A lot of people (here on /adv/ too) say that you should not fap

>>17842888
It's pretty dumb. Fap to whatever the fuck you want. The only danger of porn is misunderstanding a movie with reality but this can happen with any other media too.

>>17842888
Because it's desensitizing, addictive and it fucks with the reward process of your brain.

But hey >>17842891
Who gives a fuck about anything whatsoever right?
Just do whatever with no reason and tought behind.
You wanna try and figure out this shit? lol what a loser YOLO.

>>17842925
>desensitizing, addictive and it fucks with the reward process of your brain.
That shit only applies if you already have some issues with it.

Most people fap to porn and do just fine after all.

>>17842935
>That shit only applies if you already have some issues with it.

An addiction starts with the first sigarette, not the second.

>Most people fap to porn and do just fine after all.
So do pot smokers and alcoholist.

I got ED from it. I stopped and now I'm fine.

>>17842947
>An addiction starts with the first sigarette, not the second.
Not necessary, no.

Besides given the addictive properties of porn are no different from enjoying any other media. No normal person has any issues with that shit.

>So do pot smokers and alcoholist.
Shit example given how both have negative effects on the user even without any effect on their life.

>>17842888

porn is a mostly negative thing. it is a vice. just like alcohol. just like junk food.

there are a million bad habits that every day people do every day and they live more or less normal lives.

you can eat a twinkie a day and have it not really effect you as long as the rest of your life is balanced out. porn is no different.

a lot of people on /adv/ have only had the love of imaginary porn girls. its advised that they turn that off.

>>17842888
It desensitizes you to real sex.

Guys didn't have a lot of access to porn in the 90s in my country. Maybe a vhs that got passed around and a few magazines. Sex for me was so much better then, so raw and real. Guys had ideas of their own because they actually wanted to try it, not repeat what some actor did in a badly made movie.

As time went on and internet porn became a thing, I started noticing guys copying moves from it that really don't work for women. Even had an ex who'd lift his arm out of the way and angle the sex so the non existent camera can get the right shot. Just bizarre.

My current bf is porn obsessed and probably some of the worst sex I ever had, but he's a good guy. I try to steer him to do stuff that works for me now and again, but he has to be the guy from the movie controlling the sex and positioning me constantly. He thinks he's the sex expert!

The guy before him was dumb, didn't know how to use a computer and had a shitty phone with no Internet. Honestly the best sex I had since the 90s.

I'm my experience the quality of sex goes down the more porn a guy watches. This is not true for all girls of course. Although my friends and I often talk about missing the sex we used to have in the 90s.

I'm not prudish or anything, play around with a lot of different fetishes, but it just feels forced and unnatural with porn addicts. Like they're reinacting what they saw in a movie.

I guess this is just my experience, but I have experienced sex before and after porn was everywhere.

Maybe it's to do with porn addiction. Started fapping to normie porn and that wouldn't work for me. Then anal porn. Then sissy porn. Then someone looked at my browser history and the whole family thinks I'm gay.
Maybe that's the reason? The Abyss?

>>17843121
kekd

>>17843121
aahahahah top lel right here

>>17843084
You're not planning on dumping because the sex is shit?

>>17842961
>Not necessary, no.
You don't necessarily develop an addiction, but if you do it started with the first.

>Besides given the addictive properties of porn
Wich is the primary reason for the argument.
It's like saying that if you don't consider that knives can cut you they're not that dangerous.

>both have negative effects on the user even without any effect on their life.
Just like... porn.

>>17843084

For me it was OK. I learnt a lot from couples making love and it helped me the first times.

Now I am quite bored of it. I just want a pretty little girl in my bed during the weekend and if I cannot get one, I consume some porn in a weekly basis.

It is like any other shortcut: whores, alcohol... dangerous if you don't keep under control.

