if she was in love with him? But then it didn't work out, of course, that's why you come into the picture.

A person isn't an object that loses value when it's being used. If someone is a good person then they only continue to become more interesting, kind and so on throughout life. She wasn't a blank slate before sleeping with anyone, she was already damaged by life in her own ways. And after dating a guy she will have gained life experience, some that might make her a worse (eg more guarded) partner for the short term future, but it's also possible that someone calling her out on stuff and challenging her to step it up as a partner actually makes her more worthwhile.

Basically it depends on whether you want a girlfriend as an asset or that you want to connect with another human being and accept that they lived a life before you came into the picture - in fact, that's a huge part of the appeal.

Also as a girl who used to be a virgin up until a later age - older virgins do not want to date guys who are fixated on their virginity, either. They want to be liked for who they are like anyone else.

>>18532195
I suppose that's more forgivable. but how often is that the case

every girl I've dated got pump and dumped on tinder or in college. no serious relationships anywhere in sight

>>18532200
She wasn't a blank slate, but sex is literally the most intimate thing you can do with someone, and since shes done that with multiple Chads by the time shes with me, what about it will be special to her? I will just be another guy she has sex with.

>>18532204

Ok, can I ask you why re you here? You have already made up your mind, right? So what kind of advice do you want?

I do think your world view is shit, by the way, but that's not my problem. Is there something this board can help you with or do you just want a platform to preach?

>>18532214
just wondering what all the hype about dating is about, when most people these days view sex as nothing more than a handshake

>>18532213
Because sex isn't a static thing that's the same experience every time. There is a world of difference between being plowed by a stranger when you're drunk, or having sex with the person you love the most in the world after tearfully deciding that yes, you want to have a child together, let's try for one now.

The human brain isn't some machine that registers things objectively. Think of how you would feel if the biggest crush you ever had kissed you on the lips, vs some girl you find so unattractive that you recoil when seeing her. Technically it's both a kiss, but the experience will be worlds apart.

If the motion of putting a penis in a vagina is the most special about your relationship then that's not really a great sign. It is about the mental connection which, among many many many other things, changes the entire experience of sex.

>>18532221

Sex is just an activity. You can place as much weight unto it as you want, but that doesn't change how others feel about it.

Also, if you want to see how other people feel about some topic, try being less confrontational next time. Right now. most people that actually reply are already on edge thanks to your opening statement.

>>18532230
>Sex is just an activity.
Sex is an activity that causes emotional bonding between people. Like any activity, the more you do it, the less potent the bonding effect becomes. This is less of an issue for men because it's much easier for guys to compartmentalize having sex and developing feelings but it absolutely ruins women. Women who have had more sex partners are without exception more likely to end a relationship and move on.

>>18532221

>most people these days view sex as nothing more than a handshake

It's possible to have different types of sex. Personally I see sex done to satisfy myself and connect with a partner as completely different from the Other Types of Sex (to bond with someone you don't love, to tell a fun story about the experience later, to get money) and I would still be a virgin at 27 if I had never had the Other Types of Sex, since my first 4 year relationship ended before we ever had sex, so I decided "fuck it, I could be waiting another four years, let's see what this other type of sex is like."

Also, entire relationships have been ruined by a discovery that the two parties were not sexually compatible. Best to find out early on if you are or not, or it's a waste of both people's time. Why spend 2 years dating and getting to know someone, then having sex and realising "holy shit, this will never satisfy me. I've wasted all this time." Plus then you have already lost your virginity anyway, meaning that you won't be a virgin when you meet another person who is a better fit. So why waste time?

>>18532150
>Wanting to date a virgin
Unless she is banging hot I'd rather not date a virgin. Have you ever had a bad blowjob? Well a girl who has never had sex will sure as shit not be giving a good one. I like my women to have experience so that the sex we have can be fantastic. Yeah she's fucked other guys? So? I've fucked other girls. Life is too fucking short to be wrapped up in this bullshit.

>>18532230
I think you're assuming that men and women experience sex in the exact same way, when that is not true

Let me ask you, why is it that the phenomenon of the "thousand-cock stare" exists? How come there is no equivalent for men?

Could it be, that MAYBE, just MAYBE, in your thick egalitarian brainwashed mind of yours, that sex is different for men and women?

>>18532236
>Sex is an activity that causes emotional bonding between people.

Then your "handshake" remark above is wrong. How is it possible for people to bond so deeply and still treat sex like it's nothing?

I think you are projecting your values unto others and using half understood science to defend yourself.

>>18532150
Why does it matter ?

>>18532258
that wasn't him, it was me the OP

>>18532257

So all men always have love in their eyes?

>>18532262
I suppose if you're not getting married, it doesn't matter

>>18532270

Sorry, but he talked about the diminishing returns just like you did above. Easy mistake to make.

Do you agree with him, though?

>>18532150
This kills me. I'm pretty sucessful overall but just the idea of being with a non virgin makes me sick. Distracting myself with productive activities definitely helps but I sometimes still cry at night. If I can't have a slow relationship with another virgin I'll just be celibate.

>>18532275
>being with a non virgin makes me sick.

