/AOGA/ - Ask the Opposite Gender Anything

repostin because im struggling with this shit

>friends with girl
>we both extremely comfortable with each other
>im dicking tons of females while barhopping
>maybe 7 in last 2 months all random snapchat/tinder females
>friend is kind of a good girl but we just click and are really good friends
>used to tell me she didn't wanna have sex because of it
>she been throwing out all these "i love you" comments and being really standoffish now when she sees my snaps/out partying
>"Well I stopped inviting you out because you never accepted and you always threw it in my face I would leave with someone else"
>few days pass she is being really emotionally open and dropping deep convos + spamming i love you thanks for being there for me
>finally just ask her "Look I know im kind of a casual sex guy but are you catching feels finally just tell me to stop it and I will"
>"Do you want something from me just ask and be honest we are friends and i will be open with you I would love to be with you not just for sex but a real relationship"
>her response "I don't wanna answer that"
>my response "then stop with the mixed signals because you know I care about you"

if she doesn't openly admit to wanting to make an attempt should I cut her off if she keeps sending mixed messages and being lovey dovey. I aint good with lovey dovey if its not legit and she never used to do this. her response of "I don't wanna answer that" makes me think she feels some type of way

>>18415597

You put her in the friendzone lol. She doesnt want to answer because she wants you but doesnt want to lose you; sitting in limbo, in her mind, is the safest option to prevent that.

Obviously she wont just open up and all that shit because she knows first hand you are into casual sex and not really into relationships. Shes afraid of being just another girl to you like all the other girls. Cant blame her, thats your pattern. Nothin wrong with that either though.

Id say that if you truly want a relationship with this girl, you need to prove to her that you do, and that you are done with the hookup scene FOREVER. Thats a big commitment. Telling her you are isnt good enough. You gotta earn her trust through your actions. How you do that is the complicated part, you know her, we dont. Maybe another anon can expand on that.

>tldr yes she is crazy about you but afraid to admit it

i'm about to quit my job this thursday and i gonna tell the girl i like that i like her tomorrow because well i gonna quit the job so if she tells me no, then i guess fine because i not gonna se her anymore

BUT to be honest i cant calm myself i kind want to do it RIGHT FUCKING NOW just to get it out of my chest and even that i know that if she tells me to fuck off and i not gonna see her i still feel like shit from just thinking about it

I need some help to fucking calm myself and how to properly do it tomorrow, i cant get my shit together since i finished school and started my work adult life i had no relationships anymore (3 years) and i feel like a retard i dont even know if i remember how to kiss..

This girl was in a shitty 2 month relationship with a coworker in this same company and it ended pretty bad and i was told that another coworker tried to get her out and the girl told him to fuck off (because this guy is actually married and 12 years older than her) and im afraid i gonna be the 3rd retard that is chasing her in the same fucking job and i feel like shes gonna tell me to fuck off because "oh my god a 3rd guy too?" kind of deal.

Send help and nudes pls

>>18415612
I love her as a friend right now and can totally see being with her but yeah I guess I did friendzone her but she started that by saying "lets just be friends"

>>18415611
My last post in prev thread


I only have casual hookups because I don't have a steady girl and safe protected sex with no strings attached is fine with me.

I think maybe that if offputting to her because she has only been with 2 guys ever and she doesn't even masturbate lmao she is 23.........

Men, would you be ok with your gf or wife supporting you? Would you be ok with her supporting a whole family if you had one? Do men feel obligated to be the main provider?

>>18415623
>I love her as a friend
yeah

anon, she's fucking crystal clear about her signals. If anybody, it's you who's messing up the communication

>>18415625
only two conditions
-she doesn't give me the shit about her making cash for me
-I'm confident about her not willing to leave me one day for this reason

>>18415625
I personally would be perfectly ok with this. The better financially secured our family is the better, no matter who's making the money.

>>18415625
ehh
I wouldnt really wanna be just macking off her her desu. If im working too but she makes more I guess its ok

>>18415597
>>18415623
>lmao
First of all, not nearly as uncommon as you seem to think (for women).

Secondly, yeah she might find it off putting but I think there's a bigger chance that she is afraid of ~losing you by dating you. It can be less painful to shut that door (until you start dating someone else, that is) than to wait around and see if she will be enough for you or that you will want to be on tinder again in half a year. It sounds like she has felt jealous and no doubt insecure/inadequate watching your conquests from afar. She might also worry about whether she will be able to not experience resentment if you actually got together and she experienced some amount of grief because of this.

I think if you fell for another girl tomorrow or told her it's all or nothing, she'd want to date you. But as is she's on the fence and not daring to take the leap and make herself vulnerable.

why the fuck does every girl want me to stop smoking and drinking after a year of our relationship? Like why couldn't they have just said no to begin with?

>>18415625
yes. that's what men do. Good ones anyway.

>>18415642
They've fallen into the ever popular "I can change him" trap.

>>18415597
>you're talking through text.
>talk in real life more than over text.
>she's playing games and has been exposed. you don't see this as a turn off?
>i'd of cut her out of my life completely. she's playing the thin line waiting for your moves.
>the reason you two are friends to begin with is because of a sexual interest from the jump.
>the only way you benefit from this is having the feeling of a girl you know liking you, even if you don't like her the same way back.
>and you know this. so fuck her as a friend or cut her out of your life.
>and i mean block her entirely, don't read messages and reply later on.

>>18415650
The funny part is more than half these women smoke and drank.

>>18415642
Because after a year the pink glasses are off and once they can see clearly again the annoyance kicks in

>>18415642
Several options but to name some;
>you were a fling to them at first and after developing real love they don't want to watch your behavior they feel is destructive
>after seeing more of your life they begin to feel that there's negative patterns related to it, eg you are an angry drunk or it undermines your life in general
>they convince themselves it's no big deal when they are madly infatuated and when the first bliss stabilizes a bit they realize that nope, they can't (eg they never dated a smoker and don't realize just how often they will smell smoke on you and your belongings)
>fantasies about long term life together, sudden investment in how healthy and youthful you are going to grow older, which beforehand didn't feel like their problem

why are dudes so grossed out by body hair lmfao it's stupid

>>18415662
Just seeing >>18415657, another one incoming;

>they feel you are a bad influence on them (getting in the way of quitting or amping up their own habits with your higher pace) and don't want to have to choose between keeping their life on track as they want to and being together with you

>>18415664
I'm assuming you're talking about female body hair? Body hair is a pretty masculine trait, so it's only natural for it to be a turn off for guys

>>18415664
I'm not really too much agaisnt it. i actually kinda hope my gf (whenever i get one) has a bush.

>>18415664
I'm not

>>18415674
Not who you replied to, but both men and women naturally have leg hair, armpit hair, and pubic hair, so I'm confused as to why it's specifically a masculine trait

>>18415618
are you implying you are going to ask her out on a date? just telling her "Femanon, I like you." she would reply with, "No" ? <---wtf

>you know the risk. also remember that your business ain't even your business. she's a girl for one, and for two it's at work. you'll be remembered as that guy who tried to score and failed, while she remains happy rejecting you, because in the back of her head she knows that a guy likes her in some way, making her feel good period.

that's the thing you are one of those typical people who "entered the real world" or is now "an adult" when really you yourself are putting these labels and transitions in your life for you to go through. that's where your issue starts, not with liking this girl. otherwise you wouldn't have any issues interacting with her. there's a duality here that needs to be addressed.

you're not the only 3rd retard. she's the main retard. she's a girl. she's receptive to males who have sexual interest with her. she's also a staple employee, already has established her existence within the work environment. you telling her your feelings and asking to hang out with her is not going to do any good for you. i'm sorry but at this point this is sounding real pathetic.

i'm sure she's at least one of those average girls or higher, and loves the fact guys like her. again even if she rejects guys she likes the fact they like her. period.

>>18415662
>>18415665

Well alright then. Thank you. Looks like I want to be alone some more. Currently not giving a fuck about anything anyway.

>>18415674
This logic makes no sense, muscle is also a more masculine trait. Men build muscle faster because of their testosterone, and because men naturally have lower bodyfat at the same weight category than women, a slim woman looks softer than a slim man. Still doesn't keep people from loving fit women.

Also despite it being a masculine trait there's plenty of men who dislike their own bodyhair.

>>18415625
Yes. Yes. Not really.

>>18415664
If I wanted to date a hairy human, I'd date a man.

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>started masturbating at an early age
>terrified of being caught as we couldn't lock doors
>trained myself to be completely silent during the whole process
>get a bf
>bf thinks he's doing something wrong because I am dead silent the entire time

kill me

>>18415688
>>18415644
>>18415636
>>18415633


What about her working while pregnant? Like having to work all the time when it's physically hard on her to support you

>>18415701
Start small. Sigh, say small stuff you can bring yourself to say ("yes" "there" "please"), make a "mmpf" noise if he pulls you in.

Women who make noise are not physically forced to. It's more in a grey area, kind of like screaming when going down a rollercoaster. Sure, in 95% of cases you can physically keep it down if you have to. But it detracts from the experience, giving in makes you feel more in tune with what's happening and the urge is natural.
It is natural for people to make noise at things they find beautiful, from the "ahh" at pretty fireworks to "mmm" in response to a delicious food smell. It's far outside of your comfort zone right now but that doesn't mean you can't learn how to be comfortable with it again.

This goes for all the men reading this, as well. Please let your enjoyment show and don't try to fuck like a stoic.

Good luck!

>>18415704
I assume that she's working because she wants to. And hopefully maternity leave gives her enough of a break until I could take care of the kid while she was back at work.

>>18415704
what kind of job is this fucked up?
Also, I wouldn't agree on babysitting and all that stuff. It's biologically-designed female function. So if kids come into equation, I'm getting a job

>>18415709
>giving in makes you feel more in tune with what's happening and the urge is natural
that's pretty hard for me to imagine. every sound i try to practice just sounds stupid and forced like porn. bf wants to eventually make me scream and that's just not gonna happen

>>18415664
Because it is expected, which means that the people who do not have body hair are associated with those who either are ignoring any hygiene or making a political statement.

Why is brushed hair more attractive than tangled hair? If the hair is clean, does it matter if it has knots? Isn't it natural for it to have knots?

Societal norms are getting less crazy about body hair. I know that I certainly neglect to shave my legs for weeks and sometimes months at a time. I still feel more put together when I shave it off. Perhaps that will change someday.

>>18415625
no because that would imply i have given up on what i've already worked for in life. sure it'd be cool to not have to be obligated to go work and shit, but that would make me feel like a piece of shit. example if i inherited a billion dollars somehow, i wouldn't quit my job.

our mentality on relationships is so embedded into the personality of ourselves. the reason i don't feel obligated to be the sole provider is because i don't date women who have this normal mentality of being taken care of. obviously i like being able to take care of my girl, but not in the typical way 90% of men do. i am attracted to girls who place challenges in front of themselves and build up off of them, rather than ride the wave of everything and just live life like 90% of all girls. this same mentality can be applied to how women view their own bodies and health.... they all believe they haven't let themselves go yet, but that's the thing... they have already let themselves go and they don't know it.

>>18415664
Because we're humans not animals.

>>18415721
That's why you start very small and only take the next step once -you- feel ready for it. You can also try to practice during masturbation, pro is that you will feel less self-conscious because no one hears you (unless the associations from past secrecy actually make it worse I guess), the downside is that at least for me it comes a lot more natural to make noise when there's a partner there you are already responding to in different ways, than when you are deep inside your head/porn trying to get lost in this train of thought or visual.

