Refusing to do Oral

>>18406638
>calling it beef
With your attitude I'm sure you won't have to worry about this situation

>>18406673
quite comforting but I like to plan for everything

Then don't expect to get oral yourself. Or just have sex with men.

>>18406638
It's like anything else in life, you either get passed it or you don't. Depending on the girl, it may be a deal breaker or it may not be a big deal. There are lots of ways to stimulate a girl besides your tongue. Look at it this way, if a girl refused to suck your dick would it be a deal breaker? She could give you a hand job, fuck you, titty fuck you, take it in the ass but would that be enough? Only you and your partner can decide and only what you two think matters. Nobody else's opinion does.

>>18406638
I can understand you and I'm a female which is mostly an innie although not porn-tier perfect. I wouldn't go down on myself, female sexual organs simply aren't aesthetic (with very view exceptions). Sadly most women will bitch about it while fully understanding when other girls don't want to suck on dicks. I feel you. Your best bet is finding a girl which doesn't like oral (I don't, but most guys love it somehow so I refuse or just act as if it not absolutely akward faking being aroused by soething like that).

There's no real solution. You will have to get lucky again.

you never go down for the first few weeks of banging them.

but the catch is you got to bang them good

>>18407401
>I don't, but most guys love it somehow
I think they just feel obligated.

Every time a guy voices insecurity about his dick size or something people will just tell him to learn to get good at oral, especially if his manhood is lacking.

>>18407401
I'm the same, being eaten out doesn't do much for me, I enjoy the sentiment, but there are better ways... I'd pick a guy who's good with his fingers over a guy good with his tongue anyday.

In response to the OP, I'd say the guy typically sets the pace in hookup culture, if you tease her enough to get her wet in the first place, you can just go straight to sex without having to go down on her. If she tries to force your head down there, just laugh and say something like "I know of something better..."

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>>18406638
Buy magick wand and use it instead. Also
>not liking flappy vaginas
What are you? Gay?

>>18407417
>I think they just feel obligated.
Believe me, I told them that I don't like it, that they don't have to and try to chance position as soon as possible and they still ask me to even sit on their face - which is an absolute no go for me. It's like some Cyanide & Happiness strip. No thanks.

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>>18407422
>I'd pick a guy who's good with his fingers over a guy good with his tongue anyday.
Ooouh yeah. Much better.

>>18407427
Honestly, that looks disgusting. And I'm not even thinking of all the different colouring or wrinkles on there - or even hair mixed with the juice.

>>18406638
this is some autist level shit right here.

i hope you find your virginal innie love, OP, I truly do.

>>18407435
>this is some autist level shit right here.
Funny you say that, I'm on the spectrum and all those fleshy unregularities are one of the greatest deserteficators. If it at least would be smooth, unicolour and symmetric and not look like a war-like flesh wound on most women.

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>>18407433
>disgusting
Maybe you shoud try dick. Do you find dicks aesthetical op? Do you like dressing like a girl? Do you love when gf bends you over and do you?

Maybe you are bi, or gay.

>I cant lick the spot men stick their dicks into
So you won't be kissing them either.
Don't touch their face or tits while you are at it. Oh, or their hands.

>>18407441
>Maybe you shoud try dick.
I'm a woman, I love dick probably kinsay 2-2.5. I'm also not OP.

>>18406638
Do you really think that the aspect of the lips has anything to do with how much dick she took?

I have a innie and I have sex basically every day for the last 10 years. My best friend fucked about 20 different dudes and she has an innie as well. My other friend has a roastie and she was like that since she was 12 and definitely virgin.

I can understand the aesthetic preference, but it has nothing to do with the "mileage".

>>18407450
>do you think a wornout ragged lips look like its taken my mileage than pristine well kept lips

>>18407445
so many fallacies in one post

>>18407446
>woman
>loves dick
Yep, that is gay as fuck. But since you are girl, it is socially encouraged so dont worry, you are within tolerance.

And since when girls rate how pussy looks? It is as stupid as guys rating attractivity of other males bodies. Until you are full blown gay, you arent qualified to rate at all the same gender.

And i like flappy girls. They are always a bit insecure about it and it feels good to play around with it until they go crazy and rapes you.

>>18407458
It literally has nothing to do with how much dick she took.
Labia gets saggy with age as all other things. But most women who have an outie in their 20s have it since they are born.

>>18407460
We literally made that chicks career.

>>18406638

Without Dental Dams you shouldn't do it anyhow, since that will likely give you HPV.

Just use your hands and get really good at that and you should be fine.

>>18407464
this delusional

>>18407464
The actual cause is irrelevant, worn out lips scream miles of dick. Intuition mate. If you have a birthmark that looks like a burn wound, dont be surprised when people think you were burned.

>>18407463
>And since when girls rate how pussy looks?
You would bitch that I'm gay if I had said I'm a guy and know you bitch that a woman can't rate flapps. There's no winning with people like you.

>Until you are full blown gay, you arent qualified to rate at all the same gender.
Sure, it's not like I can judge my own flapps and say what I like or not. You people always make shit up to shame others who say that X on females isn't attractive. I also told you I'm a 2- 2.5 which makes me attracted to both genders and giving me the chance to judge them both equally.

>They are always a bit insecure about it and it feels good to play around with it until they go crazy and rapes you.
Yeah, guys like you also like fat girls because they are easy and insecure and go ape shit once they believe you you actually like tat shit - but you don't really, you like their insecurities about it.

>>18407464
you have first hand experience anon? i'm a call the cops

>>18407476
I have a nice and plump innie and I've been taking dick daily since I was 15.
You're deluded if you think it means anything. Your "intuition" doesn't work.

>>18407484
Intuition doesnt work because surgery exist. But Im damn sure not gonna look at some worn out flaps and think they havent seen miles

>>18407484
>taking dick daily since I was 15
Is that even legal.

>>18407489
does it matter in Oklahoma?

>>18407487
Intuition doesn't work because the prominence of the inner labia and the amount of dick taken aren't correlated.
You're free to think whatever, but it doesn't make any sense.

>>18407489
Yes. Age of consent is 15 in my country. I lost it 3 days before my 16th birthday.

OP, you're just gonna have to get good at sexing them up, that way you have to stick your persnickety face down there, ya hear me?

ya wanna sex them up real good.

>>18407492
>it doesnt make any sense to think something that looks worn out is worn out
Really nigga

>>18407492
>Age of consent is 15 in my country
Sure it is.

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>>18407496
Germany reporting in, depending on the age of your partner you can fuck legally 14 upwards.

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>>18407478
I didnt know it will trigger you, i am sorry. The fag part was failed joke. I havent realized you are femanon, i always presume male anon here until proven otherwise.

And i always try to shy away flappy haters, because there is always that one insecure femanon about it and these threads wont help them at all. And i honestly like it. I have yet to meet pussy which will disguist me. Once i had to force girl to take shower, but that was it.

And i still think that bisexuals are just indecisive people. Stick to rating boys until you decide you are full blown lesbo.

I dont date fat girls, because i was fat once and i know how easy it is to unfatten yourself. And insecure girls are easier to date, but my ultimate goal is ro always cure their insecurity, not abuse it.

Sorry for trigger.

>>18407489
>>18407496
Educate yourselves stupid burgers.

>>18407501
less, if you're a rapefugee

sorry Fritz

>>18407496
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe
Actually 14. The things you learn.

>>18407495
Yup, really. It's natural for some girls. It is mostly correlated with ethnicity.

>>18407507
Anon, just stop. It's the same anon posting, and he's obviously some 17-year-old loser with no experience.

Let life teach him the hard lessons and let's move on to a more productive thread.

>>18407507
>Actually 14. The things you learn.
> It is mostly correlated with ethnicity.

you must be some kind of Turco-Balkan breed then.