Why?

>>18532271
no, when did I say that?

Tell me I'm wrong, but more often than not, when you fuck a girl twice, she falls in love with you

Meanwhile guys can run around sticking their dicks in everything and not batting an eye

In my opinion, sex is inherently more intimate for women, by the nature of sex itself (hint: the dick penetrating the vagina)

>Let me ask you, why is it that the phenomenon of the "thousand-cock stare" exists? How come there is no equivalent for men?

You just made up some weird term that no one has ever heard of before and are expecting us to take it for granted that it is A Thing.

Also, this thread is about people who have had a couple of relationships and hook-ups in the past, not international porn stars who have fucked hundreds. I'm sure THAT degree of promiscuity can colour your perspective (and it does for men as well, it's known as "he's fucking inattentive and arrogant as he's unable to form a connection with anyone"), but it's not at issue. Most people in their mid-twenties (I assume this is OP) have had around 2-8 sexual partners. If you doubt this because "hurr its self reported so inaccurate", then note that there is even less empirical evidence for the reverse.

>>18532276
Because I'm really slow when it comes to relationships so the thought that she'd do something so intimate with anyone she's not going to marry is just sickening. I genuinely cannot stand the thought and anything else is preferable.

>>18532274
Yes. I think of it like a vase vs a hose. Women are like vases, they can only hold so much before they start to fall over. Whereas men want to spread their hosewater all over the garden so they can have nice flowers everywhere. Two different sexual strategies, for two different biological genders

>>18532280

Oh, ok, it took it the other way around. Sorry. So only women get attached during sex, that's you position.

I see you have never had sex yet. Look over to the "I feel in love with a hooker" thread. I know there's one because there always is one. I know two different guys that think their regular hooker loves them.

Sorry, but you current position just doesn't hold up. Some men do get attached too. Some don't. Same with women.

>>18532281
I was trying to make a point you cuck. You have yet to prove that sex is exactly the same for men and women, when its not

Protip: A woman's body physically changes after the first time she's had sex. A man's does not. Is it still not getting through to you?

>>18532283
>Two different sexual strategies, for two different biological genders

Too bad we humans can do more than just act on instinct. Also, look for my comment about men loving hookers. Men get attached too.

>>18532256
>Have you ever had a bad blowjob? Well a girl who has never had sex will sure as shit not be giving a good one
I don't believe this argument holds up. Any one can learn sexual techniques in a fairly short amount of time. It's not like giving blowjobs is some special skill only savants have. I'd much rather have someone who hasn't abused their ability to pairbond then to have a sexual monster who up and leaves the moment she starts to get bored, or has all types of issues from being jacked around by N number of guys, not to mention possible STDs, lingering feelings, abortion guilt and whatever else is in the pandora's box that is "sexually liberated" women.

>>18532280
>In my opinion, sex is inherently more intimate for women, by the nature of sex itself (hint: the dick penetrating the vagina)

Sex is more intimate when it's a type of sex the person puts a lot of emotional value in. For a lot of women, yes this includes vaginal penetration, as it takes a lot of trust to let someone do this ultimately overrated-for-the-woman (more likely to cause an STD, can cause the worst experience on earth {pregnancy and childbirth}, painful at first, takes a lot of effort to make it pleasurable and most don't know how).

However, if you don't care about vaginal penetration emotionally for one reason or another (find another act more intimate, associate with business or a chore) then it's easy to do it no-strings. I would rather do vag penetration with someone I don't care about than someone I do, because I see it as almost anti-intimate (being the ultimate expression of someone not caring about me and only my body), and have since the time of being a virgin.

>>18532286
I have had sex.

>hooker

Lmao, you think they were born hookers?

Do you realize how much sex and degradation it took to be so jaded to the point that you would freely have sex with anything that offers you a couple hundred dollars?

I never said "only women get attached during sex", but when it comes to the first few times, its definitely more intimate for the woman than it is for the man.

yes men get attached, but they are also a lot better at not getting attached as well

>>18532282

Sex is not objectively intimate. You have to realize that. For some people it's not a big deal.

I'm not saying you have to marry someone that sleeps around, just saying that feeling sick is an overreaction. And having sex once is not such a big deal, dude.

>>18532298
>Sex is not objectively intimate. You have to realize that. For some people it's not a big deal.
>penetrating/being penetrated by someone's naked and exposed body is not objectively intimate

You're a special kind of idiot.

Stop ruining women for me.

>>18532297
>but when it comes to the first few times, its definitely more intimate for the woman than it is for the man.

Really? Have you ever met a man?

>yes men get attached, but they are also a lot better at not getting attached as well

Yeah, that's why stalkers are mostly female.

Do you have some kind of support for your argument? Just some common sense thing would be enough to start. Right now you are just making baseless declarations.

>>18532290
>Protip: A woman's body physically changes after the first time she's had sex. A man's does not. Is it still not getting through to you?

It's not necessary for it to do so at all, the hymen can be stretched. It can also be broken without having sex.

If you want to have sex with a virgin, then do so, but the main actual objective benefit is going to be that they are retarded about sex and might actually take what you have to say at face value.

