ITT: Ask the opposite gender anything

>you ask a guy what he does in his free time
>"I like to go on the internet, play video games, look at porn, listen to music, and watch movies"
What would you think?

>>18242420
boring

Any advice would be nice for this one
>send a photo I think is funny to my group chat in facebook with work friends with a caption
>one friend's sister found it real funny I guess and told him to give me her number
>text her that day talk for about 3 hours, ask her to a small lunch on X day
>says she's busy with homework and school, so not a yes but also not a no
>talk to her all day everyday for like a week and a half
>ask her what he schedule looks like on X day
>ask if she wants to take an ice cream break that day
>I don't know I'll have to see how my homework goes
>talk for a few more days
>then out of the blue she's stopped talking to me of course this was five days ago right after I sent her a text before her class
>I haven't sent anything either
So what I wanted to know is should I keep trying and should I text her at all. She's really enjoyed my sense of humor and I've worked with her before but not for too long my problem is why give me your number if you aren't willing to even just get ice cream?

>>18242471
I'd honestly wait it out. If you stop talking, she'll probably reply. It's usually as simple and typical as that.
If she doesn't I'd say to let it go. She probably wasn't looking for anything special or whatnot.
From reading your post I can kind of relate. She might've just talked to you because she could. When you have a nice conversation going with a person you just met, who has the same sense of humor as you, it's easy to reply. It doesn't always have to mean a lot, sadly.
And don't you know her brother? Couldn't you get something from him?

Don't take my word for anything, this is simply what I think when reading your post.

>>18242550
I see but when would I know to just let it go? Yeah I do know her brother but I feel asking him anything involving her would be not right you know, like an invasion of privacy or something

Girls, should I fake having certain hobbies just to get to know women? Like yoga, dancing, volunteering for charities?

All my hobbies that I genuinely love are very male-dominated.

However, I'm under the impression that a man doing anything *just* to get women is off-putting to actual women, as it implies he is in desperate need for female validation.

What do you think?

>>18242420
First of all, yeah, that can basically be wrapped up as consuming media. I would at least preface it with something like "oh nothing special, just-", the way you worded it now kind of makes it seem like you're oblivious to this being a staple answer.

Secondly would not be charmed with a porn mention right off the bat. I expect you to watch it, I find it a hot image actually, just find it pretty trashy to throw it out there right away. And it's much nicer to have that tense build up to exchanging the first sexual things than being slapped in the face with it before you even get the time to be curious and start to want to hear that stuff.

>>18242557
I think in about three or four days perhaps? I feel like you'd lose interest yourself eventually,>>18242610
or at least notice she has.

>>18242610
yes, you should lie but make sure its stuff you cant easily work yourself into a corner with

>>18242610
Lol, no
Just do what you like
There are plenty of women attracted to that or to you, regardless of your interests.
Besides, many women enjoy men that like "manly things".

>>18242610
If with faking you mean, say these are your hobbies while they aren't, then no.

If you mean actually doing that stuff then I don't think it's a bad idea. There's a middle road between not feeling drawn to something whatsoever, and liking it somewhat but the women factor being the decisive factor. There's a lot of female dominated hobbies, maybe you don't like any of the stuff you mentioned but think a reading circle or cooking course would be fun, for example?

It indeed is off-putting if you are an obvious imposer, but that doesn't have to be the case as long as you pick something that you do have some personal affinity with. You want to be able to have a sincere conversation about how you feel about what you're doing with a woman and not have to fake everything. She might not consciously realize that you're faking in that scenario, but it will make the whole social interaction more strained and you won't be able to connect with her in a relaxed way if you're worrying about covering your ass and being believable. Plus it might hurt your self-respect if you really fake it depending on how you're wired.

>>18242427
What about sword fencing, dancing, improv theatre and singing lessons?

>>18242618
Well the intended emphasis wasn't on the theoretical social situation itself, but what they do

I guess I should have rephrased it as "Girls, what would you think of a guy who does X and Y in his free time?"

>>18242635
sounds a bit gay but is much more interesting

>>18242638
Eh, I don't think too much of it. It's not that attractive in itself, especially because I'm not a big fan of movies and don't game. But at the end of the day if it comes to being interesting or boring I'm going to care more about whether you can hold a conversation about a variety of topics, spend prolonged time not doing shit on your phone, are generally positive about doing stuff with me that I like to do, than about whether or not you have a token cool hobby.

>>18242643
eh, good enough

I come across as way too macho as is so my hobbies help to balance that I suppose

whats the fastest way to get a girl to notice me who doesnt?

Girls

Is a relationship mainly about sex? Anytime someone has tried to convince me that I should have a girlfriend, and I ask why, the response everytime is "regular sex!". I've had both girls and guys tell me this...

>>18242661
>regular sex!
plebs

the real reason is better sex!
...and cuddling

in fact cuddling is more important

I can get laid on the regular without a gf just fine

Why don't women ask men out as much as men do?

>>18242660
punch her

>>18242672
they dont need to so they dont. why would you risk getting embarrassed in rejection when you can just wait for guys to come to you?

>>18242672
honestly, by now I would get turned off by getting asked out by a woman unless she was super my type

>>18242672
Different reasons, but the biggest ones are that they can more feasibly avoid doing so (or tell themselves the right guy will come around even if he won't, if they're less cute) and everyone is terrified of rejection and putting yourself out there.
Second reason is that because women are supposed to be more sexually conservative than men, they get discouraged from actively courting (or sometimes even liking) them. Guys want a girlfriend who didn't put out nearly as much as she could have, parents want a daughter who focuses more on schoolwork than on boys, girls tease or bully each other with being easy (which also boils down to saying that they're lesser quality in the eyes of men). So they don't get encouraged to be assertive and chase men, to say the least.

>>18242674
It's just that I know too many women who complain how guys 'never notice' what they want and who lost on many potentially awesome relationships because they never asked guys out.

>>18242661
Not at all. I think this is just the reason they think will be most likely to speak to you if so far you haven't felt romantic longing yourself. What is really great about a relationship (intimacy both physical AND emotional, that sense of belonging, the inside jokes and little tender moments) is much harder to sell than just going "durr, you get laid all the time".

>>18242681
But in this day and age we find it fine if women have sex throughout their lives with multiple partners. What's so wrong in being the one that asks out once in a while?

>>18242683
most women are incredibly lazy and have no internal drive to do anything

>>18242694
They seem to do fine in their jobs if they want to. I work with women and some of them are honestly better than me.

Girls, do you actually enjoy being approached by men in settings other than bars/parties?

>>18242692
Yeah it's fine if women sleep with multiple people, but there's still countless little social cues and cultural messages driving down the point that the most desirable woman is the one who keeps her number down or at least "reasonable". Aka having slept with three of perhaps six men, not fifteen.

This translates to a general discouragement of being "too interested" in sex/men. I remember from high school that for example it was completely normal that guys flirted with girls, and a girl could get a little flustered and smile, but if a girl actively and openly pursued a guy with sexually charged flirting people would instantly talk of her like a cocktease or some manhungry nympho. People still have an opinion on it, slut is still the most common word to put women down, guys still don't want to date a woman who's seen and done it all. So yeah it's still a factor.

And it doesn't translate to consciously going "hmm, I'd like to ask this guy out but I won't because I don't want to risk making my number higher". It translates to an internalized disregard for men unless they actively put themselves on your radar or are so strikingly attractive there's no way around them.

>>18242700
being gainfully employed does not require internal drive

>>18242709
Working requires internal drive.

>>18242701
Enjoying is a bit much. Especially if it's an actual come on (aka he approaches me from across the street and leads with a compliment, as opposed to a conversation arising and flirting happening from that) it does make me brace myself a bit. For potential awkwardness, potentially having to reject someone there and then, the guy being pushy or otherwise unpleasant... But I don't mind it as long as are respectful about it and take a cue when I'm not interested. Too often guys feel like once they got past the hurdle of making that first move, they have to ride that train to the end of times even if she's not interested. It doesn't work like that. If she gives on word answers etc, you're not going to warm her up, don't waste your time on her and take the hint that it's unwelcome attention.
As long as that's in check, I don't mind being approached regardless of what I'm doing.

Why do girls have such an extreme obsession with eyebrows? I understand plucking them If you are growing a unibrow but otherwise you end up looking worse than before or I don't realize at all

>>18242707
I see.
In the end it's a sad albeit natural but essentially misguided consequence of modern sexual education.
I guess a bit like forcing stuff a girl doesn't want in men's case.

>>18242717
Believe it or not, there is such a thing as a happy medium between having a unibrow and overplucking into oblivion.

