Marriage in the U.S.

There is a barrier preventing you two from leaving each other when you get bored, and if you mutually respect each other, you won't cheat on each other.

A girl left her man that she was living with for 7 years to get with me once, because it was easy and no hassle. If you make the escape route easy, then someone's gonna be tempted to take it.

Tax breaks.
Small things (or not so small in the moment) like it being easier to see each other in the hospital. Additional small legal rights like that.

I get how you feel. I'm female, and I love my bf of 6 years, but there doesn't seem to be any real reason to get married. While the non-legal part of the wedding (a little ceremony of commitment) sounds cute, I fucking hate weddings overall. Still having one. Still getting legally married. There isn't any real reason for us not to, some benefits if we do, and a big party with gifts n' shit in the meantime.

If you're afraid she's going to steal your kids, your house, your dog, and your money, obviously don't. But if your relationship is good and/or you're willing to do a prenup, why not?

>>18035214
Basic psychology states otherwise, that more people now have a phobia or gain stress more readily from being tied to a commitment, hence the divorce rate skyrocketing over the last several decades, and the cohabitation numbers going up along with it. Sluts are sluts whether they are married or not.

>>18035219

>doesn't know enough about basic psychology to know that expert know they don't know anything about basic psychology

Everyone is different, so who knows, this faggot >>18035219 could be right.

But between my friends who are married and those who are not, there is a big difference in willingness to work things out. Close friend is working through some relationship problems right now, and there is 0 practical reason not to divorce. No kids. No joint bank accounts. No co-owned anything. Just "wants to make the marriage work." Sometimes thats a shitty trap that keeps people in bad relationships. Most of the time it forces people to accept responsibility and saves them from being single/dating for eternity.

Here are some things to consider that I don't often see brought up.

You can participate in whatever types or parts of marriage you want. You can have the rings, ceremony, wedding, exchange of vows, religious element, honeymoon, traditon, call eachother husband and wife, etc without the legal aspect.

A prenup is probably better than none, but keep in mind that prenups only cover assets that PREDATE the marriage, not anything accrued within it. Prenups can also be thrown out by a judge.

You can give your hospital visitation rights to whoever you want. It takes only about a page or two of paperwork. You don't have to be married.

>>18035217

prenups protect pre existing assets. the point of getting married is that all property you get from there out is now joint property. prenups dont change that

>>18035280

it can extend relationships for sure but hard to say they make them last forever.

>>18035295
Oh and another thing. Common law marriage might be a thing where you live. You and your SO might be defacto legally married if you meet certain requirements. Know the laws in your area.

>>18035303

keep in mind that common law marriages arent taken as seriously as legal marriages, and most women aren't willing to actually go after a man they see as 'breaking up with' as opposed to divorcing.

>>18035208
if you had some legal protection from the negative nature of women I would get married but thanks to 50 years of feminism you have no protection from that. Women can cheat on you and she is still entitle to your assets in marriage. also women are protected by martial rape laws and she is not obligated to give you sex at all in marriage. If you leave her for that then you are punished and she is entitle to your assets. If you want to enter the meat grinder in marriage then be my guess but I am telling you that marriage is not even a worthy sacrifice. One last thing divorce courts and divorce lawyers are going to want to make money out of you as well. you are going to lose a lot in marriage.

>>18035208
Marriage is an agreement that makes sense. It is basically an insurance on your relationship.

You're obligated to provide for each other - financially, practically, emotionally.
In case you break up, you still get some level of protection.
For example, I wouldn't leave my job to take care of my boyfriend's kids, but I would for my husband's kids.

Also - you get access to benefits. You're a family, legally, and you get the legal, financial and social benefits that a family gets.

Why is it that in these threads, it's like 95% women arguing in favor of marriage? Is it because if things go south, they are the only ones who benefit?

>>18035360

Why is it so many men are shit at picking women and then whine about it when they get burned by their own dicks?

Apparently there are 1400 legal benefits to being married in the US.

