Continuing University

Philosophy? Try to find a job you would like to have and see what it takes to get there. Or at least get a good paying job !!!!

>>18352886
I just don't know what i'd enjoy doing. I do genuinely enjoy the subject matter but it doesn't directly translate over into any particular job.

>>18352896
Have you thought about being a professor anon? I'm an Islamic studies major and am aiming to be a professor. For a lot of majors like philosophy, you can go straight into a Doctorate program without a Masters, as long as your GPA in major is good and you have some papers under your belt. Plus, Doctorate programs ae paid in full, with some extra if you work as a TA while you're there. Also, perhaps look at double majoring as a backup plan? If that hope fails, at least you can stay out of working a wagecuck job.

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>philosophy.
You'll probably need this anon. See you at the job center

>>18352843

Not necessarily. If you love philosophy and do well in your classes I would recommend either of the following.

Law school. Philosophy is statistically shown to be the best major to prepare you for the LSAT. There are many, many, many fields of law and it's not anything like you see in most dramas. Do some job shadowing and exploring.


Grad school for philosophy so your MA and PhD. This would lead you into the academia route. The downside is that it may mean moving to another city or even country. You need to go where the work is.

Medical school. In order to do this you will likely need to take the proper science pre requisites in conjunction with your philosophy courses/electives. If you maintain a high GPA and score well on the MCAT you could have a career in medicine as medical schools in the USA and Canada as well as UK/Ireland/NZ/Aus don't really care about the type of degree you have.

>>18352982

So OP just to reiterate. Be prepared for the long haul. If you have no willpower or ambition to pursue a degree beyond a bachelor's, switch out of philosophy unless you are ok with working regular (most likely minimum wage) jobs. You have 7-8 years old schooling ahead of you.

>>18352843
Probably is a mistake.
I dropped out of my program when i realised it was going nowhere.

I can tell you honestly though the fact i even went to university is on my resume (and it is written clearly i didnt finish) does come up with much positive interest at job interviews.

In poker a good gambler knows if he cant win to not chase the pot based on what hes already put in.

You have a million and a half good options outside of university and without the degree. You just dont know about them. Keep your ear to the ground.

>>18352982
Hey thanks for the advice. These are mostly things i have and am still, to some degree, considering pursuing albeit not without a modicum of hesitation.

I have ruled out pursuing a career in academia. Law school is the most "attractive" of all the routes conventionally taken by philosophy majors for 2 reasons:
1. The skills you pick up in philosophy translate well into law.
2. My father is an attorney so not only do i have a connection, but i have a point of reference as to what the job entails.

As much as my ego tells me not to follow in my dads footsteps, as i said before, I have no idea what I really want to do careerwise but I know i do not want to work retail and or for grocers. So i figure, why not finish my philosophy degree and then see how I do on the LSAT and whatnot? At this point, I'm not sure what I have left to lose other than potential earnings doing something more immediate.

I should mention, I have only 2 years needed before getting my bachelors.

>>18352991
Were you a philosophy major was well? If so, what alternate route did you end up taking? What kinds of jobs were you able to procure? etc. etc.

>>18353022

Dude, you are set then. The hardest part about law is honestly getting yourself "established" and making those connections. But if your father is a lawyer you will probably have no issues. You can prepare for the LSAT now write it in the next few months and start applying to law schools before you are even finished your degree. I live in Canada and many law schools here will consider 3rd year applicants. I am almost certain it's the same in some schools in the US but I would double check anyway. Law can be a rewarding career. You just need to figure out what field suits you. Best of luck.

>>18353027
Thanks for your words of advice and taking genuine interest in my post as that doesn't happen too often in my experience. I appreciate it very much and I wish the best of luck to you in your future endeavors, whatever they may be, anon.

>>18353023
I wasn't. I was a political science major. The job market after is saturated and my only hope was a master's degree which i definitely couldnt afford.

