Is Shota/Loli Dangerous?

I read a while back about "porn escalation". You find your quirky weird fetish, and as you consume more of it- You become bored of it. After awhile you'll want more interesting "F R E S H" kind of porn, maybe something more intense and real.
I read about a futa/shemale lover that actually went out and tried real shemales because his fetish was getting out of hand, and he regretted it.
I believe it could be a slippery slope, just like you said. It also could be some sort of... A call for help from your brain. Many people have weird fetishes over psychological issues.
In short, I'd suggest professional help to see if it's caused by something deeper in your mind, and just in general, it's pretty fucked up.

>>18138607

it is a slippery slope, but you will most likely ALWAYS maintain your attraction to adults. especially if your interests are wide to begin wtih.

>>18138607
4chan mods used to be relatively slow to what it is now, but there was a loli board where they evetually turned to the real stuff exchanging links, so moot shut it down.

It's a slippery slope.

TL;DR: it only becomes a problem if you let it be one, limit yourself, curb masturbation patterns

well anon, i don't know what to tell you, but i can tell you my experience wit shots & loli, and where i am today

i found loli when i was 17, have been jerking it to loli, as well as other fetishes:

bbw
thick
facesitting
traps
sometimes even some vore
etc

i tried shota, but that lasted few months before i got bored of it, i like loli A LOT now

i turn 23 in october and it makes me think sometimes, considering i have a girlfriend and we are thinking about kids in a few years,

flip side: my girlfriend is also into loli, and shota, however, i can tell her interest in loli is fading since she doesn't really seem enthusiastic about the loli doujin i send her anymore

now, i am all for loli, and i think it'll be something i fap to for a while in my spare time

i am also attracted to adults in real life, hence my girlfriend, and real life porn attractions.

i personally believe it will be a slippery slope if you let it be. way back when /b/ was filled with cp i made it a point to avoid those threads and I'm okay now

i think you should start to tone it down and bust nuts to the things, so instead of loli every other day, far to it once a week until you can find a better fap material

i say don't overthink it

>>18138684

calling something a logical fallacy doens't make it a logical fallacy anon.

>>18138684
I would've agreed if I wouldn't have presented actual cases of "slippery slope". I bet I can still find the forum where the guys confessed of the slippery slope, if you REALLY want to validate it

OP here. I guess I was hoping for people to tell me that it's fine, but it's understandable that it might be concerning.

Another thing why I find it difficult to give up is mainly because I like drawing it, mainly semi-lewds. And my other online artists friends try to convince me that it's nothing to worry about, and that i'll get over it, but worrying is what I do. I just want to draw without worrying.

>>18138607
It's only a problem if you have no self control. Some people are easily able to draw the line between fiction and reality.

>>18138746

you take comissions

>>18138755
too scared

>>18138607
Probably depends on why you like loli. I'm attracted to petite women(small boobs and slim) but no attraction to kids. If you're into the fact that they're children you should be careful.

Personally, most of what I find attractive in shota is an idealization that isn't actually present in real children. I actually find real kids kind of repellent. I don't think in my case there's any risk of a descent in that direction. There isn't anything a kid could have to offer that couldn't be done much better in every way by a consenting role playing adult with the right features, or by an idealized fictional 2d representation. But I really think fetishes vary person to person so it depends on you. I wouldn't worry too much, though.

Now, the possible legal repercussions of having loli or shota porn, that is a genuine concern in some places that should be considered.

Lolicon and shotacon are pedophiles in denial

Like waifufags who are just frustrated with women

Every thread starts off with lewds and devolves into "Little kids want my fat neckbeard cock inside them but fucking normies are brainwashed so they won't let me!"

>>18138607
Slippery slope can happen but is not at all guaranteed to happen, and to suggest that is fallacious.

>>18138607
Loli and shota are different from real kids. Real kids look fucking gross, lolis just look like cute tinier versions of normal anime girl.

Is it still shota if you want to be the little boy?

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I've been at it for years but it never escalated with me. I find real children to be rather repulsive.

The thread got pretty split. I guess I shouldn't worry about it too much.

>Now, the possible legal repercussions of having loli or shota porn, that is a genuine concern in some places that should be considered.
Yeah.

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I don't have any problems with it but people like >>18139727 that claim they're into loli/shota but not real children are totally full of shit and aren't fooling anyone but themselves.