>>18532298
It is not an overreaction, it is a biological instinct.

Why? Because men don't want to raise children that aren't theres. Why? Because that does not ensure ones reproductive survival, which is arguably- the purpose of life. but do tell me more about how being completely naked with someone and embracing another person literal genitals to the face is not intimate.

>>18532298
It really makes no difference what you say. I'd prefer to get the shit beaten out of me than have sex with a hot girl I don't know. I can't express how much it makes me want to vomit. And I've felt this way for years, some stranger online certainly isn't changing my mind.

>>18532303
>You're a special kind of idiot.

Sorry if some people in the world don't share your world view, but I didn't say anything false. For some people, it's not a big deal. Don't project your values unto the whole human race. People are different.

>>18532308
>but do tell me more about how being completely naked with someone and embracing another person literal genitals to the face is not intimate.

Hookers.

>some stranger online certainly isn't changing my mind.

I know. Maybe when you see enough strangers you might change, but I don't believe I'm so powerful. I'm just pointing out your attitude is silly, because you can't project your values on everyone else. That's what assholes do.

>>18532297
>Do you realize how much sex and degradation it took to be so jaded to the point that you would freely have sex with anything that offers you a couple hundred dollars?

I lost my virginity to someone who paid me for sex (and no, I wasn't a child prostitute, I was 24).

All my life I had read posts like yours, explaining that men can have vaginal sex no strings and that the fact a man has vaginal sex doesn't mean he cares about you. So why would I ever see vaginal sex as intimate, even before it happened? I had already heard from the horse's mouth hundreds of times that it's a filthy act that devalues you and that it means nothing to a man when he does it to you.

Why not get a head start and monetise right away?

You probably won't believe me lol. Doesn't make it any less true.

>>18532311
>>18532317
>>18532308

Sorry, forgot to add the other Anon. The post if for two different people.

>>18532294
Theory to application is usually the difficult part. It's whatever, though. Enjoy your virgins, I guess. Contrary to popular belief women who enjoy sex are not unfaithful std ridden sex machines.

>>18532317
I'm not the guy pushing his values. I just want to meet a girl I like who's also a virgin. As long as I have that I don't care what others do.

>I'd prefer to get the shit beaten out of me than have sex with a hot girl I don't know. I can't express how much it makes me want to vomit. And I've felt this way for years, some stranger online certainly isn't changing my mind.

What do your feelings have to do with the other billions of people on the planet? Many people feel the same way as you, many do not. The whole point of the word "inherently" is that it applies to every instance of the thing. I'm happy for you that you're a tumblr demisexual, but not everyone is.

>>18532332

I know, I made a note later about that.

Still, you are on a board for advice and you are not asking for advice. What is your goal? Finding a virgin? Awesome! Go do that. No need to act all holier-than-though online.

I realize this is most likely bait, but I believe many people have this "issue" or a similar one, so

This is the kind of shit that happens when you romanticize sex and relationships. What makes you think your relationship, the girl you date, the sex or whatever have to be special? What does "special" even mean here?

I get it, I really do. A "perfect" relationship is one where you experience the first everything with your partner. That's what the stories we tell each other say and to some extent it's true. The more novel an experience is the more enjoyable, or at least memorable it is.

But this perfection is only an illusion. It doesn't exist, it never goes like that in the real world. Even if you find someone you can experience your first everything with there will be other issues. Lots and lots of issues. If there weren't everyone would stay together with their first love. Creating a strong idea of perfection then looking for it in the real world is absurd, even though most people do it.

How much you enjoy something is determined by how well that something will match your expectation. In this society the words to live by are "Try your best, but expect nothing". Personally I think that's stupid, I'd rather "try nothing and expect nothing", but that's besides the point. Your issue is that you're expecting everything before even trying anything. If you're going to have expectations then you have to try. A lot. Otherwise you're just going to be miserable. So you either stop fantasizing about your pure waifu girlfriend or you go out there and find her. 99% of women had sex with other men? Well that means that one in one hundred didn't. And one in one thousand may be appealing to you. So either go and find her or forget about her. Either way stop bitching about how things aren't to your liking. If the world isn't to your liking it's not the world that's wrong, it's you.

>>18532336
I don't think I'm better, I've gone to a therapist. In fact I shouldn't even be on here. I did out of boredom but I'm already starting to get anxiety. My obsessive attitude makes me look too much into these things.

>>18532342

Good luck Anon. Good luck.

In all seriousness OP, try dating religious women.

Other virgins can be a crapshoot because they might be a virgin for reasons having nothing to do with being sexually conservative. Almost everyone who cares about women's virginity is sexually conservative so I assume you do care about it.

>>18532337

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>>18532350
shit tagged wrong post hahahaha meant that to the chick you're talking to

>>18532313
But you did say something false, and you didn't even stand behind it. You said it's not objectively intimate, I called you an idiot and now you're backing up your original statement by emphasizing the subjectivity of the activity. If anything you supported my argument though you obviously don't agree with my stance.

>>18532356

So, the "activity" is intimate, but people can think it's not? Then what does it mean to say it's "intimate"?

