Caught fapping by zealot mother

>>17965704
You wanted too be alone now she isn't talking too you, i think you just solved your own problem

>>17965712

I wanted to relieve some stress, not be alienated by my mom.

She kicking you out would be a good thing in the long run.

>>17965714
Ask to go to church with her next time.

>>17965704
Claim demonic possession

>>17965704
Were you fapping in the kitchen or living room or something? Why weren't you in your bedroom or bathroom?

>>17965737
Family computer in the living room...

>>17965740
should've just used your smartphone in your bedroom

>>17965735
don't do this lol

Say you want to talk

Then go into a spiel about how youve been lonely and fapping has been help alleviate that

Then show her your porn history

If all goes right she will start sucking your dick. Especially if she is a single mom

>>17965704
Should've waited longer, anon.

You're an adult, right. Explain this to your mom. It will be hard for her to accept, but she will have to. However, she doesn't have to be privy to that side of you. Exercise me discretion and patience next time.

>>17965704
Did she see what you were jerking it to?
If yes, was it missionary type shit or 4chan type shit?
Either way she should realize what you're doing is natural and healthy. Best solution would be to talk to the pastor or priest she associates with, but only if they're progressively minded to understand that masturbation is not negative, evil or shameful. Otherwise endure the awkward silences and it will slowly be forgotten. Don't act like you're sorry. You did nothing wrong. Her insecurities should not become your own.

>>17966033
No no, fapping is normal, pornography, not so much.

>>17965890
fuckin lmao. Classic 4chan.

Sorry your mom is crazy anon. There is no treatment for Bible humpers, just tell her you're old enough to move out if it bothers her so much but a normal mom would offer financial support vs giving it to the church instead and trying to abandon her son. You did nothing wrong, she's insane for screaming at you over healthy acts. If she gets violent I'd even consider getting the authorities involved. It can get scary when they push their religion on you and it can fuck you up mentally if she becomes obsessed over your fapping.

>>17966084
I can't tell if this post is a joke or not

>>17966084

>adult living for free with my mother
>mom has house rules and gives $5 weekly to the church

>~I'M~ NOT GETTING $5 A WEEK!
> MOM DOESN'T WANT ME TO MASTURBATE IN HER HOUSE?
>NOT FAIR; SHE'S PUSHING HER RELIGION ON ME! I'M GOING TO CALL THE COPS! :((

You get caught again and look her dead in the eye and say "want to help?"

Requirement: Be massively attractive and possibly in a truman show like reality

>>17966040
Pornography isn't normal? It is one of the most common things in the world and it doesn't hurt anyone. Can we say that about the religion his mother and other zealots are obsessed with?

>>17966285
Porn hurts a lot of people. Stop posting.

>>17966285

Pornography has hurt people.

While you can say that people have been hurt by others in the name of Christianity, pornography, however, has not inspired the creation of one of the most impactful organizations whose sole purpose is to help children with terminal illnesses.

>>17965735
ISHYGDDT

>>17966317
Porn hurts no one who is mature and responsible. Like every other tool and technology that exists.

>>17966317
If you think a church's sole purpose is to help children with terminal illnesses you are very sadly misinformed. Please read some history, don't watch it, don't let anyone tell you what it means, learn it on your own.

>>17965704
Tell her masterbation Is a sin and therefore she should give you hand jobs instead

>>17966349

>porn hurts no one who is mature and responsible

I guess we need to tell all the exploited children and young teens coerced into the industry to just buck up and be responsible, huh?

I also guess the victims of the sick individuals whose porn consumption then leads them to unnatural fixations and violent urges are also simply victims of a lack of maturity and responsibility. Your response might be that such crimes are a result of individual maturity and responsibility, but what's to stop me from claiming that the negatives of religion come only as a result of a lack of maturity and responsibility of the religion's members?

>sole purpose of the church

The sole purpose of the church (with respect to Christianity) is salvation, a goal whose essence lies in bettering humanity. One of the two prime commandments from Jesus to anybody who wants to know 'what is right' is to help others.

Pornography isn't about humanity or helping others; it's about 'getting off' for the consumer, and it's about making money for the producer. None of these are even remotely philanthropic in nature.

>history

I have two degrees (both in STEM fields, admittedly, and not history) from a prestigious university that also required me to take many history classes. The global history of religion and its influence was the focus I used to fulfill my humanities requirement. Your cognitive dissonance may not like this, but, in all likelihood, I know more about the history and purpose of places of worship in mainstream religions than you do. History, however, is not the current topic.

