Am I retarded?

>>18174122
Figure out something that you would like to do, then just bring her.

She seems to be fine with what you're doing ,because she keeps going out with you. But I'd be more concerned about her getting bored with going out with a guy that won't even hold her hand. That isn't a "work up to" event.

>>18174122

You've been to dinner and a movie 7 times?

Geez, she must dig you to not be bored out of her mind.
Also - my last date and I held hands the first night during dinner and walking around town and on the whole car ride home (which was about an hour) - and do you know why? Because I just did it and she was cool with it.

A lot of things will depend on your income and where you are located.

I would find some cool local things that are going on - maybe a concert...even if it's like your friend's band - doesn't need to be some famous person. Maybe a comedy show if there's some place that does that around you - it's easy and stress free.

I would find a spot that's important to you or that you think is pretty and have a picnic up there. (Like on my last date I took her on a little drive up to this spot that over looks our town in the mountains, I'm sure there's something like that near you)

I don't know if you have your own place or not - but if you do, invite her over and make her dinner.

Keep and eye for local events...there's always some kind of something happening - I've been to stuff like Beer Festivals or there was even a mac and cheese festival where I live (It's kind of a touristy spot though) but something where you can go walk around and be together and talk.

You got this bro - she's into you - just keep it up.

>>18174136

Right? Isn't that the oddest part of this post?

Who works up to holding hands?

That's so out of place in the context of 7 or 8 dates that it makes me wonder if this whole thing is some kind of troll post.

Like...anon have you actually been on 7 dates with her?

Have you kissed? I already gave me advice on what to do - its just more for my curiosity.

>>18174122
walk in the park
zoo
people-watching at the mall
bowling/miniature golf/horse riding/etc
volunteer work together
play tourist - go to the things in your area only tourists do (90% of New Yorkers have never been to the Statue of Liberty)

Haha, 8 dates? I dont think youre ever gonna dig yourself out of that hole, buddy. Try a new girl, this one sees you as the free dinner guy now and she will NEVER fuck you.

>>18174152

I have been on 7 REAL dates with her. I haven't held her hand because it seems to weird for me. Like how do you even hold a girls hand? Do I lace my fingers with hers?

>>18174567
HNNNGH Holding hands is like the best feeling ever! Get's me hard even thinking about it.

>>18174152

I have been on 7 REAL dates with her. I haven't held her hand because it seems to weird for me. Like how do you even hold a girls hand? Do I lace my fingers with hers?

>>18174567
It sort of works the same way it does with everyone else's hand. Just put your hand in hers, and it generally just works itself out.

>>18174592
What the fuck does that even mean?

Also, side question, I wish women would do more to overtly signal me to do more.

Like in my mind, holding a woman's hand without asking is basically rape. Actually to me, touching her body without permission seems rapey. Am I wrong? It just seems weird to touch without permission.

Serious question: is she aware that you two are dating? Or (in her mind) are you just a platonic buddy to hang out with?

>>18174625
>holding a woman's hand without asking is basically rape
>holding a woman's hand without asking is basically rape
>holding a woman's hand without asking is basically rape
>holding a woman's hand without asking is basically rape
>holding a woman's hand without asking is basically rape

>>18174630
Well I used the word date 7 times and each time she said okay. Don't know how much more I can say. I hope she sees this as dating. I also asked her if she likes me and she said yes.

>>18174639
you shouldn't touch anyone without their permission. It's not as bad as full on rape, but like, it's not something someone should do.

>>18174668
So I take it you haven't kissed her yet. OP have you kissed her yet? How old are you and her? What are each if your living situations?

>>18174668
Has she ever referred to you as her "boyfriend" when talking to others?

>>18174687
I have not kissed her yet. She is 24 and I am 26.

She lives alone and I live with an uncle(split rent).

>>18174689
No she hasn't.

You've never held her hand. You can't even fathom making any physical contact without feeling like a pseudo-rapist. She doesn't consider you her boyfriend. How would you characterize your relationship?

>>18174733
I would characterize our relationship as two people on the precipice of relationship. Like at that step before we consider each other as boyfriend and girlfriend.

What do you want be to say? How would you categorize it?

>>18174738
I want you to say "I'm going to hold her hand next time and see how she reacts". And I want you to say that without any worries of appearing rape-y.

>>18174740
I said it but not with out the worries. She also said that she wants to take things slow because she had been in a relationship before that hurt her which I understand but how slow do I go?

Also, why do I feel like I have to ask for so much permission? Like my brain physically can't fathom kissing her without asking "can I kiss you right now?" And her saying yes. Apparently people just kiss each other no permisdion and shit.

How do dudes do this?!?!

>>18174943
>Also, why do I feel like I have to ask for so much permission? Like my brain physically can't fathom kissing her without asking "can I kiss you right now?" And her saying yes. Apparently people just kiss each other no permisdion and shit.
>How do dudes do this?!?!

You probably have more empathy than most guys. Do you fap to porn?

One thing you should realize, "rape culture" aside, is that most women find confident men ATTRACTIVE. Like, not neutral...attractive.

Most women also like to be pursued, it's flattering.

You need to know also that women like to kiss, and most women aren't going to make the first move. So that leaves the man to make the first move.

See how she reacts when you touch her, like hold her hand, or her shoulder. Read her body and facial expressions and determine if she likes it. Then...do more and more.

>>18174952
I understand what you are saying but I get vibes this girl is the type to just go along with stuff even if she doesn't like it. Like why would she have gone out with me so many times? I ask myself this every night. I will try to size her up next time. I just can't get good reads on her. I am not good at reading women to begin with.

>>18174943

Perhaps that's a subject matter you should turn the conversation around to with her, not us. "The oddities of personal space".

>>18174983
Form what you tell she obviously likes you. I'd say it won't hurt if you're just honest with her. If she's not blind and deaf she noticed by now that you're shy and a bit insecure. So you might as well ask what's OK with her.

>>18174625
Jesus. H. Christ.

Have you seriously never held the hand of another human being in your fucking life? Not once? Not crossing the street? Your mom never did it for you?

>>18174625

Dude what happened to you.

Playful touching and flirting are part of the game man.

Touch a leg or just take her hand - you'll know pretty quickly whether or not she's receptive and after 7 fucking dates she likley will be.

Honestly bro - what's your malfunction? Were you molested as a kid or do you have a bunch of sisters or a single mother or something?

>>18174774
You aren't going slow. You're standing completely still.

>>18174943
>Apparently people just kiss each other no permisdion and shit.
>How do dudes do this?!?!

We operate off non-verbal queues. Listen, if a girl is 7 dates into this with you, she likes you. That means she most likely wouldn't mind if you held her hand or kissed her. I don't mean you immediately just go in and shove your tongue down her throat, but giving her a good night kiss on the cheek for a start isn't going to leave her feeling violated. And if it does, she should be devoting more time to therapy and less time to going out with you.

>>18174122
>7 or 8 dates
>never held hands
are you paying for all this?
either things would progress or she would call it off if she's not interested
you're being taken for a ride OP