You are using your own values as objective. They are not. Sex, the activity, is not intimate by itself. It's intimate for you and for other people, but the activity carries no intimacy by itself.

>>18532337
I'm all for putting work into a relationship to make it special

but I'd rather put the work in to someone whos proven to be worth it. Hence why past behavior is a good indication of future behavior, not entirely, but GENERALLY

>>18532373
>but I'd rather put the work in to someone whos proven to be worth it.

Why does having sex disqualify you, though? And why does being a virgin mean she is worth it?

>>18532319
you're obviously weird as fuck. who care about what you heard here and there, doesn't it matter how you feel during the act??

and whats all this obsession with vaginal sex? sex is sex, if you've sucked other dudes dicks does that mean you love them more?

>>18532376
because it means she had enough self respect to not put out for someone that's not in a committed relationship with her.

>>18532389

And if she wasn't committed either? If they were just fooling around?

>>18532391
then she is used goods, and she more than likely got pump-and-dumped and is now jaded and carrying baggage

if she was one of the few girls who had sex just for the sake of having sex then all the power to her. at least that I can respect. but the usual story is

>date guy, want to be his gf
>have sex with guy so that he will stay around
>he doesn't, he fucks her and dips
>girl now has baggage

>>18532373
I told you to put effort into finding someone who meets your expectations, not into sustaining a relationship with someone you don't really like.

Putting effort into a relationship that doesn't make you happy is the dumbest thing you can do.

>>18532389
Who says that just because she had sex, it wasn't within a committed relationship?

>>18532400
>f she was one of the few girls who had sex just for the sake of having sex then all the power to her. at least that I can respect. but the usual story is

So, the problem is that you ASSUME who she is before knowing her just because you know she had sex.

That's not a very rational move.

>>18532405

Dude assumes all girls want it to last forever and only men are capable of walking away. So in his mind, any girl that has had sex is still hung up on the dude. He doesn't understand how individuals have personalities.

>>18532406
>>18532405
you are asking me a bunch of hypotheticals. I am telling you what I have personally experienced

like I said, if the girl was in a loving committed relationship with the expectation of a long term and she had sex its not so bad

if she had sex because she likes sex, its not so bad, but definitely a red flag

but the USUAL case is she got pumped and dumped by a Chad and now I'm the one that has to deal with her and her baggage because she couldn't be arsed to not put out until she was in a actual relationship. these type of girls would be so much better off as virgins.

>>18532150
Women who have been around the block a few times have the knowledge, skills, and abilities to give you intense pleasure during your lovemaking sessions. Virgins lack this experience and thus provide less stimulation in coitus. A woman who has been dominated, defiled, and jizzed on by several other men can strap you down to the bed and give you a night that you'll still be dreaming about sixty years from now when you're a doddering old man in a nursing home. She can do things to you that you have never imagined, and your body and what's left of your mind will react in ways you didn't know could happen. A virgin can do nothing of the sort: she's more likely to lie there like a dead fish.
Don't take my word for it: go out and find a one night stand with a woman who has been dominated, defiled, and jizzed on by several other men. Let her do unto you, and compare it to the sexual experiences that you have had with virgins. Take the challenge, anon, and test for yourself.

>>18532413
>but the USUAL case is...

When did you join this conversation? I've lost track, as at least three people have been replying to me. Are you OP?

>>18532415
this is the most cuck argument and I'm tired of hearing it.

First of all, I've had sex with "women who've been around" and there are plenty of them who are just as bad as virgins during sex.

Secondly, why would you want some other dudes to train your girl? Why don't you want to get off your ass and be the one the teach your girl to "do things that you have never imagined"? You're a lazy cuck. Go marry a pornstar if you love experienced women so much. better yet a coke addicted stripper, im sure she can give you the best time imaginable (and crabs for dessert)

>>18532385

I have never wanted to do it, knew I wouldn't like it. Asked the guy I lost it to (who I ended up visa marrying and then leaving after about a year) to prove me wrong and he couldn't. Neither did the only other person I tried it with.

I normally have to be convinced to have vaginal or anal with myself receiving. "What's in it for me?" as it won't be intimacy of any kind. Oral sex can either be a chore or an act of love, completely depends on the person. Other things are reserved only for people I love or are at least intensely infatuated with

I am weird as fuck, but you have to realise every single person raised in our culture absorbs messages about sex and what it means, and it impacts how they feel about it when they actually have it. They do not have to have sex a single time to get an attitude to sex that is fucked up.

>>18532423
>Why don't you want to get off your ass and be the one the teach your girl to "do things that you have never imagined"?

This is a literal contradiction in terms, how can you train someone to do something you don't even know existed? The point is they can surprise you and you can learn from them.

You might be surprised to learn it's a fun experience if your idea of great sex is telling someone to do the same few pedestrian acts in a certain way.

>>18532423
Women aren't fragile snowflakes that melt when the first man touches them, anon, and they don't contract any sort of miasma simply from enjoying the pleasures that nature has granted us as human beings. Besides, you would learn pottery from an experienced potter, carpentry from someone who knew woodworking, so why not learn more about your body and what beautiful things two people can do together from someone who has already done them, and pass that knowledge on to others? Civilizations are built through sharing, not isolation.