>>18035360
I am >>18035353.
I don't honestly want to get married, I don't see the point right now. If one day I will, it will be mostly for the financial benefits (taxes) and because I have more rights as a wife than I do as a girlfriend in case something happens to my SO, but it's not a concern right now. I also make more than my boyfriend, own the house we live in and if we got married I have everything to lose.

But - both men and women gain something from marriage, and from relationships in general. Otherwise they wouldn't just get into it.
A woman who works doesn't get anything from divorce, at least where I live - partners split their goods, and that's it. So alimony is a thing just for housewives.
As a man, you surely gain something from having a housewife - your partner agrees to take care of you, your kids and your house: you have someone to do those works for you instead of paying someone for it/doing those things yourself. Alimony is the other side of the coin - you provide for your family and your house financially, she provides for your family and your house practically.

Child support, again, is another thing - it's about the kids, it is not about the woman.

>>18035381
>Shit at picking women
I've read enough stories about how people will be together for 7+ years, even have a child, and then the wife all of a sudden "loses interest" in the husband and divorces him. I don't know why women "losing interest" out of the blue after years of being in a relationship is so common, but it's enough to turn me off to the idea of marrying my gf.

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>>18035360
because marriage is a great deal for women she gets your resources in a divorce and later she is free to ride the cock carousel again.


narcissistic cunts are even marrying themselves because they wasted their youth riding the cock carousal and no guy wants them.

http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a8507112/marrying-yourself-wedding-trend/

>>18035419

Eh, at 6 years with husband I can understand being bored as fuck. But I think maybe those women don't understand that that's just life. I also think they like to blame their own shortcomings on being "held back" by their men even though they could go for their goals at any time. So there's that. I realize that there isn't a really good predictor for this, other than women who do that are going to tend to be the type with no initially obvious life goals who suck at accepting responsibility in general. I'd say women with strong goals they articulate early and often are less likely to do this, since going in you both get a feel for how important the relationship is relative to those goals. Women who are drifting through life, wake up at 35 realizing they are wasting their life, and want to be "fulfilled" with minimal effort see leaving their husbands as the first step to some kind of eat pray love bullshit instead of developing goals and evaluating them in context of the relationship/communicating about them. Because developing goals and meeting challenges is hard, and being pretty is easy, and they thought the latter could get them through life. Then they have buyers remorse but lack the skills to do anything else. So they just repeat it. Good, fuck 'em.

Idk, doesn't change the fact that a lot of women are like that and a lot of them aggressively pursue marriage. So yeah, it's not a great situation. But it's also not 100% mysterious.

>>18035422

As for this overposted graphic, have a rant nobody asked for.

Nobody asked for this rant, but here's why men who think marriage is a conspiracy to steal their shit are just shit at choosing women.

Men created a society where women were supposed to please men instead of joining society as equals. While a scant few women broke out of this, most didn't. Some of the ones who broke free are like "yo, sucking dick for a roof over your head is lame. Come invent shit and be yourself." this is awesome, even for men, because eventually there are now women a man can actually talk to because she's not damn illiterate. Society now has the potential for twice as many workers, twice as many great thinkers, twice as many great artists. But some men are feeling really insecure about an "inferior" group suddenly competing with them in the workplace. So they promote the idea that women can't do it. Which may or may not be true, no objective data. Point being, men stay nostalgic for "good women" who are more into pleasing men, and incentiveize it by picking them and being willing to provide. Some women realize it's easier to doll themselves up, snag a man, and leech off of him than it is to go to college and work harder to get paid less. So they do that instead, even though it's morally inferior to growing as a person. So they're already more interested in having an easy life than accomplishing anything. But these women come off as more datable, especially to young men, and are more obvious and vocal in the dating game than women who have other priorities. So instead of marrying an equal or near-equal who can earn money, hold a damn conversation, and develop principles, men go for the women who preen specifically to attract men and nothing else. So yeah, they're cunts but in the end you played yourself as a gender.

