AOGA

Girls, would you care if your man drank only sweet, fancy drinks, considered to be designed for females?

>>18507383
Not at all. That's a weird insecurity to have.

>>18507415
i'm not insecure. Just asking, mostly out of boredom

Girls,

I can't tell if I'm good looking or not, I look different to myself than I do to others and I wouldn't call myself objectively handsome, but I was told by a girl I dated that I'm good looking, I didn't want to believe her, I genuinely think I'm a 4/10 on a good day and she was like a 7/10 so I think she only said it to make me feel better. Generally girls seem to like me, not really sure why, but because of my insecurities about my looks I can't bring myself to ask a girl out (first girl was on tinder so it was easier) because I feel like they'll just reject me the second they look at me.

I guess my question is if looks are really important to girls on first impressions?
I think I'm a pleasant person to have around and I'm likable, but to me it seems like I'm passable as a friend but not really a dating/boyfriend material, like people like me were born to be alone

is tinder purely for desperate people with mental problems, or can I try looking for somebody cool there?

>>18507378
Women are really fucking annoying. Always have to make a mountain out of a molehill and you can't debate them, it has to be their way or else you're evil. Will converting to Islam immunize me from the female Jew?

>>18507557
nah, only spending immense amounts of time on /pol/ can do that
go there

Since the /soc/ tinder thread is pretty slow/shit in general, I'll ask girls here:

My tinder profile has a picture of me doing a breakdance/parkour move (basically my right hand is on a bedstand, elbow propped on my knee and that's supporting my entire body) to show off one of my hobbies/athleticism. Do girls find pictures like this cool or just douchey? Some close female friends said the latter, but I get a decent amount of matches and have made a couple fuck buddies so I dunno if they're just a minority.

>>18507531
you can try to find cool people on there, I've been on some fun dates.

>>18507557
Jesus Christ. I know you're not actually looking for advice but I'm Muslim and most Jewish girls I've met get turned on by that as some sort of "forbidden love" or something. Just chill on /r9k/ some more and I'm sure girls will stop talking to you.

>>18507576
>I've been on some fun dates.
I mean somebody actually intelligent and just interested in spending some fun time together, not necesserily fucking me or eating for my cash.
is that what you mean by a fun date?

>>18507576
I'm tired of women in the workplace and the bullshit I have to put up with. There's always feminists who have to turn everything into their little political crusade against le evil white man.

I'm wondering if being a Muslim will immunize me to feminism, I don't care if Jewish women flirt with me.

>>18507581
Yea, my last date for example insisted on paying for my lunch (which was fucking cool, never had a girl do that before) and we just went rowing for a couple hours in the sun. It was fun, the conversation wasn't too intelligent but she wasn't a dumb girl by any means. And yea it ended in sex, but that wasn't the only enjoyable moment.

>>18507583
kek what the fuck

>>18507604
I know I probably sound crazy but my current job is insane. The women working there are literally meme feminists, I haven't even targeted by them yet but they've gotten random guys fired on a whim. I'll probably leave the company whenever I can desu.

>>18507531
It is for Chads and Staceys. Are you Chad?

>>18507570
I've been on /pol/ and the only thing I got was a PhD on cuckold fetish. Now I can detect cuckoldry from miles away.

>>18507581
>looking for nuns in nightclubs

I'm 30 years old. How do I find a girl in her early 20s to start a traditional family with? I want to have 5+ kids and have enough money to finance the entire relationship while providing an above decent lifestyle for us both.

My uncle's speech therapist always calls me "sir/mister" (whichever is the proper way where you live), even though we may be about the same age.
Is she just being respectful or is she putting me in my place as an ugly neckbear? I'm not hitting on her, btw.

>>18507677
try Mongolia

>>18507677
Aren't there a lot of women in their 30's who want to start families? Why are you fixated on young women, ya fuckin chauvinist dullard? Do you get off on power imbalances? If girls aren't ready to settle down and birth kids yet, that's your hint to try dating women.

>>18507683
part of the protocol. therapists are not supposed to talk to you in unofficial way, as it might affect the therapy in a bad way.
You can find some therapists who do it the other way around

>>18507691
But I am not the patient, my uncle is.

>>18507700
wait, I missed the word 'speech'. It changes quite a bit.
But I guess, that being her client (family), she feels it's right to title you this way. It's more proffessional and all

>>18507688
Old women are gross.

>>18507736
She's going to become old while she raises the kids with you! What's your plan then, genius? Cheating on her? I hope women have the self respect and self preservation to stay away from you.

>>18507749
Rude.

>>18507688
>>18507749
This feminazi is so triggered. LOL

Unlike that guy, I like MILFs, though.

>>18507688
>>18507749
That other anon isn't me. I'd rather date younger women because many older women my age have a lot of baggage. If I can marry an attractive woman in her 20s why not? And no, obviously I won't leave her when she gets older, that's silly.

I know this is possible because I've known girls and guys in this situation before, but I wasn't even aware I'd be in it. Ideally I would have married a girl before reaching 30.

>>18507768
Women in their 30's are considered MILFs now? I guess I should kill myself in 5 years.

>>18507778
If you take porn into account, girls around 25 are already well into the MILF category. lol

>>18507778
Look, I didn't mean to trigger you by asking for dating advice. Don't feel like you're past your expiration date our anything, there's plenty of men who are willing to date women in their 30s. Things will be okay. Are you having trouble right now?

>>18507378
>This person did something that hurt my feelings. Why do guys/girls do this?
>Because shit people are shit people. It's not a gendered thing.

WRONG there are a handful of shit men, but all women are shitty vapid bitches this is MGTOW 101.
>>18507415
FUCK OFF
>>18507383
Yes, women judge you about everything. You do something beta. You are blacklisted and sent to beta orbiter / worst case provider status

>>18507749
Cunts deserve to be cheated on, they cheat on guys their with most the time, and then make false rape allegations i'd say this happens maybe in 33 percent of so called relationships, mainly because the man is a beta and refuses to provide some monetary value willingly so it is taken by force,
>>18507778
5 years until you hit the wall and will be desired by no man :D Older Chads will go for young women and you will be forced to stay with a beta male who resends you. POOR YOU BOOHOO.
>>18507768
Doing Gods work anon.

>>18507812
Don't be so mean to her anon. She's clearly insecure, our world's such a weird place nowadays you can't blame people for making a few mistakes. She can still find a guy but she needs to hurry.

>>18507444
It's true for everyone, looks get you in the door, personality makes them stay. You have to be at least somewhat attractive to even get them to talk to you, but most if not all flaws will be overlooked in favor of personality.

anyway, there's no real good way to judge your own image. Personally, I think the best way to judge is based on who you pull. If on average, the only women who ever talk to you or flirt with ya are 4's, then you're probably in that range as well. If you get a lot of 7's, youre probably in that area too.
Another route you could go, though I don't really recommend since its a highly biased and faulty system, you could go to a rate thread on soc, post your pic, and then average all your ratings once you get about 10 or so.

However, everyone is into different things. Yes, there is the "average standard" of traits that most people agree are appealing, but overall, we're individuals. That 7/10 you dated could be a 3/10 to some other dude. You could have been a 10/10 to her, but some other girl will see you as a 5 at best. Etc.
Which is why there is no real scale. There is only a scale for an individual person to their specific tastes.
>TL;DR
The cold hard truth is looks matter, but only to a very small scale. You can't look like roadkill, but so long as you have something more than a pretty face to bring to the table, 99% of the population will be more charmed by your personality than your looks so long as you at least look normal, women especially.

What is your age and how often do you get boners?

>>18507531
All online dating is for the extremely undesirable, that's why they're attracted to it. You don't have to put in any effort or work, and you get to hide behind text and screens. If these people weren't fucked in some way, they'd be going and meeting people irl the normal way.

>>18507834
Can I find traps on Tinder

Can I find Indian chicks

Are the memes about "be white and tall and instantly get minority girls" really true?

>>18507819
Women cannot be insecure.
They only pretend to be insecure when Chad doesn't instagram / snapchat them for about 40 minutes and even then they're doing it for attention.
A woman can't be lonely as all they have to do is go to a club and open their legs. ergo they may not be insecure

and what kind of retarded thing to say is that?
>You can't blame women for cheating
Uhh yeah, I can and it is all their fault so you are clearly a dumbass unless you're shitposting in which case I salute you.

>>18507688
Well, because biologically speaking 30 is a bit late in the game to be having kids, especially if they want as many as OP.
Unless you plan to basically be pregnant nonstop for 5-6 years, they're gonna be running more and more risk each year she has between the kids, as her eggs get worse and worse off. Also conceiving in general is more difficult the older you are.

OP's a bit delusional though I agree, most young 20 somethings are not gonna want an old fart of a husband who's breeding them like cattle. If this was the life he really wanted he should have gotten the fuck on it when he was young too.

>>18507837
You degenerate homosexual. I too hate women but I would NEVER turn into a gosh darn man fucker.

>>18507683
In a professional environment you have to act professionally.

I refer to fucking high school boys as "sir" at my job because it would be unprofessional of me to say "hey kid"

>>18507837
>traps
they're kinda rare, but yes there are decent looking trannys.

>>18507834
>extremely undesirable
dude I gotta complete 6 months of 400-level chemistry in 2 months while also working an hour commute from home. Tinder is for people who want to drive 15 minutes away to someone's house, fuck, then never talk again. It's great, fuck you.

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>>18507785
If you take real life into account, girls around 15-17 are into the MILF category.

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Reminder not to feed the very obvious and desperate trolls,
do not reward them with (You)'s unless they actually put the effort into being funny or good about it.

>>18507838
>women can't be lonely
Meaningless sex is not companionship. I know you're angry and probably have a difficult time with getting sex yourself, but really, sex won't make you less lonely. The whole "women hitting the wall" meme is true but they get deluded by society and friends into letting themselves get into this situation. It's possible to get out of it though and you shouldn't want her to die alone
>you can't blame women for cheating
I never once said anything about this in my post.

>>18507849
Ok, so you don't have enough time to go out and meet people, what makes you think you have enough time to properly date someone?
The excuse of "I just don't have time" doesn't really work, since you don't have time to date.

But you're right, tinder in specific is just for sex. But I was talking about online dating in general.

>>18507859
See >>18507858 and plz stop

>>18507859
They are still not lonely, at leas not compared to me, women like to share Chads rather than look at someone who DARES not to be a 8+/10.
I will never get laid unless it is to a mentally ill 1/10 overweight 44 year old, due to the fact that Chad has decided that they're finally not worthy of him.

>>18507850
I kek'd anon.

>>18507871
I realized he was a troll soon after postin :/

>>18507378
Don't change the subject line. It can't be found using search now so don't do it again.

>>18507879
>he is that unaware of my loneliness that he assumes I'm a troll
Am I beyond all hope?

