Is black lives matter good or bad group to donate money too?

Er... I would say yes. But it may be more worth while actually taking part in their actions.

>>18052905
My sociology professor was reprimanded for saying they are a racist group.

>>18052896
They are funded by a billionaire already, they don't need donations.

>>18052922
Yea, that is known to be false. And even if that was true, seeing as many of BLM are radical Socialists, the Billionaires head would be detached from his body.

>>18052911
They are definitely not racists for the most part. I don't deny that there may be a few that are more so Black-Supremacists. But those are a real minority within BLM

its a good cause but the way some go about it is questionable

>>18052932
god aren't you a gullible fool

I actually do hope that you're a paid shill or a troll

>>18052932
>he thinks their ideology is actually more important than their source of funding


top kek. the whole fight is about gibs. if soros is giving them, why would they complain?

No, donate to politicians that support police reform

>yea that is known to be false
Jesus Christ, how is it possible to be this stupid? BLM (and antifa, for that matter) are funded by George Soros, which is why they stopped being as prevalent when they started making liberals look bad. Daddy Soros pulled that funding and all of a sudden they stopped pulling high profile shit.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/black-lives-matter-cashes-100-million-liberal-foun/

next time a white guy gets shot while sprawled on the ground with his hands up in surrender and no weapon then they can say something.

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>>18052896
> Donating to Black lives matter

I honestly could not say what the state of the larger organization is at this point, but I support standing up against police killing unarmed citizens and it's impossible to deny to that there's a racial component to who the people most likely to be killed in this manner are.

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>>18052954
>There's a racial component to who the people most likely to be killed in this manner are

>>18052939
I've marched with a NYC group. They are definitely Anti-Racist.

>>18052944
I am saying that he is not actually paying. and even if he was, he would be paying with fire.

>>18052948
Will never happen within this system.

>>18052950
They did say something when a white guy was shot by the police.

>>18052957
that graphic is a lie though. or rather, the label is.

>>18052957
This graph has literally nothing to do with what BLM is protesting.

>>18052949
If you look, the Soros funding would go to Democratic party and supporting institutions.

Also, I wouldn't trust that source too much, as it is owned by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church

Which is kinda a Cultish New Age religion, so...

Besides mny point still stands. Why would a billionaire support actual Anti-Capitalist movements when is is as Capitalist as you can get?

>>18052896
They're a racist hate group and you are an idiot.

>>18052971
BLM - No

Huey P. Newton Gun Club - No

Old Black Panthers - No

NBPP - Yes

NOI - Yes

5% Nation - Yes, sorta

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>>18052967
How about this?
>Inb4 muh deaths per million
If blacks didn't commit 50% of the crime despite being 13% of the population, they wouldn't be as likely to get shot/arrested by police.

>>18052973
why the fuck are you asking the question then ? go donate to your terrorist organization and stop trolling

>>18052982
I'm not the one asking. I'm just saying that you are fundamentally wrong with calling BLM a Terrorist Group or Hate group

>>18052968
Because they create chaos, and he (and everyone else outside of the people in these anticapitalist groups) knows that capitalism isn't going anywhere. Had Hillary Clinton won, these groups wouldn't be rioting and destroying shit, because they wouldn't have the funding to do it, because Soros would have no need to try and destabilize things.

>>18052986
These anti-capitalist groups were active during Clinton. During Bush. During Obama. And they sure as hell would been active during HRC.

Because, heres a novel idea. They don't answer to fucking anyone.

>>18052974
And yet again, still nothing to with what BLM is talking about because this says nothing about how many of these people were unarmed and unjustly killed.

Not doing a great job of trying to make your point.

>>18052896
you should probably donate to some medical research foundation

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>>18052896
>>18052922
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>>18052957
>>18052971
>>18052974


Thank you for your contribution to the official /pol/ outreach program. We appreciate your donation of top quality, serviceable bait.

With enough bait we will have the power to bait the entire nation into completely embracing the "EVERYONE WHO FIGHTS FOR THINGS I CANT RELATE TO ARE HATE MONGERS" meme.