Have you talked to him about this yet? I would absolutely try to explain to him that this is just your normal and a reflection of how you were taught to (not) express yourself during sex, not a reflection of how good it does or does not feel. If he never makes noise himself you can point out that this doesn't mean it does not feel good to him, right? (And he can take it to the internet if he doesn't believe that women don't all naturally moan while men all naturally keep silent.) And that porn noises are hugely played up and not exactly a sign that they are experiencing optimal pleasure, just that they are trying to provide optimal pleasure to the view. Hopefully he is mature enough to take your word on you explaining these things about yourself, though.

>>18415737
>humans
>not animals

Boy have I got some bad news for you

>>18415721
Think of it like this: You are communicating when he does something right. I don't go over the top with my sounds, mostly just breathe through my mouth and make an "ah" sound. I also like to say his name, in a "Wow, you make me feel so good, thank you, you're amazing" kind of way.

>>18415737
Actually human body hair is pretty striking, unique and distinctive.

Lurking these comments I am grateful to not be American. I actually think the contrast between bare skin and the visual marker where the genitals are is crazy hot.

>>18415713
Maternity leave is only like 6 weeks and it's unpaid at my work. I'm asking because I'm 7 months pregnant and am really struggling to work so many hours like I usually do, I'm wondering if it be like sexist for me to ask my husband to get a job.

>>18415715
Most non career jobs are like that, they expect you to work practically up until you give birth. I do really early morning shipment unloading and picking up boxes and standing for 8 hour shifts is getting to be to much. I think most women are naturally better with kids but it's not like men are incapable of being the care giver. If that's not your thing tho that's cool, I'm sure lots of women would be happy to have their guy work while they mostly take care of kids

>>18415657
it's control. they feel no loss from telling you these things a year or so in. it's like girls telling me to not workout and instead do other activities that ultimately benefit them in some sort of a way. yet i don't bitch about them eating like shit and not moving around.

>>18415738
Yeah I've talked to him about it. It just makes me sad because he has to ask if I had an orgasm because I've learned to make it that unnoticeable. He makes noise, which is great, I just wish I could match it lol

>>18415701
*shrug* ima dude, I'm similar. I learned to be more vocal.

Either way, as long as you're not deadfishing it and being reciprocative so he knows you're in to it, it doesn't matter too much if you're quiet.

>>18415664
i'm assuming some things cause of your lack of detail but...

brainwashing standards over the years has created a norm. females enable this. males enable this. tv enables this. etc. it's kind of like how guys prefer tight jeans on girls. also a lot of guys really aren't turned off by certain body hair on females.

>>18415753
Well, obviously it's going to be a learning process but I hope what I said gave you some motivation that it really is something you can learn. And the best thing is that if you do have it down, it is another way to feel more immersed!

>>18415701
the reason we make noises during sex is because it helps our partners get off. females do this more and it has become an evolutionary thing. also when we feel things we tend to dramatize things. example when we stand up to stretch we don't gotta make noise with our mouths. or if we eat something hot we don't necessarily need to make a bunch of noises or move around a bunch holding our chests. a lot of these reactions are a part of the social shit pertaining to it.

simply put you are stuck between not knowing how to act and being used to acting a certain way. you don't see so into it. your style wasn't necessarily expected. if i were your bf i'd be more concerned about your physical performance rather than verbal. i'm gonna be a dick here i'm almost certain you just lay. and i'm almost certain both you and your boyfriend enable this. when it comes to your verbal shit, figure it out girl.

>>18415742
i don't really say his name very often for any reason, so for me to suddenly start saying his name. another problem is that i feel like if i start making any sort of noise, the bf will know something's up and it'll just feel fake to him

>>18415759
>as long as you're not deadfishing
let's just take this one problem at a time

>>18415747
>most women are naturally better with kids but it's not like men are incapable of being the care giver.
true, but it's really complicated actually. Mother provides children with scents, white cells, bacterial flora. Men can't really do that
Also, there is a lot of touching, teaching child to behave, feel safe, etc. I'm not certain if men are capable of doing it well (that's not to say all women are, but that's aother story)
But yes, I agree that it's not impossible to change the roles.

>sexist
absolutely not sexist, it seems there's something horribly wrong with the father, actually. He should never allow such situation.

>>18415774
>it has become an evolutionary thing
what makes you say that?

>i'm almost certain both you and your boyfriend enable this
how so?

>>18415776
>let's just take this one problem at a time
kek.

but if this is the case, consider learning to be reciprocative with your touch first. The voice may not be important anymore once your body tells it all for you

>>18415747
It's not at all sexist to ask your husband to get a job. But if he's unemployed he should be able to handle the housework and the baby once it comes out.

>>18415788
>consider learning to be reciprocative with your touch first
what's some tips for doing this? and what does that mean exactly?

>>18415786
>what makes you say that?
I'm another anon, but it's pretty obvious: it's a signaling thing. Any animal, with any simple kind of mentality (if there is any mentality to speak of in the first place) must know how to impregnate. Otherwise there won't be any young coming. Thus sex is pleasurable, sounds are made when more pleasure is being achieved, and those sounds are carved, so they make the listening partner engage in sex even more. This can lead even the dumbest of the dumbest to the orgasm and thus children

>>18415786
>what makes you say that?
female noises during sex is associated with promiscuous mating. not monogamous. we know this because female primates of promiscuous species make more vocalized noise during sex than monogamous primate species. it's a mating strategy yet also a sex etiquette thing.

>how so?
example i'll try to describe this the best i can. you two are cuddling, whatever, one thing leads to the next and foreplay starts. you take off one another's clothes, then in all probability you lay back on the bed waiting for him to top you and take control. or as you lay back he is already going on top of you. this is both of you enabling you laying there. it's not necessarily a bad thing, it works for you two, but it has to be addressed.

>>18415811
yeah that's how a lot of our sex starts. he'll change positions and sometimes tell me to get on top, but that usually doesn't last long because idk what the fuck i'm doing there and just feel awkward and unattractive the whole time. how do we go about addressing this?

>>18415782
Yes I know just what you mean as far as biology goes. I breastfeed with our other child and their are other things to a man just isn't capable off. I think that's why I really want to not have to work so much too, I remember how much our other little one needed me when she was new born. I did everything for her and held her like 24/7. My husbands a good dad but he's not all cuddly like that. I don't think he understands how physically hard pregnancy can be. I don't want to sound like a typical winny female who can't do anything because I'm knocked up but I've been having health complications and it's to the point where I really do need some help

>>18415794
I still do the house work, he's awful woth laundry and dishes and stuff. He's in school and that takes up a lot of time but I am just getting really overwhelmed with doing everything else and money is tight right now. I really think that when the baby comes she will need me, not to say she won't need him too, but I'm going to be nursing and newborns need to be held all the time and I just can't see me being able to still put in 50+ hour weeks. I'd really like to be able to go part time so we can both have more time with the kids and new baby. I just don't want him to feel like pressured to go to school and provide for all of us. Just a little extra help would be amazing

>>18415795
a long story.
it's related to what I said here>>18415802.
you just need to give him pleasure, because sex is a teamwork. all people like to be touched by their SO's. it's making sex pleasurable for both parties (is a girl was just lying there, not doing anything to me I could even lose my erection. Even if not, I wouldn't really want to sleep with her again)

So just touch - put your hands on him. His back, arms, ass. Whatever, really. Play with the body, learn it, be interested.
Ask what feels good and do it more. Dig your fingers in his skin once he makes you feel really good, toss, turn, twist...

you know, just let your body act like enjoying the act.

>>18415811
>. we know this because female primates of promiscuous species make more vocalized noise during sex than monogamous primate species.
not proving anything. you can't compare this thing between species

>>18415782
>there is a lot of touching, teaching child to behave, feel safe, etc. I'm not certain if men are capable of doing it well

Men have the capability of doing it well, just not if they're in most first world countries. There are tribes where men and women handle the child equally as often, and you see the men interact with their child pretty much the exact same way the mother does. For example, our society's fathers typically roughhouse with their child and the mothers are more gentle, like making funny faces or something like that. In the Aka tribe, mothers and fathers both play with the infant the same way our society's mothers do. Roughhousing is only what cousins and people who don't have as intimate of a bond with the child do.

The highest my dick has been rated was 10/10, the lowest was 7/10.

Should I just do porn?

It feels like having a super power that you can't do anything with!!
What should I do with my dick??

>>18415843

Why can you not do anything with your dick?

>>18415843
dunno, choke yourself with it.

also, porn is fucking unpleasant to star in

>>18415843
Show everyone how amazing it is! people need to know about this wonderful gift you have!

>>18415844
What does it do anyway? Pee comes out of it man.
I've got a big dick and I'm not making money off it!

>>18415848
Pays well right? I could invest some it, put the rest in savings, and retire at 30 if I play my cards right.

>>18415854
you. you get it.

>>18415822
Ok, I see. Him going to school complicates things.These are some very important decisions that need to be made and I think you need to have a serious discussion with your husband about how both of you want to handle this.

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Had a good first date with a girl on Saturday, texted a bit on Sunday.

Is today a good day to text her again and try to set up another date? I kind of really don't want to fuck this up.

>>18415859
Yeah, why not?

>>18415822
>I still do the house work
>50+ hour weeks
>7 months pregnant
>Other kids
>He's unemployed, albeit in school
I think he could use a little pressure.

>>18415870
this

>>18415820
it's a matter of physical function. the more you know your body the more you are able to adjust yourself to the situation. you would be considered someone who lacks experience. really, this is fine. the main factor is the personality. the brain. how we operate our bodies during sex. then it's our bodies. the shape of our bodies, the shape of his cock, the shape of your vagina. i don't know what "kind" of body you have. but let's assume your bf is a burly fat guy with thick bones and a gut. that man's physical ability during sex is different than a man who is let's say skinny ripped. i don't mean shit like kamasutra or anything, i mean the style and way we fuck changes from person to person, from 1. their body type, and 2. their personality/mentality during sex.

if you bring it up just be straight up about it. otherwise practice isn't always a bad idea. i mean why not practice what you don't think you are good at?

>>18415858
Yes I think so too, I just feel really bad asking. We had agreed that I'd work while he went to school, it wasn't really planned for us to have another baby right now but my bc shot failed and yah :/ I mean were both happy for another child it's just not the best timing and I feel like I'm going back on my word to him by asking him to work. I know he already feels a lot of pressure to get a good job out of school I don't want to put more on him. Anyways thanks for your input and advice

>>18415827
http://www.care2.com/greenliving/the-psychology-of-sex-noises.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sex-dawn/201001/women-in-bed-whats-all-the-noise-about-part-ii
https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2011/08/12/womens-sex-noises-and-orgasm-screams-voluntary-or-not/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_copulatory_vocalizations#References

Men, have you ever been attracted to a fantasy/image of a woman but not actually attracted to her ... as a person?

I'm in love with the image of a man. The way he appears in my mind. There he's the perfect man to me.
But in real life, I feel cold about this man. I dunno why. I don't feel any chemistry only awkwardness.

Meanwhile it's the complete opposite with some men
>mfw

>>18415936
yeah, pretty normal

>>18415936
yes but not made up entirely. it would have been a picture or seeing a girl in real life. i see a lot of girls i find attractive but i've also slept with many different kinds of girls. what is appealing to the eye and what is appealing to the touch are two different things. example i like how a tight pear woman looks, but sleeping with one isn't the same satisfaction to me as a woman who is thin and has more visible muscle tone.