>>18035419
my theory is that women leave these perfect husband because they lack more masculinity.


"I am currently dealing with several of these great husbands. They are, across the board, respectful, quality, caring, devoted, cherishing, authentic, and supportive guys whose wives have left them for a different kind of man."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/randi-gunther/marriage-advice_b_5666990.html

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>>18035445
>marriage is a conspiracy

we don't think marriage is a conspiracy we think marriage is slavery just look at the statistics. if you get married you have to work more hours, do more handy-work around the house, have less free time with your friends, have less free time on your hobbies and becoming a slave to a mortgage/wife. Also on top of that you have to deal with the legal consequences of marriage. Who in their right mind would get married unless you are a female who gets to pussy whip his husband in marriage.

US marriage is nothing but a barcode stamp.

The religious ceremonies, the speaking of vows, the signing of a physical contract; all of this shit gets thrown out the airlock and replaced with the court of family law.

I have been beaten into lucky-to-be-alive state repeatedly by the family law court, and I am a virgin spending my life alone in an empty room. Let this sink in before you become one of their committed subjects.

>>18035497

Marry a more self-sufficient woman who is with you because she loves you and you enhance each others lives instead of marrying a woman who has no life and is expecting you to provide her with one.

>>18035507
>Got married
>Virgin
You actually married someone you weren't even with long enough to sleep with?

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>>18035208
If ya like it ya need to put a ring on it.

Stop wasting the woman's life and decide. Either you want to be with her or you don't. Shit or get off the fucking pot.

>>18035497
>if you get married you have to work more hours, do more handy-work around the house, have less free time with your friends, have less free time on your hobbies and becoming a slave to a mortgage/wife.
You know that you can marry a woman who you actually ENJOY being around, right? And if you live alone, you're spending twice the amount of time doing housework and maintenance because you have to do it all on your own, instead of sharing it with your wife. That means even less time for friends and hobbies.

It's good for raising kids and you get wicked cool tax breaks. It's also a status symbol, especially if your partner is cool and not publicly sleazy.

>>18035515
>>18035528
Oh, and this is a very good point. If she wants a monogamous (or supposedly monogamous) relationship until death, then marriage is the only thing that makes sense to her, and depriving her of this is not a good idea for you.

>>18035528

Oh oh! This!
It's really cool to be able to say someone is your wife when you're proud of them.

There is obviously societal subtext to shit.
After a certain age, having to call your SO your girlfriend/boyfriend makes you look like you're childish and can't commit, or like you don't have long relationships. Even if everyone knows you two are long-term, it's weird.
Partner makes people assume you're gay.
Wife/husband might not be as sexy as gf/bf, but it lets people know immediately the extent of your relationship.

>>18035515
Nope. It's not nearly that simple. Not in the US, anyway. Women are too wishy washy. They're fine for a while and then decide that they are bored with you and need to try some new cock. The US' marriage laws make the risk not worth it.

>>18035540
I agree with this as well. There's nothing wrong with those divorced guys who don't want to get married again, but it is sort of humiliating to be one of those women who keeps talking about their boyfriends when they would obviously rather be married.

>>18035531
That onesided demand of marriage with the subtle threat again, surprise surprise.

Been on /adv/ since it was created and I haven't seen an original idea yet. The purpose of this board was to leech the relationshit out of /r9k/; all it did was spread it around.

>>18035545
That's why they created this thing called a prenuptial agreement.

>>18035548
Foolish. I have absolutely no stake in you being married or not. I'm just pointing out the facts, and you're not liking them.

Of course it's not an original idea. I'm speculating on what some people in your life are trying to convey to you. If you don't want to hear our feedback, then fuck off. Maybe get a good night's rest and trying thinking about this again.

>>18035548
And before you call me r9k, I would like to point out that I am talking about social contracts whereas you are talking about women being "wishy-washy American women," which obviously makes you the more r9k one here.

>>18035208
Sorry to tell you. If you live together you're probably already common law.