>>17843084
This.
Also a lot of males are desensitzed to sex because of porn to the extent of not being able to feel pleasure or having ED.
They also can't stop thinking about porn while they're fucking you, so it's more like they are masturbating into you than having a connected sexual experience with you.
Sex is just as important to women, if the sex is bad or infrequent in a relationship we get frustrated and leave or at least feel like shit. A lot of porn watchers refuse to admit that this is the problem because they are addicted to the porn like a drug.
People used to be institutionalized for masturbating multiple times daily, now it's all of a sudden "normal" to whack it for hours because of how wide spread porn is.
This affects women too, if I watch porn I no longer find my partner sexually attractive and prefer to masturbate, and I do for hours on end. This isn't healthy for anyone.
Porn ruins relationships. It's ruined many of mine.

>>17842963
This guy knows what's up...

I jerk off all the time. I'm 30 and I don't have ED. I haven't been desensitized to the real thing either.

You fucks with ED and the like have got other problems wrong with you. The porn didn't help and you were already fucked some way before anyway.

Apart from death gripping there's two risks from porn;

>unrealistic expectations
Porn portrays a kind of sex that does not really exist in loving relationships. Lack of foreplay, a woman cumming from the dick hard every single time (when plenty of women can't even orgasm vaginally at all), anal stuff with no prepping and so on.

Guys who have gotten their only sex ed from porn tend to be rough lovers who have no clue what women actually want in bed or what feels good to them. Everything you see in porn is both aimed towards optimal visual stimulance (eg uncomfortable, taxing positions that look good to a viewer) and the ultimate male sexual fantasy revolving solely around what men find hot.
So basically, porn won't just not learn you useful stuff but you'll have to disregard its influences to be a better lover.

The more pressing argument is that
>porn desensitizes you
which can absolutely happen. In porn your brain is stimulated in a very dramatic fashion - the acts only get more intense, more furious etc, nothing on-screen that's unsexy (hear how guys bitch if the man's balls happen to be in their line of sight).

In real life you won't be spoonfed turn ons, you'll have to look for them yourself even when there are also things that detract from the hotness of the situation. For many people this isn't an issue but for anyone who has issues with getting/staying hard or sexual enjoyment generally, quitting porn is basically step one to creating different expectations of sex and kick-starting your own active sexual imagination. Becoming someone who creates own fantasies instead of mindlessly consuming images.

You should fap to the Song of Solomon and the story of Lot and his daughters

>>17842888
I've found that passively jerking it rather than actively thrusting tended to make me worse at sex / go a bit soft at the time. It's like training your brain. I generally have found that porn makes me 'lazier' about these things, which is undesirable. At the same time, though, it's sometimes useful to get my mind off a rejection, and it's a lot cheaper and safer than banging hookers or something. So I keep it rare -- moderation is best. Nofap is a meme, though-- that just gets my balls backed up and aching.

i'm trying to fap to porn more and more to cure my premature ejaculation haha kill me now

the goal is to wank myself numb so if i do ever have sex again i won't cum in under a minute like all the other times

seriously end my life :)

>>17842888
Plenty of guys with high sex drives fuck their gfs/wives and still masturbate to porn or whatever.

I think it only matters if you feel shame from masturbating to porn for whatever reason (usually due to religious upbringing). A lot of people feel shame from it however.

A real porn addiction is rare as fuck. If you spend 15 minutes jacking it every other day or whatever that isn't an addiction.

>>17846160
>not jerking off to porn for 3 hours before bed

Time to read, friends.
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When you masturbate, porn or otherwise, you are likely only trying to get off ASAP. When you have sex, you are likely trying to prolong your seed as as long as possible to prolong the pleasure and satisfy your partner.
>see the difference?

When you masturbate, your dick needs to be ever increasingly strangled to elicit desired effects. When you have sex, your dick shouldn't have any problem doing its work if it has not been choked into early retirement.
>see the difference?

When you masturbate to porn, you project your sexuality onto a screen and remove it from reality, your senses. When you have sex after this, you will be overwhelmed as opposed to someone who hasn't regularly made love to a computer screen.

Tl;dr masturbating all the time makes you bad at sex. Being bad at sex makes you more prone to masturbatory abuse. Being more prone to masturbatory abuse makes your dick lose potency. Having a dick with lowered potency makes you masturbate all the time.

