How do you meaningfully counter sociopathy in women

>>18473719
Why do you want to stay with her?
It seems unhealthy.

>>18473719
Dump her.
Have heard the expression "never stick dick on crazy" your position it's exactly why it's a good expression.

>>18473722
The healthy/unhealthy thing is inapplicable when it comes to us.

>>18473727
No, it is applicable in general. Your relationship seems deeply unhealthy and it seems like it is making both of you miserable.
Why do you want to stick with it?

>>18473726
That's exactly what she wants me to do.


She wants to be able to leave. The only problem with that, the reason why it won't happen, is because cognitively she doesn't have the capacity to understand how it will actually end up affecting her in the future.

To give an idea of what I mean, I am tempted to say she has some sort of neurological issue. That's how bad it is.

I cannot, and will not, let her go so she can become destroyed by reality. That's the point where I lose my conscience. But also, it's impossible for me to disrespect myself, as in allowing her to get a taste of the real world and how she will feel in a year or so, and then come back to me.

So that's the trickiness of my situation. Because I understand forcing someone not to stay, naturally, but in this case it's just that it really is not in her best interest.

She is incredibly lucky to have me in her life because for some reason I happen to actually care about her and love her and have her best interests and wellbeing in mind. No one else does.

Sorry, long posts. I'll keep em shorter.

>>18473727
>i'm an idiot
okay have fun ignoring the only sensible advice you're going to get

>>18473732
For some couples, it is not applicable.

Not all relationships are just cheese tasting. Some have codependency built into them in an inextricable way.

>>18473734
why do you still give a fuck what happens to this subhuman cunt?

let her fucking go. jesus christ, never mind this bitch, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>18473736
>Only has read 2 posts from OP because I only posted 2 posts when he made that response
>tries to talk about sensibility

That's wew specific

>>18473737
>Some have codependency built into them in an inextricable way.
Yes, and those relationships are unhealthy.

Relationships aren't only about love, anon. I can tell you love and care about this girl, but you shouldn't stay in a relationship with her because of that. You should stay in a relationship with that if that makes you a better, happier, stronger person - it seems like this relationship is making you weaker, more miserable and you just allow each others' worse.

>>18473740
I have spent the most meaningful, intimate, innocent moments of my life with her. Also the tallest moments of my life. She's the only person who's ever given be unconditional love, despite it apparently only being momentary.

The life we lived together was the closest thing to a living dream. She's the only thing left from the ruins that isn't fundamentally broken.

She doesn't know what she's doing. Lately she thinks she does, but really, she just doesn't know. Doesn't understand long term consequence/cause and effect. My conscience is very deeply intertwined into her soul. To let her die would be to kill myself.

>>18473744
That's what I mean, not all relationships are about being with someone who makes you a better, happier, or stronger person.

You believe this because you are sheltered. Not everyone gets this luxury.

>>18473741
you're clearly brain damaged so it might well be pointless to get this through to you, but you've given anyone reading more than enough information to know that "fucking leave her" is the single and only sensible piece advice to give you.

but you aren't going to do the only thing you're supposed to do in this situation, so good luck being a fucking idiot.

>>18473719
She's really a sociopath to the T, and my advice would resound what others have said: leave, no point on staying and damaging yourself further. There should be another relationship that's build in cooperation in warmth than this one.

Now I understand sometimes it's unavoidable to deal with sociopath for one of other circumstances, by experiences should you have no choice but stick with them: keep it professional strictly, have contracts, legal mumbo jumbo, written and recorded proof, so each one of you function as described and hold your each ends of bargain.
Sucks, but that's I found to be the safest and healty way to deal with them.

>>18473753
What I mean when I say it's specific is that this response lacks the exactly specificity required for my situation.

Yeah, in general 'just leaving her' would be a good idea, but this situation is an exceptional one.

Which is why I'm on 4chan right now rather than some place where actually brain damaged people congregate, like reddit. But I guess 4chan has been reddit for a while now so what can I do.

>>18473760
I specifically cannot do that though.


Look guys I know it's frustrating that everyone's going to repeat the same thing and I will continually deny it, but seriously, just try to come up with something a little more creative. Just try. I miss non reddit 4chan.

>>18473734
>She wants to be able to leave. The only problem with that, the reason why it won't happen, is because cognitively she doesn't have the capacity to understand how it will actually end up affecting her in the future.
>Because I understand forcing someone not to stay, naturally, but in this case it's just that it really is not in her best interest.

Bullshit rationalization everywhere. You don't want to break up with her because you're worried that you cannot get someone like her in the very near future. By leaving the door open, even though you're separated, you have something to look forward to every single day. Maybe tomorrow you two will get back together! But if you directly break up with her, which is obviously what she wants, then you have to go back to finding someone again. You will have to make an online dating profile and get rejected a dozen times. Which is hard.

Break up with her and pretend she doesn't exist. That's the counter.

>>18473752
I think that all relationships worth staying in make you a better, stronger, healthier person in the long run, yes.
Your relationship isn't worth it. I get you love her, I get she loved you, but you need to get out and move on with your life.

I was in a relationship that was deeply codependent. He had mental issues, I had a saviour complex. We had been together for over 3 years. We made each other worse.

I know what you are feeling, but
1) it never gets better
2) you will never be happy if you stay
3) you cannot save her from herself
4) she can never be happy if you stay
5) you can be happy if you decide to move on and improve yourself.

>>18473766
>Bullshit rationalization everywhere. You don't want to break up with her because you're worried that you cannot get someone like her in the very near future.
First of all, she's like a 4.5 and I'm, conservatively, very conservatively, probably to a masochistic degree, a low 7.
Second, I hung out with a girl who is in practically every way more desirable than her just last night. I have hung out with around 7 or so girls in the 2 and a half months we've been apart and could have laid or begun dating any of those girls without effort.

I cannot however experience the same dream life I had with her, mainly due to me just being too old now. Even if I somehow found that with another woman, I still could not escape my conscience. She is still in the world and she will still live a suffering life.

>>18473769
>I think that all relationships worth staying in make you a better, stronger, healthier person in the long run, yes.

Can you not read. You're sheltered. It's as simple as 'not everyone gets what you consider a 'worthwhile' relationship'. Because those are luxuries.

The majority of relationships in the world occur out of necessity. This unhealthy/healthy thing is honestly laughable and just downright spoiled if you think it's a good arguing point.

Like get fucking real. Codependency is just the rule and the only reason a personal would have the emotional fortitude to be able to go from person to person is because A) their relationships are shallow and B) because they are sheltered pampered brats who inhabit an emotional first world.

>>18473771
>I cannot however experience the same dream life I had with her, mainly due to me just being too old now. Even if I somehow found that with another woman, I still could not escape my conscience. She is still in the world and she will still live a suffering life.

Obviously you won't experience that dream life either way, because nothing changed for the better while she was with you. Whether you're around or not, she's going to be a horrible terrible human being. At this point you're just holding yourself hostage.

>>18473778
No, codependency isn't the rule.
Codependency isn't "staying with a person for many years and feeling bad because you have to leave" - codependency is a kind of dynamic that develops between two people where you allow each others' worst sides.
One person enables the other person' addictions, illnesses or shortcomings and feels validated because they are useful and necessary for their emotionally broken partner. That's what you have. That's what I had.

It is not about "going from person to person". I have been with the same man for 5 years and I would die if I left. I feel so deeply connected to him and love him to bits. But he doesn't make me feel worse. We grew with each other and improved ourselves in our love. It was the force that drove us to be better people.
Your relationship is unhealthy and it is painful for both of you. You really should leave.

>>18473780
It's sadly contingent on our financial success. But I understand that. Because she is a child mentally so there is some sense to it. She's just a little baby and when her daddy wins her a beautiful life she loves him like how stars shine, but when things become terrible, even if it's because of a plug she pulled out of pure childish selfishness, she gets confused as to why her daddy can't take care of her and its raw childlike hatred from there.

If you understood what that love is like, or what the experiences and history it brings are and what they mean, then you would know why I can't leave. It's impossible. It's humanly impossible.

Fuck safe relationships where it's possible to leave. They aren't real. I mean I do respect them but not in place of the ones I'm talking about.

>>18473795
So you prefer a one-sided relationship where it is impossible to leave? The fuck is wrong with you?

>>18473793
Codependency is simple two people being dependent on one another. In perhaps a less than symbiotic way. Though symbiosis is loveless anyway so go figure.

Real, true love is completely codependent. Anyone who disagrees has only experienced sterility.

But here, listen, this thread isn't about codependency, because for all you know our relationship could be just like yours, except that I am forced to take a bit more responsibility than your own boyfriend would. It's just that when things become screwed up in some way, she becomes sociopathic and cold rather than supportive, like how she should be. What a normal woman's instinct would be. She lacks that. So I made this thread to discover ways to rekindle or rebuild that in her.


Codependency is the rule because the majority of human beings are emotionally broken. That is an ugly fact which you are overlooking because you are a woman who lives in a first world country, and though it's probable you don't enjoy an above average financial situation, you most certainly live in the emotional first world, more so than you would ever, ever care to acknowledge.

>>18473802
It's not always one-sided and this is exactly my struggle. I know she has it in her to not be so disgustingly selfish, but it really is like a neurological thing, it's out of her control in some way. She just isn't capable of bootstrapping herself.

But she did something wrong so she in at least some way needs to learn. I'm trying to figure out how. How to show her.

>>18473809
>>18473809
Not a part of this conversation, but holy shit the rationalization. OP you are a beta of the highest degree. You think you know what love is, but you know only desperation. You are like a scared, corner animal, but you think of yourself as some kind of majestic, mighty idealist. You are so blinded to your situation it is tragic.

Also
>you are overlooking because you are a woman

get me off this wild ride

>>18473809
No, dude. Codependency has a specific meaning.
>Codependency is a type of dysfunctional helping relationship where one person supports or enables another person's drug addiction, alcoholism, gambling addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement. Among the core characteristics of codependency, the most common theme is an excessive reliance on other people for approval and a sense of identity.
That's what you have.

What you have isn't normal. What you have is unhealthy and ill, and it will get worse. Codependency isn't the norm, "depending on each other" isn't the only thing that makes a relationship codependent.

>>18473818
Funny how I look at your post and see the exact same thing.

Believe me when I say though that between us I am the breaker of the mirrors.

>>18473795
>Because she is a child mentally so there is some sense to it. She's just a little baby and when her daddy wins her a beautiful life she loves him like how stars shine, but when things become terrible, even if it's because of a plug she pulled out of pure childish selfishness, she gets confused as to why her daddy can't take care of her and its raw childlike hatred from there.

Are you talking about a DD/lg relationship or what. Or are you naturally look at her and your relationship with this much condescension?


>If you understood what that love is like, or what the experiences and history it brings are and what they mean, then you would know why I can't leave. It's impossible. It's humanly impossible.

Actually, it is very possible. You simply stop responding to phone calls and cut her out of your life. You're just too weak emotionally. And before you say you aren't: You had to ask how to counter sociopathy.


>Fuck safe relationships where it's possible to leave. They aren't real.
Welcome to the real world where people leave the moment they realize they will benefit from being around you.

>>18473825
*Not benefit from.

>>18473815
Stop being a retard and break up with her.

>>18473821
You actually don't have enough information about my situation to tell me what I have. It's a little bit more complex than 'this relationship is codependent' 'this one is not'.

There is an equilibrium and what I'm saying is I want to find ways to compensate for a shortcoming of hers in order to maintain that balance, so that it does not have to be terminally unhealthy.

>>18473830
>>18473748

>>18473835
You sound like a controlling psychopath, and a pretty stupid one at that. Break up with her, you retard.

>>18473832
I do have enough information, actually.
In your own words: she's mentally ill, she's a baby who needs to be catered. She wants out, but you won't let her because you know what's best for her. You enable her by catering her needs and never challenging her to grow out of her illnesses, by allowing her to depend on you to be happy.
It is super standard codependency and a unhealthy relationship.

>>18473825
It's not condescension it's love.

>You're just too weak emotionally.
I would kill you with my bare hands emotionally any day of the weak but this is exactly why it isn't feasible or even possible for me to leave. Because this is the one human being I have let in. Because I am so totally closed off emotionally her leaving would destroy me.


>And before you say you aren't: You had to ask how to counter sociopathy.
I don't think you have ever encountered real sociopathy before. I could be wrong. But I would err on the side of betting that you have only ever experienced some sort of meme 'sociopathy'. I mean since you sound so proud of it. I really don't mean to be offensive but come on.

>Welcome to the real world where people leave the moment they realize they will not benefit from being around you.

Are you sure you just don't surround yourself with niggers? We may not be emotional first worlders, but we are definitely not emotional third worlders. Emotional Russians represent.