>>18532150
I've been writing my own similar story for the past 40 minutes, permission to post ?

>>18532436

Read thread, that's the advice you'll get.

>>18532431
Western civilization is advanced because of monogamous families. Nor sharing women in the village huts like africa

>>18532438
But im not a faggot teenager though with disillusionment of stupid ideals of freak in the sheets, lady in the streets

>>18532446

The thread is not about that. The thread is about how sex doesn't make people bad, so caring so much about virginity is dumb.

Sleeping with a virgin is not as incredible and awesome as it is hyped up to be. Sure, there is the realization that you are the first and only guy that has been with her, but it does little if anything to make the experience any better.

Personally, my best sexual partners have been girls with more experience; I like a girl who is comfortable with her sexuality and knows what she wants in bed. Being with a girl who jhas never been with anyone or one that only has once or twice can be an incredibly frustrating guessing game as neither you or even her knows what she wants, meaning you will likely dissapoint her, and she will probably equally dissapoint you when it is all over.

>>18532455

OP and the others don't care for pleasure. They want the girl to imprint on them. They don't want to risk her leaving.

>>18532190
gross.

First, date two or more women simultaneously...seriously men have been polygamous since forever, this monogamy c**p isn't helping anybody. People are going gay left and right. It will really make you feel better. Don't be afraid to hurt them by telling them that you are seeing another woman. Let them fight it out over you. If you think you are not good looking enough, what are you waiting for? Get heck over to the gym.

Second, find yourself somebody with a similar background, belief and experience base (possibly a virgin). The most beautiful thing a woman has to offer is her innocence. That naive, foolish luster in her eyes. Her blind trust in you. The desire to ride off into the sunset just to be forever with you. This is why most women react with such aggression when asked the question, "How many men have gone through them in the past". They instantly realize that, naive love that once was is no more. There are walls around them to keep them "safe". She now has baggage. She realizes, she gave up her most prized possession chasing after stupidity or being tricked by people. That sparkle has forever left them and for all the wrong reasons. She is second best. Tell her this and let it frustrate her, a relationship is a two way street. Don't offend her. Remember you are frustrated because she has been very crafty, in letting you know that you are competing against a dozen men to please her (all the while making you think you had to force this out of her). Do the same, tell her what a virgin has to offer, remind her how she offered it to the wrong person. This will do two things, first, it will ease some of the pressure you have built up in your mind. Secondly, it will make her realize that she is not the only one who is willing to ride that d**k.

>>18532455
no one said virgins are incredible and awesome in bed, that is clearly not why OP is interested in them

OP there are plenty of virgin women that you would never attract because you are an annoying sperg.

Also the naivety of assuming people didn't fuck like rabbits in the past, same as today, is unbelievable

>>18532507
most women got married and locked down once they hit puberty, so no they didnt run around fucking like rabbits, though of course some did.

>>18532517
lol so wait a second, the fact that they got married between 13-18 and immediately started fucking is somehow more pure than the hookup culture of today?
I'm a virgin but you're an idiot.

>>18532523
woah woah woah, what in the fuck nigger are you talking about?

>>18532156
Except thats wrong, you retard. Virginity is and always has been a virtue (for women)

Studies have shown that the more sexual partners a woman has had, the less likely she is to describe her marriage as happy.

Sex is a union. Men will often say that they’ve watched so much porn, masturbated so often, and had so many partners that sex has become stale, but this becomes reality far more quickly for women who live that lifestyle, because sex for a woman is much more personal by design of her anatomy. The more men a woman has united with, the less the next union will mean. Men can slip into a marriage with his past being of little consequence, but unfortunately for women, nature is not an equal opportunity employer.

Even if a woman decides she does not want a stable, committed relationship, in a few short years she will be too old to get more than a meaningless one night stand from a desperate man, and in a few more years she’ll struggle to get even that. Again, the fathers knew best when they tried to marry their daughters off at a young age.

Not only is the fornicated woman less able to bond with her future husband emotionally, but her lady parts are also further changed with each sexual encounter, being stretched out so that there is not the same kind of intimate contact she would have if she had only been with one man ever.

Both men and women innately understand the great value of a virgin. Men frankly prefer to commit to women without an illustrious sexual past. Yes, some men will still commit to a woman with a lot of experience, but they never prefer it. By keeping her virginity, not only does she has a wider pool of men to choose from but also greater influence. She is more valuable and so can demand that her suitors increase their own value.

You can find a very religious girl who cares about saving her virginity for her husband, they are out there

>>18532540
What if I'm not religious

>>18532545
Then you're just another pathetic incel who wants to ruin a virgin girl's life

>>18532465
This. The desire for virgins arises from insecurity. Men who are secure in their masculinity don't feel threatened by the ghost of a previous boyfriend.

>>18532539
>the less likely she is to describe her marriage as happy.

Yeah, it's like having experience instead of marrying the first dude that fucks her makes them expect more out of marriage. Weird.

As I said like three times above, men fall in love with hookers. We all want companionship and our culture places a lot of importance on sex. Let's not pretend only women care about it.

