How do you talk yourself out of suicide when it feels like the

>>18229918
You can try to post your reasons, your life situation and what have you tried so far to get rid of suicide thoughts and hopefully some anon will counter argument you or even give you new ideas as to why not suicide.

But i bet you are one of thouse suicide posters who ghosts the thread after it becomes "too personal" for him.

If you kill yourself you will not feel relief from the situation you are in. You will completely cease to exist which means there won't be any you to feel the relief.

>>18229930
I'm an LGBT alphabet soup in a small town where I don't have the energy and resources to get out of, and even if I did manage to find a real job in a real city, I'd still only have a fraction of a fraction of a chance to find someone who'd tolerate me, much to speak of loving.

>>18229941
It'd still make it stop.

>>18229918
>when it feels like the most sensible and logical option?
Upgrade Common Sense and Logic to 2017 versions.

Unless you're about to be captured by cannibals, forced to spend the rest of your life in solitary with absolutely no way to escape, gangraped by whales or suffer from some super painful illness with no chance of cure, there is nothing logical or sensible about suicide.

>>18229958
>the rest of your life in solitary with absolutely no way to escape
>suffer from some super painful illness with no chance of cure
Does being transgender cover either or both of those?

>>18229953
>where I don't have the energy and resources to get out of,
For now. How do you know that you won't find the motivation and energy to acquire resources to do it later? How old are you?

>I'd still only have a fraction of a fraction of a chance to find someone who'd tolerate me
Unless you're a horrible person (and too lazy to try), the chance is a lot higher.

>much to speak of loving
Now that's a real gamble but it is for everyone. If nazi furies find someone, most people got a pretty solid chance I'd say.

>>18229958
>gangraped by whales
found the >>>/d/egenerate :-D

>>18229953
I am sorry for lbgt. No advice here. I was born "normal". But there are a lot of chasers and if you havent done some surgery / hormones you can still be semi normal person more than capable of finding somebody to love.

>>18229966
A bit of each I guess but lacks the crucial "no way to escape" and "no chance of cure" bits.

>>18229970
I'm 23. I'm stupid and have no hobbies or interests that could be turned into a career or even a real job. I tried to study to become an electrician but I was just too fucking stupid for it and had to drop out.

I'm transgender, gay, asexual and ugly. The chances of someone settling for that aren't high, even if I completely gave up having any kind of standards of my own.

>>18229973
There are no chasers for trans men who cry while being fucked.

>>18229975
There is literally no such thing as a cure to being transgender. All that conversion therapy (which would be pretty much absolutely illegal on my entire home continent) does is bully you into suicide, anyway.

>>18229998
>career
Try something manual like plumber or construction worker. It pays well and all you have to do, is being patient at start before you grasp it.

>transgender gay asexual
Who who there. That is some fucked up combination. So you are a man who wants to be woman and likes females but doesnt like sexual attraction?
>?????? That seems impossible

>ugly
What kind of ugly are we talking?

>cry while being fucked
You clearly have some mental issues. Try tell us more. Also why do you even care about what gender you have, you can behave / dress like whatever you want. No need to be sad over something so trivial.

Try tell us more op.

It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

>>18230028
I was too stupid to become an electrician.

And I was assigned female (a whole bunch of trans people get offended if you say "born a girl" and I never know what terminology to use to make myself understood) and I always had crushes on boys growing up but being fucked makes me feel used and worthless, and now that I haven't done it for years I'm also terrified it'll hurt, which probably means it definitely will.

I started testosterone this month. If everything goes well I should also be getting the surgeries scheduled this year as well.

>>18229998
>I'm 23.
So still quite a bit time to go and change almost everything you want to change. Wachowski sisters did their gender transition when they were middle aged.

> I'm stupid and have no hobbies or interests that could be turned into a career or even a real job.
aka. your average tween, besides most hobbies or interests are unrelated to peoples careers.

>I tried to study to become an electrician but I was just too fucking stupid for it and had to drop out.
How old were you then? What exactly was the problem? It's usually more complex than being too stupid. Did you at least like it generally?

>I'm transgender, gay, asexual
Quite a package indeed.

>and ugly
Is pretty subjective.