OP is clearly retarded, there's no point in arguing with him - he won't leave the crazy bitch because he is too much of a clingy spineless little boy.

And in that case, dear OP, there is nothing we can do. No creative ideas whatsoever. You said yourself that she is mentally ill, and you can't reason with mentally ill people. Or rather, you can try to reason with them but they won't give a shit and will carry on with acting like cunts.

Also OP, consider this: maybe she just really doesn't want to be with you anymore?

>>18473843
Nnnnnnah I don't think you do. Realistically you would have to know us both for months probably to make that call. You don't even know either of us. You've read like 8 posts I've made on 4chan.


The thing which I don't think you have the capacity (or lack thereof) to understand, and, lack thereof, so this is probably a good thing, is that neither of us probably will get anything better.

I mean I already know what the fuck is going to happen to her. She'll leave, and if she doesn't end up with a totally abusive, loveless guy who will only fuck her and beat her dumb ass, she'll just end up with some lukewarm guy who will never be able to satisfy her and eventually move on, repeating that exact cycle.

Like >>18473841 mentioned, I'm a """controlling psychopath""", but actually, I am the perfect balance between a total motherfucking abusive ass beater and a naturally loving, tender man. For her anyway.

She will never meet another guy balanced like me ever again, but God knows that's what she's going to be stuck until the end of time looking for, and it will fucking kill her.

>>18473845

>I would kill you with my bare hands emotionally any day of the weak
>Because I am so totally closed off emotionally her leaving would destroy me.

You got to be trolling at this point. You're strong as a bear, but a woman not returning your calls would destroy you lol


>I don't think you have ever encountered real sociopathy before. I could be wrong. But I would err on the side of betting that you have only ever experienced some sort of meme 'sociopathy'. I mean since you sound so proud of it. I really don't mean to be offensive but come on.

I cut people out of my life the minute they display any dark triad personality traits. I also don't get crazy mentally unstable people close to me.


>Are you sure you just don't surround yourself with niggers? We may not be emotional first worlders, but we are definitely not emotional third worlders. Emotional Russians represent.

Why would anyone associate with you if you're deleterious to their well-being? It must really sting when not even a weak, immature, unsuccessful, 4.5 girl doesn't want to be around you.

>>18473852
You sound like a child. Break up with her. It's not fucking rocket science. She will be better off without you.

>>18473852
Find her and give her a beating then

>>18473845
>I don't think you have ever encountered real sociopathy before
She cannot love you unconditionally and be a sociopath. She either never loved you and is actually a sociopath, or she loved you and now stopped and is just a bitch.

>>18473852
Jesus fuck, you sound so damn edgy and narcissistic. It makes me cringe, it really does. Let this girl make her choices, if she wants to date bad boys who will beat her or good boys who will beta provide her, it's up to her. You don't get to decide that it would be better for her to stay with you. It's not your place to decide that for her, dude. You can't force her to stay in a relationship she no longer enjoys, people try that all the time and it always backfires.

>>18473856
Is that not the exact contradiction I'm highlighting. Where else do you think the meaning of what I have been saying has been coming from but through that very paradox.


>Why would anyone associate with you if you're deleterious to their well-being? It must really sting when not even a weak, immature, unsuccessful, 4.5 girl doesn't want to be around you.
Because over time I would be advantageous. So the whole thing is about not lacking neocortex functions like foresight and piecing together the inclination to endure a rough time so as to obtain an altogether better life in the future, in other words being human being and not an animal.

The pain is more of a blunt trauma, btw.

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>>18473862
You've never cared about someone to this extent. That could be a good thing, it may well be unhealthy. But I asked this on 4chan for a reason.

>>18473870
You're mentally ill.
I know a man like you, who was "convinced" he was the best for me - he stalked me, threatened to kill himself, threatened to kill me if I left, ruined my life for months.
She just wants out. Let her go.

And, please, go to therapy.

>>18473862
>You don't get to decide that it would be better for her to stay with you. It's not your place to decide that for her, dude.
You know what's funny is that women in your life probably harbour endless disdain for you because you actually think like this.

Or I don't know, maybe you're not good looking enough for women to expect it, or want it, from you.

>>18473870
You don't care about her as much as you're telling yourself and us you do. It's easy to infer it from your posts. But even if, it doesn't matter because no matter what you do she will leave if she wants to, and from your posts it looks like she wants out.

>>18473874
You definitely did not 'know a man like me' because there is no possible way I could stalk my girlfriend. The dynamic of our relationship is so antithetical to that it would be like saying a parent is 'following' their own kid by driving them to school. So no, you do not have a clue about me and are not in a position to be making statements like that.

You're just upset because talking to me on here is hard and you don't have any other way to relieve that tension by dismissing me through associating me with some dumb asshole who obsessed over you once.

Obsessed is the singular last thing I am with my girlfriend.

>>18473877
If a child 'wanted out' of a speeding car would you still I wonder be so inclined to talk about that situation like that.

>>18473875
You know what's funny? It's funny that you think she wants YOU to decide for her to stay with you while at the same time doing everything to set free. The level of mental gymnastics you employ here is unprecedented.

>>18473881
You're so not obsessed that you can't accept the fact that she wants to leave you.

>>18473864
>Because over time I would be advantageous.
Or not. She knows she can get someone better than you. Otherwise she wouldn't haven't left. Or would have came back the next day or the day after that.

How did she ruin your life? Why is she trying to leave you after this "event"? It doesn't sound like you're telling the whole truth

>>18473888
It's that its impossible for me to buy that it isn't just her lashing out in anger like a little baby.

>>18473886
The issue with your understanding here is you're assuming she's a normal woman. Who has normal adult emotions. She is mentally a child. Through and through. Ffs, a 19 year old store clerk talked down to her like a little girl once.

>>18473894
The issue here is that you, too, are very much mentally a child.

>>18473892
She didn't leave. There's a chance she could have some sort of warped idea in her head that she thinks she could end up with a higher quality man than me, but that is really, really pushing it. I am so far out of her league in the first place I remember before we moved to a quieter place people would shoot me looks all the time like 'what exactly is going on here man'.

I don't mean to talk like that. I don't care. I love her all the same. But apparently female selfishness knows no bounds and we don't have the testosterone to try and regulate it anymore so who knows.

She's being naughty because she wants a beating. It's almost too late for you to pass this test.

>>18473895
Nah. When it comes to her, yes. In general no. And you simply don't know any better to say otherwise.

It's more simply that she's a child, and it's impossible to not have it rub off on you in some way when everything else becomes unstable.

>>18473881
Is she a child? Or is she legally incapacitated due to her mental illness? If so, are you her legally approved caretaker?

If no is the answer to these questions, you can fuck right off.

You don't get to decide for her. I know that hearing that makes you angry, and because you know it's true, it probably makes you feel even worse because that means that you can't make a decision convenient for yourself and force her to accept it. She will leave you. I know you don't want that, most people who get dumped don't want to get dumped, it's normal. But you gotta accept the facts - she doesn't want to be with you anymore - and move on with your life.

>>18473901
This is the only accurate post so far in this thread. Even if it's a dumbass and mean spirited joke.

She ruined our lives because she was mad I wasn't fucking her enough. She would literally come into the bedroom and rub her face on my crotch like an animal or just sit at the foot of the bed because she wanted me to take her.

I was too busy. But also too lazy. Biggest mistake I've ever made. Both practically and romantically.

>>18473899
>She didn't leave. There's a chance she could have some sort of warped idea in her head that she thinks she could end up with a higher quality man than me, but that is really, really pushing it. I am so far out of her league in the first place I remember before we moved to a quieter place people would shoot me looks all the time like 'what exactly is going on here man'.

Are you sure, anon? I know of an old lady around my neighborhood who always thinks everyone is checking her out, from the 20 year old cashier to whoever happened to look in her direction for more than five seconds. And I have an acquaintance that thinks every other girl is into him or would love to date him, even though he's like 5'3" and has some rather strange quirks.

>>18473908
You have to earn her respect back. Bring her to the edge of death and then back again, you will be her saviour

>>18473902
Everything you've said in this thread makes you come across like a controlling and angry little brat. You're not even trying to give a full story, you just keep saying how you feel things are and expect everybody to tell you exactly what you want.

You are clearly not good for her. Her life will be vastly improved without you. If you care for her at all, you will leave her.

>>18473914
Yes I'm sure. Women have given themselves up to me too easily throughout my life for me to have any doubts about that.

>>18473918
Lmao.

The respect thing is the only real answer though. Seriously. And believe me I could do it, it's just that I am a little bit of a brat in the sense that she needs to be a normal adult woman for once and compromise with me. Not make me fucking win her back this time but just use her rusty little brain and realise that wanting that is inappropriate when you're already deep into a relationship.

>>18473920
Okay cocksucker. The thing about you is you're an angry little man, or girl, and something about my situation has offended you personally so you're taking your own anger out on me. Look, this is adv, we are all here doing that shit, but you are particularly egregious and it is a little embarrassing.

>>18473908
How does this ruin both of you financially and you "had to flee" though?

>>18473927
That was the because not the what or how.

>>18473929
So you're not willing to go into details, fair enough.

Kidnap her and tie her to the bed. Halfway through the sex, take off the gorilla mask and reveal that it's you. Chicks like surprises and it will spice things up and she will never disrespect you again as long as you're a little brutal

>>18473924
If you want advice, try saying what she did and said, rather than saying She did a bad thing and She said a mean thing, as if you're the one to decide that for us. Even here you're trying to control everyone here by telling us how to think. You don't want advice, you want confirmation. And that's not what this forum is for. All your posts scream "I am abusive". Let her go. Get help.

>>18473932
It is rather personal.

>>18473934
Someone already made that joke hombre.

>>18473935
Type with less cocks in your hands boi.

>>18473936
>It is rather personal.

>anonymous forum
>"rather personal"

Verified bait.

>>18473942
Pffft. Get the fuck back to facebook u fucken noob.

>>18473719
Fuck you OP stop inventing rules that dont exist,you cant even see whats best for you and your relationship,if you have to sacrifice your sanity to save your relationship it wont lead you both anywhere.

You are only hurting you both,if she cant deal with life by herself then teach her and let her go if you love her so much,but it seems like you cant even help yourself and you have built an entire world of bullshit beliefs,you are probably just being an egoistic maniac.

Maybe you have the problem man,you sound very stubborn

>>18473964
Hell yeah I'm stubborn boy.

>if you love something, set it free

You might as well be sucking the bull's cum out of your """wife's""" asshole.

You are telling me my beliefs are shit, but your beliefs are a world of shit. I'm not making up rules, I'm bringing the real ones back.

>>18473967
That anon was wrong, it's not about "If you love something, set it free". It's about "if someone doesn't want to be with you, let them go". Or better yet, dump them yourself and find someone else.

>>18473975
If a child told their parent they wanted to run away, would you believe that child?

This girl is has problems. I don't know how many times I need to reiterate that vital piece of information before you fucking knocks stop defaulting into pussy worship.

I mourn for you 4chan. For once a time bygone you were not reddit.

>>18473979
She's an adult. You're not her caregiver.
Unless she's diagnosed mentally retarded/ill and you are her caregiver, you are in no position to decide for her whether she should stay in a relationship with you or not.
Also, if you are her caregiver and she's unable to make a decision, you shouldn't be fucking her.

>>18473967
Then fucking dump her,do you see how retarded you sound and what a joke of a person you are.

I know what kind of mentality you have and some day it will change,until then you will be kinda miserable,best of luck my man.

>>18473983
She is not an adult mentally.

Life is not a legality you asperger cocksucker. Get the fuck out of my thread.

>>18473985
>I was defeated so you will be too. Mark my words.

Mark my words.

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>>18473979
She is 19, right? And not legally incapacitated due to her mental illness. Then she can't be that retarded. It's up to her whether to leave or not and I bet she'll cuck your ass and then go to another man. Deal with it, cuck boy

>>18473979
You are mental dude,she wont die without you unless she's completely worthless and natural selection will get rid off her

>>18473986
>She is not an adult mentally.
And who are you to decide it? What makes her a "child" mentally? Because she doesn't want to be with you?
Why are you having sex with her if she's a child mentally?

>>18473986
>defeat
What are you talking about at this point man,it's not about winning or losing.You cant be more deluded.

Not even attacking you,but I think you are really far from what really matters.

I'm exiting this thread,again:good luck and hope you can find peace

>>18473987
She's way older. She's beyond damaged goods at this point and will never meet another man willing to make a family with her.


I don't know what I was expecting. This has got to be just some bout of masochism in me to come to adv and expect people who would be interested enough to be helpful.

I guess that one guy did say it in a word though. It's respect.

