do all guys actually want a gf with an "ideal" body?

>>18345092
all guys aren't the same. Similar to how some females like men that are skinny and others don't the same preference for variety applies to males. If you feel that you want to lose the weight go ahead, it's your body. I would never stop my gf from changing her body, I would just break up with her.

>>18345092
Nah, guys don't give a shit imo unless he's some super high status guy who wants you as a trophy wife. Just be relatively in shape, with a decent form, and you'll be okay.

I know and I understand this but yet I want to look out of most guys' leagues so I am working on my fitness and losing weight. If you don't want to pursue this then don't worry about "perfection" or "ideal".

Ultimately you want to be the ideal version of YOU.

and yes, ofc i know that it's "my body" and whatnot. but there are only two people in this world who's opinion on my looks actually matter, me and my bf's. so i do think that it is necessary that i consider his stance on this and not just do "whatever i want". i could be ok with my body the way it is, too. but my fitness is horrible and it also sucks to go clothes shopping because everything is too tight or too revealing. and i can't find cute underwear that isn't horribly expensive. it would make my life a bit easier to be skinnier. but i could also survive staying at my current weight without hating myself.

>>18345098
i don't think this would be a reason for gim to break up. but he was always attracted to me, even at my heaviest. i don't want him to lose that. i like feeling desired by him.

Why are you losing weight? For health or to look better for him? If the former, you should ignore his preferences, if the latter you should have a conversation with him.

>>18345107
im in the same position i dont know how big you were but my bmi was 30.1 and now its 25 and still shrinking. i have yet to see my bfs' reaction but it will be 21-22 range when i see him. we just have to hope

>>18345105
well, i'd rather be with someone who's not with me only to "show me off". this is more an issue with myself. i'd love to be more adventurous with the way i dress, but it just looks ridiculous when you're fat. and tacky. that bothers me. the rest, not so much.

Have you considered your BF is just a beta who would compliment you just to make you feel good about yourself rather than encouraging you to get to a healthier weight?. Not everyone is 100% honest about their feelings.

>>18345114
i've always been chubby. i guess i just want to know how it feels like to be skinny. and how it would look like on me. i'd also want to experience how it's like to be able to wear whatever you want instead of "inside the limitations of your fat rolls". ofc i can be fat and still wear whatever i want, but that's just ridiculous and we all know it. those fat girls in crop tops are simply a joke.

>>18345117
my highest bmi was 30 too. i'm at 27 now. ugh, he won't see you till then? well, he's in for a surprise... good luck to you.

>>18345128
yeah, i have. that's why i made this thread.

>>18345112
I wasn't saying he would leave you. I was just saying what I would do in a somewhat similar situation. He could be sincere when he says you are the most beautiful thing to him. It seems your insecurities may be making you doubt him. Like I said if you want to lose the weight go for it but there are certain consequences, good and bad, that come with it.

>>18345129
Since you are doing this for yourself, I recommend continuing regardless of your BF's preference. The 'one' will allow you to lose weight healthily and experience what you want. (The same is not necessarily true if you were trying to gain weight - the 'one' may want you to remain at a healthy weight because he cares about your health). Even so, I would talk to your BF about your intentions to give him the ability to respond and prepare himself mentally.

>>18345140
that's true. but that's exactly it. i mean, would you tell a girl that if she changed her body you would leave her? i don't think my bf would tell me, even if i changed into something that's really not his type. i don't think he would leave, but mabye "suffer" in silence. and i don't want to risk that...

>>18345092
I love women with that kind of slight chubbiness. My girlfriend is a little self-conscious about her weight, so she's extremely flattered when I tell her that I genuinely think she looks like a statue of Venus from Ancient Rome and it gets me sprung. I would put it like this: almost every guy would be ok with the "ideal" body, but many are also happy or even happier with a bit of fluff.

However, if you want to lose weight, it's your decision, and I think 99/100 people would think it selfish of him to be angry with you for improving your health.

It's considerate of you to think of your BF though. You need to tell him "I am going to lose weight unless you overwhelmingly prefer me looking like this. You don't have to lie to make me feel good about my body image - this is so that I can make a choice with your desires taken into account so I need truthful information."