The point is that the claim that 'religion is dangerous and porn is not' and the inferred claim that a world with pornography and not religion would be a better place is complete and utter bunk whose value doesn't extend far beyond the edge factor.

Just talk with your mother like an adult. Man up and respectfully confront her saying something to the effect of how you were embarrassed of her walking in on you and you're sorry she saw that, that you hope you both can move on from it and continue as mature adults. There's no need to talk about your habits or defend them unless she brings it up and says something.

>>17966467

>I guess we need to tell all the exploited...

Just stop there. That's people. Not porn. No one mature and responsible exploits anyone. That's like blaming gun owners in America for violence in the middle east.

>The sole purpose of the church (with respect >to Christianity) is salvation, a goal whose >essence lies in bettering humanity. One of the >two prime commandments from Jesus to >anybody who wants to know 'what is right' is >to help others.

Even if we agreed on your form of "bettering humanity," religion has cost far more lives than its saved. Suddenly pretending that you're a good christian (i believe what i was told to believe when i was a kid) doesn't excuse the millennia of suffering based on the concept of "saving others."

>I have two degrees...

I don't care who or what you are. The fact that you think you know the way for mankind's "salvation" tells me everything I need to know.
The fact that you see religion in black and white tells me you didn't pay enough attention in your history classes.

btw, I never suggested that porn was philanthropic. I don't know where that came from. My point for is that pornography isn't inherently negative, evil, or unnatural. It certainly doesn't go around proselytizing and "spreading the good word." It's people enjoying sex.

Keep your religion to yourself. People don't need religion to learn right from wrong.

>>17965740
If this is real, there's your obvious problem, idiot.

Tell her to grow the fuck up.

>>17966317
Wtf are you doing on 4chan

>>17965704
Your sins are forgiven.

>>17966585

>religion has cost far more lives than its saved

Two things:

1. Can you prove this?

2. > That's people. Not religion.

Let's look at some figures.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

If we attempt to obtain an overestimation of the number of people who have died as a result of religion, any religion, using the figures in the above link we get a figure somewhere in the vicinity of 30 million people. To account for fringe causes or instances not counted in the above, let's add 20 million to this figure: we have 50 million over the course of modern history (the past 2000 years).

In just the last 13 years, the Salvation army has served almost 1.7 million people in the US alone as a part of its disaster relief efforts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army#Disaster_relief). That's the past 13 years, one single serviced offered by one charitable Christian organization, and a single country. Extrapolate this figure over the hundreds of years that this organization has been active. Now account for the hundreds of other such organizations operating globally,

Extrapolating just over the past three centuries the thousands of global charities active out of the call to service in Christianity, we have more total lives saved than lost to ALL religions in the past two-thousand years.

>don't need religion to learn right from wrong

You're showing your true motivation here. The issue at hand isn't whether or not OP needs religion to learn right from wrong; the issue is with respecting the rules of his mother's household.

As you choose to reserve the option to state your opinion that religion is "dangerous," I reserve the option to respect and support somebody else's opinion that pornography is dangerous and that religion is beneficial. Furthermore, since OP is living with his mother--seemingly for free--I believe it is more than reasonable to expect OP to observe his mother's household rules.

>>17965704
Actually the lord's day is Saturday, anon.

>>17966585

Also

>that's like blaming gun owners...

Why are we not allowed to use this same explanation for violence and lives cost in the name of religion?

>>17967090
not the guy you're arguing with, but I think you two have gotten way off track here

What exactly are your objections to pornography? There's nothing wrong with it so long as the people in it are consenting adults, (frankly that's one reason I prefer 2d or 1d to 3d, no worries about people being exploited if its just a drawing or a story). To me pornography merely aids in arousal, what's wrong with that?

>>17965704
Confess your sin, express remorse and she'll be duty-bound to forgive you.

>>17967124

I believe that, for the secular individual whose only concerns are worldly pleasure, pornography is certainly a rational product.

As an individual, from a spiritual perspective, I find that pornography debases the dignity of consumers and participants by the simple fact that it promotes the view of human beings as sexual objects. It also seems to reduce the resolve of man to use the gift of his faculties for more than assisting the desires of a base, flesh-bound existence.

>>17967150

Another note: in the case of this specific thread, I am opposed even from a secular perspective because OP's consumption of pornography violates his mother's conscience. While another is supporting you, housing you, and feeding you, it is only proper to show enough decency to respect sensibilities.