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>>18407505
> because there is always that one insecure femanon about it and these threads wont help them at all
I don't care. If they keep reading after OP they have to deal with unpleasant opinions. I'm not a fan of safe spaces. Especially not on 4chan.

>I have yet to meet pussy which will disguist me. Once i had to force girl to take shower, but that was it.
Honestly, that sounds like you would simply fuck everything and not really someone to take an opinion from. Like I wouldn't ask a german about skat fetishes.

>less, if you're a rapefugee
Yeah, or a green party member in germany (they got butthurt that germany has spoken out against child marriage and are known for pedophilic tendencies).

>>18407496
Worldwide it IS in a lot of countries, there are even such that have it at 14 (like Germany for example) or 13 (like some African and Asian nations).

>>18407507
>worn out things arent worn out
sure thing

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>>18407513
Natural selection, there is no reason to keep degenerates in ones ingroup. It's better for the gen pool if they go away and whiten up some negroes.

Nothing of value is lost.

>>18407514
>sounds like you would simply fuck everything
And you sound like shallow girl i would drop on 1st date just for that attitude alone.

Have a nice day.

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>>18407501
>>18407505
>>18407507
>>18407515
So a 50 year old guy can legally have sex with a 14 year old girl?

>>18407523
>And you sound like shallow girl i would drop on 1st date just for that attitude alone.
Being honest and not hiding your opinions because of insecure people still going out of their way to be confronted with their insecurities has nothing to do witzh being shallow. That's again just a way people like you try to shame honest people for the feels of the unlucky ones.

>>18407526
>So a 50 year old guy can legally have sex with a 14 year old girl?
No, as I said, it's age dependant, meaning that a 14 yo can get dicked by a max 16yo, A 16yo by a 18yo.

>>18407526
Yes. But prostitution and other stuff is 18+. And if her parents have problem with you, you will have a bad time.

>Move to EU when?

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>>18407529
>>18407533
>The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14- to 15-year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination, in which case a conviction of an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself

>>18407526
>So a 50 year old guy can legally have sex with a 14 year old girl?

In a lot of countries: Theoretically yes.

In Germany: In several, but not all cases.
The general age of consent here is 14, but if the older partner is over 21 a judge can raise it to 16 in court, if he deems the younger person sexually immature. (Evaluated both by how developed her body and mind are and whether she had past partners or not.) So if you wanna be on the safe side the AoC is 16, but that raise hardly happens. Actually I know of a case where a 15 year old girl went to court for the right to continue seeing her BF (in the late 20s) after the parents forbid it, and she won.

>>18407529
>No, as I said, it's age dependant, meaning that a 14 yo can get dicked by a max 16yo, A 16yo by a 18yo.
Which country? (Since in Germany it works differently).

>>18407526
In my country, yes - the only exception is if they have power over the kid (teacher, educator, coach, etc).

It is illegal to record minors having sex, to take pics of them and it is illegal to pay them to have sexual acts.
If a 50 year old can seduce a 14 year old and fuck them, all good.

>>18407534
>being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense by itself
Still you will be called a pedo if you bang a 14yo and their parents will probably get the authorities in and say that she's not mentaly old enough and that you use her for your pleasure.

>>18407533
Hast du das in größerer Auflösung? Das im Roten ist ja kaum zu lesen.

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>>18407534
This is hilarious. Good for you, Germany.

>>18407540
Nope, couldn't find a better one.
It says: "VERBOTEN: nach §178 StGB. Der Ältere Partner macht sich strafbar."

>>18407545
Thanks.

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>>18407534
>germany is 14
>turkey is 18

>>18407529
>shame honest people for the feels of the unlucky ones
I am sorry you see empathy as a tool to use people around you for your own profit.

It is kinda like sociopath thinking pattern. Believe it or not, i hate people around me being sad / unhappy and i try to help them whenever i fell i have power to do so.

You reminded me how not all people are nice after all...

>>18407547
It's just paper and mostly so that kids can have fun with each other in germany, you would still get publicly shamed for even thinking of fucking a 14yo as a 21yo.

t. german

On the other hand the turks still marry of young with old and have changed the legal sex age to 14yo last fall under Erdogan. And they actually don't have a problem with fucking kids (see rampant child prostitution in syrian refugee camps).

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>>18407547
>turkey is 18

In theory. In practice child marriages are still widespread in rural turkey (and since there consent doesn't matter much basically rapes), and Erdogan recently wanted to make a law to make them legal, though he withdrew after getting too much international bad press for it.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-22/turkey-withdraws-child-marriage-bill-submits-it-for-review/8048398
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_marriage_in_Turkey

But his daughters are Qt 3.14s
So at least there is a reason. :p

>>18407551
>You reminded me how not all people are nice after all...
You would be surprised, I'm one of the nicest people you could ever learn to know. I'm just brutaly honest as a german. We don't have this fake-friendliness the burgers tend to exibit. We a harsh but lovely. It like the difference between men and women. Men will kick each others ass due to a dissagreement but after that drink again as good friends while women will praise each other just to backstab and trash talk behind ones back.

I rather take the manly attitude.

>>18407547
Kek

>>18407555
>those goats
>Qt 3.14s

kek

>>18407552
>you would still get publicly shamed for even thinking of fucking a 14yo as a 21yo.

Really depends on the social group/ context.
A Gymnasiast (A level student) would get shamed. A Hertz 4 child with that of another Hrtz IV family (social welfare)? Less so. That is much more common. And my past youth leader at church, who did had Abitur, dated a 14 year old when he was 19 or so.

And don't forget that one CDU/CSU politician a few years back who dated a 16 year old he once gave Nachhilfe ( help with schoolwork) to in his late 20s. His party forced him to resign over it, but her family was fine with it,his village was, and many people on FB as well.

>>18407561
Just imagine them with long curly black hair instead of the scarf and in a better dress.
They look like typical college sluts who would be in a girls do porn video.

>>18407564
>A Hertz 4 child with that of another Hrtz IV family (social welfare)?
That's probably more due to the fact that most on HartzIV ar Muzzies or low IQ degenerates (which is mostly the same).

Also 16 and 19 is a greater difference than 14 and 21. You grow fast in those years especially as a woman. 1-2 y make a great difference.

>>18407567
>Just imagine them with long curly black hair instead of the scarf and in a better dress.
Their face looks disgusting (teeth and whole unsymmetrie, bad complexion and lame colour scheme). 4/10 in my book desu.

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>>18407567
Just to show what I find attractive:

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>>18407578
one on the left (stage right) has an outie, I'm willing to bet the farm on it.

on the stage left (blondie) I couldn't care less, I'd go full Turk on her Lebkuchen.

>>18407556
I feel like if you were my gf, you would bully me a lot and later tell me that you are just honest.

>>18407578
Sorry, but I do not find them particularly attractive.
If it is about race, there are better looking white women as well (to me).

>>18407583
Now these look better, but I still would prefer something else.

Whatever.
Geschmäcker sind verschieden.

>>18407608
Nah, I'm the opposite. I would show you how to better yourself without even saying anything which would make you feel down. I would boost you as a person why letting you believe that it was all there already and only needed to be unveiled. But if you ask me something face to face and want an honest discussion I won't like. Don't ask, don't tell. That's why I tend to go for the nerdy and unexperienced guys which I can grow to be a better man for their future wifes. I'm quite altruistic.

Be more than you seem to be is a good describtion for me.

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>>18407616
I'm a Slav, so I find slavic beuaties more attractive. Just as nature intended.

>>18407620
>for their future wives
This makes so many weird questions about your life i am not even sure if i want to hear it.

Godspeed.

I've had a similar experience.. Went down on this chick I had been talking too and what I thought would be a normal vag turned out to be quite a different story. I was almost shocked not 'blue waffle' shocked but still taken back by the appearance of this particular puss .