>>18242711
no it doesnt

for comparison, something like embarking on a mastercraft or running a business does

>>18242717
Eyebrows have a huge effect on your initial impression on people (think of how disastrous the effect can be if it goes wrong - you can also look more fresh faced and flattering if you do it right, but then you won't notice they did anything to them) so this is where the fascination comes from, along with those thick eyebrows just being really in vogue right now. And yeah it's hard to pluck eyebrows correctly and especially hard to find the healthy middle ground if you're staring at your own face all the time and can't take a step back and see yourself with new eyes.

>>18242718
For what it's worth, I think this is something that becomes much less prominent as women age. In general apparently casual sex etc is much more straightforward and easy to come by in your thirties than in your twenties because people don't have time for bullshit anymore and realize more urgently that life is short.

When girls are young they (like guys) worry much more about being "weird" and doing things right. And in this particular case, another undermining aspect is that a girl can easily tell herself "if he liked me, he would have asked me out, boys ask girls out normally" to rationalize not putting herself out there. Hell, sometimes friends can even be a negative influence and "brag" about how they never asked anyone out and never had issues with men finding them.

>>18242727
Doing the job, i.e. typing words and making calls, doesn't require an internal drive.
Actually working and putting up with bullshit and finding new creative ways do deal with complex issues everytime, that takes effort and internal drive.

>>18242735
Too bad when we get to our thirties we still prefer twenty year old bodies. That's the real shame right there.
Thanks for the reply.

>>18242736
no it really doesnt. working is nothing special, especially in some bullshit office job in a 1st world country

>>18242740
Depends on what you consider an office job.
My first example was the typical cliche effortless office job.
The second one wasn't.
You will learn the difference one day.

>>18242713
>If she gives on word answers etc, you're not going to warm her up, don't waste your time on her and take the hint that it's unwelcome attention.
wrong

as always it's gonna vary from person to person

my gf was shy as fuck when we first met and after our second date told me how thankful she was that I didn't take her shyness for being cold

if you really find a girl attractive it's worth it to persevere so you get a chance to get to know the personality behind the pretty face that made you go talk to her in the first place

Ladies,

where are your favourite places on the body to be massaged? I always gave my ex gf back massages, foot massages, bum massages etc. Where are the best places on the body to be massaged by a man?

>>18242739
Eh, I never quite understood the male obsession with youth. Yeah elastic very young bodies are superpretty. But for me someone's confidence (to flirt, to show off their body, be open to different sexual things and so on) is ultimately much more erotic. I think virtually all ages (okay, perhaps not before puberty and not over seventy or something if you're talking sexual stuff) have their sexual appeal.

>>18242751
>Eh, I never quite understood the male obsession with youth
>But for me someone's confidence (to flirt, to show off their body, be open to different sexual things and so on) is ultimately much more erotic
Men are turned on by different things than women?

Somebody needs to research this!

>>18242751
Males are more physically obcessed. It's just the way it is.

>>18242745
whatever you say white knight, keep wondering why the girls just dont understand you

>>18242749
It's probably different for different chicks.

For me, it's my lower back, butt, legs, and feet. Oh but hand and arm massages are really nice too!

>>18242747
Fair enough, but I don't think it's really a viable strategy to go around always pressing women who give you nothing to work with just in case they cannot show the enthusiasm they do feel. Especially if you want to get experienced and approach a lot of people, then it's just that much more practical to focus on the ones that respond to you.

It's indeed a different story if someone makes a unique impression on you for whatever reason.

>>18242749
Personally hate being massaged and you probably get better replies but my first thought was that the neck is missing.

>>18242752
Not necessarily surprised that it's not 1:1, it's just kind of depressing. Everyone grows old, that inner spark and way of carrying themselves is what remains and keeps us being "us".

>>18242754
I'm not defending women, just hard work.
Thanks for your reply I guess.

>>18242756
>I don't think it's really a viable strategy to go around always pressing women who give you nothing to work with just in case they cannot show the enthusiasm they do feel.
Ultimately it comes down to the man if he feels like the girl is attractive enough to potentially waste his time if there is no clear rejection.

Disinterest usually isn't enough for me to stop talking to someone. But I am charismatic and I know that if I spend enough time talking to you I *will* brighten your day.

It usually ends with coffee and her saying "you know what, at first I was kinda bothered by you talking to me, but you ended up being so charming I couldn't help it".

>>18242756
>my first thought was that the neck is missing

Idk why but I've never been a big fan of having my neck massaged. It's probably just because it's hard to massage the neck without using too much pressure and grabbing some muscles the wrong way

Girls, pick a partner:

Nick
>5'2
>Software engineer, makes great $$$
>leftist/feminist
>receding hairline
>skinny
>funny
>in tune with his emotions
>good hearted
>hates sports and fighting

Alan
>6'4
>plays rugby
>Fascist and racist
>strong jawline
>muscular
>overprotective
>caring but emotionally closed off
>rides motorcycle
>can be a jerk
>does Muay Thai

So the dude I'm fwb's with invited me out for dinner and a movie, whereas all we've ever done before was go to his place, watch half a movie on netflix before we started making out and screwing.

... This is starting to not be a fwb anymore isn't it?

For girls or guys I suppose:

Can anyone shed any light on this situation?

There's a coworker who I'm pretty into, and I think she might at least have some feelings for me. A few months ago we started getting really close and hanging out fairly often, but that died down pretty quickly and we sorta drifted apart.

The past few weeks we've been picking up again, but it's not anything substantial and I'm still not feeling confident enough to ask her on a date/take things past being friends because I'm not sure how she feels about me.

Anyway, the other day at work she walks up to me and says she had a dream about me the other night. In her dream, she said I was dating her best friend and that I stopped talking to her because of that. Then she said "and I woke up feeling so pissed off"

I wanted to say "oh, were you jealous or something?" but didn't since I don't know if that would be over the line or anything.

So, like, what could that mean? Could she like me? What do I do?

>>18242794
Neither. Quit at
>Feminist
>Racist

Nobody likes extremes man.

>>18242798
Just ask her out man. Read the OP.

>>18242749
Shoulders I guess.
I'm not sure I would call it massage but I love to be touched on the neck, sides, thighs, even calves, in a sexual manner

>>18242794
alan ofc, who do you think is going to pick a literal midget?

>>18242797
correct

>>18242798
dont shit where you eat

>>18242717
I don't get the weird groucho marx fashion trend myself. Never understood why my friends would use eyeshadow and shit to make their eyebrows thicker and fuller.
But I also never understood the obsession with the weird drawn on thin brows.
I don't do shit to mine other than my damn Trichotillomania. Bf always knows when I'm stressed.
"You good?"
"Why do you ask?"
"You're missing half an eyebrow hun, what's on your mind?"

>>18242802
But how? I don't know what to do for dates. I'm a boring person, and I think the only reason she talks to me is because she thinks I'm funny.

Why would she tell me about that in the first place? :(

What would be a good date idea if I do ask her out? I'm embarrassed to.

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>>18242808
Well shit. Now I'm just gonna have to go back to being extremely alone.

>>18242815

Any FWB has this potential - you can't repeatedly fuck someone without someone developing feelings of some kind.

>>18242687
I guess that makes sense, although I don't really care about sex. I haven't had sex in years, and the few experiences I had were shit. Why even care anymore?

If I were to start dating a girl, I'd definitely want to wait a few months before sex (that is including oral).

>>18242815

Why even bother with sex? Just get a vibrator.

>>18242808
I'm changing jobs fairly soon, within the next month.

I told her about that a couple of weeks ago and that's around when things started picking up again.

She'll even randomly tell me about how she was watching a tv show or movie and say "so I was watching this movie and X character made me think of you, it was so weird!!!"

idk.

>>18242812
Just pick a nice restaurant you've been before and go with her there then go see a movie

>>18242834
ok so just ask her to go get a drink some time then

>>18242815
welcome to adult world

>>18242833
Not her, but vibrators can't pin me down, pull my hair, or bite me.

>>18242842

Why would you want to do that with someone you're not attached to?

>>18242846
Because it's still hot and still feels good?

>>18242847

It just seems really weird that it's cool to just swap body fluids with another human as if they are just a toy

how effective are IUDs? ive came in my GF twice in the last month

>>18242871
They aren't a toy that you're using, it's just two people having fun and making each other feel good. Of course being attached to someone you do it with makes it so, so much better, almost magical and unreal. Ideally, everyone would only eat the best quality food when they're hungry. But when you're starving and there's only fast food, it's either that or go hungry. My sex drive used to be fucking crazy, thank god I started taking birth control pills so they could numb my libido

Can guys confirm that this: >>>/fit/41141525 is what men want? Not OP pic ofc.

>>18242887

>But when you're starving and there's only fast food

You don't know how to control your feelings?

>>18242837
what about asking her if she wants to see my band play? we're not terrible, but we're not great either since we've only been contacted by small to medium record labels.

or is that a bad idea? the only reason i ask is because our next show is going to be dead since there are four or five bigger bands in our area playing the same night.