I travelled a lot (for work) and worked a lot of different jobs after. I had sort of a business management position (too much to explain in detail. It was an extermination company. It paid well and i was hired basically because of unrelated uni education that wasnt complete to drive home youre already good.) where i basically ran the entire business like a franchise in a large zone of the city. Sales, customer service, pricing, negotiation of contracts, and the actual service itself all by myself.

It was stressful and hard af. One of my co workers an hero'd with a bullet to the head.

Now im a carpenter. Im being paid 30 an hour, getting 38 an hour next year, and i can truly say this is the best job i ever had. Its fun, challenging, my coworkers are amazing people, and i get paid well.

Im also taking all i learned from the pest control business and im doing entrepreneurship on the side. Got a few business startups that are promising but sorry, no results yet.


Ill also mention before i started trades, it was an option between that, and i had an offer to be sent to school (paid 15 an hour in class) to be an aircraft mechanic. 30 dollars an hour on completion.


Those were the options and outlets i ended up finding. There are a million more i dont even know about. Thats kind of the point here.

Theres an opportunity and a right choice for you that does not involve completing your degree. You just dont know about it right now.

Which is why i finished that post with: get your ear to the ground.

>>18353030

Cheers, I appreciate it. I need all the luck I can get honestly. Take care.

>>18353033
Wow, what a story! Let me ask you, how did you get into the trades? You didn't just walk into carpentry, did you? I presume that you must have gone back to school to learn that particular trade, yes?

And i appreciate the sentiment you left me with in your previous post. It's much appreciated.

Law school is only worth it if you can get into a top law school, which requires high LSAT and grades.

There are other majors that open a lot more careers doors. CS, math, economics, a useful but boring business degree like accounting or finance. Consider majoring or at least minoring in one of them.

With a major like philosophy, it's important to seek out good summer internships (obviously not as a philosopher.) You can start off trying to work in a law office if that is what you want to pursue.

>>18353050
Crazy thing is the story is much longer. My life is weird.

I knew a guy who got me into a concrete formwork course that ran 2 months and ended up with admittance into the union.

Everyone else in my class just walked in and applied, and some people get admitted as a first year without any classes so not like i got much of a leg up.

Im technically a college student right now even though i work full time. There are more classes to take (6 more months of school approx. Broken into 2 month terms) before i can upgrade my level any further and become journeyman.

But man as of may 1st i had already made 40k this year because i landed a pretty sweet contract far from home and got paid travel and loa equalling 900 dollars a week tax free on top of my hours worked, so time off for school will not be a big deal at all.


Id also recommend going to the library and taking out books on entrepreneurialship and home business. Because to reiterate "you just dont know about it." creating your own job is actually easy a fucking christ, and lucrative because all revenue is yours. Not what a boss decides you deserve. But im getting ahead of myself because confident as I am, i have no results to show yet.

Some dont even require startup cost.

Good luck pal.

>>18353061
I agree with you on the importance of seeking out internships, which is exactly what I plan on doing. I think i may even look into minoring in something "practical". I will say that when I first started University, I was an Economics major and despised it so thats a no-go zone for me.

Thanks for the advice and interest in my post.

>>18353061

The statement about law school is not true. Even if you get into a mid tier law school, since OP already has connections through his father he can probably find a job articling and making about 50-70k easily straight out of law school. Eventually with years of experience, think 5-7 years of working at a mid sized law firm, making 100k+ is a very realistic goal.

If you want to be pulling mid-high six figures doing corporate law or something, then yes, top grades and top schools are probably important but being a successful lawyer after going to a mid tier law school is very doable, especially if you have family connections already

>>18353062
Very interesting. I will definitely look into all of this. Your posts are actually pretty relevant as I myself have also considered pursuing a career in the trades but I have no real point of reference with regards to them. I have no idea whether or not I would fit well into such careers. The prospect of doing more physically engaging work is attractive but say I was to drop out of University and begin pursuing a career in the trades, I would feel as though I'm closing a door on my potential to succeed, even against the odds. I could always go to trade school afterwards and I guess I'd have the added benefit of also having a Bachelors Degree.

Thats the way I see it at least.

>>18353081
>not who you replied to

Man, OP. I cant help but notice your manners throughout this thread. You seem like an unbelievably pleasant person. All advice ive given you aside (im the poli sci guy), i think youll be fine. I can read you have the charisma to excel at anything. Its very important.

>>18353093
I guess we have different standards of success. $70K after 3 years of racking up $150K in debt does not strike me as a great deal. There are plenty of people making that straight out of undergrad.

>>18353093
I agree with your post. My father is a civil litigation attorney with an emphasis on employment law and didn't go to a top tier school. I will say, however, that he of course went to school at a time when the market for lawyers wasn't saturated and jobs were plentiful. That being said, he now runs his own practice and although we aren't swimming in pools of money, my father does more than well for himself and in effect, our family.

>>18353096
>fitting in

Tradesmen are not true to construction stereotypes. Theyre regular people, a lot of them are very intelligent, and some are very well educated, but ran out of options like you and I.

The only stereotype thats true is bullying. They mean it in good humour, and everyones a target, but its a tough world. Only time since highschool where any little flaw you have is going to be brought out front and center and youll be ridiculed.

But like i said. Its in good fun, everyone gets chewed up, and frankly its hilarious.

Just its not for you if youre sensitive or self conscious. Theyll get ya.

1St years are terrible at their jobs, so they get it the worst. Once they let me do some work as a first year and they watched and i got nervous. Im a scaffolder specifically and there is a required fluidity of movement i didnt have yet.

I got called "retards on ice" for a while after that..

>>18353108

>Debt

You are assuming OP will have debt. If his dad is already a well established lawyers, odds are he is going to graduate without any debt. I am >>18352982 and I am pursuing medical school. I will graduate with no debt luckily because my dad, being the hard working man that he is set aside six figures specifically for my education and nothing else. That being said if you are in your 20's 70k straight out of law school as a single guy is great. That is more than triple the minimum wage in my country and it will increase.

>>18353100
Thanks so much for your kind words and sharing your story! They're much appreciated as is your advice.

>>18353113

Definitely. The market for lawyers is not what is used to be especially in the US, but since you already have family in the field, you are at a major advantage.

>>18353124
Good luck. Youll do great whatever you choose.

>>18353121
Oh, if only this were the case. I'm betting on doing well not only in the two years I have left in school but also on the LSAT as my way of not having to incur so much debt.

>>18353119
Haha sounds like a good bunch of people.

>>18353143
They truly are. No sarcasm.

>>18352843
There are two reasons for going to university:
1. To get a good job
2. To learn stuff because that's fun.

The second sometimes gets lost in people's thinking about uni, but it is totally valid.

Meanwhile, while you might not get a job because of your knowledge of Plato and Spinoza, the skills you picked up while studying are very transferable to a business or professional world.

You can almost certainly read and absorb difficult material better than 99% of the population, and write better than 95% (allowing for the English majors) and apply broad concepts to specific situations, and see the broad implications of seemingly small decisions, and work independently, and compare and contrast effectively, and so on and so on.

So chances are you will be no less employable than most classmates in "useful" majors.

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>>18352843
>majoring in philosophy

pic related

>>18353802
The problem with a philosophy major isn't that the skills aren't transferable or that this lack of transferred skills make OP unemployable. The problem here is that companies just don't employ philosophy majors, because they don't give a shit if you're smart and thoughtful and can see the 'bigger picture'; your employers want you to make them MONEY. Unless you've somehow proven yourself already with professional experience, then the employers are more likely to hire someone who studied something that's more 'real-world' like finance or engineering. Maybe if we were 60 years earlier than OP might be able to walk into any job as long as he has college education (e.g. George Soros) but sadly unless you go to an Ivy it's kind of important that you have a specialised degree.

>t. economics major who wants to study literature

You can major in humanities if you're a natural genius at salesmanship. Otherwise, you cannot major in humanities and expect to get away with it.