You're a retard if you're honestly going to sit there and try to make excuses for yourself about it. Shape up, get some willpower.

It's mostly bullshit mate.

>It's desensitizing
Yeah no fucking shit and so is, you know, actual sex. And masturbating to your imagination too, how the fuck do you think this works? It's the basic rule of utility and it applies to everything. The more you do something the less you enjoy it. It applies to porn, to sex, to chocolate, to swimming, to everything. Want to have an awesome orgasm? Don't orgasm for 2 weeks. Want to have more often, less awesome orgasms? Do it every day.

>it fucks with the effort/reward process of your brain
Yeah, you have to put in less effort to get the same reward. What a tragedy, right? You know what happens though? You will be less inclined to worship the pussy. When you don't feel horny and in need of sex all the time you will be less needy and less inclined to pursue women. Take that as you will.

>but, statistically speaking people who masturbate more are less happy
Yeah, that's a correlation, not causation. People who masturbate more are less happy because they have nothing else going in their life, not because masturbation makes them sad. They have a lot of free time and they masturbate in that free time.

>but it will give you false expectations and make you shit at sex
Yeah, if you're a retard who can't distinguish reality from fantasy. Or a kid who doesn't know the first thing about sex. Soccer moms have been crying about this issue for years about movies and videogames violence, it's exactly the same thing.


Of course, porn CAN be bad for you, if you abuse it or in certain circumstances, like EVERY FUCKING THING in existence. Water can kill you if you drink too much of it. Motherfucking water. So yeah, watch porn, get a good rub once in a while, but don't overdo it.

You will notice that almost all people who have a porn addiction got it because they spent most of their day doing nothing in front of their computers for a long period of time. And when you're bored and lonely in front of a computer you masturbate to porn.

>>17842888
A lot of women say it.

>>17846181
>you are likely trying to prolong your seed as as long as possible to prolong the pleasure and satisfy your partner.
LOL, nah sometimes I just wanna get off. I don't give a shit if the girl gets off. Especially if she's not my girlfriend, and if she is I still might not give a shit. It's not like we're gonna get married.

>When you masturbate, your dick needs to be ever increasingly strangled to elicit desired effects. When you have sex, your dick shouldn't have any problem doing its work if it has not been choked into early retirement.
Nah, been jerking it for like 15 years on the reg. Don't have the so-called "death grip" I've gotten off in 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour. It really depends on how into the chick I am.

I'm still pretty good at fucking but I love to eat pussy. Eating pussy goes a long way in sex.

You're a retard with other problems if you think masturbating is the sole cause of all your sexual issues. Protip, you already have problems and masturbation just exacerbated them.

I'm gonna go jerk off, later nerds.

>>17842888
Not fapping to porn:
>will it change anything?

Immediately?
>energy levels increased
>sense of rewards restored
>more enjoyment of women
>more respect towards women
>better willpower in choosing to abstain from destructive sexual habits
>more maturity.
>better working penis
>harder penis
>better sex as a result
>more confident with girls as a result
>more happy with self as a result
>more happy with life as a result
>more successful in your endeavours as a result

Long term?
>find out.

>>17846228
>being this defensive

Your feeling attacked by my words shows only that you know I'm right. And since you can't stand to stay and discuss due to this, I'll only say enjoy your brainwashed, self indulgent, self justified and hollow sexuality, friendo.

>>17846239
>implying guys who jerk off lack all those things

Man, you niggers bought into nofap so hard... Not surprising, bunch of fucking unemployed under 20 virgins trying to find something to blame their problems on.

OP here
a lot of you talk about porn and it's consequences if you don't know when to stop.
And what about masturbating to imagination? Won't imagining sex with hot girls desensitize me? Won't it create unrealistic expectations? What about ED?

>>17846257
Who said I wouldn't stick around to argue with some faggot on the internet? Brainwashed? I could very well say the same thing about you for your beliefs. All the science behind nofap is bro science so you don't have any ground to stand on either dipshit. Self indulgent? Sometimes yeah, I get satisfaction from getting things I want, it's human nature you fake altruistic fuck. Self justified? It's called ideology and you've got it too. Remember that bro science? At least my convictions come from person beliefs and not some pseduo science. Hollow sexuality? Sometimes. Frankly if I don't think things are going anywhere with a girl I honestly don't give a shit about the relationships.