>>18345143
>>18345143
thanks, that's good advice.
i've talked to him about it, but he always quickly "shuts it down" with "i don't think you need to change anything on your body". well yeah, but that's not what i asked him. i asked him about his opinion on me CHANGING something.
yeah, he can be a bit hard to get to sometimes.
ha also stated several times that he would think i'm stunningly beautiful, no matter what happens to my body. he said he would still feel the same about me, even if i got very fat or grew old and saggy. so that might just be true, because i feel the same about him. i do think he looks very hot. but if he somehow got skinnier or fatter or whatever, i wouldn't really mind.

>>18345148
You need to talk with him and have an open and honest discussion about it. It is nice you are taking his desire into consideration but if he fails to speak up how the fuck are you suppose to know?

If I was with a girl and she started gaining weight I would be open with her and tell her what I think. If she didn't care for my opinion it would be fine. I'm not going to force her to stay at a certain body weight but she can't expect me to stay. We can't really resolve this because only your bf's reaction will have a real impact.

>>18345152
glad to hear this from someone with your viewpoint.
i'll tell him that and see what he answers.
i mean, i'm not that unhealthy yet. appart from my overweight, i have a somewhat healthy lifestyle. i just eat too much and don't really do regular exercise (i walk and stand all day at my job and do some active stuff in my free time, but i don't go to the gym or run regularily or so). but i'm not stuffing my face with fast food, soda and alcohol. i'm more worried about long term issues, since i know that even slight overweight is not beneficial.

>>18345169
very true. guess i just habe to talk to him until he can genuinely convince me that he's being honest about it.
thanks for the adv, anon.

>>18345183
nononononono you misunderstood. It isn't his job to convince you that he is being genuine. Think of it like this what if he wanted to gain 20 pounds of muscle and you were fine with the way he looked. It isn't your job to make him think you were being genuine when you were giving your honest advice. Stop letting your insecurity create doubt in the relationship. Take his words at face value unless he gives you reason to doubt, which it doesn't seem he has.

>>18345185
well, i might have worded that wrong.
i don't need him to bend over backwards to convince me. but he needs to tell me in a way that doesn't spund like a generic answer he thinks i want to hear. he has a track record at not being genuinely honest with his opinions because he is affraid of telling people the truth to their face. that's why i'm in doubt. otherwise i would take his words at face value, sure.

i haven't really talked to him indepth about it and told him about my doubts, so i will do that first and see how he responds. maybe his answer will be different when he sees that i am really interested in his honest opinion and not just have him tell me what he thinks i "want to hear".

>>18345092
I know I'm not your bf but the body type in that pic is literally the ideal body type for me personally. Very curvaceous but not obese. A lot of guys are into that so chances are your bf likes it too.

>>18345092
>pic is somewhat the level of fat we're talking.- 21 posts shown.
shut up lol
if you're anywhere near that hot I'd berry my dick so deep in you hmmm

>>18345197
i know that more guys than one would think on average are into girls that are chubby. that's why i genuinely think that my bf could be honest and wouldn't welcome me getting really skinny.

>>18345206
it's pretty accurate. i know my bf likes the way i look. i just can't decide if he loves LOVES it or loves it but a bit less would be nice too.

>>18345216
do you have any pics?
doesn't need to be naked.
Actually a bit less would be nice, too. You'd still be thicc and your stomach would look less gross in missionary position, trust me on this :) missionary is the most unflattering position for this body type.

>>18345225
not sure if posting a pic would actually help the discussion.
meh, he has seen me in every position. i know my stomach doesn't look very flattering, but i know that if i lost weight, it would first go from my boobs and ass (experience has shown this to be true in my case), which would be a shame. then i would just have a fat belly and no ass/boobs. THAT would be unflattering.

>>18345231
Oh god, me, too. I feel the pain.

Guys have a variety of tastes. What women consider the "ideal" body is usually wayy thinner than what guys consider the "ideal" body.

>>18345241
kek. life's just not fair. idk why the fat on my belly is so much more persistent than the fat in my tights/ass/boobs. they just melt off of me like butter and the god damn belly stays where it is unless i loose REALLY much weight. my solution to this is waist training. but i'd raher have my body do what i want just because. yeah, i know that's silly

>>18345092
People have lots of different tastes. My 'ideal' girl is not only thicc but slightly overweight. If you really look like the OP pic I wood berry so fucking hard, she's basically the ideal size/shape, including the tummy

in other words its certainly possible he really loves you the way you are right now. The real question is whether he has a history of bending the truth to avoid upsetting you

>>18345269
>my solution to this is waist training.
focused fat-burning is a myth.
do weight-lifting with a proper diet. where and how fast the fat goes away is not under your control, sorry.