>>18473990
I don't think you are even capable of grasping her level of immaturity. Honestly I mean. You probably have never come into contact with a person like her. From the way that you persist in framing me as the one in the wrong. If you had any material knowledge of the situation you would see how little sense that makes.

>>18473992
>it's not about winning or losing.
Something only a loser would say lol.

Later man. Thanks

>>18473986
>Life is not a legality you asperger cocksucker. Get the fuck out of my thread.

Kek, op getting mad because someone is trying to logically address this fucked up situation.

We are not here to enable you, especially given that almost all the posters think this relationship is not salvageable. If you think you can do something to make her stay, do it.

>>18473993
Then tell us about "the situation". From what you told us, you're completely mental and she's mental as well, and for once we all seem to agree on that.
At this point you just sound like a controlling sociopath who can't accept that his dream girl wants out.

>sticking it in a crazy
Not even once

>>18473995
Well I guess I fucked up in posting here assuming there was any life left in adv. But it's just reddit with yotsuba html.

>>18473997
>dream girl
Uh it's infinitely closer to I'm her dream guy.

This is what I mean by you guys are a bunch of pussy worshipping dumbass betas. There is a girl who is borderline mentally retarded and you automatically put her on the pedestal.

I guess I'm just a dumbass faggot for posting here.

>>18473771
You know you're not going to fall out of love and emotionally reset after 2.5 months nigger. I couldn't even mastrubate after my breakup for that span, even though it was definitely over.

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>>18473761
>people on 4chan are not brain damaged

>>18474001
Dude, then leave her. If you don't want to be with her and she sucks, then fuck off and leave.
You're not obligated to stay with her, you fuckface.

>>18473999
Your own approach is very reddit, to be honest. Like I said, just want to be enabled. You want us to say "yeah dude, just fuck her hard, choke her a bit, be more aggressive in bed and in Wal-Mart, and she'll realise she loves only you, can be only with you, and will never ever think again about breaking up with you". We get people like you all the time. Posters who seek validation and merciful anons who will enable their shitty ideas instead of giving any sensible, logical and objective advice.

>>18474005
I don't want to be with her. I need to. She has my innocence and conscience. I guess people here are too common and basic to understand exactly what that means anymore.

>>18474006
Oh get the fuck out of my face dude I have been on this board literally since day 1 you don't get shit.

I don't fucking want validation. I asked a very specific question and nobody bothered to answer or even probe it. You all just side tapped me and it devolved from there.

I don't want sensible, logical or objective. I want insightful.

>>18474012
>claims to be on /adv/ since day 1
>isn't familiar with the most notorious group of posters

Stay blind

>>18473999
>go to 4chan because you want 4chanish responses
>be surprised when they call you a cunt

>>18473815
Is this your first relationship? There's like 10 dudes in this thread saying that the situation isn't salvagable and you keep repeating the same dumb shit.
>it's not humanly possible to break up
Yes it is anon, the other anons and I have been there.

>she needs to realize that she's hurting herself and that she can't do this
She won't. Even a woman that's not mentally ill wouldn't. She doesn't want you, she won't have it from you telling her what she's supposed to feel

>>18473994
It's good to see that you have confidence and really believe what you say but that only will take you that far

>>18474016
I never said I wasn't familiar with them. They've been exponentially greater in number past 2014. Hence why you're a newfag because your being here is probably concurrent. I just see them as dumbasses who's threads I skip over.

>>18474012
>I don't want to be with her. I need to

So you are a dependent piece of shit who is scared shitless of getting dumped by some psycho bitch? That's just sad mate. It's not true love, it's borderline dependency and lack of personal integrity.

WTF am I even reading?

OP, if you feel like if she can't 'live' without you, why the fuck do you not reach out to her family and say 'hey, she wants me to go. I'm leaving. Please check on her.' Then exit stage left.

>>18474017
The MO of 4chan is a shimmering kernel of insight in a sea of "ok cunt".

>>18474018
Not my first relationship. The first one which had innocence in it. Real, unconditional love. I have been in love with girls and been loved by girls,
I have broken up with and been broken up with and have gone through all of that shit. This is way different. It's not a normal relationship by any stretch. I feel like it's more like I'm her father and she's my little baby. Try tearing away from activated paternal instinct and see how that works for you. It's biologically unnatural.

And she does want me to. I know this because it's the standard and precedent in our relationship. Our situation is just such that it's very hard for her to admit she's wrong because it tore away from her something that she loved and in her mind it would make it really unstable for her to ever build back the shred of self confidence she had. That's why she wants to throw her daddy under the bus. It's sheer survival instinct in its most base form.

>>18474025
Because she will probably not die but just have a greatly lessened quality of life which will only continue to sink lower for the rest of her natural life because she simply is not cognitively competent enough to reverse that or bootstrap herself. Her life will become totally meaningless.

How could I in any good conscience let that happen? To my baby no less?

>>18474027
> it's very hard for her to admit she's wrong
Any chance you are having trouble with that?

>>18474030
I was not the one who pulled the trigger. I can take responsibility for everything up until that singularity. But it's the singularity which is the causal component. So no, technically I was not the one in the wrong, not the one who flipped the switch to make our situation impossibly more difficult to the point where things begin to break.

>>18474027
If you had parental instincts for her, she wouldn't be your girlfriend and you wouldn't be fucking her.

Stop using words without understanding their meaning.

>>18474033
All of our problems stemmed from her feeling like shit because I, wait a second, didn't fuck her enough.

Go figure pt. 2

>>18474035
Then what's the problem, just fuck her more

>>18474033
Also I said paternal not parental. It's a little less incesty. More general.

>>18474040
it's not incest if he's your dad

>>18474039
We are physically separated and have been for months. Trust me I wouldn't even be on adv if I had access to such an obvious solution to my problem.

>>18474040
Doesn't change much. Caring about someone doesn't mean you have paternal instincts for them. She isn't your "little baby".

>>18474046
Kek, then you are in a ldr? This literally never works, not even with normal stable people. She's probably cucking you right now

It's time to abandon this sinking ship dude

>>18474045
Paternal is a little more general than 'father'. Bit more in the way of 'father-like'.

That's what I was to her. Very father-like. Which is probably why she began to resent me so heavily when I asked her for help and treated her like a mid to late 20s woman who was also my girlfriend, rather than my little baby. I guess it hurt her.

I just wanted to help her grow up.

go slash her tires or cut off her electricity or something, so she needs your help.

>>18474049
Not really, because we don't intend to be in a ldr. I agree that those are doomed to fail. It's more of the relationship is in suspension until the moment we are capable of getting back together.

And yeah, I had a lot of problems with that earlier on. But she's really honestly not attractive enough and also lives literally in the middle of nowhere. Maybe though. I know how women are.


And yeah, abandon the sinking ship. And drown in the ice cold arctic sea of having left no shred of innocence or conscience great idea. I think I will just stab in the heated cabin until the water rushes in and drowns my ass swiftly.

>>18474056
I re-read your first post and it looks to me like you two aren't together anymore

>separated by the distance
>she goes no contact for days
>might be talking with someone else

And prior to that she was telling you that she'll leave and was trying to make you accept the idea. The way I read it, she indirectly broke with you. I'm sorry dude

>Woman is doing everything in her power to leave you, it's very obvious she is no longer interested in being in a relationship with you in any manner
>"How do I trick her into coming back? It's for the best, she just doesn't realize it"

Have you considered that this father/daughter dichotomy that you've created is actually not good for her?

For someone who's supposedly older, you're naive as fuck. You can lead a horse to water? Pick your friend's nose? Any of these ringing particularly true right now?

Your attitude towards wanting to preserve an obviously virulent relationship is seriously misguided. And the part about "two adults can't just leave a relationship that they put work into"? Shit dude, try harder to sound like a murderer. That's literally what every break-up ever is.

She has 100% agency to bail on the relationship at any time, for any reason, and she has. If she is taking out all the stops to make it impossible for you to contact her, TAKE A FUCKING HINT.

>>18474065
You're projecting a sense of self-confidence or agency or something onto her which a regular girl would have but which she particularly does not.

She's like seaweed, I don't know how to describe it. There are no personal boundaries with her like there are for your everyday women. And that's exactly the way she has always wanted it to be. I tried earlier on in our relationship to get her to become more normal, but she just told me I was being mean, and that's just the way she was.

She really is just like a child. There is no meaning behind her words because she's sort of powerless. But through her own choice. Sure I enable her in that vein but only because she has always wanted me to.


>>18474070
>woman is doing everything in her power to leave you
>woman
Stopped reading there.

But really, take a look at what I wrote above. She is by no stretch of the imagination a 'woman'. And she is selfish enough to want it to be this way.


>two adults can't just leave a relationship that they put work into"
Oh my God lol. It's not work. Like I get investing yourself into another person and it failing and you losing on that investment. That's a normal relationship. The difference is that I didn't just invest emotional or mental or financial or social capital, but spiritual capital. Life capital. Conscience capital. Innocence capital. Stuff you can only invest once. She did the same but is just fucking nihilistic because she's a baby and has never not gotten away with it. She doesn't know the difference.

Fuck off with your pussy sucking. You fucking child molester. Lol.

>>18474070
>WOMEN CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. WOMEN CAN MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE TOTAL SHIT AND RUIN YOUR LIFE AND THAT'S THEIR GOD GIVEN RIGHT OMG IM SO ANGRY AT MY PENIS PLEASE CHOP MY DICK OFF

What you sound like bro. She hurt you bad huh.

>>18474080
>The difference is that I didn't just invest emotional or mental or financial or social capital, but spiritual capital. Life capital. Conscience capital. Innocence capital. Stuff you can only invest once
The mental gymnastic here.

>>18474087
Or maybe you can't be wrong for once.

Think about what's more likely. You attending your routine per diem 'omg ur a dumb faggot bitch pussy lmao' adv aggression blood-let or being wrong in front of a bunch of total strangers. You're either in the mob, or you're their target.

>>18474080
Maybe she is like a child or like a seaweed but she just left you, dude. You keep saying that she is unable to act like a normal woman ie break up, but she literally did that. Maybe for childlish reasons and in a childlish way but she left your ass and went somewhere else, talking to someone new and you still cling to her.

>>18474089
You can love deeply more than once in your life. You can connect spiritually with more than one person in your existence.
Your idea that once you loved someone deeply you can never do it again is ridiculous.

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>mfw I read this thread and realize it's OP and not his girlfriend that is mentally ill

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>get dumped
>refuse to accept it and move on
>keep telling yourself your ex couldn't possibly do that instead

Man, I love /adv/

>>18474080
Are you kidding me?

Is she breathing? Is she 18? Then she has the agency to make whatever decision she wants, regardless of your judgement, especially if it comes to her relationship.
>>18474080
What the fuck are you even on about?

First of, you're """dating""" someone that you wouldn't consider a woman, who you describe as a child, to whom you also consider yourself a father figure, and you want to throw shit my way?

I don't need to understand your situation down to the last time you argued about groceries, what you've already told me is plenty to realize that SHE IS OVER IT. You invested a bunch of "spiritual capital" into her? Well, that's too bad, because you don't get a receipt for feelings. For fucks sake, you sound like every 22 year old after their first break up.

"She's different! We're special! It's a unique relationship!" Yep, they all are.

>>18474084
Actually yes, anyone you invest into emotionally has the potential to betray that at any time. Right or wrong, male or female, that's the skinny of it. Cry fucking more.

>>18474091
You got issues bud.

>>18474092
It's not ridiculous. It's just a truth that's complete impractical to accept.


>>18474099
We're both bad off now, not denying it. She put me in the worst situation of my life and did nothing to help me but convince herself it was okay to disassociate herself from me.

After everything I've done for her. All of the sacrifice and struggle. All of the moments we shared and things we did together. It is nothing short of sick and it would be difficult for that sickness to not rub off on me.

It's so easy to just be a man and forget about it. Every man has that switch in him. But what is your life worth at that point. I can revert to being a primate to save my life but my humanity will be gone forever.

if she needs you so much, how is it possible that she is living somewhere else without you helping her?

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>>18473719
Don't try to be her "savior" OP, I already did that. Stuck around in a 9 year relationship that made us both (especially me) miserable. She burned every bridge we came across and made me feel like 1) no one will ever take me and 2) she won't be able to take care of herself without me.
Hell, I was only able to leave the relationship because she wanted to end it. Now we're both doing fine. But the sooner you leave, the better it will be for both of you.
It's like pet store animals, you can't save them all. Sometimes you're just not the right one to do so either.

>>18474115
It is completely ridiculous. You can love unconditionally more than one person.

