why 4chan is unhappy

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Frustration probably. I don't post the type of things you mentioned, but I also recently had limpdick ruin my chance to lose my virginity for the third time in a row. I'd imagine that if you keep taking failures like that, eventually you're going to become jaded and cynical. I would be lying if I said I didn't believe that it will eventually happen to me if I don't get it right after X amount of times.

>>17740350
It all makes sense when you think most people here, myself included, have been outcasts since probably early childhood.

Since then it's a slippery slope as you associate socializing with bad feelings, and you're bad at it because you don't do it etc etc

t. Currently working on it w/ a therapist

Because we've all been seriously hurt by women and it's made us bitter and hateful.

You think I want to feel like this? All i fucking want is a girl to hold in my arms to make me feel alive again. I've done almost everything I can to get a girlfriend, worked out, lost weight, gained weight, dressed different, you fucking name it. But after all failure and no success it eats at me because I can't ignore the idea of having a girlfriend. Im so fucking lonely, but no one gives me a chance, and unfortunately there arent many girls that feel the same and are interested in people that have my view. It comes off as "desperate" and "creepy". God forbid I admit as a guy that I feel empty because I have never had a girl ever say i love you, or kissed one, or anything.

If you were in my shoes you'd fucking hate women and think that way too, but I still try when i go out to meet girls to no avail, because being lonely is killing me.

>be me 26y old khv
>live in a society that accepted it as normal that over 50% marriages fail
>see how woman feel neglected by men that work for them their whole life
>read about men fucking married women
>read about people that have fwb's
>read about people that break up because of childish reasons
>see how people talk shit about people they once loved
>see how parents almost divorce, make eachother feel bad every day
>hear how people talk shit about their kids
>see how people crave for money the whole day
>get to know that you have to have a huge ammount of hobbies and to live a life that you don't want just so your potential partner can talk about you being an alpha
>get to know that true love doesn't exist
>live a lonely life where your cat is the only being that is friendly an loyal to you

>>17740350
>women are sluts

To be fair, the general behaviour of american women is seen, at least by many non-americans like me, slutty and whorish, devoid of any honour and dignity.

I don't think it applies to women where I live, but I can see where this may come from. Especially when people are outcasts, since it may be that they values they have developed over the years come from a different source than the society the belong, therefore, making them more outcasts than they were before.

>women should stay virgins until marriage but that doesn't apply to men
I don't think anyone here thinks that, but I certainly dislike women who had a lot of partners, for reasons above - see lack of dignity and class. This does not mean that women should be in a certain way, it only means that I dislike them because of their low behaviour. It applies to men too.
This isn't that frequent where I live, but as I said, I may be able to see why americans, this is, most posters on this site, make that kind of comments.

>>17740350
Fear of being hurt. Either because they've personally had bad experiences or because they've heard enough second hand accounts that they've become wary regardless. Whether they have good reason to feel this way or not is not for me to say, I lack the relevant experience to contest their notions.

Look at the demographic of the posters here.

Just a wild guess: most of the posters (me included) here are white, male, between 16 - 26 years old, (upper) middleclass and quite tech savvy. Divorced parents, absent fathers or a dysfunctional family backgrounds are likely. There's a desperate need of guidance in a constantly changing world. Most of us don't even understand our own bodies and minds yet, how could we - no one ever taught us how - but we always feel under pressure to perform in some way.
We, consume way too much and produce way to little. We spend our valuable time in front of screens instead socialising with each other.

As a result, we unlearnt how to life meaningful lifes and in our frustration about not finding a purpose we project self hatred onto one of the most present measurements of social success: sex, relationships and women.

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>>17740377
Time to get a cat

>>17740350

Why are you so attracted and interested to something so negative?
Do you not consider this fascination of yours a little weird?
Healthy, normal people would consider people like you to be a freak for spending your time like this asking these questions and being on a site like this.

>>17740350
>women are sluts
>women will never date you or me because you're not Chad/a black guy

this is true

the other half is neither true nor false

>>17740370

My 2 cents...

This is all part of the patriarchy. People think that women get the short end of the stick but in fact even lower on the totem pole in a patriarchal society are men deemed unworthy.

What is unworthy? Not being born into an upper middle class or higher family where you can go to school, have immediate connections into a career, be involved in a fraternity, sleep around without consequence, meet and marry a Stepford wife, eventually run the fucking show.