And as I said above, you and the other guys want a woman to imprint on you so she doesn't leave you. You are scared of the competition. Good luck living life like that.

>>18532551
>you're just insecure!

Feminist detected.

>>18532553
So if your gf fantasizes about the sex she's had with previous lovers, that doesn't bother you in the slightest?

>>18532517
>married and locked down
Holy shit, dude, do you think that's what happened? Read up on Julia, daughter of the emperor Augustus. Read up on Theodora, wife of the emperor Justinian (and former prostitute and pornographic actress). Read pretty much any literature from France ever. Marriage never ended fucking around. Marriage defined property rights and titles and little more, but people have fucked around since the dawn of time, and no little gold ring or ceremony ever stopped anyone.

>>18532561
>So if your gf fantasizes about the sex she's had with previous lovers, that doesn't bother you in the slightest?

Yes it would, because it would mean I don't satisfy her. It would also mean she doesn't trust me enough to tell me what she wants in bed.

Now let me ask you a question: Why do you assume she will fantasize about the other dude? Do you just not believe you can satisfy her at all?

>>18532567
No, but how can you know whats going through a girls head? If shes veen around, chances are shes experienced the best of the best already

>>18532599
>chances are shes experienced the best of the best already

Why? I mean, really, why do you assume she HAS to have had better. You don't know that. Maybe they all have been worse than you. Or at least roughly as good. and yeah, maybe she had better, I'm not discounting it. I'm just saying there's no certainty.

Also, I'm sure I'm not the best for her right away, but if we are in a healthy relationship I can become that. I can learn what she likes and what she wants. Same way I request what I want in bed. If she leaves me just because I'm not her best fuck after two dates, then it wasn't a good match to begin with.

>>18532606
Youre still being thrown in to the realm of being compared to others, whether its their looks, performance in bed, dick size etc

Thats just not somewhere i want to be. Even if i am the """""best""""". Id rather be alone in all honesty than have to think about that in a relationship

>>18532619

That's insecurity dude. You are literally saying you don't want to risk comparison.

>>18532190
>not only that, but recent studies have shown that prior men's DNA actually becomes encased inside women, and accumulates in their brains/spines, and actually gets passed on to their children

that still only counts for fruitflies, so unless you intend on fucking a fly, forget about

other than that, don't expect to find a girl who values her virginity to give it to you when you've been around already. those who value their own usually also want their partner to still have theirs

>>18532624
Yea, who would want to?

If its just a hookup, i dont give a shit

But being in a ltr, or marriage with someone who could fantasize about past men when youre with her? That does not sound like my cup of tea

>>18532633
>But being in a ltr, or marriage with someone who could fantasize about past men when youre with her?

Again assuming she'll keep fantasizing about other dudes.

You want some girl that has no frame of reference. You want to be her only so she never thinks she can do better than you.

I know I'm not the best at everything. But I also know people like me despite that. Because I'm good at stuff. If you can only live with yourself when you literally have no competition, then you are insecure. And that's not a healthy or realistic way to live.

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not just other guys , but loads of guys .
my 1st wife fucked 40 + guys b4 I found out.
second wife had over 200 b4 we met.
I just want to die, but I cant.

>>18532633
If a girl fantasizes about her exes, that's on her. And I imagine that any girl who's broken up with a previous guy would have had enough drama involving them to prevent them from fantasizing about said exes.

>>18532647
This guy is right. If a girl is into you, she will be into you, and want you. She chose you, so you must thereby have value to her. If she can't get over her ex, that's on her shoulders.

But you getting anxious about the fact that other guys were ever in the picture at all probably stems from you not feeling confident in yourself. This is something that is on you, and that you need to address. You lack self-confidence and you are also lacking in trust. Trust is absolutely vital to a relationship, and if you can't or won't trust from the get-go, then that is not a relationship that will work. And if the reason you can't trust is because you lack faith in yourself, that problem will carry over into every relationship you have and sabotage it.

>>18532633
>this level of insecurity
>just full-on admitting it
have you tried killing yourself? I mean, every human being you encounter is going to compare you to people they've interacted with before.
get a job? fuck no your employer will compare you to past employees
cook food? why bother other people have done it before and probably much better than you
wear clothes? that shirt was designed for someone who will wear it better than you ever will
gotta cut your skin off and pull your teeth out, can you imagine everyone just LOOKING at you, just seeing how ugly your epidermis is on you, fantasizing about how much better skin looked on everyone else.

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Okay, so as a guy who sucks at talking to women I just need accept the fact that most women that I get attracted have had sex, right ?

I admit that it's my own fault for not being confident nor social to get laid when I was a teenager.

So all I should do is deal with it, never get into a serious relationship and ignore women's sexual pasts, right ?

>>18532706
I mean there are still virgins but yes depending on your age it is less and less likely

>>18532650
We would you advise me or any other guy here to get married in this day and age ?

I honestly accept the fact that the perfect partner/the one doesn't exist.

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>>18532150
Back to your containment board. /r9k/

>>18532706
>So all I should do is deal with it, never get into a serious relationship and ignore women's sexual pasts, right ?
have you considered maturing as a person?