Girl I met in class want to smoke weed with me tomorrow.

Is this a sign she wants to fuck?
Also, would I initiate it?

I am new to this.

Probably a bad place to ask but how can I find an inexperienced girl to have a relationship with. I'm 21 but spend too much time isolated at work with other guys. I just want a decent looking girl who's also never really done much to hang out with, go for walks, play games, hold hands. I haven't really had much intimacy in my life and want something slow. I work almost entirely with men so I don't know how I'd possibly find anyone like this before next semester starts.

>>18415936
Yeah, that's like, 99% of all pornographic images

I wouldn't be attracted to any of them in real life

Is it worth it to try and start a relationship if in about 2 months I'm planning on moving about 2 hours away from where I live now?

>>18416112
If you feel strongly about her, do it. I've been in a LDR for 5 out of 6 years now. It sucks but it's also worth it because I'm not going to throw away a connection like that just because we can't live together right now.

Question, why are women attractive? Why is it that their titties just make my willy get hard? Why are they soft and why is that a good thing? Also, they're all lying about dicks right? Our shit looks creepy as fuck. Like a little tentacle

>>18416117
Thanks for the response.

Is 2 hours considered LDR?

Anyways I really like her and I'm pretty sure she feels the same. Obviously need to decide pretty soon here and I'm leaning towards asking.

>>18416126
Well boobs look like either large sacs of fat or huge tumors with a zit in the center, so idk why guys like them

>>18416135
I guess it could count. I mean I don't see why not. But you can make it work. One good thing about LDR is that it's like a trial by fire in regards to building communication skills

>>18416136
Also, the nipple is the main zit, or more like a boil, and then there's all those smaller bumps surrounding it on the areola. That's gross looking

>>18416136
They fucking rock though. Fuck love a girls big sweaty tits lol

>>18416126
it could have to do with being reminded of breastfeeding as a baby, or acknowledging that they are baby feeders. Also about dicks, there are a lot of women out there that think dicks are nasty looking but they like how they feel. My girl friends always talk about how gross dicks look but describe how their boyfriends junk feels nice. There are girls out there who like how dicks look though, I assume those women are very stimulated by visuals.

>>18415571
so a coworker whos much older (like my moms age) randomly added me on fb and started msging me, whats your thoughts on pic related?

Is it ever possible to have a relationship with a woman if you serve on a ship every 6 months?

I'm fit. I have lots of money. More than I can spend.
Is this something that can happen?

I just fear that if I put myself out there, all I'll end being is a seasonal cash cow.

I don't do well with trust. But I want to. I want to try.

>>18416160
What pic?

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>>18416160

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So I looked into some science, and it made a lot of sense. But the world doesn't seem to like it.
Why is it sexist to think that the average man understands logic better and the average woman understands emotions better?
Why is it sexist to think that the average man is physically stronger and the average woman is better at deception/manipulation/mind games?

In short, I feel like it makes a lot of sense that the two genders are opposites complementing each other, rather than being identical. Just implying you believe this is politically incorrect for some reason, and it has me a little peeved.

>>18416177
The issue isn't about men being generally better at X than Y
It's about assuming that men are ALWAYS better than women at things

If you look at the data, the bell curve for IQ has women being "on average" more intelligent than men. It's just that the curve for men goes higher and lower. More of a sweep.

It's sexist to assume that any woman you meet is shittier than you at something you think you're good at.
There are outliers and you could be a shitter

>>18416177
>average woman is better at deception/manipulation/mind games
How? Sociopaths and psychopaths are mostly male. I agree with the rest.

Also, this has nothing to do with advice. You ruin the thread man. I'll wait for the feminazi to come.

>>18416177
I'm not gonna throw in my opinion on this because I don't have the energy to do the whole argument business from either side. However, I will say that just because you looked into some science doesn't mean that's the end all be all. Just because something claims to be science doesn't mean it's actually good, valid science. Where did you read the science? What journal did they come from? Is it a peer-reviewed journal? Did you read the methods? Do they have clear control and experimental groups? Do the methods seem like a sound, logical way to test the validity of their hypothesis? You'd be surprised with how much shitty information people run with because it claims to be scientific. There's human error, personal biases, cherrypicking data, faulty methods, all kinds of stuff. Again, not arguing that the specific point you're making is true or false. Just something that bothers me every time I see someone firing off sources when they might not have checked to make sure their source is a good one

>>18416177
People are diverse. There's stupid girls and emotional guys. Putting people into boxes is stupid when we're all so much more complex than an umbrella label. There might be a majority norm based on social standards, but that doesn't invalidate the rest.

"Masculine" and "feminine" are complementary to each other, but people are diverse in their expression of those traits. Also understanding logic and getting in touch with your emotions can both be learned.

>>18416174
Your name is Chrissy?

>>18415642
I never did that. That's because I did it myself.

>>18416198
>people are diverse in their expression of those traits.

Something that always strikes me as interesting is how our ideas of masculine and feminine behavior have changed over time. In the 1800s, male affection was common; hand holding, sitting in each other's laps, putting your hand on a male friend's thigh. Now, that would be seen as very feminine behavior and basically guarantee that everyone who witnessed those behaviors would assume they were super homo lovers, but back then that was what normal manly men did with their friends.

Do men often engage in the act of resting their head on their girlfriend's rear and napping?
Is it strange or fetishistic that I would like to do this?

>>18416205
Indeed. Most homophobia is rooted in one's own insecurities, though. Many men have been conditioned to lose touch with their emotions, which really stunts transcendental growth. Not much reflecting going on, they were taught to look down on certain activities and they're gonna gosh darn do just that.

Guys, I accidentally deleted my boyfriend's game file and ruined his entire night, I feel like he's starting to resent me. Besides blowjobs, what can I do to make this right? I already said I won't touch his game system at all anymore, and he already went to bed.

>>18416226
It's not exactly common, but it's not a fetish either, just a way that you like to cuddle, nothing wrong with it anon

Question for women.

How much of height difference is a dealbreaker for you?

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What do you think about a man when you see him with a clearly unattractive girl (like pic related)?

>>18416205
It was considered gay back then too, they simply ignored it.
Also they almost always were gay, the one who did that sort of thing

How do I tell a random girl in public that she looks cute without trying to be seen as creepy or predatory? I just wanna say she looks pretty nice looking, nothing more.

>>18416252
What do I think about a man when he's with someone with Downs? I'd probably think he has great character and integrity.

>>18416177
I've met many women that were naturally built big, and many men that were naturally built small.
The only reason for these statistics are the social pressure to conform to these stereotypes. Women are expected to be able to understand emotions, and men are expected to be strong physically.
If allowed to learn and grow natural being supported with what comes natural you would find that it's very even across the board.

>>18416256
You can't
I have the same urges.

You just have to go home and feel alone

Do girls get hurt about playful roasts that are clearly jokes? I was talking to a relatively short girl about driving and asked if her feet could reach the gas pedal and she walked away

>>18416267
That was a bit misleading, because that woman in the picture actually has Downs. But you know how you can have something similar but really mild, where you still look like that but you're pretty much a normal person, maybe a little dumber than usual? Imagine he's banging that kind of girl.

>>18416281
Yeah, I don't like roasts. There's other ways to be funny besides making fun of me.

>>18416256
"Hey I like your shirt / shoes / dress / hairstyle."

Just be genuine and casual about it, and if she gets creeped out it's not like you want to be friends with someone with such a shit personality anyway.

>>18416281
They get hurt like men get hurt
Which is more than you expect

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I fell in love with this girl that rejected me.

I have been depressed for days and I have an aching feeling in my chest.

What do?

>>18416302
distract yourself, find a hobby, hang out with friends
the pain will lessen with time
it won't help to hear it now, but it will one day: there are plenty of fish in the sea

>>18416126
you didn't google this psychology and evolutionary shit back when you were 14? christ what is this generation coming to.

>>18416174
if you are frequently talkative with her there is probably less sexual tension. this doesn't necessarily mean she is into you any more because you talk to her, versus not talking to her as much. i'm that co worker guy who gets hit on by female co workers even though i keep my distance. she sees you as a peer to some degree. this goes along with sexual interest. she may not necessarily have a high sexual interest in you, but it is definitely acknowledged. she is after all a girl.

>>18416226
it feels good putting our face against things we like the feeling of. the head is in itself an exposed area. animals rub their faces into things, toddlers do, why not adults and nice asses?

>buy a motorbike
>female friend asks for rides half a dozen times
>take her every time because who the fuck says no to qt girls pressing against you
>start dating this girl
>3 months later
>>I wish you would sell the bike anon I get so worried every time you go out on it

Girls. Get your shit together you can't have your cake and eat it too.

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>>18416246
you sound like a girl who after you break up with this guy one of your complaintsto your girl friends would be that he got bitchy over a videogame file you accidentally deleted; when in reality he probably just let it go. he understands he needs to play the same shit over again and knows the terms right now. but he also understands he will learn from that process once again. just shut the fuck up about it. he knows it's just a videogame.

>>18416256
you wait til she is checking you out close by and then you look at her, wait a second or two then shoot the compliment. keep it short, keep it upbeat but not anxious, keep your pace, and don't make her turn around or stop. i get cat called a lot by women. i get how it works. yall are amateurs.

>>18416327
Bikes get their girldicks hard

Your girl wants you to stop because she knows she has competition

>>18416281
she took that one to heart. remember it's not like a guy walking away, she is more emotional. being small in stature can be very frustrating. just imagine being a kid again walking through a huge crowd of grown people. it's a different experience. you didn't send it at the right time. you should have gotten closer with her so she understands your intents before teasing her like that.

if you keep teasing her she will get real frustrated and serious, but won't express it as much as she will to other female co workers and possibly managers. remember she's a girl.

if you stop teasing her you can either stop talking to her or start talking to her more frequently, keeping things normal. but if you stop talking to her she will never forget that, and will always feel the same about that experience. remember she's a girl. the way feels about her experiences with interacting with you and the way she feels about her self esteem changes. now if you start talking to her more frequently, you can overcome this mild desperation to know how she really felt, or what she really meant by walking away silently. she walked away period. learn from this and don't be the nice guy. be the original you and over the months you will see her start to enjoy being around you.

one more tip, mind your business most of the time, don't be one of those male co workers that constantly desperately talks to female co workers. if they like you they will slide in for you, and that's a secure win. remember she's a girl. there are double standards.

>>18416329
He complained for like 3 hours straight... He apologized (I did too, over and over again), but he really made me feel like shit over this. I'm sure in a few weeks he might play again but he was genuinely upset and almost cried.

>>18416327
It's obvious why she worries. It's the Patrice O'Neal fisherman bit, basically. Very funny and very true shit. Keep the bike. Basically, she is feeling dread because she relates the bike to your ability to pick up girls (worked on her obviously), but if you get rid of it, she'll be less attracted to you because you lost that ability.

Here's the bit from Patrice:
>Dating is like sport fishing
>You go out there swinging your rod and you catch a fish
>You show it to your friends, then you throw it back in
>But then one day, a fish jumps back onto your boat after you throw it in
>You hear the fish say "Hey, so...you come here often?"
>You decide to keep the fish and stop fishing
>Eventually, the fish starts getting anxious
>You hear it saying "We've been together for a year now. You don't need other fish, so why do you even have a boat!?"
>You calmly but clearly explain it to the fish
>You say "See, I do need to have a boat. Because the boat smells like fish and you need to know that I still have the ability to catch fish and you need to smell a little bit of fish on me so you can ACT RIGHT."