If its important to the girl and you are in a loyal relationship you should consider doing it for her however if you are just hook ups then I would just try to bypass that in other ways fingers etc or just shove your dick up there & tell her to shut the fuck up and take it haha. If she doesnt like it move on. Its not like hookups are anybody special. Its like this dudes who have small dicks are the equivelant of girls with outties . sucks but nature is a fucking bitch and both genders suck equally. They dont call it bumpin uglies for nothin op.

I don't think you should have a problem with hook ups. Omitting oral entirely and just sticking to fondling/hand stuff then fucking is pretty common for a one night stand.
You only really have a problem if you NEED to get your dick sucked, because then the most courteous and obvious excuse that you only do oral with exclusive and tested partners is off the table. Although if you don't mention anything you could still get lucky as fellatio is regarded as more standard than cunnilingus at least in these situations.

In a relationship though, you have to straight up tell your partner you're not a fan of oral. There will be women who give zero fucks, there will be women who can live with it, but it's a con. No real difference from a woman who doesn't want to go down in that regard. For many men it would be shitty but not an instant dealbreaker, as long as there's feelings involved and they like the overall package.

Having said that I don't really get the huge deal with ejaculation. You realize men came in her mouth, right? That even if she's a pristine virgin piss comes out of there? God forbid if you're into assplay.

There's a reason they call good sex "dirty" lovingly.

>>18407422
>good with his fingers
I understand everyone is different and that what something might work for someone won't for someone else, but tips?

>>18407975
>what I thought would be a normal vag turned out to be quite a different story.

boipoucci?

>>18407620
That does sound pretty cool. If it's true good going
But that part about future wives is interesting

Do you see yourself more as a medium to better others than an actual mate?

I've had many different vaginas in my mouth and I'll admit that it bothered me more when I was younger and I must have looked at them more or appreciated the novelty or something, but the older I've gotten the less fucks I give about looking at them and the more oral sex (giving) became about just getting the whole sordid act out of the fucking way as quickly as possible in the dark, with a blanket over my head and my eyes shut so I could tick that box off and get on with the main act of spearing it to la petite mort instead of making leisurely lunch of it gazing deep into the eye of the beast.

That said if I was served some of the neat vagina of my past instead of the mouth of cuthulu I'm currently dating I might feel differently. Don't get me wrong, I am very good at oral sex, the trick is just to go at it like a starving dog, maintaining an awareness of how close they are and working that edge constantly and pretending AT ALL TIMES that you like nothing more than you wear her nether regions like a nose bag.

I tend to do my best work when I'm so ridiculously horny that I don't care what I'm getting myself into. Being in the moment sexually is always much better than actually thinking about it for me. After all, sex is faintly ludicrous if you think about it.

>>18406638
OP you must understand, in hookup culture its about giving and receiving orgasms and various pleasures. Most women are very jaded on PIV because it has rarely worked for them and can usually only cum with oral. You must have intense dick game or you'll get a bad reputation in your area fast.

Its way different if looking for love. Women will bend to your will, even including vibrators and shit and just deal with it then its fine.

In Tinder and all that women want that tongue going on and then the dick like they see in them pornos. Just the way of the world sadly.

>>18408203
For the record, women are not necessarily jaded on PiV because it doesn't make them come as reliably as men. It is more about men still expecting PiV to do the trick, often not just glossing over oral but foreplay entirely.

Men still watch more porn than women do and that has created a bunch of habits that are much more favorable for male sexual pleasure than female. Not just talking about lack of attention for "softer" stuff than penetration, but also expecting anal, facials etc.

>>18408129
>Do you see yourself more as a medium to better others than an actual mate?
Yeah, I've got my issues which don't allow me do live a normal life for long periods of time so I don't see a reason to bond long-term with people and to waste their fertile years with someone which most probably is going to be mental biohazard for prolonged periods of time. But I still want human interaction and the "boyfriend experience" so I tend to go for the desribed type of guy and use my experience to fullfill their dirty wishes and smooth them out for normie girlfriends. The only downside is that most guys don't want to part ways afterwards (although I always make it clear that we won't get old together). I know it hurts them but I do believe that they afterwards have better self-confidence which allows them to get a new girl easier than bevor. At least I hope so. I really want to see them happy. There are so many great guys out there which only need a little smoothing out to have a fullfilled life.

>>18408226
Bipolar?
Aids?
Heritage disease?
Terminal cancer?

>>18408225
I'm going to say that 'textbook male pleasure' has never really done it for me. Jack hammer fucking is more about physical endurance than actual sensation. I like it wet, messy, slow, deep and grindy.

>>18408226
I see, given your situation I understand and respect the desire to make short but meaningful relationships with others, given what you said about long term not being an option (I feel curious, I won't lie, but I understand I can't know everything, as much as I'd like to). It's a noble goal to want to help people improve themselves, and understanable that they wouldn't want to break off after such an experience. It's only natural

Is that why you're here? To help out more people?

>>18408247
That's great, very happy that those men are still out there, but especially among young and inexperienced guys this attitude is extremely common.

I don't think that there's anything wrong with porn as a means to pleasure, switching it up, getting inspired etc. But it does give a very specific image of what sex is, and I feel that many men take some time to realize that what they watched all that time is not what "sex" is but what a specific kind of fucking is.
At the end of the day, the preferences, sensitivites, fantasies etc of your partner and yourself should always be the most important factors for how your sex life looks, nothing else.

Harry G. Frankfurt
“Bullshit is unavoidable whenever circumstances require someone to talk without knowing what he is talking about."

>>18408237
>>18408265
It's psychological and a bit physiological (epigenetics are a bitch). You would never know even knowing me in person.

>Is that why you're here? To help out more people?
Nah, I mostly shitpost in /pol/ but it's still interesting to get different views here from people which tend to have similar difficulties, which sometimes results in good advices. Although it would be grade to help more loners here, especially considering the hostility most young men face in todays society.

>>18406638
There are plenty of girls out there who don't require you to lick their triple all beef paties.

>>18408293
>hostility most young men face in todays society
Example?

>>18406638
Look anon. Dont do hookup culture. Doesn't matter if you wear condoms.. I just ended up with herpes and shame. I have a gf wants to marry me but i just want to die. Hopefully she finds out from the doctor and i can claim i had no idea.

>>18408293
Well, that's something to be glad about. At least it won't affect how people relate with you. I do hope it isn't too much of a disadvantage on a daily basis

/pol/ is a magical place, I've only gone there a couple times, but they sure were memorable

>hostility most young men face in todays society.
Tell me about this, if it's okay with you

>>18408319
Woah, dude, that sucks. The hookups were before or after the gf came into the picture?

Truly, hookups, not even once

>>18408319
I'd feel sorry for you if you hadn't lied about your girlfriend about this shit.

>>18408318
>>18408330
>mental abuse from women
>few rights before the law to escape female abuse (nearly no shelters, "don't be a pussy")
>being seen as useless to society if not earning money/ having a wife
>fathers rights and growing up without a role modell in a feminzed society
>genital mutilation and that society doesn't take it seriously
>...

Just to name a few. Mens right are a big issue but sadly our society still doesn't care enough for them to even stop attacking their existance and support groups. I would recommend plebbits r/mensrights and "an ear for men" on youtube if you want to get a taste. I really think that women owe it to men to stand up for them and we women have a unique chance because (just like in the right wing) women get heared while men just get called names and ignored.

>/pol/ is a magical place, I've only gone there a couple times, but they sure were memorable
I love /pol/, it has it all. Trash, humour, underground news from all around the world and really exquisit political discussions ones you ignore the superficial slang to keep the normies and shills away.

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>>18408374
>genital mutilation
Fuck that shit. In usa they are as brain dead as it gets. Plus health care and pay for education via debts bullshit.

The other points are bit meh, but still undeniable.

Have a nice day.

>>18408386
It's not limited to what she mentioned. Men are more often addicted than women, more often homeless, kill themselves more often, commit crimes more often. Sure many of these are a result of testosterone primarily or in a big part, but they're still "male issues".