You're still giving her half your shit

>>18035550
99% of prenups mean nothing.

If you've got thousands of EXTRA dollars to blow on a lawyer AND your fiancee has no bad intentions whatsoever, then you can slowly and carefully craft a valid agreement while every single relative is screaming in your ears.

The limitations of prenups mean they can't do what 99% of men would want them to do. You're still stuck paying for someone else's baby, and you still can't lawyer your way out of it unless your lawyer is worth more than the judge.

Lawshit here, there have been opposing champions in the same office hallway as me who's clients have been armtwisted into paying up. If you're poor they threaten to incarcerate you; if you're successful they threaten to take away your right to have a career.

My own brother is paying for a baby he didn't father, until it's 25 years old. Just like you guys he thought he was smarter than everyone else.

>>18035550
Only works for assets from before the marriage. She's still getting the house you bought after you got married after she gets bored of you even if you're the only one who works. She's also getting alimony. It's one-sided bullshit, and marriage is a scam.

>>18035562
You're blaming the prenup for
>uncooperative wives
>judgemental families
>cuck men
>lack of money

The prenup itself is great. It's these things you don't like.

>>18035564
>prenups only apply to assets before the marriage
I never looked into this. Can you link some information?

>marriage is a scam
basically every human and organizational interaction can be viewed as a *transaction* and it's up to you whether or not you get scammed

>tldr: you want life to be fair

>>18035326
>forcing someone to have sex with you is illegal
>fucking feminists ruined everything

Oh boy

>>18035569
>The prenup is great
What kind of moron actually believes this? Prenups ONLY protect things that were acquired before the marriage. Any money, property etc. that comes after the marriage is up for grabs (and likely going to the woman).

>>18035584
I was asking for you to link some information on this

which is actually more intelligent than slamming moron into an anonymous chat, but yeah bro

this thread is really stupid because instead of "I'm in this situation...so what now?" it's just become a big crybaby fest about realities that one person alone is never going to change.

so maybe tongue-punch my ass

>>18035569
I'm not blaming the prenup for anything. I'm spelling out the hard truth that writing a prenup is not going to PREVENT anything, and nor is it going to change the outcome in court.

The family court runs on its own program; it isn't anything like the other courts. After having gone there many times, my advice to you is to go there zero times. If you get called into this court, whatever the fuck you do, make sure your lawyer is a family law SPECIALIST of the exact matter you've got. If you bring a civil lawyer then you will go home with none of your possessions and half of your organs.

Truth be told, I HAVE seen the man win in divorce court. Any time the man is a crackhead and the woman is the breadwinner for the family.

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>>18035510
women don't even love us and they are not even design to attract men they are design to attract resources through men. this is why ugly feminist don't have to become appealing to men because they are getting resources from us by force thanks to the welfare state and the government.

>>18035522

you know women change when they get married? they might stop giving you sex completely or become abusive because they have you trapped in marriage.

>>18035597
I agree. It does seem like family court is where men go to get fucked over, unless the woman is something widely stigmatized like a sex worker, drug addict, or mentally ill.

Before deciding to get married or not, if I had a lot of assets, I would probably consult a lawyer. I don't really have any advice on getting married or not. I would have to look at the legal details.

>>18035595
I was listening to call me maybe when I read this comment and I nearly shit myself laughing when I read that last line.

>>18035208
. . . so, not to rain on your parade, but you do realize that, in some states, more than one year of intimate relations and living together can qualify you as married under common law, right? as in, you'd already need to get a divorce.

>ITT women defend the one sided ripoff that is marriage

>>18035611
It's called a discussion. If you don't want to get married, don't.

>>18035611
nobody asked a dumbass like you for interpretation, but okay

>>18035604
Women don't lose because they're drug addicts. They lose because they work full time and the man is a drug addict.

Keep in mind, this is FAMILY court. You don't walk into this court with a contract, then hand it to the judge to be read and enforced. That place is called CIVIL court and it's a completely different system.

