Girlfriend wants me to try drugs with her

>>18099058

I have never done drugs of any sort*

If you don't want to do it. Don't let her force you.

If this causes you to break up with her, good. You shouldn't spend time with someone who wants to force their own addictions onto you

>>18099063

Like I said, I'm not opposed to it. I don't have a strong opinion, one way or another. I just happened to never use drugs before in my life.

>addiction

Is it an addiction if it's two-three times a year?

>>18099058
Psychedelics (Shrooms, LSD) will make you feel emotions you've never felt before and see things from a completely alien perspective. You'll probably appreciate her more coming out a trip unless it goes bad, which is unlikely unless you plan poorly or you're not 100% sure you want to do it.

Drugs are a pretty interesting time, and also sometimes relaxing.
I'd recommend giving some a go throughout life, but not to excess. Unless you personally want to it's not a big deal.

Don't do any weird shit without smoking weed first though. Seriously. You don't wanna dive into a potentially bad acid trip without figuring out how to keep your bearings high first.

>>18099081

Baby steps then?

I've always sought out and maintained relationships with drugs. Occasionally dipped into abuse and addition with many, but as a whole I have a kind of overall dependence on access to altered states of mind.

I classify things socially acceptable and legal as drugs such as caffeine, nicotine, alcohol for example as well as things which are illegal. Generally if something is physically or psychoactive it can be described as a drug.

Why? I like to play with my mind and body I guess. I like to speculate on brain chemistry and see if I can reach a speculated state. I like things novel. I've my own morals and ethics relating to drugs and personal risk and I'm not concerned unless it would harm others. I'm not dissuaded by blanket proscriptive morality, prefer to make my own choice.

My girlfriend hates to be around most drug use or engage in drug use except sedatives, anxiolytics and maybe a little weed. She is extremely against most stimulants and psychedelics and her communicated rational is mostly illogical, but clearly relates to anxiety and just not enjoying those classes of drugs. I don't even mind dissociatives or deliriants for the sake of the experience and though enjoy might be going too far, I'm not as fervently anti as she is.

The problem with heavier drugs while in a room with somebody who is rejecting this behaviour is the feeling is there like a dead weight. It can become the focus of a trip, become magnified and unpleasant physiologically, depending on the substance and the person. Like at this point in my life I'd certainly not want to drop acid in a room with somebody who hates acid.

Anyway, your question. Certain drugs provoke a very strong emotional response. This shared experience can be quite profound. Certain drugs are great for sex. You'd want your partner in the same space. Certain drugs can make you very entactogenic and the connection with somebody you already love can be strengthened following 16 hours of pouring out your soul.

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>>18099058
This is how it all starts OP. It always begins just like this, with what you're doing - "I'll try it, just once too see what it's like, then I won't do any more". Six months from now you'll be injecting four marihuanias a day, broke and homeless, living under a bridge and sucking dicks to get the money to feed your crippling addiction.

>>18099083
Yeah basically.
But only when you're comfortable. I think it's kind of silly to go through life without being drunk and separately high at least once, just to experience being out of your usual head for a bit.
If you don't like it then don't let somebody pressure you into it.

>>18099093

>Certain drugs provoke a very strong emotional response. This shared experience can be quite profound. Certain drugs are great for sex. You'd want your partner in the same space. Certain drugs can make you very entactogenic and the connection with somebody you already love can be strengthened following 16 hours of pouring out your soul.

Could you name some of those drugs?

>>18099094

Kek, thanks for a laugh.

Could you remind me what show that was from?

>>18099097

I did get drunk a few times and every time I was a happy drunk who liked to hug people and chat with them and just general be all touchy feely. Which did come as a surprise to the people involved in those activities because I'm somewhat restrained most of the time, not really big on opening up emotionally.

>>18099058
She's dragging you down. Cut her the fuck off. You don't need to make your life worse to please someone else, my man.

>>18099105
>falling for the all drugs are bad meme

>>18099106
Nigga I'm falling for the not going down the path of drugs meme. Why risk fucking up your health and going to jail? The bitch ain't worth it if she's doing that shit, doubly so if she's trying to take your ass down with her. Fuck that shit, dude.

>>18099105

No, she's not.

Ill see you in the ER when you overdose, Op. Ill save a big needle just for you.

>>18099111
It's not like OP is going to go off and shoot speedballs and smoke crack

>>18099122

Apparently they think that my girlfriend is some junkie, who's just happened to hide her crippling addiction from me for the past 2 years, even while living together.

>>18099127
Nice strawman, faggot.