Slowly but surely the rift in our nation will be torn asunder, one homemade graph at a time.

Can't stand them. They are incredibly biased, they lie, manipulate, bully, and twist the facts in order to get their message across.

Turns out, the way you communicate your message is just as important as the message itself. Fuck BLM. There are better ways to do what they try to do.

>>18053080
Eh, just about everyone does that these days.

Not defending them, but its not something new

>>18053080
when did they lie and twist facts?

>>18053085
When they said white privilege exists and when they said all trump supporters are racist and when they said michael brown was murdered.

>>18053089
who is "they"?

citations are needed

>>18053093
members of that group and its all over the internet just google it

>>18053096
Link me posts or tweets from their official twitter or facebook saying these things

because i can easily find a trump supporter saying all niggers should hang. so by your logic that would mean all trump supporters actually are racist.

>>18053089
White Privilege is definitely a thing.

Alot of the die hard Trumpists are, but they never said all of them are.

And the Michael Brown is still kinda iffy, given the whole circumstances of the incident. Though that isn't the focus any more. They more or less moved past him onto just general State violence.

>>18052896
No. They are a racist/hate organisation. Despite what an individual within it claims or what information you found out about it on Tumblr says. Their actions speak as to their nature and those actions have been hateful and racist, actually often they have been overtly violent. Not to mention their initial creation is based on misinformation, lies and non-existent notions.

>>18053108
>White Privilege is definitely a thing.
Please explain how you could even begin to consider it existing. Also explain how you group everyone with white skin (most of which are outside of the U.S) into one flawed notion.

>>18053108
If white privilege exists how come R Kelly has more money than me?

>>18053124
You seriously don't think that there are more social situations where being white works to your advantage than there are for non-whites?

>>18053124
>Please explain how you could even begin to consider it existing.

Cliven Bundy and his pals (white) can trespass on federal land for months, remain armed, literally threaten the cops while pointing guns at them saying if they don't fuck off they'll get shot and no one dies.

Walter Scott (black and unarmed) gets stopped for a brake light, starts running from the cop and is shot in the back. And then planted a taser next to him and lied about what happened. And got away with it.


Explain how the fuck you can DENY it exists.

>>18053128
Tell that to beyonce, kane and lebron and obama and oprah

tell that to the blacks that dont get mugged because people think they are poor

tell that to the poor whites who get targeted for robbery because they are assumed by black and latino criminals to be rich because of skin color

>>18053089

>When they said white privilege exists

It does.

>when they said all trump supporters are racist

Here's what we can deduce from the facts of his campaign and his first few weeks in office; Donald Trump may not be racist but racism, at the very least, doesn't bother him that much.

Trump supporters balk at the claim that they are racist but time and time again have shown, at a bare minimum, a basic complicity with racism. They may not have done anything racist themselves they had no problem waving flags for ones who do.

Racism is a very funny thing these days because while the days of hardcore segregation, KKK marches through the center of town and weekly lynchings may be over the public at large has shown a very weak effort in fighting against the racism that is left.

They give themselves a pat on the back for not actually doing or saying anything racist themselves but have no problem excusing or rationalizing the racism of others if it contributes to a greater goal or cause that they hold to heart.

>said michael brown was murdered.

I think the problem with white america, as a whole (I know your knee-jerk is to get pissed off when you hear that term but hold up) is that they only see the straws that break the camels back, not the millions of straws underneath it.

For hundreds of years, police violence against blacks went unreported and unnoticed in lower income areas and rural parts of our country. For hundreds of years judges refused to convict people for assaulting blacks, papers refused to print stories about them, and the public as a whole was happy to live their lives oblivious to it so long as it didn't end up on their doorstep.

Now that we've reached the internet age everyone likes to pretend like blacks are flipping their lids because of one death or one bad cop or one news story and that just isn't the case. Blacks have been experiencing events like Michael Brown for centuries, this is just the first time you're seeing it.

>>18053140
I don't think actually understand what the concept of what privilege is about. I'd suggest you educate yourself before claiming that it is baseless.