>>18474115
>you got issues bud

No, you have them because you do everything in your power not to accept the truth. She dumped you and you come up with excuses. She did what she did and now you are in a position where you are away from each other and have almost no contact with her and yet you are deluded enough to keep spewing "she is a child, she has no agency to leave me!!!!" shit even though in reality because of her actions your relationship is no longer a thing

>>18474107
>Then she has the agency to make whatever decision she wants
So then why do you sound like a guy who likes getting the heel of a whore's stiletto shoved up his cock hole when you say that. Stop pretending like you know her and that you know she's the same as other fully functioning adult women. She's not. She probably never will be.

I'm not really denying what you're saying because it's right in a sense. The scale is different obviously. I'm not just some naïve guy dealing with his first break up but there is definitely a virginal quality to this which plays a large role in why I find it impossible to conceive of it being something to overcome.

I think the problem is the most of you have never experienced something like this before so you will in your mind just reduce it into banality, for the sake of your own comprehension.

I mean, I did ask on 4chan. That's all I can say.

>>18474115
I'd feel bad for you if it wasn't for two things:

1st, Whatever it is you think is so transcendent about it is relationship is in your head. It's a relationship, people break up, it's not fair. The end. Nothing about your relationship makes it the fulcrum on which all other relationships turn.

2, You're both arrogant and naive as fuck. You come here for some echo chamber, ask for advice a 16 year old might need, and then insult everyone who has the audacity to suggest "Hey man, maybe she's not into you".

So what do you want? There's no alchemical formula that will bring her back, so spell, no magic words. She doesn't want to be with you. Nothing we say will change that. The only advice we can even realistically provide is to "get over it", because that is the only fucking option. Since you won't listen to that, we're just gonna rag on you.

>>18474131
There are at least 3 people in this thread who mentioned they have a similar experience to you and they ALL told you to break up.
Stop being such a fucking cuck and hanging on this girlfriend who left you, is chatting with another man and doesn't want anything to do with you. She doesn't love you or care about you.

>>18474132
You guys keep repeating this line "she doesn't want to be with you", and I just can't take your responses seriously because it's just not like that.

I don't know how else to explain it. She just doesn't have that in her. There is no room for her to not want to be with me. In the sense that she sees me as holding her back. I guess I can kind of understand why it's so hard to conceptualise, because it's not exactly common. But this girl does not have that in her. At least not with me. Again, it would be like a little girl telling her father she doesn't want him. It doesn't make sense and when you guys keep repeating it it's really hard to listen to whatever you may have to say.

Like if I called a black gentleman a nigger and then proceeded to attempt talking politics with him.

>>18474131
Op, stop the bullshit right now. If she were as retarded and juvenile as you say she is, she would be
>legally incapacitated, or
>in a psychiatric hospital, or
>at home with her parents or caretakers

People who are retarded so badly that they "don't have the agency to break up" don't get into relationships in the first place. If she was sound of mind enough to get together with you, she is sound of mind enough to leave.

>>18474131
>Most of you have never experienced this

WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED THIS YOU DENSE MOTHERFUCKER

LITERALLY ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH HAS EXPERIENCED THIS AT ONE POINT OR ANOTHER

Dude, WE GET IT. There isn't some component of the story we're not understanding. It's YOU who is failing to understand that what you're feeling IS NOT UNIQUE, OR IN ANY WAY SPECIAL OR EXCLUSIVE TO YOU AND YOUR LADY. The advice your being offered is spot on, I don't much care if you don't like it.

Fucking a dude, "you guys haven't experienced this before". Be more egocentric. Most people "experience" this twice a year.

>>18474137
So then get more creative if that's 'literally what everyone else has done'. Did it not occur to you that I made this thread to veer away from the most basic sort of solutions?

I seek something creative and insightful. If it was just a matter of me leaving her I would have done that a fucking year ago.

>>18474145
The insightful thing to do is to break up and move on with your life.

Dating mentally ill people when you are mentally ill is fun because the vulnerability creates a great emotional closeness and it feels amazing.
But it is fucked up. It fucks you up, fucks them up and the relationship cannot function properly.

Leave. Work on yourself. Meet a good person. Have it feel transcendental because you are so good for each other that it cannot get any better, not because you're addicted to each other.

You're a child like her, probably worse than her.

>>18474142
I would say you sorely lack experience with people of this nature to believe it is so black and white.

Have you ever heard of homeless people? That's essentially what she is. It's just she's a female with certain redeeming qualities past her immaturity. Before she was with me it was some other rich asshole who sheltered her for the formative years of her adulthood.

She is at home with her extended family btw. She has been in the psych ward.

>>18474140
Oh my god dude, she left you and made sure that there were absolutely no way you could contact her. Do you think that was on accident?

You keep saying she can't leave you, but she did MONTHS AGO. You keep saying we don't get it, but you realize that YOU are 100% of our insight into this situation. All of the data we have is from you, through your perspective, and it's still clear as day she doesn't want anything to do with you anymore. No amount of you explaining your super unique trip to the arcade is going to chance the fact that SHE IS GONE AND DOESN'T WANT TO COME BACK?

HOW DO I KNOW? BECAUSE SHE HASN'T COME BACK.

>>18474140
>There is no room for her to not want to be with me.
Try actually reading that sentence again and ask yourself if you're thinking rationally. Who talks like that, seriously.

You're not special. You're not a shining beacon of light in her world that she can't live without. She's a human who is no longer interested in you. You can either be mature about that and accept it or you can keep trying to justify yourself. Either way, she's not getting back.

>>18474143
>you're not unique
>you're just egocentric

The reason why I know this is untrue is because of the basis of our relationship. I can guarantee you it is completely unordinary. It is a totally unique circumstance. I think she would definitely agree with me.

>>18474140
>She just doesn't have that in her. There is no room for her to not want to be with me.
>She has been threatening to leave me for weeks (we're separated and have been since she did what she did, which was make it so I essentially had to flee, while also ruining us financially) while at the same time mentally nudging me into being okay with her leaving.
>I think she's begun to talk to another guy because she'll go for days and days without responding to me.

You are contradicting yourself: if she doesn't have it in her to dump you, then why she's doing all these things?

But even if what you are saying is true, it doesn't matter. And it doesn't change the fact that she is away from you and doesn't communicate with you. Unless you can go to her, fuck her and bring her back with you, this relationship is done.

>>18474150
No, that's the least insightful thing to do because it's the easiest.

>probably worse than her
Complete pussy worship. Like lmao dude you don't know her. Alright? You are such a bitch.

>>18474165
She at least recognised that you're not good for her and left, you can't even do that. So, yeah - in this case, she's better than you.
Not because she's a woman, but because she left a toxic and abusive relationship.

>>18474159
You're right, how can TWO people be wrong, TOGETHER??

And what's with this knee jerk reaction of thinking everyone beside you is pussy whipped? You are without a doubt the biggest pussy slave on all of / adv/ right now.

>>18474154
>made sure that there were absolutely no way you could contact her.
This is totally untrue btw.

>and it's still clear as day she doesn't want anything to do with you anymore
This isn't true either.

>HOW DO I KNOW? BECAUSE SHE HASN'T COME BACK.
We've been talking about reuniting and trying to work out the details literally ever since I left.

>>18474156
>You're not special.
>You're not a shining beacon of light in her world that she can't live without.
God I miss pre-reddit influx 4chan. You say these things as an artefact of viewing my words on a screen and noting no noteworthy thing about them as compared to someone else's. Your ability to pass that judgment is literally flat. It's not so much that I am special, but that you think I am specifically not because you lack (are not willing to grant) context. It's purely psychological. Your denial.

>>18473719
Sounds like you two are already broken up

>>18474184
>We've been talking about reuniting and trying to work out the details literally ever since I left.

Then what's the problem? Just get together when you figure out how... what is the purpose of this thread? I thought she didn't want to come back to you

>>18474184
You're right, I mixed you up with another thread I read before. I just woke up. I'm sure you'll take that as an invitation to disregard everything I said though, because it's not like you needed an excuse anyway.

If she wanted to get back together with you, she would have.

Basically what you're doing is pressuring a mentally ill person into being with you because YOU have co-dependency issues, not because she does. You keep saying it's the best thing for her, but what you don't realize is that this is the mantra for EVERY abusive, toxic relationship in the history of history.

>"But we're different!"
No. You. Are. Not.

Your relationship isn't even a unique abusive one.

>>18474194
>you don't know anything about me
>let me tell you about you

Cool beans..

>>18474194
Do either of you have fucking gills? Because otherwise I'm hard pressed to think of something that makes your situation so foreign to the rest of the human race that conventional advice does not apply.

>>18474161
Good question. Actual progress in this thread. Nice. I like it. The reason why I believe she does these things is out of anger towards our situation and what she did. She fucked up really badly and blew our relationship up out of a clumsy impulse and for her to accept that would be to accept that she is a very, terribly clumsy person. And, if you knew her, you would know that this is one of her greatest fears. Being so clumsy that she is just completely incompetent of being an individual.

She doesn't have the mental coordination of a normal person and it naturally destroys her self confidence. One of the reasons she loved me is because I would always try to build it with her. She destroyed us and so she destroyed the only stable source of self confidence for herself. And now she can't look at what she's done so she needs to sociopathically throw me under a bus and pretend I never existed.


But no, the relationship is far from done. I just won't be there for her after she cheats on me or if she continues to pretend I don't have feelings.

>>18474169
No she did not recognise anything. You're pretending like you know it was a matter of proaction. It's all reaction. She is not neurologically capable of proaction. Mainly because she doesn't want to be. She thinks it's unwomanly.

Women are naturally sociopath creatures and there is nothing you can do about it except put up with it.

>>18474199
Read the OP. I want her to stop disrespecting me and pretending like she can run away from all of our problems. Not as in leave me but as in mentally run away.

I'm hurting and she wants it to all be about her, all of the time. And if it's not, she threatens to actually leave.

Real talk, no trolling, how old are you, OP?

>>18474223
So this is the real question that needs to be addressed.


Why do we allow women to act this way? Can they not be taught that, by any other standard rather than one of animal wilderness, it's totally and utterly wrong?

>>18474230
Mid to late 20s.

>>18474216
Even if she breaks up with you just to punish herself for her mistake - or to avoid the confrontation with the results of her fuck up - it's still breaking up.

Like I said, unless you can go to her and make her talk with you, this relationship is done, even if you don't want to accept it.

What concerns me is that she might be talking to someone else; it sounds like she's looking for someone who will replace you, possibly found this person already. You do realise that if that's the case, this wreck of a love story won't be saved even by Aphrodite herself. As long she doesn't have anyone new and it's just the issue of the distance and communication, you can fight. But not via texts because if she's not responding to you, it's clearly not working. You have to go to her in person and both tell her and show her that her clumsy fuck up is forgiven and you want to work things out.

>>18474238
>Even if she breaks up with you just to punish herself for her mistake - or to avoid the confrontation with the results of her fuck up - it's still breaking up.

Again, you're imagining her like she's some sort of woman. Like a woman who you personally would talk to who has personal boundaries which you feel naturally unable to transgress.

Those aren't there. We had sex once and I accidentally thrusted it into her ass and tore it. The next day she literally made me examine her asshole for 5 minutes hahaha. Like there is no boundary. There is no room for her to say 'we're done forever, bye'. She wouldn't even want it in the first place desu. It is personal to me. As in I don't think she's ever going to meet a guy who'll look at her asshole for 5 minutes straight in a completely nonsexual context ever again. Just my thought.

I'm absolutely sure she would come visit me if I asked. Frustratingly I just don't have the money anymore. Not right now. And in a few months things will probably be past the point of no return if they aren't yet patched up.

>>18474233
Aight man, you're not young, but you're not old, either.

I know it's not your first relationship, but it sounds like your first love. So I'll say this again, this time without trying to insult you: this strong feeling of attachment you feel is in no way exclusive to you, or her. Everyone loves. You two are capable of loving other people. It feels unique and special because it always does, but my dude, it never is. Not in the sense that it's rare or uncommon for people to feel what you're feeling all the time, all over the world.

I say this because I want you to get out of the idea that this relationship is so one of a kind special, that ending it would be a black stain on the history of man. Yeah dude it hurts, but that mindset of "preserve this relationship at all costs" will fucking ruin your life if you let it. I know, because I've been in your exact situation before. Most of us have.

Basically what I'm saying is that relationship or no, you need to work on your backbone. That's not a crack, that's genuine advice from one bro to another.

>>18474249
Dude every time you post you're basically making it sound like you're raping a legitimately retarded person.

I don't care how dumb you assert she is, as far as I'm concerned she's a legal adult like everyone else. Stop excusing both your behavior as "well like that's just the way it is, man".

And dude, the asshole thing is not weird or unique whatsoever. People in relationships doing explicitly not sexual things is nothing revolutionary.

>>18474255
>I've been in your exact situation before. Most of us have.

I appreciate your sincerity, it's refreshing when the bulk of this thread has been shit flinging. But I really, really do not think this is the case.