>>18242842
>Not her, but vibrators can't pin me down, pull my hair, or bite me.
I've noticed a larger number of women that are into this kind of thing than I did in the past. I legitimately wonder why that is.

>>18242910
I'm very, very submissive, so I crave being dominated. Something about my boyfriend showing his physical strength or just his confidence to order me around makes me want to roll over like an obedient dog and let him have his way however he wants. Except for anal, never doing that again

>>18242794
The second one.
What the fuck I'm not going to date a feminist version of myself with nu-male hair.

>>18242879
Supposedly good. It's basically spermicide on a stick.

Dear hot girls, you no right to be unhappy.
Sincerely,
sad ugly anon.

>>18242934
Pretty much everybody has it worse than someone else. Does that mean that none of us are allowed to feel any discontent with our lives, simply because someone somewhere has it worse? Minimizing someone else's problems doesn't make them go away. It only makes them worse; the problem is still there, but then the person also feels guilty for bringing up the problem in the first place. Everybody has their struggles. Why not try to have empathy with people?

>>18242942

>Why not try to have empathy with people?

So why don't you go have sex with an ugly person?

Video very related: https://youtu.be/Mr9jXOuqwXU

>>18242672
Because feminazism doesn't mean equality.

>>18242942
How can I have empathy for someone who has everything to be happy but isn't? It is like being rich and crying about being poor.

Girls and Boys,

I like bad girls. Girls with attitude, bossy girls, badass girls


I'm just an average joe who works hard and doesn't bullshit around. I'm no bad—boy kind, I don't wear a fucken earring to look cool.


Am I doomed? Is a girl.like that incompatible with someone like I?

>>18242947
Empathy is about understanding someone's pain, finding something inside yourself that might know some of the feelings they're feeling. Empathy doesn't say "Oh since you know how bad this person is feeling, you must do this to make them stop feeling that way or else you're a shitty person." Empathy is about acknowledging someone's pain. Even if you think your issues will be resolved by someone having sex with you, I doubt that will be the end of your insecurity. Mine wasn't fixed that way.

>>18242954
No i don't think so, I think they may be more inclined later in life however. I wouldn't expect to get your hopes up in your early 20s, but when people are ready to settle down, then yeah

>>18242954

Based on my experience...


Alot of these types of girls consider me "cute", and a few have mentioned wanting to make me bad.

Truth is, that they don't know, I used to be kind of a bad-boy anyway.
I don't need that drama anymore, though I do like these kinds of girls myself.

>>18242953
How do you know they have everything to be happy about? Are you an expert on every aspect of your life?

Let's say you're dealing with the biggest struggle of your life, like losing a job you really cared about. Now let's say someone somewhere is dealing with being homeless and unable to get a job in the first place. Their struggle does not make yours worthless because you're both going through the biggest struggle of your lives. Trying to compare your life to someone else's isn't a good way to encourage empathy

>>18242963
>every aspect of your life
Shit, meant to say THEIR life

>>18242963
They are hot and girls. They have everything to be happy. It is obvious. How can you deny this?

>>18242893
pls respond

>>18242962
>>18242959
See, I'm getting too old for some shit...

But truth is, this kinda girls wake up something in me no other girl does

My ex girlfriend was a sex freak and a coke head. I didnt touch drugs, but I always kept up with the sex part. We were both a match made in heaven, and the fact she was so open made it so keen for certain situations to happen, like sex in every public situation imaginable. Sometimes she leaded, but it was me who took it and made it happen... that never happens with othet woman


See? Im never sure if its worth or im too old for this risk. And yeah, my relationship with tjat girl ended basically because she was young and it was kind of like "its not our moment..."

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So the girl I've been dating for about 2 months was texting me and sent me 'ily' with a little heart emoji, and she's never sent it before. So my question is to other girls, is this a subtle hint that she wants me to drop the three words??

>>18242982
>They have everything to be happy.

Other people would say that you have everything to be happy because you have shelter, food, and feeling pretty certain that you won't be eaten by a predator during the night. Does that help you feel better and feel like you should quit venting your frustrations about your problems?

>>18242995
>2 months
Fuck no. Even if she thinks she wants that, that's way too early.

>>18242997
No, it doesn't, because everyone (that matters) has that.

Worked in with a girl for 6months as part of a group project - naturally did nothing but be professional due to grades - how difficult would it be to redefine that old reltionship into a romantic one.

>>18242995
To answer your question, yeah I think she feels that way (or thinks she does) but thats pretty dumb after 2 months in all honesty

>>18243006
I'm sorry that you live in a world where only certain people matter. I wish there was a way for me to help you realize that maybe there's more to this world than your own perceptions.

Cashiers, do any of u start small talk with customers?

Guys,

The guy I liked asked me to see a movie with some friends. I declined because one of his friends makes me uncomfortable. He said that since he hadn't invited anyone else yet, we could still go together. I'd like to go with just him but I don't want him to feel pressured into going just because he asked me first. Should I tell him he can invite his other friends or go with them instead?

>>18242995
That's a bit early like the other anon said. She might just be using ily the same way you'd say you really love xyz food or game or whatever.

>>18243076
I only did it because my manager would chew me out for not being friendly if I didn't. I forgot to a lot of the times anyways.

>>18242934
Being hot didn't stop my boyfriend of 5 years from cheating on me. Being hot doesn't help with the stress from work. Oh I can easily get sex with random dudes, something I'm not even interested in. How is that supposed to make someone's problems go away?

Guys, how often do you idly touch your dick? At home, while watching tv or reading or doing whatever other one-handed leisurely activity, my boyfriend constantly has a hand down his pants, rolling his dick between his fingers or sort of gently tugging it absent-mindedly. I've only ever had one other long term boyfriend whom I've lived with, and he never did anything like this. Is this a weird thing that boyfriend is doing? It seems weird?

>>18243122
Man when I go commando I just start playing in my pubes and pulling my flaps around, all the weirdos do it not just dudes

>>18243122
I do this literally all the time when I'm home and doing nothing

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Girls

how can a guy meet girls at the beach?

>>18243122

I'm doing it right now Tbh. Literally whenever I'm home all by myself. It's not pleasureable or anything. It has nothing to do with being horny. I guess it's no different than when girls twirl their hair between their fingers? Its just a bored habit

>>18243122
I am guilty of this, although probably not as often as you make it seem like he does it. I also tend to do it only when I'm by myself.

>>18243122
>Guys, how often do you idly touch your dick?

Personally, not often. But it happens sometimes (it's almost the equivalent of you readjusting your bra sometime.

Does it really matter though? If toy think it's gross or something, call him out on it, but treat it like any other bad habit your partner has: as something you have no real control over.

>>18243087
>Should I tell him he can invite his other friends or go with them instead?

That depends. Do you want him to think you're not at all interested in him and are actively looking for excuses to avoid him?

Because that's probably what he'll assume if you reject him in that way.

If you are interested in him, say yes.

Given that you're having this dilemma and that he offered to change his plans, I can only assume your the shy type or something, and so his friends were probably the excuse to go out with you at all in the first place.


>This is starting to not be a fwb anymore isn't it?

>>18242797
>This is starting to not be a fwb anymore isn't it?

Sounds like it.

Who knows though, maybe he thinks your cool and actually wants the friends part (though I kind of doubt it)

>>18243148

Haha, you hit the nail on the head. I am painfully shy but I pretend I am not around him. I won't say anything then. Thanks anon!

How long do you need to see a girl before it becomes acceptable to give her advice about her appearance?

>>18243148
It doesn't matter, it's just something I'd never encountered before. I tease him about it occasionally, and I definitely do think it's weird (it's not just occasionally, it's almost constantly any time he's relaxing at home and has a free hand), but ultimately it's not a big deal, and I wasn't assuming it was in any way sexual. I was just curious if it's a thing other men do as much since, like I said, the only other man I've ever been around like this never did anything like this, at least not while we were chilling in the same room.

Test

>>18243167

What's her personality like? What kind of advice are you talking about?

Girls or guys:
How do I kiss? I mean this more in a timing sense than a physical sense. If I'm kissing someone for the first time, I most definitely should not use tongue, right? Speaking of which, when exactly should I start including my tongue, if ever?

>>18243167

why are you seeing a girl if you don't like her appearance?

>>18243175

How does it feel to be unbanned?

>>18243177
Don't use tongue when you kiss her for the first time. Don't use tongue until the kiss starts lasting a while. Nothing melts me quite like kissing my guy and feeling his tongue just barely touch mine

>>18243189

That doesn't make sense Tbh. How do you just know how to lock faces together, and how to position tongue

How do you deal with a girl taking forever to get ready/generally just not being respectful of your time?

