apprenticeship decision

>>18309837
What do you want to create after you finish school? That should help speed up your decision.

I want to do embedded systems, so the #2 option would be my choice, if you want to do more of a webdevelopment or datahandling kind of thing the #1 would be your pick.

>>18309875
I think that i'm more interested in writing dedicated applications or system software over web development.

The thing is my goal is to do an apprenticeship, then work about two years and then study CS.

Option #1 would make it easier to reach that goal. Although i'd have to do 5 years of the less interesting work.
Option #2 would make it harder to save for studying afterwards. But the work would be more interesting and maybe those experiences would make more sense if i want to work in that field after studying anyways.

I'm 21 already, so i dont want to start studying too late, or it might not happen at all.

>>18309976
Aren't there some form of student loans in Germany? Money can be made back and student loans don't weight heavily on credit loss in most of western europe. As for internships always go with what you're in the programming world for, not something you're half-interested in

>>18309976
>5 years
What the fuck? Why is it so long?

German here. You can definitely count on getting a job with the Telekom; nowadays they're grateful for anyone who can manage the IT stuff since most German universities are loaded with economic folks.

As for studying; in Germany people can study dually, you can ask the Telekom if that'd be an option. Usually companies have no problem with that under the condition that you work for them afterwards; benefits to dual studying next to the additional work experience is that many employers give financial aid (usually they pay for all necessary books, sometimes they even give extra money for your own apartment in case you have to move somewhere etc etc).

>>18310089
>dual studying
Not OP, but this has always sounded like hell to me. You probably have zero free time if you do this.

>>18310078
The apprenticeship is 3/2.5 years long + 2 years of working in that field before starting to study

>>18310089
Yes, they offer dual studying if you were working 2 years for them and were good at it. But then i would be bound to the less interesting field for even longer.

>>18310091
I share your opinion. I would rather save up for it and even consider a 4% student loan than reducing my free time to effectively 52 sundays a year.

>>18310091

It is stressful, but if you carefully select the company to do it at you can hit a real jackpot because some companies will want to keep you and want to train you for a specific job; and if you study things like International Business and the job offer mentions, quote: "must be willing to take over a position of great responsibility in the future" and "high wage for early financially independence" you can be sure to get into well-paid management straight away.

Personally I know of one success story; guy studied International Business dually, and in his early 30's owned 2 horse stables (one in the UK, one in Germany) for his polo horses. He also had European parliament members among his Facebook friends. And he didn't even work for a fucking global player - he studied at a big butcher's store chain which had just started expanding business to the UK back then and they needed someone to handle it. Fucking awesome (hence why I intend to study IB dually too, unless Brexit doesn't ruin Oxford for me, but I still got time until next year to watch the situation in the UK).

>>18310130
financial indepedence* jfieowgnirw. Too tired.