>>18416246
He's probably more angry at the situation than you. Don't worry about it. Let him get over it. If he's decent he'll know it's petty. He may bitch once in a while, but after a while he won't care. It should be around the time he gets past the point in the game where he was at when you deleted the save.
The most you could or should do for him is try to give him time to catch back up on the game, maybe offer to make him a sandwich while he's benging on it.

>>18416327
it has to do with other people.

>>18416344
Thanks. I just don't know when he'll even pick up the game again.

>>18416344
or not highlight that shit any more and just make him lunch regularly for the rest of all time.

>>18416136
They are round, sexy, soft, fun, warm... How can you not like your boobs? They are the best thing ever.
>>18416147
No, it isn't.

>>18416358
On that note. DO do him favors as a way to say sorry. But contrary to popular belief, you should never apologize for your fuck up with sexual favors, as some girlfriends tend to do. It's a bad idea. It sets the precedent that sex is something he should be happy when you gift to him, something transactional, rather than something that you do together because you're attracted to each other. Sure, you could use it to manipulate him if you want, but trust me, you don't want a doormat bitch.

>>18416364
Thank you, solid advice.

>>18416336
It's not work related and it was at a pretty relaxed event but I understand, I felt comfortable though so I thought I could banter like that but I did just meet her so I see that I haven't really formed a friendship yet. Should I apologize through text?

Ladies,

Recently whenever my boyfriend does something that upsets me I have to resist the urge to do something petty and passive aggressive like giving him the cold shoulder. I quickly realize that this is a stupid and irrational thing to do and i instead choose to confront my feelings and address it with him like an adult. However the fact that I'm having these petty and somewhat crazy (in my opinion) thoughts, worries me a little. Is it normal to have these urges or am I losing my ability to be rational?

>>18416411
Not sure how crazy your thoughts are, but as a girl I can get irrational as well. As long as you check yourself and make the effort to not be that way, you should be okay.

A girl I've been dating for 6 months is going to her gynecologyst exam tommorow. She casually mentioned that she has been friends with the male gynecologyst for years and they used to frequent bars with their group of friends and work together at some point. I dont care that he is male, just their relationship. Is this normal for a girl? Am I over reacting?

Girls, I'm going to a gaming convention in less than two weeks.

Is there any way that I could speak to any girls that I meet there without sounding like a pathetic creep?

>>18416375
no. drop it so she doesn't know you have been thinking about it. the most attractive thing you can do is not care.

>>18416455
dude...

>>18416186
>Sociopaths and psychopaths are mostly male
Lol....

>>18416464
Its not creepy to talk to girls there, it depends on what you say though.

>>18416498
It's true mate
You can read all the female serial killers in America in about 15 minutes
And 90% just killed babies and old people

>>18416256
>How do I tell a random girl in public that she looks cute without trying to be seen as creepy or predatory?

"Hey, I love your dress/shoes/whatever"
*smile* *walk away*

Not that hard Brosky. I do it all the time, and I've never had any problems. Granted, I do it LEGITIMATELY just to pay the compliment with no intentions of actually talking to them ever again or of trying to spring board it into a convo.

>>18416506
im not a killer you dumbass ive never concieved you biased bastard

>>18416488
Great advice

>>18416464
Are you good looking?

Yes > not creepy
No > creepy

There you go. The solution is to be a 7/10 or better.

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To any women on here, which should i take a date to? A pizza shop in a. Food court in a mall or an ok looking stop and eat place in the middle of the mall? Like right in the middle of a hallway in the mall

The ok restaurants prices range from 4-17 dollars, with this hopefully being my first date is that fine?

>>18416547
>mall
Unless you're getting coffee from a decent cafe, a mall is not a place to take someone on a date.

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Are all women crazy or am I just dating a bipolar chick? Do you sometimes cry for no reason?

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>>18416553

Is this any good?

>>18416582
it actually looks decent

>>18416582
If you're 15, sure. Ngl, I'd be underwhelmed if an adult took me there on a date

>>18416591

How about if were 19?

>>18416597
I think 19 year old me would still be a little underwhelmed, 2bh.

>>18416574
Not really.
Sometimes I get more emotional the week before my period, but it is never "for no reason".

>>18416656
What is not "no reason" for you might not seem no reason to us

I had an ex that used to cry because I loved my childhood dog more than hers and I wouldn't say that I did.

>>18415625
Yes and no. Yes, I would accept it, because it's important to keep going no matter what. No, because I'd feel like shit for not taking care of the one I love

Men: do you expect big boobs to be perky?

>>18416706
Not at all

>>18416706
Yes. What's ever the point otherwise.

>>18416714
Dude. Unless they're fake, big tits aren't perky.

>>18416706
Bisexual grill here. The more women you sleep with, the more you realise the staggering variety of breasts. They're all great.
Anyone who criticises big breasts is inexperienced.

>>18416718
Nice excuse saggy.

>>18416718
This. Perkiness is for small tits, and both big and small tits are going to end up like fried eggs nailed to a wall eventually.

>>18416727
>They're all great.
This
Boobs are great.

>>18416574
>Are all women crazy or am I just dating a bipolar chick?
No, and I don't know but it sounds like it.
>Do you sometimes cry for no reason?
Define reason. Sometimes it's hormonal or emotional rather than an external stimulus. It's not a problem unless it gets in the way of normal functioning.

>>18416683
Most of the time, if I cry it's because of hormones. Anything can trigger a PMS cry.
Other than that, I just cry when people die.

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girls, do I need to tell my new gf that I have a huge crush on a porn actress for years...also I paid for her service last year. Would this be understandable

>>18416411
I think you sound like you're more self aware than most women vis a vis passive aggression impulses. Idk how old you are but I was like that with my first couple of boyfriends when I was still learning to be a team or whatever (cringe but it's true). Now I'm a bit older and with a really well matched bloke it's easier not to be a cunt.

Can you love again after having your heart broken many times?

I have had my heart broken twice. Years later I find that I cannot form the same bond with other people. I completely shut off and lose interest. Is this normal?

>>18416736
Do you want to be single? If yes, do it.
That you like a pornstar shouldn't be a problem
But you are on a whole other level and that's not ok

Wimmins
I'm epileptic would you date?
Last gf was before it happened and I've been in and out of hospitals now for many many years I have a difficult time relating hence posting here
ty if u read this

>>18416736
Paid for her service in what sense?

>>18416738
The trick is to use that knowledge to be more cautious and build up to love slowly. I know it's hard though.

>>18416740
Can't see why not. It just means you have seizures sometimes right?
Don't let it dent your self esteem man!

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>>18416739
>>18416741

Well during my travel I just happened to visit a city and she was near. So I contacted her and paid her to have sex with me, she's actually a very nice and energetic person. The sex was amazing.

It's a one time thing, way before me and gf met...and I'm never gonna cheat on her if that's what you are thinking.

>>18416746
I would definitely, definitely not tell her.
If my bf said that I'd be grossed out.

>>18416743
I try that. And I have met women that I would be completely compatible with in every sense... but I am always on the defense. I think my heartbreaks completely damaged me as a person. I never feel anything towards people anymore.

The first girl I proposed to and she left me. The second girl only wanted me for money and ghosted me when I lost my job. We were really close, and I loved her more than the first.

I shouldn't be feeling this numb still. I guess I'm going to die alone.

>>18416744
Yeah I get a shitload of partial ones as well as what the general publics idea is, the full shaking thing. Sans the photosensitivity. They are akin to mini high powered acid trips, I could go on and on in detail but that sums it up. On tons of meds and have had some bad side effects mental healthy wise. But hey cool to hear someone is pretty laize faire in their response much love.

>>18416746
Tell her. Always be honest.

>>18416751
One time I got so drunk I pissed myself so I pretended I was having a seizure. Is this appropriation of epileptic culture?

Is my girlfriend too needy?

I've been dating this girl for a few months now (me 28, her 20). Things have been great at the beginning, but after a while we began arguing, which led us to temporarily break up. After we got back together we talked everything trough and things have been great until last night when my GF got really mad at me.

Last night my GF came over and I was still busy with work (I work from home). After I finished, we chilled for a while, she played a game, we watched a movie and had sex. Afterwards she wanted to go to sleep and I asked her if it was ok if I went to play some video games for a bit. She told me to "do as I wish" which I knew spelled trouble, but I did so anyway. I went to play some competitive Overwatch and halfway through she started blowing up my phone with exclamation marks. I told her I'm in the middle of a match and that I will be done in 10 minutes. After I was done I got pissed off that she couldn't give me a break, went to bed and said good night. She could tell I was angry so she took the pillow and went to sleep in the living room Last time she did that and I chased after her we ended up having a huge fight, so I decided to leave her be. In the past, she used to give me silent treatment whenever I upset her, so I decided that I will not play her game.

When we spoke in the morning she was still mad at me. I managed to get some answers out of her and she said that I'm not paying enough attention to her (loosely speaking) and that I did play games before bed twice in a row when she needed me (both times she told me to "do as I wish" and I played for no longer than 40 minutes).

>>18416833
continued

I'm kind of pissed off right now, but I don't know if I have the right to be. I'm a very busy guy, I work from home and work very long hours, I go to gym and have my own business. I spend nearly all of my free time with her and have very little time for my own hobbies, or friends. Last weekend I went back home to spend some time with my friends and before I went she kept telling me how much she will miss me and while I was away she seemed angry in her messages to me.

Meanwhile, she has no job and is currently waiting her university to start. So all she does during the day is watch Netflix, read, use her phone or meet with friends. She does help me around the house, when she stays at my place, but other than that she has no responsibilities. I felt it was only fair that I set aside an hour of time for myself during each day, but I get a feeling that she believes that whenever we are together my attention should be 100% focused on her.

What the fuck do I do with her? I have no idea how to tell her I need some alone time. Whenever I talk about my needs she acts like I'm blaming her for taking up my time. Lately I've been feeling a bit overwhelmed with everything and began missing my single life. So I wanted to find a better balance and set aside some free time for myself. But it just seems to piss her off.

>>18415625
Not unless I had some long-term project to work on. Without something of substantial difficulty to conquer, I find my mental health deteriorates significantly.

>>18416706
I expect you to have vagina and not being afraid of using it properly on me. And not being fat.

Anything else is optional.

>>18416833
>I've been dating this girl for a few months now
>staying over
This is where you messed up

>>18416833
>>18416836
Okay several things going on here. First of all you both do not communicate well. Like when she t old you "do as you wish". That's passive aggressive and not constructive in the least, but you should've tried to break through that and tried to have a real conversation. As it is, you could tell she was unhappy with it, you did it anyway, you got more annoyed as she expressed the unhappiness she did not have the balls to express in a forward way to begin with, and so on.

It is hard for me to judge just from your post whether you give her "enough" attention - in the sense that it would be enough for most, obviously it's ultimately an individual thing. It sounds good, but if when you were chilling you were on your phone a lot while she was talking, watched a movie together in relative silence, and then had brief sex focused on getting off (perhaps her not getting off?) then it is legitimate to me that she feels you don't really see her even when you spend time together.
I am not trying to assume anything here, just pointing out that it is less about how much time you spend and more whether you get actual quality time. Given the other examples you mentioned she is VERY bad at being frank about what she wants/expects so it would not surprise me if she is unable to express that she feels you're never really there with her as opposed to spending too few minutes with her. This is something that, again, you have to talk about. Does she have concrete examples for when you don't spend enough time? What would her ideal look like and what would her idea of a realistic, acceptable compromise look like? Does she understand alone time, does she have a need for it herself etc? These things are never magically going to fall into place if you're coming from different sides and try nothing to make the other position more understandable.

is it common for a girl to dislike both fingering AND getting eaten out?