These are the real winners in this situation. The loser men actually have privilege and expectation that women owe you something. That your lonliness is because women are sleighting you. When society enforces in you that men deserve these things when you are young and it doesn't pan out, then that is the expectation of male privilege that only comes for high tier men.

Privilege lost always feels like persecution and attack to the former privileged.

Women have privilege too, and patriarchal instilled values in them teach them that is okay for men to be the bread winners, that it is not proper for women to lust after a mans body and seek him out, that men must attain her and work for her affection. Women who don't fit this model are shamed as "sluts" and "unworthy".

Don't you fucking see 4chan?

This is ALL PATRIARCHY.

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>>17740377
>be me, 42yo married to a foreigner w/ 2 sons
>live in the same society as you
>see how poorly-raised or otherwise low-quality women feel neglected by men that work for them their whole life
>resolve never to involve ungrateful low-quality assholes like that in my life.
>read about men fucking married women, and vice-versa.
>read about people that have fwb's
>read about people that break up because of childish reasons. Be grateful I was careful about choosing a wife.
>see how people talk shit about people they once loved
>see how some parents almost divorce, make each other feel bad every day, and create unhappy children
>make good choices in marriage, wife and I work to keep it strong to provide a happy home for my children
>discipline and teach kids at home more than at school.
>see how people crave for money the whole day
>make more money than them by working harder and doing more difficult and lucrative work.

>be the patriarch of my nuclear family to foster alpha values in myself. Seek out new and fun hobbies to relax and enjoy. Wife naturally brags about my qualities, as I do about hers as a result.
>get to know that true love requires enormous work, selflessness and devotion, and is far better than expected.
>Feel a little sad for friends and aquaintences who live a lonely life where their cat is the only being that is friendly and loyal to them.
>notice how important effort is in all things.

There, I fixed it for you, Eeyore. A little work fixes most things.

>>17740410
you are a woman

>>17740412

You are cringeworthy as fuck.

>>17740406
Oh maybe so. I frankly don't care. I stopped caring about that a while ago.
Had a little phase of "what's so wrong with me" a few months ago, as I started to feel like no girl seemed to like me back anymore, but I was reminded that it's untrue by my current girlfriend.

I just got curious. Like anyone I've had moments of doubt, plagued by my constant social anxiety and general weirdness, but I managed to fit in despite that, or just not care about others when I didn't fit with them. I'm alone 95% of the time at school for example. But I never let bitterness win over completely, and I'm curious why others did.

For all their talk about how they changed themselves, geined weight and lifted or whatever, it seems that they often fail to change themselves truly from the inside, which maybe explains why they're single.

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>>17740350

Because when you're a young, frustrated guy who maybe isn't the best looking and has spent his life only socializing on a computer you need to come up with reasons for why the world is unfair.

Its too painful for any of the robots to look at the world and accept the fact that its their fault that they are failures so they built and propagated this entire ideology that makes it everyone else's fault for their shortcomings.

Its a classic case of confirmation bias. When they step out into the world or log onto 4chan they've already made up their minds about the way they feel about it, so their minds are only capable of seeing evidence that supports the theory they've already decided is true; like if a person who believes in ghosts walks into a haunted house, they'll interpret every creak and moan as ghosts but if someone who doesnt believe in ghosts walks into the same house and hears the same creaks and moans their mind will assume its the foundation settling or rattling pipes.

Honestly, it just boils down to being young. Being young in this new age of technology is an emotionally stressful task and this site is a monument to how poorly kids these days are equipped to deal with that stress.

Once they grow up and grind down their edge a little bit they'll realize, just like the rest of us, how fucking retarded they were when they were kids. Give it time. They're not ready to face the truth yet.

>>17740370
You fuck, most people have been hurt by someone. What the fuck makes you so special? This type of crap seriously just comes off as whiny teenage angsty horseshit.

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>>17740350
>>women should stay virgins until marriage but that doesn't apply to men

I think that of both sexes. People are too sex-driven, instead of being family-driven.
The problem is in the general attitude of today towards relationships, not in men, or women.
Also, the idea of Love has been overestimated in the last 100 years. Marriages and family were never based on love, but on a mutual contract in which the two partners sustained each other financially. From that basis, most marriages would work, as they work around factual premises rather than fleeting emotions.

>>17740410

30% truth, 70% bait.

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>>17740436

>his type of crap seriously just comes off as whiny teenage angsty horseshit.