>>17965704
>abusing myself during the Lord’s Day
Hahahahahaha this is gold, thank you OP

>>17967150
Humans ARE sexual creatures though, arousal, sexual desire, the endorphins released from the act itself are all measurable and real. Exploring that side of your nature is no different than enjoying good food, or the company of others. I don't understand why you see it as debasing or as inherently promoting an unbalanced world view. To me your immediate disregard of such pleasures as "worldly" is questionable. Would you so dismiss all other non spiritual pursuits?

>>17967196

Note that I said 'sexual object.' I believe even human sexuality has its place within spirituality. Objectification removes meaning and is therefore debasing to higher spiritual pursuits.

As for the fact that it's within our nature, I believe that we have two natures: one which is tied to the flesh (like the animals), and one which is spiritual. We can't neglect either, but blind pursuit of one at the sake of the other is harmful to both.

It is okay to enjoy good food, but it is not okay to overindulge to the point of excess. Have you ever noticed that oogood food eaten in large quantities begins to be less satisfying? This is a microcosm of a larger trend.

>>17967150
>religion
Give me a break. Take your bronze age superstitions back to where they belong, the past.

>>17967090
>kill one person
>save two other
>out of jail for free

Kek religious nutjobs are the best

>>17967157
> violates his mother's conscience
Seriously?? His mother's conscience is her own responsibility and nobody else's. He very well is living under her roof and being fed etc. yet he doesn't have to stop pleasuring himself simply because it makes her uncomfortable. That's ridiculous. It's a natural act that even religious people- even if they don't want to admit it.

>>17967347

The fact of the matter is that it is her house. If he is electing to live there, he must still respect her rules.

Are you saying that you're so attached to the idea of pleasuring yourself that you can't comprehend having to give it up for the sake of having somewhere to live if you need it? I would suggest learning self-control.

>>17967304

The best part is that more people have been killed in the name of politics and government than religion.

Guess there shouldn't be any government! Deaths have also come as a result of cars, boats, staircases, ropes, hiking expeditions, and exercise. Best not let them off the hook!

I really do enjoy how such a high and all-or-nothing standard is applied only when the topic challenges the trendy "i dun need no religion xD" mindset. Is the idea that there may be a greater authority than yourself really so threatening?

>>17967347

So your house is a place where anybody is free to do whatever they want when you're not watching?

>>17967671
Haha I'm sure his mom didn't say that as a rule he can't fap. And if she did that's silly. I'd find my own place as quickly as possible if there were going to be stupid illogical rules like that. Rules I'll follow within reason.
>>17967714
This is making the assumption that fapping is something to be ashamed about.

In all honesty, you're going to have to confront her one way or another, you two share a house after all. But that doesn't mean you can't be smart about this. She sounds like a very "traditional" type, so just go along the lines of needing christ and stuff, appeal to her sense of faith.

Having said that, if you aren't already working on moving out, start.

>>17966285
>>17966349
>>17967124

I know quite a few people who just stay inside for most of the day and spend a good amount of time jacking off to porn instead of doing something useful (not saying that they can't do some dumb mindless shit every once in a while, but they do it instead of stuff they should be doing). They also go down the rabbit hole and start looking at wierder and weirder shit, and also just get plain unpleasant to be around.

It seems to me that a lot of people who say that porn is harmless either are really naive or more often then not are degenerates who can't admit that they have a porn problem.

Watching consenting adults porn isn't bad. Sex isn't bad. Everyone is different. The point of this thread isn't to decide if porn is bad or if religion is from the "bronze-age" this dude needs advice on how to respectfully have a conversation with his mom about an embarrassing moment. Let's stay on track people.

>>17967731

It is something to be ashamed about. It's a waste of time.

>>17967731

>Rules I'll follow within reason

Rules you'll follow or else you'll get evicted, unless you're extremely lucky. You'll find that to be the case even when you have a place of your own (unless you buy it; then you truly have your own autonomy [aside from the tax man]).

>>17967817
For you. And that's great. For others it's a great stress reliever or a bonding moment with another person. The thing is, nobody cares for your judgement or opinion on whether or not it's a waste of time.

>>17966559
Solution.

>>17967856
Thank you for recognizing my advice as solution.

>>17965704
>Screams at me about “abusing myself during the Lord’s Day” and threatens to kick me out.
>What do?
Take this anon's >>17966559
advice, dgaf and don't worry about it. Also don't worry about fapping being :abusing yourself, it's no such thing and is perfectly healthy and fine for you
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
>http://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
>http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
>http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
>http://www.frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
>http://m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
>http://answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
>https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation