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Therapy isn't helping

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Every time I search "Indian" in a new forum (like recently, /r/askmen), I see exactly what I expect. How we're the bottom of the dating totem pole, ugly, and perceivably creepy according to women. I've gone to therapy and I told her that I will never find mutual attraction because I'm short and Indian. She told me there are some girls who are attracted to that (lol). She said I'm still young (I'm 20, and I've never had a mutual attraction in my life.) She said, despite my acne I'm still attractive. (Pls don't tell me to go fuck my therapist you trolls). I felt meh after that, but when I go back to the internet and see shit like "90% of Indian men are incels" I feel a black hole in my stomach and I want to die. None of my passions or hard work will matter. I go to the gym, and I'm going to make 6 figures after college. I have lots of friends, but like two "friends" who are girls who I barely talk to. I just want to be normal. I want to wait it out till Ray Kurzweil's vision of the future where we can have body and mind enhancements. Maybe I'll be good enough by 2045.
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anybody?
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>>17853707
Ask aziz ansari
He seems to be pretty content with his standings
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>>17853814
but when i ask regular people on the internet, they tell me I have no chance at anything. I'm just here to work and die and never find love.
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>>17853707
Go fuck your therapist

There's a reason they are called the-rapist y'know
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>>17853819
I'm just saying he's found a way to deal with it, so it's possible

You think his whole career coming up he didn't have issues with this
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>>17853707
I am velly solly, but there is nothing I can doOo. Just keep stroking it.
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what reasons do i have to not kill myself.
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>>17853833
It's not like I can actually go ask him. What would you tell me? This board is for advice...
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>>17853707
Yes, Indians are so awful and undesirable they're literally everywhere. Indians only fuck less than the Chinese, come on.
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>>17853853
so it's true
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>>17853848
You could actually
Try messaging him
Or seeing him live

I've gotten a letter back from magic Johnson when I was little
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>>17853707
At least you're not black.
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>>17853865
black guys pull what are you talking about. who cares about school and money if you're ugly and can't get laid?
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>>17853865
and honestly what the fuck kind of consolation is that? i've heard that before. why is that even considered advice? would you tell someone with cancer, "hey at least you're not quadriplegic."
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>tfw indian
>but native american indian

checkmate, atleast im attractive
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>>17853707

In a way I feel your pain at least to do with online forums and that (autistic) but honestly you are thinking on this too much, my old friends who are similar to you they get women from white to their own race. You have friends and even some girl friends, chat with them more hang out with them and they will introduce you to new women who might find you attractive IF you act normal, if you start acting desperate and shit then no they won't like you.

All you can do is improve yourself, keep going out with your friends and talk more, it is the only thing I could do to get anywhere and it is the same for you.
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>>17853875
The white people who came to North America couldn't tell the difference.
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>>17853856
There are ugly Indians and beautiful Indians. As there are all kinds of people. Fix yourself and nevermind your race. Sure, plenty of people are racists, but just as many aren't, so quit whining.
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Yeah, but still, being indian is a genetic malfunction if it impedes you from getting laid. hundreds of millions of men wouldn't be able to get one girl in america because of this overt maladaptive skin color and everything it represents.
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>>17853889
I've never in my life searched "Indian" in any online forum to find ANYTHING positive. It has to be something people look past or "embrace." It will never be a neutral thing or a positive thing. You'll never know how that feels.
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>>17853896
has anyone ever in the history of man kind preferred an indian over a white/hispanic/black/asian? no. indian is something that has to be looked past for better qualities.
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Your standards are too high; yeah you're pretty much banned from getting with tall blonde blue eyed aryans without something else, but your home country is exploding in population so clearly some indian men get laid on the regular.

you can be short and brown but still have good facial structure, and you can take your six figures, gym bod, any talents and impress some girl from ukraine or moldova if you feel you must have a white partner, but do not count out your own women from your homeland if you are looking strictly for love
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>>17853936
what if i want a brunette western european short girl?
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>>17853896
Perhaps you could spend more time on Quora than here? There is a significant base of Indian users, and they are generally well adjusted people. Surely they can help you out with real insight on the issue.
But really, sharing an ethnicity doesn't mean you look all identical. There are plenty of good looking Indian men, and even more who groom themselves and dress well enough to look pleasing. Riz Ahmed is a great example of one who's not so attractive, but who can clean himself up really nice.
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I don't know any Indian guy who has more trouble with woman than a many of any other race. That said, they're not pathetic desperate /r9k/ types like you.
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>>17853945
*man of any other race
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>>17853947
bullshit. there's a reason why the entire internet makes fun of indian men.
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>>17853707
Have you tried dating other indians? Because you only get bottom of the pole women if you're aiming at an interracial relationship to begin with. You will never get a TRADITIONAL WOMAN OF X race of your dreams because traditional women marry traditional men of their own race.

A good comparison would be white losers who go after their ideal submissive asian waifu. Those asian women don't date whites to begin with.

I don't think any indian woman is going to shit on you for being indian, so it seems like most of your problem is because you're chasing white/mestizo/black/east asian girls that 1) mostly want nothing to do with you in the first place 2) the ones who do aren't going to be worth getting.

desu you sound like a pathetic loser whining because white girls don't like him because he's brown (shock: white girls overwhelming prefer white guys, TV lied to you), so im assuming that's exactly what you are
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>>17853942
Assuming you're OP, you know most white people have brown hair so if your complex is about getting a western girl then all I can say is take your chances and dont pity yourself for rejecting indian women.
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>>17853954
>the internet
>real life
Pick one
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>>17853956
well then how do i cope until the 2040's when i'll be able to live in a virtual fantasy with the girl of my dreams?
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>>17853707
i'm sorry to hear about your problems OP. sounds really rough, and sounds like you have a lot of issues to work through.

also sounds like you place too much importance on looks. a lot of women do that too, to be fair, but there are also women that don't. just be genuine, focus on yourself, and making strong friendships with people, and people that care about you will come and show you that they care.

it's also possible your mannerisms are off-putting? i don't know. it's hard to say. my point is though that i'm sure you're fine. you just need to find less shitty people. sure, they won't come crawling after you, but you don't need that. what you should want is someone who genuinely cares about you for you, and would do anything for you.

i've found that once before, and now recently found it again in a cute short indian girl. she's a little chubby, and maybe isn't a 10/10, but for me, personality has always been the most attractive thing about a person. how well we click and get along is way more important than what she looks like. she's very sweet and loving, and understands me better than most others do. that's enough for me to want to spend my life with her.

good luck anon.
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>>17853985
>implying it will take that long for VR or robot bodies
Hookers or fap regardless.
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>>17853989
how long do you think it'll take? Honestly, the best thing I was blessed with is my mind. I'm creative and good at math. When we have robot bodies, I won't have to worry about getting through the door since that won't matter. I'll just have the substance.
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>>17853995
I think closer to two decades than three. Our current crop of billionaires are pretty insane about living forever. Like that russian guy.

I think his 2045 estimate is too long, not too short. We already have self driving cars (with glitches).
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>>17853998
I would be too honestly. If I had the money/power, it would be the main focus in my life.
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Think it's pretty funny but also sad when people come on here complaining about how they hate being _____ race. That stuff is just a meme, let it go. People can tell when you have low self esteem and i'd say that's probably whats holding you back more than anything. Seems you have it bad so I'd work on making solid friendships above all else before starting down the path of trying to find a relationship.
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>>17854013
I see it being used as an actual concern on /r/askmen. I've never gotten a tinder match from non-indians where no one can tell your self-esteem. it's all true
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>>17854013
also i have a group of ~10 guy friends i hang out with everyday
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>>17854025
>I've never gotten a tinder match from non-indians
Thats your problem right there. If you are solely trying to bang white women, over 93% of the ones that admit to having a preference, aka are being honest, exclude indians. That's a higher percentage than the ones who exclude blacks.