>>17846279
>>17846263

>everything I don't agree with is a meme
>assuming false because NOT LIKE I'VE TRIED IT LEL

Didn't even know nofap was a thing until recently. I'd seen some negative loops in myself, and definitely seen them in others, and with a few simple changes in my sexual habits I felt complete again.
You have no idea how much havoc you wreak on yourself with masturbating so often, and you won't even fucking try stopping for a because of how scared you are of having to admit you've made some mistakes. So you get butthurt at anon for raising the truth, and call him a memeist to defend your own stubborn retardations.

Faggots Out Loud.

>>17846279
P.s. your views of women overall are corrupted in part by porn.
Your using women carelessly for sex seems practical with lesser women, but you're only abusing yourseld by staining your body with those you see as lesser than you.

Funfact, some women CAN in fact be your equal and enrich your life on every level. But at the rate you're going, you'll never deserve a woman of that level if you don't turn around.

>>17846297
> I'd seen some negative loops in myself, and definitely seen them in others...
The very definition of anecdotal.

>>17846310
Yes, I have carelessly used women for sex. You seem to lack reading comprehension though.
> Frankly if I don't think things are going anywhere with a girl
I've been in healthy relationships for years at a time. The longest being 3 years.

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>>17842888
I thought I'd try out the nofap meme and surprise surprise it did nothing! I tried to avoid watching porn and wow what a surprise that also did nothing! It's a waste of time OP, insecure women and virgins try to shame you into avoiding it because they imagine it's some great evil.

>>17846297
Oh yeah, and again, let me reiterate.

NOFAP IS PSEUDO SCIENCE.

Sex is a big part of my life and I've researched this a lot.

Also my own experiences have taught me a lot.

On masturbation:
>Male masturbation should be limited to one time every 4-7 days. Fapping too often, especially daily, is very harmful to your energy and libido.
>Fapping too often may cause you to feel groggy in the morning, foggy during the day, and have less motivation to approach women.
>Ejaculating too often may cause your hair to thin. Not a joke, research it.

On porn:
>Porn is like a drug. It effects your brain and dopamine levels.
>Masturbating to porn can cause erectile dysfunction when having sex with real women.
>Masturbating to straight porn rewires your brain to become attracted to "cucking." The act of watching a female you want to have sex with, have sex with another man.
>Watching straight porn may even make you attracted to naked men and dicks.
>Lesbian porn and solo porn isn't as damaging as straight porn, but masturbating to your imagination is still best.

Learn how masturbating and porn effects your body. When you masturbate, if you feel energized and still eager for sexual stimulation, you ejaculated at a good time. You probably held off for 4-5 days.
>If you fap and then feel tired, anxious, apathetic to women and sex, you have been ejaculating too often.
>Cutting out porn cold turkey is like cutting a smoking addiction. It's difficult, but it can be done if you are motivated.

Stick to using your imagination, take your time and edge for 10-15 minutes for maximum orgasm, read the book The Multi Orgasmic Man: Sex Secrets every man should know (google the pdf.), and learn how to enjoy sex and edging without ejaculating.

Male sexual performance requires knowledge and practice. There's a reason there's so many porn addicts on here, they have no clue how much masturbation and porn affects their bodies.

It's ok for me to look at porn because i'm never going to get laid

Honestly it feels great because I can probably invest thousands of dollars into a high grade sex doll that looks hotter than any super model on earth and I can fuck it all day

And that's going to be better than any sex any of you faggots will ever get

So in the end the virgin wins. Hah hah. Losers.

>>17846332
Nofap isn't psuedoscience...

It's just misinterpreted.


People, even some people who know about nofap, assume it means you're never fapping for months at a time. That is retarded.

Masturbation is good for your prostate and regulating hormones. The problem is fapping too much, that's what nofap is about. Knowing when to fap, and when not to.