>>18532726
Yeah, the sluts sure are the most mature people in this world, fucking retard.

>>18532733
>sluts
>anyone with a sexual past
lol you're pathetic

>>18532726
Let's be serious about this.

You're not even answering the question.

How's being mature going to help with the fact that I fucked up my chances (not on purpose) with cute girls when I was younger ?

How's being mature going to help when the vast majority of women my age have had plenty of sex partners ?

Tch, give me a break......

>>18532745
IT wont

You have to find someone with the same level of experience as you.

>>18532745
>How's being mature going to help with the fact that I fucked up my chances (not on purpose) with cute girls when I was younger ?
>How's being mature going to help when the vast majority of women my age have had plenty of sex partners ?
it will help you realize that nobody gives a fuck. And that by giving a fuck, you have entered a very exclusive club of out of touch losers who have trapped themselves in a nightmare world reinforced with paranoia and self-loathing

>>18532150
Because im not an immature virgin who whacks it to porn while stalking and judging the sexual lives of people ill never have a chance getting laid with.

>>18532754
>>18532758
so, in essence, the past is the past?

>>18532190
Lol goddamn your faggotry levels are high. I really do hope whatever chick you get loses that shit behind your back.

Have you ever noticed that the women who discourage conventional sexual temperance are the most promiscuous themselves? Women always encourage other women to make the same sexual choices as them, whether it is to have more sex or to have less. These whores have made an irrevocable choice, and now they try to drag others down with them so they can avoid feeling regret. Feminists demand that a career should be empowering because they have relinquished all the power they already had. Likewise, a sexually temperate women will not encourage licentiousness.

Telling a woman to save sex for marriage is the same as telling her not to get a tattoo. In the old days, this advice was common knowledge, but now it’s a regular and permanent choice, like a rite of passage. Regret is one of the most averted emotions, and people will do anything to avoid admitting they screwed up. People would rather double down on a bad mistake than admit they’ve cut their own legs off.

>>18532754
This, why not look for someone that makes you happy and will love you for you before throwing up expectations of purity that would be met with awkward stares and laugher if uttered out loud?

>>18532772
I dont think anyone ITT would express these feeling IRL to the people they're dating. That's what 4chan is for

>>18532767
>calls others faggots
>licks the vaginas that have had other mens cum inside

lmao

>>18532772
Because he's a virgin faggot who thinks sex means you're going go be together forever. So in his mind sex is the end all be all.

>>18532785
I don't eat vagina faggot. Try again. I know you're a little bitch and all but try harder man

>>18532764
Her past is her past. Just as yours and the decisions you made without her in mind is your past. If you cant handle the fact shes enjoyed herself sexually then thats your problem.... id suggest either find someone that fits your criteria or councelling of some kind.

goodluck. I think you just need to change your beliefs and views.

>>18532794
>everyone should be a sexually "liberated" degenerate

no thanks

>>18532788

See>>18532539

>Sex is a union. Men will often say that they’ve watched so much porn, masturbated so often, and had so many partners that sex has become stale, but this becomes reality far more quickly for women who live that lifestyle, because sex for a woman is much more personal by design of her anatomy. The more men a woman has united with, the less the next union will mean. Men can slip into a marriage with his past being of little consequence, but unfortunately for women, nature is not an equal opportunity employer.

>tfw you want a girl who is "pure" so you can defile her
>has sex
>breaks up
>shitposts later on why there are no more pure girls out there

The cycle of life

Wtf are those imagines
A girl had a boyfriend, shit didnt work out for whatever reason, so what

If, when you see a girl, all you can think of other men's cocks and cum... I have news for you about your sexual orientation.

>>18532771
>Have you ever noticed that the women who discourage conventional sexual temperance are the most promiscuous themselves? Women always encourage other women to make the same sexual choices as them, whether it is to have more sex or to have less. These whores have made an irrevocable choice, and now they try to drag others down with them so they can avoid feeling regret.

Holy fuck this. My friend's long-time gf of like 4 or 5 years at least dumped him to fuck some dude she worked with. It comes up frequently, but he brought up her friend, who's a whore, and how he thinks she influenced her behavior.

This girl who was her friend, has like 3 kids from 3 different dads and has already been married and divorced, and she's probably barely 21. She's a notorious whore in our town and I was telling him this exact thing; Whores want to make other women feel as miserable as they are. They encourage their friends to act like whores like them, not because it's fun, but because it brings them down to their level.

It's the same psychology I've observed in drug addicts; they'll introduce people to heroin, meth, or crack when they are addicted themselves. They subconsciously want to not feel alone in their lifestyles.

>>18532190
>When a woman has sex for the first time, oxytocin is released, which is the bonding hormone that allows women to feel attached to their partner/baby.
Same happens to men.

>when a woman gets pump and dumped, she becomes jaded and she feels less oxytocin, thus her ability to pair bond diminishes.
Not true.

>recent studies have shown that prior men's DNA actually becomes encased inside women
It happens in flies. Unless you want to fuck flies, you're good to go.

> How can you be happy knowing you will never be her first?
Because you see women as people and not as things to conquer. Try that.

If you want a virgin girl go looking for her. Honestly why did you even make this thread if you're just looking to complain about "muh roasties"

>>18532539
>her lady parts are also further changed with each sexual encounter, being stretched out so that there is not the same kind of intimate contact she would have if she had only been with one man ever.
I had sex just with one man. I lost my virginity to him in June 2008 and had sex with him nearly every day since. I surely fucked more than any of my friends who prefer having casual sex, even just for a matter of opportunity.
I don't see how my pussy would be less stretched out from the 3000 times I've fucked than my friend's pussy from the 300 times with 10 different guys.

>>18532150
I'm sick of seeing threads like this 24/7 on /adv/. /r9k/ needs to stay in /r9k/. You do realize that if you find a virgin you're gonna fuck her, not marry her and move on and complain again that you can't find any other virgins. Like are you fucking retarded? Why do you care so much about a girl you're just gonna fuck a few times until you find someone better? You said you want to date a virgin but are you gonna leave her a virgin like how you found her? No? Well then fuck off.

I hang out with some black people and they are NEVER like that
They just dance and fuck whoever they want and dont care at all
This is what I admire about them, no stuck up stupid bullshit like "she has to be a virgin"
I had like 60 women in my life, why would I except her to be a virgin, it is boring for both

>>18533537
And blacks also have the highest instance of stds for any race lol

>>18533534

My man.

>>18533534
It was a mistake to put in the /r9k/ sticky "go to /adv/". They keep flooding here.

>>18532214
>You have already made up your mind, right?
>I can't come up with a persuasive and effective counter response so I will accuse you of being rigid.

nice try normo

It's one thing to say that there's an impass in the discussion. It's another thing to use the language that you use to suggest your opponent is bigoted.

>>18532230
>Right now. most people that actually reply are already on edge thanks to your opening statement.

Fuckoff back to tumblr. He really wasn't even being confrontational. Even if he was, you need to fuckoff back to wherever you came from. People are confrontational on this site. People won't spare your feelings. Get over it or leave.

You wouldn't happen to be a woman, would you? I don't see how using the phrase "dominated, defiled, and jizzed on" would trigger or come off as confrontational to anyone but a woman who's been dominated, defiled, and jizzed on.

>>18532280
>Tell me I'm wrong, but more often than not, when you fuck a girl twice, she falls in love with you

Chad? Is that you? How come no one ever told me it was that easy?

>>18533760
Fuck off back to /r9k/. This board is for people who want to improve, not those like you who want a circlejerk of wallowing in self-pity.

>>18532319
>I'm a prostitute

Opinion discarded.

1% is still tens of millions worldwide.
Plenty to browse in.

And in reality it's much more than 1%, you just pulled than out of your ass.
If you're not willing to go the lengths it takes to get the 1%, then you don't deserve the 1%, plain and simple.
So make up your mind.

Either way, good luck.

>>18533786
>I don't have an argument and I'm a retard.

NICE

>>18532200
>A person isn't an object that loses value when it's being used.

Quit with your faggy language.

>A material thing that can be seen and touched.

People are objects. People have value that varies throughout their life. Welcome to the real world.

>>18533793
Why so angry? What do you want advice on? How to stop being a bitter virgin manchild? The first step is stop going on /r9k/. Then, you need to want it, yourself.

>>18532226
>It is about the mental connection which, among many many many other things, changes the entire experience of sex.

And I'm supposed to feel a mental connection with someone that's been "plowed by a stranger when [...] drunk".

Maybe we just have to agree to disagree, because it seems we have an entirely different perspective on the world an value different things.

>>18533801
Go back to /r9k/ then, you fucking useless virgin. Change your attitude when it comes to women and maybe you'll lose your virginity, small-dicked faggot.

>>18532362
>>18532356
Intimacy itself is subjective. You guys are both idiots.

>>18532317
>That's what assholes do.

Unless you're the one doing the projecting. Then it's liberal and spreading tolerance.

>>18533808
I think it's pretty obvious you are underaged.

>>18533824
>>>/r9k/

>>18532745
> I fucked up my chances
> (not on purpose)

That doesn't even make sense. I think what you mean to say, is that girls ignored you when you were younger. Now you feel a little put off realizing that any(99%+) girl you might consider getting involved with, would have ignored you when you were younger, choosing instead to fuck other guys.

>How's being mature going to help

The mature thing to do is to realize that you can't change your situation and to suck it up. That's being an adult. Imagine having some sort of deformity. There are a lot worse immutable problems you could have.
The immature thing to do is to lie to yourself and parrot all of the bluepill beta lib bullshit about women's past being irrelevant #noslutshaming etc.

>>18533537
>he admires black people

That's pretty telling. Holy shit. Please stop posting.

>>18533808
This post is just overflowing with the smell of virginity.

>>18532771
Fuck.. this is true. A stripper told me I shouldn't care about who I sleep with so I had casual sex and I regret it. I felt used and disgusting. I'm not a slut shamer, but I wish I wasn't shamed into acting like a slut.

>>18532767
Nice LARping cuck. Go lick some male juice from some ho's pucci.