Welcome to 4chan, home of whiny, teenage angsty horseshoe.

>>17740412
Thanks, but your words won't most-likely fix my life. After being ghosted by a woman that was irritated by me never having had a relationship and one that accidently wrote me, that the guy she went to a date with is a "boring loner", I feel kind of relieved when I come home after a long day reading a book while ruffling my cat's fur and can just be myself.

I think it's mainly because we have unrealistic expectations. We're raised with traditional values, we're told that we need to find a good partner, someone smart, good looking and loyal, someone who will spend the rest of their lives with us. Every fucking piece of entertainment we have, no matter if it's literature, cinematography, chinese cartoons, everything promotes an overly-romanticized idea of love and some standards almost no people irl will meet. We're told over and over that having life-long relationship is the apogee of happiness , so naturally we try to achieve it. We're told that we're great just the way we are and we deserve everything we want.

But then we face reality. Fewer and fewer people are looking for long term relationships, traditional values are forgotten in favor of progressive <degeneracy>, marriages tend to fail more often than not, we're just average people ourselves and worst of all, our waifus aren't real. So, when we realize that what we want is pretty much a fantasy we fall into the opposite extreme: Girls aren't these amazing beings who will love and cherish us and only us forever? Well then, they must all be worthless sluts. Relationships aren't these perfect bonds between 2 humans that nothing can break? Well then, they must be pointless and will only serve to hurt us. We aren't these perfect, amazing men we always wanted to be? Well then, we're shitty, ugly, dumb bastards who can't be loved by anyone.

It's also about the pressure society puts on us to have a girlfriend, have sex, get married, please women, work, be successful etc. It's simpler to say fuck it, I don't need all that I can be happy without it. Which, don't get me wrong, is not necessarily a bad way of thinking, but many people take it to the extreme. It's not just that I don't need women, women are horrible creatures and they're my enemy. It's just not that I don't need to be successful, successful people are all unhappy drones and they're also my enemy.

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I swear to God, if I have to read one more cringey robot talking about sex and women with a sentence that starts with "Whats wrong with society today is...." I'm gonna blow my fucking brains out.

You're a 19 year old college student who has never held a girl's hands and owns more hentai magazines than pairs of socks. What in the FUCK do you kids possibly think you know about society and what is wrong with it?

You don't even know how to talk to a girl but you're going to sit here from behind your computer screen and tell us whats wrong with women these days?

Give me a fucking break.

>>17740452

That's a lot of presumptions coming from you.
How about you explain to us what you consider to be true so we can laugh at you?

>>17740410
(Western) society doesn't generally teach men they deserve anything.
If anything, it teaches them that, if they want something, they'll have to compete for it.

My 2 cents:

I don't feel unworthy for being poor, or for not being a CEO of anything, or being shorter than average, for not being muscled.

But I feel cheated by my own biology when I see that I have nothing in common with women, but still feel the need to protect them.

I'm looking to be treated fairly.
Treated like a human being.

Yet I rarely get an ounce back of what I give, and I'm tired of it.
Makes me despise women.
Makes me despise how easy it is for them to be accepted, to be loved, to be appreciated.
How easy it seems for them to find an embrace they can lose themselves in, while I seem to be lost in the margins of society and can't seem to see any woman who doesn't take being loved for granted.

Uagh, fuck it

Resentment

lack of attention

Constantly seeking a scapegoat for one's own failures

Well, thanks to the internet, all women have at least 10 guys who want to fuck them and guys don't have the same luxury.

>>17740449

This.

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>>17740457

>How about you explain to us what you consider to be true so we can laugh at you?

The thing is, I'm 36 and I'm constantly discovering things I don't know.

I thought I knew what was true when I was 18, when I turned 21 I realized everything I thought was bullshit. When I turned 25 I realized everything I thought was bullshit. When I turned 30 I realized everything I thought was bullshit.

The difference between me and the robots is that I have the humility and experience to take everything with a grain of salt and be open to the possibility that I could be wrong.

The difference between me and the robots is that I know that I don't have all the answers and I don't claim to but the robots do. I just find it funny that a teenager actually thinks they know something about the world and society and women; you know, a teenager who has never held a girl's hand or been in a relationship thinks he's going to "educate" me on the problem with women these days? Its laughable.

