How terrifying is it for men to be seen as creepy? I've

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It's enough so that it's one of the reasons I regularly contemplate suicide.

I don't know, I'm not a girl, but girls do have insanely high standards nowadays (and so do I)

>>17917018 here
There's also this: >>17913877

>>17917009
we dont pay you for sex, we pay you to not bother us afterwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOmRbEPn4Do

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>>17917009
I'm one of these men. I do it because it seems no matter what I do, women just aren't interested in me. Sometimes women must misunderstand what I'm saying, I try to be friendly to everybody, but I guess it rubs women the wrong way. Lol, I've slowly been draining my savings over the last year doing this

>>17917009

Eh it's easy and cheap for the most part, it's a pain in the ass to use the conventional methods of getting laid unless you're really attractive. I don't feel like putting in the whole dog and pony show just to get a bit of attention from a chick.

>>17917009

its a growing trend. not enough to put an end to this hook up culture that we've cultivated, but it is growing. one day we might end up like japan but for different reasons.

This is the reason I will be friendly with a girl but never pursue one sexually.

Besides, jerking off is a much more time efficient way to dispose of sexual urges that would otherwise only get in the way of more interesting activities, of which the world provides a shitload.

>>17917060
autism

>>17917107
ablist

being called creepy doesn't seem like it's as bad as you make it seem. girls call any guy that gives them unwanted attention creepy so it's not really a death sentence unless you roll in the same friend group.
your life will get fucked if you get called a rapist though

>>17917124
Nah man being known as creepy is literally the worst thing that can possibly happen. I've had it described to me by a girl to be "the kiss of death"

I'm a man and I'm arguably seen as creepy by women. I've got long hair, kinda look like Walter Sullivan. It doesn't bother me

>>17917009
>I mean, I've heard stories about people ruining their reputation and social status by creeping out the wrong girl, intentionally or no. But I didn't think it was this bad.

I'm fucking TERRIFIED of this after my friend had his life wrecked by an ex gf.

He caught her cheating and did the "alpha" thing and threw her shit out on the curb and told her to fuck off. Was all good and well until she came back with the cops and some bruises she made up and got his ass arressted. Lost his job, his apt, had to move back in with parents after lengthy court.

When they say the courts favor women, it's NOT A FUCKING JOKE. You will be crucified there, at one point he was in tears at my place asking why he deserved it. It utterly broke him.

I don't have a gf, I'm a robot, but if that's what I'm going to risk. Fuck. That.

>>17917306
People call me a salty loser when I say the risk is bad for girlfriends.

I have this same fear. I have Asperger's Syndrome and most girls get tired of me really quick once I start talking to them. I usually have trouble knowing exactly what to say and when I say something, I'm not sure if I should have said it or how it will make the other person feel. In my awkwardness I feel like I might creep a girl out, probably because she gets lots of creeps going to her and asking for nudes or being pervs, etc. And I don't want to seem like one of those pervs because I don't want to scare her away. So I'm humble as hell and awkward and girls just get tired of it. So this is pretty much my life. I've tried to not be too humble and friendly and I'm not used to it, I haven't learned all the right queues and social norms for not being shy and awkward, so I come off as egotistical and condescending. Now that I'm thinking about it, no girl has ever called me creepy. I just fear looking like any other perv off the internet is all.

>>17917363
I'm an Aspie as well.

Literally gave up and got fat. Sometimes I get the urge to call a hooker but they're too damn expensive and well, I have a rifle collection to polish and take care of, and that shit's not cheap.

There's way too much risk these days if you're not attractive and even when I was marginally attractive and got some girls' looks I was too used to not being attractive and not going anywhere with it. I'm probably going to diet to get the weight under control but more for health than looks at this point.

>>17917382
Well I wish you the best of luck.
I'm not fat, but that's only because I have a high metabolism and I'm still relatively young. It's gotten to the point where I can tell if a girl is really just a scammer behind a pretty picture because the picture is pretty. No pretty girls ever like me. But through my experience I've learned it's better to be alone. The only real relationships I ever had that lasted longer than a day made me realize I get a lot less done when I have to split my attention between what I love doing and my girlfriend. She cheated on me with a crackhead and then cheated on me again with the guy who cheated on her a long time ago and then broke up with me saying it was my fault for being "too nosy" - HAHA

Anyways, I'm done with relationships. I'm young, but I can never find anyone my age who is mature and even if I did, I'm too busy for that shit anyways.