>throughout our years together has always had a problem with keeping times and generally getting ready in under 2 hours
>will consistently give me a time to meet up at and not be ready by that time, often a half an hour or more later
>consistently takes 1-2 hours to get ready (not including showering and generally getting out of bed and chores)
>has made us late for events before because she was doing unnecessary poorly planned things when we were already cutting it close

I've tried lightly supporting and encouraging her to make better and smarter use of her time but it never seems to get any better. Worst of it is I KNOW what's making her take so long and making her late so much. It's usually one of the following or all of them at once:

>she spends an autistic amount of time picking out her outfit
>she doesn't have the time to do her nails/makeup/jewelry but she does it last minute anyway (one time making us two hours late to something)
>she does other things (browse, play games, music) while getting ready and just blatantly disregards the time she set

It doesn't seem all that intentional and when I talk to her about it, it seems like it's something she's at least a bit remorseful for and describes it as not being able to keep track of time. What is there to do for her?

>>18243159
>. I won't say anything then. Thanks anon!

Eh? Uhh just to be clear here. He Likes you.

I don't know if he necessarily romantically likes you, but it's clear he would rather spend a night out with you than his friends.

So if you like him, agree to go out, just you and him.

>>18243194
You follow another persons lead, then instantly learn what it is they're doing. Not that hard.

>>18243200

I've made out 3 times before and I had no idea what I was doing..

Guys and girls. Mostly didn't want to make a whole thread just for this.

Broke up with my 4yr girlfriend. Self esteem is in the shitter right now.

Always thought she was out of my league and that I could never do better than her.

My friends are telling me that is trash and usually when it comes to dating there is no such thing as a fluke and if you got a girl that attractive once(and kept her for 4 years) you can do it again and that the only thing holding me back is myself, and that she wasn't out of my league.

What do you guys say? In your opinion is that true? part of me listens to them, the other part says they're just being nice to me.

>>18243203
Then get the fuck out of your head and pay attention with your body. Get tipsy if you need to.

>>18243205
There is no such thing as leagues, only people who are to afraid to take chances.

>>18243183
Was actually testing to see if 4chan would let me post. It's been buggy for a few days now and randomly won't let me post.

>>18243206

I'm sorry but I don't know what that means.

When we were kissing I honestly couldn't feel much if a sensation with my mouth. It was not enjoyable for me

If I want to meet a very particular girl what's my best bet? Befriending lots of people and meeting her through connections or actually constantly approaching until I find the one?

>>18243153
Yeah, he paid for dinner despite me trying to insist on splitting. We split the movie though.
But he wanted to cuddle the whole movie. Sooo this ain't lookin good.
>>18242818
Yeah I guess. I should probably set him free, I'm a little too fucked up to ruin him like this.
>>18242833
Basically what the other person put. Ain't no really substituting that kind of intimacy.
The really fucked up part is I really do want a relationship, ultimately, but just.. Not with him. Idk what it is. He's a nice dude and all, but something just ain't clicking into place and idk what it is.

>>18243176
I want to tell her to get a pixie cut, because I'm into short hair.

>>18243182
I like how she looks, but I think I'd like it more if she made this change.

>>18243243

How can you be intimate with someone you don't really like?

>>18243198

I won't assume anything on his end. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't forcing him to go.

How do I fix my sleeping schedule? I don't want to become even more of a degenerate than I already am.

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>>18243261
Desperation and believing in yourself real hard.

>>18243243
>The really fucked up part is I really do want a relationship, ultimately, but just.. Not with him. Idk what it is. He's a nice dude and all, but something just ain't clicking into place and idk what it is.

*shrug* it takes a lot of little things in all the right places to find someone you'd genuinely like to be in a relationship with. No shame in acknowledging that.

A lot of people like to try to pretend that's not true , mostly because they're afraid of being lonely--and then they end up miserable anyway

Hell, I was fwb with my best friend for a little while. We were already really close friends before than, and then just started hooking up one drink night because bored, honey , and single,., and then one night she had a moment where she started to overthink things and start wondering, but we stopped as soon as it happened, because As much as I love her, as awesome as it is to hang out with her, as attractive as I think she is, it takes something else, something more than that to be in a relationship and if we tried, I KNOW we'd probably be at each others throats within a week.

The shit I can put up with as her best friend, the things I find fun about her as a buddy, the things that I find quirky and amusing as a pal, that's not the same shit I need in a partner, it's not what i want, it's not what makes me excited to be with someone, it's not what I can put up with.

And she knew that too, just got caught up in the moment, and we went back to being platonic.

The kicker to all this: she's gay. Even a fucking gay girl girl rocked by that kind of shit.

>INB4 she said not gay. Yes. she really is gay. I've had MANY MANY discussions with her about it over the years And she's also currently in the happiest relationship I've ever seen her in--with another woman.

>>18243293

That sounds really cheap Tbh

>>18243301
Yup, I need this immediate attraction, and I just didn't really get it with this guy. I tried to force it, which is kind of what started the fwb stuff, but it just wasn't happening.
Still though, being with a dude I wasn't really feeling it with was still better than being alone. But if I'm more to him than a warm body to fuck I don't wanna be that cunt and continue using him. It was fine when we were using each other, but not anymore.
Ironically, I think the biggest push away from this guy is the lack of sexual attraction. He's just not very good looking to me. The sex is alright, nothing real great since that attraction isn't really there, so I think it'd be pretty unsatisfying in an actual relationship.

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>>18243318
Idk what you want me to say to that lol. Something is usually better than nothing.

>>18243322

I don't know. My sex drive has been real high the past year because I've been working out a lot. But, I haven't actually had sex in 3.5 years. And even then, it was a shit experience.

Maybe I just have really strong mental fortitude?

>>18243326
Idk man, I just got so lonely I decided fuck it, I'd rather have someone to spend the night with than nobody, even if I'm not terribly into them.

>>18243333

Quads

Oh believe me I'm lonley. But I just can't give in to random sex, even tho I've had girls show interest in me that I know I could have had sex with, I didn't do it. I don't want to be a man whore Tbh.. I honesty think if I have a good sexual experience... that I'll become a whore.. so, I'm avoiding at all costs.

Guys: do you deliberately delay your replies when texting with a girl you like romantically? If you do, why do you do it and how long do you wait before replying?

>>18243335
Thats uh, a lot of weird sex guilt you got there.
Sex really isn't that big a deal. Yeah, it's kind of cool and special, but it's WAY overblown by most people imo.
You're just mashing your genitals together for a few minutes.

My opinion is you're putting way too much stock into sex. But to each their own. If you can live a good productive happy life like that, more power to ya. I couldn't though lol.

>>18243338
Yes. It depends on how long it takes her to respond for me to determine how long to wait. If she's responding back almost instantly, I don't wait very long at all. If she's taking 2 minutes to respond, I'll take 3. If she takes 5 I'll take 5 or 6. Any longer than that and I just stop paying attention to my phone and respond the next time I check my phone, which could be a while. If I'm actually dating the person, I'll respond faster though.

>>18243351
Not him, but sex with someone you don't care about isn't really anything all that great. It's a bit different with someone you legitimately have feelings for though.

>>18243335
You are not alone.

>>18243356
Idk I've had both. Yeah its better, but it's still just sex in the end. Sex is kind of meaningless and just an activity to pass the time.
I always felt monumentally better just sitting in the same room as my bf doing nothing than I did fucking him.

>>18243351

I've had random sex twice in the past and really regret it. I feel bad about it.

Even tho I've changed a lot and gotten real /fit/, and have attractive girls showing me attention. I feel like it's too dangerous. I don't want to be a whore. I don't want to have sex unless it's with someone I trust and like. But a girlfriend won't happen for a few more years. So I must persevere

>>18243366
again, shit like "whores" is just social crap to make you feel guilty about liking sex, when it's biologically given that you'll like sex. You're hating yourself over something you're meant to enjoy

But idk I also get just a hint of humble bragging/role play out of this. But I can't tell for sure.

>>18242954
You're not doomed, but you have to make them aware you're into that kind of girl somehow. Just approach them I guess. My bf is also into the 'bad girl' type but I only figured that out after he asked me out. Otherwise I would never have guessed or bothered to talk to him, since I presume your types usually like girls who are similar to you.

>>18243369

I'm not trying to brag.

I legitimately don't want to be a whore.

>>18243371
Well, I'd say you still have some insecurity and self loathing to work through. But that's just me.

>>18243374

Oh yeah I don't disagree. But, I think if I start having lots of sex with people I'll just feel worse about myself. I think it's really unattractive if a girl has been with many guys, so that means I can't be with many girls. I have to live to my standards. As painful as it is, I have morals.

I just think the whole casual sex thing is so cheap, and even trashy.

>>18243374
Some people don't want to change no matter how tempted they are. Some people are raped as kids or grow up in broken homes, and they turn out sexually insane, others have the same shit happen and they turn out more reserved and less fulfilled by experimentation. No one story is the same. All we can do is meet people halfway.