In family court, you walk in with 20 years of agreements and the first thing you find out is that none of them mean a damn thing. It's a game of lies, where you speak vows and sign a marriage contract but find out the real rules were locked away in a dark vault.

Do you want a solution? Well here it is.

Find $300, and bring it to a family law attorney's office for a consultation - that's what the money will get you. If the attorney says "don't worry" then demand your money back under threat of attacking their license.

These matters vary WILDLY from state to state, which is not to say the rules are actually much different in practice. But you need a lawyer from your own state, he needs to be a family law lawyer, and he needs to have met others JUST like you before. Don't bother handing money to a woman, if you are a man. She will tell you not to worry and just sign the damn contract.

>>18035611
I don't have much of a dog in this fight, because I'm currently not in a position where marriage is on the table, but it is funny how it's usually only women arguing for marriage in these threads.

>>18035602

I'm pretty sure my wife does love me. She's waaay fucking smarter than me. She worked so fucking hard to get a position she wanted. Out-earning me by a mile. One day, I off-handedly mentioned something I'd like to do. She asks why I don't do it. I mention the minor difficulties involved. She can tell I really want it, and I'm just too much of a pussy to take the leap.
What does she do?
Researches it in her own scant time. Realizes we can't do it in the city we were in. Finds a great location, someplace I've always wanted to live, finds a way to make it work.
Then?
Then she gives up her hard-won position for a near entry-level job in her field that pays less. So I can have my dream. She says it'll be more fun anyway. I'm not sure. She says she got her dream already, but I know that's not totally true.
We move. Every time I'm afraid or have doubts she's there for me. She puts her time into helping realize my goal.
It works! I did it. Something I always wanted but never thought I could have. I'd never have done it without her. And she wasn't pushing me to do something SHE wanted (trust me, lol). She made a sacrifice to help me get what I wanted.

That's what a good marriage can be. A partnership between two people, in a world that doesn't give a shit about either of them, helping each other get shit they couldn't get on their own.

Do we fuck as often as we used to? Of course not. Does she look exactly the way she did when we met? No, don't be stupid.

But my life is much richer for her presence in it.

Fuck your bitter ass. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>18035629
>>18035623

>>18035629
It makes sense. Women have nothing to lose from getting married, so if course they love it. If things end badly, they get the house and alimony.

"If you want a picture of the future, just imagine a boot stomping on a man's face forever."

-every ex husband

>>18035626
they lose the custody if they're fucked up enough

but yeah apparently the default is that the man doesn't see the kids enough and he pays huge sums that don't get spent on the kids

>>18035550
>prenup meme

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/11/elizabeth-petrakis-prenup_n_2853146.html

also she totally earn all that money because once your nanny leaves you she still deserves to be payed.

>>18035611
>ITT: virgins and bitter losers argue against marriage

>>18035657
wow thanks now I have schizophrenia

>>18035644
Have you met many divorced people? Have you met many children of divorced households? The more fucked up you are, the more likely you will WIN custody of the children and the stolen income that goes with it. All of the non-custodial women I know of lost custody to either drug houses or molester houses.

With men it's the same way. People think men always lose, because they lose most of the time. Men lose most of the time because they have money to steal most of the time.

These courts don't give a flying fuck about the children's futures, just like they don't give a fuck about adults in the present. Those children will grow up to be adults too someday, and the divorce court will be waiting for its reunion with them.

>>18035657
>huffington post meme

I am not going to read what mobster globalists have to say about mobster globalism.

>>18035562
>My own brother is paying for a baby he didn't father, until it's 25 years old. Just like you guys he thought he was smarter than everyone else.

how did that happen? my guess is that the wife cheated during marriage and by law he was force to pay for the baby?

>>18035670
>>18035674
more schizophrenia

>>18035661
>Seeing through the sham that is marriage in the US makes you a virgin or bitter
If marriage weren't a clusterfuck that favored the woman by a mile, I'd have no issue with it. The good parts of it are good. The bad parts of it are bad enough to outweigh the good.