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>>18345272
i'm painfully aware. by waist training is wearing a corset. see pic related. it might sound silly, but it's really helpfull with distributing the fat where you want it if you want to get a flatter stomach and a nice hourglass figure without giving away your boobs and ass.

>>18345279
>wearing a corset. see pic related. it might sound silly, but it's really helpfull with distributing the fat where you want it

you are being scammed lol

>>18345279
pretty sure it's just changing the shape of the muscles underneath. Also that girl is posed really differently

>>18345092
Your boobs, ass and hips will gez smaller with losing fat. But not that much as you think.

Your bf already likes you as you are. Chances he will like you even more are high as you will slim down.

He tells you he likes you because he knows how insecure girls can get about their bodies.

Also dont fall for weigth meme alone. You can also try to gain bigger ass and thights by gaininf muscles. Squat and adopt swimming for optimal body.

I cant imagine gzy who would break up with his gf because she got slim. That is plus no matter what.

Time to hit the gym and force your bf to go with you. With muscles he will get more horny and sex is fun for both parties.
>>>/fit/ read sticky and good luck!
Dont go below 20bmi.

>>18345302
>Dont go below 20bmi.
Why not? I'd understand bf%, but why not for bmi? Personally I like it when girls are in the bmi range of 17-19.

>>18345308
Because after certain point your body goes like this:
Do i keep bothering with hormones, libido, periods, good mood, feeling energized, nice hair and self regeneration? Nah, lets put all energy into preserving the little fat we have left and screw other not so important body functions.

You should be able to go one day without food without fainting. Fats are very important for body to work properly. Going very low bmi probably means you have no muscles at all and having low fat will hit you in the long run.

Dont be retarded and keep your body in good condition. And if you thing body builders who have all muscles and like 7% body fat are healthy, you are in for big surprise.

Tldr aim for average and ask your doctor if uncertain.

>>18345355
wait, is this why anorexic girls lose hair?

>>18345380
any why they don't get menstruations anymore... it's really not healthy to be too thin.

>>18345355
>>18345380
>>18345386
this must be why girls are hitting puberty so much earlier now

>>18345389
ofc. fat changes your hormonal balance immensely. fat kids become teenagers way earlier. same as with obese people who are infertile or fat women who have menstruation issues. if you ever read into infertility issues, the first and most inpoetant advice for both genders is to get into a healthy bmi range. all the treatment will be a waste of time if your bodyfat fucks you up hormonally.

>>18345389
The lowering age of first menstruation is still a bit mistery. But possible factors are
>growth hormones in meat
(Probably the same reason the average height is rising up)
>estrogen hormones in water
(Flushed pills in toilet + pee from woman on hormonal birth control)
>very very high quality of cheap food
>female like chemicals from all plastic things you touch and breathe
(Plastic water bottles and shampoos)

Basically girls are hitting periods at age ~10 now. Before it was like 14~15?

And nobody is even sure if this development is good or bad. Probably has someting common with decreasing testosterone levels in males. Welcome in century of traps and twink boys :-)

And remember, girl has to have wide hips to push out healthy baby without a risk. Being below ~20 bmi is almost always a bad choice. The media are pushing bordeline anorectic girls as definition of beauty.

>>18345403
Hey, I'm an 18 year old male. About 5'11", coming from a mother who is 5'2" and a 5'6" father.

I was always chubby growing up, and fed with nutritious food (maybe overfed at times). I hit puberty at 13 years old. Do you think that has anything to do with my growth?

>>18345411
see>>18345409

hormones are extrmeley powerfull and they don't just dissapear. that birth controle shit is sadly very true. same with bpa. that's not conspiracy theory. why do you think there are a decreasing amount of guys into traps? they are consuming female hormones every day. that alters their biological response to primary sexual characteristics. they do still have higher test than female born people, but not enough and too much female hormones to not also be attracted to male sexual characteristics.

>>18345423
*increasing...

>>18345423
forgot to add that hormones consumed trough food/drinks is being stored in your body fat. that's why being fat/chubby has such a hige impact on your hormonal balance.