>>18416888
You haven't been dating for that long yet, does she feel you aren't as crazy about her as you should be in the honeymoon phase, is she insecure about whether you like her as much as she likes you? Another thing is that her being twenty and you being twenty eight, it is normal for you to have more going on in life and feel less consumed by a relationship. Chances are that if her ex(es) is or were closer to her age, she is used to having relationships where they are both mostly together.

Either way this is a lot to deal with for a relationship that's only a few months old. Not so much the different interpretation of what the proper investment in the relationship is, but more that you both seem kind of helpless in terms of actually talking about where you're coming from and de-escalating a budding fight. I would seriously reconsider whether you like this girl enough and she also gives you enough to make it worthwhile to not just stay in the relationship, but go the extra mile to get your mutual understanding on a higher plan.

>>18416892
No, not at all. If you have a specific girl in mind, she might be uncomfortable either with her pussy or with the "passive" part of being on the receiving end of sexual attention.

>>18416892
I am a girl and I hate it

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I'm a 22 year old male virgin.

I live in the US, and I've come to the conclusion that I just can't afford a girlfriend. It has nothing to do with my looks or personality, nor because my standards are too high (they're at rock bottom), it is entirely because I don't have enough money.

I'm a NEET living with my mom, have been for over 7 years. I have over $30,000 invested in stocks but I don't spend money on anything, my mom pays for everything, and I live basically like I have no money at all.

This isn't enough afford a girlfriend here, but I could go to Thailand and fuck attractive whores for only $30-$50. I can afford trips to Thailand, and I've considered this. This guy has great videos of what Thailand is like:

https://www.youtube.com/user/chardonnay112/videos

I don't want to do this, it's more like I'm being forced to do this. If I could I would marry a virgin here, have children with her, and never have sex with anyone else.

That's extremely unlikely in the US today though. All the girls here are completely ruined, the marriage/parenting laws are suicidal for men, and they're all technically whores too, because they would never date a guy without money. So more and more, I'm not even seeing a difference between girls here and the "real" whores in Thailand, except that the girls here are much more expensive and mentally ruined by western society.

I'm a Christian, I believe in God, and I can't wait for him to kill everybody again. I know he's not happy with how things are going, especially in the western world.

>>18416909
What's your question?

>>18416913
Should I go to Thailand and fuck whores now?

Or should I wait, so when I'm in my 30s I can be a financial provider for some used up whore here in the US, who would have never fucked me right now in my early 20s because I don't have enough money?

>>18416920
If you think women in the US are all so terrible, why don't you emigrate? As a native English speaker, you have your pick even if you limit yourself to countries where English is the primary spoken language.

Furthermore you can go fuck whores in Thailand AND do whatever else you want to do with your life. Going to a prostitute is not a life course. Make sure to wear condoms and be okay with the woman you are fucking likely having been sold as a kid or whatever. Not to say if you were morally okay you would feel guilty about that, if you don't fuck her that won't save anyone, just don't tell yourself illusions about how most of these women got to doing the work they do.

It also puzzles me a bit how you loathe the idea of being used for money but have no issues living off your mother who, if she did a good job, already provided you with a lot in life. Especially when you are twenty two and can easily afford to either move out or at least contribute to her as an adult son.

Anyway, this is a false dilemma and I would in general do a lot of introspection about what you really want out of life and how to best achieve it. Fucking hookers is like doing drugs, if all goes well it's fun and a nice memory but at the end of the day it's pleasure, hedonism, that's all. Not something to dedicate your life to in any way.

>>18416920
Not all girls are used up whores. Some have just a few partners. Why is that not okay with you?

You can also buy a virgin bride from another country. But it is very expensive. Some are sold for $4-6k.

okay, so my gf (23) has been a fucking psycho lately and I (25) am not sure how to deal with the situation

we had an argument Monday while both of us were sharing our stories about the vacations that each of us took separately the week before: I was in southern Italy with my friends and she was clubbing in Berlin, also with her friends. for the whole duration of our trips, she was constantly checking up on me, got mad when I didn't message her during the day (there were no WiFi connections anywhere else than in our apartment, and I wasn't going to walk into a McDonald's just to chat with her when I can do that in the evening and the morning), starting huge, hour-long fights on FB because instead of sleeping in after a day of sightseeing I went drinking with my friends, got mad at me because when she asked if I enjoyed myself I answered 'yes', and called me disgusting names for not emphasizing with her pain - which she dulled out by smoking weed, drinking alcohol, and partying during her whole time in Berlin.

the argument on Monday evening sparked from the fact that one of my high school female classmates liked the pictures I put on FB (as she always does), and that I also follow her on Instagram despite her not having any pictures up there. she started accusing me of past affection, demanding that I unfollow her on Instagram. I called her accusations absurd, telling her that he's the girlfriend of one of my best high school friends, I've never had anything to do with her except for talking about music and partying together a few times, and the reason I follow her is because she was one of the first people who started following me in Instagram and the polite way is to follow her back, even though she's not posting anything. she kept getting more and more hysterical, demanding that I block her on FB too, to which I said I will not have her dictate to me what I do when it's again just another one of her crazy, miserable, envious thoughts getting a hold of her

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>>18416940
I told her that because I know that she would just continue this nonsensical argument for hours, and because I have an important business presentation in the morning for which I have to be well-slept and sharp, I'm not going to go to her place, and I'm going to spend the night home, at my mother's house. I jumped up my bike and started speeding towards home, and immediately, she started calling me, then sending me FB messages, and then text messages, telling me that she's coming, too. I tried with all my might to dissuade her, begging her for her own sake not to do that, because it would just make the situation worse for both of us, and that if she really do loves me, she will understand that this argument is not worth fighting anymore, and it's best if she lets me have a good night's rest and she calms herself down and clears her head alone. after this, she told me it was stupid of her to bring this argument up, but she won't let me sleep at home, because she really wants to spend the night together. I told her it's too late for apologizing now, and that she should turn around and head home if she wants anything to do with me and doesn't want me to break up with her. she didn't budge, instead when I arrived at our house there she was standing in front of it, looking at me teary eyed, sobbing uncontrollably, pushing me and trying to keep me from entering my house. I moved her out of the way and right in that moment my mother opened the door, looking at us, my gf collapsed, and started lamenting loudly that I leave my bike and we go to her place in a taxi. my mom was horrified by the situation and tried to talk some sense into my gf, but she started repeating the same mantra. I didn't see a right way out of this, so I told her to get a cab and I will ride my bike to her place, but there's no way in hell that I will share a taxi with her. when I arrived to her place, she was still sobbing, but eventually I managed to calm her down.

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>>18416920

>can't afford a gf
>can afford to travel to Thailand and pay for whores

Yeah, mate, something tells me that something has warped your view of how expensive having an SO is. There's plenty of sensible, independent chicks who have no problem with paying for themselves and even if you do pay for dinners and such a sensible chick won't expect you to take her to a five star restaurant. You've based you expectation of life on other people's (outrageous) tales without obviously having ever actually tried for yourself.

>>18416888
>>18416893

Thank you anon.

Yeah, communication really sucks in our relationship. I've been trying to get her to talk more to me about what she wants and expects me to do, but she has this idea that I should figure it out on my own. This frustrates me and whenever I try to get some clear answers out of her, we end up fighting and I end up apologizing. So nowadays whenever she starts being moody and gives me the silent treatment, I pull back as well. When she's angry, there's no way to talk to her. This behavior and a sudden episode of my depression were the reasons why I briefly broke it off.

As for the gaming last night. I have explained to her that since I work as a game developer, I would like to set aside an hour every day to play some video games. Since we started dating, I have pretty much stopped playing or indulging in my other hobbies. So me playing before bed, was an attempt to find a bit of balance. That said, I told her that if she told me she wanted me to lay in bed with her, I would have done so. I'm open to compromises, but for that to work, I need to know what she wants, rather than try to decipher her passive aggressive remarks.

I do get as sense thatshe is insecure and that she does care about me much more than I do about her. Initially, I fell really hard for her (I'm a permavirgin, so this is my first serious relationship) and we started saying "I love you" to each other quite early on. But as time went on and reality set in I've started to become somewhat skeptical. Not to mention, her intensity and need for affection began making me feel suffocated. Whereas her age didn't seem to be a problem, as things went on I've began to realize that she is nowhere near as mature as I had thought. I still do deeply care about her, but there are aspects of my life that I have neglected and I've become doubt whether things can work out the way they currently are.

>>18416943
now we didn't speak for a day now, and I'm not sure if we should continue this relationship as this was the third time a similar situation had happened and I see her destroy herself more and more each time, while I still didn't find a proper way of speaking some sense into her

>>18416940
I will admit right away that you only got to your second post so far.

You cannot single-handedly make an unstable, immature person with a destructive attitude into an exemplary partner. She is pathologically insecure and regardless of what you feel she brings to the table or how much you love her, realize that staying with her and making excuses for her behavior sets a precedent for you to get trapped in toxic relationships.

It is NOT normal for a partner to call you "disgusting names". It is NOT normal for a partner to get angry at you daring to have fun when they are not around. It is NOT normal for a partner to push you and physically keep you from doing anything at all.

Cut your losses and break up with her. Sorry anon.

Military folk,
I need to know whether or not taking a class for the military (Specifically for Air Force or the Navy) is vital, or it's merely an okay addition to me as I enter bootcamp and shit.

You see, I'm trying to fix my worthless life and redeem myself for the awful choices I've made. I don't ever want to be in my crappy job for long, so I'm investing it all into making myself much stronger for bootcamp AND taking a class for the military.

I've been training myself physically for a while now, and I'm almost at the point of worthiness.

>>18416929
> just don't tell yourself illusions about how most of these women got to doing the work they do.

The vast majority of them voluntarily chose that line of work. Or they weren't anymore "forced" than someone is "forced" to work at McDonalds.

>Especially when you are twenty two and can easily afford to either move out or at least contribute to her as an adult son.
My monthly income is sometimes literally less than $0. I don't have enough money to move out or pay for shit. $30,000 is nothing, it would be gone within a year. I would rather be homeless and just leave that money in stocks then pay for normal living expenses in the US.

>>18416929
>Not all girls are used up whores.
Over 99% of them are.

>Some have just a few partners. Why is that not okay with you?
The more partners they have, the more likely they are to cheat, divorce, break up, have STDs, and have a short dysfunctional relationship.

Also it pisses me off because they've been getting fucked by other guys since they were teenagers, yet I've never got to have sex, but if I get money THEN these girls want to fuck me.

>>18416945
Do you understand what a NEET is? Did you actually read my post and understand my financial status?

I have enough money to pay for a whore, but well over 99% of women think my financial status is unacceptable for a long-term relationship.

>>18416946

I don't know if I'm affectionate enough. Last night when she was playing the game, I simply let hear lean on me and I was on my phone. This is however really rare for me, as she tends to use her phone way more than I do. However, during sex I wanted to make sure that she gets off first as I wanted to pay her back for a blow job earlier. She seemed quite satisfied which is why I felt it was ok for me to spend an hour on my own.