>>17917009
It got a bunch of my friends expelled from high school because some girl lied that they were stalking her/plotting something..

>>17917306
I'm just another stranger on the internet, but I hope she burns.

I've been fucked with one too many times by women trying to ruin my life.

I stay well the fuck away now, and just fuck hookers if I really need to. Otherwise its my hand and me.

You guys are pussies all the women are getting fucked by fuckboys and your crying about putting up a show grow a ducking pair

>>17917533
OH YEAH?!

GO DUCK YOURSELF!

>>17917009
You should be more worried about your own reputation and social status...gross

>>17917363
I'm honestly really worried about this for my cousin (who is 9) but has pretty severe aspergers. Although, because he's prone to rage and aggression when he doesn't get what he wants, I'm more worried there will be a reason for women to be worried and 'creeped out' by him.

>>17917306
This happens so much it's scary. We're living in weird fucking times and I too have known someone that got messed up like this, the guy can't even see his kids anymore.

It's little wonder that people are afraid to approach each other anymore.

>>17917559
When I was little I used to freak out when my mom took me out of doing one thing straight into doing another thing. For example, if I was playing in the sandbox and my mom put me in the car to go to the store, I would cry all the way there.

She had to ease me into it. Baby steps. Make me feel like I wanted to do it.

All this was before I could remember though. I was just a toddler.

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>>17917009

The rise of the internet age has spawned a new breed of good looking, well dressed, functional kids with absolutely no social skills; a generation of kids who believe in their hearts that all of life's joys should be accessible through a mouse click.

They've spent their entire lives on the internet being spoonfed neckbeard propaganda, actively avoiding any hard truths in life that may inconvenience or contradict the ideologies they've been trained to embrace. They avoid conflict. They avoid growth. They avoid change. They avoid these things because they're uncomfortable and in a generation where all you have to do to be comfortable is log onto your favorite site and become anyone other than yourself the choice becomes habit. They boil down life to simple metrics and any deviation from those metrics is scorned and rejected. Being proven wrong is no longer a humbling experience. Learning new things is no longer an opportunity for growth. Rejection is no longer motivation to improve. The world is at fault for all of their failures because they were never raised with the ability to process disappointment. Any deviation from their preconceived metrics is now a threat that must be attacked and defeated.

They participate in their group echo chambers, surrounding themselves only with people that support them, seemingly oblivious to the fact that they have become the exact same self-serving, safe space loving cry babies they claim to be better than.

They project. They cry. They hate, then they come to you because instant gratification is one of the few lessons in life they're willing to swallow.

When civilizations burn and crumble only the entitled, ignorant and narcissistic will rise from the ashes.

>>17917577
Aspergers presents differently in different people, but my cousin goes into rages and also has a major mean streak; I'm a bit worried for him.

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Lol, we live in a culture where women are told their beautiful and entitled to whatever they want from birth by Disney and pop media. Men meanwhile are held up impossible standards to live up to and treated as failures if they can't, regardless of achievements in other arenas. It's no wonder perfectly acceptable guys lack self confidence.

What's almost comical is that women have a lesser version of the same problem, but it's all you ever hear about when this issue comes up.

Insert barbie vs he man.jpg

>>17917654
EXACTLY

Men are held up to impossible standards as well. Most men just don't cry and complain about it.

To women: You're not a princess. You're not perfect. A knight in shining armor won't save you. Get out of fucking fairy land or you'll get no where in life.

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>>17917660
>>17917654

Y'all seem lost.

>>>/r9k/ is the board you're looking for.

>>17917663
I realize it was off topic.
He brought it up, I agreed with him.

>>17917660
Look, it's just the media telling you that. Most women don't have a damsel complex, and we don't (or at least, I don't) think my problems are any worse than the average man.

I would however say that women OUTSIDE the west have it worse than men.

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>>17917675
>I would however say that women OUTSIDE the west have it worse than men.
You'll hear no argument there, shit is pretty fucked up for women beyond the western world. When I hear women in western countries go on about muh problems and muh oppression, I just think about how the "oppression" is over comparatively trivial shit to what women in the rest of the world are dealing with.

>>17917009

honestly I would prefer that women would call me faggot than creep

>>17917675
I agree with you there. Not all women believe their problems are worse than men's.
I also agree that in some countries women DO have it a lot worse than men.

