Why is it 'wrong' to improve yourself just to get women ?

Because you're speeding toward a mid-life crisis. Women can sense how desperate you are.

The question is why wouldn't you do any of those things only for yourself? THAT, otoh, is attractive. Do you think you'd be a fucking burnout slob if you didn't grovel for pussy?

>>18495418

There's nothing wrong with improving yourself. Your motivation is flawed. Not that it's a bad thing to want a woman - but if your sole reason for making yourself a better human being is so someone will slob your knob, you're doing it all wrong anyway.

And it probably means once you get slobbed, you'll stop trying to improve. Meaning your basically a desperate piece of shit. Improve yourself because being a worthwhile human being is a good thing, not because your dick is dry.

>>18495431
Not OP, but what if I want some pussy but in my current state cannot do so? It's wrong of me to work towards pussy?

>>18495457

Again, are you working on it solely for that reason? Are you trying to improve your situation so you can live a better life, or are you trying just to hope to impress someone enough to take off their clothes for you at least once?

The desire for pussy isn't bad, it's a fundamental nature hardwired into us to pass on our genetics. But if you're not looking for a relationship, not looking for love or commitment, you're just out there trying to lift so some girls with admire you so you can get laid, it's vanity. And seeking vanity is stupid no matter how attractive, smart, rich or famous you are.

>>18495474
Alright. So, what do I do then if I want to fuck, for the sake of instinct and pleasure, but am currently unable to do so? Nothing?

>>18495497

Prostitutes/escorts are definitely things that exist. Casual sex is fine between consenting couples, again, for the purpose of figuring out life and settling down. You're trying to pin this down as if everything's written down in black and white but it's not.

I'm trying to encourage you to live your life for yourself, to make yourself a better person because it's what YOU need. Not because of some arbitrary goal that can be reached, and then discarded once that goal has been achieved. Like most people who marry and just become incredibly fat because they no longer have to try for anyone, they've settled completely.

I want you to be healthy for yourself, not for the vagina you put on a pedestal.

>>18495509
I've fucked maybe like 35 women in my 26 years of life, 2 if you don't count escorts. They just aren't fulfilling to me my man. I'm saying, I want casual sex, or relationship sex, hell I just want to fuck. Many men do this, all the time, and no one tells them "oh stop thinking about pussy." I'm asking you, if I want pussy, why is it wrong to work towards that? I'm happy with other aspects in my life already, I just want to fuck.

>>18495418
None of what you mentioned is wrong, because all of that is good for you. It's stupid if you force yourself to do things that are self-destructive or miserable just because you think it'll help you get girls. Like if you spend all your money at nightclubs trying to get laid, or if you pick a career that you hate just because you think girls like it. People do all sorts of stupid shit trying to get laid.

But it sounds like you're making positive improvements to your health, lifestyle, and career. So it doesn't really matter WHY you're doing it. If the thought of pussy gets you out of bed in the morning & motivates you to work hard, then keep dreaming of pussy. Whatever works

Because after you find out that the women you attract aren't even women that care about you, you'll spiral into a existential crisis and realize that your entire life is worthless because you based it off someone as vapid as women. Chad and wanna be beta orbiters like to pretend that how many women you can stick your pee-pee in is what really matters is life. It's not. It's prodigy and accomplishment. Neither of which will happen solely because you look less ugly and fucked a bunch of thirst hoes.

>>18495523

>many men do this, all the time
>no one tells them oh stop thinking about pussy

>many people voted for Trump/Hilary
>doesn't mean it's right, even if no one's telling them otherwise

You're also asking from an experienced standpoint, which is not most people on this board. There aren't tons of chads and lady lovers trolling the board looking for a good time. It's usually the introverted, socially awkward guys and occasional girl who are struggling with coming to terms with what's right and what society says is right.

I was going to type out a big paragraph about how sex without an emotional connection is unfulfilling, but figured I'd skip past that since most people haven't fucked 5 girls, let alone 1. If you just want to fuck, relationships would be something you're seeking, or at the very least a friend with benefits.