Just bang an indian, there are plenty of hot ones.
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I like Hindu women. They are very pretty. My advice is, get your money on and you'll have your pick of the chicks. Also you are very fortunate to come from a culture that arranges marriages. So, get mom's and aunties help to hook you up in the old country. Until then, get your dick wet on backpage.com escorts or dating. You're no different than the rest of us. Tip: women are attracted to confidence and money. In that order. And DON'T kill yourself! Just do as I say now, you hear!
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>>17854048
how much money do i have to make to fuck a white girl
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>>17854048
Yeah, all we get are the fattys. Oh well.
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>>17854053
I don't know where you live so I can't really give you escort advice anon.
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>>17854052
i'd rather get tortured in hell for eternity then to lose all my pride getting an arranged marriage. same with hookers. as that guy in west world said, "i'd rather earn a woman's affection." too bad i don't have his genes.
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>>17854053
Just have a nice car and buy her things. They really aren't worth the trouble, you know.
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>>17854062
>tfw you you work with a 8/10 indian girl but she doesn't date anyone who isnt indian because of her parents
>idiots like OP exist
this entire thread gave me cancer
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>>17854048
so it's a near statistical impossibility for an indian to get a white girl. wow. where are the firing squads?
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>>17854070
Arraigned marriage RULES! And hooker are perfectly fine. You're going to pay for it one way or the other. Hookers will get you some experience and confidence. Talk to them after you bone them. Develope a personality.
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>>17854075
>so it's a near statistical impossibility for an indian to get a white girl
No, it's a near statistical impossibility for an indian to get an attractive white gf. Anyone can fuck someone of another race because whores.

I would say go for fatties but almost every single white american fat woman ive met was as picky as the attractive ones. I have no idea why, it wasn't like that back in my old country.
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>>17854074
>tfw you see 8/10 white girls every 2 seconds on campus but they won't date you because youre indian
>tfw black people can overcome slavery but i can't overcome fucking a white girl
>people question why you want to die or be transported into a fairer parallel universe
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>>17854089
>tfw black people can overcome slavery
white people killed other white people to free them, dont give talking monkeys credit they dont deserve

everyone whos not black will always have 'at least im not black' going for them

also you got plenty of advice on how to fuck white girls in this thread.
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>>17854088
i don't know if you can tell from this thread, but here where there are so many different races, white people are held in the highest regard. so fat white people feel they are worth a lot just for being white
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>>17853995
Robot bodies you can afford prob like 2045 and it'll mostly just be parts

Vr sex with realistic feeling prob in 10 years; no fap will become the new religion
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>>17854088
>tfw 93% is almost 3 SD's away from an indian fucking a white girl
apparently the remaining 7% are whores so i'll never say i got with a white who was classy
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>>17854098
Yep, there's this 300lb white girl thats just convinced that I'm after her at work. She Did say she would rock my world though....
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>>17854105
its like that for every race. theres a reason why you see rich guys with married/dating hot chicks of ANY race they want, and it isnt because those women are good people
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This thread is absolutely hilarious, what has 4chan become? Manly tears were shed.
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>>17854182
tears of joy or sadness?
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>>17854213
>>17854213
Both, like a man killing himself while having an orgasm.
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>>17854231
what makes you sad about it
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>>17853707
Indian men are percieved as creepy because, well, in my experience, they are. I went to India when I was 13 with my family, and am a girl. They stared, made lewd comments, tried to touch me etc. Maybe start with why exactly it's culturally acceptable to do that in India.
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>>17854254
Sure, I get that. I hate my culture. If I were an influencer of the Indian people I'd start by making them more respectful to women. I don't what I can actually do though. Honestly, by the time I could fix that, I'd be 60 and lost all hopes of ever dating someone. It would go from .01% to the imaginary number i.
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Hey guys, what's going on in this thread.
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>>17854285
I discovered that women's distaste of Indian men is statistically significant. Over 90%.
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>>17854296

Yea dude, just become a doctor and flaunt your S-class. It's your only hope.
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>>17854303
doctors can't own S-classes these days. my dad has his own successful private practice and drives a fucking camry lol.
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>>17854329

I know an orthopedic surgeon pulling $450,000+ a year. Is your dad a general practitioner or in some useless specialty?
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>>17854336
Pediatrician. Around 200-300k a year. we have a big house though
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I live in Asia and see a lot of Indian men with sexy Asian girls. Maybe if you all went outside a little more, you'd see more beauty in the world rather than perpetuating negative stereotypes of which you have little experience.

Face it, we're all too stupid to be able to give a proper account, we go on borrowed stories and ideas from our lives that don't fit real life. When I can't get a girlfriend, it's because I'm working class, when OP can't get a girlfriend, it's because he's Indian. Of course, there's literally nothing else that could be wrong, is there?
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>>17854339

>Pediatrician. Around 200-300k a year. we have a big house though

I was actually going to guess pediatrician, but that's not bad at all. As far as having a big house - I genuinely don't fucking understand.