I know it's just not going to go through, this idea that I'm not just talking about love, but then direct your attention on a more materially based set of facts. The basis of our relationship is vastly different that the basis under which the overwhelming majority of relationships are formed. I can't get too specific so you're just going to have to take my word and see that I probably would not up and think to say that if there weren't real truth to it.

Things were just really cinematic for a second. Unusually so.

>>18474249
Her actions speak against your words.

And from the last paragraph I gather there is no way you can see each other in person anytime soon. Therefore this relationship is done, or will be soon.

Another thing, it's not unusual for close partners to be intimate with each other outside of the sexual context. I gave my wife enemas when she was sick and she helped me dig out an ingrown hair from my dick area.

>>18474260
Yeah but she's a baby. A mid to late 20 year old baby.

Okay, well tell me the next time you inspect your gfs asshole for damages. That is just a particularly dumb example out of volumes and volumes.

>>18474265
>she's a baby
Why are you shagging her? Is this some variation of paedophilia?

>>18474263
I'm not her husband.

And I don't think they do. I think that's more your presumption and projection of her personality as a normalish girl.

I think you guys misunderstood the purpose of this thread. It's not a 'how do I keep her' thread. I have no issue with keeping her. It's a 'how do I get her to stop disrespecting me and acknowledge my emotions' thread.

>>18474269
It is a term of endearment you fucking melt.

>>18474227
>I'm hurting and she wants it to all be about her, all of the time.
Well shit, there aren't many men who can put up with this shit and it's no wonder it's tearing you apart. I've never known a grown up woman like this, so the question would be, how can you get a child to calm down from rebelling. I mean that's how you have to be like with all women sometimes. I think when it's come that far (I guess you've already tried everything from being understanding to being stern to trying to calm her down and cheer her up) with a kid what you could do is calmly turning around and doing your own stuff. Like you'd do with your insuffrable little brat sister. You'd turn around, do your own stuff. If she comes to you nicely you answer nicely and let her play with you nicely, if she's a brat again you walk away again and do your own cool stuff, rinse and repeat.

>>18474262
Real talk, man. You have a serious ego. Every post you make bleeds with "main character" syndrome. Realize that you are in no way an authority on how "most relationships are formed". Your situation feels unique TO YOU. The irony is that EVERYONE feels that way. It's natural, but the advantage we have as human beings is that we can suspend that line of thinking and entertain an unbiased point of view.

Even more importantly: it doesn't matter how special it is. Sure, that's your justification for pursuing an admittedly toxic relationship (it's everyone's reason, Mr. Unique), but that's your prerogative, not mine. What I want you to understand is that no matter how valuable relationship is, to you or anyone else, it has an expiration date that is entirely 50% out of your control.

Robin Williams is dead. No matter how special something is, it dies. Prepare yourself for this reality, because you'll come face to face with it sooner or later, and at this rate it sounds like you'll want to make some time for that.

>>18474223
Cool well Im naturally abusive so I guess women will just have to deal with it, hope they can take a punch :)

>>18474272
It's ok, my wife has been digging out my ingrown dick hairs long before I put a ring on her.

>It's a 'how do I get her to stop disrespecting me and acknowledge my emotions' thread.

Well, you can sit her down and have a serious conversation about this issue. Try to explain how her actions make you feel and warn her that you won't put up with her if she keeps disrespecting you or ignoring your emotional needs.

There is a catch though: this won't work because, in your words, she is a mentally ill person, a baby in a body of a 19 yo woman. By all means, give it a try, but don't hold out much hope. Especially if you can't even see her in person.

>>18474277
I stopped talking to her for a couple days after I asked if I could fuck my friend (I don't masturbate, gets hard to concentrate when you've got 3 months of cum in your nuts), then the one night I was out with the girl and about to go back to her place, she messaged me asking me if I ended fucked her.

It felt kind of contrived like she had ulterior motives but still I could sense some real jealousy and confusion as to where her emotional power over me went. She said something about killing herself which was pretty uncharacteristic.

Still it's hard to just turn my back on her because ever since she did what she did I've got this sick feeling in my stomach like she'll do some totally reckless nihilistic shit again. And I am not going to stay with her if she cheats on me or does some other weird shit, but I am serious about the other shit, I really won't be able to recover if she breaks it, so I feel a bit held hostage.

I appreciate the productivity in your post btw.

>>18474289
No, I'm not talking about sentimentally. I mean a lot of that naturally, but like, big shit. Eventfulness. You're comparing Star Wars to some romantic drama with Ryan Gosling in it because they're 'both just films'. And you think that's what I'm saying. No dude. Star Wars. Btw fuck Robin Williams I always disliked him.

>>18474293
She's not 19 lol she's older than I am.

I guess a big part of the problem is that, lately, over the past 2 weeks, she's begun to really hardcore ignore me. I think her therapist told her to do it or some shit. It really fucking sucks. I mean I did complain a lot and hit her with a boatload of shit. But she talks to me like once every 3 days, the past two times it's just been to say a paragraph then leave, and it's like the fucking worst. Like something is just wrong with it.

Doesn't help that I bought her a 600 dollar phone and that's right when she started.

Yeah, call me a dumbass or whatever but at least recognise her sociopathy.

>>18473748
This is exactly the same sort of shit that my psychologically abusive sociopathic ex-boyfriend used to say. Took me three years to finally get rid of him and my quality of life has skyrocketed.

>>18474302
For some reason I thought she's 19. I must have confused threads.

Anyway man, you can't force her to talk with her if she doesn't want to. Try to stay in touch with her, maybe this radio silence is just an another phase of her psychosis. I know it sucks to be ignored like that, especially by someone you care deeply about. Shit sucks.

>>18474300
And YOU think that YOUR objective opinion about YOUR personal situation somehow magically has more validity than anyone else's.

It's like comparing your favorite movie with someone else's favorite movie, but literally nobody but the two of you have ever seen them. So you need to rely entirely on the other person's account of the movie, which probably will sound stupid, and at the end of it you're even more assured that your favorite movie /really is/ the best movie.

Christ, you remind me of my old buddy. He dates these girls who treat him like shit, give him nothing but grief, but

>"man you just don't get it like she's different dude, like I know you couldn't understand it bro but like we're special. I know all you have dated as much as me, but you guys just don't know what it's like."

every fucking time. Yeah, they're all super, 1 of a kind, every time. How could we possibly understand?

>>18474305
Sweet but this is about pussy being abusive (mainly because they're mentaly deprived empty husks) okay?

>>18474305
I know a genuine sociopath, too. It's fucking insane how similar all this sounds. The irony is certainly not lost on me. I mean, look,

>>18474313

>>18474305
I can almost guarantee you I am nothing like him and you're conflating me with him out of some sort of generalised and blind anger. Inappropriately.

>>18474307
Thanks for empathising bro, that's a part of why I came here. It helps. I just want to make her see that talking with resolve things. Don't want to force her. She is the polar opposite of normal women in that respect. Never wants to talk about anything.

>>18474316
>I can't take banter it must be proof!
Do you know how fucking stupid you sound right now

>>18474311
It's not about which one is 'best'. It's completely objective. It has to do with eventfulness. Star Wars is objectively more eventful than that one Ryan Gosling film with Kirsten Dunst. If you deny that then take a good long look in the mirror at yourself and question if you have an intact sense of meaning in everyday words.

Nice to hear about your masochistic buddy. It's not just some arbitrary vague 'specialness' that I'm referring to. It's eventfulness.

>>18474316
That post wasn't me. Gonna turn on my trip now.

>>18474320
She's probably having hard time too, and possibly needs some space to rethink her behaviour and all the problems you two are struggling with. It might explain why she's not texting you that much recently.

Another thing that comes to my mind is that she is worried your relationship is over, you hate her or just pity her, or whatever, and she's choosing to distance herself from you to save herself from getting hurt.

In either case, I would just text her from time to time something reassuring. Something that will show her that you still care about her and she is still on your mind and in your heart.

Maybe she will come around.

>>18474300
You talk about her realizing this and that but she won't. I think in order to turn your child-woman around you have to put your ego aside. Yeah you've been terribly wronged and hurt, but you'll never get an apology from her, even if you want and need it, even if you're in the right. If you want her you have to put your ego down for one time and let it slip and try to turn this bundle of negative emotions into a bundle of positive emotions towards you.

I didn't mean you'd tell her you were going to fuck this and that chick, I meant like "hey anonette I went to the place at the lake we used to go to swim, wanna join in next weekend?" Like she could join you or not, if she wants to play nicely then good, if she doesn't so what. You wouldn't punish a kid or a dog for shit that happened months ago, they simply won't get it.

>>18474322
Kek. I got it, but you have to realize how fucking ridiculous the op sounds; it might as well be something he'd say in earnest.

I had to double-take this thread so many times because so little of his posts made any sense. The entire thing boils down to "My girlfriend wants to break up with me. I am god and have predetermined her life. Listen to how great I am."

It's actually pretty scary to read and know that there are people with abusive partners like this.

>>18474333
Nice digits. Very good idea. Though I already know to do this, to give her space and perspective. We've actually already been through 2 cycles of this since I left. Things getting overheated then me cooling down and her coming back.

The problem with this though, the reason I made this thread, is that my underlying situation is sort of deteriorating and out of any other time in our relationship, I need her most right now. But she just gets so offended by it. Like it's the difference between me being a beta and alpha male.

And imaginably it's fucking frustrating and confusing and hurtful and shit. So I want her to stop. But then she threatens to leave me with no remorse.

She basically is in denial that she put me into a situation which would naturally deteriorate to the point where I need to take her up on a get out of jail free card and ask for her help emotionally for once. She's angry that she put us into this situation because it makes her feel like she has no control over her life.

I sympathise with her but I also can't allow myself to be totally cucked with disrespect. Even if she does do it because she's just a baby. Like there's gotta be consequences for what she did. She needs to take some of the hit and just grow up a little. It's fucking a decade and a half past due anyway.

>>18474352
The gf is the one being abusive did you fail 1st grade reading or something hoky shit how are you this dumb

>>18474352
>I'm the abusive one

Dude hahaha, fuck you. I'm serious. You're a piece of shit for saying that. Even though you just don't know. I gave my life for this girl. I gave her so much love. Love she never had. Granted she did the same for me to an extent, in some ways. But I straight up loved this girl like you would never know. And on paper she didn't deserve a drop of it.

>>18474353
My dude, I think (or I hope) you knew what you were getting into when you entered a relationship with her. She is a problem child, and clearly she needs you to be strong and caring and basically keep her shit together for her. It's fine, some people are like that. However, you gotta understand that sometimes people like that, especially mentally unstable and emotionally underdeveloped like her, won't be able to do the same for their partner.

She might not be capable of being a supportive and understanding person due to her mental issues and generally speaking, character. It's of course a very egotistical and cruel stance, but from what you are saying, she is not an ordinary person, so she may be completely oblivious to how hurtful her attitude is. Or maybe she knows but doesn't care anyway; it's hard to say.

For now it looks like the needier you get, the more distanced and uninterested she grows. In this situation, like I said earlier, normally you would just have to address the issue and make her realise that relationships are about being supportive to each other, not about one person being supportive and the other person not giving a flying fuck. There is no other way to solve this, really, and you can't scare/sex/trick/bribe/blackmail her into supporting you and acknowledging your emotional needs.

Lastly my dude, rethink your own situation: do you really want to be with someone who rejects you when you are at your most vulnerable but at the same time expects you to be always there for her?

>>18474393
He talked of her as a child. A child doesn't emotionally support you when you're down. Maybe these expectations of her are just wrong to begin with

What kind of financial state are you even in

>>18474393
No but I just have no choice. My best memories are with her. If I give up on her I give up on them, and then what do I have left to pick myself up with? I would be lugging around a dead carcass for the rest of my life. Maybe that sounds a little dramatic but really, honestly. My mind was convinced while it was happening, this is the most loved, the most free, the youngest you will ever be. And then it just disappears? And I am supposed to go on, make something else. But it would just be 2 in place of 1.

I just want to make her understand. I just want her to grow up a little for me.

>>18474397
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Everything the op said about this girl seems to imply her utter lack the ability to be a compassionate and caring partner. She is not reliable, she is not trusthworthy, she won't pick you up when you're down.

Op made a grave mistake by getting so emotionally involved with her. She is not capable of being a decent partner, and while I can understand that op was fine with it for a time and enjoyed being her father figure and basically, a caretaker, the moment things went tits up he expected her to act like a normal, well adjusted partner. And she's just not that.

>>18474409
You can make new memories with new people. Your life isn't over.

You can't turn her into a proper person unless she wants to, and it doesn't seem like she wants to grow up. The fact that you allow her to be a child and cater her needs will just bring her further down this codependent spiral.