Personally I also feel like a lot of guys nowadays struggle with how to be and feel like a masculine man. Physical strength does not have much importance anymore; men are less often the breadwinner. Mainstream feminism does not offer anything useful there except for negative definitions - men cannot be violent or pushy, have to respect women etc. Even if you 100% agree with that, the question remains what to strive towards.

While I don't believe in shit like women having life on easy mode, I do think that if you're an average person in a western country you're better off being female right now. Although I think being a top ranking man is still much better than a top ranking woman.

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>>18406638
Unless the pussy so raw and ugly I will NOT eat it, but generally I am a pussy eating motherfucker. Ya I always check how it looks before I go down on a botch.

E40 niggas!

>>18408374
It amusses me how the ideas of "what a man should be" are more a hindrance than a help
A man is supposed to be someone that takes care of his own problems and thus asking for help is an "unmanly" thing to do. And showing weakness, even worse. A man is an impervious Stone Wall, a fortress. To not be that, is unthinkable

You're given few tools and you're laughed at if you use them

I'm the first to roll my eyes at the idea of all these genders people keep making up in tumblr, but gender roles are seriously something problematic for both sides that doesn't really add anything

>fathers rights and growing up without a role modell in a feminzed society
What do you mean by this?
Sorry for taking so much of your time

>>18408404
Same dude here, eating them out makes them cum even more. They get more pleasure from that obvs. Had a couple of bitches pay me since I did them so good which is funny cuz I didnt ask for it (like $20 guys nuthn srs). Point is I know how to make them cum and enjoy but if a botch has crab meat and looks like it is dried up in the sun then no thx

>>18408402
Men are left in some sort of "gender-wide" existential crisis, not knowing their place nor what they should do, and thus go searching for it and end up digging a bigger hole for themselves in the process

The man is in a place where he's unwanted, but not told what he should do instead

Is that right? I didn't expect this thread to be so interesting

>>18408414
If you're as good as you say, advice for someone starting out in the world of oral sex?

>>18408402
Absolutey right. It's time to speak up for men, just like you would for women in such a position instead of ignoring them while being a okey with so-called feminists group infiltrating politics and having such deep issues like how far away your knees are allowed to be on public transportation. Western women obviously don't seem to have any real things to fight for anymore. And don't get me stared on other laws, like in germany were companies have to take the woman if two different people are equally qualified.

>>18408412
>What do you mean by this?
One the one side fathers nearly never getting equal parental right (only the bill) while also most of the time not being allowed equal time with their children. On the other side the fact that many mothers today think that "they no no man" and so their kids grow up without one. And without having those studies at hand, there are multiple which show that kids need both parents to grow up mentally healthy and that also show that kids, and especially boys, without a father are MUCH more likely to become a criminal, get mental health problems or kill themselves. It's one big mess.

>>18408426
Yeah, pretty much. I actually do think that most people can "craft" an identity for themselves based on more individual aspects - for example, nurturing and caretaking is a traditionally very feminine aspect of life, but I am sure that there's young guys out there who feel like a man through taking care of an ill or aging parent at a young age, because they do something they 100% stand behind morally and rise up to a responsibility that surpasses what most of their peers have had to cope with.
However, it seems like a lot to ask of every single individual to go on this soul searching trip to decide what their version of masculinity is. Many people are not that introspective and/or intelligent. (Even intelligent people are not nearly always introspective.) Many people simply lead lives that leave them exhausted. And on top of all that, modern life has more distractions than ever to withdraw into escapism if real life or gnawing realizations about yourself overwhelm you. That is curing the symptoms, not solving the root cause.

That's in fact another issue to me. The boys who are most introverted, socially awkward, mildly autistic etc are the ones most likely to spend a lot of time playing games. Now obviously this offers a source of potential self esteem and social connections, but it's not comparable to interacting in real life. Kids learn how to act from playing with each other, that's the learning process to being an adult. It used to be a lot harder and more "extreme" to isolate yourself during childhood than it is now, and the boys most likely to isolate themselves are also those most likely to not be able to afford missing out on those experiences.

Now masculinity seems to be, generally speaking, more fragile than femininity to begin with. It is striking when looking at initiation rites worldwide, that there are so many more rituals to make a man out of a boy than to make a woman out of a girl.

>>18408426
In previous times your father showed you how to "be a man" and such gender roles have been showen to be healthy as children need guidence for their maturity. Growing up with only a mother which only gives you the female view and behavioural patterns only can trash you for life. A mother can't be a father on the same time, simple biology. We work on different ways. But due to the fact that people nowadays ignore biology and act as if everything is a social construct our kids have to deal with the shit, and growing up not knowing how to behave and later in life getting bashed for the lack of parenting.

And how can we expact that those kids will later get healthy relationships if they only have known single motherhood and hoock up culture in which men are at best a warm dildo.

>>18407401
>I can understand you and I'm a female which is mostly an innie although not porn-tier perfect.

I always hear about pornography setting unreasonable standards for the appearance of female genitals, but I do see a lot of "outies" and prolapsed vaginas in porn. In fact, it's kinda why I'm not interested in porn with penetration or labia-spreading. Rather see some nice tits or ass (so long as I don't have to see the anus).

If anything, I would say artistic nude photography and painting has more idealized female genitals than porn does. Ever see an outie in a Renaissance painting? I don't see them much in modern works, either. When it comes to variation in female genitals, porn is actually more realistic than art is.

>>18408438
One explanation of that is biological: a girl pretty clearly becomes a woman when she can bear a child, aka when she gets her first period. For a man, there's no such clear sign. First wet dream? Voice dropping? Bodyhair hair growing? Just three examples of the results of male puberty, and you can become an adult male just fine without one of those clearly happening.

A more evolutionary and more grim explanation is that biologically speaking, a woman simply has more worth than a man. Because of how incredibly high the investment is for a single human child (nine months time, plus the time to nurse as women typically do not get pregnant again while still breastfeeding), you want as many women as you can get.
Men, not so much. It's not ideal, but in theory a single man could keep an entire population alive. Especially in a time period where you're on the move and can run into other tribes and swap some people to get fresh blood for your gene pool a gain. No biggie. A handful of men would work just fine to get everything back on track.
So having as many men as women would mean you can afford to discriminate between worthwhile men and "excess" men. Especially when too many young men can derail the harmony (which is why many animal tribes have just one or a couple of males). So it is much more logical to actively guide men towards becoming worthwhile members of the group - or fucking off otherwise.

Not really that relevant for present day stuff, just a background theory I thought you might enjoy if this kind of stuff interests you.

Either way, women seem to feel much more inherently women than men feel men. Apart from evolutionary theorizing this could also be because men seem to be the default and women the exception culturally - just like colored people are typically much more aware of their race and have much more feelings on it than white people.

>>18408445
To be fair, a lot of the women who are innies in porn had surgery to get them that way. Also innie and outie are both a spectrum. Just like an outie can mean a bit jutting out or inches of labia, some innies have virtually no inner labia, but others only look closed when they're dry and open up with labia showing once they get wet and everything becomes slightly engorged with blood.

Also yeah art is not that realistic in general. I have never seen cellulite in a painting, either, yet most women absolutely do have it. I think not showing inner labia was also a matter of making it seem more modest. Especially since many of the stuff that shows the vulva has such minimalistic genitals (just a little slit, no plump outer lips either) that it's virtually not there anymore. An influence on the whole no labia thing was also that showing inner labia was regarded as vulgar for some time. In fact in Australia it is still deemed to explicit and retouched by law. So I think showing just innies was both an aesthetic choice and a matter of downplaying the genitals in general. Not unlike the little dicks of Greek statues.