Also, just because you're happy with where you are doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. I could be happy sitting at my computer and jacking off every night, but that doesn't mean I can't try harder to socialize and reach out to new people for a companionship. It's about relative goals, the status of your life, why you're seeking what you're seeking in the first place.

Are you actually seeking casual sex? No, because you seem to discount prostitutes or escorts who are literal sources of pussy. You're seeking a companion whom you can fuck regularly without having to worry about the complications of other people, other competition, where you can have a satisfying climax or two. You want a relationship, but without the bullshit of a relationship where you two have to meet at a middle ground. You want someone you can pound and get your rocks off and that's the deal.

We all want that, but life doesn't work that way unless you've built up the trust and love of someone who thinks and actively wants things similarly to yourself. So you want a relationship.

>>18495418
Eh I don't think many people are talking about those things when they say "don't change yourself just for a woman"
If it is something that objectively benefits you as a whole, getting in shape, getting a better job, whatever, that's fine. Fuck the reason, it helps you in the long run whether you get a woman or not.

It's those subjective things that people do to change themselves just for a woman,
"I quit playing video games even though I really enjoy them because I want women to like me"
"I pretend to enjoy whatever it is she likes because then we'll have more in common, even though I actually hate that activity"
Or even things like,
"I quit my well paying job that I loved to take a job I hate just because it pays slightly better" Honestly, if you're going to spend 40+ hours a week at a place, you might as well not hate it. A "better" job does not always mean better paying.

>>18495418
>is it wrong to improve yourself to get women?
no, improving yourself is probably the right way to get women

>is it wrong to improve yourself for marriage?
it's wrong not to improve yourself for marriage

>>18495552
What is wrong with wanting to have sex regularly? What is wrong with wanting that more than wanting to "improve" myself, which is subjective anyway. I don't want companionship, I have friends, I want booty calls, so I guess yes, a casual relationship. Hell I'd take a serious one as long as sex is involved, and often. People do this all the time without trust or love, hell the 19 year old girls at my job talk about it as though it's something everyone has. Why is it they are allowed it, but you are saying it is wrong of me to seek it?

Also, how would I go about attaining this without trying to make myself more appealing? You seem to be discounting over half the population, to whom regular, casual sex is normal. It is not for myself, and much of 4chan, yes, but that is why we, or at least myself, are here, to get to that point.

>>18495418
It's not wrong, it's just a shallow desire. What are you gonna do once you get the women and realize you have no idea who the fuck you are?

>>18495418
No OP. I married relatively young, and while I love my wife dearly, I know now I should have banged many more types of women before I opened myself up to love. You will not regret optimizing your potential to have sex with women, as long as you are safe about it. As a caveat, your looks will only get you an interview with an attractive woman - if you are a total fucking autist you will not sleep with them most of the time.

>>18495509
Sex in exchange of money its garbage, I rather get it in exchange of attention.

>>18495474
I just want some fucking pussy. Its not like I'm making a life career out of it. I dont see why its bad to try to work for something that provides a temporary relief. Pussy isnt a big deal to me only until I go a certain length of time without it, then I get it and revert back to whatever I was doing in life before I hit a dry spell patch. So long as pussy isnt filling some deeper void then I dont see it as wrong to work towards getting it. Women are picky as shit and unfortunately get turned on for the opposite reasons of guys, so I would think that a guy would naturally try to adjust himself to appeal more to getting laid.

>>18495523
This, I dont have some deep ass reason why I want pussy. I'm simple. I simply want to fuck, its the same as filling my belly when hungry.

>>18495529
You actually sound like you have common sense. Everybody on this fucking board and beyond expect you to completely like shit that's out of your comfort zone just to get laid. A gf or wife yes, but I just want pussy and I highly doubt I need to turn myself into some gym ripped bro dude who meditates in his free time and loves club hopping when I'm the 100% opposite of that.

>>18495418
It's simple.


You're a man, so everything you do is wrong.

>>18495601
That's what I told the twelve year old because I knew she didn't have any money!

>>18495427
slob for sure

>>18495418
Because woman can still reject you. If you get married and then divorced at least half of your money is instantly gone meaning half the work you did was for nothing.

You need to find happiness in yourself, not in other people