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>>18035676
If you marry a woman, her offspring are legally yours. It was like this even back in ancient Rome, where common men left their homes, then came back with gray beards a hundred kids and no home.

There IS NO SIMPLE WAY out of this. If you think you're slicker than rest of the universe, then clearly you are not in search of a simple way. Perform your miracles write a book about it if they work.

...

>that barking chihuahua who keeps replying to everyone with words like 'bitter'

Marry a woman who earns a similar amount, or more, so there is no way to justify alimony in court, you goddamn cucks.

Choosing to breed is your own damn fault though.

>>18035579
did you read the rest? they don't have to have sex but if I divorce her for that I get punished and she gets my assets. I am just trying to be a man here and call the bullshit that is marriage.

>>18035681
American divorce doesn't favor ALL women, it just favors lazy ones with a victimhood mindset.

If the woman has a degree and a career, but the man fits the above description, then the man gets custody and spousal support. Usually this man is genuinely bitter (not just the buzzword bitter feminists use) and he will try to have her arrested for not making enough money* - just like women usually do to men.

*Family law doesn't go by your real income, it goes by your "potential" income. Good luck ever making that much while baby boomers are still in charge.

>>18035701
You're acting like you have important knowledge. What I'm saying is that the real knowledge is hidden deeply away, to be used against you many years from now. You can tell me to fuck right off, or you can ponder it quietly to yourself for just a moment then keep in mind. I ain't gonna be there the day you show up in court in the distant future.

Nobody feels like going to court, except for lawyers.

>>18035713
Self-reply: except for *young* lawyers.

If a lawyer is old and smart then he doesn't show up in court at all.

>>18035208
>I've been with a woman for 3 years
Do not get married yet. As mentioned in this thread, there's a decent amount of cases in which a couple will get married and after 7 or more years married, the wife will lose interest in her husband and want a divorce. There are women in this thread admitting that a large number of women who do such a thing exist.

Wait a year or two more before you make that decision, and when you're ready to make that decision be 100% sure that this is someone who wants to be with you for the rest of her life, and you want to be with her too.

>>18035724
Translation: "don't get married."

Rushed marriages last 20 years then have a cataclysmic divorce. Hesitant marriages last 2 years then have a drift-apart divorce. Either way, one side loses absolutely everything and the other side rots into shit.

Genius kids start getting straight Fs in school when their perfect happy family divorces. I'm convinced that divorce simply wouldn't exist without our culture of lawyers and suing. People might still split up, but it wouldn't be tantamount to cannibalism.

>>18035208
>In the U.S., marriage is not a social construct
Just like in every first world country

>>18035208
taxes. income tax breaks are beneficial if you're rich enough.

You can also claim marriage expenses and kids as tax breaks as well.

>>18035635
>Do we fuck as often as we used to? Of course not. Does she look exactly the way she did when we met? No, don't be stupid.

Why would I be bitter when you are stuck with a depreciating asset that is not even giving you sex anymore? do you really think I am jealous of your life with a fat ugly and old cunt?

>>18035661
>being divorce raped and having to live in your car to support your wife

who is the real loser now?

>>18035757

Well, she isn't fat and ugly, she's just not 18 anymore. Neither am I. Sex is more of a weekly thing now than a daily thing, sure, but it's better than when we were too worried about impressing each other to communicate.

How about you respond to the actual point of my long-ass post, which was that she is much more than a piece of ass, and has made me a better man at her own expense. Because that's what good people in healthy relationships do.
I'll admit that good people are rare, and healthy relationships rarer. The fact that dumbasses aren't aware enough to select good partners and cultivate good relationships isn't the fault of marriage. Which is a legal institution without agency. Lawyers looking to get money and a society that revolves around getting money...well, there's some agency there. But playing victim to that, refusing to accept responsibility for your bitter autism, refusing to develop relationship skills....and then blaming it on women as a whole to the point of ignoring their humanity?

Yeah I think you might be a little jealous.