>>18507903
A tripfag is never lonely because faggots just have to open their ass cheeks and men flock to them.

>>18507830
24
not less than 5 a day
but it's not that I ever care about counting them

>>18507834
um, how about thinking about it like just another place you can meet people?
I, for once, dislike bars. I hate alcohol, I don't really like all this pretending stuff, etc.
meeting irl is just very complicated, especially since people get more and more immersed in the internet, so they go out less.

Long story short I was a bitch with some coworker because reasons then asked him to forgive me and jockingly told him I wasn't going to put the blame on my period, then he said something like
>Oh I know that, it's about (time) too early for that
How the hell could he tell the right date and how should I interpret it? Is he stalking me?

>>18507887
fuck off and do it yourself next time, faggot

jeez, why the fuck should I ever care about children unable to find a thread manually?

>>18507938
You acted like a bitch to someone because they were a none Chad beta. then got offended and want to accuse him of a serious crime, because he was nervous and made a bad nervous person joke.

As another woman I fucking hate you. Cold hearted bitch.

Girls would you rather date someone from /a/ or /pol/?

>>18507946
/pol/ simply because it would be less annoying and sad that dating a weaboo.

>>18507938
he's your coworker. if he works with you for at least 3 months or so, he was basically forced to observe your big changes in mood. I don't get what's so strange about being able to count.

in fact, your ways of thinking make me think you have some serious problems

>>18507944
+1 for you. I like you

>>18507944
So it was probably a coincidence and I'm just being overly paranoid?

>>18507926
Hobbies, special interest groups, work, or the most effective, through friends.

>>18507946
>/a/
I would never date a beta cartoon watching loser
>/pol/
Bitter angry version who is mad at my decision to have sex

POL they're not as beta

>>18507946
I think I'd rather kill myself.

Joking aside, /a/. At least we'd have a single thing in common.

>>18507955
and places in the internet. why should I deny those? what's so wrong with them?
Especially since they have one great advantage over the stuff you mentioned - there's much, much more people to be found there

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>>18507879
At least he was nice enough to use a trip code so its easier for me to filter lol. So I guess he has that going for him despite being really bad at trolling.

>>18507951
Why would you being actively interested in someone's menstrual cycle? No matter how you look at it, it's just weird.

>>18507954
Yes. But it's probably just because you're an awful person.

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Girls, judge me based on the boards I visit
They are in that order for a reason btw

>>18507957
>POL they're not as beta
what.
how is msogyny caused by unattractiveness and beliefs in bullshit not the maximum beta you can get

>>18507962
Because again, they go on there because they have some sort of serious negative trait that will ultimately be the destruction of the relationship.
This trait usually ends up being
>100% autistic/depressed/psycho and has no ability to relate or talk to other human beings
>Has a kid
>Lives way too far away to have any sort of meaningful interaction and/or does not have the time to actually be in a relationship.

>>18507965
it's not being actively interested. you (or some women at least) are fucking angry for a day or two every month. It's fucking apparent.
it's as if you were calling me actively interested in catastrophes and terrorism, because I know many things about 9/11

>>18507974
>>18507962
Which, reminds me,
>There much more people!
Yeah, and what the fuck is the point of an E relationship with a person halfway across the world from you that you will never actually meet or have any significant interaction with?

Same as the guy who doesn't have time to meet people irl. Why bother if you're so far away? If you've exhausted all the singles in your own town you probably need to move

>>18507974
>they go on there because they have some sort of serious negative trait
I agree some do

but what makes you think they all do?

>>18507970
At least they don't watch as much anime and have political opinios

>>18507977
I don't think you understand what 'many people' means.
It means you are way more likely to find exactly the person you're looking for. It's called statistics

>>18507444
Post pic and learn to not give a fuck about what others think about you. Girls want manly men, not insecure boys.

>>18507531
It is a tool. You get results depending on how you use it. Tldr try it already.

>>18507557
Pic related. Chances are high you are just meeting bad ones. Try change your source of ladies.

>>18507677
>5 kids
Even gypsies here stopped having so many. Try online dating. And social events. Ever been to demonstration?

>>18507778
All you need is to secure bf, marry him and seal the deal with few babies. No need to kys :-D

>>18507938
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/theres-new-app-to-help-men-navigate-their-girlfriends-moods-by-t/

>>18507962
Dont bother. There are two generations now. One understands what internet is and fully uses it to its advantages. And the other is skeptical and even though they shitpost on 4chan as you do, they consider online dating as unnatural phenomen. And time when they were born doesnt necessarily corelates with their opinion about online dating.

>>18507946
/a/. They are slightly less sexist than /pol/ + i'm a weeb.

ok, girls:
mostly strong opinions or mostly open mind?

>>18507975
I do really become more sensitive but I'm professional enough not to let it affect my work. He would need to actually pay close attention to notice it.

As for me being a terrible person, I said sorry to the guy and I really meant it, it's just that this whole thing caught me by surprise.

I'm going to college soon, I want to meet someone there.
I'm awkward but can be funny and usually people like being around me but I never know how to initiate a conversation, I can hold one up tho.

Can any girl tell me if this would weird them out?
>see a girl I like
>come up to her (when she's either at the lockers/outside/on her way back to class etc)
>say something like "hey, how's it going?"
>talk for a bit if she shows interest
>"do you wanna get a coffee or something later?"

I know this may sound ridiculous and simple, but I've been replaying this scenario in my head and something feels wrong, like I'm being too pushy/too quick with asking to hang out. Would she receive it as "we'll be friends" or "potential dating material"?
The only girl I ever dated was from tinder so meeting girls irl is a novelty to me, sadly

>>18507993
it's the other anon, that calls you terrible. I don't have enough info to decide.
but you seem to be very sure of the signals you give, even though they are basically delicate clues for the other sex and not for you.

My bet is that you don't know shit about actually being 'proffessional' enough to not let your environment know about your worse days.

>>18507999
kid, you propose doing something together once you feel good in somebody's company and want to be with them even longer.
you don't propose it at a set time after meeting/ starting conversation/ aligning of the planets

>>18507999
Start convo before class start.
>can i sit next to you
is all time classic. Then ask them about something study related and boom, you have somebody to talk to.

Dont overthink problems.

>>18508013
>>18508017
how can I not over think it if I've just been told not to do what I planned on doing?

>>18508017
Also, what if she's not in my class? I'm starting college a bit late so most likely the girls in my year will be 17/barely 18 and I think I should be aiming higher at the 19/20/21 range in later years. Would what I wrote earlier work then?

>>18508013
That's what I mean, once we talk and somewhat get to know each other, I should know by then if she likes me or not, so would it be too weird to ask her to hang out outside of college? that wouldn't 'count' as a date would it?

>>18508030
things don't 'count'. It's life, not a game with score tables.
you attatch meaning to things, the other person attatches meaning to things, life continues.
you like her -> you want to spend more time with her->you inform her about it and ask if she likes this idea.
if she does, you do whatever you want together. Simple. simple as fuck.

really, man , you are pretty autistic.

What's a good place to take someone to get their mind off the stress and problems of life? The girl I like is going through some shit, was thinking of asking her out to somewhere, what's a ideal spot?

>>18508030
Do you think so much before you talk to boys? Girls are as boys except few body parts. Treat them the same.

STOP OVERTHINKING PROBLEMS!
Greetings, smile, ask them about ANYTHING and go with the flow.
http://www.improveyoursocialskills.com/conversation

>>18507938
>How the hell could he tell the right date
Probably because you're periodically a bitch.

>>18507843
This is what is wrong with the world nowadays. You should be able to treat those little shits like they deserve.

>>18508098
lol

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>>18508120
>calling kids as little shits just because they are dumb young horny teens
It must be real pleasure to deal with you in real life.

>>18508133
well, she explained she's a bitch in her first post.
at least she's authentic I guess

>>18508130
chloroform, bro.
you can take a marriage for an hour in Iran

Why would a girl go on about how "we need to hang out more" and then ghost the shit out of you whenever you ask her to do something?

>>18508164
Girl here. I don't get it either. Find someone better.

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>>18508164
When girl evades dates she doesnt want to date/sex/marry you. You are just her emotional tampon or worse back up man.

>>18508130
Only reason why disney got my money.

>>18508133
I only respect those who deserve it, unlike you cuck who will get stepped over by any young idiot.

>>18508145
I don't know how you think I'm a girl.

>>18508196
There is differenve between being nice to others and toleraring bullshit, but since you lack good manners you wouldnt know anyway.

Have a nice day!

be honest girls
Size does matter.

I've had girls say im "fine" or "big ones hurt anyways"

i dont like being lied too.

>>18508173
It sucks, I really thought I was close with her. Now I feel like everything she told me was just some game to her...

>>18508181
Yeah, probably. I'm just a piece of shit anyway.

>>18508219
It matters and 7-8'' is ideal.

It is what it is.

>>18508219
Penis can be too long. Then it hits your uterus and IT HURTS A LOT.

Penis can be too wide. Then after few minutes the pussy gets too "raw" and sex is no fun. Also you have to do "streching" and lots of foreplay if the girls vagina is too small for your monster cock.

And majority of girls never gets off from penetration alone.

The bigger the better is meme made for insecure guys who likes to compare penises with each other.

>>18507978
Because if they didn't theyd be dating the normal way.

>>18507984
Not really. Unless what you are looking for is autism to the max and with 3 kids form 3 different people.

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>>18508120
>What is wrong with the world
The customer is always right anon. The customer is always right.

I'd honestly rather deal with the teenage boys than the middle age soccer moms though. The teen boys at least make weak attempts to hit on me, the soccer moms just literally spit on me and call me retarded for not being able to scan their coupon that expired last year. Then storm out after I call for a manager screaming "I WILL NEVER SHOP HERE AGAIN"
>And then their ass is back in my line the next day.

>>18508130
Only reason why VII isn't worse than the prequels.

I just went through a horrible breakup. I feel like I never want to love anyone again for fear of getting hurt like this. Are my feelings valid? Should i just give up on love. I don't have to worry about dying a virgin should I just quit while I'm ahead?
Also I'm sure my age makes a difference but
>inb4 underage

>>18508320
and the interenet is so fucking abnormal
I mean - writing to strangers in basically anonymous way?
that's ridiculous! I'd never do that! You probably wouldn't as well, since you seem like a very reasonable person.

>>18508323
how many such people did you find?

>>18508347
they are totally valid, anon

they will also disappear in a couple of months if not weeks

>>18508252
So you'd pick a 5 incher over an 8?
>doubt

>>18508348
Casually chatting in a completely noncommittal way anonymously online is very different from attempting to establish a close relationship. Idk why that was even brought up though.

Every single one of them. Tried online dating for the lulz since everyone lied and said "thats the only way to do it anymore" and literally all 6 months I tried it I did not meet a single person that didn't have some extremely serious redflag.
90% of them was just that their opening line was
>w-wow you're like the most beautiful woman in the world I would treat you like a princess btw I've never even made eye contact with a real live woman before oh god I jizzed myself just thinking of touching your hand.