>>18474413
I never expected her to go from 0 to 60. I just wanted her to start moving at all. To make some sort of change. Apparently even that overwhelmed her, even when I was completely there for her and willing to guide her. She has just had such an easy and saved life that she was offended by it and was mentally ill enough to pretend we were in a situation where she could throw herself in denial. Rather than facing it.

>>18474418
Of course I can. I started doing that with other girls the moment I left. But it's not the same thing. It's not just meeting new people and having new and different experiences with them. It's meeting THE person. And having THE experience with her. Something more in terms of that. There is a structural difference.

That structural difference also has a lot to do with age. Which is obviously irreplaceable. It is sad and maybe a bit in bad taste to remind everybody but life isn't the same when you're 31 as it was when you were 21.

>>18474326
You have a LOT of attitude for someone who can't reach very far above their head

>>18474427
The difference is in the mindset.
People at 20 love without expectations, people at 30 love with a plan in their head.
If you don't pressure it, if you go into it because you want to, if you enjoy yourself you will have similar and probably better experiences.

It is not THE experience. It is not THE person. There ain't such a thing.
And, anyway, your memories won't go away - they'll be there. You'll just move forward and have a partner that can make you happy. She clearly isn't that partner.

>>18474409
I feel you man, I do. I know that people keep saying that this relationship is not special or different, but I believe that it is special and different for you. And that's fine, it's normal.

I will tell you that though: most people go through something like this. Most people at some point experienced loss of their perfect parter, a partner they loved to death, a partner they trusted with everything, a partner who made them realise what life is about, a partner who helped the to find their inner self. Losing someone like this sure feels horrible, It's the sky crashing down on your head and no hope left, and all memories tainted, or past and all future just a big bloody gaping wound. And all kinds of other emotional cringy feels.

Naturally nobody wants to experience that, and many people who go through such break up feel like there is nothing left for them and they will never find another person they'll love like that.

And you know dude, I think it might be true for some people. I'm not saying that one love for life is a meme that doesn't exist, but I think that usually people manage to find someone else. It might take years after a bad break up till you feel ready to start dating again, and years till you find someone special, but from my own experience I can tell you that it happens. Some people have the one that got away and can't help it and are missing that person even while in a happy relationship with someone else. Some people get over the one that got away and are completely happy in a relationship with a new person. Some people never get over the one that got away and can't fall in love with someone else.

You have no way of knowing to which category you belong, my dude. I know that right now you are overwhelmed with emotions and feel like this girl is the only one that will ever understand you and make you feel in this special way, but fuck knows if that's true. There's plenty people out there.

>>18474365
That's the thing, dude. Your treating love like it's money. It's not. Nobody owes you shit just because you gave a lot of it out.

You're basically asserting that she needs to be in a relationship with you because you bothered to grace her with your admiration. That's not how it works.

Shit dude you keep talking about how in love you are and how she can't live without you, but even in your own twisted perception of what's going on read to us, it sounds like she's doing fine without your influence. I mean, if you think her therapist told her not to talk to you, what do you think that actually says about your impact on her? Or does she just not get it, either?

>>18473719
How's it ruining you financially? Did you guys open a joint bank account? Also seems like the Relationship is over. I went out with a girl once who was schizophrenic, had no idea until she told me to stop talking to the person on my left even though it was only two of us in the room. From there shit deteriorated real quick. All the personal attacks and shit. I really loved her but had to let her go. Shit hurt but I am stronger cuz of it.

Thread too long, didn't read, but you have to be a sociopath too. I'm currently dating one and right from the start I didn't gave her much attention and all attention i would give were clearly fake. Little by little she got used to it and she felt confortable with talking crazy shit with me. Since I couldn't care less we started dating anyways.
We are very clear that our relashinship is confortable and good, but there are nothing attached, anyday we can break up with each other and the other side wouldn't care.
Of course we both have good social skills and are pretty intelligent so it worked out pretty well.

On the other side, clearly you have a dumb borderline/histrionic girlfriend wich is the worst kind of people to have a relationship. She is not psycho, so there is no counter. Eand even if you leave her she will still pursue you for months, even years, shitting with your life.

You are screwd anon, ed this relationship as soon as possible and seek a therapy to end this obsession of yours for overly attached and dependent people.

>>18473719
The second girl threatens to leave you, let her go. You cant love unconditionally.

Yout first priority is your well being. She is second priority. Period. If you both love each other, no matter what problem you encounter, BOTH of you will find compromise.

Also telling crazy people they are crazy is waste of time. Cut her from your life as a tumor.

>>18473852

man you sound like a pussy, just let her go you fag. There's no "i need to be with her" unless you're fucking arranged married or something

>>18474472
>"hurrrrrr OP's girl can be as abusive as she wants hurrrrrrr"
Fucking mental gymnastics of this holy shit consider swallowing a shotgun shell

Not a sociopath, just going crazy because she can't handle the stress that comes with acting on an affair. Quite normal actually.

Run and never look back. Her life is her responsibility, and if she feels like trashing it it's her decision. You can either drown with her or safe your ass.

tl;dr - Burn this bridge.

>>18474924
Yes, she can.

Is it right? That's not really my concern. But she /can/ do whatever she wants, regardless of how it makes OP feel.

>>18474980
Right which means he can treat her however he sees fit, which you were bitching about because he was being "abusive". Don't know what point you were trying to make but you proved mine so ty

>>18475006
Lol, just because I think OP is a tool doesn't mean I'm excusing her behavior. They're both abusive. That's a toxic relationship, for both of them.

You're pretty eager to set up those strawmen. Take your red pill thirst back to /pol/.

>>18475006
She clearly wants to leave him but doesn't find it easy to completely let go. This notion seems impossible to get through OP's skull. And just because he calls her a sociopath doesn't mean that is what is going on in any measure. If this thread has shown us anything it's that OP has quite the ego and will refuse the notion he might be wrong or even just have a subjective take on the matter.

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> ITT
> My girlfriend is a sociopath, and so am I; she needs to change, but I'm good.

>>18473809

Holy shit each new post you make is more unhinged than the last. You call others sheltered, but you are deluded to an absurd degree.

>>18473719
>How do you meaningfully counter sociopathy in women
You can't unless you are qualified to help people with that problem.
If she is a toxic person, leave her.
If that's not an option accept that you are a loser who will settle for a bad relationship rather than being single.

Both Op and his Gf have different but severe mental health issues it seems. While their relationship can work it would require a large amount of therapy.

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>OP is clearly some woman-hating psychopathic /pol/shit
>200 posts of people trying to help him

The only help he needs is a bullet through his stunted brain.

>>18475085
I can't get that notion through my skull because I just don't buy it. I've said this already. There's a big difference between a girl losing interest in her boyfriend because she realises she can do a lot better and a girl 'losing interest' in her boyfriend because he is starting to expect her to act like an adult woman and this is severely clashing with her fantasy world of being a totally irresponsible child for her whole life.

I just see it as a desperate move to gain leverage over me.

>>18475221
>2017
>having a strong sense of justice is a 'severe mental issue'
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>>18475419
You have obsessive love issues bordering on an attachment disorder. While I recognize you love and care for her, your extreme reactions are because of this. Both you and her need help.

I am in the same boat as you with a partner who left me in the same manner as yours at the start of June, and who acts exactly like yours does.

I know every second away from someone like that feels worse than death, so you think she is being a sociopath because she can't recognize that feeling. Seriously though, just hope she comes back around and when she does get help together so you can make your relationship healthy instead of toxic.

>>18473719
>What do I do.

Nothing. You don't get to control other people. She decides to leave you, that's it. You don't actually get a say in it.

>>18475431
That may be a little bit of a projection there friendo.

Yeah sometimes I cry because I miss her and am sad at how far away my old life is, which is funny because I thought that was mediocre and now I would kill to get it back. But I am not really super torn up or anything. On paper, yes, but I have a little (a lot) more composure surrounding the whole situation than what your diagnosis would suggest. That's not to say however I will remain composed into the future, if she continues to act this way towards me.

The reason I call her a sociopath is because she's being abusive to scratch an itch of her own denial, sparing her own ego when it will end up killing both of us, but in particular, her.

So I'm laughing at people trying to flip the sociopath thing back onto me because this is all really about my concern for her wellbeing.

>>18475432
This reads like masochism to me. If the situation were flipped you would be lamenting my lack of concern and telling her I totally need to stick around with her because not doing so would be a big mean asshole thing to do.

>>18475432
No, the person does has a right/say if a substantial amount of time and attachment has elapsed don't be stupid

>>18475455
>If the situation were flipped you would be lamenting my lack of concern and telling her I totally need to stick around

First, No I wouldn't. If you decided that you didn't want to be with her, I'd say don't be with her. Why would I tell you to stay with someone you don't want to be with?

Second, I didn't say what she should or should not be doing. Whether or not she should stay with you isn't what's being discussed here. We are talking about what you can do, which, as I said before, is nothing.

>>18475458
In what alternate reality do you live in that you get to veto someone breaking up with you?

I would really like to hear how that works.

>>18475461
>Why would I tell you to stay with someone you don't want to be with?
Specifically because people don't actually know what they feel in that way and usually end up making terrible, just really bad decisions when they make snap judgments like that and stick to them out of pride.


>We are talking about what you can do, which, as I said before, is nothing.
People who are so stern like you in their evaluations always strike me as people who had autism before but developed some place out of it and now it's like some sort of trauma for them. Then they deal with it by thinking of the world in such completely angry, unrelenting terms. Like you sound like you're yelling at yourself, at the autistic child inside of you, trying to discipline them out of their inability.

>NO, YOU DON'T GET A REASONABLE PARTNER, NO NO NO, YOU ONLY GET HARSH ICE COLD LOVELESS DECISIONS MADE OUT OF YOUR CONTROL, THAT'S WHAT U DESERVVEEEE

Like shit bro haha take it easy on him

>>18475464
He isn't saying it's some sort of democratic process. Again with your autism. What we mean is that it's more of a process, than an instance. And if, for instance, I had more reasonability in my desire to not end the relationship than she did in her desire to do so, the process would probably lend way towards my wishes, rather than hers, because they are actually in her better interest.

You pretend like everyone knows their own self-interest perfectly and like the majority of people don't make completely dumbass decisions which they later prove to regret. Yeah it could be me, but it also could be her. Point is in your version of reality, you don't even entertain that possibility.

>>18475464
Operating under the precedent established by alimony, emotional qualms relating to the relationship must be treated in largely the same fashion. The obvious differences being the lack of monetary exchanges between parties and so on

>>18475467
>People who are so stern like you

How am I being stern?

> strike me as people who had autism before but developed some place out of it

You don't know how autism works, do you?

> they deal with it by thinking of the world in such completely angry, unrelenting terms

What? I just told you there's nothing you can do if your girlfriend decides to leave you. That's not angry or unrelenting. I actually feel quite bad for you. You can't come up with a solution yourself, so why can't you accept that there may be nothing you can do?

>>18475489
You're being stern because the way you view the world is overbearingly in black and white. You make it sound like once a woman gets the slightest inclination to leave the relationship is just full stop beheaded and you might as well live in a different galaxy than her.

And you don't know how autism works if you don't think it's something people naturally develop out of all of the time.

>What? I just told you there's nothing you can do if your girlfriend decides to leave you.
First off it just sounds masochistic. Our relationship and history and love together just ceased instantaneously because she blew away in the wind on some janky whim. It sounds like someone hurt you and you just use these absolutist terms of reality to cope.

Second, that's really not how it works. Because you can't just up and pretend time, history never happened. It's not an instance, but a process. She can be wrong about 'deciding to leave'. Let that sink in. Unless you're some completely undesirable cuck, women are usually wrong about this. Which is evidenced in the fact that they always end up coming back.

>>18475471
>You pretend like everyone knows their own self-interest perfectly and like the majority of people don't make completely dumbass decisions

Where are you getting that from? Of course people make terrible choices. EVERYONE makes terrible choices. It's part of life.

I didn't say who was in the wrong here. Fuck, I'll even give it too you, breaking up with you would be a terrible decision on her part.

Now, what exactly can you do about it?

>>18475472
This is arguably the dumbest thing I have read all day.

>>18475502
Please explain in fine detail as to why

>>18475499
Are you just afraid of attempting to make decisions for other people, including your significant other, because the concept of rape has been beaten into your head by feminists or something?

It sounds like you don't usually have a whole lot of control over your own relationships with women. You know if they like you they want you to have that control over them, right?

>>18475510
1) You can't actually treat emotions like property or money.
2) It doesn't actually stop anyone from ending a relationship.

>>18475529
I think you can, to a relative degree.