>>18408441
>>18408438
>>18408435
Okay, I think I see. I think

So (maybe it's not the cause, but I think setting a frame would help me), with the greater importance that feminism is getting nowadays, man is being moved to a secondary position. It's being brushed aside, maybe being even reviled in more extreme cases, as a symbol of the past they're trying to change

In that process of changing, men and family structures are seen as something more optional, and expendable, in the case of men. Ad thus, trying to empower the Independence of women, a certain culture has been created around female sexuality, thus the appearance of that so called "hookup culture" and the more lenience on promiscuity

The men are seen as something more unnecesary and, since "they're not that important anymore", people don't take into account the importance of male parenting
And thus, we lose out on the pivotal importance that is the balance between masculinity and feminity that a full parenting would bring. You're left with a single view, and without the full education on what you are and is expected of you

Thus, both the lack of a father figure and the lesser importance of men leave young men unsure of what they are, or what they should be
The only way for them to know now, would be, as you said, introversión, seeing what makes them feel complete. But such introversion is not easy to achive, and even more now with how easier distractions come by, readily available to allow you to escape your unhappiness rather than confronting it

>>18408468
>showing inner labia was regarded as vulgar for some time
In ancient greece it was considerd barbaric to show the exposed penis head and you only then were considered really naked, so it was nothing special that men simply tied up their foreskin with a piece of thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kynodesme

>>18408478
And not to forget, a lacking father has also negativ consequences for girls, which leads them to go much ealier into puberty (due to biology thinking the man of the home is dead and so that she has to quickly find a man herself to not risk death) and also them becoming more masculanized due to the demasculinization of men. It's really a doom loop.

>>18408478
For the record, I am not an anti-feminist. There has been more written in favor of male development, expectations placed on men etc within (academic!) feminism than within any other discourse.
The issue is that the brunt of feminism still places women on the foreground as the gender who was traditionally second rate, while looking frankly at the situation of today, the issues that western women face are not of the same urgency as those of men.
This is, obviously, disregarding shit tier feminism like Jezebel whining about details.

I do not fully agree with your assesssment of hook up culture. I think only a small minority of men and women really benefit from that scene today. There is pushing (in part among the banner of feminism, absolutely) for women to enjoy sex in a masculine manner. Fact is that most women need a higher level of comfort and safety than men (which is not illogical, given that they allow themselves to be penetrated, can get pregnant etc) and often do not orgasm from the fleeting, to the point sex that hook ups mostly entails. Not to mention society still does not treat male and female promiscuity alike and women obviously have internalized that to a more or lesser extent.
For what it's worth though, young people are not more sexually active overall than they used tor:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-millennials-less-sex-20160802-snap-story.html
It's just more out in the open.

I do not personally think that men are seen as unnecessary as much as there being an attitude that they've had their turn and should stfu now while women catch up. While they have their own issues and are in fact rapidly falling behind.

>>18408485
That's hilarious and I had never heard of it, thanks.

Although I guess I shouldn't judge, I always feel twice as naked as soon as I take my socks off (assuming everything else is gone already).

>>18408499
You and the others might be interested in this documentary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK7n_XA40V8&t=366s

>>18408478
>men are seen as something more unnesessary
>male parenting

So, forgive me to put it so bluntly, but cant you sum your posts as:
Woman divorce way too often and kids are missing daddies?

Any solution to that?

>>18408504
I am highly interested in seeing this, just happened to see a promising comment on it a while back. Will absolutely look for the full documentary.

>>18408430
Go in it slowly. What I do is I lick the area around the vagina while rubbing her thighs specifically the inner one. Kiss around the vag, then lick the top of it. Remem er to massage her body with one of ur hands, massage the breast etc. Once ur done that "foreplay" licking around the outside it is time to move inside. Lick the slit and then make your way down into the vagina by slowly swirling your tounge in a circular motion as you go down into it. still rubbing her thighs.

Over time increase the speed of the licking and the roughness of the massage. Just like running you gotta pace yourself: start out slow then work your way up to speed.

This is the basis synopsis. Practice makes perfect. Remember to spin your tongue in circles or in a motion, get it everywhere. Good luck

>>18408515
>Any solution to that?
Outlowing No-fault-Divorce, outlawing women not letting the fathers having EQUAL ontact to their fathers and having equal opportunities to being the parent in chage.

More or less real equallity and taken more self responsibility to your actions. Atm it's all heavily in favour of the women, saying that as a woman myself.

>>18408523
I think it is already out on DVD, I highly recommend supporting it with a legal buy if you can affort it.

http://theredpillmovie.com/screenings/buy-rent-stream/

>>18408497
>which leads them to go much ealier into puberty (due to biology thinking the man of the home is dead and so that she has to quickly find a man herself to not risk death)
I didn't know that, that is actually very interesting, how biology works

>>18408499
I am not an anti-feminist either, I don't want to give that impression, I appreciate that it is something important, but it has negative side effects, like most things

Okay, I am mostly stumbling in the dark here, lacking in information, but I appreciate nonetheless that I am being read and corrected. Maybe the promiscuity and hookups were pushing it. It's natural for women to be more concerned about having sex, since their sexual cycle is much longer. Whereas a male's ends with ejaculation, a female's involves pregnancy, and it is quite the risk given how much it can fuck over your life

And I actually thought that people nowadays were having more sex than before, at least that's what it sounded like, but then again, that is what more exposition does. Make things look more prominent than they are

I feel I have little to add to the conversation, but I'd still like to hear you talk. It's interesting

>>18408515
Oh, I'm sorry, I ramble too much, I know
It was more setting up a frame so I could understand it better rather than making a point

>>18408545
If you're interested in this kind of studies and stats I highly recommend Molyneux if you can ignore his more... welll... let us say, amusing videos. He makes great representations on different kinds of topics and always includes his sources and studies so you can check their validity yourself. As I said, take him with a grain of salt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1xf78EltKM

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um3EmS9DKsI

>>18408550
Dont be sorry. You basically wrote a big chunk of r9k and pol knowledge without the jews and iGiveUp memes.

But really, you kind of see the male population havibg troubles, i see survival of the fittest. There are still a lot of normal people doing normal families stuff and rates of divorces are going down.

Have you considered that internet is just one big echo chamber where the loudest minority are the unhappy people?

>>18408535
I agree on no fault divorce. And the judges who are biased agaisnt fathers. But it still wont solve stupidity of people who marry / have kids with wrong partners or are generaly stupid themselves.

>unless we make stupidity illegal?

>>18408577
>But it still wont solve stupidity of people who marry / have kids with wrong partners or are generaly stupid themselves.

Well, cutting on self-induced welfare dependance would be a way, but I think even making it harder for the rest would have already great positive effects.

>unless we make stupidity illegal?

>wish for eugenics intensifies

>>18408545
I think it is very important because there is an entire body of work on how men and women (are supposed to) function socially, the power dynamics within society and so on. But I honestly think it is time for a new movement because feminism has had to suffer so much damage to its image (due to the most vulgar, extreme and superficial feminist pieces getting most exposure) that it repells people. Also, I do not feel like enough feminists are invested enough in male issues to honestly live up to feminism being a movement that is as much about male issues as it is about women's.

I also think that while the gender binary is of course in many cases practical, it can also polarize people. At the end of the day, we have to make do with one another. By far most of people's issues are universal. No one enjoys feeling disrespected, invisible, used, threatened and so on. Virtually all "gendered" issues contain these universally human elements of humiliation, fear, isolation.
For example I think sex education would benefit a lot from talking about these thinks perhaps taking a slightly different appearance among men or among women, but ultimately being the same. If you talk about consent, you think about a man assaulting a woman mostly. If you talk about experiencing pressure, that is much less gendered and I think a better opening for empathy. This would also help men catch up in other areas. It saddens me how many female sexual issues are at the very least quite well-known (like sexual assault on women, pressure to look perfect, focus on penetration that fits men more than women) but the other way around (pressure on men to perform and always get hard, not show insecurities, the grief from being turned down for sex over and over again) are still largely intact.

I think the trick is finding a good balance between stressing difference and stressing similarity, where they both complete each other instead of undermining.