I do really care about her, but at times I find her affection to be too much to handle. When we watch movies, she rarely pays attention and instead start keeps on hugging me, kissing me all over my face and being incredibly touchy in general. I find that behavior extremely suffocating but I never brought it up as I know she does this with good intentions. As for me, I find that doing things together, such as watching movies, playing together, talking, cooking or shopping brings we more closeness than sex or physical affection. In fact, I'm often not entirely comfortable with being physical and I tend to do it to please her.

>>18416833
>>18416836
Maybe you should find a different time to do your own thing? For example maybe play your video games before inviting her over, so while she is visiting you are paying attention to her? Or maybe spoon/cuddle/whatever with her until she's asleep and then play your video games?

I routinely go a full week, sometimes two when I'm busy, without even texting my boyfriend but I'd still be annoyed if he decided to play video games immediately after sex instead of cuddling with me. So I don't think that much is a result of being overly needy.

>>18416959
>well over 99% of women

All I hear is you pulling numbers and facts out of you ass, while you seek validation. If you want to go to Thailand and fuck whores, then do it. But don't bullshit that it's your only option due to "circumstances" and women being "this and that".

>>18416959
I don't consider a woman a whore until she has more than 3 partners. The girls under that are well capable of having good relationships. Seems like r9k and pol have invested your mind. Go buy your virgin bride.

>>18416959
>all women are whores
>wants meaningless sex
are you implying you are not a manwhore? virginity is based on mindset and as of now i see you are just as bad as the whores...you want sex only and do not think twice about who you sleep with

>>18416946
She absolutely is insecure. This right here
>I told her that if she told me she wanted me to lay in bed with her, I would have done so.
does not fly with someone quite insecure because she doesn't just want to be in bed with you. She wants you to want to be in bed with her. She feels vulnerable and like she has to put on a tough act when she experiences this desire to share intimacy with you and you don't seem to reciprocate. Then it's "ruined" for her because she doesn't want you to just do it for her, she wants to feel on the same wavelength and like you also want to romantically fall asleep spooning.
This in itself is understandable to me, given she is young - perhaps also not that experienced herself, if she doesn't realize you can't be expected to just know what she wants? - you have been dating for a short time and there was already a break. But that doesn't mean you should necessarily put up with it.

Especially because communication is the key to tackling any misunderstanding or incompatibility at all. It sounds like she does not quite grasp yet that people remain different individuals despite relationships and love among people sharing big similarities. That people have different ways of expressing love and so on.
Combined with your doubts and the fact that right now she is causing you to lose touch with things important to you, I would personally give it one last shot and tell her that if she wants it to work, she needs to be open to teaching you how to love HER specifically. You cannot one-sidedly fix communication being terrible on her end, she needs to be on board with that and you should at least agree on the importance of it. She obviously has a lot to learn and there's nothing wrong with not feeling desire to stick around waiting for her to catch up and be able to have an adult relationship. Even for her age honestly I think there are plenty of peers who understand more than she does.

It's a shitty situation anon, good luck.

>>18416963
>>18416963

Thanks, that's a fair point. I can see what she might have felt I was paying attention to her.

That said

>I routinely go a full week, sometimes two when I'm busy, without even texting my boyfriend

This bit got me interested. I'm extremely busy with my work and yet we meet nearly every day and we constantly text with each other.

I've began feeling like this relationship has taken over my life, rather than be an addition to it. And quite frankly, that scares the shit out of me, because it's a recipe for disaster and I don't want to hurt her.
We've been spending so much time together, that I've began longing for my single days when I could do what I wanted to do, without feeling like I'm going to upset her if I don't perform as a boyfriend.

>>18416959
>The vast majority of them voluntarily chose that line of work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Thailand

>In its latest (2016) report, Thailand has been rated by the US State Department as a "Tier 2 Watchlist" nation for human trafficking, one step above the Tier 3 rating for countries with the worst human-trafficking records.

Being sold as cattle is literally quite different from working at McDonald's out of desperation, quit deluding yourself because it suits you. You can do better than that.

>$30,000 is nothing
To live off, it's not. If you get a job and regard it as savings, it is. You could pay modest rent to your mother. Again, excuses. Not a great look.

>>18416973
It's literally true, if I want to have sex, I have no other option than paying for a "real" whore.

>>18416974
>I don't consider a woman a whore until she has more than 3 partners.
>are you implying you are not a manwhore?

You mean slut? When I say all women are whores, I mean LITERAL prostitutes.

As in, even if they're a virgin, they're still whores, because they won't have sex with a guy unless he has decent income, or will be making decent income in the future, therefor they're literally whores.

I'm obviously not a whore, do I sound like I would turn down a girl who wants to have sex because she isn't paying ME money?

>>wants meaningless sex
I don't want meaningless sex, I just can't afford a wife/children/family.

>>18416961
Just seeing the second part now. What you mentioned about the game is nothing to me. She chose to do something that took away from interaction between the two of you, not weird for you to also do your own thing, then.

However
>She seemed quite satisfied which is why I felt it was ok for me to spend an hour on my own.
this isn't really how it works. Just like a man is bombarded with messages that only if a woman fucks you she really likes you/holds you in high esteem, the female trope is that if the man loves you, he wants you just as much after sex than before. So in that regard you not wanting to snuggle before bed despite having sex could feed into her already existing insecurity about just how much you like her.

Second part only confirms that you are plain incompatible in significant areas.

>>18416994
you are willing to have sex with someone you dont know. i think you are a manwhore.

why does this make you upset? its evolution... women need to pick the best partners to support their children or else the children will suffer

its best for the child. right now if you get one knocked up you are useless... its just like you are naturally attracted to young women because they are fertile...its all biology. calm down and accept this.

have fun with your whores.

>>18416985
Perhaps you need to find someone more compatible then?

I know I couldn't handle having to hang out with anyone (friends, family or boyfriend) every single day. It doesn't mean I don't love the people in my life, I just also love myself lmao.

Think about if this relationship is really worth it, there are ways to compromise if it is (like I said before; having your alone time before she arrives/after she's asleep). But if it isn't you're doing yourself a disservice.

>>18416981

Thank you anon. In a way, I've been giving her a pass lately. Her mother was diagnosed with lumps in her breasts, so she's been quite stressed lately. That said, I'm dealing with depression and have been recently put on medication, so I've taken an approach that I need to take care of my needs first and that it is no longer my responsibility to feel guilty for her bad moods. I try to be there for her whenever I can, but if I feel like I neglect my hobbies, friends and work, then it will reflect negatively on our relationship.

>>18416994
If you think that every dude you see walking around with a girl must be loaded, there's nothing that can be done about that, but it's an extremely simplistic world view.

>I don't want meaningless sex
Obviously you do, just because it's not your holy grail doesn't mean wanting to seek it out does not count anymore.

>>18417005
>you are willing to have sex with someone you dont know. i think you are a manwhore.
I'm not a whore because I don't require financial payment (whether direct or indirect) for sex.

Even if I was promiscuously having sex with women, I wouldn't be a "slut", because for men it is an achievement or accomplishment. It is proof that they have some combination of good genetics, intelligence, and money.

Women are "sluts" when they promiscuously have sex, because it's so incredibly easy for them to get sex. No matter how ugly/poor/fat/stupid a female is, she will not only be able to easily get sex, she will still have tons of guys that will PAY her for sex.

>>18417017
You're a worthless person and should take care of that first
Then you'll be able to meet a good girl where you live now

>>18417000

Thank you. I can see now how that made her feel.

As for the second part, I discussed wanting to spend more time doing activities with her when we got back together. She seemed open to the idea, but whenever I try to share a movie with her and show her things I enjoy, she seems to ignore it and either goes on her phone, or starts being very touchy.

>>18417006

Perhaps you're right. I do care about her, but I can already feel that we aren't entirely compatible. I do wonder if breaking up with her would be the right thing, but she is going through some bad times right now, with her mother going through treatment. I'm willing to give it a shot, but I get a sense that things are going back to how they've been. I already feel guilty about her being way more into me, than I am into her and I wouldn't want to lead her on and hurt her.

>>18417011
>If you think that every dude you see walking around with a girl must be loaded,

That's not what I said or think you dumb fucking cunt.

The guy has to be making at least minimum wage, or has to be on the path to making money, i.e. in college.

>>18417017
actually paying for sex is not an achievement.... you did nothing but pay her. so no accomplishment is in paying $30 its actually pathetic and slutty

you are manwhore because your mindset around sex... you see it as nothing...thats exactly what whores think

i find it amazing how you think you are entitled to a wife and children when you not only see women as objects but you cannot provide for one and you respond as manchild because of this

they need a man to support children, its the only way we survive. if all poor men were breeding, we can obviously see that they do not succeed in life

you have a lot of inner work to do

>>18416994
> they're still whores, because they won't have sex with a guy unless he has decent income, or will be making decent income in the future, therefor they're literally whores.
Why would I want to commit myself to a man who will always be a burden financially, to someone who isn't going to be able to provide for my children and who will always need my help to look after himself?

I wouldn't want to be a housewife and I don't want a househusband.
I'd be fine with it as a temporary solution (we have small children and he takes care of them) but not as permanent. A lot of men wouldn't marry a woman who doesn't want to work ever either.

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>>18417024
>having sex with a whore makes you a whore
Wew lad.
>>18417020
Sounds like someones upset at the truth.

>>18417022
By your own description you fall into this category. I am not from the US but at least where I live (also a rich western country) $30,000k ranks close to annual minimum wage income. For a family. Let alone for a single guy with relatively few expenses.

>>18417024
>i find it amazing how you think you are entitled to a wife and children

Hmmmmm, I recall saying I CAN'T AFFORD THEM.

I accept the reality that all women are whores, and they don't want me because I have no money to offer.

I would accept this a lot easier if women and society were self-aware of the fact that basically every heterosexual relationship is actually a form of prostitution, and that "girlfirend" or "wife" is actually a just an expensive form of a prostitute.

>>18417038
Many of your peers don't have a college debt around comparable to your savings. They are dating and sleeping with girls. Find another excuse for why women don't want you, if you can't face it's your attitude and personality.

>>18417029
Your delusions aren't the truth

>>18417044
>don't have a college debt
*don't have significant savings and do have a college debt

>>18417031
Women are so stupid they don't understand how money works.

I don't make $30,000 a year, I simply have a lump sum of $30,000 in the form of stock.

I could quite possibly make less than $0 a year.

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>>18417038
Prostitution is getting money for having sex.
You want to be a prostitute yourself. You want someone to pay for you and provide for you in exchange of sex and affection. You want a woman to take the role of your mother as your financial provider.
Many women would be fine with dating a man who can provide for himself (and eventually his children) even if they don't gain any financial benefit from dating them.

I texted my friend saying that I like him and want to go out with him.
He responded with "I appreciate it"
What does it mean?

>>18417050
I read that, but just because it isn't liquid doesn't mean it isn't there. If "heading towards money" is supposedly good enough for a woman, why would stock not be?

Also honestly ask yourself why any woman would want to date someone who thinks she must be inherently retarded. Would you date a feminazi who thinks men are all beasts? Probably not.

>>18417054
He thought it was a joke and didn't see it as a serious proposition.

>>18417054
ho doesnt want to go out

>Live in small town
>Got fit from being fatfuck but missed early social opportunities
>Had to make up for them, think I do ok
>22, studying
>Do fencing once a week
>Have job and transport
>Every girl I get along with while studying is a lot older/married/with kids
>Girls at fencing are really mean hamplanets for some reason
>Girls in friend groups don't have more friends to introduce me to

Has anybody got any advice on meeting girls? I don't really understand what else to do. I've got hobbies, including fencing, where I can meet people. I study and meet people there. I have female friends. I just don't seem to ever meet anyone I click with.

I've yet to met a girl who slept around a lot, who also didn't really regret it, afterwards.

Who do you do it, girls? If you're just gonna feel bad for yourself and cry about it afterwards.

>>18417061
>If "heading towards money" is supposedly good enough for a woman, why would stock not be?

Maybe I'll find a woman as dumb as you who also doesn't understand how stocks work at all. Thanks for giving me hope.

>Would you date a feminazi who thinks men are all beasts?

Yes. They don't want me though, even if I agreed with all of their political views and hypothetically my personality was ideal to them.

Why? Because I don't have enough money for them.

>>18417073
I met plenty of girls who did it and didn't regret it.

>>18417073
So you want girls to cry "I took 20 dicks and I'm proud!"

I think the problem is that you have an issue with women either way.

>>18417073

Well, I've slept around a lot and I don't regret it. It was fun while it lasted, some of it was great sex and all of them good guys. What's there to regret? Good times. I suppose girls who do regret it just did it for the wrong reasons, with wrong guys or something.

>>18417073
First of all, the reason many girls regret it is because of the contrast between how the guy approaches them and how it goes down. When the guy is trying to bed them he's acting like it's going to be a lot of fun for the two of them, he's joking, connecting with her etc. Then once she gets in bed with him he gets all business, glosses over foreplay, jackhammers her and says good night. Then sneaks out in the morning or kicks her out. And/or she later hears he talked shit about her (abilities, body, how "easy" she was).
Obviously this isn't bound to happen, but an element of disappointment in reality vs proposed hypothetical is very common. Hell, I have a friend who slept with a guy who stole her camera while she was asleep.

Apart from how guys try to make sex with them seem quite promising, we also live in a culture that makes casual sex seem normal, healthy and loads of fun. The reality is just more of a mixed bag, not even just for women.

Having said that it also depends on the woman. I do have friends who slept around and don't regret it. Even the friend whose camera got stolen. She said that sex is like any other part of life, good and bad stuff happens. She still wants to experience it.
Girls might also feel more pressure to play up regret for a guy to convince them that they aren't inherently drawn to fleeting encounters.

Also the far majority of female friends I have had in life don't do casual sex. It depends on the crowd as well what is regarded as normal.

>>18417076
I will readily admit that I don't know more about stock than the most basic principles. I do know that the idea isn't that you cannot at a certain point get your money back plus the profit.

If you think you can insult me with that, you're wrong though. I work a shit job and have financially supported my parents whenever necessary because I now have the options to help them out if push comes to shove and I am proud of that, of having grown into someone they can rely upon. I think there is less shame in being thick when it comes to investing money than in not taking personal responsibility in life. If this is really the kind of person you want to be and the way you want to live your life, be my guest.

>>18417052
>. You want someone to pay for you and provide for you in exchange of sex and affection. You want a woman to take the role of your mother as your financial provider.

Wrong, I don't care if my hypothetical gf/wife makes $0. Do I sound like I would turn down a girl because she doesn't make money?

I know, females can't comprehend thinking like that, because all women are prostitutes. "Girlfriend" or "wife" are just other names for prostitute.

>>18417110
>Wrong, I don't care if my hypothetical gf/wife makes $0. Do I sound like I would turn down a girl because she doesn't make money?
And how would you live, if you both make 0$, sweetie pie? With what money?

>>18417077
Didn't admit to regret it.

Think about all the men who have seen her pussy. Everyone can relate. Her market value decreases, too.

>>18417110
There are women who make more than their husbands you know. There are deadbeat stay at home boyfriends.

Looking for a short/medium term thing I couldn't care less about money, but in a long term relationship we need a plan of how we'll be able to afford to live. That plan may well involve me (female) being the primary or sole breadwinner.

You need to bring SOMETHING to the table if you want a relationship, but it doesn't have to be cash. Are you good emotional support? Good with children? Good at keeping a home nice/ garndenig/ diy?

Why do women shit on other women for sleeping around? I swear, it's a none issue for us guys, that you want to fuck us.

>>18417124
You realize as a woman looking back on men who saw and admired/took care of your pussy isn't exactly inherently negative? Women like sex, too.

>market value
All other elements being the same, yes. But in real life, men won't universally pick a homely, boring virgin over a cute and lively girl who has had a few partners. This is a crude and simplistic example but you get the idea. There is a whole lot that matters for your appeal as a romantic partner. This is even still disregarding that unless you are the town bicycle in a small place, there is no real need to know. Many couples never flat out ask how many sexual partners their SO had.

>>18417131
Yeah, we just don't want to be in a relationship with you.

Cuz whore.

>>18417131
>Why do women shit on other women for sleeping around?
We don't. Men shit on us for sleeping around.

>>18417131
It's not a non issue and that is exactly why women do it. Sure there are other factors at play, like jealousy at a friend being more popular/pretty, or it being an easy blow. But if tomorrow men universally stopped caring about whether a girl had fucked five or fifty men, it would lose its sting. Just like with dick size, men make fun of it among each other but the underlying insult is: you won't please a woman, or are not attractive to women. In both cases this is a bit too black and white but it contains a core of truth.

It surprises me that with all this internet out there there's still men who doubt this is a thing. It absolutely is a thing for men.

>>18417115
I'd continue living like I am now, with my mom. I'd also be ok living in a car with my savings. If my mom dies I get inheritance and a life-insurance payout, which will be enough to guarantee me livable income from stock trading.

I'm set for life, living frugally of course, I live like I have $0 right now, and no woman is ok with that.

>sweetie
lol at women using this in a condescending tone, "hunnie" too.

>>18417127
>There are women who make more than their husbands you know
They make MORE? So the husband still makes money right? These women act like they're saints for this too, like they deserve a medal, like they are holy and righteous, simply because they're ok with their husband making less than them.

That's proof of how much women are whores.

>There are deadbeat stay at home boyfriends.
100% sure that they met while still in school, while the boyfriend had a job, or the boyfriend is inbetween jobs, and she will leave him if he doesn't get a job soon.

>You need to bring SOMETHING to the table if you want a relationship, but it doesn't have to be cash. Are you good emotional support? Good with children? Good at keeping a home nice/ garndenig/ diy?
Yeah I'm good with all that. So where all these career women who want househusbands?

Oh yeah, they practically don't exist. They all want men who are """equal"" to them. Unlike men who are financially successful, who want housewives.

>>18417139
>Many couples never flat out ask how many sexual partners their SO had.
You're a cuck of the highest order if you don't ask. If she lies about it, then you know who she is as a person.

>>18417110
>I know, females can't comprehend thinking like that, because all women are prostitutes. "Girlfriend" or "wife" are just other names for prostitute.
I hope that's bait
Just go gay or dead if you hate women that much

>>18417147
Also wanted to add that I do agree to an extent with >>18417146. Women shitting on other women for being too promiscuous happens but is not as rampant as some seem to think it is. I have personally -never- been in a friendship with a woman where it was deemed remotely okay to talk shit about someone's sex life solely based on standards like that.

Things about which men are insecure:
>penis size
>height
>wealth
I.e. Stuff which doesn't matter to grills who may consider sleeping with them.

Whereas women:
>weight
>number of sexual partners
>intellect
Ie things which DO matter to men.

Why are men so detached from reality?

>>18415664
I don't mind some pit/chooch hair, but it's gotta be trimmed. You can't be having a Forrest under your pits and expect people to think you look feminine. As for arm and leg hair I don't mind it just depends on how thick again. I love me some Hispanic girls so I got used to that.

Basically: body hair is not the problem just the amount of it.

>>18417152
But how would you know whether or not she lies?

Some people just feel it's opening a can of worms. What if you as the man slept with fifty women? She's going to return the question. Are you going to lie or bare that potential dealbreaker?
This is an issue where many people feel ignorance is bliss.

>>18415625
You should kys if the answer to this question is yes.

>>18417157
>Why are men so detached from reality?
We're not so much detached from reality than unable to correctly understand women

>>18417157
Women should have "everything" listed under insecurities.

>>18417160
Who the fuck gives a shit if I slept with 50 women? It's admiring if 50% are 7/10+

>>18417160
>What if you as the man slept with fifty women?
Yeah, what?

How do I meet girls?
I go to college online and my only hobbies are being a film buff, motorcycles and guns.
Also I just moved to a new state so I have no friends to set me up with anyone.

>>18417171
No, your average girl looking for a serious relationship isn't going to be impressed with knowing there's going to be nothing about her you haven't seen yet.

This is not even touching upon how much a man has to invest in casual sex to rack up a count like that. How much practice it takes to get that good at picking up women. That is sleazy and trashy to someone feeling no pull to that life. It shows that you have entirely different outlooks on sex.

Women like men who are experienced enough to know what they're doing in bed. And they like men that other women like for the same reasons that other women like them (looks, charm, being interesting, successful, you name it). They do not like the idea of you scraping the inside of countless vaginas anymore than vice versa. At some point it tips over into gross.

>>18417160
>What if you as the man slept with fifty women?

That means he's really good looking, wealthy, and intelligent.

Honestly he doesn't have to care what his gf thinks about that, he's obviously a high-status male.

If a woman sleeps with fifty guys that just means she's used-up trash. The Chad who slept with 50 women isn't going to be trying to start a long-term relationship with a slut anyway.

>>18417174
This is just my anecdotal evidence but here are some places I've gone alone and met people romantically:
>joining a political party
>at the racetrack
>reading group
>writing group
>volunteering at a charity

I slept with three of my boyfriends am I used up now?

>>18417185
How many years combined?

>>18417179
So much this.

>>18417173
>>18417179
This is like a charicature of the real situation. Yes women on average are less put off by a sexually active man than the other way around. Yes if you manage to sleep with a lot of women you at least have -some- qualities universally attractive to women, and that can't be said the other way around.

Still women can also like the idea of being able to surprise you in bed, and not just ranking as another number. They can also feel put off by knowing how many potentially diseased girls you fucked and whether they can trust that you used protection all the time (even if you are clean the idea is icky). Not to mention at a certain amount of partners it becomes a lifestyle and an obvious investment in meaningless banging.
If a woman wants a serious relationship she wants to feel intimacy. That is harder when you know he's been there, done that in regards to all things sexual. If he's fucked fifty women, there's an almost 100% chance that he's seen better bodies and has had better partners than you. Not to mention the nagging thought whether he can ever be happy with long term monogamy.

It is more complicated in reality.

>>18417179
>>18417191

>be me, female
>slept with almost 100 guys
>never tell new partners, pretend it's three
>spread herpes around the city like a fucking pandemic

What you gonna do about it, cunts?

>>18417188
6 years combined
>>18417196
Completely agree with this. Slutty men are gross and make me feel insecure. No doubt he has seen prettier and sexier women.

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>>18417200

Girls, don't sleep around with guys you don't care about. They are using you. Short selling you.

>>18417200
I'm actually really happy about it.

I'm a virgin so I don't care, STDs were created by God to punish the normies for having sex. You can get HPV even with a condom too, and it causes cancer of the pussy.

Spread some more of it.

>>18417208
But anon, I'm using them right back.

All the bitter virgins in this thread need to watch some sex and the city. I'm a straight up Samantha and proud.