>>18243394

>grow up in broken homes
>turn out more reserved

Me

>>18243032
Don't give up.

>>18243118
You can easily get another bf. About work, everyone has to endure stressful work, so I don't know why you are complaining.

>>18243122
Never. That's disgusting, unhygienic.

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What does this mean, whered I fuck up?!

I tride to take it slow over a period of a few weeks. Was I wrong for not going for the kiss. Should I have hit it and than made it something? Bah idk anymore.

This seems to happen alot, I get a girl to like me and than after a few days to a week its... well this, what did I do. Where can I improve?

How would I go about asking my gf about how she feels about a dom/sub sexual dynamic? It's something I've always been really interested in, but have no idea of how to bring the topic up.

>>18243404


Damn dude, you got cucked by Chad..

>>18243412
Could it be, maybe because you see her as your equal? And not someone beneath you? It's a good thing to see someone that way, as an equal.

>>18243414
Guess so, yay usmc - I guess I need to be more Chad than.

>>18243426

You're in the marine corps? That's sucks man

>>18243412
Wish I could help, but my gf is pretty submissive and made it pretty obvious what she was into right away, so it was easy for me.
>>18243421
That doesn't really have anything to do with his question though. You can enjoy power play in bed with someone and not think of them as being beneath you.

>>18243428
Yes, guess I'm looking for love in all the wrong places. These girls are outnumbered 80 to 1 and it's a tinderesque dating style. So I tried to be different and take it slower - but I guess I shouldve just fucked her

>>18243436

>80 to 1

When I was in the military, anytime I saw an attractive girl off base I automatically assumed she was someone girlfriend or wife... because in reality.. that was the case.

Go far away from base to find girls.

>>18243429
I understand the power play thing, but maybe that's the reason I felt.. like he doesn't wanna soil what they have by introducing harder stuff(?)

>>18243438
In 29 palms

>>18243446

Damn, even shittier.

well, just wait until 4 day weekends and go to LA or Vegas. Otherwise, wait until you go on leave.

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>>18243449
I'll try, what makes this worse is that I'm not 6/10 ( I'm worse) but this girl was 6'0 acne ridden, butch hair and glasses with the cutest ducking smile... goddammit I can't get here outta my head.

Ives been with 3 girls here, and it's always fuck once and I get dumped. It's starting to eat at my self confidence.

Pic is me

>>18243386
I hold women to women's standards and men to men's standards, but that's just me

I find it way more presumptive to assume men and women are the same.

>>18243455

You look pretty solid dude (no homo). You're just looking in the wrong places. Most girls around base just want dick

>>18243456

>hold women to women's standards and men to men's standards

And what is that suppose to mean? You're saying it's ok for me to go out and fuck 20 girls? Because it's not

>>18243455
>Pic is me
legit 8/10 if you dress right

>>18243473
>Because it's not
says who?

>>18243471
Than how do I give it to them without fucking up?

Is there room for a relationship?

>>18243475
Your flattery is unwarranted but appreciated

>>18243479

I wouldn't want a girl who's been with 20 dudes, so how the hell can I go be with 20 girls? Do you know what hypocrisy is?
Who says that it's ok??

>>18243483

Girls around base are sluts. Don't be surprised if the girl you fucked has been with several others from your Company.

They don't want relationships. If that's what you want, find a girl far away from base

>>18243493
aaaaaaaaand we go back to my first post

>>18243508

Clarify

How do I stop being jealous when a specific female friend talks to guys and I imagine her flirting/sexting with them? I can't hang around her ever since I've started feeling this way and just want it to stop.

>>18242661
No, not in the slightest. Relationships are about a lifelong partnership bond and eventually creating a family together.

>>18242717
It's just a trend right now. Like the gross, clumpy spider eyelashes in the 60s.

It will be a part of our decade's exaggerated Halloween costumes in the future.

>>18242879
Comparatively very good

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/pdf/contraceptive_methods_508.pdf

>>18243122
I'm a girl and I have the habit of sticking my hand down my pants when I'm alone. It's just warm and gives a feeling of security I guess.

I got this girl's number like 3 weeks ago who was cute in my class

I've texted it once, the day she gave it to me, saying my name and asking her for some info she told me that I needed and I haven't texted her since she replied

I never text anyone so what do I do, I feel like it'd be weird if I randomly texted her "Hey, what's up?"

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>>18242378
>talking to girl for some weeks
>i have weird anxiety, i cant think of shit to say when im genuinly interested in a person
>i didnt reply for days, i didnt leave her on seen or anything i just couldnt think of anything to say
>message her, she messages me instantly (at 12pm)
>message her back at like fucking 3am
>couple of small messages about it happen and now she hasnt replied all week, she didnt leave me on seen or anything just didnt open the message (the same thing i did to her week(s) proir)

Is she giving me a taste of my own medicine? I hear girls pay attention to things like this so I feel like shes giving me a taste of my own medicine

>>18243727
Why are you retarded enough to reply 15 fucking hours later at 3 AM

Unless you're dumb and thought midnight was 12 PM

Maybe she's not giving you a taste of your own medicine, maybe she just doesn't like you

Maybe message her, "What's up?" at a fucking reasonable time tomorrow and see if she responds then lmao

>>18243335

Yes. God forbid you should have a safe, mutually pleasurable sexual experience with a consenting woman. Avoid at all cost learning how to enjoy sex and gain confidence and attach such an ungodly amount of emotional significance to it that every sexual experience becomes this bloated symphony of importance and deep commitment.

I mean, everyone knows that the most important thing is not being viewed as a whore by the unwashed masses of neckbeards and teenage virgins here that pretend to be superior for the sole purpose of padding the fragile cracks of their egos.

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A girl I'm seeing is madly, crazily in love with me and it scares the fuck out of me. We've met last week.

She's sweet and kind and caring, a little bit all over the place and stunningly hot.

She's also had a mental breakdown 2 months ago and is on psychotropic drugs because of it. If she doesn't take them she starts to get the shakes in her hands.

I'm having a lot of fun when we're together, she is super cuddly which is something I really need and enjoy a lot. We've done some heavy makeout twice on my couch as well as intense petting and she wanted to stay the night yesterday, but I have food poisoning so I told her to postpone this because I wasn't sure how I would be able to perform (if at all).

All the same, I am not convinced she is someone I want to be together with. I feel like she is so crazy about me I cannot help but let her down. For her it seems like she feels we're already in a committed relationship while I am still dating on the side.

Am I correct in feeling I need to end things with her before things do in fact become too serious? I feel like she deserves someone who reciprocates her intense feelings which I don't at the moment.

>>18242701
If I don't know you, then no, I hate it with a passion. I don't go to clubs or bars for this reason If I do know you it doesn't bother me.

>>18243751
Don't stick your dick in crazy.

>>18243751
be careful with this one...or run

>>18242794
Literally none of the above. I don't care about money and couldn't get past a receeding hairline. I also wouldn't date a fascist or a racist, and hate muscles or motorbikes or overprotective guys or jerks.

My main criteria for guys is being intelligent and well read, and well dressed, and not being an ass, or an ideologue.

>>18242893
Men or women?

>>18243751
>you met last week
>she's in love with you
Uh. Run.

>>18243741
My last message to her was at a reasonable time

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>>18243755
>>18243762
>>18243768
but she's so hot ;_;

>>18243727
>>18243741
My last message was at 3pm, just checked

>>18243709
Don't you have any rl conversation with her you can go off of?

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>>18243773
You're in the danger zone.

>>18243776
Ive talked to her like twice, once about majors and other about class.

Thats all I got.

Anyone really, how do I get out of my shell a bit dating wise? I'm going to university soon, never had a boyfriend or anything due to going to a really crappy country high school with a disproportionate number of sporty bogans (for non Australians this means the trashy majority of Australia-white trash would be the best American approximation, although not completely the same).
I'm quite shy and introverted and like reading and playing music and philosophy and history, as well as art-y indie movies-none of which bar music are particularly social. How do I find and start actually dating men that like these things, and if I find them, how do I get the confidence to actually talk to them?

This one is for the ladies I guess...

Yesterday me and my gf smoked some weed. We usually don't so it hit harder than expected and we both got a little anxious.

After a while she said "I have to tell you something..." then spent the next ~30 minutes mustering up the courage.
I prepared for more abuse stories, since she has told them before and the context was similar, then ended up being relieved by the banality of what she said.

So apparently when she got off the pill (this was about 2 years ago and we've been together for 1), she started do grow a lot more body hair and has been "hiding it from me".
To me, she doesn't seem that much hairier than the average girl desu.

Is it just her poor self-esteem talking?
How much can the pill change you?
How should I handle this?

>>18243794
>Is it just her poor self-esteem talking?
Yes, yes it is.
>How much can the pill change you?
It does a lot of shit things, but I don't think body hair is one. Low libido, depression, gaining weight, poor self esteem, anger and emotion problems all come with the pill, but hair?
>How should I handle this?
Low self esteem is a tricky thing to handle, as only she can really get over it. Just be there for her, make it seem like you think she's the hottest girl in the universe etc.

>>18243782
Next time you have something about school to talk about, segway into
>lol so besides class how are you doing?
Go from there

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>ask out girl at last based on /adv/
>she worked nearby and we'd been exchanging glances for a few weeks and talked a little
>she didnt have a boyfriend
>cut to now
>ask when her break is
>she tells me
>ask if she wants to go get coffee with me
>the look on her face is a reluctant bad news kind of face
>tells me she just recently started seeing someone
>apologizes and she asks my name
>i tell her and then she tells me mine and we talk a few more seconds before i go

Girls: Is she kind of considering her options now? I got the impression she didn't want to say no to going out to coffee with me. Is asking my name and introducing herself mean anything?

Girls: in what age category do you think males are most attractive? And why?

>>18243811
I'd say it's because she felt bad rejecting you (nobody likes that), so to clear her conscience she asked for your name.

>>18243816
27-32

Look good, mature, experienced, stable.

>>18243816
20s. Around my age, still idealistic, cute, not perfect but also not an ass.

>>18243819
Yeah I had a feeling this was true.

For some reason I have the feeling women find me more attractive now in my late 20's and now that I have landed a good job.

Even though I'm pretty sure I looked physically more attractive in my early 20's.

Your response seems to be in line with what I'm experiencing

>>18243798
Thanks, apparently it's connected with some ovarian cysts that the pill was supposed to stop from spreading, but she got off because it made her suicidal and bipolar

For reference, what is the normal amount of effort girls spend on hair removal anyway?

>>18243817
That seems a little strange. It wasn't until the end that she asked, before that I made it clear that I was cool with being rejected.

It's just that she seemed disappointed that I hadn't asked earlier and considering her new "not boyfriend but guy she's recently started dating", maybe she's weighing her options?

>>18243822
I don't find youthfulness attractive in guys, so a fit 28 year old is a thousand times better than any 20 year old.
I don't especially care about money, I make more than enough to provide for myself, but being around a man who is hardworking, stable and has his life figured out is nice.

>>18243824
I shave my legs and underarms, used to do pubes but my bf likes it natural so I just trim now. Probably like 10 minutes every couple of days.

>>18243828
That's insightful thanks.

It seems to be that alot of women think like you do.

Girls: What do you want?
I'm fit, well off and generally pretty masculine and assertive/confident, I have a nice car and house and dress well and looking for a more traditional set up so you'd literally not have to do anything.

But I still haven't had a girlfriend. Girls seem to get really, concerned about me and aren't interested at all. I don't know why, I'm as polite as possible etc. I just don't get it. What do you want from a guy?

>>18243794
I haven't heard of an instance where girls get more body hair, but with myself I have definitely had emotional changes. Many girls experience lack of sexual interest unfortunately.

They just don't feel like having sex anymore, because the pill can numb your feelings down (similar to anti depressants) But this is different in every girl. Another thing that happens often are either weight loss or weight gain. There are also pills that help working against acne. So I think it is plausible that your GF might got faster hair growth or smth from the pill.

What did she mean by "hiding it" from you? Did she just shave more often? Would you be okay if she keeps some hair (for example a little bush hair, because thats honestly the biggest pain to shave)

I don't think it is poor self esteem, but rather she doesn't know what your expectation is regarding body hair.

>>18243844
How old are you? How do you try to meet girls? What do you tell them, how do they react? What do you mean by traditional set up?

It seems like you're fucking up somewhere.

My new gf is super shy when it comes to intimacy. We have only made out a couple times, although she already lost her v (With her ex). I'm planning to slowly go further, but without pushing her in any way.

>how should I get her hot?

We don't have our own place and she doesn't like touching / kissing in public situations. Should I just make out with her in my car and go from there?

>>18243844
You sound entitled to me. You think you deserve a GF just because of your wealth or general attractiveness. As long as you put these things on such a high pedestal you will only find people that are attracted to taht, but you will most likely not want these people because they are superficial like you.

Also, stop looking for a girlfriend or life partner and start looking for a friend instead.

>inb4 that will result in friendzone
Only tools think like that, there is nothing to loose for you if you make a friend.

How the hell am I supposed to meet girls on a college campus? I feel like if I were to approach a woman I would automatically be bothering her and she wouldn't want to talk to me because I'm just some random stranger she doesn't know. I don't have any clubs I'm interested in and don't have much opportunities to talk to girls in class. Not sure how to talk to girls in my dorm and I've lived here for months and only know 3 girls by name and none of them think I'm attractive. What am I supposed to do? Should I just give up completely?

>>18243852
>How old are you?
25
>How do you try to meet girls?
Bars, OKCupid etc. The usual methods.
> What do you tell them, how do they react?
I just sort of start flirting and complimenting them, and they look really put out and uncomfortable.
>What do you mean by traditional set up?
I provide, a girl stays home, she wouldn't even have to do much-I can afford a cleaner and cook if I have to.

>>18243863
In class. Before it starts and after it ends. At parties. During activities - volunteer, work for some campus organisation, whatever.

>>18243864
Maybe you're very bad at flirting. What do you do?

>>8243855
I'm not looking for a friend, I'm looking for a romantic relationship. I have enough friends as it is. I want to find a girl I can connect with in a special way who doesn't just see me as another friend.

>>18243864
maybe you're going to the wrong bars. Idk about where you live, but round here you pretty much stick with your group when out, and don't actively try to socialize with others outside of it.

Try more social bars with trivia competitions or karaoke. Those are easy ice breakers.

>>18243872
Yes, but guess what, your partner is essentially your best friend. So you need to make a friend first to see if your compatible. How do people not understand this?

>>18243855
>Also, stop looking for a girlfriend or life partner and start looking for a friend instead.
I've got friends. I don't need friends. I want a girlfriend.

>>18243880
>>18243879
>your partner is essentially your best friend. So you need to make a friend first to see if your compatible

>>18243881
But I don't think men and women can be friends. Different intelligence level, interests, emotional capacities etc. I just want someone pretty who I can stand to keep me company and have kids with me.

>>18243867
>Parties
I don't go to much but when I do the music is too loud and it's too crowded so when I do try talking to a girl they can't hear me. Also I don't know how to tell if a woman would want to talk to me. I'm not a knockout or anything, just an average guy, kind of shy and socially awkward, never had much experience with women. Can't really keep their attention or stand out. Some men just grind with random women at parties and to me that is unthinkable. I fear if I try that I will be slapped and pepper sprayed.

I could try class but I feel like if I just started talking to some girl after class she wouldn't want to talk to me and would just want to leave right away asap. We share interests and something to talk about but it's like is that even a thing? Do people just approach strangers after class and ask them what they thought about the lecture or whatever? That seems weird to me. Can't girls tell that you probably think they're attractive and that's why you're talking to them? Wouldn't that bother them?

>>18243885
>I just want someone pretty who I can stand to keep me company and have kids with me.
And here's why you'll die alone.
Women don't want to be treated like a pet or an incubator.

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>>18243885
well well well I think we just figured out why you're having trouble finding a GF lmao

Listen you pleb, you came to this board to ask for advice. If you don't want to take it fine, but stop whining because your current worldview is preventing you from finding love.

>>18243890
Worldview? How is that preventing me from anything?

What a normal notch count for a guy in his mid 20s?

>>18243887
>Do people just approach strangers after class and ask them what they thought about the lecture or whatever?
Yes.

>Can't girls tell that you probably think they're attractive and that's why you're talking to them?
No. Heterosexual girls usually enjoy it when men think they're attractive. Talking to someone after class is still respectful and kind.

>>18243892
What do you mean by "normal"?

>>18243891
you: I don't think women and men can be friends, Different intelligence level, interests, emotional capacities etc.

If worldview was the wrong word in that context then maybe attitude is right? Either way don't pretend like you don't know what I meant. Get your shit together!

>>18243892
In my friends group, it varies - some are still virgins, some had a couple of long term relationships so 2 partners, some fucked around more and are around 8-10 partners.

>>18243895
Do women not think this?

>>18243894
What would a girl expect it be be?

>>18243892
Round here? On this site? A big, whopping 0.

>>18243894
What would a girl expect it be be? I'm curious about how many girls most guys would've had by this age and if it is around the number girls would expect.

>>18243898
No normal person thinks that, neither men or women.

>>18243898
Feminists probably do. But normal girls just want to find love and someone who likes them as they are. You can have expectations. You can have standards. But you need to be aware that every girl you meet is also her own person, that will NEVER EVER be your perfect pixie dream girl.

>>18243899
It depends greatly on the girl. A girl isn't exactly looking for "normal", a girl is most likely looking for someone compatible. Generally people are attracted to those similar to them in value and experience. So girls with high partner counts generally go after guys with high partner counts, chaste girls go after chaste guys, etc.

Girls: how many of you would call yourself a feminist?
And how many actually believe women should have the same rights and opportunities as men?

>>18243907
Feminist? No, never. Same rights under the law? Yes.

>>18243904
>But you need to be aware that every girl you meet is also her own person, that will NEVER EVER be your perfect pixie dream girl.
Pygmalion did it and so can I

>>18243907
I call myself a feminist, and I believe women should be given the same rights and chances as men.

>>18243845
Honestly, I have no idea what she meant by that... She left early in the morning so we didn't get a chance to talk about it yet.
To me it doesn't seem like she's too fixated on hair removal. I think she shaves her pubes about once a week, which seems normal to me. I don't know about other things though, since I don't really pay that much attention and haven't been bothered by anything so far.

The weed probably just brought the self-hating part of her to the surface.

>>18243909
So where is the difference? Would you have called yourself a feminist before the crazy modern movement coopted it?

>>18243910
>and so can I
Apparently no, otherwise you wouldn't be here bitching.

>>18243909
Same
>>18243913
I would probably call myself a feminist if it was still only about issues that matter. Like forced mariage or that all woman can get education.

>>18243864
>>18243885
I have to agree with the other anon(s). While I favor more traditional relationships and roles, a successful and stable partnership is still built from a foundation of friendship. Your wife should be your best friend. And I think meeting girls through mutual friends works much better than bars and dating sites.

>>18243913
No. Even when I was a little middle school babby I thought the label was iffy and weird. As you can imagine, I'm so glad I never associated myself with it. A lot of 2nd, and even 1st, wave feminists were embarrassing and crazy.

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>>18243907
i wouldn't call myself s feminist because that term has pretty negative connotations. i also don't believe that males and females should be seen as perfect equals. they definitely are different. that doesn't mean they shouldn't have the same opportunity. but with that, i mean actually EQUAL opportunities. meaning that you don't fucking hire a woman to balance out your gender quote. you hire the person that is suited best for the job. if that is a man, so be it. it would mean that women who want to, will have to bring equal potential and skills to the table in order to get to the same position as a man. which i doubt will happen in great quantities, so it would be natural selection. it is not equality to coddle females and give them positions they aren't fit for or alter the terms so they can participate (see military for example). if you can't do a job, you won't get it. end of story.
i think the best approach would be to finally acknowledge that both genders have equally worthy skills in totally different areas and that society should strive to instill pride in those particular skills instead of supporting people trying to achieve something in areas they aren't fit for. for example: it is looked down on if a woman does clichée stuff like work in care. why? that's what women are suited for best. why should a woman be worth more if she get's far in an area that requires male skills? why does society see it as weak for a woman to play up her feminine advantages and applauds her if she goes against her nature and tries (badly) to compeed in careers she has no chance? i don't get it.

i don't think it's ok to want to go back to times where women weren't allowed to study. but let them crash and burn if they choose a field that isn't suited. over time this would inevitably lead to a more harmonious spreading of natural skills.

i do think women should get the same opportunities and rights. but with all the pitfalls and the need to prove oneself.

I'm pretty new to the whole online dating thing and have been using Tinder for the past few weeks. I'd say I'm below average in physical attractiveness, but I think I have a decent profile. I get 1-3 matches a day depending on how much time I spend on the app, variance etc.

The issue I have is that my conversations normally die after the first day, even if they feel like they're going well. Is it a normal thing to ask for her phone number or whatever basically straight away? Should I be asking her out quicker? Or am I just shitter at conversation than I think I am? Maybe it isn't the thing for me if I'm looking for more than just a quick fuck?

My roommate may or may not have this thing with a girl that I also kind of like. She thinks I'm pretty cool and I enjoy talking to her and she seems to enjoy talking to me. I want to get to know her better. My roommate and her hang out quite a bit but I'm not sure if they're just friends or not. He talks about a girl he has a relationship with who lives an hour away, but he hangs out with this one girl a lot and she always comes into our room to hang out.

Earlier she and 2 other girls asked him to hang out with her but he said no and she sounded kind of pissed that he declined. He didn't really care or think it was a big deal, it was late at night and he didn't want to hang out because he was tired. What am asking is do you think they're just friends or are they into each other and if I made a move that would be a terrible idea? He's the one who invites her places and to our room and such, but that's because he knew her first and longer. I get more of a friend vibe between them, but they do spend quite a bit of time together. Then again he does invite me to hang out with them fairly often so who knows?

>>18243954
Risky business

The fact that he lets you hang out with her instead of just him and her might mean something. Maybe they might actually just be friends? Maybe she is more into him than he is into her? I'd say just keep trying to get to know her and gauge her reactions. Ask him to invite her to do things more often, drop some hints. Or you could just, y'know, ask him, but that might cause some tension if they actually do have a thing going on.

I'm shitting blood, lots of it, stuck the Mrs tampon up there, will she notice they are missing?

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If the reasoning for casual sex/fwb is that 'sex is just sex' and nothing more, that it feels good, then why are you angry when your SO cheats?

Isn't it just sex? There's no emotional investment so surely it's okay when your bf/gf cheats on you?

>>18243977
Because a monogamous relationship usually imply sexual and romantic faithfulness.
Unless you both agree that it's fine to have sex with others, then it isn't okay.

>>18243980

But it's just sex? It's just a bit of fun, nothing more than that.

>>18243975
1-3? No.
4 and up, I suspect she will.

>>18243975
sounds like hemmoroids. does it hurt?

>>18243984
How does that matter?
If you agree with someone to be faithful and not have sex with others, you're breaking a promise.

>>18243977
Wut. You are talking about two different things here. Noncommittal relationships and commited relationships.

>>18243987

But the question is why does having sex with someone other than your SO matter? Why is that sex has no meaning when it's just hookups and fwb, but all of a sudden has some delegated importance when you're in a relationship?

>>18243991
Because you are committed and you promised you weren't going to have sex with others.
Sex with them is still meaningless emotionally, but you'd break the trust of your SO by doing something you promised not to do.
You can agree to have an open relationship, but if you are committed it is shitty to cheat.

How can i ask a girl to step on my balls?

>>18243991
Not that anon, but you'll find that generally people tend to fall into one or the other camp. Some people are not at all interested in casual sex/promiscuity and sex and monogamous romance are very much linked. For others, they dislike being tied to one person and maybe even have intimacy problems/aversion and don't do relationships.

Of course there are some people who "have their cake and eat it too", where they have had casual sex and then also form a monogamous relationship. Ultimately you're asking people to try and logically explain unconscious feelings. Pair bonding, mate gaurding, and jealousy are all incredibly powerful and primal instincts deeply rooted in our biology.

Girls, common advice for men looking for a romantic/sexual relationship with women is to approach and speak to with as many as possible.

Would this technique work if you're a manlet? I'm 5'6".

>>18244004
As long as you're going after girls shorter than you, you'll probably have the same success rate.

>>18244004
Do it with girls shorter than you.
Also, do it in appropriate settings.

>>18244004
A large number of girls are shorter than that. In my experience, as long as the girl is shorter than you, you'll be fine. Girls who are taller than you will reject you 9 times out of 10, but it's worth a try if you really want to.

>>18244005
>>18244007
>>18244011
Ok, thank you.

>>18243986
No, feels good when the blood lubes up a nasty poo.

>>18243985
Better stop smoking them too then!

>>18243977
Casual sex is not the same thing as cheating-there's no betrayal of trust in casual sex, or any promise of fidelity.

Girls how do you feel about dating a guy with a shaven head?

I keep it shaved all the way down since I was 25, like the look better than having half assed hair on my head and being 'balding'

Other information, I'm fit, have a good job and people tell me I'm social.

In my head I always think it's a huge turnoff for girls which gets in my way alot of times

>>18244027
I don't mind it at all.
I prefer a guy with a shaven head over a balding dude any day.

Insecurities are a bigger turn off than any feature.

>>18244027
I personally think it's a hot look, but I never dated a bald guy so I don't know how it feels like to cuddle etc. I just imagine if you keep your head clean then it shouldnt be a problem? Search for girls that love Bruce Willis and Jason Statham, there shouldnt be a shortage of that

>>18244030
Well thanks, I guess it might be a smaller deal than I think it is.

>>18243497
I'm in 29 palms ca, it's a desert. So the best girls are the fellow marines. I guess casual sex is the name of the game.

How do I enter into that? Just meet up, hook up and step?

Idrk I'm getting shut down by 2s. It's a candy shop of cock for these girls. For the men... not so much

>>18244041
>It's a candy shop of cock for these girls. For the men... not so much

Welcome to real life, senpai. I hear after World War 2 men were in such short supply, every guy had their pickings of the cream of the crop. I hope 3 is right around the corner.

>>18244004
There are women who are under 5'6 ya know

>>18244045
Honestly I think it's an age thing.

Women in their early 20's basically have acces to 80% of the supply of men, even if they are only of average looks. They can get sex easily because men are willing to fuck below what they consider wife material.

Then as women get older the roles start to reverse, when you are succesful as a man in your late 20's early 30's, and you make sure you dress nice, are fit etc. you start to get access to a much larger part of the women pool.

Women in their early 20's look for chads, as they get older they start to look for somebody who can provide.

>>18244051

>Women get men during their virile prime
>Men get women after they've been gaped by Chads and aging

still not fair imo

>>18244055
It's only bad if you believe in pol memes and want your waifu's pure and untouched.

Honestly why would you care if she's had a couple of sex partners, you probably have had them too. As long as it's in single digits I don't see the problem.

>>18244057
>As long as it's in single digits

That's being hopeful.

>>18243887
>Can't girls tell that you probably think they're attractive and that's why you're talking to them? Wouldn't that bother them?

Look dude, you're falling for the "Men are from mars, women are from Venus" meme.

Side note: The more I think about that line, the more I hate it.

Newsflash: While there are definitely some difference, women ain't that different from men.

Women have the same basic human thought process as men.

What do you think when a random dude walks up to you and asks about the class?

Do you instantly assume he's after your dick? Or do you take it at value and assume that he's asking about what he's asking about?

What do you do when a girl asks you a question about something a teacher said?

Do you instantly assume she's after your dick? Or do you take things at face value and she's asking about something she wanted to know?

Same shit.

Unless... you DO actually assume she's after your dick (I am aware some of these exist)... in which case... another news flash, this isn't women thinking different from men, this is you being egotistical as fuck.

Fair warning, just the same as there are men who seem to think that every glance and every word a woman utters has some hidden meaning that revolves around them, there are some women who believe the same. Once again, this has more to do with some people being egotistical as fuck than it does to do with genders.


TL:DR: Calm down. The world doesn't revolve around you. Don't assume other people will make assumptions. Just act on good faith, and believe they'll assume that you are.

>>18244061
Most women don't have more than 10 partners.

>>18244057
>single digits
Yet to meet a woman that's still in single digits.

>>18244069
I've met many

>>18244067

Not in this day and age. Tinder and co. are making those numbers skyrocket.

>>18244067
you what? most women by age 25 have more than surpassed having 10 partners.

>>18244078
Let's see some evidence for that

>>18244074
3/4 of my friends haven't had more than 5 partners. Some had one, a couple are still virgins and waiting till marriage.
Just one is in double digits.
We are in our 20s, college girls and decently attractive.

>>18244083
Can you describe the girl who's in double digits?

What are her personality traits, lookswise etc?

>>18244083
That's just a personal anecdote though. And hopeless romantics (especially girls) tend to flock together, so you and your friends aren't really a diverse sample.

>>18244083
>a couple are still virgins and waiting till marriage.
Christian too right?

>>18244082

Sorry anon,

/r9k/ never provides evidence.

Lots of charts and graphs with no context and anecdotal stories, occasionally even a Wikipedia link, but never evidence.

>>18244085
Blonde, curly hair, blue eyes, petite, large hips, smaller tits.
She's very stubborn, a bit bitchy. Bubbly and extroverted. Loves getting attentions.

>>18244090
Yours is a personal anecdote as well. Statistics show how average for both genders is under 10.
We aren't really romantic, and most of my friends don't even know each other.

>>18244092
Catholic. Sisters.
One is getting married next year, the other never even kissed.

>>18244102
>Catholic
well golly gee i wonder why so few people you know have had many, if any, partners

>>18244102
>a bit bitchy. Bubbly and extroverted. Loves getting attentions.

That is the kind of personality I would expect to be in the double digits, especialy the attention and bitchy part.

Thanks for elaborating.

>>18244102

Statistics is skewed by the existence of virgins and the religious.

>>18244107
I'm not Catholic. They are.
I met the younger in school, we're both studying medicine. I met the older sister through her, we volunteer together.
None of my other friends is particularly religious, the only one who ever goes to church is the one in double digits.

>>18244102
>Statistics show how average for both genders is under 10.

Can you provide those statistics?

Also I can imagine the problem with those statistics is that they are most likely self reported.

Guys might overstate their number of sex partners while females might be inclined to understate them.

Still I think it's sound fair that the average should be close together for both sexes.

Even though I suspect there are major differences when you look at different age categorys.

>>18244112
Around half of the population don't have more than 5 partners in their whole life.

>>18244117
Lets see those numbers

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Time for some actualy statistics

It seems that males do tend to have more sexual partners on average.

The problem with these numbers is that they are most likely self reported though.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/key_statistics/n.htm

>>18244117
if you honestly believe that, you're in denial of just how much fucking around people do these days.

>>18244115
>>18244119

https://kinseyinstitute.org/research/publications/faq.php

>Median number of opposite-sex partners in lifetime among U.S. men and women aged 25-44 years of age is 6.6 for men and 4.3 for women.
>Percentage of men and women aged 15-44 years of age who have had 15 or more opposite-sex sexual partners in their lifetime is 21.8% for men, and 10.6% for women.

>>18244122

>most likely

You mean definitely, it's not like you can confirm the amount of sexual partners through any means.

If we're to follow social expectations more than anything, guys tend to over-inflate, while girls under-inflate. I would assume there's a reasonable gap between the sexual partners of males and females, with females having generally more.

Women, what do you think of men who've slept around a lot? I could probably be called a reformed manwhore, I used to fuck different girls every week, but I want to properly date.
Would that kind of a number be a redflag?

>>18244124
He's absolutely right though
>>18244122

>>18244130
maybe for the US but for my country, if you're between 25 and 44 and haven't had 10 partners, you're not average.

>>18244134
Where the hell do you live?

>>18244124
There are plenty of people in stable relationships, plenty of people who don't fuck around, plenty of people who have been with their partner for years.
If you don't want to have casual sex, you will most likely end up having 3-4 partners in a lifetime. A lot of people don't want to have casual sex.

>>18244127
If there is no incentive to lie: the data is anonymous, I don't see why people would lie about their number of sex partners.

Especialy when it's in the single digits, it's really easy to remember how many sexual partners you actualy had.

Even if we were to follow your hypothesis that girls underestimate and guys overestimate, that would mean that it moves the actual averages closer together.

Your hypothesis that that females have generally had more sexual partners is just an assumption, it's not based on evidence.

>>18244122

statistics is bullshit though so I don't see your point

>>18244141
the word statistics is actualy plural

>>18244129
The guy I like is like that.
I'm pretty conflicted, but I'm trying to get over it.

>>18244122
>The problem with these numbers is that they are most likely self reported though.

I mean.... the alternative is that we live in a society where organizations have constant 24/7 access to every single aspect of our daily lives and know every single detail of our actions...

Or maybe we're already getting there.
>puts on tinfoil hat.


Also.... I love the:

"Let's see those numbers"
"No. Those numbers don't count. People brag and understate. They are skewed and flawed. My anecdotes are the real truth. Wake up to my reality son."

Like really? Seriously?

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>>18244138

>hypothesis

It's not a hypothesis. Women statistically lie about having less partners, while men lie about having more.

>>18244146
Self reported data is not a problem perse, as long as the data is anonymised (and the the reporters know this) and as the reporters are able to accurately report the number asked. Which is not always the case.

If you ask people who overeat how much calories they consume each day they will tend to underestimate that number for example.

>>18244150
Yes. To your partner.
Not to an anonymous survey.

>>18244122

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-05/sdsu-caa050415.php

Millenials age 1-25, average partners = 8. Mind you this cap is at 25, meaning after that age it wouldn't be absurd to assume they hit double digits.

>>18244150
That chart says a higher percentage of women have not lied about their number of sex partners, which suggests the number on the male side is further from the truth than the females number.

Also a chart like that, without context, without the actualy research data is pretty useless though, we might still be talking about self reported data here, because they wouldn't have actualy measured how many sex partners somebody has had.

You're running into the same problems again, you're relying on liars to be honest about having lied before.

>>18244156
That data conflicts with this data though
>>18244122
I can't say right away which is the right number

>>18244168
Average and median have different meanings. Median might be more useful in this topic.

>>18244168

The data with the higher count has a much younger age class, ending at 25 whereas the other one goes on to 44. It's also 5 years newer.

If there's anything to ascertain, it's that young millennials have a higher number of sexual partners.

>>18244152

This is true.

But.

It's still more credible than any anecdote by a person who is obviously biased AGAINST the topic.

For example, I sure as shit am going to doubt the fuck out of ANYTHING the Traditional Values Coalition or Abiding Truth Ministries has to put out about gay people.