Hope this was worthwhile still! :)

>>18408553
>>18408557
Thanks, I'll check them out. And don't worry, I may not know a lot of things, but I try to keep myself critical about what I do and don't take in. I'll be screwed if I took everything that was told to me as fact

>>18408577
That is also true, I'm not saying that everyone is fucked and all. It's what happend with my bit about hookups and promiscuity, I made it sound way bigger than I wanted.

Of course people are still thriving all the same and live goes on. But even if it's just a minority I still find it is interesting to take it into account all the same. I like seeing how things affect each other. Even if it's just 5 people in a 100, I still want to see what is happening there

>>18408582
>eugrnics
I expect it to be in production in 40 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRISPR
Imagine it, you will need married couple and state will pay for option to have sexy attractive tall clever disease free resistant to obesity resistant to stress and affinity to liking repetitive work baby.

Ofc it will start in china first, because they dont tie up scientists hands according to morals, but eventually it will spread around world and every parent will have option to have perfect baby.

>only in usa it will cost more than studying uni and boys will be born without foreskin

Future is bright. I am optimist.

>>18408587
>new movement
Oh please no, society has self regulating procedures, dont push yet another agenda which will use some crazy minority group to abuse power.

>>18408587
Oh, yes, it's worthwhile, I like reading you alot
I'm only sorry I can't really add much, I'm the one learning, after all

Tell me about the pros of the gender binary, if it's okay

>>18408606
I think it's understanable to want another movement,, even if it carries the risk of being misused

After all, feminism, owning to its very name, is about women first and foremost, but men also have stuff that needs to be talked about

>>18408625
No problem at all. I've been interested in this stuff for quite some time.

Most important pro is that it gives a framework that makes it very easy to differentiate between the life of the typical man and that of the typical woman. There are patterns that remain invisible if you cling to the whole "every individual is a unique little snowflake" perspective (which is of course true, just kind of useless to work with if you are trying to look at society instead of individuals). There are many cases in which the expectations placed on men and women are different.

Most of all though, a lot of the societal differences between men and women - mainly the most superficial ones relating to etiquette and clothing - are more of a cultural game or folklore than anything else. Most people are (exclusively or not) attracted to the opposite sex, and many of the beauty and behavioral norms have to do with highlighting the differences already present.
In part this is also to provide stability. Etiquette itself has as its main purpose that people know how to act so they can rest assured that they are not being improper. It is nowadays often mocked as pretentious, but it exists to avoid discomfort especially for people not used to the social situations they find themselves in.
You can argue that it is the same for masculine and feminine behavior, it provides a frame of reference for what a (desirable) man or woman looks and acts like. And that often boils down to playing up biological difference. A man holding the door open for a woman doesn't say that he is gallant or that she is weak as much as it's a kind of wink: I'm the man, you're the woman. People might have second thoughts about this being a thing throughout society (including in professional environments) nowadays, but most people do still want to feel this way in romance and sex.

As for the pros of letting go of that dichotomy, it allows for more room for how contradictionary people are. (Post too long)

>>18408606
Highly recommend:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxMdyLoFBYg

>>18408632
Are you woman? Cause i am man and even though i had many troubles through teens age, all what i think kids are missing is few classes about
>what can you do with your life
>how to look for job and make CV
>where to look for partner
>how to court them
>what to expect from relarionship
>how to not let marriage die
>how to do shopping properly
>finance management (and why to never take loans)
>how to stop being fat (if anybody showed me fit sticky at age ~15 my life would be soo easier)
All my school life i have been taught so many information, but nothing practical. Not a one thing. I really believe if kids were taught some hard facts about these the society wouldnt have many of today problems.

You dont need new movement, just to "normalize" knowledge between young people so the start of life is easier.

>>18408659
tl;dw: 20:30

>>18408651
Just because you can say that men as a group are x, does not mean that it follows that any given male individual you single out is also x. Too much weight given to the binary leaves much less room to individuality. With billions of men and women, it is unavoidable that there are plenty of men (and women) who, among each other, have very little in common.
Theoretically it is possible to adjust of course, but human minds are not that flexible usually, and if they believe in stereotypes about men and women that means all their perceptions are already viewed within that state of mind.

As I mentioned, I personally also think that consciously bracketing the men/women thing in order to talk about people, can help us relate to each other despite differences. In that case labeling something as a male or female issue would implicitly tell women and men respectively - this is an issue that doesn't have to do with you/that is exclusive to this other group. Where if you ideally want people to empathize regardless of whether or not they could become a victim of it, you want to stress the solidarity element and not the diversity.

Having said that, if you only stick to this line of thinking everything becomes dangerously fluid and relative. You want to be able to label circumcision in the west as a dominantly male issue, for example, without the obligatory "but it isn't like some women don't ALSO-". Especially because in cases where one group is dominantly the victim/perpetuator it can be very beneficial to look for reasons why this group stands out, and not immediately put it into perspective with other stats. "Everything is relative" does not exactly prompt towards action.

>>18408669
A big problem with stuff like
>how to court them
>what expect from relarionship
>how to not let marriage die
is that people do try to pass on information about this, but oftentimes it boils down to hollow cliches that you cannot really grasp or understand until you remember them after having lived the reality of it.

It is extremely easy to tell someone "hey, when you're married and aiming for lifelong commitment, pick your battles". Doesn't mean that they will magically realize that something isn't worth the energy once upset and in the heat of the moment.

>>18408670
That was bullshit scene. This exist even now. All ugly, fat, deformed, crippled, unwanted, poor people can go and hate themselves. But they dont because coping mechanisms. If anything, the husband needs psycholog. And with the robots and automation in the future, almost everybody will lose job. Stop being so dramatic. Dont you wish your baby to be healthy and perfect? Because i do. It doesnt deserve to be born ugly short bipolar stupid.

And viewing enhanced children as uber class is kind of true, but we have this already. And we still envy them.
>projecting
I bet you have things about your body you would change if given chance. Stupid, lazy, depressed, asymetrical boobs, hell even outie vs innie thread.
And having better baby would still had your dna mix. It just would be quaranteed to not contain various heritage things.

>>18408669
A man, actually
It's true that not every little thing needs a movement behind it, and that it could be solved as you propose. For all that teaching, schools don't teach you how to actually live. But there are things that a lecture about it won't really teach, like the more abstract, so to speak, questions you ask, that are more to be learned through experience, and that's okay, everyone has to make mistakes and learn from them

What you saywould be a decent start, more information can do wonders, truly

But there are things that I feel should be talked about more, like how fathers are fucked when it comes to keeping the children

>>18408683

>not to mention knowing how to pick said battles, or what that even means in their situation

>>18408677
I see. Having those guidelines about what a man and a woman are allow life in a society to be much easier to handle, more predictable, and puts an order to the chaos. Telling you how to act and what to expect is very useful, and also setting up what qualities are positive and negative. And it also helps accentuate people's differences, I feel

The problem comes when this frame becomes too comfortable and you end up avoiding having to leave its commodity and look outside of it. The problems come when, as you say, you let the binary be the only point of view, it's good for setting a base. But it must not be the whole building, just the fundation

I have a better hold of its usefulness, thanks for the refresher

Expand on the last paragraph, on how everything becomes too fluid and relative

>>18408683
It would certainly be better than disney movies and feminazis propaganda.

In old times we lived in small closed communities and as a child, you would copy what you saw. These days? You are closed off with other children, probably doing or being bullied and only your puberty is forcing you to behave like idiot.

Then around ~18 you are kicked out and free to do whatever you want. Combine it with shit parents and you are set for big failure. I was always very good student, but i missed some VERY CRUCIAL information until like age ~23.

If all girls and boys were told some basic structure on how to behave and where look for partners, we wouldnt need tinder. Even if the info was outdated, you would have a start.