>>18053124

>Please explain how you could even begin to consider it existing. Also explain how you group everyone with white skin (most of which are outside of the U.S) into one flawed notion.

Its statistics. The United States economy was built by whites, specifically to benefit whites. I'm sorry that gets under your skin. I'm sorry if it makes you feel like a victim but its a factual, undeniable truth. If you do the research.

Generational wealth, land ownership, the opportunity to start businesses, get loans from banks etc., were all privileges only afforded to whites during the industrial revolution. Blacks weren't allowed to start railway companies or telecommunications or shipping or logging etc.,

All of those companies were started by whites. When they died they handed their wealth down to their children and their children and their children until you have the America you see today. Wonder why so few blacks own giant multinational corporations? They did not have the resources nor the legal rights to do so when the United States was still an untouched land of opportunity.

Up until the 1950's it was still legal in many states to deny home loans to blacks because their presence in the neighborhood would "lower property value".

In my own state, of Oregon, blacks were annexed from a large part of Portland to build many of the bridges, towers and major waterways you see today. They were forced into low income areas because their homes and property that they previously inhabited were needed to construct major industrial operations owned by, you guessed it, all whites.

The same thing happened all over America. It is a fact.

So please, we can debate the ins and outs of white privilege all you want but you need to do your research.

>>18053140
>>18053124

If your test group is two people, the statistics won't make sense. Any one person can be better off than another, we're talking about blind statistics. Its comparative of a giant test group.

>>18053169
Bullshit its not meant to be a white country idiot. Jim Crowe and Slavery arent the constitution and bill of rights.

>>18053182

Everything I said was historical fact that you can look up yourself. I know its popular to pretend like we all had equal footing to make a name for ourselves in this country when it was young but historically, that isn't accurate.


>Jim Crowe and Slavery arent the constitution and bill of rights.

You say that with such conviction yet you seem to have a very striking ignorance of the history of our country.

Our constitution was drafted in 1787 yet slavery didn't officially end until 1865. For nearly 100 years our constitution stood proud and strong as a beacon of our judiciary system while slavery continued and the people who wrote it and enforced it allowed it to continue and participated in it.

Maybe its nice for you to pretend like the people who wrote and protected our constitution didn't support slavery but they did. Our constitution was complicit in it.

Some Jim Crowe laws were still on the books as recent as 1965. Thats only 50 years ago. Yet you want to sit here and try to draw some hard distinction between racism and our constitution as if the two didn't go hand in hand for hundreds of years?

Please. Do some research. You'll be better for it.

>>18053200
The constitution wasn't written about slavery yes it was legal but that's like saying a gay marriage proposition is about weed.

>>18053213

>The constitution wasn't written about slavery yes it was legal but that's like saying a gay marriage proposition is about weed.

This sentence didn't make any sense.

>>18053216
Yes it does you just dont want to listen to opinions that dont conform to yours

>>18053228

>Yes it does you just dont want to listen to opinions that dont conform to yours

I'm very willing to listen to opinions that don't conform to mine but in order for me to listen to those opinions they have to be worded in such a way that another human being is capable of understanding it.

I have no idea what you were trying to say in that sentence. I have no clue how my point is at all comparable to saying "gay marriage is about weed". That doesn't make sense to me.

If you'd like to reiterate as to exactly what your point is I'll be glad to read it and respond to it.

Also, in this context, we need to differentiate fact and opinion. The historical events and details I presented about the economic growth in our country during the industrial revolution and post civil war era are facts. Any economist with even a brief knowledge of race economics in the post civil war era will know exactly what I'm talking about. Those items we cannot debate because they are empirically true and verifiable with even a modest amount of effort and research. We can debate about their impact or their implications of social constructs at the time but we cannot debate their existence. I form my opinions on facts and so should you.

>>18053241
>Acting as if Jim Crowe outlawed 55 years ago is the reason why blacks of today are living off welfare and killing each other.

>>18052896

Depends on how much of a race baiting jew you are.

If you can profit from convincing everyone that other races are out to kill them, so they should kill other races first, then use that to convince other races that this particular race is killing them so they need to kill first. Basically, everyone but the kikes gets D+C'd because you have stakes in media sales and pushing confirmation biases onto people, then sure.
It's one of the best jewvestments you'll ever make.