I understand your anger though, when I was a kid I would get fucking furious whenever some adult laughed at my opinions and told me I didn't know shit. It was only until I got older and pulled my head out of my ass did I realize why it was so funny to them. I'm honestly not expecting to change anyone's mind. I'm just the ghost of Christmas future, my friend.

>>17740436
>person gets hurt
>feels shitty for a bit
>breaks out of comfort zone
>meets someone new
>recovers

>other person gets hurt
>feels shitty for a bit
>breaks out of comfort zone
>gets rejected
>feels shitty for a bit more
>tries again
>gets rejected again
>never recovers

it's not special, and that makes it worse

>>17740461

>(Western) society doesn't generally teach men they deserve anything.

>If anything, it teaches them that, if they want something, they'll have to compete for it.

The two things are intertwined. Western society teaches men that if you earn money, get big muscles, become famous or acquire power that you deserve women.

We're taught that money, sex and power are all a package deal.

You're half right and half wrong.

>>17740461

Did they ask anything of you?

Did they ask for your help?

Did they ask for your protection or love?

You are so deeply influenced by patriarchal ideals that you don't even see the cultural programming that makes up your source code. Women naturally want sex and companionship and love just like men. They are programmed to not hunt for it, but there is this curse of their own biology too that they are physically attracted to men and have this mental need to want to "hunt" as men do.

Yes, women like to seek out and hunt for a man too. Hunting is work and if you put a LOT of effort to obtain your prize then you will perceive the value of that prize to be so much greater!

Women want to feel like they are getting an 8 point Buck but if they are surrounded by tame pheasants walking right up to their lap then they are NOT going to perceive it as having any value.

You are giving of yourself for free something that must be earned. That is a 500ft neon flashing billboard that states,

> I AM NOT AS VALUABLE AS YOU, PLEASE LOVE ME ANYWAY

If you want women to like you, then you need to treat them with respect, kindness, like a human being and person, but demonstrate that you like them. Your angst needs to go because it bleeds through and women can smell the neediness like Wolverine smelling Rogues snatch from across the room.

>>17740470

A small amount of men play the numbers and spam out thousands of girls online hoping for a few bites here and there. This gives the impression of serious quality men not existing online and frustrating women needlessly. This also frustrates the quality men that are the quality signal trying to be detected through the megaphones of noise.

Signal to noise ratio is all off. Both men and women are highly unsatisfied with online dating.

>17740475
Except the new person you meet who helps you recover doesn't happen right away. It's more like this

>other person gets hurt
>feels shitty for a bit
>breaks out of comfort zone
>gets rejected
>feels shitty for a bit more
>tries again
>gets rejected again
>and again
>and again
>and again...
>someday they meet someone new
>recovers

I've been single for two years and been through multiple rejections like it was a sport. I admit I was really looking for that in a way, because i'm a socially awkward person with social anxiety and even talking to a girl sometimes was crippling, so I made every crush into a challenge, even if it was doomed.

But through effort you can do it. So many people spend their time watching chinese cartoons here, i'm surprised so few actually soldier on and keep their chin up, and try again.
I did, and am happily in a relationship now with a lovely girl. And that's after two years of reminiscing about my ex who moved on, while every girl seemed to find me not good enough. ("too nice" was used once). One even dated me for two months and broke up with me because she wasn't feeling it. It happens. like my gf would say, don't be a pussy.

>>17740523
it didn't happen right away for you

>Why is that? Where does it come from?
Because people here are weak and want a scapegoat. Since most posters here are white males in the late teens and early 20s, anyone outside of this group becomes a target, plus women are usually what their problems concern, so women are even more of target for them.

>>17740511
>you need to treat them with respect, kindness, like a human being and person,
Is that why every time I've done that I get called a pussy and rejected, but the second I start treating them like trash they hop right on my dick?

>>17740526
...that's...what I just said.

>>17740539
doesn't mean your experience is common or universal

>>17740528
Not him, but there's a difference between teasing and being a genuinely assholish person.
Besides, if a girl won't date you because you're not an asshole, you're probably better off. Women don't deserve your love or appreciation just because they have a vagina, and you don't necessarily lose much when you lose such a person.

>>17740350
Both men and women should wait for marriage. Most women are not virgins by any means so it makes sense to call them whores.

>>17740350
As for me, I'm just convinced that I am not worthy of love. If even my parents couldn't love me, why would anyone else? I'll probably die alone and a virgin and you know what, I'm resigned to this fate. It's not even that bad if you realize that you have no chance.