>>18508360
and how many people are we actually talking about?

and by the way, as I specified many posts ago, I'm not really interested in dating leading to sex or any closeness (unless the met person proves to be worthy of it later). I just want to spend some nice time with somebody

>>18508219
>5.5" master race reporting in
>Gf cums buckets with penetration
>Have to be careful in some positions not to ram her cervix
>lifes good

>>18508330
Been working at a grocery store that prides itself on its customer service for the past 15 yrs.
Now a govt. employee at my career
Still have pt job at store
Yrs and yrs ago when i was a young guy and still a teen, i bought an empty propane tank in the store (have a bin outside to buy or exchange them)
Instantly get bitched at for bringing the shit in
"U could kill us all!" Etc
Last week lady customer brings in empty propane tank
Remember the shit that happened to me way back when
Start caqusing a commotion and telling her ass to take that shit outside
"It might get stolen!"
Lady aint nobody gon jack that
Continue to tell her ass
She starts getting upset and manager notices
Manager has front service guy escort her out
Manager tells me to calm down
Say i cant smoke now since she bought in the tank and IT MIGHT BLOW OUR ASSES UP!!!!!!! Yes I said this while customer was still in ear shot
Later when i was having a break the manager wonders why im acting like that
Told her I was treated the exact same way when I was a noob and bought propane into the store. Was treated by the same way by the customer service trainers so I am just using what I was taught
She said that I was trained it the wrong way and next time if something bothers me just go get her first and explain it to her instead of accusing the customer of trying to pull an Allah Akbar.

If ya wanted to know the next day I was thinking how I reacted and felt lil bad for the woman who had no idea what to do. I was there in her shoes and got treated and trained to be a shithead. If she ever steps foot in our store I will subtract $10 from her order and applogize.

Like i said a decade plus some yrs at that store.

>>18508370
At least 100, if not more. 6 month of generous use on multiple websites and platforms in a fairly large city. Not a single one was even worth meeting, but I still met up with about 5 of them anyway. One ended up stalking me, the other 4 creamed themselves and stuttered through the whole 30 minute outing.

>>18508219
Well I'd be lying to you if I said I liked them large.

A single finger hurts me. I can only physically tolerate the smaller ones. A guy of average length/girth couldn't even penetrate me, despite me taking painkillers beforehand and still in tears over feeling like I've been ripped in half.
From just the tip.

My current guy is very small and I thank god for it. Only thing that makes biting the pillow and bearing through sex through the pain even possible.

>>18508380
well, it's either
a) you had a terrible luck
b)you yourself are the problem. A total femnazi bitch or alike
c)you live in a horrible city

but I really wonder, why wouldn't you give up after 50 or even 20?

>>18508388
um, your vagina is the *second* hole from the top. the one you let them stick their dicks into is called urethra and isn't designed for inserting anything

>>18508378
Yeah I never dared treat anyone poorly as an employee, no matter how I may have been treated.
I watched my coworker get written up once because some guy asked her out and she told him she was already seeing someone. Guy threw a fit and told the manager she was being "rude"
Coworker tried to explain herself, but manager cut her off before she could get more than a word out
"I don't want to hear excuses, you should never be rude to a customer. I'm writing you up for this, do not do it again"

>>18508389
Because I wanted to get a good enough sample so nobody could say, basically exactly what you just said.
I was unlucky
I didn't try hard enough
I was just a cunt.
I made sure to get a very good sample size so I could say confidently that online dating is shit and you should never rely on it to find anything even remotely good, long lasting, or serious.

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>>18508397
Vaginismus is a bitch of an incurable disease anon.

>>18507830
21
5-20 depending on a variety of factors

>>18508388
Yeah that's how it goes.
100% of the time girls will chose the bigger guy over smaller guys like me.

The only reason they'd willingly choose other wise is health reasons. "It hurts too much"

That just says they wish they could have the bigger guy but will settle for pathetic beta fucks like myself

>>18508411
I mean, come on. there's no way every single person out of a damn hundred could be undateable idiot/virgin/whatever.
ever tried going to bars then?
are people there just as bad?
how about people you meet in your job/ school?

>>18508419
Well idk man, I can honestly say I wouldn't prefer it even if it didn't hurt, but when you've never once had a positive association with something, then your opinion might just be biased idk.

I can say, 100% of dudes would rather an innie pussy than an outie too. Which is the issue I have.

Think about if you had an ugly dick that was ALSO broken and unfunctionable. Shit sucks

>>18508406
That sucks. I got a story:
This one dude who was already sketchy looking but whatevea he is a customer comes to my line.
I am bagging and training new cashier to use the register.
Casual small talk then the guy ask the cashier chick what time she gets off.
Convo before this is ok nuthn special
Second he ask this the cashier starts getting uncomfortable
Cashier like 17/18 and is a young girl
The dude is a lil older than her (maybe 22 at the most)
I told the dude to leave the store and if I see him in the lot he will be sorry
He leaves
Tell the cashier to not worry about him, he wont come back


Sucks your manager didnt hear the side of the story of the employee. Always before acting on something you gotta hear all sides. Hell when I was a dick about the propane the manager listened to me even though I was yelling at the customer. If you cant do that you shouldnt be manager and have no power on deciding or enforcing shit.

>>18508419
She won't choose the bigger guy if the smaller guy is fucking great at making her cum with his fingers/tongue.
All the girls I've been with preferred clitoral orgasms.

>>18508426
Well they all were lol
>Tried going to bars
Yup, met a handful of nice dudes out and about at bars, most of which I am still friends with, and one of which I dated for 2 years and parted ways mutually.
>Are people there just as bad
Sometimes, you get some of the skeevy dudes hitting on you and not taking "fuck off" for an answer, but I've honestly met more at least normal dudes at bars than I have psychos.
>Meeting at job/school
This is where I've met basically all of my bfs. We met naturally, had a common interest right away, didn't have a stat sheet in front of us so it was exciting and fun to slowly explore one another, and therefore our relationships lasted much longer.
I'm currently seeing a guy I met in class, still learning new things about him every day and haven't run out of dialogue yet.

Girls,

How do you know when you love your boyfriend? I've only ever been in one serious relationship and my feelings for him weren't that strong

>>18508439
well, your experience seems nothing but weird to me.
but at this point I can do nothing but assume you're right about your conclusions

>>18508435
Yeah I wish I had a manager like you. Never once felt like I was supported in any job I had.

One place I worked at you were not allowed to ever ask off, only thing you could do was trade shifts. Nobody just got time off. And if they called you to take someone who was "sick";s shift, if you declined you'd find your hours mysteriously slashed the next schedule.

Also worked at a different place that had a store credit card, and if you didn't get a certain amount of credit card applications each week, your hours got slashed.
Had a policy of customers had to say no 3 times before we could drop it, if a manager was watching and you didn't ask at least 3 times you got written up. We basically were expected to get on our hands and knees and beg/suck dick for them to sign up for a credit card or we risk losing our jobs.

That was the job where a woman threatened to go get her gun and shoot up the store if I couldn't find her hold item, told my manager about it when I couldn't find it because I was legitimately concerned about this woman getting violent, was yelled at for losing the hold (It wasn't my department anyway so I had no power in what happened to the hold) and told to get back to that customer and figure out some way to make her spend money here.

>>18508452
I mean try it if you want to yourself, I just think you'd be wasting your time and can meet far more quality people if you just did it the way nature intended.

>>18508446
Not a girl but to me "love" is strong. When you. Can't stop thinking about them and are actually happy to be around them maybe it is love. Love is different to different people. My cousin really didnt care about his gf, saw her more of a fuck buddy. However. When he was very sick she took care of him and brought him soup in bed and make sure he was all right to full recovery. He is now married to her and I could tell that because of the kindness and caring she exhibited while he was sick, his heart grew and was like "Yup I love this girl".

Gril that I've known for 7ish years started talking to me a few months ago. Apparently she broke up with her boyfriend or something and got all flirty with me. We've been close at times, i.e. she started getting defensive of me after my ex dumped me a year or so ago.

When we were way younger I led her on and then shot her down once or twice.

Regardless (I'm drunk) she starts texting me a few months ago being super flirty (we've been all good for a few years now). This went on for a couple of weeks, I confirmed with one of her friends that she had broken up with the dude. The friend said it had been a long time coming. Then out of nowhere the conversations stop and theyre back together. I know this isn't abnormal but I am more than a little upset.

I didn't put myself in a position to be a "nice guy" so I feel like maybe I should send her a text and be like "yo, what the fuck was all that about" or something. Again, I'm drunk, so maybe talk some sense into me. Maybe it's a brilliant idea I really can't tell. What do.

What makes a man Chad according to men?

>>18508455
my problem is, my network of friends is basically spent at this moment. I tried all of the people I'm close with and I barely have an opportunity to see anybody new. I dislike the idea of meeting anybody in a bar, mostly because I hate aclohol. And I hve holidays right now, so no connections at my colledge either.
internet seems to be the right choice in this situation.

Men,

I'm in something like a LDR and we sext and videochat and whatever but I send sexy pictures and he doesn't. I get that he's insecure, but is one dick pic really that hard to do? Am I allowed to ask for one? He's requested special sexy pics from me.

>>18508446
Idk, I think I could probably turn the distinction from like to love when I just no longer found anything wrong with him.
Like my last serious bf, when I met and got to talking with him, I was like "Ah this kid's kinda dorky, nice, but dorky. He's not all that attractive either, but attractive enough"

Then at some point he became a 10/10 to me, and all those dorky things I thought about him before were suddenly admirable. Every single fault I saw in him when we met faded away.

>>18508459
Sounds like she was having trouble dealing with the break up and was desperate for a rebound.
I personally wouldn't send her that text, it sounds like a bad idea.

>>18508463
I, for once, don't really believe in chads. They are just a meme
the closest actual type of person I can imagine is a guy so damn attractive (for whatever reason), that he can always score on a party/via tinder, so he fucks a lot
not a dream to chase if you ask me

>>18508464
I would just make a better effort with your friends personally. Or find a club/class/job/activity.

And again, if you "barely have to opportunity to see anyone new" you barely have the opportunity to spend time with whoever you meet online.

By all means though, go ahead and wade through the river of shit if you think that'll help. At least you can be like me and say you tried, and know to never dip a toe in that smelly diarrhea again.