Ethically though? Nah, it's just more-baiting bullshit.

>>18053257

In order to understand the world we live in today you need to understand how it was created.

Basic psychology and all available studies and statistics show that the highest indicator for crime is poverty, not race. If we're going off of science here, we can safely assume, with the data provided, that if you make someone desperate enough they'll do anything, even crime.

The fact of the matter is, much like my example in Portland, blacks in many cities were shuffled around through various government programs and housing initiatives to make way for industry to grow in those areas. Manhattan is a prime example of how booming industries take run down areas, kick out the low income tenants and renovate it into high end real estate. Gentrification is the common term.

So, you want to ask the question why blacks today are living in ghettos killing each other. Ok. Do you know why they're in the ghettos? How they got there in the first place?

More importantly, do you honestly think that after hundreds of years of economic oppression that 55 years is all it takes for an entire subsection of people to regain their footing in economic landscape? We're not even two generations separated from a time when it was legal to deny someone a loan based on their skin color and your idea of addressing that disparity is to say "It was 55 years ago, get over it"?

The fact is, historically, empirically, blacks were specifically made poor. The white politicians and business owners of the time feared a world in which blacks gained any sort of financial or economic dominion over whites so they created a system that ensured that a great number of them would remain poor.

Post civil war America was a mess. Former slaves and refugee blacks wandered aimlessly trying to build a life in America and their attempts at claiming a piece of American wealth terrified whites at the time.

To understand now you have to understand then. You have to think deeper than what you see now.

>>18053299
Stop it with the liberal BS they need to be personally responsible for their drug dealing and rapes and murders.

>>18053310

>Stop it with the liberal BS

I'm just stating history. You wanted an answer to your question and I'm trying to provide a broad answer. Its very easy for you to say "take responsibility for your actions" but if you expound that argument to everywhere you essentially ask people all over the world to make a choice they were never given.

You can argue personal responsibility all you want but you cannot argue statistics. The problem with people like you is they don't want to get out of their own skin long enough to really contemplate the why of social issues.

Imagine if you are a poor person, of any color, in any poor neighborhood. Your family is poor, your friends are poor, your school is falling apart and has barely enough resources to give you books much less provide you with opportunities to excel.

Your family is starving, uneducated, and you have to choose between either attempting to get an education and eventually turn that education into a possible opportunity to help better yourself or going out on the corner, selling drugs and making money to feed your family today and now.

Thats the situation that a lot of these people are put in now. Thats the whole reason the italian mob was created in the 19th century; poor, desperate immigrants were presented with a choice, either break the law and feed your family or starve and struggle. The choice was easy for them, and if you were in that situation it would be easy for you too.

You want to fix the crime? Fix the poverty. Build schools. Build community centers. Hire teachers. Pump money into daycare and sexual education and health services and rehab facilities. The thing is I don't think you want to fix the problem, you just want to say "Take responsibility" and treat the symptoms like the disease.

>>18053352
Make a choice they were never given? Why do you need to rape someone if you are poor? You are retarded stop getting your info from Al Sharpton.

>>18053364
Interesting. The guy is presenting a valid argument. But it goes against your views, so it obviously is wrong. Though you still can provide a counter arguement

>>18053364

Did you read my entire post or did you just stop reading at the phrase that pissed you off and lose your shit?

The basic premise of my entire argument is that from the very start of slavery, America purposefully created a desperate, poor, marginalized group of people through laws and other tactics.

After the civil war every attempt at colonizing any part of America was met with raids, murder and lynchings. KKK members would raid black settlements in the middle of the night, rape, murder, set their homes on fire and then drive them off into some other corner of the territory. This was the rule of law for many many years. Blacks during that time knew only fighting and violence and to protect their small communities with severe aggression because, in essence, it was the only way to survive.

For example, The Rosewood Massacre of 1923. The N.Y. Draft Riot of 1863. The Colfax Massacre 1873. The Red Summer Riots of 1919. All incidences of blacks being killed in massive numbers simply for trying to inhabit white cities.