>>18417202
I'm not a slutty man but I'm curious about insecurities
>No doubt he has seen prettier and sexier women.
Shouldn't you then be happy that he is with you now? It could means that you're better than those women

>>18417184
I mean, if I joined something like the libertarian or republican party it'd be a sausage party and I don't entirely agree with any political party.
Race track might be a decent way to meet girls but I have an ex500, not really a racing bike, then again I think they have some track days where it's open to anything.
Reading groups might be ok, but I generally read very specific things like right wing authors.

But even if I did do all of these (besides reading groups), there's not many women in these hobbies at all.
In terms of volunteering, I already work a part time job and go to college, so I don't want to spread myself thin.

Would things like honor societies or random clubs at my college be a good idea? While I don't go there physically I can still show up to clubs because it's 20 mi away.

>>18417211
Not her but no. Just because you are a better package deal as a romantic partner doesn't mean you're necessarily a better sexual partner and women have sexual pride, too. We don't like the idea either that you settle for us sexually because we can become a good mother and we support you and what not. We want to be the real deal to you. Not the practical option to grow old with.

>>18417214
Oh, alright
Thanks, that will help me understand my current GF

>>18417210
>But anon, I'm using them right back.

I find it hilarious when feminists think they're giving men a taste of their own medicine by sleeping around.

You're not "using" any of these men, you can't even if you tried. These men want sex from you, you're just giving them what they want.

Women want financial security from men, not sex, they just use sex to get what they want, that's the entire reason that they can even be "used" by men for sex.

>>18417211
>>18417214
Basically what she said. He just settled for me, but that doesn't necessarily make me the best. I wasn't his first choice, so.

>>18417219
For what it's worth, I've had one partner and he came out of a (for his age) extremely long term relationship with the only girl he slept with. He was courteous enough to never talk about what she was like in bed but I knew there were a lot of "normal" things (facesitting, 69 etc) that he had never tried. After seeing him look at me with amazement and shock, hearing him breathlessly about how he couldn't believe this was real, I was making all his fantasies come true etc, there is no way I can ever happily settle for a man who is blase about sex. I want a partner I can still discover and explore with, as much as he can surprise me and blow my mind.

>>18417221
High fucking five.

>>18417213
Yeah that sounds like a good idea, and they'll be around your age too at college clubs so a good bet.

When I said racetrack I meant like horse or dog races, where you can get drunk and gamble. But idk if that's more of just a British thing these days.

You don't have to like the books in a reading group necessarily, and you might be able to find one that fits your niche anyway if you're in a big enough city. Or you may discover a whole new taste!

Another thing that's just come to mind is those meetup groups? I've never done them but they sound like they're for making friends.

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>>18417220
>Women want financial security from men, not sex, they just use sex to get what they want
>reading this and masturbating 1-3 times a day fantasizing about feeling a man against my body again

>>18417220
I didn't say I was giving them a taste of their own medicine. It's just a symbiotic thing, we both get what we want out of it: sex.

I'm an accountant, I earn plenty of money and desu I usually hook up with younger college guys cos they're hot, so money sure as fuck isn't my aim.

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CAN YOU GUYS STOP SHILLING FOR WOMEN TO NOT SLEEP AROUND. YOU'RE RUINING EVVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'LL PERSONALLY GET EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU

>>18417227
>I want a partner I can still discover and explore with, as much as he can surprise me and blow my mind
Obviously

Thanks for your input

>>18417227
There's no better feeling than a guy amazed by you in bed. By the time he sleeps with multiple women, nothing is surprising to him. You're just another girl. This is the dumbest meme on 4chan lol

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>>18417202
>>18417196
Going to agree with this anon, on the whole.
There isn't anything inherently wrong with being a slut and it doesn't make anybody a bad person, but slutty men are pretty 'gross' on the relationship value scale, same way that slutty women are. The combination of "Well why me/am I actually good enough?" and "He must have pretty low standards then, right?"

As a good friend to many slutty men, something interesting I have observed is that when you're fucking 50 people one time, you tend you get quick vanilla sex. When you fuck one person fifty times, you get into the good shit.
There's also a clear distinction between those who don't give a shit, and those who are respectful.

I say this as a chick who has only slept with two people, currently with a guy who would easily be 50+. I was his friend for years to witness it and we started out as just fuckbuddies, ha.

>>18417236
We're trying to do what's right: put an end to the one-night stands and polyamourous memes

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>>18417210
>living by sex and the city
It's televison, not real life.

How can I tell if I have a crush on someone because I like them for who they are or whether I like someone just because I'm lonely/bored?

>>18417241
I took my gf's virginity but she's still able to amaze me in bed. I'm very proud of her thanks to this (among other things)

>>18417241
>that feeling when he looks at you like a kid getting that Christmas gift they didn't dare to hope for

Spread the word. We are legion etc. Sex being a rare part of life is a big element that makes it more exciting and naughty.

>>18417243
How do you not feel insecure about that? How long have you guys been together for?

>>18417232
Honestly it sounds like you have no higher cause to live for in life, and that's pretty sad.
Even having children is a higher cause, a genetic legacy that goes for thousands of years and the shaping of new human beings.

But just fucking around, that's just a waste of time if that's all you do.
Your money also doesn't matter once you die, so there's that.

>>18417249
For the record I don't think that after an arbitrary amount of women a man loses his sense of sexual wonder. But if you are talking about extremes like fifty partners (and plenty less) then yeah, the chance of being equal in capacity to surprise and overwhelm each other is extremely slight.

I have also never heard a man detailing about a full sex life (say 10+ women) without at some point dropping "bodies all look alike", "you start to see patterns", talking about categories etc. To me that just kills the magic. Plus I do not abstain from sex I would love to have just for a man who is the furthest thing from picky.

>>18417249
Also for the record >>18417257 is not who you replied to, other anon in the discussion but we seem to feel very similar.

>>18417179
Every chick on planet earth should read this.

>>18417257
>50+ partners
In my case I only had 3 (4 if you count that stupid brat I didn't fuck but sexted with)
But my current GF has some insecurities toward/is jealous of my previous relationship. I feel that talking with women about this kind of things could help deal with those insecurities

That's why I always lurk this thread

>>18417264
I think part of that is unavoidable. You really need to experience for yourself what it's like to be with someone new to fully grasp just how different sex is with someone else, particularly if there's also feelings involved and it's not run off the mill one night stand banging. Also to experience for herself how you can love different people without it taking away from someone else.

The best you can do at the moment is stress what you like about her specifically. Not just that she is pretty or whatever but how she makes you feel inside and outside of the bedroom, ways in which she helped you grow or develop new interests, things that are new/unique about your relationship with her. Ultimately you cannot forge her self esteem for her but this is the best way to be supportive.

I'm so tired of people pretending that how many people you sleep with don't matter. It most definitly do.

>>18417253
Little backstory: I left my shitty, abusive ex of four years on New Years. He was my only other experience and I hated him, hated sex with him.
Had known this guy for 2-ish years, became closer friends for maybe six months by the time we started sleeping together in February.
It basically started as "I'm extremely attracted to you and trust you as a friend, so let's just mess around/I'll get some practice in."

My immediate thought was "Jesus christ I didn't realize sex could actually be this good and intimate."

Turns out it was mutual and about a month ago we both got really fucked up at a party and spent the night just cuddlin', and he admitted that he loved me.

After we actually started dating, it came out that he's never done any kind of assplay or facefucking, and he loves both of them now.

But what really cemented it is hen he stopped one night to tell me that "Everything I do to you is WITH you, with the utmost love and respect."

>But ngl, as I'm reading this back to myself, I might have just lucked out.

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>>18417280
From some of the things he's said during the act, I also get the impression that he's never been with anybody as inexperienced as I am.

>Also that time I asked if I was doing okay and he said, quite earnestly, that I could just use my hands and it'd still be amazing.

>>18417273
>pretending

But it doesn't matter to some people. If you mind, then that's fine. But if someone doesn't, then that's fine too. This is one of those things people can argue about endlessly, because it's mainly a question of opinion.

>>18417280
I am so jealous of you. I am just as inexperienced as you are and I cannot find a guy to love me. I think I am too ugly and awkward. But I'm glad things worked out for you anon.

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>>18417253
>>18417288
Sorry, I'll stop chain-posting, I just keep forgetting to add shit.

To answer your question, we've been an actual 'thing' for.. Three and a half weeks? Going to visit his parents in a couple of weeks when he gets back from work.

And something else I just thought of: When our mutual friends first found out that we were sleeping together, the closest (to both of us) took me aside and specifically warned me not to catch feelings, because of his history with women.

>>18417297
You should be careful anon.

how can i get a 4chan boyfriend

>>18417294
I'm an 8/10 that's more muscular than 90% of /fit/, virgin, high sex drive, and I would never cheat on you, but you wouldn't fuck me because I'm a NEET with no money, and that's a deal breaker for all women since they're all whores.

>>18417302
Fuck off, professional victim.

>>18417302
I don't care if you're a NEET. I have my own money. But since you are calling all women whores, I'll pass.

>>18417306
Women say one thing: "I don't care about money".

But what they do is another story. How many male NEETs do you know with a gf or wife? In-between jobs doesn't count.

>>18417312
My ex was a NEET. Keep assuming the worst of us.

>>18417298
I'm pretty confident. Like I said, I'm friends with a good amount of mansluts, and knew him for a long time during which we were purely platonic (I was in a relationship), and he had no reason to hide anything from me then. I've already seen that side of him and he's still one of the 'respectful' ones.

>>18417315
>My ex
Was he a NEET when you met him?

Was him being a NEET a factor in you breaking up?

You can lie, but I already know the answer to these two questions.

>>18417320
>this is my world view and when confronted by anything contradicting it I declare it false

Goog going.

>>18417320
He was a NEET when we met, but I was a broke college kid so I didn't really care. Actually he broke up with me for something completely unrelated. I was too clingy. If you already know the answer then why ask?

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>>18417302
>more muscular than 90% of /fit/

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>she says she likes me, no interested in a relationship
>i agree
>fwb
>hang out a lot
>she seems to be getting feels, says she feels different but she's just going to bottle it up
>seems to be a little jealous too
>don't worry realize this is just what happens sometimes
>i start, for some reason, to start feeling, and get kinda jealous (vaguely)
>she's creeped out, starts talking to me less
>i sit her down and explain the situation, that i'm cool and over it now
>she thanks me for talking to her straight up about it
>still don't talk like we used to, less physical/eye contact, etc.
>not even sure she'll hang out with me outside of sex like we used to

So guys, how can i fix this? i was thinking about just bringing up the times she got "jealous" and showing her that i was able to get over it, so she should too?

>>18417326
How'd you meet him?

I'm waiting to hear the stupid/crazy lie you come up with. I question whether this NEET ex-bf even existed.

>>18417329
Gymcel

>>18417336
t.your local gym twink

>>18417333
I'll tell you anyways anon. I'm sorry, you seem very hurt.

He is my brother's friend. I didn't know he was a NEET until later because his mom pays for everything, and he looks like any normal guy.

>>18417254
Chill the fuck out. I'm 26, I got time if I want to have kids. Right now I'm happy and materially comfortable. I have a load of other shit going on in my life, but even if I didn't, fuck you, there are lots of ways to lead a happy life.

>>18417356
>I got time
you literally have 4 years

>>18417320
Not her but my ex was also a NEET. We dated almost three years, during which time he read books , cooked me food, we went on long walks, taught me things. He was lovely. You're clearly a cunt though, so what do you have to offer a woman?