>>17917679
Me too. Which is why I'll not use the 'feminist' label.

Not enough is being done there, at all. I'd only identify with that in the broadest terms, but certainly not the modern movement.

>>17917685
Essentially what my gf considers herself too. She's pretty annoyed that feminazis and shit have ruined feminism.

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>>17917681
>>17917679
>>17917675

This is the problem with you kids right here. Its always a "who has it worse than who" contest, as if somehow if you can prove that the cards are more stacked against you than someone else then you have free reign to toss the responsibility of your failures onto anyone and everyone.

You're constantly comparing your woes to everyone else's and for what? Lets say, for the sake of argument, that you somehow are able to logically quantify that women "have it easier" than men. Then what? What does that do other than give you a sense of justification for invalidating other people?

So what if someone feels like their problems are worse than yours? What do you gain by clawing and fighting to be 1st in the "my life is the hardest" contest?

Men have some shit easy and they have some shit hard. Women have some shit easy and they have some shit hard. We're all humans. We're all gonna die. Everyone is entitled to have problems, regardless of whether or not you feel likes yours are worse. I don't get why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

Live your fucking life and stop making the validity of other people's problems your problem.

I don't get you kids at all.

>>17917700
That doesn't contradict what I said at all (am >>17917675).

I agree with you.

However, I do not think it's wrong to point out that people in the developing world have it worse than ALL of us. It doesn't invalidate our problems, or anyone's really. It's just stating a fact, and I said it in direct reply to someone else.

>>17917700
>Men have some shit easy and they have some shit hard. Women have some shit easy and they have some shit hard. We're all humans. We're all gonna die. Everyone is entitled to have problems, regardless of whether or not you feel likes yours are worse. I don't get why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

That's my opinion also but I think it's fair to say that some problems can be compared and that people with things relatively easy should just calm the fuck down and deal with it. Life isn't fair and that's fine.

>>17917700
I agree with this. I just get annoyed when women complain about how men have it easier.

Stupidity is so annoying

>>17917711
Pretty much this. Both sides have it shitty, it's just that one side screams louder about it than the other.

>>17917675

what is funny here In muslim world its all because Islam granted women with rights... and overdid it.

In Islam children are man responsibility. Basically any children born in marriage are only fathers. Mother can abandon them and go to live with someone else at any moment (acording to Koran). Any money a woman earns belong to her and only her. She does not need or is required to contribute to family. She can buy dresses and shoes while her children will go hungry and only man will be blamed (again according to Koran)

I think it backlashed at some point and benefits became the source of opression.

>>17917715
>One side screams louder about
Well, it's not that side that scremas louder on 4chan or parts of reddit they don't...But anyway.

>>17917719
Uh, sure they have rights in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan. Sure they do buddy.

>>17917726

Tradition differs from Koran.

>>17917728
But you said 'in the Muslim world', not 'in the Koran,

Also, the Koran like most religious texts is quite contradictory. It also says women can't divorce as easily as men and that women's testimony is only worth half a mans.

Just like in some places it says don't trust or befriend Jews or Christians but in others that the other 'people of the book' are okay.

That's the thing about religious texts, they're so convoluted and contradictory you can cherry pick it to suit just about everything you want to say.

>>17917741

doesnt matter its completly off topic

This thread is spiraling off course

We are all getting off topic..

>>17917748
I think we've already established that it's bad for a man to be called creepy. Why can't we have a different discussion as well if OP's question has been answered a million times over

>>17917748
>>17917728
>>17917719
Go to sleep Sweden

>>17917009
Well, you can literally never have physical contact with a women and there's going to be 10% of the faculty in very powerful position that believes as long as a woman believes she was raped then she was raped...

So if you can be an off the grid gal to get your sexual frustration out but also be spending the same amount of money on a girl - the risk of being called a rapist or any other reputation ruining bullshit then obviously that's the smart thing to do now.

>>17917769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2ks3JmHPCQ

>>17917722
wow male dominated websites have a male bias.

Crazy aint it

Creepy is literally the equivalent of what calling someone racist used to be.

Er, pic related?

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>>17917009

I can't speak for other men in this thread, but it annoys me to be labeled a "creep" or "creepy" when I'm generally trying to be a nice person.

For example, A girl I semi-know posted a meme on her Instagram that said something along the lines of "I want to give him all of me and my neck" which was a reference to BDSM/DDLG culture. I responded with some heart emojis because I genuinely liked the post, it was relevant to my interests.

What I didn't pay attention to was the other thirsty comments left by some of the other men. She ended up tagging me (and them) in a comment saying something like... "It's not an invitation." Which made me feel like shit because I wasn't trying to act thirsty, it was something I liked.

I tried messaging her explain that I wasn't trying to hit on her, and that I really did just like the post and she just ignored me... which doesn't help my situation.

>>17918010
That is creepy though.

>>17918016
Then I guess we have different opinions

>>17917009
funny thing, women are actually the ones suffering for it.
soooo many girls have really hard problems with getting a bf, but they dont complain here on 4chan(rather on other sides).
I myself am an attractive introvert, and actually get hit on a lot by girls. Thing is I am way to shy to respond in any positive way, so they quickly back off. But before they do that, I can see the disappointment and pain in their eyes(they probably think I rejected them).
Its such a good feeling.
Thank you society, that it has come to this.

>>17918037
Are you a woman? Don't you find this odd?

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>>17918016
>>17918045
>be straight woman
>make post about sexual shit
>get mad when men reply
>call them creeps

I act like a complete asshole to avoid being called creepy
I treat girls like garbage when I first meet them
I talk about myself, don't ask any questions about them
Better to be a self obsessed insecure loser than a creepy fuck
It works
Try it

ITT: boring bullshit

Assuming that only ugly / aged / non-functional men visit escorts or that this is a new thing is plain wrong.

Maybe the reasons nowadays are just different.
Maybe the last straw of 60-70s counterculture is finally gone.

You just want to rant about something very specific

>>17918078
I don't understand what you are trying to say.

the potential loss in reputation is the only real 'downside' to being a creep (assuming the context is pre-relationship established). it basically means that whatever your doing isnt working. if a bunch of people had faith in you before, they lose when they realize whatever youre doing isnt working. fortunately at some point most people realize women are fucking stupid and have no,idea what they want and if they do its usually something completely retard. so being a creep now just means youre doing something really fucking wrong and you really do deserve the stigma

>>17917999
If you do a reverse Google search, yeah.

>>17918089
The sad thing is, a ruined reputation can have drastic consequences and cost you everything.

Everybody except the white knights know whores lie these days. The creep thing is a non-issue to me.

>>17917009
>How terrifying is it for men to be seen as creepy?
It depends on the guy. Some are more frightened by the possibility than others. However...

>I mean, I've heard stories about people ruining their reputation and social status by creeping out the wrong girl, intentionally or no.
This does happen from time to time. Having been there myself, it isn't fun. Once you're in, there are basically only two ways out: carry on a successful relationship without going psycho, or move to a place where nobody knows you and start over. The former is made more difficult by the very reputation you're trying to shake off, and the latter is, well, moving to a place where nobody knows you and starting over.

So yeah, most men are at least a little scared of that. The levels of constant stark terror you're talking about are rare; that's almost at the point that one could call it clinical gynophobia. It's usually not a constant thing, and it's usually not THAT severe. What you're seeing are the most phobic of the most phobic. But at much lower levels, some fear is common.

>>17917009
the only difference between a creepy and non-creepy interaction is how attractive the man looks and how much money he has.

>>17917009
OP, I counter it is no because men are concerned about being a creep but more so that women now have the attention span of a dick gnat and more concerned with being the star of their own reality show, gathering adoring male fans.

I choose not to play along with that groupie shit and prefer the honesty of the transaction you offer for female interaction. Nothing is cooler than a post coital chat with a prostitute. Nothing to hide and everything on the table and when she or I go out the door it's over.

>>17917029
Wiser words had not been spoken, however, superficiality and artificial social status is the name of the game nowadays. Equals less human population.
It's actually a good thing tbqh. It'll keep overpopulation in check for a few hundred years. You're doing a good job OP.

>>17917009

creepy is bad no doubt about it

but for every jack there is a jill

plenty of goofy gals out there too

>>17917533
Women are idiots who ultimately have the final say of who to open their legs to and who to ruin their lives if they feel we're mistreated.

/thread

>>17918057
>Things that don't happen

The post

>>17918613
'Goofy girls' can still get normal/average guys.