>A house for 250k isn't enough

Unless you are in LA or something. Anyway, you are from a very well off family. Fucking do something with your life, work out, do some interesting shit and you will get some.

P.S. Don't eat the curry. Or anything, with your hands.
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>>17854354
I am by all definitions doing something with my life. I do workout.
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>>17854363
as in I'm in top 5 engineering college in a stem field.
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>>17853707
I'm not going to lie to you like everyone else.
If you are truly an unattractive male you are going to have major difficulties finding a mate unless you are willing to settle for women who are as attractive as you are, or less so.

You are going to have to find a way to accept this fact, this is the only way you will feel content.

Being miserable also severely hurts your chances at finding a mate, women pick up on emotions very well.

If it makes you feel any better I want you to know that the majority of people on this planet to not have loving or honest relationships. Most people cheat or get bored of each other.
True love is a privilege denied to many.

If emotional intimacy is not what you are after (couldn't tell from your post) you can always find an escort for sex and get the type of escort that provides companionship with dates and such.

Also your negative thinking seems to stem from going on websites like this, where everyone but white guys is portrayed as a useless human being.
So stop coming here, it's honestly not good for anyone's mental health.
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>>17853887
It's not like the white people who came had also visited India.
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>>17853707
I for one find Indian men to be quite attractive. As long as you're not fat or have horrible style it shouldn't be too much of a problem. A lot of them do have rather creepy behaviour, but that's only in men who were raised in India since I assume it's a bit more segregated there when it comes to gender.

However a lot of people are shallow and will think of Indian = ugly creep. You shouldn't pursue those kind of women anyway. Your best bet is with a South Asian girl.
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>>17854329
>doctors can't own S-classes these days
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>>17853819
Thats because regular people are fucking sad. Never take them seriously, because they're angry about not getting 6 figures, but dont wanna work for it
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I'm not indian - I'm half AA half sri lankan, but I basically look 100% brown.

I will preface this by saying I grew up in horribly yuppie white suburbs in KENTUCKY, went to a basically all-white high school, and have absolutely experienced racism and resented people for it.

Your problem is not the fact that you are indian. You have fallen victim to same things as countless other impressionable and insecure little dumbasses across the US: 1. believing vapid shit you read in the echo-chamber that is the internet and 2. basing your self esteem on prejudiced opinions

You see, while there certainly is a portion of the global population that associate brown skinned south asians with a whole slew of negative stereotypes, there is also another portion who have the mental acuity to realize that ACTIONS - not stereotypes - are the correct criteria by which to judge someone.

I won't deny that you, along with every other minority in the occident, have the disadvantage of these stereotypes affecting how some people judge you. However, in this case it is YOU who are putting weight on these retarded generalities by assuming that they are the reason you aren't getting laid.

Newsflash: brown men are having sex with women of all ethnicities every day. I'm not bragging, but I've enjoyed a healthy sex life with plenty of women and not one was indian or brown. No, the reason you are failing with women is something else entirely. Maybe it's your acne. Maybe it's because you're short. Maybe it's the horrible shitty black cloud you have hung over your head constantly. I don't know you, so I can't say for sure.

All I can say, to you and other minorities everywhere is this: PLEASE stop playing the "Waah I'm ethnic" card as an excuse for not getting pussy. Seriously. There is nothing more misguided and pathetic. Just fucking stop.
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>>17853707
Hey, man. Fellow Pajeet here. You must realize that what the White man tells you is just to destroy your self esteem. This has sprung out of the right-wing wave in the West. People have gone so far as to suggest that non-Whites are not humans. Do you honestly believe that you, an upper class Pajeet who could solve a seventeen year old American's maths paper at the age of twelve, are inferior to some Western retards on 4chan who do disgusting things like leaking pictures of their gfs and hunting for school girls on Omegle. About Pajeets being creepy, I spent a lot of time using Omegle pretending to be a girl and found at least five to six times as many creepy Americans as Indians. The brown-skinned rapist is just a ridiculous stereotypes. In fact rape rates of the US are actually twenty times higher than that of India. Just stop using 4chan, reddit etc. Don't talk to Westerners. Srsly. Read this and get redpilled.
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/indias-rape-epidemic-an-ugly-colonial-myth-reborn/16781
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>>17853819

>but when i ask regular people on the internet, they tell me I have no chance at anything.

Don't listen to them. They're just a bunch of morons or trolls, dude.
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Lots of people are attracted to Indians! Especially white girls, white girls definitely have some innate fetish for Indian gus. Probably w/ unconscious intentions to have genetically diverse offspring. Your only 20, and mutual attraction is rare for everyone! But one day it will work out with you and someone. If you are a genuine person, girls will recognize that.
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>>17853956
>A good comparison would be white losers who go after their ideal submissive asian waifu. Those asian women don't date whites to begin with.
This is false in the U.S., at least among urban professionals. I don't know as much regarding other countries or subcultures.
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>>17853707
It's likely:
- acne
- being short
- not dressing well
- not being fit enough maybe
- not being assertive enough
It could be:
- having an Indian accent, if you do
You should:
- become a better person by fixing the above
- focus on Indian girls as much as possible, since they are more likely to like you and to be compatible longer term
Some of the most alpha chads in my friend group were Indian. They lifted, they were very smooth with girls, they were socially dominant, and they always had something interesting to say. However: they had no acne, they were tall, and they had good facial structure.
Make of this what you will.
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Hello fellow Indian. Women want security and money. By going to the gym and getting 6 figures, you will be attractive for marriage in both regards. Marrying another Indian will be easy as hell. Other races, more difficult, but you need confidence and you'll be fine. If you're confident with your looks like me, you'll be able to do your thing. I'm not outstanding, but I'm confident and it works fine. Indian is pretty damn of low on dating pyramid, but still possible to work with.
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>>17855091
bump
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>>17853707
I know what you mean, my Asian brother. East Asian men get no love either.
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>>17853707
>. None of my passions or hard work will matter.
Bullshit.
Get a good job with a good salary, nice car, stable life, etc, and eventually you'll find someone.
Don't fall for the "fall in love" bullshit.

>>17855380
This basically.
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>>17853891
Remember dude, Indians wrote the Kama Sutra: the book of sex! It's in your blood man. These concepts that Asians are romantically undesirable have nothing to do with genetics. It's a social construct created by the white man to keep us out of competition in romance.

You sound like you have no pride in who you are. I suggest you read up on Indian history and culture.

Know history, know self.
No history, no self.
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>>17853707
>Indian
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Didn't you get enough answers yesterday? Don't be a mental case.
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>>17855380
Wow! The insecurities with you guys! Don't you, and Op know, that women fall in love with the image you reflect of them? Meaning, if you make her feel beautiful and desired, she'll be attracted to you, for more of that. Just don't be an ass-clown and follow her around like a puppy dog. Then she'll just take advantage of you. It's a careful dance. Smile at her, then compliment her. Give her your attention, tone it down and give her a break for a day or two, then repeat until you can ask for her number.
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you'll be fine. Look into some serious academic studies on body language.

Indian body language is significantly different from American body language, so you are having to learn how to compensate.

source: American who has been to India.

head wobble wtf. I thought y'all pajeets had palsy!!!
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>>17854296
You're messed up.
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Does anyone else get shit for being mixed race? Not saying online, I mean everywhere, even since I was a toddler. Im half hispanic and half white but white people expect you to abandon the spanish side and vice versa, its ridiculous. Very easy to see why people say bringing mixed raced kids into the world is torture. At least if my other half was a meme race of black or asian, i'd have something to attract people but spanish people get shit on for doing nothing wrong.

Any similar stories?
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>>17856368
You're a wierd person. I'm obviously mixed (blk/wht) and I just like the people who like me. Currently. That's Mexicans. Blacks are on some real negative race trip right now, and whites are really hesitant to engage. Hmong girls seem pretty cool though. Might have to check them out. Anyways, Spanish and White is like saying White and Whiter. How the hell would anyone ever know unless you have a Spanish sur-name. I know plenty of Whites with the last name of Estes.
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>>17856384
Wow, youre dumb. Most people immediately ask, "what are you" when they cant pinpoint what race you are just from looking at you. Youre a meme race, of course anyone can tell youre an oreo.
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>>17854733
>Also your negative thinking seems to stem from going on websites like this, where everyone but white guys is portrayed as a useless human being.
>So stop coming here, it's honestly not good for anyone's mental health.
Also, stop watching TV and movies. They are mind cancer.
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>>17856368
This is my entire life. And it's only torture for the kids because society makes it that way. It doesn't have to be that easy. They feel threatened by mixed people, and that won't stop me from having kids…