>>18345411
eating a lot of (cheap) meat is robably to be blamed too. it's common to make animals grow as fast as possible with the help of hormones. it drasically decreases the cost of producing meat if they grow faster. that's why you should pay attention to which kind of meat you eat and how much. cheap burger patties and chicken nuggets are definitely not on that list.

My girlfriend says she liked me better when I was fat, but really it's because she didn't want to try to lose weight with me and was afraid I could do better.

No, not everyone likes an "ideal" body, but what's more likely I think is that it's a crab bucket.

>>18345409
>Welcome in century of traps and twink boys :-)
BEST POSSIBLE TIMELINE

>>18346046
T. Boy who drank too much water from plastic bottles.

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This whole ''You looked better when fatass'' is bullshit from both gender. They're scared that you'll be able to pull big fish.

t.guy who had a gf that sabotaged him

Do what you want it's your body.

Just don't be surprised if his attraction for you dwindles

>>18345092
Dont worry about the ideal body. Focus on your personal health. It is far better for you to have less weight on your skeletal frame.

OP, there's been a lot of supporters in here so I guess I'm going to take the opposite stance here... I definitely want a girl with an "ideal" body, or at least thin. Now, every guy has his preferences, and there's some guys that like larger girls or whatever, but there's also a contingent like me that just isn't going to be aroused or attracted to someone overweight.

It probably has to do with my relationship with food though - I absolutely have some weird uncomfortability with watching people eat a lot.

Anyways, you should do what is best for your health, but also sit down with your boyfriend and explain why you're doing it. As someone mentioned, he might just be telling you that you're perfect when really he's uncomfortable telling you how he really feels.

>>18345092
>>18345112
Maybe, just maybe, he's more interested in you as a person than your body. Just a thought. Not all guys are shallow pricks who are only interested in the physical parts of a relationship.

>>18346442
i know he is. that doesn't mean it's not important to me that he's attracted to my body.

>>18345092
I don't have a good body shape so i if I find a gal like that interested, good, but my porn history says I like allot of body types, so....

>>18345092
Fat guy here. Maybe not ideal but not fat like me. Nobody likes fatties. This is why I don't blame women for not finding me attractive because I'm fucking disgusting. Good for you for losing weight, though. Now, go dump your boyfriend and go fuck someone much hotter than him.

>>18345098
Your post is only half true. There are some men who prefer chubby/fat women, but there is no such thing as a woman who is into chubby/fat men.

>>18346091
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I'll give you the best possible answer. You're not going to get the truth out of him. You need to look at his mother and past girlfriends to find out what he actually likes. If all of his past ones were chubby and his mom was chubby while he was growing up, that's what he likes.

>>18347758

False. My mother was fat as fuck. I do like long hair (which she had) but hair is also a sign of health - look at Victoria's Secret Models etc.

Best answer is all guys want a girl with -their- idea of an ideal body.

If he says he's happy, don't worry about it. Fuck him if he can't be honest. Work on yourself to where you want to be.

>>18345092
Flat is king.

>>18345092
Is a prize pig himself? How fit is he? Maybe he feels he'll have to improve himself even more just to keep you.

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>>18345092
Aesthetically I much, much prefer fit, thin females. I think that is much more attractive. That's who I'd want with me on a date. That's who I want in my picture on facebook.

But.

Slightly chubby girls activate my almonds like nothing else. I am absolutely a fat hater, I work out and run 5-6 days a week, I'm lean and muscular... but god damn the attraction to curvy women is unreal.

My dick and my brain want two very, very different things.

>>18347758
Not entirely true.

My mom is huge and I feel absolutely zero attraction towards chubby and fat women, I'm fairly fit and I work hard to stay in decent shape, so I want a girlfriend I can go on long walks with without having to stop so she can catch her breath every 5 steps.

>>18348173
brain wants attractiveness, dick wants fertility.

>>18345092
THINN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>THICC


Any fucking day of the week

>>18345194
>because he is affraid of telling people the truth to their face
Oh man, if he cannot even man up in a relationship then it would be a dealbreaker for me. My ex-gf was like that. She lied like 90 % of the time in order to avoid conflict and it was very late until I found out. Since then I always had to second-guess what she said. Needless to say one month after the relationship ended.