According to CNN, it takes $233,610 to raise a child WITHOUT

You are not "supposed" to if you don't want to, smartypants. Lots of people choose not to have kids. And if you wanted to have kids instead, it wouldn't be so bad to make the money effort.

>>17940739
Same
I don't want kids and see them as little parasytes that make your life less enjoyable and take your money.
Every fucking man or woman I date wants kids and I really don't understand it beyond biological urges

>>17940763

The problem is, everyone looks at you like you're fucking crazy if you say you don't, and tries to insist "just do it, you'll totally fall in love with them after you have them!" Pretty big risk there, it's not like I can decide I don't like it and take it back to the baby store.

It wouldn't be frustrating if it weren't for people insisting that life is useless without kids.

>>17940739
Because it is the most satisfying experience of life. I have a 3 year old, and while it is not easy, at all, being a dad is by far the greatest experience of my life. This coming from a guy who's done every drug, partied in the rave scene for years, and had no lack of sex and good times.

When I'm having a really bad day I miss being 'free', but truth be told I wouldn't go back.

>>17940739

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooJWmR-k_HM

>>17940774
actually, i've always wanted a kid, mainly so that i can raise them to be a fucking beast and know better than all the other little faggots running around the internet annoying the shit out of everyone. with the future looking liberal and ignorant i'd like to produce one of the few to actually think for themselves and set an example. you never know, your own kid could even end up more famous than hitler.

although, when it really comes down to it, having a child is more like an emotional benefit (unless you have too many or your a shit parent) but at the same time eats up all your time, energy, and money. having lots of those things makes it easier and fulfilling.

>>17940739
Ok, so you have a different opinion. Do what you want with your money. Making a big deal with going against the grain doesn't make you look smarter or whatever. I agree too, but I'm not going to brag about it.

>>17940739
Don't forget about the stress/physical and mental exhaustion/general toll on your mental health that comes with having a child.

>>17940779
>Dated someone for a short amount of time when I was 16
>Got asked by multiple older parties "So when are you guys gonna have kids?" while we were together
It was kinda shocking.

>not wanting to experience all the love, pride and happiness that come with having kids
>finding joy only in simple material things
>not caring about your bloodline dying out
>having no one to love you and care for you when you grow old
>living in a quiet, empty house with just you and your partner
>not helping the white race endure, while all of the shitskins are breeding like rabbits

Poor people will outbreed you soon enough.

>>17940790
What if your kid doesn't turn out how you wanted and is a little fagboy liberal?
My parents wanted me and my brother to be Mrs popular cheerleader and Mr normie chad sports star but look how that turned out. I am a mentally repressed anime loving social retard and he is a cybergoth autist
Also your kid is likely not going to be famous.

>>17940807
>not caring about your bloodline dying out
>some people unironically think this is important

>>17940807

This has gotta be bait, but I'll bite. Pride? What in the fuck am I supposed to be prideful about, barring some major exception to the norm? "Congrats kid, you graduated college and can now enjoy the fruits of my hard work raising you: an office job! Enjoy slaving away 9-5 every day for no real satisfaction."

Material shit is nice, but I have friends and existing family to fill any emotional hole.

I get having someone to look after me, I guess that's cool, but frankly, my mom is a cunt and will die alone despite having me.

Being alone with my partner sounds nice. We can go do whatever we want whenever we want.

I'm also not a racist so I don't give two shits about maintaining the white race. It won't matter to me when I'm in a hole in the ground.

>>17940824
>That feel when my dad hates my guts because instead of being the perfect little sports-loving, beer guzzling son he wanted, I'm a girl with no interest in sports or alcohol
He wanted my mom to abort me as soon as they found my gender out.

>>17940833
Every one of your ancestors has managed to produce offspring, you haven't. How does this not bother you?

>>17940841
Pride that you managed to raise someone who will ideally be a better version of yourself.

Fair enough about the friends and family thing, but none of that is close to the connection you feel to your children and the person who helped you raise them.

>my mom is a cunt and will die alone despite having me
Now it's all starting to make sense

Doing whatever you want when you want inevitably leads to a sense of lack of purpose. You burn out. You're young now, you'll see what I mean in 10-15 years.

>It won't matter to me when I'm in a hole in the ground
The epitomy of degeneracy.

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>>17940739
Eat Fresh.

>>17940988
Not them but I don't have any sense of purpose, am not religious, and don't give 2 shits about my bloodline dying out because there are already so many humans infesting the planet anyways.
I just want the company of the person I love and a couple close friends. Why would I need a child who will probably not turn out how I want it, takes my money, and makes my life that would have been otherwise peaceful a struggle?
Just so I can pass on some bloodline I don't give 2 fucks about passing on and because everyone else is doing it?
I might as well just get a really expensive high maintainence pet. It is basically the same thing

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Most of that cost is subsidized by government programs, thats not out of pocket money. You can easily raise 7 or 8 kids on a middle class single income household with proper budgeting and knowledge of government subsidies.

If raising large families was so hard niggers wouldn't do it all the time

People who are aware of the sort of sacrifices it takes to raise a child are the ones who should be having them

>>17940739

Then don't have one. Clearly not everyone is cut out for parenting. You sound like an awfully daunting person to be around.

>>17940783
this

>>17940988

Sure, "every one of my ancestors" had a kid, but plenty of them fucked up and had multiple kids that went on to die and never have a kid. It doesn't change my "family legacy" if I don't pass on what the fuck ever this is.

Producing offspring is also the fucking easiest thing to do in the world besides shitting or eating. They don't get any gold stars for fucking.

I've got plenty of purpose, and I'm 30 years old. My purpose is to see the world, maximize the best of myself, do good things for other people, to be happy.

Again, raising a kid to do the same exact fucking thing every other kid is doing is nothing special. I worked hard and have done well for myself in life, but I'm perfectly replaceable with most of the other 3,000 people I graduated High School with.

>>17941024
>Most of that cost is subsidized by government programs
False

>You can easily raise 7 or 8 kids on a middle class single income household with proper budgeting and knowledge of government subsidies.

False

>>17940739
Do whatever you want to do with your life.

Nobody knows why are we here, what is our purpouse or what is the the best way how to live your life.

I will have kids for sure so they will have less competition for resources in the future.

>>17941228
>so they will have less competition for resources in the future.
What...? How?

>>17940807
>not caring about your bloodline dying out
Cringed hard, thanks.

>thousands of years of your ancestors breeding makes you
>you don't continue your name because "muh free time" and "muh money"
That is the most teenage bullshit.
Do you honestly think money and more """"""free time"""""" will make you happy?
Maybe for 5 fuckin years until you realize that all the money you've spent and trips you went on mean less than nothing to you, and the regret of time wasted comes to pass.
And as if you'll be able to keep a loving relationship with a man or a woman when the only incentive in a relationship is to breed.
Even if you do marry someone as equally angsty as you, the marriage will go platonic in less than a decade and you'll turn into two fuckbuddies who leech off each other for support.
Having a kid is the happiest thing you can experience in life. There's no such thing as a fucking cost to have a child. You just need to love it and raise it right, regardless of if you're upper, middle, or lower class.
Calling children parasites and goblins is somehow even more stupid than all the shit that came out of your mouth. You were a damn brat as a kid, like all of us. If you're parents raised you, then you have the ability to raise a kid.

At the very least quit bitching about being "pressured" into having a kid.

>>17942093
All this projection.

>>17941217
You're wrong on both counts but okay!

Federal food banks have more food than they can carry, especially produce, and they allot you amounts depending on your household size. If you're going to have a ton of kids you can't fucking bother with the "muh shame" thing when going to a fucking food bank. They throw most of their shit away at the end of the month anyway.

There are programs at cattle ranches where you can buy the whole animal for 1100 bucks for 220 lbs of beef at $3 a pounds thats including all cuts of beef not just hamburger, and the average price of hamburger %80 lean in the US is 2.50.

Or pork that $3.50 a pound for 230 pounds of edible meat at $900.

>>17941024
>Most of that cost is subsidized by government programs, thats not out of pocket money. You can easily raise 7 or 8 kids on a middle class single income household with proper budgeting and knowledge of government subsidies.

Raising kids is as expensive as fuck and even with all these benefits you are still going to be poor and coming out in the red. To qualify for these programs they look at your income, not how many kids you have. Only niggers and white trash think that you're going to "earn" money by having kids. They're wrong.

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>>17942191
>Raising kids is as expensive as fuck and even with all these benefits you are still going to be poor and coming out in the red. To qualify for these programs they look at your income, not how many kids you have
Wrong, I was at the food bank a month ago and they don't ask for income, they're not legally allowed to. You're thinking of unemployment insurance and medicaid, and even then medicaid accounts for number of dependents.

>Only niggers and white trash think that you're going to "earn" money by having kids
You don't "earn" money, you just save a ton of pocket money. The government doesn't fork over cash generally but they give you almost every possible avenue to hold on to the cash you have if you don't get hung up on "shame" while the niggers benefit off of you paying taxes. The difference between a white man or even an asian man and a nigger is that whats left in the mans pocket he is smart enough to put asiide for different investments and savings.

>>17942213
Having kids while being poor is an excellent way to stay poor.

There is plenty of research on this. Deny it all you want.

>>17942213
This guy here, I just doubled checked. I'm actually wrong on how they determined eligibility but it still works out.

They determine eligibility based off of income to dependents ratio and allot food accordingly, so if you're middle class and have 7 kids you'll get 9 big boxes of food. about %70 of households are eligible for food bank food.

>>17942222
>There is plenty of research on this. Deny it all you want.
Those studies don't bring into account services like this, it is propaganda designed to keep white birthrates low.

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>>17942233

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>>17942243
>implying I mentioned anything politics related
Leftists have an electoral imperative to ensure white people don't reproduce because people from third-world cultures will support giving them absolute power so long as the government keeps cranking out free money. Even if you don't browse /pol/ if you have any kind of a brain this is totally transparent in democratic party policy and rhetoric since 1965, socialism lost the argument so the DNC has been on a 50 year quest to elect a new people, Lyndon Johnson the founder of such a program was explicit with this as soon as he passed the 1965 immigration act.

>>17940783
three seems to be a pretty awesome age

>>17940739
So he/she can grow up and eventually ask the same question .. No, really .. close to 8 billion ppl on the planet so breeding is obviously not a problem, so you not getting kids == no problem

>>17942264
>implying you weren't just waiting for this

I'll take "Things I don't give a shit about" for 500 Trebeck.

Identity politics is for weak little men like you. I'll earn money and live a good life while you "We wuz kangz" all day.

>>17940739
only form of immortality I know. I work in a hospital and I see old people die a lot, I sit there and watch them becuase of my job and have to listen to their last words bullshit. And all the ones without children seem to bring it up. You get these 80 year olds and they're like I missed my chance. Fucking sad as fuck, there's nothing to be done at all.

>>17942264
Which party is responsible for making my Korean gf treat me like an absolute king compared to my previous 4 white gfs? I seriously plan to marry her since a major fuckup is pretty much impossible from her.

The world isn't a good enough place for me to bring kids into it.

>>17940739
I genuinely do not believe this for a fucking second... I've calculated my entire cost of life for my parents and it's been no more than 50k over the age of 25 years old... not only is it less than 50k, but that cost is split between two working adults, even though my dad has paid for more than half the share.

To be fair, I've been severely neglected though.
What rich asshole put together this 200k asshat number. Do you know how fucking rich I would currently be if my parents gave me even half of 200k? I've given my mom alone over 10k.

Also
>Can someone explain to me again why I'm supposed to want to have one of these little leeches instead of buying cars, going on awesome vacations, and eating nicely?
With this asshole attitude you shouldn't be having kids, if they don't even exist yet and you already think of them as leeches, and using the jared subway image.

>>17940841
You're looking at it wrong.

The goal of a society should be to provide a better future for its children.

You work hard so your children are better off. They in turn work hard so their children are better off. This continues indefinitely.

You don't have to follow this philosophy, but when life is dark it's nice to know that you're part of something bigger and by you just existing and doing your part you're making countless people's lives better even if they don't even exist yet.

>>17940739
CNN is full of shit, when are they NOT full of shit?

First off Ahmed La'Ackbar has 8 kids and doesn't care, just slap those brats on welfare and bask in the glory of destroying western civilization.

Every millennial just wants to have it all, they have selfish attitudes towards kids and never see any of the benefits already listed ITT.

This is why birth rates are pathetic and we will need to live under Shariah. Thanks Millennials, you ruined the world worse than Boomers who taught you well.

>>17942420
How will we feed them all

>>17942400
Food, around 150€/month. 1/3 of our rent would be around 150€. Add the bills and it's probably 225€.
In 18 years, it's about 80k€.
Add all the stuff they bought me, all the money they invested in my education and healthcare, the money they gave me, all the times they paid for me when we did something together, can easily see how we spent 200k$. Doesn't seem so unrealistic.

>>17942319
>Identity politics is for weak little men like you
And two of the last three presidents, then the last 3 presidents before HW Bush, and the NAACP, and your school administration, and your union, and your employment office.

>>17942321
>Which party is responsible for making my Korean gf treat me like an absolute king compared to my previous 4 white gfs
Probably not the party directly but the people surrounding the conditions to raise such girls are all democrat. Tell me how many of those 4 were raised by a single mom? All 4?

>>17940861
>tfw your dad is partly upset at how you turned out, partly proud of you, and part terrified of you

>muh white ancestors

this is literally the only argument /pol/tards have for reproducing rampantly, and is why I'm glad I left that mental prison

>>17940807
>not wanting to experience all the love, pride and happiness that come with having kids
I imagine it very occasionally has it's perks.
>finding joy only in simple material things
A car is fun. A kid is not. Is this hard to understand? It's not "material" is technology designed to satisfy. Not like a diamond ring or a brick of gold.
>not caring about your bloodline dying out
If this is a reason you'd have to have a child, you shouldn't be having children.
>having no one to love you and care for you when you grow old
This might be a perk. With the money I saved from not having children, I could pay for some nice care at a retirement community.
>living in a quiet, empty house with just you and your partner
Seems peaceful. I prolly wouldn't get a full sized house big enough for an entire family if I'm not having kids though.
>not helping the white race endure, while all of the shitskins are breeding like rabbits
haha ur fune

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>>17940739

>Can someone explain to me again why I'm supposed to want to have one

Nope. If you don't want to, don't have one. No one would blink if your frumpy ass decided not to reproduce.

>>17942420
>Legalized no-fault divorces
>Immigration act of 1965
>Outsourcing labor and H1b visas

Blaming millennials might be an easy cop out, but you can't jar all the blame on them. Millennials are forced to live in the shitty world they inherited. Some might say that millennials making the best of their lot and not doing everything in their power to fix the world necessitates condemnation, but having not done most of the wrong, millennials are not the bringers of ruin.

>>17942455
All four came from rich to wealthy families who were very republican.

>>17942460
>this is literally the only argument /pol/tards have for reproducing rampantly
Yeeeaaah man whats the big deeaaal I'm sure africans and natives will run western civilization just fine! I mean look how well Muslims preserved western civilization once Constantinople fell!

>>17942488
None of those things were consulted upon by the american people and all three of them the american people were lied to about after they passed

>>17942499
>All four came from rich to wealthy families who were very republican.
Wow I'm totally sure of that and you're not just lying to be a contrarian because you're estimating I'm a republican.

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>>17942499
Oh and also I hope you have fun when you go on an interview with your local news about how your half-happa kid shot up a sorority or a school because he looks like a malformed mongoloid.

>>17942506
I really have no ulterior motive here, on an anonymous Swedish chocolate sculpting forum. I'm just genuinely curious as to why the white girls with no major red flags like single mothers, tattoos, or colored hair who I dated were absolute cunts compared to my current Korean gf of 1.5 years who welcomes me home from work on her knees and refuses to let me go without a meal. It doesn't help that my 2 close friends in long term relationships with white chicks seem to be getting the treatment I was getting. The worst part is that I'm in Georgia, what should be the bastion of good white girls.

>>17942529
Ok I'll entertain your fantasy world where girls who are raised well "just get fucked up" (again this is a fantasy you are creating).

Give brief examples from each one, you don't need to write your life story.

>>17942520
The stakes facilitate themselves with checks and balances. No choice is 100% better than others. In America a divorce ruins the man. I agree that the shooting committed by one's son also ruins the man. By marrying East Asian, my chances of ruination by the likely in America former are well reduced. On the other hand, by marrying an Asian, the already tiny chance of ruination by the latter is only slightly increased. I can balance my decisions.

>>17942533
Cheated on while in college after 1 year of dating. Gained 90 pounds after 2 years of dating and refused all attempts to lose. Fucked my brother under the guise of going to fucking church. Came home to house without n64, gamecube, and 360 after I refused her attention by not going out with her and her girlfriends. Fuck that shit. My current gf smiles more in a week than they did in a month and is swooned every time I do small things like pat her head or look into her eyes. I can't give up this respect.

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>>17942565
>Cheated on while in college after 1 year of dating
If you leave your woman alone for more than three months she will cheat on you, period. Women only feel loyalty when they are being provided for in some way, not simply given a way to fend for themselves.
>Gained 90 pounds after 2 years of dating and refused all attempts to lose
Then you make her move in with you and regulate her diet yourself, this isn't hard. You really seem to be a "just give up" sort of guy so far.
>Fucked my brother on the guise of going to Church
Had you ever gone to church with her before? If not you're a dumbass for believing that excuse because if she really was religious she would take you with her.
>Destroyed your video games when you didn't give her attention
There are two sides to this story, especially considering she went after your video games and nothing else. If your girlfriend asks you to go out with her and you go "nah video games" thats fucking terrible behavior on your part, you can play video games any day of the week including when you get back from hanging out with her. I don't believe your story was that simple.
>My current gf smiles more in a week than they did in a month and is swooned every time I do small things like pat her head or look into her eyes. I can't give up this respect.
Then get ready for this, I've never met a half-asian that was mentally stable nor looked like a well-formed humanoid. They always have a crooked short shin, a prominent brow, and either a beak nose or a flat one.

>>17942600
oh and also, after she gained 20 you should have noticed, judging by your other GF destroying your shit and this I'm determining you don't pay much attention to your women after the "honeymoon" period and let the shit crumble around you.

>>17942600
Well fuck. In the fantasy that I'm the one responsible for the terrible things those women did to me, I guess I'm the one who isn't compatible with white girls. The 1.2 white births per white woman must be the fault of white men too. It sure is a good thing that white woman aren't responsible for the evil things they do; that would be misogyny--stupid evil white men making them do these things. I suppose l'll just have to wallow my incompatible ass in the jubilee my gf brings me everyday. Poor me.

>>17942634
>Well fuck. In the fantasy that I'm the one responsible for the terrible things those women did to me, I guess I'm the one who isn't compatible with white girls. The 1.2 white births per white woman must be the fault of white men too. It sure is a good thing that white woman aren't responsible for the evil things they do; that would be misogyny--stupid evil white men making them do these things

>I can never be in the wrong ever, it is clearly white womens fault
>If you disagree with me you are a feminist

Try leaving your Korean GF for 3 months and see if she doesn't cheat on you, thats the only thing that is legitimately not your fault and I am telling you that women are not loyal to a man that isn't providing for them, that is only nature, It has nothing to do with race in this respect.

The other three were your fault either directly or indirectly, women are emotionally like children, they're men without reason or accountability. If you let your GF gain 90 lbs without stopping her before it got away from her you cannot blame her alone, she is not a man therefore not entirely cognizant of her choices, Asian women have a way of waiting until you commit to them before fucking you over and once they do they do it harder than any other race of women which is why I've never dated one to a serious level. Yes its a fun ride while it lasts but its all a ploy.

Your other GF got pissed at you because rather than going out with her you chose video games, you should be ashamed of yourself in that regard.

>>17942505
The fault still isn't with millennials. The fault is with the shitty hand they got from some boogeyman.

>>17942653
>>>/r9k/

>>17942679
>implying r9k would defend your gfs

Sorry you're butthurt that you're just a bad boyfriend who doesn't know how to show your woman you care about her, you literally fed your girlfriend pig slop for two years because you didn't care what she ate while you played video games all day.

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>>17942653
I really have no excuse good enough to leave her for 3+ months. Besides, I wouldn't want to. Also, I'll take my chances with marriage data over the word of someone who has never dated one to a serious level. If you are right, that this is all a ploy she puts on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365.25 days a year, then after she drops that facade and does something horrible to me like the other 4 girls had, then I'll leave her and try again with another girl. I still stand by what I said earlier: I seriously plan to marry her since a major fuckup is pretty much impossible from her.

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>>17942696
>If you are right, that this is all a ploy she puts on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365.25 days a year
>mfw someone as stupid as you looks at asian history and culture and don't even think that might be possible

>>17942701
I lost you. If they were likely than white women to transform into beasts after marriage, then wouldn't their divorce rates be higher? My graph seems solid enough to reject the notion that Asian women are remotely likely to transition such a paradigm shift. Again, I seriously plan to marry her since a major fuckup is pretty much impossible from her.

>>17940783
so basically you had a privileged upbring and got to experience everything you wanted and youre telling everyone else they may not have had as much that they have to do all this expensive frustrating bullshit because you think its the "most satisfying experience of life (which reads as you think its really fucking neato man)" yeah ill skip the bullshit thanks.

>>17942709
>If they were likely than white women to transform into beasts after marriage, then wouldn't their divorce rates be higher?
Nope, Asian women are taught by their parents to intertwine themselves in your career and business so it effectively makes it livelihood suicide to divorce them.

>>17940988
>Every one of your ancestors has managed to produce offspring, you haven't. How does this not bother you?
most everyones ancestors were fucking farmers and having each hands to work was an economic necessity you tard. i dont even know the first names of any of my great grandparents. my great grandparents dont even know what i look like (cause they died before i was born). why should i give a fuck what they think?

>>17942726
>most everyones ancestors were fucking farmers and having each hands to work was an economic necessity you tard
Look up how much farmland you need to maintain to feed a family of four in the 18th century you millennial shithead then complain @ me again about how "raising kids is hard" for you.

>>17942725
>so it effectively makes it livelihood suicide to divorce them
Please explain this. She supports my ambitions to move up in my company and has never harbored any animosity when I get passed over for the promotion, which is over 10 times more often. Her contribution to my career and business is being the paragon of support and respect.

>>17942730
are you fucking stupid literally most of the worlds population were farmers until very recently. if your ancestors weren't farmers in the 18th century then they most fucking definitely were in the 14th.

>Look up how much farmland you need to maintain to feed a family of four in the 18th century

how about no. roughly half the population in the united states were farmers unitl the LAST CENTURY. the point is your 'bloodline' means fucking shit unless your in the top .0001%. you could be a millionaire from a long line of millionaires and i still probably haven't fucking heard of you or never will. you don't understand how big a number 7 billion is do you?

>>17942735
>She supports my ambitions to move up in my company and has never harbored any animosity when I get passed over for the promotion
Once you get married she'll get to know everyone you work with and become close friends with females you work with, and when she has a problem she will voice them to them as a way of making your life difficult. Your boss and coworkers will always find a way to know about your home troubles because in Asian culture your boss is as much a part of your family as her father is.

>>17942741
>you don't understand how big a number 7 billion is do you?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT 3 BILLION OF THAT 7 BILLION DEFECATES IN THE STREET?

>>17942747
yes but that only proves my point

Forcefully bringing another consciousness into existence to make them slowly realize they're not special and everything is shit and everyone/thing they care about will be destroyed, yet they're trapped by their unconscious survival instinct seems like the ultimate long-con troll and I'm all about that shit

>>17940739
That's what most people think. Then they blame the demographic shift on muh moral degeneration instead of capitalism.

>>17942745
I work at a contract construction company. There are no females. The men are of high moral character. If they do turn on me because of something she said, then I definitely did something horrible enough to deserve what's coming to me.

>>17942761
>The men are of high moral character. If they do turn on me because of something she said, then I definitely did something horrible enough to deserve what's coming to me.
Ah so you already plan to find yourself in part 2, the part where your midget demon cunt wife just emasculates you completely and takes your mentally ill half-happa kid leaving you destitute and self-blaming, begging to have her back even though shes the one who caused all this trouble.

>>17942770
>>17942696
But the point here is that white women are more likely to do this leaving business. These potential disaster explanations are making me all the more cautious and careful to avoid the women they are more likely with. If I want to avoid my wife emasculating me, taking the kids, and ruining my life, then the graph, and personal experience, seems to indicate that white women are not the way to go.

>>17942475
You will rarely find people trying to be inspirational over material wealth. Ambition tends to be alienating, based on imaginary ladders of success and all in all, doesn't contribute to happiness past a easy to reach point.
I don't see the point of buying a car or jewellery worth the same amount of money. When money is blown so stupidly, things lose their appeal. And I really don't think it would bring me joy like a daughter does.
But to each its own. I was part of your crowd before.

>This might be a perk. With the money I saved from not having children, I could pay for some nice care at a retirement community.
Pretty sure it would not replace the connection each good parent has with their kid, not would it feel you with happiness when you see them "repay" you for everything you did.

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>>17942778
Just looked at where you got those statistics from
Rosalind (((BERSHKOWITZ))) King is a left-wing activist who likes to shill the idea that the United States is overpopulated while at the same time supporting foreign aide causes for the third world, the "co-author" aka her pet is pic related

https://twitter.com/RBKingPop

Don't have kids then, more parking spots.

>>17940841
>We can go do whatever we want whenever we want
I wouldn't count on that. You both will probably be old and sick, that limits most of the stuff you can do.
Anyway, for me, I want to have children because I just think that when I'm old and almost lifeless knowing a part of me lives on is going to be really fulfilling. I'm an atheist, for me death is the very end and having kids sounds like a way to cheat it a little bit, even if I won't be councious to see it.

>>17942801
By all means, give me a better source. Even if the data are bogus, I will take my own anecdotal evidence over the opinions of someone who has never seriously dated Asians in the past. I thought you had some good points that I could learn from and understand why White women have been horrible to be in my experiences, but all you've done is project your ideas that Asian women are all hiding daggers behind their backs and ready to leave at a moment's notice with everything you have. You make these claims, not with any data or even firsthand experiences of being divorces by at least one Asian, no, you make these claims as someone who has never seriously dated one. Your words demonizing Asian women while not even defending white women (instead shaming white men and calling white women inculpable since they are big children) were received with an open mind. However, I learned nothing from your baseless hate, save delving even further into my own beliefs and plans to eventually marry the girl who loves me back.

>>17940739
Different people want kids for different reasons.I notice that women with a ticking biological clock tend to instigate having kids more than any other reason. I don't think I would bring life into this horrible world unless a dream girl was worth keeping around.

>>17942770
Lol /pol/ and /r9k/ all wrapped up into one miserable person. Your parents have failed you.

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>>17940739
> buying cars, going on awesome vacations, and eating nicely
So you want to be a fat assed, obnoxious American, fucking underage Thai ladyboys until you get drunk in your depression one night and wrap your Lamborghini Veneno around a tree.

Sounds like a plan. Some guys probably shouldn't pass on their genes anyway. The world would be a better place if your bf just swallowed.

>>17943601
Or you know just live a happy stress free life on their own terms.

Unless you're a religiousfag nothing matters. Do what you want to do as long as it's within the confines of the law and not being a prick to others.

"Muh genes" is just what losers say because they know they'll never have an impact on the world either way. Most people won't it's no big deal.

>>17943601
>Other than having kids, the only pursuit in life is nepotism

Were you serious about this? I'm genuinely curious.

>>17943712
I think you meant hedonism. But yea that's a silly thought on his part.

>>17943601

Yeah, because I said I wanted to let myself go and fuck hookers and be a bother to people while I travel... How about I act like a normal fucking person, pleasantly enjoying the pursuits of my life and treating others with respect?

Unless you're honestly saying that having kids is the only thing that holds people back from just becoming absolute pieces of shit... Which means they'll probably raise more piece of shit kids.

And for all of those people saying "any good parent will raise a great kid to be proud of," I completely disagree. My good friend's dad is a highly respected orthopedic surgeon, his mom always very attentive to him, and what'd he do? Join a gang and do drugs until his brain fried on him. Nothing they could do, and the strain of trying to get him straight broke up their marriage. I've got plenty more similar examples.

Only because you won't have children that doesn't mean that you will save these 230k and have them at your disposal.

Do you smoke? No? Then you probably still don't save the money others use to buy their smokes each day.. same deal

>>17943905
What are you blathering about?

By not smoking and not having children and not doing *insert whatever* I've not spent said money and have it at my disposal to save or spend.