Basically only fap once a week and you'll be fine. After about 7 days of no fapping, the effects start to dwindle and you'll probably just have a wet dream. These people who say "on my 6th month of nofap" are retarded.

>>17846355
Hahaha I have respect for this.

I think we can all admit we're excited for the future of sex robots. Eventually none of this shit will even matter, because we'll all be fucking aliens robots with vibrating vaginas and salivating mouths.

>>17846353
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>>17846360
> The problem is fapping too much
>Basically only fap once a week and you'll be fine.
Fapping once a week is beyond low sexdrive, unless you fuck like 3 times a day.

Unless you're a compulsive masturbator or something extreme like that, there is no reason to worry about this bullshit at all.

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>>17846297
No fap is a meme and I'll tell you why.

Masturbation is a symptom, not a cause. If you spend too much time fapping, it's because something's not going well in your life and fapping gives you quick and effortless joy that helps you get through the day. There's nothing wrong with that. Why condemn literally one of the few things that still makes you feel good? You need to focus on dealing with the problems that make you feel those urges in the first place. Sometimes I have a non-degenerate week where I work out, do things with friends, keep myself busy with projects etc and I can go for days without fapping with no problem. This is what you need to aim for.

>>17846374
I mean, if you're worried about losing your hair, you should watch your masturbation habits.

Twice a week max. I recommend once every 4-5 days is good for most men 18-30. As you get older you have to cum less and less often to maintain a healthy libido. This is why so many old men have ED, they cum way too often and waste all their energy. It's recommended that men in their sixties NEVER cum, but instead practice non-ejaculatory orgasms. This may even be why women live longer than men.

>>17846386
>if you're worried about losing your hair
Got more bro science? What about Jesus watching? Chakras?

Also women masturbate just as often. Most men don't beat it to anime girls 5 times a day like the average 4channer.

>>17846386
You a doctor?

I didn't think so. Shut the fuck up with your bullshit.

>>17846396
I have done alot of research and I've learned alot about DHT. To keep it short; more testosteron(stopping PMO) does not directly mean more or less DHT. Here is why:
Testosteron is converted to DHT by the 5-alfa-reductase enzym. However, since the conversion is done with a ezyme, more testosteron does not mean more or less DHT. Since an enzym can do 'this' much work.

What I do know about MPB and masturbation is the following.
When you orgasm you hit a dopamine peak. When the dopamine is at it's peak the hormone prolactine will shoot up. This is also the hormone that makes you makes you not want to masturbate again right after your first one session. Prolactine can contribute to more hair loss, since it will make the 5-alfa-reductase enzym go nuts and convert alot of testosteron to DHT.

This can be one extra hair or a few hunderd, this is not known since there is no study done to measure this.

TL;DR: high dopamine spike --> release of prolactine --> 5-alfa-reductase enzym goes into overdrive --> more testosteron getting converted to DHT = less testosteron left and more DHT, so more hair loss

Link to studies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/135817

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11835982

>>17846411
excuse my english I'm Polish

>>17846411
You missed the irrelevance of prolactine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3408995/

It CAN have an effect if your genetics are already fucked but this would go beyond the topic of fapping.

>>17846431
That study was done on women, though.

Regardless, this does go beyond fapping. If you really deny that limiting ejaculations doesn't have an effect on your energy, mood, and ambition, you haven't tried it.

I'm not saying masturbating is bad, I'm saying it's going to affect you negatively if you masturbate irresponsibly.

>>17846437
>That study was done on women, though.
Well, it's best we got so far.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14758568
Is somewhat related although very incomplete and again mentions the importance of polycystic ovary syndrome, which is a completely different issue.

>If you really deny that limiting ejaculations doesn't have an effect on your energy, mood, and ambition, you haven't tried it.
But anon, I did. Currently on the suggested once/twice a week for half a year because I simply don't have the time. Was on once a day plus sex half a year before. Absolutely no effect of either.

Obviously overdoing EVERYTHING is bad but the average person would be hard pressed to actually manage to jerk off all the time while keeping a somewhat normal social life, job and hobbies.