>>18508466
he's really a girl, catfishing you

>>18508454
Damn I woulda told the manager then to go to the customer. That is a public safety threat. I had very immature managers too and I know about them playing with your hours. It's like having a fucking high school mentality is required to be able to manage working adults worktime. One retard/manager always would just yell at me WUT TIME WE GET OFF!!! This would go on for months and months when I had enough of that shit so i went to the store manager and sort of brought up how she treated me. I mean I took her shit for months and months when it finally boiled down and I needed him to handle it before I blew my fuse. The store manager was an asshole for the most part but he saw how much annoyed I was by her. I couldnt even have a convo with her cuz she will bring in the I AM ROMANIAN SO NO ENGLISH shit with me. So I told big fella manager about this.


Two months later she came up to me and asked why I told on her. I mean I would expect her to bring it up like a week or a couple days after I talk to the store manager but she chose to bring up two months later. All I could do is shrug and laugh.

I have millions stories mane, one other manager started to cry when I asked her for a hard Xerox copy of my evaluate Chin instead of the faintly pencil piece of paper. I mean the bitch started tearing up like if i asked her if her dad raped her. Wtf.

>>18508470
I hate to be the one who sounds like he will argue with anything other than what he wants to hear, but at the same time she is different when they are together and he also does not like her talking to me due to her previous infatuations with me. So if they are together am I really burning a bridge by doing this?

Another thing is that after re-reading what I said I sometimes lean more one way than another. I really don't want to seem lik a hypocrite here lol

>>18508474
*evaulation

>>18508463
A guy who's so attractive and/or charismatic he constantly hooks up with women without trying.
I also see them as being extremely shallow because of that.

>>18508472
>And again, if you "barely have to opportunity to see anyone new" you barely have the opportunity to spend time with whoever you meet online.
no no no. I have the time, I just can't meet new people in my social circle, as they don't come to the parties I'm getting invited to.

anyway, thanks for your insights. I learned something new today, which is precious

>>18508474
Eh, that manager I'm 100% certain didn't even know my name. Every single time she saw me she would call me "you" and ask me how many credit apps I got that day. Literally the only conversation she ever had with me. I don't think she would have really given a shit if I got shot, would probably just tell my family they'd have to pay for the merchandise I got blood on.

Slave wagers are just a cog in the system, we're replaceable and don't matter. All the managers ever saw us as were small money printers.
That was just a summer job, and the company required them to give us a small raise once we worked there for more than 2 months. Like 10 cents. They purposely waited 3 months to give me that raise, when I put in my 2 weeks because I was going back to school.
>Oh here's your raise, it'll go into effect next pay period
>I won't be working here next pay period.
>Oh, thats a shame, You can't tell anyone that we don't give raises tho because we totally do.

>>18508492
If you have the time then just go outside and meet people.

>>18508446
love is not a feeling.
love is what you do and what you are willing to do for some other person.
this is why you can never claim you are in love if you only know somebody via the internet.

so ask yourself if you value that person more than yourself and if you agree to get your body mutilated for theirs sake.
that's pretty good measure of love

>>18508503
by what? bumping onto them on the street?

>>18508516
Yup. Talk to people, say hi, go to places where people congregate. See events in your town. Be sociable.

To quote the OP:

>Where do I meet girls/guys?
>Anywhere outside.

Though the OP also suggests online too, like I said you can go ahead and give it the ole college try but I very strongly do not recommend wasting your time unless you just wanna dick some crazy chick with 5 kids for an hour and then spend the rest of your life making sure she doesn't know where you live.

>>18508500
It is bullshit. The store when they give raises are like ten or fifteen cents. I don't know how to treat the workers. And I am glad it is starting to bite them in the ass. I had some inside info about a competitor "stealing" (managers words) workers. Basically promoting them to managers and giving them an increased in salary by a few bucks and gaurentee full time at the competition. The managers felt betrayed but that is what COMPETITION brings, you gotta treat ppl right and not the "promise" of a fifteen cent raise in six months IF things go according to plan (ie: if pigs fly).

>>18508533
well, trying to connect with people who are complete strangers to me is just not my style. internet kind of justifies it, as both strangers there gather having similar interests in mind

Also, I met with but one person whom I met this way, nd she was really cool, young, childless, ambitious, not fucked up mentally

it's 100% success so far, though obviously the sample is too law for any assumptions

>>18508542
Yeah where I'm from min wage is 7 bucks and some change.
I got a job this summer paying 8.25 and felt like I was making godlike money.
Then my friend told me she just got hired at a pizza place that started at 10.50. I'm hoping more and more places will start paying a living wage.

>>18508557
>complete strangers
>but if they're on the internet it's ok
>????

Ok, and a group of strangers gathering at an Offspring concert irl have nothing in common? A group of strangers meeting to play some soccer have nothing in common? A group of strangers meeting to play some DND in a game shop have nothing in common? There is nothing the internet is offering you that you cannot find irl other than the ability to half ass it and hide your true self behind a screen.
>I met this girl online whos really cool
And I bet in about 3 weeks she'll prove to be super insecure of herself and accuse you of cheating on her and be really obsessive over you.

How long does one wait generally before dating someone new after a break up? Pretty much got a yes "but just not right now"

I have a female friend who is cool but dating someone, however if I don't respond in a day to her text she get anxious with me.

For example I was busy working the past two days and didn't respond to a couple of her text and now she sent me a huge apology text saying how she is sorry because she thinks she made me angry with her.

Lol wut???...I think she is crazy.

>>18508567
nah, she was a cool, normal person. I talked with her for hour upon hours. I study cognitive science, I have a little bit of knowledge on evaluating people'smentality.

which part of "not my style" don't you understand?

I don'tlike concerts, sports nor rpg's. so I won't go there. I'm not bitching about it though. Just stating the fact.

>>18508574
Whenever you're ready and meet someone you like.

Though if the break up was not mutual, and you were the one that dumped them, the nice thing to do might be give it a few weeks to a month.
But you certainly aren't obligated

>>18508586
Well if you have absolutely no hobbies or personality then maybe you do belong online lol. Those were just examples, insert whatever your hobby is into those slots, if you even have one.

>>18508590
Oh, I should've clarified. She broke up with some dude but the 2 of us are always flirty so I asked her. She said yes but not right now.

>>18508578
She might just be a needy friend.

I'm guilty of being a needy friend sometimes. I have a guy friend who I have no intention of dating that I sometimes feel sad when he doesn't respond to me. He's just a good close friend and I also don't want to feel like I'm bugging him.

>>18508574
it's been a year for me and I've still found nobody. I've come to terms with the fact that maybe i'm not ready. It gets easier.

>>18508605
Ah gotcha. If you're the new guy then it's just as long as you're willing to wait for her.
"Yes but not right now" could mean a lot of things,
could mean "I'd like to keep you on the back burner in case I don't meet anyone better"
could mean "I'm still working out some lingering emotions, but I do think I like you"
could mean "I want to politely turn him down and am too awkward to say no flat out even though it's the right thing to do"

So, answer's still the same I guess, whenever she's ready. But don't wait on her ass, keep your options open and if you meet someone better, go for it.

>>18508595
the more you talk to me the more I grow convinced you actually are an insufferable bitch, which was the actual cause you couldn't get along woth anybody online

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>>18508612
>tfw its been 6 years and you want nothing more in the world than to move on but you are just too fucked up and desperate for anyone to stick around longer than 1 date.

>>18508621
What? Because I called you out on not understanding what I was saying, or because I hit the nail on the head?
>Something tells me I hit the nail on the head given the extremely unwarranted hostile reaction.
Do you have any hobbies? There are groups for literally everything if you take a quick google search.

>>18508626
Hearing this I can't truly say that I know your pain. I smoke pot and drink every night immediately after work so that I don't have to feel my feelings. They will catch up with me one day and then maybe I will understand. Until then, however, I think I've found some peace.

>>18508634
>Can't handle smoke
>drinking intensifies the sadness 10 fold rather than numbing it
There is no cure or even treatment for me man.
I'm hoping at some point with some booze I'll finally be pushed over the edge and have a successful suicide attempt instead of the rope snapping or me vomiting up the pills.

>>18508631
I have many hobbies. I can't meet people using them by just going out and engaing in them
I have no problem with this fact
you were hostile yourself for a couple of posts already, having problems with the way I am. Thus my "unwarranted" response.

>>18508651
And what are those? What hobbies do you have that are impossible to meet people with the same interests other than through an ok cupid survey?
Unless it's like, murdering small animals or something.

I'm not aware I've been hostile. I've only stated that online dating is a terrible way of meeting people because nobody of any real quality is on there, because the properties of online dating attract the worst types of personalities.
If you find voicing a differing opinion hostility I apologize I guess...

Girls, are there any hobbies that you find particularly attractive (other than the ones you share)?

>>18508686
mm there's something to say for musicians. Idk why, there is no real rational explanation for it. But really anything that is a skill that he expresses real passion for is a turn on. But it has to be real, you can't just fake interest to get pussy points.

>>18508665
science, mostly the psychology-related stuff
exploring abandoned buildings
just laying on the grass
experimenting with the mystical sde of hallucinogenic drugs
hitchhiking
(before you start on the last one - not less than 15 girls met in very different ways promised togo with me. Not a single one did)

voicing different opinions is fine. telling me I'm in the wrong because of my opinons isn't

Boys/Girls
how do you recover from a sudden break up? We had plans of marriage together, but now suddenly everything is over. I feel lost and demotivated, it feels like I have a hole in the stomach all the time.

>>18508644
I've found a certain masochistic comfort in the pain/sadness that I dwell in when I am alone sometimes. It helps me cope.

Girls:
do you prefer men with strong opinions on most of the subjects?
or men with open minds on most of the subjects?

>>18508559
You do that anon. At the store job I pretty much make a dollar every year Ive been there. It is bs People always say that it is a great company because the stock is private and they take care of their employees. Well they took care of them til the board of Directors was rearranged and now it is not run by their original founding family.

Whatever dude, we blue collars and min wage survivors know what it is like. I'll buy ya a beer sometime if we ever meet. Out of all the managers I had, only about two were real cool and didnt turn all "corporate" once they moved on up to higher positions.

>>18508696
Yeah, and almost all of those are things that will have a group for irl. Hell, go on X sometime and see the urban exploration meet up threads sometime.
The hitchhiking thing, well, I get for a woman. Because that's like 99% chance of just being rape city.

Did I say you were wrong? I said at least in the last couple posts, by all means try if you want but you aren't likely to have a good time. Or at least a lasting thing. Sounds like even this chick you claim was good left eventually. Online dating attracts flakey people who at best want a short lived fling. Most don't ever even delete their profile when they meet someone, because it's too tempting and easy to say "Well, maybe I can find someone with a better stat sheet"

Stat sheets just aren't the way to date.

>>18507736
Younger girls are immature. I can see how you want a tight pussy..... Or at least a young girl in college compared to a used older one. However I would choose a mature woman rather than an obnoxious screaming girl any time

>>18508686
Musicians. Also, id say that overtly masculine hobbies, like cars, are things I find unattractive.