>>18035750
What is marriage in the developed world, really? It's a stack of convulsed books which tell the court to do once you end up in court. The books are different in each state, and if you show up with the wrong type of lawyer then you'll be lucky to go home at all.

The system can and does arrest people for having too-poor jobs to pay for the babies they didn't father. The system can and does name men the legal fathers of children by default while they are incapable of contesting.

Dudes getting out of jail go back to jail when they get pulled over for a faulty tail light. The officer runs their ID, the computer says there's a warrant, and the warrant was from a default judgment the man had no chance to fight. People need to stop pretending the world is safer or more honest than it really is.

Get a fucking prenuptial and it's fine

>>18035412
>A woman who works doesn't get anything from divorce, at least where I live - partners split their goods, and that's it. So alimony is a thing just for housewives
What mythical land is this? It's not USA

>>18035445
No, you're retarded. Men created a world where women were inferior, so laws were passed to give women more rights to even things up. Except now the women are equal but still have all these extra privileges, and yet still continue to bitch. Women have priority in literally every single possible legal matter, including of course marriage laws. Entering a legal contract with a woman where you stand to lose everything on a coinflip is just idiotic as a man today.

>>18035832

I can actually sort-of agree with you. Women are taking huge advantage of laws meant to help them. I'm not saying that's good. I'm saying family court laws which are not explicitly gendered aren't the problem.

Women who are cunts are the problem.
A society that raises, allows, and directly/indirectly promotes women to be cunts is a problem.
A society that is biased against men in family matters is a problem.
Bias against men=pity for women is a kind of "benevolent sexism" that hurts both genders in different situations, in this case, men.
That sort of pity for women isn't helping any woman who wants to make her own life.
Helps the dependas, doesn't help me get taken seriously at work.

Point being, the weird transitory phase between old-school patriarchy and something else is allowing women to do horrible shit, which causes resentment, which isn't helping us move into egalitarian society at all.

So yeah. You're right.
but sexism is like...the opposite of the answer.

>>18035814
>prenups solve or prevent problems

Where does this idea keep coming from? Does Hollywood teach it to people?

OP: if you're curious about prenups, then hand a week's pay to a family law attorney to a consultation. This doesn't get you the actual prenup, just the consultation. It means you can ask him questions for a while and his answers won't be total bullshit. Doesn't mean he has agreed to do anything for you at that point.

If you want to save money, then take my word for it: you're not going dodge the trap the rest of the dudes fell for, not just some simple trick. If it were simple then we would not have a billion dollar divorce industry going on.

>>18035844
All I'm saying is, a rational man should never get married in the US if he values his money. I'm not saying anything is the problem or cause, I don't care really I'm just stating advice

>>18035531
You'll find that nobody is able to imagine every possible relationship scenario for more than a year. She might want marriage now, but in 5 years if she isn't happy that sentiment may change.

anyone who says ANYTHING about taxes is a fucking burger flipping prole and doesn't know shit about taxes

>>18035844
>egalitarian society

that is impossible with our current science we need to change the dna of everyone for that to happen. We would need everyone to reproduce asexually for everyone to be equal in society. Women are the limiting factor in reproduction and that makes them more valuable then men. also society is being rule by women at the current moment because they have sexual power and political power over men. When this happens entire countries get over run by stronger males from different countries because you breed a society of weak pussy men.

>>18035208
> marriage is not a social construct,
> it is a financial and legally binding agreement,
So it is a social construct.
it's a construct created by society. The fact that we codify into law is irrelevant to that.

If you're talking about "common law" marriages, that depends on which state in the US and for what purposes. Some recognize common law marriages, some partially recognize them and others ignore them.

There may be legal benefits to getting married - once again dependent on the state/county. Certainly there are some tax arrangements that may be beneficial (depending on your circumstances) and marriage can often simplify certain legal issues like recognition of parentage or next of kin status etc.

But ultimately you do you. If you guys want to get married do it. If not, dont. It's between you two.