Am I less of a man for being gay?

Why do you think like that?

>>17964177
I don't think so
A man is a man because he's self-sufficient
A man should be able to cook, to work, to know all the old masters, to be educated, to know how to argue without being emotional, to be able to look at a problem and go "Ok, let's get to work"
Who makes you cum doesn't matter .

>>17964180

self hate/shame

>>17964180

would go more in depth but feel kinda embarrassed

>>17964177

There are submissive men who are straight. If you want to go biological standards the only thing that would make you "less of a man" is that you're not reproducing, but if that's what defines your entire life then you might have other issues.

A man and male are biological terms. You cannot be more or less of an man because either your body is male or female and in some cases it's both but those aren't even traceable statistically.

Sexuality and sexual identity are not objective but subjective and as such worthless to even discuss because then you'd be discussing opinions and while some people might enjoy that there is no actual worth in it. But they cannot carry any indication of worth because of their subjective nature.

You worry too much about non-issues.

>>17964177

depends on your definition of manliness.

like we've said in every other thread that you create, manliness changes so much from time to time, place to place, class to class, and even just what the person saying you aren't manly wants to manipulate you to do.

most people talk about manliness as if its an on or off switch, and you're not manly because you do not conform to their ideas, even if its a temporary idea just to get you to do what they want.

in your town there is a group of people who will say you are only manly if you punch the guy who insulted you. and another half say its NOT manly to attack someone who is not physically attacking you.

there are cultures where growing a beard is considered a gay submissive not manly thing, and others where shaving your face is considered gay, feminine, not manly.

one thing that is PRETTY universal is that being a man means not letting other people tell you what to do. now if you are only doing what people want you to do because you want to do it (like taking orders while having sex cuz its hot) then that's not ACTUALLy taking orders. they say that the sub is actually the one in control in dom/sub play because the sub is the one who decides whats allowed and whats not, what the limits are. the doms are more or less acting for the subs pleasure.

manly doesn't eman right. manly doesn't mean wrong. manly doesn't mean good. manly doesn't mean bad.

there are a lot of manly qualities in every culture that even people in the culture will say are negative qualities. and there are many feminine qualities that we write off as negative as well.

worry less about being a man and more about being your self.

Being a less than or more of a "Man" is a social construct, meaning it's not something you can really define and depends on how you look at it, so nobody can really give you a straight answer.

I don't think you're less of a man for doing those sorts of things. In my view, someone is less of a man if they behave in a way that's dishonorable, like treating others like shit. To be, being gay or submissive is a nonfactor. World needs it's twinks too.

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Yes. Homosexuality is either bad parenting or extreme perversion. Did you masturbate a lot as a child/teen? Were you raped/abused as a child? Did your parents support you and love you? Was your father present?

>>17964314
>Did you masturbate a lot as a child/teen?
>demonizing fapping, imlpying it's bad for you and it makes you gay
Fapping doesn't make you a fag
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are.html
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2010/09/enough-already-sex-and-baddassery-are_07.html
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation#Health_effects
>http://www.europeanurology.com/article/S0302-2838(16)00377-8/abstract/ejaculation-frequency-and-risk-of-prostate-cancer-updated-results-with-an-additional-decade-of-follow-up
>http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/news/20040406/frequent-ejaculation-prostate
>http://urology.jhu.edu/newsletter/prostate_cancer712.php
>http://www.frequenturinationinmenexplained.com/ejaculation-and-prostate-cancer/
>http://m.joe.endocrinology-journals.org/content/52/1/51.short
>http://answers.webmd.com/answers/5004889/what-nutrients-do-you-lose-when-ejaculating-or-masterbating-do-you-lose-testerone-
>https://www.healthtap.com/user_questions/1294935-how-long-does-your-body-take-to-replace-the-nutrients-lost-by-masturbation

>>17964177
were you born with a penis and at least one testicle?
congratulations! youre a man!

>>17964314

>did you masturbate a lot as a child

i did, i started when i was like 3. weird.

Well you're at a disadvantage to start out. That said, when you look at most straight men today, the competition ain't all that much. You could easily surpass the bulk of them, barely any effort required.

Rise of homosexuality can be attributed to what is in modern food and xenoestrogens in plastic water bottles.

>>17964177
That question is so general that it's basically meaningless.

Whose conception of a "man" are you trying to live up to? If it's Hemingway's, yeah, you fail. If it's Frankl's then bring gay or submissive is besides the point altogether.

>>17964512

gay frogs?

>>17964177
I mean yes, you are. But you aren't less of a person.

>>17964505

how so?

>>17965893
This.

Having sex with men is an abomination. But if you change, stop fucking men, stop behaving like a queer, you'd just be another man in my eyes.

Are you the one that not too long ago started a thread saying you feel like shit after getting fucked like a girl?
That was kind of funny to read, sorry.
The problem is really with some lack of self-esteem, which you reflect in your perception of your masculinity.
You're not less of a man, you're a man and that's it, and as >>17964188 said, being a man entails many more things in which sex is really just a grain of sand. >>17964505 has a good point too: with all the nu-males and hipsters out there, you're probably already much more of a man than them.

I think you're just ashamed of your sexuality for some reason, and that has to do with how you were raised, perhaps by a homophobe father, perhaps you live in Texas.
You have to accept that you like what you like and stop making it a sort of stigma in your life, that's just you and you'll be more of a man if you learn to accept yourself and not let the environment dictate how you should feel or that you should be ashamed of yourself.
Want more? Your sexuality isn't the whole you, there's a lot more to your person, and if you want to be """more of a man""" you may work on your character, your body, your work ethic, or whatever standards or ideals you might set up for yourself.

Do I have less of a dick....
For putting my dick in butt....

Hmm....

>>17964177

Do you have XY chromosomes and a penis? Congratulations, you are a man.

>>17964177
Being masculine doesn't have much to do with whether you like cock in your asshole. It's about how you comport yourself in other ways. Do you take charge, make decisions, handle your business? Have morals that you adhere to, values you care about, people who you respect and cherish? Sexuality is at best only tangentially a part of being a "man".

>>17967340

good advice

i think i've let my self esteem fuck me up for too long