>>18508714
It depends on the subject and also my opinions. No, I'm not really gonna like a dude with a strong opinion on something that's the exact opposite of my strong opinion on something. I might respect their opinion, but if we have fundamentally different beliefs then it probably won't work out.

I expect a person to have and express their true feelings and opinions on everything. Don't pretend to care deeply about something you don't just to impress me. And don't pretend to have an opinion you don't just to impress me.


Now, I will say open mindedness is usually a good thing, but if you have a strong opinion because you did the research and have formed it over time with education, and not just because "well that's how my mom and dad raised me sooo." then that's completely fine.

>>18508714
What subjects? I mean, if a man has an opposite opinion to me on a subject I deem important (say, the role of women etc.) then I wouldn't consider him at all dateable. I prefer an open mind on politics or religion. But if it's something like "I prefer rock music to classical" a strong opinion and taste is more desireable.

>>18508721
again belttling my experiences to show how shining and bright is your point.

> even this chick you claim was good left eventually
she never left, because we were never dating
you assumed a hell of a lot here

> Most don't ever even delete their profile when they meet someone
hell, why would they?
you want them to stick to the first person they start dating?

>99% chance of just being rape city.
complete bullshit
After 9 years of hardcore hitchhiking, meeting tens of girl hitchhikers and collecting data from different forums I'd say the chance is not more than 10%, actually.
Again, it's your 'everybody in the field X is fucking bad' style of seeing things, that you practice with the internet population

urban exploration doesn't really involve girls.
Not in my country at least.


and for the very last time, as thi is getting seriously unproductive
I'M FUCKING FINE WITH THE WAY THINGS ARE

so you really don't need to bring me the light of your wisdom. I'm good.

>>18508506
>love is what you do and what you are willing to do for some other person.
>this is why you can never claim you are in love if you only know somebody via the internet.
That is such a silly thing to say.
I met my boyfriend online. We have been together for almost 10 years now, marrying next year.
I loved him even when we hadn't met in person yet. I spent months saving and working odd jobs to have enough money to go see him. I synced to his timezone to have a chance to talk to him more. He was studying my language to talk to my family and come see me. We were there for each other in moments of need.
Sure, our relationship changed and got deeper as it progresses from online to long distance to living together but I loved him in every phase.

>>18508735
Well it was a fair assumption, you're asking about meeting people on a "DATING" site. One would assume you meet someone and maybe went on a few dates. Dating doesn't inherently mean the "bf/gf" stage. It can also mean you aren't committed but going on dates.

>Why the hell would they
and this is where I did mean the "bf/gf" stage of dating. The English language is tricky like that, I understand the misunderstanding.
They agree to be serious with someone, but still keep looking on the side for backups.

>Rape city
that's what is drilled into every girls mind from birth though, whether it's true or not.
Hell, I was drilled to never ever under any circumstance ever go to a bar alone and get drunk by myself or I'll get date raped.
Do I still do it? Of fucking course. Do I always get home unharmed? Of course. Do I still think twice every time I do it and be very wary and cautious? Yup.

>Urban exploration doesn't involve girls
Now who's being presumptious and having the negative style of seeing things.
Unless you're in Iraq where women can't leave the house without being accompanied by a man, there are women in literally every single hobby. I'm quite the fan of urban exploration myself.

>I'm fine with the way things are, I don't need your wisdom!
>Posting on an advice thread
Ok mate whatever you say, you have to understand where I presumed you were looking for advice when you asked a question on an advice thread.

But even if you don't need my advice just because you already had your answer in your head before you even asked the question and wanted to fight anyone who dared not confirm what you already had in your head,
It's a free board. I can respond to whatever I want and put my experience and opinion out there.

Ivd been doing some reading and it seems most girls find the general idea of men owning a sex toy abit pathetic so to speak.

Is it because it somehow subconsciously threatens the woman even if she has absolutely nothing to do with men who own sex toys?

>>18508749
I think its more of the whole masculinity thing. You have perfectly good hands, men should be self sufficient and not rely on tools, its not like your genitalia is complicated.
That and there's the idea that good, confident, strong, desirable men don't have the need for toys or even masturbation because they can be fucking any chick whenever they want. (Some women even see men who masturbate as being pathetic, because they "can't get a woman")

I'm not one of those women who think sex toys are pathetic though, but I highly doubt it has anything to do with being threatened by a hunk of silicone. It's usually about being seen as the hottest dude alive with so much confidence and functioning junk that he doesn't need one.

But to me, hey, we all could use some help sometimes and sometimes it's just better and easier to use tools. Fuck knows I've never cum once in my life without a vibrator. No hand, tongue, or dick could ever make me cum. Gotta be vibrating.

>>18508749
It's more like "how pathetic." Everyone masturbates and that's totally normal, but owning a sex toy (particularly something like fleshlight or a sex doll) implies a commitment to masturbation that is abnormal. It's as if he resigned to masturbation because he can't get laid at all. Granted, this assumption is totally feels based, but it's what comes to my mind immediately and probably the source of my negative reaction.

>>18508744
well...
alright.

my only problem with your comments started when they extended over my initial question and went into 'everything you say is wrong' phase.

But maybe it's just thatI'm too sleep deprived to understand things right here.


anyway, I feel like I owe you a credit for keeping the conversation polite and being able to prove your points. No grudges borne. Still can't understand why you don't believe that there are normal people even on dating sites.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep now. nice day, anonnette.

>>18508758
how is a fleshlight different from a vibrator though?

>>18508761
Well I wasn't trying to enter any such "phase".
Was just telling you what I've seen and trying to spare you the time suck.

I'll believe there are normal people when I see it. I think at best you may find 1 in a trillion decent people who are doing the same experiment I did, but the odds of finding that person through the tidalwave of human garbage is certainly not worth the effort, especially when going outside and meeting people is a billion times easier and results in 100% better relationships overall because it was done naturally and not in a weird, extremely forced, almost arranged marriage like fashion.

Getting a stat sheet isn't how you meet someone, it should not feel like you're applying for a job.

>>18508764
I was>>18508755
but a lot of those women who are like "fleshlights are weird" see vibrators differently because vaginas aren't well built for sex and sexual pleasure and therefore it's acceptable for women to seek extra help. Penis's are "easy" though and should not require any extra assistance getting off.

Again, I'm not in this camp of thinking, but that's the mental gymnastics I hear from them. I think it's hypocritical too.

>>18508764
Not very much. To be honest, I find the concept of sex toys weird in general. I don't own any. It's just a personal thing.

>>18508771
Also again, the whole "men should be independent and masculine and not need help for anything, but women are frail and dainty so it's only expected they need assistance." thing.

To anyone, I guess:

My main concern about dating is that I might be too... Unexciting. I can be interesting and funny and keep a conversation. That's the easy part. I just think I give off too much of a friend vibe instead of "potential romantic partner". Lack of sexual tension is probably a pretty big factor...

What should I change or focus on to make sure I'm not subtly sabotaging my dating efforts?

>>18507985
>ever been to demonstration?

I don't know what that is. Also, the 5+ kids thing is a lot, but I don't care. I want a big family and I can support a big family.

Maybe I could find a rural girl from the Bible Belt? I'm not so religious myself but I'm fine with converting to whatever religion my wife practices.

Finding a younger girl is easy, but finding one who wants many kids is hard.

>>18508774
Don't second guess yourself so much, if you think she's getting sexually flirty, she likely is so reciprocate to around the same degree.
And don't be afraid to get a little flirty yourself. Careful of crossing any boundaries and make sure you're in the right mood for it, but overall I usually see guys with your problem tend to just second guess common sense.
Don't think about it so hard, move on instinct. If you fuck up and she's not down, she's not gonna throw an absolute fit so long as you're working up gradually enough. She'll just push you away and make an excuse to leave.
If this does happen as well, do not get too beat up about it. It's a learning experience, fail faster as the japanese say. The more you do it, the better you'll be at reading the social and physical cues.

>>18508774
Whip out your dick on the table and tell that bitch to suck it. That'll make things exciting as long as your dick is big. Trust me I've seen this in porn, people around you will start cheering.

Females: In your own words, what is it like to be a woman?

>>18508783
Reminded me of the Bo Burnham line
"Then whip out your dick and let the girl you love decline the offer." lol

>>18508771
girl, I really don't want to meet the people you're talking about ever in my life

Since this is the closest thing to qtddtot
How do I stop thinking about death when I hit even a minor setback?

>>18508788
Socially, great. Everything is handed to me and I can usually live a pretty easy comfortable life without that much work or effort.

>Physically
hell. Vaginas suck. Tits suck. The female form just fucking sucks. It's usually always in some degree of pain.

>>18508792
Yeah, thankfully you never really do. You only ever really see these people shitposting on 4chan, and I highly suspect they're just dudes trolling anyway.
But I'm sure there are actual women who think this way, but thankfully they are very few and the majority of the population laughs at them.

Girls don't like me, not even when I lower my standards to as low as they can be. I'm thinking of going MGTOW at this point (I know, I thought MGTOW was bullshit too). I'm only 21 years old and think it could enhance my life because I'm passionate about things and avoiding women could give me more time to focus on my passions and develop better skills. I feel like this would in one way improve my life but is also a terrible idea because I'm young now and it's the easiest time to get a gf.

What do I do? Pls help

>>18508794
Seek professional help because dr. 4chan's PHD in psychology is drawn in purple crayon and should not be used as a substitute for a genuine doctor.

>>18508794
any change in thinking requires a lot of time and some effort.
force your thoughts the next time it happens and think of something else instead. as the months will pass, you'll think more about the new thing instead of the old one. The amount of effort will also decrease.

>>18508802
I probably shouldnt reply to this b8 but you've made up your mind. You've given up and nothing any of us tell you will ever make you feel better or change your mind. So do exactly what you set out to do. Give up, never talk to women, never try to date, never do anything. Just focus on yourself and your work and tune out women, fap whenever you feel lonely.

There's what you do.

>>18508804
don'tyou fucking belittle my favourite crayon

>>18508795
This is obviously a dude LARPing

>>18508815
Hey man it's mine too but the truth is purple crayon cannot be trusted. I was betrayed too I know, it's hard when something you love so much hurts you that bad.

I don't have any social hobbies and there are none I have any interest in. How do I get out of my house or away from the garage and meet people/women without being inauthentic? Keep in mind I'd rather stay home or shoot myself than resort to online dating.

>>18508811
It's honestly not bait anon and I realize how ridiculous the whole MGTOW thing is. I just want someone to tell me I'm being a faggot and should keep trying desu... but I don't know how to improve with girls.

>be tall and thin
>have passion/skills and will probably make money
>can't meet girls and when I do it fails

Has anyone tried Tinder?

My girlfriend and I are having trouble having sex.

She's not a virgin, but I'm big, and she's extremely tight, and I can't get it inside her. She said it hurts even when I put a finger inside. I've even tried going down on her for a long time to get her relaxed, and she gets really wet, but i still can't get it in.

I know sometimes in these kind of situations you have to push it in hard at first, but even that's difficult to do because I find it hard to keep a full boner when I've got a condom on and it's not inside–and it kills the mood a little when you keep trying but it doesn't happen.

She said she thinks maybe there's something wrong with her because she said it's almost like it tenses up down there. Is this something that different positions could help? We've tried missionary and her on top with no success.

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>>18508818
I promise I'm a woman.

I mean, at least in America we're even handed citizenship without having to do anything more for it. Men have to sign up for selective service before they're given the same rights I'm just handed when I turn 18.
But socially there's a lot more. I've always known if something is difficult, I can just give the puppy dog eyes to some guy and usually his biological desire to protect the woman will kick in and I'll get help.
It's also much easier for me to resign myself to a stay at home housewife/parent than it is for a man. Meaning the likelyhood I'll have to work a stressful job for money is much lower than that of a man.

And fucking hormones man. You gotta go through the fucking period hell 7 days a month, sometimes more. I know for me I get 3 weeks of bullshit. I start cramping and bloating 1 week before I start bleeding, then the cramping intensifies all that week, and then the week after I stop bleeding there is still lingering soreness (particularly in the breasts) and emotional symptoms. So I really only get 1 week a month to feel normal.
(And yes, I've done the pill and tweaked the dosage a dozen times, this is as good as I've gotten.)

The fear of pregnancy is also extremely anxiety inducing. I can never have sex in peace knowing I have the potential to fuck up my whole body, likely permanently, but at least for 9-10 months and then go through what is arguably the worst pain known to existence. Its exhausting.

>>18508830
Confidence. This is the same advice I'm sure you've been given a billion times before but it's just the cold hard truth. Women are attracted to confident men. You have to be confident with yourself before women will come to you.

If you want to be told to get up and keep trying, I'm telling you to. Your failures are helping you. You learn from them, get the experience, and apply what you've learned next time. But you gotta trust and love yourself first.

Humour, how much does it matter in your relationships girls? My sense of humour is very dry and sometimes dad tier.

>>18508835
You seem to have a rare quantity of self-awareness for a woman

Honestly, the number one reason, and sometimes the only reason why I prefer being male is the "privilege" of peeing through a penis instead of leaking out of a hole.

But if women get pregnant they can just get an abortion if they want. If a man gets someone pregnant, the basically have zero rights, but potentially all of the responsibilities of parenthood.

>>18508788
Socially, fine, I suppose. People aren't nervous etc. around me. It is slowly soul crushing, being treated as a child by a percentage of the population though, and being declared useless by age 30.
Physically, it's awful.

>>18508847
Yeah I have had the thought from time to time, usually on my period, fuck I wish I were a man.

But then I quickly remember my ideal form of life is extremely difficult for men to pull off due to the social standard on masculinity and femininity and I gain FAR more in both legal and social protection from being a woman. So I'm pretty happy being a woman.

Fuck I wish we were better built for sex though. Wish we had nerve endings all over our pussies like you dudes do. I'd trade the ability to have 2-3 shitty orgasms for that any day.

True, women can just abort it. Not without the serious emotional, social, and physical backlash for that decision though.
In the end though, the ONLY thing legally expected of men though is to foot the bill of the kid. Nothing more, you are not required to take custody or act in any way fatherly for the kid. Socially you might be, but again, due to gender roles you're not supposed to be the "emotional caregiver" anyway.
A mother abandoning her child is still far more socially unacceptable than a father abandoning his child. It's frowned upon for both, but the mother will get far more backlash since she's a "mommy and mommy's love their children more than their own lives"

That is one thing I would trade in a perfect world. If men could be the ones to physically hold the burden of the child, I'd fuck much more freely knowing it's only really my wallet on the line. Don't gotta worry about turning my uterus inside out accidentally while either aborting it or giving birth to it

Women
How easy is it for you to pierce the armor of my handsome looks and stoicism to find the despair and loneliness that lies beneath?

>>18508788
Socially it means not being taken seriously by men. Also, having to get rid of my body hair all the time if I want to look decent, while men don't have to do a thing, gets frustrating fast.
Physically, I spend a quarter of my life bleeding out of my vagina and having to worry about that. It also means that if I want to have children I have to worry about the whole pregnancy thing, and the effects it'll have on my body. Also, a bit of panic whenever my period is late.
Oh, and I take the pill because I really don't want to get pregnant, and ironically it kills my libido. I asked my gynecologist about it and she said "That's just how it is". So in order to have sex I kill my desire to have sex. Awesome.

>>18508886
>Socially it means not being taken seriously by men.
I think people kind of undervalue how much other women contribute to this. Like in my first engineering classes the gender distribution was much more even, but there were a disturbing number of women who just tried to leech off of a guys homework like it was fucking highschool all over again. Naturally when tests came around they just flunked out. So did a lot of men for the record, but they never tried to exploit their sexuality because it wasn't even an option.

Then the women that were competent sort of have this stigma left over because of that. Those are my experiences anyways.

>>18508863
>Wish we had nerve endings all over our pussies like you dudes do. I'd trade the ability to have 2-3 shitty orgasms for that any day.
Most men only have 2-3 shitty orgasms a day with normal sex or masturbation. But surely un-circumcised men can feel a lot more and sex is more pleasurable for them.

Ever found your G spot? I've been told it can be stimulated by sticking 2 fingers into the pussy, palm facing up, and curling them up and over in a 'come hither' motion.

But not all women have them or can get orgasm form them. The prostate is supposedly the male G spot, and I tried stimulating mine, but it just make it feel like I'm about to piss and cum at the same time, but nothing more, and I'm not keen on sticking anything up my ass except my own finger while int he shower.

>>18508886
>Socially it means not being taken seriously by men.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE WHY ARENT I GETTING MORE ATTENTION

What does love mean to you?

>>18508897
>G spot
oh god no. No penetration has ever felt good (may not always be terrible, but never good), particularly not fingers. Fingers are the worst because nails and because the skin on your hands is so rough.

But who knows, I guess since I've never hit that spot I'll never know. All I know is I get about knuckle deep with one finger and want to quit because it sucks so bad and is that unappealing. Nothing dries my pussy up faster than fingering.

>About to piss and cum at the same time
That's kind of what penetration feels like for me, except instead of cum it's shit. I usually hate the feeling of having a dick inside me because it just feels like I have to take a dump and piss myself. Too much pressure on the bowels and bladder.

>>18508906
physical protection, economic safety and stability
without these i don't think love can continue to be honest

>>18508895
Yeah, women undercut each other far more than I've ever seen men.
Like, I'll tell you what, I've been called a slut/whore by FAR more women than men. I've also been assaulted by more women than men in my life.

>>18508917
What kind of woman calls another woman a slut?

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>>18508906
Love is a spiritual state of being that is the confluence of compassion and gratitude.

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>>18508919
Honest slut like creepy doesn't even mean anything anymore most of the time. It's practically just codeword for "I don't like you". I've seen women that fucked half the neighborhood try to call another woman a slut, and this is from the POV of a guy.

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>>18508912
And here guys is an example of how females will completely miss the point of anything you ask or tell them, and instead just react to their own emotions.

>>18508919
The kind who is angry that the guy she likes didn't like her back and chose another woman over her

Then again, guys tend to do this too though. They get butthurt a woman chose some other guy over them so they call that other guy "chad" or an asshole/douche.

>>18508919
Most of them
Same for guys, you're more likely to be accused of little-dick syndrome by another dude than a chick.

>>18508932
"I am entitled to women and should have to provide nothing to be with her"
go back to back to pol virgin

>>18508912
That's not what he asked.

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>>18508941
Idk why that isn't a valid answer. What does love mean to you?
they think love means you're protected and safe.

>>18508946
>What does love mean to you?
Primarily? Fundamental understanding and empathy.
>physical protection, economic safety and stability
This is something you require of an employer, not a spouse.

>>18508950
>This is something you require of an employer, not a spouse.
Why don't you quit your job, become a NEET and become a few inches shorter so you're below 5'8
see if your cute girlfriend stays with you then.

>>18508950
Well I think it's valid.
I don't want to be in a relationship where we're scraping pennies living paycheck to paycheck, deciding if we can go without electric or water this month to pay the other bills instead. I don't want to be in a relationship where I am the only monetary provider and have to shoulder that stress all by myself. I don't think I could love a person in those circumstances.

I don't think I could love someone who I was afraid of, or that I didn't think I could rely on. If you wouldn't lay your life down for your partner, do you really care about them?

You seem to not be thinking that these things would go both ways. You both have to provide financial security for each other. You both have to provide physical security for each other.

Instead you got so triggered thinking they were saying "MAN HAS TO WORK AND PROTECT WOMAN SIT ON ASS AND DO NOTHING"

>>18508869
I want to know damn it

>>18508961
>>18508967
You're still missing the point.
>What does love mean to you?
Is not
>What do you require of someone in order to consider them a candidate for a relationship
You are literally saying "I will marry anyone who is on salary and has healthcare".

>>18508961
Stability is a requirement for a long term relationship and so is love, but that does not mean stability is love. This is logic on par with a child.

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>>18508938
There it goes again: The question was "What does love mean" and it flew right over her head; she instead reflected her shallow solipsism by instead thinking of "What does a man have to do to deserve my love" and never stopped to reflect on what love itself even means.

>>18508969
There are more aspects to it than just that, but financial and physical stability and security is as necessary for love as the other things.
You're really just pissy they didn't spell out the entire list, which could easily be out of the character limit. Stability is just one of the things that make up the emotion of love.

>>18508906
That's a good question. I guess... someone who makes me happy, and they make me want to make them happy too. Maybe that's simplistic, but it's the best way I can think to put it into words.

>>18508971
Love is the ability to feel stable and secure with someone. You know you're in love when you can see a future together because you have the trust and faith they can help you financially, emotionally, and physically.

>>18508831
Bump

>>18508979
Necessary for love, yes, that's all well and dandy, but you still haven't said what it actually means to you when you've met someone that fits those basic requirements. You haven't discussed anything beyond "he needs to be able to provide." Nothing about the actual emotion, or the connection the two of you share.

>>18508986
Again, you're very triggered thinking this is one sided. Love is when you provide for each other and WANT to provide for each other.

Instead of getting autistic screetching "WOMEN ARE USELESS WHOOOOREESS" you actually want to provide for the person you love, and they want to provide for you

>>18508984
>Love is the ability to feel stable and secure with someone
I can feel quite secure and stable with someone without loving them. A nice but boring person fills that niche quite well.

>>18508987
That's it?

>>18508984
>>18508988
Sounds like a decent roommate, not a lover.