>>17740542
Actually getting your next SO after some time is probably more common than getting him/her right away, or never getting him/her at all.

>>17740552
2-3 per year is the most common if you aren't in an ltr

being alone for over a year is quite abnormal

g-good thing i only have 3 months to go

>>17740555
Not that anon but
>normal
>when it comes to dating
There really is no such thing.

>>17740528

They are calling you names now? Really? I am 33 years old, I have played the course for a very long time and eventually found a girl that was right for me and married her. I can tell you that not one time has me being nice and respectful to a woman I am talking to led to her calling me a "pussy" or anything else emasculating.

Cut the crap friend, you aren't fooling me. You tried like 3 times and you were let down easy twice and one girl was probably direct but honest. Your over dramatic story telling is a lie you concoct to protect your ego and you buy into it.

>>17740559

(cont..) And another thing...

Your mind is filled with entitled millennial garbage btw. You tried a few times and you weren't immediately an expert at it and you didn't succeed quickly. You gave up way too early because your ego couldn't handle it, you read too much into rejections and you rage quit the fucking game like a child.

This is the fucking game. These are the fucking rules. If you want to play and get pussy, then come sit the fuck back down with the rest of us, or go cry and masturbate in the corner. I don't fucking care anymore.

Good luck. I'm done.

>>17740548
Oh, stop wallowing in self pity and being so fucking melodramatic. So no-one loves you, woop de fuck. Why should you care about how other people feel? Just do your own thing, fuck 'em.

>I'm resigned to this fate. It's not even that bad if you realize that you have no chance.
You make it sound so negative.

Think of being in a relationship as being like becoming an astronaut. For all that some may dream, realistically it's something that happens to other people and that as cool as it sounds would require tremendous disproportionate effort to attain and constant work to maintain.

Been there with the woman hating thing. It only makes things worse. I've been totally consumed by r9k, Redpill, Sluthate, Lookism at times and all it did was make me horribly depressed.

Yes, women have it easy in 2016. Yes, Feminism is disgusting (but most women actually ignore it or are not even aware of it) Yes, it is now socially acceptable for women to be sluts and social media has corrupted many of them into attention seeking machines. But it has to be said that much of what is written on 4chan and other such sites on the subject of women is a mixture of massive exaggeration, lack of real life experience, memes and abject frustration.

Of course, there is never smoke without fire. Its more difficult than ever before for a shy/unpopular/ugly guy to get laid or get a girlfriend. But 4chan will only poison your mind and make you even more depressed.

I understand why young men get so angry and resentful against women, I've been there myself big time. But you have to try and rise above it. Its a black hole of self-pity and misinformation.

>>17740523
what if they never get accepted? what if they waste their entire lives on this fruitless endeavor?
everyone has a breaking point. You were just saved before you hit yours.

>>17740570
>Of course, there is never smoke without fire. Its more difficult than ever before for a shy/unpopular/ugly guy to get laid or get a girlfriend
See, I disagree.
Just 20 years ago with no internet you would have to hope to god that chance would make someone fall in your way and like you back. These days you can reach to people through a screen and fidn likeminded people. I got rejected by all the rl girls except for one, and my current girl I met through Tinder. I wouldn't have met her any other way considering our respectve circles.
In fact, for shy people, the internet is a great tool because it also allows you to talk with no fear, make a move with no risk and control your image even better. The distance liberates you a bit.

Hell, 20 years ago you'd be unable to share those sad thoughts you have unless it was to a friend or strangers in a bar who you would feel ashamed to talk to face to face.

>>17740567
>wanted to be an astronaut as a kid
>can't because I have to wear glasses
Damn looks like I'll never be in a relationship.

>>17740586
>what if they never get accepted? what if they waste their entire lives on this fruitless endeavor?
Then they most likely have ssomething wrong with themselves and should work on it.

And don't mean dress better or lift. That's superficial stuff, and while it helps, it doesn't make up for true personal defects.

>>17740567
Does it sound like I'm wallowing in self-pity? Because I'm not, I don't really mind anymore. What you wrote is pretty much my mindset.

>>17740475
Nigger I lost years and thousands upon thousands of dollars on someone I fucking loved, turned to alcoholism for a long time and this shit still doesn't make me hate women.

Fucking hell. Teens get off of 4chan and go have fun. Please.