Like emotions are ultimately just physical work, just like property or cash is. If anything that's more or less what emotions are, a currency. Maybe it's not a function on R but that doesn't mean it isn't essentially mappable.

Is there anything from stopping a child from shooting someone with a gun? The child definitely can pull that trigger. That's all you're saying, and it's pure irrelevant tautology.

Can and can't has very little to do with it. It's should and shouldn't. A concept you seem to struggle with at a basic level. Hence why I'm inclined to believe you have experience with autism. No offence.

>>18475518
Dude, you're making it really hard for me to suspend belief and treat you like you aren't just trolling here.

First, I make decisions for people all day long. It's my job. But you don't seem to grasp the basic concept that the only power we hold over others is the power they let us have. If your girlfriend doesn't want to be with you anymore, you've lost all your power.

So, please, tell me, what can you do?

>>18475541
See >>18475499

>>18475529
A person owns their emotions, yes? It's not being treated like money, as was already explained to you. Why even regulate emotions then? Why monthly cash pay outs at the end of a marriage? Why does a marriage, something that's entire foundation is built off of emotion, get treated differently then?

>>18475544
> But you don't seem to grasp the basic concept that the only power we hold over others is the power they let us have
Well this is the point at which I fail to take you seriously if you honestly believe this. Even if it's just sort sort of rhetorical statement.

You're implying there are these boundaries. Between men, it's probably a lot more true. Between a man and a woman who have shared a deep relationship together. Not so much at all. The woman tends to deflate herself, through her own accord I mean. That's just nature. If you don't believe that or aren't willing to admit to it on here then you probably have never experienced a sincere man/woman relationship in your life. Just fake ones sponsored by modern trashy feministic society where women are men who keep themselves at arm's length.

>>18475529
Who can't? People do it all the time; it's far from a possibility. If you think that's wrong and you're in the minority, look inward. The answer is closer than you think.

>IIT: OP is a sexist pig who will most likely murder his ex because it was 'for her own good'

>>18475549
No, a person does not own their emotions.

>Why even regulate emotions then?

Emotions aren't regulated.

> Why monthly cash pay outs at the end of a marriage?

It's based on hundreds of years of legal precedent. In large part because historically, marriages weren't based on emotional attachment.

>>18475563
>IIT: OP is a
>IIT: OP
>IIT

>>18475556
Okay, so, if this is true, why don't you just tell your ex that she can't leave you?

>>18475566
How do they not? Explain. A person's biological urge to kill is regulated (do not murder). Some peoples emotions may dictate they want to fuck a dog. That emotion is regulated ad infinitum you get the basic idea. True, but you'd be an idiot to not see the clear contrasts of marriage today and then

>>18475566
>marriages were just civil contracts meme

>>18475571
I did, and for the most part she's listened to me.

The problem isn't her leaving me though. It's her disrespecting me when I tell her this is the one time she cannot. But she's too much of a baby to understand. Too much of a little girl to see that sometimes she really can't be a selfish little girl, and just because I can't sustain that illusion (delusion) doesn't mean she gets to threaten me with leaving.

>>18475583
You're in charge, right? Just tell her to stop.

>>18475589
Again it's not can and can't. It's should/shouldn't.

If I say, "she shouldn't act this way", you coming back with "well she CAN, ultimately" does not negate it. You're not winning the game, you're just refusing to play. It's pure cowardice.

>>18475579
You can't control your emotions. You control the actions you take.

Not hitting someone doesn't mean you don't feel anger.

>>18475600
You can control your emotions. It's just whether or not you should has to be for a greater reason.

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Break off contact with her, block her on any social media or messaging and move on. You're not change her in this way. Get her out of your life as hard as it is and if she doesn't do well on her own then that's unfortunate, but she wasn't doing well with you as of recent either which is why she is trying to abandon you.

Honestly, all I can say is leave, there really is no solution that can actually work better for both of you than this.

>>18475600
Both can be controlled. If what you are saying is actually the case, why teach people to manage their emotions then? Why build so much of legal framwork based off of signaled out emotions actions and reactions then?

>>18475606
If I give her what she wants, that's just going to lead her more deep into this idea that the world revolves around her selfishness. She will seriously end up killed. She has lived a perfect charmed baby life where her feet have never actually touched the ground, even well into her 20s. I'm not going to enable that. I can't do that in good conscience. She needs to grow up. Or else she's going to get killed.

I don't really care about her leaving. She just can't up and abandon me without taking some of the hit for what she's done. That shit is absurd.

>I don't really care about her leaving.
>She just can't up and abandon me without taking some of the hit for what she's done.

Oh. So you do care. Because you're a fucking vengeful sexist pig who has had his precious ego stepped on.

>>18475598
Okay. She shouldn't do this. And....? Alcoholics shouldn't drink. Pedophiles shouldn't touch kids. People constantly do things they shouldn't do. And they do so because human beings have agency of their own. They get to make their own choices, even if they are the wrong choice.

If you have some sort of control over her, just make her stop. If you don't, then you get to talk to her, and ask her to stop. If she doesn't, and you aren't willing to leave her, you don't have anything else you can do.

You apparently can't come up with any other solution yourself, otherwise you wouldn't be asking others what you should do, so why is this so difficult to accept?

>>18475618
>She just can't up and abandon me without taking some of the hit for what she's done.

Why not?

>>18475638
>"Why can't OP's girl be a massive abusive whore without even the slightest reprecution, whaaaaa why would you stand up for yourself sexist"
That is (you)

>>18475626
Not really. I am so good about rejection I have literally changed girls' minds of me just in the way I took it. And sometimes they don't, and we go our separate ways and never look back, or we become friends or something.

It's more like, this shit has actual consequences and I am worried for her life and wellbeing to an extent which you could probably never grasp because it is paternal in nature.

>>18475632
You talk like you just have a blank spot where that normal sense of social urgency should be. It's not something you can successfully put into words, but it's something along the lines of, don't, or else you will lose all of your social capital, point blank. Like that guy who works at Apple who just called the woman a cambodian nigger. Of course he """shouldn't""" do shit like that, but oh well because he """did""" do it so what's the use in should/shouldn't.

Except there is because that funny cocksucker's life is now ruined. Out of a job. His entire social circle has probably disowned him. And the point is, of course he can move forward with his life, of course he can get new employment and new friends, eventually, but that instance of embarrassment, of failure, will always be there. It will never rub off from the balance sheet of his history. It will always control his life somehow now that it's done and over with. Even if most times in painfully minute ways.

And that's where it comes from. Why should/shouldn't is so vital.

>>18475649
Standing up for yourself would be leaving. Which OP is obviously not capable of comprehending because he's such a bleeding heart he can't fucking section her.

>>18475652
>Let me avoid the point at hand and explain how consequences work

Who's not playing the game now?

tfw this dumb thread is still up

Op, your ex is a shitty person and you can't and won't change that
Just stop
If you want to teach her a lesson, write her a message explaining her fuck ups and then cut the contact. If she ends up getting killed then oh wow, it's her fault. She's what, 30? And out of looney house so it's up to her and not you how she'll live her life

This goddamn thread has over 260 replies and I feel like only 20% of the thread has gotten the point - the sociopath here isn't OP's girlfriend, it's OP himself.

All of his grandiose language is nothing but hubris and faux-intellectualism. He's convinced himself he's infallible, that he is the only one that can dictate his ex girlfriend's direction in life, and thinks she is a baby, who somehow lived 20+ consecutive years of existence without crumbling under his lead before he came along to lead her on the right course. He's spent too much time on /r9k/, /pol/, or some other "redpill" site that has left him with delusions of grandeur.

In reality, OP is just nuts. He expects a little submissive puppet of a girlfriend, and despite all of her efforts to get away, he thinks Anonymous is gonna tell him how to psychologically manipulate him into seeing that he was always right.

OP, it's time to grow up, let your balls drop, and let her go. She doesn't want to be around anymore, she doesn't want you to act like the goddamned Red Skull and act patronizing to her, whatever she saw in you is dead.

You're not this ascended paragon of morality and justice that you see yourself as, you're just a joke to anyone who can see through the facade.

Now kindly, fuck off.

>>18473719
This is why you have to be careful with whom you choose to be in a sexual or marital relationship with.

You can't ever be with someone stupid or unstable, nor can you be with someone who actively associates with the stupid or unstable.

When people disregard reason and things like their own benefit, you can't deal with them. Since her friends/family are also stupid and unstable, and most of the people who make decisions in the goverment are stupid and unstable, your best bet is to just move to another country.

>>18475662
You didn't read through the thread. This isn't just a normal relationship. Yes, if it were, if it weren't just basic attachment only based on sentimentality, leaving her if she was abusive to me would be a good move. It is not however quite so simple.

The problem is if a fish hook is in your thigh, it just looks like a needle. So some of you assholes are just yelling at me to 'stop being dumb and yank it out'. But you don't realise it's caught around the femoral artery and pulling it would be suicide.

>>18475679
You're just stuck on the traumatic realisation that there's no real way to effectively control people. But I'm here trying to promote ideas which would give people that power, and only where it is deserved. I don't care if what is being talked about only reaches a handful of people. Every little bit counts.

>>18475688
You say these things like we aren't all aware of this.

And I for one never want this thread to end.

>>18475688
>all of this stupid projecting shit you just typed to defend an abusive whore
Holy molly women really are never responsible for anything are they?

>>18475695
God you're a fucking slime ball.

>>18475695
>But I'm here trying to promote ideas which would give people that power

I would really like to know how that works.

>>18475705
>"Fuck it I got nothing I'll just throw out ad hominems
LMAO

>>18475688
She got lucky and some rich beta took her when she was young. She was completely sheltered when I met her and honest to God did not understand a lot of basic things. So the 20+ consecutive years thing is void.

Also she, SHE, is the one who wanted to be totally submissive and irresponsible. I had problems with her early on because I just wanted an equal partner but, like I said yesterday, she just got angry at me whenever I moved her in that direction. She couldn't do it.

And here's the thing. She'll come crawling back to me. I know because she has done it before. And if she doesn't it will be purely out of spite and misplaced pride, like how she was able to pretend her previous guy stopped existing. That is some grade A sociopathic bullshit, let me tell you, it turned my stomach whenever I would witness it, so, speaking of facades, yours too crumbles. My friend. My balls might as well be at the core of the Earth.

>>18475708
You got btfo earlier samefag you already used that line

>>18475695
So why is it you're okay with her ending the relationship, but ending it yourself would kill you?

>>18475721
Did you not read the OP he says it in it dumbass

>>18475695
My god, you are so deluded
>This isn't just a normal relationship.
No, it's not. It's an abusive relationship, but not an atypical one.

You are weak, so weak that you can't accept the simple fact that your psycho ex doesn't want you. She doesn't give a SHIT about your feelings, she doesn't give a fuck that you are her """"paternal""" figure who is supposed to """"protect""" her forever and ever. She is done and far away, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. No amounts of manipulation or mental gymnastics will help you.

I wish I could witness the moment you realise that. You'll just crumble, my weakling. You will crumble and she'll be happy on other man's lap.

>>18475688
I want to date you

>>18475713
>She'll come crawling back to me
so just wait.

>>18475703

>me and my 4chan pals are supreme gentlemen, always gotta blame the "it must be a woman" boogeyman

Thanks for playing, I just know how to get women without being a total fuckin' psychopath like OP.

>>18475720
And yet no one actually answered the question. So I'm not seeing how I got btfo.

But okay, I got rekd.

So I would legitimately like to know how to get this power myself.

>>18475731
You getting other women has nothing to do with anything that has been discussed at all. OP isn't even a psychopath. Rather eager to set up strawmans now aren't we?

>>18475721
I'm okay with either of us ending the relationship. It just needs to be done on realistic terms. As in don't fucking abandon me right when things go downhill for me and I start to actually need you.

Forget the people can walk whichever direction they want thing for a second. It's about her being this completely self-serving parasitic entity with no remorse and no sense of perspective. I don't care if I'm the biggest asshole in the world, what's more important is not allowing women to think they have the right to be that way just because they're the "weaker sex".

Women have responsibility. Women are responsible for their actions. Women are subject to the same moral precepts as are men. Perhaps not to the exact same degree, but all in all, if you deny this you are a faggot.

>>18475729
Sad pussy. Histrionic pussy. Jealous pussy. No one cares about your daddy issues hun.

>>18475730
That's the whole point and the reason why I made this thread, as you will see if you scroll up towards the beginning. I am sick of her disrespecting me. I am sick of her putting me through retarded tests to see if "I am a viable man" "a valid mate" because she's too fucking blind out of her own childish selfishness to assess it naturally.

I don't want to just wait. I want her to stop being a complete asshole. To grow up a year past 12, because she got us into this terrible fucking situation and she, SHE, needs to take the heat for it this time.