>>18408735
>teach how to live
Maybe it would reduce number of /adv post about
>i am neet failed uni, what do i do?
that would be great start.

>fathers are fucked
Maybe i am still super naive, but i believe if you dont pick up mentally ill girl and behave like decent partner, you wont get into situation where your wife hates you so much she will use your children against you.

But then again, i am probably super naive in this regard. I believe it takes two to make super shit mariage.

Maybe if they were teached in class what to expect from marriage from early age, they would never marry the same person or did things differently.

>>18408728
>Dont you wish your baby to be healthy and perfect?
I do, but I still want them to be my kid and not some cocktail which will not even resemble his parents. I do believe that science can actually go to far and that progress isn't always good.

We're already to many. We don't need more perfect kids, but less retarded ones, meaning sterelization of people which should not reproduce.

Mind you I'm a biotechnician and perse in favour of gen editing.

>And viewing enhanced children as uber class is kind of true, but we have this already.
Sure, but those are created by a "lottery" and good genetics instead of money.

>I bet you have things about your body you would change if given chance.
Sure but none of them changes my genetics.

>It just would be quaranteed to not contain various heritage things.
That'S were it beginns, just like the anti-baby-pill was marketed in the beginning for mothers with to many children to feed instead of prostitutes which want the bonus shekels for going raw.

As I said, I don't think that it's something inherently bad, just not really needed. I dont see a reason why "low quality" humans should reproduce via gen editing and creat better humans only due to money. I'm usually not the kind of person going full natural fallacy but I do believe that identity politics with those powers might fuck us up badly. Just imagine a desease will arise and most of the humans die out become 200y from now we have exterminated a side-gen which would protect use but which also used to give us a higher chance of getting bad eye sight (have you ever watched Stargate? Asgardian reproduction?). scifi is only a way of looking on the future more sceptically.

>>18408763
Yeah, you certainly see a lot of OPs asking about how to pick up jobs and stuff like that. It shows that a lot of people grow up not knowing how to be an adult or what it even means

Of course, if you find and are a decent person, that shit won't happen to you and everything will be fine. Sure, it affects people that have bad luck or that have it coming, but the fact that there's a system that works like that concerns me

>>18408759
There's a tension between leaving room for individual truth, subjective interpretation, life being complexed, nuanced and contradicting itself - and maintaining a healthy sense of reality.

For example, history isn't undisputed. Any historical record provides a view not just influenced by what sources are available, but also what time period you live in and what the mainstream ideas of that time are, your own subjective reading influenced by personality and so on.

But if you fall into the other extreme by concluding that it's all relative and we can know nothing for certain, that paths the way for political leaders to twist history to serve whatever goal they focus on, and it makes trying to learn from history in any way useless. Basically, there needs to be a healthy middle ground between acknowledging facts that happened and acknowledging that interpretation and details are uncertain and open to interpretation.

For me it's the same with sex. Stick too much to binary and you're left with a rigid model that does not do justice to the complexities and richess of real life. Try to abandon it entirely, and trying to point attention to political issues mainly targeting a certain group effectively becomes impossible. It is also important for public perception: for example, a man should not be surprised if a girl who barely knows him takes precautions when they go out, because the stats recommend caution with strange men. If you only apply this on an inter-personal level, two individuals, you can get hugely offended about what she implies about your character, thus failing to see where she is coming from. And vice versa, in many cases. Relativity should not detract from legitimate difference. Ignoring difference or disproportionate phenomena is not doing justice to reality, either.

We should also not forgett that due to the feminzed childhood and aduldhood men and future fathers get told that women can do no wrong and shit butterflies so it's no surprise that so many men are to naive to see behind the pussy and make out bitches which would hurt them. Just read into the posts in r/mensrights they clearly show that those man simply didn't know that side of their partner and never knew what hit them.

While on the other side women get told that every men is a possible rapist and will cheat on them as soon as they get old, so they see men far more often as evil-doers from which they have to free themselves - and feminism certainly doesn't help.

So it's not really the fault of those people for not knowing their possible better half better before marrying.

>>18408771
>cocktail
I always imagined such baby as mix from mom and dad with minimum changes. So you wouldnt be able to pick everything from list, just to make sure the baby wont be worse than minimum criteria. So it wouldnt kill genome dispersity.

Also few decades back, most females fucked dude A and let dude B to take care of child. And you as dude B had no chance of knowing. This is much less cruel and deceptive. Like instead of kid being 50~100% your dna successor, you would have 49~99% (pardon me for ignorancy about sharing dna with your children).

>sterelization
Look whos talking. I want to give people option to have healthy babies and you want them to be sterilized.

>low quality people
Because we are humane and givibg their kids chance at being top quality is fair.

>disease
Even black death killed around ~60%? And with proper laws you would have still rich genome.

>>18408804
See, another example as to why teaching kids about life at school would be benefical. To tell them what all can go wrong.

>>18408790
Aha, the idea is to know that things are affected by relativity, whether we want to or not, but that also the "thing" itself exists, even if just on a fundamental level, and it's not just a fabrication of that relativity
Knowledge is possible even if the details might not be the most trustworthy

Is objectivity possible on some level, though? And is maintaining a balance between things ever not the right answer?

>>18408817
>Look whos talking. I want to give people option to have healthy babies and you want them to be sterilized.
Na, I want a educated society which will themself chose to not procreate if certain criteria are not meet. Mind you I would count myself in there due to genetic defects which should not be given to another kid.

This would result in less but better kids, resulting in a better society.

>Because we are humane and givibg their kids chance at being top quality is fair.
No, I don't think that everyone has a right to children and even less so for perfect ones. But that's just my view based on different political and ideological (although secular) positions.

>Even black death killed around ~60%? And with proper laws you would have still rich genome.
It only killed so "few" due to low mobility (that's also why poland has gotten away so easily (low population sensity). Imagine something like the north-european resistance to HIV (which is assumed to be a residue of the black plague) but with something that isn't sexually spread but in more fatal form. Human biodiversity is crucial for our survival. Humans already have gone through a massive bottleneck (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory) and we certainy would have not survived if we would have been all perfectly the same (exaggerated). Our flaws and small upgrades are crucial for evolution and we would be silly to think that we already know better than evolution itself how to select.

>See, another example as to why teaching kids about life at school would be benefical. To tell them what all can go wrong.
Nah, that's the part of their parents. We REALLY don't need the state to have even more part in indoctrinating kids in his favour. We need intact families not more state power 1984style.

>>18408853
>intact families
Just look at this shit, exactly what am i talking about

>>18408520
And later
>All my friends are nerdy girls who are commuters, like me. We don't exactly go to a lot of parties. I wish I had been able to live on campus, because it seems so much easier to meet people like that.

Do you honestly not see how crucial knowledge all teens are missing now?
>inb4 google
I have found out that i am minority in terms of ability to search information on google. We kids can play games, have facebook allvday every day, but how to bf/gf and the missing norms are pain in the ass.

>educated society
The more educated and rich you are, the less kids you have. Atm we are heading towards black undereducated underpeeforming mass.

>count myself out
What if your dna fail will gran your choldren immunity to the illnes you described? What if only dumb people will be able to survive brain infection? You sort of countered your own argument.

>not everyone has right to have perfect children
That is very sad view on world.

>>18408869
>The more educated and rich you are, the less kids you have. Atm we are heading towards black undereducated underpeeforming mass.
Well, this mass only exists due to welfar. Redistribution from the wealthy which have to remain childless even more to the human trash popping one after another thanks to gibsmedats.

That's disgenics and the first step before we even think about gen editing.

>What if only dumb people will be able to survive brain infection?
Stupidity is relative. The higher your IQ the more likely you are to kill yourself and it also doesn't make you happy to see the world for what it is, so maybe are more dumb society would actually be better off and without the more intelligent they themself will select for the most adaptable (IQ is only that). The germans have a proverb: among the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

>That is very sad view on world.
I'm a social darwinist, I don't believe in human rights to have something but only to be not made to do something. Freedom from and not Right to.