I feel like that attitude of "oh im def not into real kids trust me" is even more dangerous than just admitting it to yourself, because it means you have spent no time learning how to control yourself when a kid comes into your life that you are attracted to. Maybe it won't ever happen, but you should still be confidant that you'll know how to behave if it were to.

Just be honest with yourself, and have clear boundaries that you're confidant that you will never cross.

>>18139952

Not that poster but i totally don't see that being the case. There are tons of weebs that like loli but are disgusted at rl pedophilia. I Think alot of the time its more of a body size/purity fetish. Anime children are nothing like rl kids imo. Sure there are pedos that like it, but im sure there are pedos that also like adult porn

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>>18139961
And I think each and every single one of them is a complete and total liar.
You can keep posting if you want, but I'm not changing my opinion on that.

>Anime children are nothing like rl kids imo.
The entire point of loli/shota is that they are representation of children. It's stylized, but that's still 100% what it is. There is plenty of art out there for size fetishists that isn't loli/shota. That's not what they're after.
They after the loli/shota, because they are pedophiles. That's the beginning and the end of it.

I just think that you're desperate to convince yourself otherwise because you think admitting to being a pedo automatically makes you a monster or something.

>>18139972
>>18139952
>I am the lorax and I speak for the trees
Unless you are a pedophile and you are trying to justify your addiction to wanting to fuck little kids by saying EVERYONE DOES. Then you aren't really a credible source for the OPINIONS that you are spouting.

That's like saying that people who enjoy rape play are rapists. Or that people who do BDSM are out there torturing random people. Obviously there are going to be pedophiles who like loli porn just like there are going to be pedophiles who don't like loli porn. However, YOU don't know what is going through their minds anymore than you know the reason why people are transgender. You can have opinions but that's it.

>>18139983
>Unless you are a pedophile and you are trying to justify your addiction to wanting to fuck little kids by saying EVERYONE DOES.
To be honest I saw this extremely pathetic deflection coming from a mile away. No, lazy man, you don't get to greentext "muh projection!!!" and throw the whole discussion out the window.

>That's like saying that people who enjoy rape play are rapists.
I will absolutely say that people who are rape fetishists are obviously more interested in rape to whatever degree than people who are not.
Not sure how you could possibly argue otherwise.

What I won't say and havent said is that rape fetishists ARE rapists. Because rapists have committed an actual rape in real life. Just like the difference between a pedo and a child molester.

It seems like you are basically saying that because you have no intention to actually rape a child, then you must not be a pedo.
Well good for you, but you are still a pedo.

>YOU don't know what is going through their minds anymore than you know the reason why people are transgender.
Idk why the fuck you're bringing WHY people are the way they are into this, i never said i have any knowledge of that.

What I said is that if you jack off to loli/shota, you are a pedo. You're attracted to drawn representations of children. You are a pedo.

>>18139952
>>18139994
Liking twinks and/or bears is gay. Let's say I'm talking 3dpd for simplicity
That doesn't mean the one who likes twinks lies about disliking bears as to not appear gay.

>claim they're into loli/shota but not real children are totally full of shit
You don't allow 'and/or' for loli and 3dpd, assuming everyone clueless liars, when it's trivial for one to visit infinitechan and get a sense for the boundaries of his taste.
That's the failure of your logic regardless of what anyone considers pedophilia.

>>18139727
This.

I like it for the taboo, same with incest. I'd never fuck an 8 year old just like I'd never fuck my own mother. But looking at sexy 2d drawings doing it is A-OK

>>18138607
18 year old here. I used to be in your position when I was 17, fapping to pregnant lol I until February 2016. Shota always seemed disgusting to me. after I made a thread on /b/ about my problem, I got unreasonably scared. ever since then I stopped fapping to loli until once 3 weeks ago. Even then I realized it started was because it was characters I had a crush on growing up and because of my pregnancy fetish. now the lowest cartoon/hentai age I go is 14 (where I live there's a 4 year age gap consent thing)

tl Dr as long as your willy isn't gardening to real children, just relax. just find other fetishes and stop fapping to it, you won't regret the change.

>>18139994
Actually I wasn't claiming that you were projecting. I said the exact opposite. Unless you are projecting (going against my belief that you aren't a pedophile) then you wouldn't be a credible source for the mindset of lolicons.

To give you an example. Lots of people like to claim that all white males are racist to some degree. While this could be supported by information, it also requires relying on mind reading. You can't know what every single white male thinks to make such a claim one way or the other.

You are taking your own assumptions and using them as justification to validate your opinion even though you don't have any real proof beyond "well it makes sense in my mind so it has to be that way in real life." You could ask real life lolicons but you won't know if they are saying the truth. Most pedophiles don't even know what lolicon even is. Lots of lolicons never end up looking for real child porn.

There are even people who are so deluded that they don't find real human beings attractive and only look at 2D porn.

The fact of the matter is that YOU personally have no basis of what the correct answer is.

>>18140018
>That's the failure of your logic regardless of what anyone considers pedophilia.
You haven't presented a counter argument. Just claims.

This is my argument:
Pedos are attracted to children and depictions of children. people that are attracted to loli/shota are attracted to depictions of children. People attracted to loli/shota are pedophiles.

If you are disgusted by shit, then you aren't going to jack of to a drawing of a girl covered in shit no matter how cute the artist drew her. The drawing will be disgusting to you, and you won't jack off to it.
If you aren't attracted to children, you aren't going to be attracted to a drawing of a child.

>That doesn't mean the one who likes twinks lies about disliking bears as to not appear gay.
Disliking bears doesn't make you not gay if you're still attracted to traps.
I said in my very first post, the one that you quoted, that maybe you haven't come across any real children that you're attracted to. You're still a pedo.

I think people just don't understand that their boundaries aren't 100% solid. They think that they must be 100% straight, and thus from their point of view traps are somehow not gay. But being gay doesn't mean you're automatically attracted to all men, and being pedo doesn't automatically mean you're attracted to all children. Maybe the kind of children you're attracted to pretty much only exist in drawings. That doesn't make you not a pedo because the point is you're still attracted to the basic concept of a child.

>>18140035
Are all furries sexually attracted to animals in real life?

>>18140035
Read the post again. The part where it says regardless of what anyone considers pedophilia.
>Disliking bears doesn't make you not gay if you're still attracted to traps.
That's the fucking premise, dipshit. You don't call those people liars.

>>18140033
Why would a pedo not be a credible source for the mindset of a lolicon?
You are aware that "lolicon" in japanese DIRECTLY translates to pedophile, right?

Of course the logic doesn't work when you're buying into the false dichotomy.

>To give you an example. Lots of people like to claim that all white males are racist to some degree. While this could be supported by information, it also requires relying on mind reading. You can't know what every single white male thinks to make such a claim one way or the other.
I don't think it requires any mind reading to say that everyone is racist to some degree. I think it is impossible to be a human and exist among humans and not be a racist to some degree, however slightly that may be.

However, that's getting off topic. I would like to avoid talking in metaphors and just talk directly.

>You could ask real life lolicons but you won't know if they are saying the truth. Most pedophiles don't even know what lolicon even is. Lots of lolicons never end up looking for real child porn.
I think this pretty demonstrates your confusion of the topic.

Looking up real cp has absolutely nothing to do with being a pedo. thats simply a choice you make, like a pedo making the choice to be a child molester or not. you can NOT make that choice, but you are still a pedo.

>There are even people who are so deluded that they don't find real human beings attractive and only look at 2D porn.
My opinion is that they are lying to themselves.
I can't prove it, but I'm comfortable about my opinion, and you aren't going to change it.

>>18140041
Yes, of course.

>>18140045
I'm calling them liars when they're claiming they're not gay.

My VERY FIRST POST said that maybe you haven't ever been attracted to a real child. I'm saying that is irrelevant and you should accept the possibility that maybe it could happen at some point, due to you being a pedophile whether you believe it or not.

>>18140051
>>You are aware that "lolicon" in japanese DIRECTLY translates to pedophile, right?

No it fucking doesn't. The word loli just means girl. Lying about shit does not help your already shitty argument.

What people don't realize about this whole fucking thread is that the slippery slope is a logical fallacy anyway. You can't just assume something will escalate with no evidence.

>>18139952
But I literally don't. Real kids have that... "kid face" "kid fat", I don't know how to put it, they just look unappealing and the very idea disgusts me.

Lolis just look like cuter more petite versions of normal anime girls.

>>18140051
>lolicon
You don't know what you are talking about.
Lolicon comes from Lolita which is a book about a adolescent girl who has a relationship with her step father.
That's like saying "bear" directly translates to gay man with body hair.
It's slang but its not a direct translation.

I thought it was usually that people got so enamored with 2D that they didn't even want 3DPD anymore.

Why would the opposite happen with loli and shota?

If you're attracted to certain features in 2d, chances are you're going to discover you find these features attractive in 3d as well.
Neither makes you a bad person, though, regardless of what society tells you. Just don't do anything harmful/stupid.

>>18138650
>I read a while back about "porn escalation". You find your quirky weird fetish, and as you consume more of it- You become bored of it.
What is Lack of Self Control for 500

Sexualized loli's are just that, sexualized women with tiny physiques. There's a lot of petite women out there with that same body type and normies who are attracted to it. It makes ZERO difference. That being said, don't confuse them for children because that shit is grosss. I started watching anime about, half a year ago and I'm able to make that distinction. My sexuality hasn't changed, I still jerk off to the same shit. Though, there are people like what you're worried about becoming, but that's their own fault in not being realistic. Like, I have a 2d girl I would LOVE to have as a wife: loyal, honest, supportive, cute. But, I don't go out and buy pillows of her, that shit is for retards. Instead, I see those are qualities are important to me, so I want to find in my future GF. That's realistic.

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Whilst *Fetish Escalation* is a serious problem, I don't necessarily see how Shota/Lolita could escalate into full-blown Paedophile.

Anime People contain NUMEROUS differences from real-life people.

#1: Most anime characters have IMPOSSIBLY large eyes (just look at the majority of Lolita/Shota character's)

#2: Anime people are designed to be more attractive compared to their real life counterparts, If an anime character is designed to be ugly it is noticeable (just look at the old guy from Osomatsu-san).

#3: LOLITA/SHOTA are DESIGNED to be attracted to, they have big eyes, rounded faces, and little-to-no skin blemishes.

So no.... Lolita/Shota is NOT dangerous (unless your attracted to the realistic shit, then you could be in paedo territory...)

Are you male or female? If you are one gender and are attracted to Lolitas/Shotas of the opposite gender then your fine.

If you like the same however...

>>18140727
>If you like the same however...
What happens.

>>18138650
I guess that just happens to some people.
I got into shota years ago, but it hasn't escalated one bit, in any direction. If anything, my interest has waned and my tastes are pretty vanilla today.
I think that porn escalation and drug escalation are both psychological problems that only apply to some people. I don't know the reasons behind, but they're clearly deep psychological problems (perhaps something to do with self-love, self-acceptance) which would otherwise manifest in other areas of a person's life.
The point is that if you happen to have such problems, you should be able to spot them and seek help, but I guess everybody knows this (somehow, however, a lot of people seem to prefer being miserable or addicted to weird shit)

>>18140727
This pretty much.
I went through a Shota/Loli phase in my fapping rotation, like with everything I got bored and I'm pretty much back to pure vanilla.

it can become dangerous because you could start looking for the real thing if you get bored of the drawn stuff. that happened to me and the guilt really gets to you. fortunately I sought help for my problem and now lead a healthier internet life. this may not be the case for you op. but it doesn't hurt to go see someone and talk about it before you go too far.

>>18138607
Depends on if it's baby/toddler loli, elementary school girl loli, or middle school girl loli.

>>18138607
Just don't man. Just don't.

>>18139994
You are so fucking stupid.

I love rape fetish stuff and rape play in bed, but it has crossed the line before when clear communication wasn't going on and it felt NOTHING like fun, consenting, sex.

I'm not talking physical pain, but mental. It scared the shit out of me and I honestly wanted to cry. Later I communicated what went wrong, but in the moment, the step too far was a clear and obvious one because it wasn't something I had in mind, and definitely not something I would have agreed to.

A rape FETISH is way more about dominence than actual RAPE. Rape is horrifying and will scar you, and real rape has very little to do with the fetish.

Cartoons, drawings, anime...those are fetishes. They in no way make you a fucking pedophile.

If someone looks at a child, a REAL child, and finds them sexually attractive, then there is something wrong and that person should seek therapy.

you got it fucking lucky
guy liking loli = death sentence
girl into shota = no one cares unless you're ugly

>>18139983
so true

>>18142763
What about girls who like loli.

>>18142773
probably same thing as guys who like shota
you're fucked x10000000

>>18142763
My wife doesn't seem to care about guys liking loli at all

>>18139668

So......like those who jerk it to MLP but not real equine smut?

>>18142864
That sounds like a pretty accurate comparison actually.

>>18142745

What about that Renaissance art?

>>18142877
Renaissance art is pretty realistic-looking so you're probably a pedo. Better old paintings than real kids though.