>>18508988
Well, then your opinion of what love is is different than fine. Funnily enough if you read the OP, it was what is /YOUR/ opinion on it. So you know, there are no wrong or right answers anon. We can both be right, we can both be wrong
>>18508989
More or less. That's what it all boils down to.
>I want a guy who makes me laugh
>why?
>Because it makes me happy
>Why
>Because being happy makes me feel safe and secure in life
>So you want a guy who makes you laugh to feel secure.

Not rocket science.

>>18508990
Idk what roommates you have that provide for you like a lover would but can I have them? Because all my roommates would rather boot me to the curb than ever help me pay my share of the rent if I had something happen to my finances, even if I would do everything in my power to help them should they ever fall on hard times.

How does female attraction work? Do girls check out guys like guys do, even if not to the same extent?

>>18509005
Yeah more or less. But probably not the same amount.
Chicks are usually less visual than guys. Yeah we appreciate a good looking dude, but that dude will not really get our panties soaked unless he's got the personality and charm.

>>18509005
Basically what >>18509008 said. I can appreciate a good-looking guy, but it's really hard to overlook a bad personality.

>>18509008
>>18509014
How do you define a good personality? Funny, confident and shit?

How do you know if someone is confident?

>>18509018
Confidence is big, and usually you can tell to a degree based on how he carries himself. A good sense of humor is a plus, but self-esteem and passion are my major requirements.

>>18508936
>accused of little-dick syndrome by another dude

Who says this?

Girls,

Do you actually believe you have to put the same effort dating as males?
Your checklist
>look good and approachable
Male checklist
>look just as good
>have a lot of attractive personality traits
>be smart
>be just enough of a dick to be charming without being mean
>be intelligent
>have a car and a stable income

>>18509031
my gut tells me its more of an insecurity thing
i.e someone doesn't want to be seen as this or that, so they're quick to accuse someone else of it so that they're the one seen as this or that.

Like the use of incel or beta as an insult. Ive only ever known of incels/betas calling other people incels/betas.

>>18509005
All that matters is how much money he makes.

>>18509037
>Do you actually believe you have to put the same effort dating as males?
... No? It's piss easy to get a date as a woman. I'm like a 3/10 on a good day and even I could probably find a guy willing to go out with me if I tried. Where do you hear otherwise?

Do you want to get married?

>>18509037
Not the same effort, but my effort is focused on other things. It's not my fault though, if that's what you're trying to insinuate.

>>18509040
this. when ever I go clubbing I always lie about what I do
before when I said I was an anncountant making 60k i'd get laid maybe 20% of the time. which admittedly isnt even that bad.
claiming to be a project manager on double that, women literally start throwing themselves at you. you just need to be good looking also.

>>18509044
Maybe someday. I wouldn't want kids, though.

>>18509037
You forgot actually approach the woman opening yourself to rejection and ridicule

>>18509005
Looks are not as important to us as they are to men. Learn that our brains are not wired the same as yours. Just dress nicely keep clean have goals and confidence treat us well.. but don't be doormats and you're good. We want a man who leads and protects and could provide a family.

Also learn there are shit women out there but don't lump us good ones in there with them. Only easy sluts put out early. Good women wait.

>>18509044
Man here
Definitely

>>18509045
Do you mean effort in your looks?

>>18508968
Please

>>18509074
He should love me. I am entitled to it.

>>18508869
>>18508968
Why do you feel despair and loneliness?

>>18509063
Why does every man need to be an a competitive guy focused on the rat race to even get a girl?

It's always have goals and shit. What if I don't want to kill myself slaving away 60 ours a week for a fucking cunt just for a chance at becoming the cunt?

>>18509083
Do you want highly attractive women with big breasts? Get back to work.

>>18509079
Please.

Gym 3 days a week
Cardio 3 days a week
Skincare in the morning and before bed
General grooming like trimming eyebrows and shaving

Lots of men do things like these and we still have the "women have to work sooo hard for their looks :(" meme because taking 20 minutes away to put on some makeup apparently is comprable to 6 days a week of intense physical exercise

>>18509082
Because I lack the confidence to put myself out there and continually let myself down despite all that I have going for me

>>18509089
I want woman of roughly the same attractiveness as me that loves me for how I am and not because of my job

Which apparently is impossible since women only see a paycheck and an associated status when they see a man

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>>18509098
What type of women do you usually attract?

>>18509103
>What type of women do you usually attract
Implying women have to attract jack shit rather than sit back and pick the one they like the most.

>>18508356
Girls will pick their bf by entirely different criterias.

>>18508466
>ldr
I see you like to inflict emotional pain on yourself. Find a real bf FROM YOUR LOCATION!

>>18508781
Because we live in era where first kid is birthed at 30. And mortality is super low. Tell them you want 2 kids and then see for yourself if you will want 3rd.

>>18508829
I hope your gun is ready then.

>>18508831
You have to train her. One finger at a time. Do oral sex in the mean time. Every orgasm try insert finger again. Make her lie in your imbrance (you hugging her from behind), closed eyes and just relax. There are muscles in vagina and when she is nervous, nothing can penetrate her at all. Make her feel relaxed. Make her cum via clit as many times as it takes. And strech. Sooner or later she will get used to it.

Also send her to gynocolog. And train. Slowly but surely. The problem is mainly in her head. Make her forget she has to have penetration. Cuddle the shit out of her and train. In few weeks it should get better.
>inb4 never orgasmed
Time to buy magic wand then. And get bottle of lube too.

Practice makes perfect. Make her relaxed. And go to gyno with her. Try google reverse kegel excercise for her.

>>18509037
Women have to put in less effort, but that's not necessarily a good thing. If a woman is not attractive she's got no alternative pathways to appealing to a man because it's so overwhelmingly important to them. She could be rich, famous, successful, put in huge amounts of effort into her education, career, finances, skills and talents, etc, but it wouldn't help her love life because looks trump everything for a woman.

Your mistake is thinking that the 'male checklist' is a list of requirements rather than a list of options. You can look good OR be rich OR be high status OR be charismatic, any one of those things is enough to be popular with women. Appreciate the fact that your effort will actually pay off with the opposite sex and that you have the rest of your life to improve yourself, since you aren't considered past your expiry date at 25.

>>18508219
6 inch is perfect

I met a girl on tinder who has the same kink as me, pretty specific, and we talked a lot about it, what we would do to eachother etc. I asked her to meet, and she hasn't responded. Can I salvage this in any way or should I just drop it?

Is it a good sign, that femchad, who I catched quite often looking to me on other occasions, keeps deeply looking in my eyes while both of us are laughing during lecture? I dont know, cuz everytime I giggled (I do laugh quite often) she giggled too, so it could be just uncomfyness? But why then on other ocassions she's absolutely ignoring me ? In my teen-years girls usually approacbed me more or less directly (benefits of being a grade clown..) so Im a bit confused and overwhelmed about the whole situation..

Dating is shit I hate women and I hate myself and I hate competing with men too everything in the world is shit and none of its getting better. I have a small dick, bad social skills and I just hate life outside my hobbies. When will WWIII start so I can go off and get used as canon fodder in the war?

>>18509037
I think that women have it easier when it comes to dating then men do, but it is really just biology.

I also think you are exaggerating a lot - men don't have to try THAT hard to get a date, and women don't just have to look good to stay into a stable relationship.

How do I meet a trap who wil fug my ass? Asking unironically because lgbt is offended when you asks this.

>>18508782
Ah. Flirting. Not exactly something that comes naturally to me. I should make it more of a priority. That's probably the real key here

On my last date there was no sexual tension, largely because there was no flirting coming from either of us. Felt platonic.

I can't trust my instincts because the pattern I've fallen into on dates is to keep conversation going, be funny when possible, and just survive the evening. Flirting just doesn't come to mind at all

>>18509373
All the efforts on keeping a relationship are always on the part of the man because the woman can just fuck off and get another dude within the week.

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>>18509362
I give girls 2 tries. And evading question is considered as half rejection. So you still have 3 invites on dates left max.

Wait 18 hours and chat her up again.

>>18509363
Ask her what is she doing at weekend. And then tag alone or invite her to dinner. Buy condoms or be teen and pregnant.
>you have nothing to lose by talking to her

>>18509370
You can enlist anytime.
>i bet you are so fat not even ISIS would employ you as suicide bomber
And as far as small dick go >>18508252
Maybe go meet train to end the suffering.

>>18509376
Grinder. You dont need them to pretend they are girl. Just accept your homosexuality already!

>>18509396
Have you ever been in a relationship that lasted more than a couple of weeks?

It is very easy for a woman to find a man willing to fuck them, it is much harder to find someone willing to date them and be committed to them unless they go for very desperate men.
If you want a relationship to last long term, and ultimately if you want to be happy in it, you have to put a lot of effort in it.

I get that you hate women and such, but really if you try to approach the dating world like a normal human being probably you'd have greater success.

>>18509400
>Have you ever been in a relationship that lasted more than a couple of weeks?
Yes.

>If you want a relationship to last long term, and ultimately if you want to be happy in it, you have to put a lot of effort in it.
Efforts such as?

>things are boring
>it's his fault for not thinking up stuff
>sex is bad
>it's his fault for not knowing how to please a woman
>money is short
>it's his fault for working a dead end job
>she needs help
>he has to support her no matter what's going through his life

Oh yes, it is very even. In exchange to have to smile at him and say I love you every once in a while.

Is it a good strategy to work really hard in your 20s and wait until late 20a to focus on girls?

>>18509416
If you're a loser in your early 20s, then sure. Otherwise there's no reason you can't do both.

>>18509408
>Efforts such as?
I've been with my boyfriend for a pretty long while, 8 years and 6 months (today).
First, I put effort into keeping us communicative, go out of my way to make sure we still have fun together (plan fun dates, buy us trips abroad, find activities to do, etc). I do other super basic things like staying physically attractive and taking care of his sexual needs.
I like to make sure he doesn't have to basically do anything at home (I cook, clean, do the laundry) even if we both work full time jobs. I always take care of him emotionally and make sure he always feels loved and cared for.
I also supported him financially for 3 years, paid off his student loans so he could pay me off without interests later on and did anything he asked me to do ever.

He is an amazing boyfriend, too.

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>>18509416
There are two types of people:
Manly men who dont give a shit about what others do or think about them and bitches.

All you need to do is to decide what you want and rest will be hopefully solved in the long term.

Wanna have sex? Pursure girls. Wanna have wife? Work on yourself and pursue girls too, but in different ways.

>>18509424
You are replying to memers. They have given up on life or are just underaged master baiters. Pick your 4chan battles more wisely. You cant win unless you use their own weapons: fallacies, hyperboles and memes. Pic very much related.

Call him virgin or better yet ignore.