My finances and lack of romantic life will though.
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>>17856431
Doesn't have to be that way
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>>17856392
Not sure of your point. I know I look different. It's a great conversation starter. Didn't always feel that way but, Im more gregarious now.
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>>17856392
You know, i guess we're having two differentry kinds of experiences. You have guilt because you can pass. That leads me to believe that your mother is Hispanic. You may feel like you're abandoning her by passing for White and ignoring that half of your culture. These are just guesses. You didn't provide enough info.
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>>17856432
Well duh. It is, though. It just is.
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>>17856450
No, other way around. Mum was white, from an all white family and recently passed. Got rejected by said family for being a race traitor. Pops is a blue-collar, "you can't be smart, you're not white! Be a wagecuck" type of dad from an all spanish family. I have racism against both sides from both sides and neither wants anything to do with me unless I become this "proving point" for them to use against eachother.

They don't even want me to be successful and happy for myself, they wants this little conversation token so they can say "well, my cousin/ nephew does this".

Sorry, but I'm not here to be someone's personal achievement. You want a trophy? Go earn one.
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>>17856471
Ok, you're young. It gets better later on.
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Not gonna read this entire tl;dr thread, but just want to say: if you're searching "WHAT DO YOU THINK OF X RACE???" anywhere you're just going to find racists. Most people aren't. You're deluding yourself if you're blaming things on skin colour.
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>>17856481
Bruh, I'm 25. This is the "it all goes down from here" point.
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>>17856368
mixed race, statistically, have a hard time in our racially divided society.
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>>17856540
but going downhill is a lot easier and more fun.
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>>17853707
Stop hating yourself senpai
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People are rude about any race thats not white on the internet. Dont take it so personally. Anyway, i sell jewelry and just two days ago sold rings to an indian man/white lady couple. Its not impossible just dont have a beta attitude
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>>17857204
>Its not impossible just dont have a beta attitude
That's just something people day, especially white people, to absolve themselves of any responsibility.
http://empathizethis.com/musings/the-color-of-fear-and-why-you-should-watch-it/

Check your privilege. White people have the power to define others.
http://empathizethis.com/stories/adoption-racism-finding-identity/
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>>17853707
anonymous threads on the internet are a bastion for insecure racists so don't take it as any indication of how real life is

I'm Indian and I don't do too bad socially. Considered a pretty funny guy and know plenty of people. If anything being Indian has only helped since it makes me stand out (no one forgets me lol) and occasionally people are interested in my cultural experiences.

Only other Indian guy I know is SUPER popular (among the gaming community at our college). Back in high school I remember one Indian guy seemed relatively well liked and I knew another who seemed somewhat popular and had a 8/10 (white in case you're curious) girlfriend. And that was in my shitty racist midwestern town.

Caveat: I am a 19yo virgin and my brother is the stereotypical incel Indian. But I have dated (caveat: I am tall) and I don't think losing my virginity will be that hard.

Honestly dude the variety of historical Indian civilizations were super successful and prosperous so just because some people are racist doesn't mean you should let them convince you that our heritage is bunk. You should be proud of where we come from.

Oh yeah and don't only go after Indian girls or only after short girls just because you're Indian and short

Some people say Indian girls say "no Indian guys" (which may or may not be true) but I have never heard a white (or any non-Indian) girl say anything like that. They don't even think about you being Indian you're just a blank slate really.

Being short isn't gonna help but it's not a big deal as long as you don't only aim for short girls (if anything they like tall guys even more).

Lots of Indian/short guys think they have a better chance with Indian/short girls (not true) and when that doesn't work they complain about being incel rather than trying something new. You have a much better chance with non-Indian and non-short girls.

Guys care about looks way more than girls. You'll be fine. Any more questions?
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>>17857922
>Some people say Indian girls say "no Indian guys" (which may or may not be true) but I have never heard a white (or any non-Indian) girl say anything like that.
Not OP, but being Asian, while no one has ever said they "don't date Asians" or "don't find Asians attractive" to my face, it's obvious they think these things. This is known as the social desirability bias in psychology.
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