Finally, after the justice system began to acknowledge the violence that was being inflicted upon the black community the law still prevented them from owning businesses, taking out loans, or at all furthering themselves in any financial sense.

Now, after hundreds of years of pummeling black communities with violence and aggression and brutality you are now wondering why they're so angry whenever a white man walks through their gates?

America created the uneducated, crime-riddled communities you see. They created a monster and now they don't want to take responsibility for fixing it because pumping money and resources into those communities would be fueling the "entitlement class".

You can sit an insult me all you want but the only one who seems to be providing any historical facts or information to support their claims is me.

>>18053390
How does this matter in 2017? Other peoples decisions are not our business. Racism is an individual concept.

>>18053408

>How does this matter in 2017?

Like I've been saying this entire time, in order to understand the world we live in today you have to understand where we came from. You have to understand why we are where we are and what decisions brought us here. None of what I'm saying is going to make any sense if you don't have a basic understanding of the history of America. There are many many different versions of the story of America and in order to understand it you need to see it from everyone's eyes, from the whites and the blacks and the native americans and the immigrants; everyone.

It matters because the world you see today is a direct reflection of the decisions that brought us here.

>Other peoples decisions are not our business. Racism is an individual concept.

And that is the reason why America is so split today. Americans want to pretend like today is the only day that matters and that we still aren't experiencing the after affects of what happened in the past.

Racism is not an individual concept, it is a daily reality for thousands of people and communities all over the country. You may not see it but it is here. Racism was an integral part of the foundation of this country. This country was built with racism right at its very core and now that we've slowly been able to overcome some of its affects you want to pretend it never happened and that isn't the answer.

Other people's decisions are our business because while no one alive may be responsible for any of the massacres or pain and suffering that was inflicted hundreds of years ago we are responsible for addressing that pain and taking steps to right what was wronged.

Pretending like it didn't happen only makes the rift between races, cultures and economic groups that much wider.

Maybe you don't feel any sort of duty to make the world a better place but I do, and I feel like understanding where we come from and embracing the pain that created our country, not ignoring it, is a key to that.

>>18053435

The last thing I'll say is that our country has two problems; an education problem and an empathy problem. The first problem hinders us greatly because when talking about a shared goal a great amount of us are not intelligent enough to make comparative analysis between where we want to go and where we came from. If you don't understand the history of America you won't understand the inherent pain, suffering, resentment and loss that many paid as a great price for creating the nation you see today.

The history of America is a very very sad, painful one. You have to understand that the centuries of suffering that many endured for the sake of the American dream has not disappeared. Its still here and its affecting us today.

Our empathy problem is the reason we can never make any headway. We've grown as a nation into an us vs. them culture. Not only can we not agree to anything we can't even agree that the grievances of the other side are legitimate. Whites can't understand the grievances of the minorities because they've never experienced it and vice versa. If the only thing you have to compare the legitimacy of someone's life experience to is your own life experience then its no wonder we can never come to common ground. It'll never click. You'll never see what they see and starting the conversation off by telling them the things they experience aren't legitimate is inherently damaging.

This is bigger than statistics or crime or race. This is basic human empathy; the idea that as a culture we cannot survive the test of time if we don't care about each other or at the very least respect the legitimacy of each other's differences.

Know your history. Start giving a shit. Thats the key.

Native American lives matter!!!!

Its racist to call them indians... they dont even eat curry or worship elephants.

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>>18052974
Some quick research shows that only counting police killings against violent offenders shows negligible disparity (0.004%).

>>18052896
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Take a few minutes, watch this, and tell me BLM is useful in anyway whatsoever.

BLM is just an excuse for violent blacks in shitty areas to be violent.

It's not a "movement" it's racist cancer

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>>18053676
FORGOT LINK GOD IM WHITE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5LeFo1EJU&index=85&list=LLSLT0Wih3xWoKpMbg7H_ivQ&t=190s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI5LeFo1EJU&index=85&list=LLSLT0Wih3xWoKpMbg7H_ivQ&t=190s
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