>>18099102
MDMA, 2C-B. I'm wary of giving people preconceived ideas, but can't recommend classic psychedelics for a first time unless you intend to do a lot of research and make a solid choice yourself because they can be so profoundly strange and challenging.

When I say strong emotional response I don't always mean a positive one and while usually there is a mixture of positive and negative moments and overall narrative and coming to terms with things even in the worst trip, again this doesn't always mean positive unless you've a very elastic definition.

Find one of the half decent websites or wikis devoted to psychonaughts. Usually you are limited to what you have access to.

Like I can say I felt disconnected and detached from time until the point where the passing of it stopped for me and I felt held in a moment. I was aware of forward motion and all the potential for positive choice within forward flowing regular time, but denied it for an isolated eternity until prepared to accept the potential for backwards motion as analogous to death and decay as preferable to being held forever, aware of but denied the chance to do anything positive or make active choices ever again.

Like this was a strong emotional response and reading it isn't the same as experiencing it and afterwards I was pretty shook up and distressed, but overall I was glad to have put myself through it because I wanted to, I made a choice, I lived with the consequences and I incorporated what I learnt into my overall personality.

It is kind of good to be incredibility thankful for being alive and being able to make choices, hopefully positive ones which impact the world around me in a creative and positive way while being aware of the entropy, death and decay inherent in having such beautiful choice and potential and being ok with that trade off because it is preferable to being held outside of it where you have neither.

So I clearly tripped part of the plot for Dr Strange like 8 years ago.

>>18099066
no it's not

>>18099058
shared experiences dumbass

she imagines you two being in your late 70's sitting down to breakfast at some po-dunk diner and her giggling, "remember that time we took acid and ended up sleeping in the backyard on a hammock" and you both smile and laugh at the crazy shit you did when you were young and dumb.

not remember when we were doing our taxes for the first time and we couldn't find box 7a for over an hour!

just do it fag or she'll leave you for someone more exciting

>>18099250

Just because I haven't done drugs before in my life doesn't mean I spend all my time in-doors and never do anything with my life except work, eat, sleep and repeat.

>>18099341
I work at a rehab center.

As long as you aren't doing opiates or amphetamines you'll be fine. Do mushrooms or acid. Maybe even extacy.

Take some acid and watch clouds with her.

>>18099250
lol weed lmao

drugs! so exciting :O xDD

you young, life short yoloyolo!! you gotta enjoy, you gotta climax!!!!

HAVE ORGASM

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COST

if you don't you're boring

BORING

WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR LIFE, NOT TAKING DRUGS AND DOING DUMB SHIT? ARE YOU NUTS? HAVENT YOU SEEN ALL THESE COOL AMERICAN MOVIES ABOUT COOL KIDS BEING COOL??? DONT YOU WANNA BE LIKE THEM????!??11

WEED
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Reminds me of my brother.

Girl wanted to try something with him once.
Saw him once after that, boney as fuck, he wanted money from me. I gave him, and he ran away.
Never seen him again after that. That was 10 years ago.

We are have big addiction genes in family, had big fucking problems only quitting caffeine - ended up switching to tea instead of coffee. Cant quit from porn either.

>>18099858
I enjoyed my time with my stoner gf to be honest.

>>18099882
Never touching hard drugs for same reason.
If I cant control my normal life, no point trying more addicting stuff.

>>18099907
That's your best bet. Most heroin addicts started with percs and moved from there.

I took like 4 one time and puked. It felt nice but nothing crazy. It was warm and carefree. But I never did it again because I puked black shit.

>>18099949
I've done an awful lot of different drugs and found opiates to be one of the least appealing personally. I've never persisted with them long enough to develop an addiction because I find them to have unpleasant effects which outweigh the positive ones as well as being very very boring.

Maybe I just prefer stimulants because methamphetamine and even amphetamines were far more habit forming and pleasurable for me.

Opiates were always like huh, I want that time back because I basically could do nothing and now I feel stupid because I've lost that time doing something hedonistic and unrelated to my life and goals. I think you've got to have a life you want to unrealistically escape from to develop an affinity for opiates which is not me.

Also the nausea, also the itching, also the horrible constipation. This has been with codeine, hydrocodone, tramadol, heroin, morphine, fentanyl and kratom. Out of all of these codeine (slightly stimulating) tramadol (inhibits reuptake of serotonin and norepinephrine) and kratom (very stimulating and lack of constipation) proved to be the most recreational.

If you do decide to use anything you should start small. Pot is not really expensive and relatively easy to get. Plus the high doesn't last much longer than a hour or 2.

Ultimately only do/use what you are comfortable with. If you really don't know much about the substance then read up on it. Different substances give different highs and since you only have had alcohol is why i suggest starting small.

If you don't have a familial history of schizophrenia, then everyone should try pot at least once. Same with hallucinogens.

Would I get into snorting oxys and shooting dope and poppin benzos? No, stay the fuck away.

>>18100005

Yeah, I didn't really plan on just diving into the deep and I don't think my girlfriend would be up for that either.

>>18100008

Nope, no family history of mental illness whatsoever.

>>18099058
Do it. You only live once.

>>18099993
How was heroine? Never gonna try this shit but I'm interested to hear stories

>>18100031
Only smoked and snorted it. Significant nausea which I only managed to suppress through concentration, faded eventually leading to about 3 hours of couch lock and feeling cosy. Wore off and left me feeling apathetic and pretty cold and gross.

>>18100045
Thanks man. Sounds kinda disgusting

>>18100010

Try it out man, you might enjoy it. I know after a long stressful week a joint on a Saturday night hits the spot. Life is hard for a lot of people, taking the edge off a little bit is only human nature. Like all things, moderation is key. You wouldn't wake up and pound back 4 shots of Tennessee Honey, that's alcoholism. People who wake up and NEED to take 5 bong rips are clearly addicted.


The mental health deal is just precautionary, I've heard stories of people who's schizophrenia was fast tracked by chronic marijuana use.


Ultimately though, it's your decision and I completely respect it if you want to stay drug free and your girl should respect it too. The whole "bringing us closer" thing is just stupid women talk, their brains work completely differently and they think of the darnest things. Best of luck in life, my friend.

>>18100078

She's not pushing it, she just wishes she could share that with me occasionally. Like I said earlier in the thread, she does it once every 5 months or so, so it's not like she does this often on her own and she didn't do it much before we got together either.

>>18099058
I would not recommend it. Not everyone is wired the same and some of the harder drugs like LSD fuck people over for life. Some people are fine, some are never the same again.

If she is pressuring you into doing drugs and it becomes an issue, you need to take a step back and re-evaluate what type of relationship you really have with her. That is not normal for a spouse to push another to do drugs with them.

>>18100082

Like all interests in life, you want to share them with people you love. Especially if you find them particularly enjoyable. I kinda misunderstood her stance on it I guess.

Oh and while I never experimented past cannabis myself, I've known ALOT of drug addicts and people who dabble in prescriptions pills, etc.

Stay the fuck away from them man. It's very hard to ruin your life smoking a joint here and there, it's VERY easy to ruin your life getting into harder drugs. If you are curious what a marijuana high is like I would be glad to explain it to you as vividly as I can. Once again, god speed!

on a side note what is the deal with reCAPTCHA today? Is it giving anyone else a hard time?

>>18100085

Oh no, if she was actually pushing this shit, I wouldn't even consider it. I just brought it up here because she smoked some weed about a week ago and it's been on my mind, I guess.

>>18100086

Yeah, no problem, I can clear up that kind of stuff if I don't come across clearly.

She's never done prescription drugs from what I know and I honestly don't think she'd lie to me about something like that when we know each other's much darker secrets, so to speak.

>>18100082
>She's not pushing it, she just wishes
That's pushing it. Women are not as direct as men and have the ability to manipulate to get their way in indirect ways that men do not typically do.

I've hung around tons of people who have done drugs all my life and I can tell you almost every single one of them was running away from something. Be careful. You sound innocent to this kind of thing. It's ultimately negative and if she feels like she wants it to 'bring you closer', that subtly says she doesn't feel close enough to you. I think she's attempting to deepen the connection with you through other means, which means there is a core issue going on that we do not know about.

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Drugs are BAD m'kay

dont let this rostie bitch into peer pressuring you into this trash, dump her a find a pure qt

>>18100096

>if she feels like she wants it to 'bring you closer', that subtly says she doesn't feel close enough to you

Ya, personally I completely agree with this simply because I know how women's fucking sick minds work. I was not playing when I said their brains work differently then men. I love women, and if you find a good girl hold onto her, but most women are down right nefarious with the way they manipulate.

I can't help but agree with the fact that this guy seems innocent and it would be a shame to ruin a good human being with drugs, but as long as it's just pot and maybe soft hallucinogens like psilocybin, I really see no problem with it.

To me, smoking a little weed is like drinking a beer. I would hardly call it a "drug" to be honest.

>>18100096
>she feels like she wants it to 'bring you closer', that subtly says she doesn't feel close enough to you. I think she's attempting to deepen the connection with you through other means, which means there is a core issue going on that we do not know about.

this

also the part in the OP where you said she only did drugs in your presence because of boundary issues is essentially saying that while high around other people she might cheat or do something else relationship breaking.

so she's not sure she's all in to this relationship is what I'm getting.

but it's not all bad, she's indirectly telling you and trying to work on it.

drugs are just a bad way to go about it

>>18100109
>as long as it's just pot and maybe soft hallucinogens
that's a slippery slope towards harder stuff. I know from personal experience and multiple groups who all started with just a bit of pot, then a little more pot, then regular use of pot, then hitting pot hard, then curious into other stuff, and then all down hill from there. this happened with numerous groups of completely different people I've known over a decade.

it's best to just stay away from it all. majority of those people ended up losers with dead-end jobs and a few died. not saying you'll die, but I have first hand experience of this thinking going down a bad road and it's best to just stay away.

I wouldnt do it op especially if you are both happy in the relationship. It could have unseen or unintended consequences

not worth the risk

>>18099058
Haven't you made this thread before?

>>18100096
>>18100109
>>18100117

Now you got me wondering, but I also have my own biased view on the situation. She isn't even the one who brought it up recently. Unless she's really playing some kind of long, long game, I don't think she's trying to manipulate me at all.

>>18100133

Nope, first time. Why, were there others who thought about trying drugs with their SO?

>>18100140
>Unless she's really playing some kind of long, long game, I don't think she's trying to manipulate me at all.
That's possible but also a thing I've learned about women over the years is that they're extremely complicated, to the point they at times lie to themselves and are confused themselves. I'm not trying to say it's some grand scheme, but it's possible she has convinced herself that she needs to add something to feel closer to you, which would mean she is most likely not in love with you but feels she should be because she can't find anything wrong.

Don't try to asses it too much with logic. Have a firm ground in what you're willing and not willing to do and see if the relationship is worth it.

>>18099058
I wouldn't. It just seems bad. If you haven't now then why start?

Essentially OP needs to weigh out his own life experiences and knowledge on his genetic predisposition to addiction or drug use and go from there. Trying weed once will not make you a drug addict, bad decision after bad decision makes you a drug addict. OP seems like a pretty decent human being however, and I think will be reasonable.

>>18099058
>why?
Because drugs are a fun experience and some can broaden your thinking a bit

That said the experience and recommendation changes dramatically depending on what drug you're talking about.

Weed is probably the safest and most common illegal drug, you're an adult so there's literally no risk.

Shrooms are a lot lot LOT weaker than popular culture would have you believe. You'll be spaced out and seeing patterns that aren't there but you're not going to hallucinate unless you take a heroic dose

LSD is actually legal currently in the form of 1P-LSD. Again: this is not like popular culture depicts. You may experience alterations of sensory information but you're not going to go catatonic while fractals explode in your brain. That's what something like salvia does.

Things that aren't hallucinogens typically have much more risk of harm or addiction. I really wouldn't recommend taking recreational doses of depressants or dissociatives. Stimulants can be fun but also have a variety of not-fun side effects.

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>>18100093
>Oh no, if she was actually pushing this shit, I wouldn't even consider it. I just brought it up here because she smoked some weed about a week ago and it's been on my mind, I guess.

Seriously? This is about weed?

If you've had alcohol you've had something more powerful and more dangerous than weed. You're worried about nothing.

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>>18099058
Drugs are for losers.
Winners don't do drugs.

>>18100085
>LSD
>harder drug

>>18099058
Just do it, dude. If you don't like it don't do it again and tell her that you don't want to. It's just weed not cocaine or meth.

>>18099058
Tell her to go to rehab...

It's always funny to me when people who must have taken codiene or morohine or propofol or gotten hammered act like weed is stronger or scarier

Propaganda sure does work well

>>18099843
Whats bad about amphis?

>>18101087
Weed becomes habit forming due to psychological dependence and slight (debated) physical dependence over a long period of time usually with people who smoke it constantly for years because it became a lifestyle and habit. This habit is hard to break, but weed doesn't immediately create this situation or life threatening withdrawals.

Psychedelics can't become physically addictive and the tendency to do them usually decreases except for a few who habitually use them because they enjoy the experience. However this is their personality more than the substance and will usually resolve itself pretty quickly.

Opiates become extremely physically addictive if you continue to do them and psychologically addictive to those who enjoy being anaesthetised against the world. I would argue that is kind of a niche thing and while popping a few pain pills in an evening to relax is a more functional addiction than a full time heroin addict waking up to a life of crime to stave off withdrawals it is also an easier addiction to deal with because they still have a a life to want to go back to.

Amphetamines on the other hand aren't great for passing the time because you are bored because they'll give you more time and greater energy and focus. They aren't great for anaesthetising you against the world because you are going to be awake and wanting to get involved in things. They aren't great for inward journey where you reflect upon and explore your own psyche as a synaesthetic soup of fantastic revelations and insightful connections because you'll just feel fucking awesome and very confident.

They pair well with functional life and they appeal to a better version of yourself you might wish to be. A person who is more socially confident and capable, a bit more aggressive who gets what they want, a person with more energy who gets things done and doesn't need to eat or rest as much.

Basically dopamine and norepinephrine release is awesome compared to being anaesthetised.

>>18101627
So the point is that usage can creep up on you much easier than it can with other substances because it is not difficult to reach the point of regular usage even if you have a fairly solid life which would usually inhibit regular drug use. The come down from them is pretty horrible as well alongside the memory of how great you recently felt which promotes frequent re dosing and because you feel great, are getting shit done, are really focused and have no desire to go to sleep you'll usually choose to do more amphetamines if you've got them.

Of course this is only my experience compared to other drugs. I'll also say that quite quickly the novelty of staying up for three days talking shit and feeling poisoned afterwards wore off and I stopped doing them though the comedowns were quite hard in comparison to other drugs and I can understand why some people will take more to avoid them.

I consider them a very functional class of drugs for getting shit done though and I'm not against them. All drugs are functional at the right doses and have pro's and con's and I'm not really against any drug though. The only thing I am against is drug abuse, most often as a form of escapism due to unresolved issues because I believe it is healthier for the individual and society to address the issues directly instead of having an abstract layer of self medication, criminality, social care, health care, criminal justice and morality. I mean, who benefits within all that really except a bunch of criminals, professionals, politicians and people who want to feel superior because they've got their shit together? The real victims are those around the drug addict such as their family and those who have to live and raise children exposed to the impact of it.

The whole drug use is degenerate/all drugs are bad meme. Responsible drug use is possible, much like how we don't ban alcohol because some people use it for escapism and develop addiction.

Oh wow, my thread is still alive.

I never really expected to get all these informative posts on drugs, so thanks.

>>18099058
ok op im to lazy to read this tread, but salvia is a very intense drug that only lasts a few minutes at most. its easy to get as its legal is most us states. ps babysit one another as it can make you do some weird shit. my friends and i have done a decent amount over the past few years and we've found it pretty much just makes you retarded. have fun drooling.

So i only tried a few drugs once each aside from weed.

try: weed, cheap and can make a lot of things fun even in low doses.

try: extasy/MDMA, makes you an outgoing charming extrovert for a few hours. But I have to say no after that because it feels like something I would love to be on all the time

try: Neuroenhancers like ritalin. e.g. at night it's basically hardcore coffein, it's impossible to feel sleepy until it wears off.

Only stick to weed, shrooms and alcohol. LSD can be fun, but getting good stuff is far too rare nowadays.

DON'T do pills or MDMA

>>18102888
MDMA is fine as long as you take the necessary precautions and have clean crystal shit. Staying away from pills is probably wise though.

>>18103053
No, MDMA is not fine. Ever. It fucks your natural serotonin, dopamine and norepinephrine processes.

>>18103089
It's negligible if you're only doing it once or twice a year

>>18099058
source

>>18103170
Keep telling yourself that, burnout.

>>18102888
Fake LSD isn't nearly as common as people like to think. The only one you really need to worry about are the NBOMe's and they're bitter enough to recognize and spit. I'd say it's worth the risk considering L is leaps and bounds more enjoyable than shrooms.

>>18099058
Ok. First of all anything other than cannabis is not "mundane". Which leads me to believe you don't know what that word means. And the fact this was posted for advice shows the sad state we're in. Seeking approval from strangers online to do drugs. HOLY SHIT!
How about this....don't do any drugs at all. You see, drugs are bad mmkay. And if you do drugs, mmkay....you're a bad person mmkay. So don't do drugs mmkay.

>>18103190

World of Wolfram.

>>18103292
1P LSD is also still legal in many countries, does exactly the same. Has the benefit of knowing the exact dosage and substance you're taking.

Tried acid twice. Fun, but not an experience I'd consider necessary to have.