>>17943916

Yeah, or I haven't gone into debt over it - or had to find an extra job, or beg the boss for a raise to handle it.

>>17942818
So you're saying that if I'm with someone, we'll be too old and sick to do anything in the 18 years it took to raise a child?

Because I see it the exact opposite way. If I went out and impregnated someone TODAY, I'd be 49 by the time they finally went to college. Then 53 by the time they graduated, when I likely would be too old and sick to go do anything. Or at least still stuck working for another 12 years to have a prayer of retirement at 65... so I can what, sit out the end of my life at home with my kid coming home to spoon me applesauce?

Sure, after retirement, I'll still have a decade or two of usefulness, but then it's all over. Right now, I have my whole life ahead of me.

It's a perfect distraction from existential dread.

>>17944022

This is the first post I've seen that has made any sense on the pro-baby side, besides the aforementioned "they take care of you when you're dying" comments.

>>17943875

Oddly, I've seen this happen to a good chunk of wealthier kids too, I come from the lower-middle-class but back in HS had seen these rich kids get into drugs and then hooked into being a drug dealer and what not.

I was in ROTC and I tell you, like 99% of the people who always took that class did amazing after they got out of high school, they were disciplined, professional and knew what needed to be done.

I think in modern public schools, teaching discipline has gone to the way-side. It's more of a conveyor belt now and cross your fingers and pray that the students pass, approach. A lot of teachers either didn't give a shit, had way too many kids in the class, some upwards of 30 to 35 to sometimes even 40. And one teacher has to try and get all those kids to understand a concept, then you have the delinquents who fucked around and interrupted class with stupid bullshit and drama, which cut the hour or so class down to 15 to 30 minutes of actual teaching because they are either texting, fucking around with other students, or just being obnoxious.

It doesn't help that society is so pro-drug atm, with this experimentation "mind expanding", trying to connect with the universe hoo-doo-voo-doo bullshit.

But my approach to even considering having kids is this... can I support them, my wife and myself alone without any kind of outside help? If I can honestly say "no", then I am not gonna take a gamble on raising kids whilst living on the edge of our means. On top of that, with my job and life, will I be able to give them enough of my time to help teach them and help them grow into a competent, respectable, and disciplined adult, or will they be left at home with their mother, and I would rarely see them.

>>17944260
>It doesn't help that society is so pro-drug atm, with this experimentation "mind expanding", trying to connect with the universe hoo-doo-voo-doo bullshit.

Society isn't pro-drug. Some people yes but you are exaggerating.

>>17944022
This seems to be why most people in the west have kids.

>>17940739
This is just propaganda to prevent white people from having children. It sounds crazy but think about it. white birth rates are low because every relative of theirs says "make money and get a career before you have children!" So they end up having kids in their mid 30s, many of them unable to conceive at this point, compared to other races who have multiple children in their early 20s regardless of how much they make per year.
Don't believe this shit.

>>17942181
Any more tips like this, or a website with them? Me and my wife don't make so much but we have a baby on the way.

>>17945541

Take that tin-foil off my guy

If you're seeing your child as another expense like a water bill then by all means don't get any children. Children are much more than things that you throw money at. They are human beings you bring into this world that you pass on good values on and nurture. Not liabilities or investments for the future.

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>>17940790
>you never know, your own kid could even end up more famous than hitler.

God damn that's beautiful

>>17942321
>Which party was responsible for feminism?

>>17940803
That is just ridiculous. I'm kinda neutral with this matter: I don't want kids but I understand who wants them but with 16 years old? Am I the only one who thinks it's crazy, or is it normal somewhere in the world?

>>17945584
yeah well child does have to do these things called eat. and wear clothes. and you have buy those. with money. and you have to work for money. and you have to buy that stuff for yourself. and its sort of hard for just anyone to afford even one kid these days

>>17945608
The modern state of feminism? I'd say both. Conservatives are responsible for destroying marriage after Ronald Reagan legalized no-fault divorces, and Republicans are still promoting feminism by vehemently campaigning against women signing up for the draft. On the other hand, Democrats have promoted the college culture of men being rapists after as as little as a drunk sexual encounter, and have pushed women to lose their happiness and blame men because they focus on their careers instead of an inherently less stressful family focus.