>which would be pretty much absolutely illegal on my entire home continent
This is 2k17, no one is stuck on one continent forever. It might take long to get off it, be very hard, etc, etc but it's perfectly in the realm of possibility.

Also, by all means, I don't want to claim to know much about it, but isn't the biggest cause of suicide not related to the therapy itself but how trannies are still treated like shit by society. At least that's something where the time that it would take to get the money for it would play in your hands since acceptance towards trans will improve over time.

>>18230040
I guess there is nothing some random anon could tell you to not go to the surgery and change your mind?

Because lgbt people have the highest suicide rate. The surgery wont help you. It will make you an abomination with no way back. Like have you seen some trans ftm porno? It doesnt work at all.

Cant you just dress as a man or find some other solution than to sterilize yourself, damage your fun parts of your own body and hook yourself on testosterone drugs for the rest of your life?

Why dont you try to accept yourself as who you are?

>>18230049
It was last year, I was 22. Physics was always among my weakest subjects in school, I always hated it, and I'm just too fucking stupid to wrap my head around how electricity currents work.

Like I could manage up to understanding the difference between a proton and an electron, but when it came to calculating voltage or resistance it all went out of the window.

I was under so much stress I ended up having a breakdown at work, they called me an ambulance and I spent a week at a mental ward. That's when I decided to give up on it.

And by conversion therapy I meant the make-trannies-stop-being-trannies -kind. It's illegal in Europe for health care providers to psychologically torture people to death.

And I'm stuck in this town for as long as I don't have a good job in a real city and I won't have one for as long as I'm too stupid to stay in a school.

>>18230063
Allow me to put it this way:

If doing that was in any way possible, then why for the love of god would ANYONE be transgender?

Do you think people get kicked out of their homes, disowned by their families, give up any and all hope of being loved, and get killed in the streets for FUN?

If transitioning means a 85% chance of suicide, not transitioning has 90%.

Nobody would transition if it wasn't the preferrable option. I have no way to convey you just how bad a person has to feel to make it one.

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>>18230100
I'm on mobile, what is that?

>>18230063
>Why dont you try to accept yourself as who you are?
Because that's not how gender dysphoria works, nigga. Do you advice people to "stop hearing voices" or "stop thinking that your amputated leg is gone" too?

>>18230085
The stress factor is bound to affect your results too, so it's not necessary as simple as being too stupid. Did you try figuring that shit out under less pressure?

>And by conversion therapy I meant the make-trannies-stop-being-trannies -kind.
Ah, well that shit rarely works either way.

>and I won't have one for as long as I'm too stupid to stay in a school
Which is in your power. We're not talking about quantum dynamics, all the basic school stuff is doable for basically everyone, you "only" need to find a learning method that works better for you than your current one. Also another anon recommended trying another easier job, depending on where you are, even some simple shit can pay relatively well. A shit tier job and saving up is an option too, just takes much longer of course.

Your current situation now sucks no doubt about it but there seem still to be too many ways left to try to get out before quitting it all permanently.

>>18230114
I'm in a shit tier factory job where they have no choice but to give good pay because the job is so shit.

And you don't understand. There is no learning method. I'm not a visual learner or learning by listening or any of that. I am just literally incapable of learning that shit. I simply cannot.

It was the level of education taught to 16-year-olds and none of it would go into my head. None of it would sink in.

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>>18230094
Fuck. I guess you have my permission to suicide then. Being trans seems worse than having painful terminal cancer or slowly losing your ability to think.

I hope the eugenics will solve this one.

>>18230114
And how do we treat bulimia/anorectic people with
>body dysphoria?
We dont operate them to allow them being super thin without losing hair and other symptoms of hunger?

We somehow make them realize that their behavior isnt good and sometimes it even works?

Maybe i should educate myself by reading more
>>>/lgbt/ but it seems like cespool to me.