>>18509424
>oh look st me I'm such a perfect and good girlfriend

You either a) have a mommy syndromes and want to nurture him b) are wildly exaggerating what you've done for him or c) straight up lying

Either way it wouldn't change shit since what you do isn't representative of the majority of women which work like I said before. No effort whatsoever on the relationship since they're the little princess, no effort whatsoever looking for a partner, no effort whatsoever in sex, etcétera

>>18509434
I just love him and enjoy taking care of him, like he loves me and enjoys taking care of me. He does a lot for me and he is pretty amazing. We're not perfect by any means, but we're pretty cool and in love with each other.

All normal people in all normal relationship do the same things for each other - my parents, my grandparents, my friends.
I'm sorry if your experience is so depressing.
Try being a better person so you can attract better women. If the majority of your interactions is bad the cause is probably you and not the rest of the world.

>(LDR) boyfriend says to show him my Steam profile
>show it to him, it's empty
>ask to see his
>he refuses
>"You'll start seeing everything I do, and then you might complain that I'm ignoring you"
>tell him that I already think he's playing video games or hanging out with other people when he's not talking to me, but never say anything or complain about it
>"Well, I don't want you to think that"
>start worrying that he's hiding something from me
>he says he's not hiding anything, but there's personal things in the comment section that he doesn't want me to see
>"If you wouldn't want me to see your profile, why would you ask for mine?"
>"Well, I'm sorry I asked."
>"It's too late for that."
>he grudgingly shows it to me (I don't look at the comments as a point of respect), and is obviously in a bad mood the rest of the time we hang out
>feel bad and apologize more than once, he just says "It's whatever" and eventually goes to bed
Am I in the wrong here? It just rubs me the wrong way that he doesn't see anything wrong with simply telling me to show him my profiles (and I pretty much always comply, even when I tell him I'm uncomfortable. I've also shown him most of my inboxes), but it's a problem if I want to see his. I guarantee that if I said I didn't want him to see my Steam profile because there's personal things on it, he'd get suspicious and distrustful and start pressuring me. It's happened more than once, and all but one time I bent over backwards to ease his worries and make him stop. I feel like shit for making him unhappy, but at the same time, I don't get why it's okay for him to do these things, but not me.

>>18509445
There are no better women. There are no good women.

Honestly I don't even blame them but fuck me if I'm getting tangled with them anymore. I am not my fucking paycheck and I am not my fucking career, if those are the only things that matter then they can go to fucking hell.

>>18509448
He is just insecure. You treat people with insecurities as sad children. You either cheer them up, tell them it is nothing to be sad about, that you dont mind or simply leave them alone to sort it out themselves.

You have to learn how to treat people right. Insecurities sooner or later kill all relationships unless at least one of the side learns how to deal with it.

Also
>LDR
Why do you even bothet? Cant you find another insecure qtie bf from your area so you can cuddle and stuff?

>>18509448
I'm firmly against the whole "you have nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide" argument, but at the same time the fact that he gets suspicious of you when the roles are reversed is a little worrisome. Have there been other instances where he was acting this way over something equally innocuous?

>>18509445
why do you keep saying attract? men do not attract women

"Shit bro girls just keep hitting on me it's so annoying" said no fucking man ever

>femanons
Have you ever refused or ignored a request for a date only to be won over with a little persistence or a different approach?

I left a note with my number and the proposition of a coffee date with a woman I like last week but have heard nothing. It seemed like a green light; we knew each other well enough and had flirted a few times with each other but I feel like a damned fool for not just waiting til the next time I see her and asking her face to face. I feel like I should try this before giving up altogether.
>>18509440.

Well, there should be some equity in what you are sharing with each other but bear in mind that different people have different levels of comfort for sharing themselves. It may be a bigger deal for him to reveal things like that.
Obviously he saw the Steam profile exchange a a one-sided deal because there was nothing in yours but if you're saying on a broader scale that you are the one sharing more of yourself via profiles and you're also uncomfortable with that then you ought to just make that clear to him and draw a line with what you share or explain to him that you just want equity and a bit more involvement in his life, presumably because you like him so much.

>>18509448
Nah it's kinda dumb.

>>18509469
Again, there are plenty of very good women. You're just not good enough for them.

Enjoy your life alone, I'm pretty sure we're not missing out.

>>18509477
Men do attract women. I've been attracted to plenty of men.

>>18508130
>ywn cuddle with her
Kill

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>>18507668
>highly refined cuckold detecter that runs on activated almonds

Godspeed anon.

>>18509501
yeah and you just waited for them to hit on you

>>18509398
Well how do I continue after "hey wanna meet up ... etc" with no response?

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>>18507850
AnCap detected

>>18509513
Sometimes. Sometimes I hit on them. Depends.

>>18509501
Where are these good women?
Oh wait, married to rich dudes, woopsie.

>>18509524
Anywhere? I know plenty of pretty good women. All have flaws, but they aren't cunts ruining their boyfriend's lives or anything.

No one I know is married to a rich dude.

Why would a good woman want anything to do with a man like you?

>>18509532
Oh what a coincidence, all these mythical "good women" are all taken.

>>18509514
You wait a day or longer and send something entirely different like
>ever ignored bloke only to find him day later annoying you again? Man i hate that experience.
You habe to learn how to joke about yourself. Every single insecurity of yours can be joked about. It helps to get the convo going.

But ultimately, you need two sides interested to have a chat. She probably isnt interested at all to you.

>>18509532
>Why would a good woman want anything to do with a man like you?
Sick burn femanon. They never realize that nobody wants whiny bitch as a significant other. Let them whine and rot alone. With time they either kys or realize their own stupidity and hopefully fix themselves.
>only if they stopped leaking from r9k to other boards

>>18509540
Well, yes - desirable people are usually dating equally desirable people, and don't just jump from one relationship to the next one or fuck around.
Surprise surprise.

>>18509542
How often do you think women appreciate a little persistence or a different approach if a first, admittedly tentative request to hang out has been made? When does it cross the line into annoyance and creepdom?

>>18509472
We're both pretty insecure, and I think we're both figuring out that there needs to be a high level of vulnerability on both sides if things are going to work out, but it's hard.
>Cant you find another insecure qtie bf from your area so you can cuddle and stuff?
No, I usually don't connect with people in real life that well.

>>18509474
>Have there been other instances where he was acting this way over something equally innocuous?
He's acted like that more than once, yeah. I remember once especially with an account he used years ago for writing/RP stuff. He did end up showing me in the end, but it was like pulling teeth. It's usually like this, but tonight, the directness of the double standard was just far too grating.
It bothers me because I would never ask to see anything that I wouldn't show him if I was in his position.

>>18509480
You're probably right. I get that we might have different levels of comfort with this sort of thing. However, it's almost like he believes my discomfort is invalid and must mean that I'm untrustworthy, while his is completely valid.
If I'm honest, as much as it makes me uncomfortable and anxious, I'm willing to try and put my feelings aside for him for the sake of trust and transparency. The fact that he doesn't necessarily seem to feel the same way for me makes me feel like he's almost taking advantage of me, which sucks because I'm sure that's not the case. He's just a bit more fearful.
I think the next time we talk, I'll tell him "I'm sorry about what happened last night. I feel like I overstepped your boundaries and acted really pushy, and I know how shitty that feels because I've been on the receiving end of it. I think we need a new "thing". Neither of us should ask the other to share anything (profiles, personal stuff, etc) that we wouldn't want to share ourselves. Do you think that will work?".

>>18509546
It is also very convenient.

Where are the good women? They exist, they're just always dating someone else. You don't know them? It's because you're not good enough. Absolutely unfalsifiable.

I have a teapot in orbit, wanna see it?

>>18509558
I am friends with good women, I think I am a pretty good woman, there are plenty of great women in my family.
Say, my boyfriend's mom - her husband died 5 years ago, she's drop dead gorgeous and she's still single and absolutely cannot move on. She's not even that old, she turned 45 this year and has a lot of men (even rich, attractive ones) asking her out.
She's a great mom and goes out of her way to take care of my boyfriend and his brother, she literally didn't eat just to provide for them when they were younger and they struggle financially.

A lot of women are pretty fucking decent, like a lot of men are. It's not hard to meet them, and obviously there aren't good women meet ups where all the good women go to.
It is very convenient to think that everyone else is wrong and they just can't notice how amazing you are, but it is almost never the case.
You're just the same as the club sluts who complain about "where all the good men are".

>>18509550
Who cares how she feels about you? You want gf to fuck/cuddle/marry? Just hit on her silly until she tells you to fuck off, accept the date or your patience runs out. Just have some self respect and once it is clear she doesnt care at all, move on.

Remember, she will never consider you creepy if she finds you attractive / dating worthy material. I am not telling you to behave like asshole, but until you score first date, you have to act a bit like madman and push your luck.

Stop overthinking problems and just write her newest meme if you have to. And whatever happens, dont let it get to you, cut losses short and try again with new girl. Sooner or later you will dig out qtie just for you.

Good luck!

>>18509551
Well i hope you have a plan how to move to each other. Switch jobs, schools or at least take a trip so you can see each other in person. LDR can be defeated if you move together soon.

>>18509563
This is not about me. I am not a good man, or rather, I am not a good man to women so my case is irrelevant.

Your argument is still "hey, if you have never met a good woman in 24 years it's because you are a bad person". Which I'll admit now, but I've been a decent person for a good chunk of my life and I don't remember a single female barring family that was legitimately kind and a good person and not an entitled and self absorbed ass.

>>18509551
If he has any kind of decency he should find that agreeable.
You've already apologised and are being more than fair with your proposal here.

I like the approach of, as you put it, "a new thing". Just a way to wipe the slate and try to be a bit more mindful of keeping balance for a while. Just try not to get *too* caught up in keeping score over such matters.

>>18509566
I fucked up a bit in the first instance...silly, juvenile stuff. I feel like I can make it better face to face but it feels like a bit of an ambush...(I met her at a fitness class that runs a few times a week and I'd have to intercept her after one of those classes).

Anyway, thanks. I think that's what I needed to hear. My mind's made up on a second attempt, I'm just trying to think of the best way to go about it.

Ladies,

If a guy who was trying to date you told you he had never been so attracted to someone in such a short period of time, would you find this endearing or unsettling?

>>18509008
>le visual meme again

STOP
THIS

>>18509583
>ambush
This is how cavemen did it. Ambushed cavegirls, howled, chased the most fat one down, showed her how strong they are by lifting her and carried her screaming to the cave where they had rought sex for the sole purpouse of marking the bitch as his. And after the act he offered her piece of rosted mamoth meat as a apologize and promise of better future if she will tone the screaming down.

Today it is plus minus the same. You just use smile and conversation instead and practically confuse them with your character so much they will walk to your cave willingly. And a big plus is that girls are afraid of saying no when face to face. They have build in fear that you will snap and beat them like the caveman from past. So she will be pressured to agree.

Good luck with your mating ritual!

>>18509594
That sounds bad. Use actions instead of words. Never tell lady you love her first. Buy her flowers and ask her on date instead.