>>17917009
first off, are you actually pic related, that be pretty cool

and second thing:
how is the life of a prostitute and why did you chose it?
and its pretty weird to think about, but most people are sexually frustrated, I broke up a relationship some six months back and the only sex relation was with street hooker after a very drunk night with friends
I not only to me but girls, but be really frustrated, I always see them all dressed up, pretty and reap for the taking, but ending up going back home alone

and what really looks good about paying for the relation is that you have nothing to hide and just go straight for it
where as normal people, just won't go for the banging straight away

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1) Pressured by society to get a girl because otherwise you gay, loser, virgin, etc.
2) Hit on girls straight out of social pressure, not even feeling good or joyful about it because so much pressure and insecurity but you have to pretend that you like it
3) Be called a creep because going autismo and breaking during basic bitch shit tests that make it not easier for you
4) Now you are not only a virgin and gay, but also a creep
5) Get more nervous and pressure with every next try
6) erectile dysfunction when you finally get to it because still so much stress
7) repeat cycle

That's exaggerated but summarizes how many men feel about it

>>17917533
HAHAHA, phone posters ladies and gentlemen!

>>17918010
You don't try to explain yourself to her. You should have deleted her from your friends list.

>>17918609
Good. Too many damn naked apes on this over-sized dirt clod.

>>17917009
I studying some form of engineering. Engineering used to be 100% men but now my class is 50-50 women to men. I try to treat the women in my class as I would guys. Not everyone who studies engineering is weird as fuck, but the culture tends to be a lot more conservative than the rest of college. Talking about drinking and sex is still taboo. Many students don't even drink.

I treat women in my class as people and try to not to think about having sex with them. I spend most of my time working with my class so I don't really want to ruin everything by asking someone out and destroying the family feel.

Showing any attraction to other women and talking about them sexually is generally considered inappropriate.

I think this happens in a lot of places, especially at more prestigious companies or universities. It is generally unacceptable to use this area as a dating pool so you have to turn elsewhere. Online dating is absolutely awful and requires a huge amount of effort that is sorta humiliating.

>>17917166
it would be, if we lived in one small village. I have been a creep at highschool and in my hometown, no girl there ever talked to me, because I was the weird kid.

But I moved to another city to college and moved on with my life, where people were open towards me and interested and so I became the person nobody saw inside of me beforehand. Nowadays idgaf about the old folks but they now starerape me whenever I encounter them, in that incestious village.

>>17918939
that's why it's so important for men to avoid social preasure. you can confront if later on, but when you have achieved little in life, it easily pushes you into a depression.

How does being a prostitute work? Like at an outcall should I give money when we're both inside or what?

Seriously considering getting a prostitute because I have the money and there are some really pretty girls on Backpage I wouldn't be able to get otherwise.

really trying to get into that website from OP pic, but they been having "technical difficulties" for some time now

>>17917533
that is because fuckboys are getting sex already and don't come out as desperate. they have no problem playing multiple girls at the same time meanwhile the guy who wants an actual relationship comes out as desperate because he is not having sex or has no girlfriend. the hungry don't get to eat

>>17917306
This shit is why I've stopped being angry about being a virgin at 20+.

No skank will walk up to me and demand child support or pull shit like this.

>>17917009

Men are pussies nowadays

Which means women will have no morals and fuck anything that walks

Men are responsible for the state of society today.

>>17920079

There is a difference between being a pussy, and doing a risk/reward evaluation and finding out that maybe the risks are not worth the reward.

As for how women act these days? That's on them. I cannot be held responsible for the actions of people I do not interact with.

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>>17920079
"men" today

>>17917054
thats actually nice

>>17918609
It will keep Western population down. The muslims and asians bread like roaches

>>17919251
Give them the money when you're both inside. If they ask for the money before they come in with you, be very, very careful she doesn't try and leave. And if you do give her the money outside and she decides to leave, there isn't much you can do, because she could just call rape. That won't happen with professional escorts, but a lot of hookers on the backpage aren't exactly professional

I'm secure enough that I'm not worried about what people think of me.

What you are seeing is the result of feminist cancer that's spreading. Men would rather pay for sex with a rational person, than date a "strong woman" who just sees him as a sperm donor, uses him to get pregnant, so she can get government benefits and child support, and prove how "independent" she is by ignoring reality.

>>17918625
You're not supposed /thread yourself buddy.

>>17920287
nigga looks dead inside