>>18230138
The difference between being able to give someone hormones/surgery to make them more like the preferred gender and being able to treat anorexics to suffer no ill consequences of a freakishly low weight is that one is

A. Physically possible at all

B. Not found to have any other treatments that work.

There are recovered anorexics. There is no such thing as a recovered tranny. Besides, it's not like you can have an inbalance of "skinny hormones" in the womb and be born with dysphoria about it.

imo the main reason is time. time doesnt stop and changes everything. Chances are with time things will get better, or maybe theyll get worse. It's hard to say. However, I'd argue that its worth living to see what you can make of yourself with whatever time you are allotted. It's like a game to me. Trying to see how much of my life I can influence. Sometimes things just happen that you have no control over. Then its a challenge to see how much you can "salvage" of the situation. It can be very overwhelming at times but chances are extremely high that nothing will happen if you dont try to chamge things. It's tough but being human is not easy

>>18230158
>no such thing as a recovered tranny
I guess we should offer euthanasia to trans then. You make it sounds like there is no other option.

:-(

>>18230183
I'm too tired for that. It's just better to cut my losses here and finish myself.

>>18230131
> they have no choice but to give good pay because the job is so shit
Well, that's something. Bit by bit you get closer. It's not like everyone in a big city works at a super demanding job, so no need to worry about it THAT much.

As for the learning thing, honestly, I am pretty skeptical. It's a lot more complex than shit like visual/auditory learning. The right spacing of information/breaks/repeating, combination with practice and theory, game based on so on and then there are tons of meta aspects like dealing with pressure, motivation, etc, etc. Almost all learning methods in schools tend to be dogshit.

But even if you're convinced that none of it would work for you, there are always different careers and jobs. Pulling an hero without trying everything else first is pretty lazy, mate.

>>18230138
>And how do we treat bulimia/anorectic people
Not very effectively and their issue is a lot less complicated. Usually we just make them turn their obsession into something less destructive. They often end up as fitness fanatics.

>We dont operate them to allow them being super thin without losing hair and other symptoms of hunger?
Because it doesn't work. Operations for trannies tend to work, just not as effectively as we hope but a big factor is societies reaction on the result, which is bound to change.

>>>/lgbt/ but it seems like cespool to me.
Well, it's still 4chains.

>>18230192
So why are you here when you could be killing yourself? I doubt you have thought of everything. I can assume there is something holding you back. I will honestly say that you arent ready to kill youself otherwise you would have done it. True hopelesness is true hopelesness. You arent ready so you should try and make a change while you make this decision . If you really want to end go and die but dont bitch about it on a forum. There's a reason when people say things like you its called a "cry for help". You feel hopeless and desperate which is understandable but you wouldnt be here if you knew you have nothing going for you.

So what's up? What is truly bothering you?

Suicide is not the most sensible or logical option. There is no meaning to life but to recognize the absurdity of it all and laugh it off.

>>18230216
absurdism is bullshit and Kierkegaard was a faggot

>>18230206
The reason why I have this job HERE is because the FACTORY is here. I cannot have THIS zero-education job in a big city because the job is PHYSICALLY TIED TO THIS TOWN IN PARTUCULAR.

And trying to learn that shit was like pulling teeth. I hated every minute of it, and I would definitely very literally rather die than try doing it again.

>>18230214
I have to outlive mom.

She reassured me that if I off myself, she's going to give up on life and become demented overnight just like grandma did when my aunt killed herself, and I don't want her living like that. She's the only one looking after my sister.

I've sometimes thought of making it a murder-suicide, offing them first before putting myself out, but that's even worse and I couldn't stomach going through with it.

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>>18230219
Nice job mixing up existentialism and absurdism.

>>18230230
What I did was focus on myself. I am 100% sure that there is SOMETHING you like about youself, and maybe thatll lead to other things. I love my mom, but honestly? Fuck her. My goal in life is to improve myself. I feel that you have not worked enough on yourself and this is leaving you in a distirbed state. This is my own personal experience. I (mostly) stippped caring about other people except those closest to me. I think that you dont see enough i yourself so you should work ON YOURSELF.

As for what your mother said to you, you meed to understand that when someone says something such as this, it's a selfish act. For her to actually say to you that sje will go into dementia if you kill yourself is a sign of emotional dependence, weakness on her part, and manipulation. No person that truly cares about you willl ever say this.

I'd say to distance youself on an emotional level from your mom and focus on yourself. What is it about you that you don't like? Who do you want to be (independent of your mother's or anyone else wishes)?

>>18230216
But then what's more absurd than dying?

>>18229918
This is simple:

Think of all the people you will devastate. Mom, dad, brother, sister, kids, whoever else.
Unless of course you're selfish and don't give a shit about anybody.