>>18408887
>welfare
Without welfare you will have masses killing people on streets, reinventing comunism, crime and civil war.

Your best bet is gradual change. And giving dumb people (who you would sterilize) clever nice children is gradual and if nothing else, will improve statistic about low class.

Sterilizing people against their will would do civil war in no time. Like i am very lazy but the moment gov told me i will be sterilized, i would start my uprising the same day. I would rather die as suicide bomber in the same room with politician who enabled such monstrosity than give up having children.

>>18408887
>>18408869
>>18408853
>>18408850
>>18408817

Oral sex, the thread.

>>18408918
What are you going to do? Report the thread to nonexistant mods? And for what?

For having topic which is above your average
>how do i suicide?

God i hate it when some obnoxious janitor
>who does it for free
decideds that his moral compass is greater than some subject and deletes it all.

Have a nice day!

>>18408911
>Without welfare you will have masses killing people on streets, reinventing comunism, crime and civil war.
I'm not speaking about letting them all starve to death but something like soup kitchens and beds for people which have fallen on hard times, not hundreds of dollars to buy shit they don't need and making it nice enought to not feeling the need to work.

It would also pressure people to bond harder with their family, which I also see as a reason why we today don't really give a fuck about people unless in previous times - we don't need people anymore thanks due to the state.

>And giving dumb people (who you would sterilize) clever nice children is gradual and if nothing else, will improve statistic about low class

Waste of money and time if those retarded prents will drink and smoke and beat their children back into IQ85. Simply cutting people which are to retarded to work from gibsmedats would make them think twice to have children - and if they get children and show themselves to not be able to care for them I would actually think about forced sterilisation - at least for a period of time and reversible.

>I would rather die as suicide bomber in the same room with politician who enabled such monstrosity than give up having children.
Well, you're placing your own wellbeing above that of society which is understandable but not the west the west has become great. Personal sacrifice will always be needed for that.

It's only a question of education to make clear to people that at certain criteria they should not reproduce. I am certain even blacks would be able to grasp that.

But as I said, cutting out the gibs will make forced sterilisations nearly not needed at all and would even than only be used on asocial individuals.

>>18406638

>first girlfriends were fat (5'4-5'7, 200lbs+) and oral was never a big thing for me, it was like a chore when I had to do it. But recently, I've been hooking up with skinnier girls, and now I can barely get hard without going down on them. I realize the cuckiness, but think about it this way. You still kiss those girls, right? Where's the second most common place for a dick to go besides the vagina? And, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of women have had more semen in their mouth/face than in their vagina.

Also, I'm not even a big fan of receiving oral. Always with too much teeth, every time. And they never know how much pressure to put. Anyway, if you don't want to give it, just don't expect her to give it. Not a hard concept.

>>18408952
>personal sacrifice
If going to school, educating yourself and then spending 50 years in job isnt sacrifice enough, then i am not sure if i want to be part of such system at all.

>cutting from gibsmedats
>think twice
The definition of these people is that they NEVER think. It will just increase crime rate and fill prisons faster (presuming the police will be enough). It is vicious cycle. Shit parents, shit surrounding, shit children, bad decisions, shit parents.

You need to break the cycle somehow. I want gradual change targeted at their kids, offering them better life. You want to deny them ability to feed so many children or even right to procreate.

Your suggestion just leads to bigger misery for low class. Children are the future. They are the key.

You want them to stop existing for low class, i want them improved. And lets be honest, in demicratic process people would vote for me, not you. Simply because low class is always majority :-)

>>18406691

If this were remotely true you wouldn't want to join hookup culture, since the odds of you leading a happy life after your 30's decrease significantly after you're done.

Can confirm, am 23m, joined hookup 'culture' and really wish I hadn't.

>>18408996
>If going to school, educating yourself and then spending 50 years in job isnt sacrifice enough, then i am not sure if i want to be part of such system at all.
Well, you don't have to.

>It will just increase crime rate and fill prisons faster.
Well, I am also in favour of gladiators. :^)

>You want them to stop existing for low class, i want them improved.
Which is the same. In both cases they will cease to be the lower class. Your solution will lead to more people we don't need, my to less but even better people.

>And lets be honest, in demicratic process people would vote for me, not you.
I'm not in favour of democracy, as the demos seldom is educated enough to know what will be long-term for his best. Expertocracy all the way. Don't forgett, people also vote for socialists. It's no measure of being right. The true most often isn't comfortable.

But I guess his discussion is a bit off topic at this point, but nonetheless thanks for your views.

>>18406638
would you by any chance be interested in an agreement of some kind

i want to be locked in a chastity belt and forced to be a couple's oral slave, i can eat her out for you after you fuck her. i'd even suck you off if you wanted

please respond

>>18409022
>dont have to
I sort of have to. But i dont mind. The compensation for that is pretty comfy modern life. But really telling people to not have kids, when it is basically only reason hardcoded in your dna to even bother not suiciding is hard pill to swallow.

>more people we dont need
But we do. As everybody bud low class gets lazy even in breeding, we sort of need them.

>not wanting democracy
>rule or goverment of experts
Good luck finding the experts. Buy yea, not everybody should be allowed to have vote power in everything. Still it sort of spirales back to king and peasants not even allowed to breed this time. Not sure if i like that.

>off topic
Not really. It is about allowing innies or outies to be genetically modified or denied to have children based on better future.

>>18409052
>But really telling people to not have kids, when it is basically only reason hardcoded in your dna to even bother not suiciding is hard pill to swallow.
Not really. Humans have lived in societies of their own blood so to sacrifice for your community is the second best after getting your own genes on, as the community of your blood will have better chances of survival. But that is only another reason for ethnonationalism.

So such an sacrifice would not be unusual and works quite well in ethnostaates like poland or japan.

>But we do.
No, due to technical progress which will lead nearly all people without work. We dond't need nearly 8 billiob people and even more. Most of those people are already today useless. You could beam africa and china out of space and the human race and the planet would be better off, so making it possible that Mutumbo and Chink Chank Chonk can get al their 16 kids to life to aduldhood will certainly not make anybodies lifes better. It's the good intentions and road to hell.

>Still it sort of spirales back to king and peasants not even allowed to breed this time. Not sure if i like that.
Well, I do think that this is just human nature and even with "democracy" we have elites making up rules on the go more or less ignoring the voters. Your vote is nothing more than opium so you won't go apeshit. It's giving you an illusion of power.

> It is about allowing innies or outies to be genetically modified or denied to have children based on better future.
Imagein a world with only innie-Übermenschen.

>>18409091
>opium so you wont go apeshit
>illusion of power
I dont have illusion of power. As i told you, i like current system i live in. I dont need or want much. I am content.

And again, the future is in gradual change. Without war, launching china to orbit or sterilizing people. Peaceful gradual change. Only madman /pol/tier memeist wants instant change. I dont want others to suffer.

And i dread to think you want otherwise.

>>18409122
>And again, the future is in gradual change.
That would also be the way in my model. Everything else would indeed be illusional.

I don't understand what happened to this thread.

>>18408136
>After all, sex is faintly ludicrous if you think about it.
as some French author put it, rubbing membranes together.

>>18409524
/pol/ and MGTOW happened

>>18406638

keep us up to speed on your entryism into hooking-up culture and pussy-eating progress, OP!

>>18410195
I dont think theres going to be progress with pussy eating

>>18407489
Depends on a lot of factors, but every place is different. Even in some places in America you can dick a 16 year old, as long as the age difference is only between two years.

>>18406638
Simple. you just have to refuse both types of oral.
Give and take.

>>18410433
unlikely. most women (inb4 no experience) seem to be more comfortable giving bjs than receiving sloppy head. could be just societal expectations too tho'.

>>18410433
No straight male is going to refuse to have his dick sucked