>>18475725
Mind providing an exact quote? Because he didn't.

And stop pretending you aren't OP.

>>18475743
OP, all you're saying is that you can't give her up. If you don't move on you deserve everything that comes to you. Let go of that ego.

>>18475743
>I want her to stop being a complete asshole.

Too bad she doesn't give a flying fuck about what you want, eh? Why are we even talking about this - you have no way to get in touch with her. She's slowly stopping to respond to your messages and you can't afford to go to her place. Ergo, you have no way to influence her.

Just neck yourself if getting dumped is so difficult for you.

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>>18475750
gggggggugugh

>>18475750
>"If she leaves she's going either end up alone and kill herself or end up with a terrible, terrible guy. I cannot stomach that. I never will be able to. What do I do."
And I'm not congrats at shooting at a ghost

>>18473719
Tl;dr
> separated
Kewl. Can I fuck her?

>>18475752
I don't have issues with bypassing my ego. So I really am not a psycho. It's that has managed to tie herself into my life in an inextricable way. And also I probably have tied myself into her too. She's just a dumb sweet animal trying to break a net she doesn't realise is saving her life. And if I spent my whole week attempting to save this animal, what sort of thing would it be to do to just instantaneously let it die.

>>18475740

It had to do with the "women can do nothing wrong" quote, which was missing the point of what I said. OP hasn't actually given us any solid examples of his ex girlfriend acting like the baby he insists she is, just saying "trust me I know what I'm talking about," and if we disagree, saying we're from Reddit. And that anon is implying that anyone who disagrees must be a woman.

OP is completely nuts. He's narcissistic and has complete delusions about how great he is, despite the fact he clearly can't cope with his precious ego being damaged - insisting his ex is going to come crawling back because he's so superior.

For as smart as OP wants to think he is, he can't serve himself by speaking with tangible examples to support his commentary. It's a flaw in writing we learn by 10th grade. Maybe he should learn the Jane Schaeffer method.

>>18475753
Is that really the world you want to live in? Where girls can get away with acting inhuman like that? It's real nice and easy to let some chump on the internet have it, all this anger for the sake of women, but what about when it happens to you buddy? You gonna just let it go?


Imagine if someone you were only with out of the goodness of your heart 'dumped' you. Completely betrayed every last bit of your relationship. The absurdity of it. I guess because it's not happening to you it doesn't actually exist, huh?

>>18475743
OP. People already gave you the advice on what you should do to someone who treats you that way, leave.

Some anons who have had issues have pointed out that the only valid time leaving isn't the answer is if you have a serious health issue that makes you dependent upon that person, and that in that case leaving isn't something you could do so you should instead seek help alongside your partner if possible. You however have stated that you don't have a health issue that makes you codependent either.

Ignoring the advice for the average person in your shoes, and dismissing the anons who asked if you had a mental illness leaves us with one other conclusion. You are a controlling asshole, sorry you just are.

>>18475757
Okay. My bad.

You're still a fucking retard. That doesn't explain AT ALL, why he would be fine with her leaving, but not leaving himself. In fact, it just contradicts the statements he's made.

>>18475743
>what's more important is not allowing women to think they have the right to be that way
>Read: 'not allowing women to think that they can end an abusive relationship whenever the fuck they want to.'

Because you don't seem to realize, OP, that an individual CAN leave a relationship at any moment if they so choose. It isn't a contract. You don't have to mitigate the 'reasonable' circumstances under which you're allowed to mutually break up. She HAS ALREADY left you. What you are doing now is stalking, and she could easily acquire a restraining order against you, potentially press charges if you have been harassing her.

>>18475764
Well boy you never asked.

Okay, where to begin.
>She lives off of me.
>She wants to feel like she's an adult
>Can't even do the dishes

>I try to have a conversation with her to explain my emotional needs
>She goes silent the whole time
>I literally need to ask her to respond to me

I'm talking about brain machine broke tier shit.

>>18475764
>OP hasn't actually given us any solid examples
He's given plenty you just don't want acknowledge it because it'd negate (and it does) any points you are trying to make. You're really harping on the example that he's narsistic (his ex will come crawling back) while ignoring all the instances he's done things at the expense of his ego? Bit out of character for a narcissist don't you think? Why make an entire paragraph dedicated to an ad hominem if your point is so stellar?

>>18475775
I believe there is more than just the one other conclusion of me being a controlling asshole.

>>18475783
K sad pussy.

>>18475786
God man thank you. I am surprised someone on adv would make that distinction (acknowledge I have habitually put myself second for her sake throughout our entire relationship) rather than just pursuing that dopamine rush of calling me a narcissist. Bless you dog.

>>18475774
>hurr durr how come some people are really shit and get away with it??!

Yes, you gonna just let it go because logistically there is no other option. Dumbass

>>18475801
>learned helplessness: The Post edition

>>18475796
No problamo
>>18475801
>"Hurrrr I got absolutely nothing in my head so I'm hust gonna meander the person who blew me the fuck out hurrrr"
Laughing and no

>>18475804
Kek, then tell me how are you going to influence her, or teach her a lesson, or force her to acknowledge your feelings when
>you can't see her in person
>she's cutting contact with you

I'm waiting

>>18475808
Say something to her which would express to her the emotional gravity of the bad choice she's making. Idk. There's gotta be something.

It used to be sex. I could just tell her how deep she was going to get fucked for being so bad and she'd crumble willingly. But things are a little to bitter for that now.

>>18475786

Besides his last post and "she let a cashier treat her like a child" (which still isn't even an example with a real situation), he really hasn't. Admittedly, I read the entire thread in about 15 minutes, but I can't find any other tangible examples.

>>18475785
>She lives off of me
Valid.
>She wants to feel like she's an adult
Not valid. These are feelings, not examples of her childish actions. Adults want to feel like adults.
>Can't even do the dishes.
Can't? Won't? Explain a time she couldn't do the dishes. She doesn't know how soap works? Or is it just that she didn't do them when you wanted them done?

>Goes silent during conversation, need to ask her to reply
That's not exactly good communication skills, but it doesn't make her a child, just a shitty communicator.

I still feel like you're not giving good examples of childishness, or her inability to function in the world, besides living off of you.

>>18475817
Then go through it again LMAO

>>18475754
You do know this doesn't actually prove anything, right?

>>18475813
Oh look, OP sounds humble for once!

You can say something, of course. But the problem is, she can choose to ignore whatever you have to say. Hell, she can even opt not to read your message. You don't have anything solid, Op. And most likely you won't find the magical "something" because unfortunately your ex is a child with no conscience. She just doesn't care and you have no tools nor power to make her care.

Looks like she'll get away with being a bad girl after all.

>>18475817
No, it was that she's so immature the store clerk genuinely thought she was a young girl. The clerk girl was a little out there and she is small and baby looking and acting, but still, it says something.

And those things weren't points, they were syllogisms. Which is why I clustered them. As in she lives of me is the basis, she wants to be an adult is the thesis, and she can't even do the dishes (out of sheer laziness btw) is the antithesis.

>That's not exactly good communication skills, but it doesn't make her a child, just a shitty communicator.
No, it makes her an absolute dysfunctional child of a woman. She was incommunicative to a pathological degree, and tried to pass it off as some sort of spiritual practice of upholding femininity and tradition. But really it's become clear to me, being as how she can't follow through with the other traditionally feminine things like being nurturing to me the one time I actually need it, it was just black selfishness which needed an excuse.

Her fantasy of being just some meek, modest woman was held up on the back of my toil and suffering.


But like, yeah, she can function in the world in the wipe your own ass sort of way. But it's just going to give her a terrible, terrible fucking life. And ruin mine by proxy. To let her go off that way I mean.

>>18475825
Just did. Found nothing.

Does she not clean her stuff? Do shopping? Groceries? Pay bills? Have a job? Do cooking?

>>18475786
>ignoring all the instances he's done things at the expense of his ego?

What instances are those? I can't seem to find any.

>>18475839
Ruin you how?

Really. Full example. You said you already lost your job and friends. So what now? You have nothing to lose. Holding on just makes you look bad.

>>18475830
It absolutely does you paranoid fuck. You're telling me I did that in photoshop or office or whatever, recapped it, and posted it in that short elapsed time? No chance.

>>18475831
K but is that really the kind of world you want to live in. Would you be alright if my situation happened to you? Of course not.

>>18475842
She had no job, terrible at cooking, too lazy. She would clean the house once every other week but then not pick up after herself and it would get just as messy within 3 days. She just lived off me and watched shows all day.

The way I see it, you can't do anything about it now. The fact that she's still alive and not dead like you were expecting shows that she's not the little Child you were expecting.

Saged and reported. This thread is utter bullshit and deserves to be pruned as fast as possible.

>>18475853
>You're telling me I did that in photoshop or office or whatever, recapped it, and posted it in that short elapsed time?

Uh, no. You screen capped a response from someone else. Not the person I was talking to.

>>18475853
By the way, this is a really important point. Her being lazy, because the whole big reason why she's mad at me, why she's so resentful now and is treating me like shit, is because her family basically made her get a job, and now she has to work all day. And I can imagine it's just so fucking insulting for her.

Maybe that's why I made this thread, to remind myself of that insight. This is why she's being so sociopathic towards me, because she is sort of in the same situation in her mind, being forced to work, to violate herself, with no escape.

But the thing is, this is her fault. I begged her to not pull that trigger. I literally was on my knees crying, trying desperately to get her to understand the gravity of what she was doing, she was crying too, but she did it anyway. She walked away from me.

And now this is are life but she can't take responsibility for what she did.


So that's what this thread really is all about. This inability for women to take basic responsibility. This pathological system we have set up where women are babies, even in the times where they really can't be.

Maybe she doesn't want to take care of you because you're a cock.

>>18475867
And I included another to show the contrast in (You)s.

You said one post was me, it would have shown a (You) next to your post link.

The other post below was actually for me and thus showed that (You).

To deny it's proof is to say I shopped the (You) in or out of either post link.


>>18475860
I meant in the next decade or so. Her days are limited living on the backs of her extended family. She'll just end up with an actual psychopath who won't stand for her child bullshit and will just kill her. That or she'll hop around from beta to beta and never come close to being satisfied.

>>18475873
Maybe I'm a cock because she doesn't want to take care of me. Dare I say it is chicken and egg.

>>18475868
>inability for women to take basic responsibility

Oh. You mean like how you keep promoting it?

How you think she can't take care of herself?

This is really a thread about your deep seeded misogyny.

>>18475853
>hurr durr big bad world

This world is not the kind of world I want to live in, no. But there is no other world. I don't know under what rock you live, but if you're starting to realise that this is how our world operates, indeed you must be very detached from the reality. I pity you. You choose to date a cruel, callous mental case and you were careless enough to trust her with your most vulnerable side. You made yourself emotionally dependent on her to an unhealthy degree. And now when your crazy little bitch acts like a crazy little bitch you are surprised and seem to be unable to comprehend how can it be that a shitty person behaves like shit.
This transcends naivety; it's pure idiocy. But it's your own fault.

The best part is that realistically you can do nothing about it, and so this whole thread with 300+ posts is pointless.

>>18475879
No, not taking responsibility for themselves, that is not the trade off. It's taking responsibility for your partner's emotional needs.

Women can never even enter that game field in which they need to take responsibility for themselves because men will by nature, by default, throw themselves at the woman in order to do it for her. How many fuckable homeless women have you seen (who don't have a pimp around the corner with a street eye on her making sure she hustles her quota).

>>18475853
If your situation happened to me, which it has, I'd break up with the toxic dead weight. Again. And again, and again, and again, because that is your only move left. It's taken all day of literally everyone telling you this, and it's still not getting through.

There isn't anything you can do to just MAKE someone be how you want. Besides, you only have asserted two things for sure:

1. How stupid she is, and
2. How much she needs you to survive

But every time you post, I believe the opposite to be true just a bit more.

>>18475877
Are you really gonna use a 2nd grader's logic for your supposedly super adult, magically unique relationship? "She did it first"?

>>18475883
This is the thing with you guys. You will just continually escape it and reset it into me just being naïve. Look, I grew up hanging around some of the scummiest people. Deep in the city. I know how the world works. This is not that though. Niggers can be niggers. We are not. That's the point. It's not people doing niggerish things, for lack of more apt word, but people who aren't and who shouldn't be niggers doing niggerish thing.

Once you let go of that, it's chaos. Everything.

>>18475853
It doesn't matter what type of world you want to live in. You live in this one, and that's how it works.

Would I be all right if your situation happened to me? I have been in your situation. It hurt like a mother fucker. And you know what I did? I let the relationship go, got help, learned my lesson, moved on, and met my wife, with whom I have an incredible, positive, loving, and supportive relationship with for almost 10 years.