>>17740602
You can't change your personality. Or anything about you that isn't on the outside anyway.

>>17740612
>that is why you fail.jpg

>>17740607
You did a bit yeah, all that stuff about not being worthy of love, makes it seem kind of like you're dwelling on it. Good for you that you've reached that headspace though.

>>17740601
You'd never have made it anyway, too many other factors. Regardless, obviously more people get into relationships than become astronauts, the point I was trying to get at is that for some people it seems like such an unrealistic goal that trying to accomplish it is just wasting time. If a potential relationship dropped into my lap I'm honestly not sure I wouldn't just push it off and go back to business as usual, it seems like I'd actually be happier that way. Some people (like me) are just too self absorbed for relationships.

>>17740610
im not a teenager

>>17740619
I don't take advice from retards who spew the same advice everytime.

>>17740377
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bn_ZRatLl1o

>>17740350
4chan is the equivalent of bitter old cat ladies who never got over their husbands cheating on them. Except they usually don't even have a good reason for being this way, it's usually completely their fault.

>>17740645
I don't actually. But if you're better off telling yourself that to avoid actually doing anything, then go ahead.

>>17740659
I'll do something when I hear advice I have never done before. If you don't, piss off

>>17740656
Yes. It's my fault for living alone with my cat. It's my fault that I'm myself and that I don't want to be someone that I'm not.

I made my mind up a long time ago and I don't regret it, because now I can be who I am.

>>17740665
>I need someone to tell me what to do. My life depends on a potential stranger

Have you considered that maybe you keep hearing the same advice because it's good?

>>17740667
>Have you considered that maybe you keep hearing the same advice because it's good?

I did the advice and it didn't work

>>I need someone to tell me what to do. My life depends on a potential stranger

Well, you played yourself. Congrats

>>17740666
And a serial killer could say "this is me and i like killing and i dont want to change" but you wouldnt blame society for thinking thats fucked up and he shouldnt be himself.

>>17740644
t. teenager
how's high school going?

>>17740666
Basically nobody likes your personality because its bad. And if you want to be your bad self and never change, thats fine. But dont be surprised when people dont want you.

Everyone else has a mindset of "how do i make myself better and more liked" "how do i improve myself"

>>17740669
>I did the advice and it didn't work
And it could totally not be your fault? It couldn't possibly be because you didn't try hard enough, or failed somewhere.
Nope. The advice must be wrong, even though it worked for plenty of other people.

>>17740672
So being a man that works the whole day, works out a few hours, comes home, reads a book and goes early to bed is now the same as being a sick serial killer.

>>17740678
>even though it worked for plenty of other people
How can you be sure that it worked for PLENTY of people?

>you didn't try hard enough, or failed somewhere
Oh it's always MY fault that some shitty advice some random dude on the internet gave me didn't work, right? Yeah. Piss off

>>17740679
You didnt mention anything about your personality there. You could come home from work and watch loli. I dont know. Clearly something is wrong with you and instead of blaming everyone else, either figure it out and change it or accept thay you chose not to conform and give up on the perks that go with that.

A teenager dressed as a furry at school gets to be "himself" but gives up on Conformity Rewards like friends, adult encouragement, potential mates, the right to not be made fun of for being different.

If you choose to not fit in then you lose the right to be treated as someone who does. We are social creatures and have built in instincts to exclude people we consider Others

>>17740683
I see you are doomed. I'm gonna Ancient One this whole thing and end the teachings here.
Farewell, padawan.

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>>17740690
>I see you are doomed
>Ancient One
>end the teachings
>padawan

>>17740686
There's nothing wrong with my personality, I was a normal guy, meet up up with a few woman that got to know that there is not much that I do in my downtime or that noticed my missing experience in romance and ghosted me after having one date with me. After the last one accidently wrote to me that I'm a boring loner, I wrote to her that I'm sorry for ruining her evening and stopped dating.

Speaking as myself, I never got into the whole woman hate thing, but what I feel and what I suspect many others feel is that our dreams are so far away and that we probably won't ever get there, but at the same time, we won't be happy until we do.

See, unlike most others here, I have priorities. I've never moaned about ">tfw no gf" because not only have I ever had one, there's never been a point in my life where I thought that I should have one or that I was ready to have one, which remains true to this day. I understand the concept of small steps.

First, I need to get a real job and sustain myself, not some barely above minimum wage crap that leaves me feeling dead inside.

Then, I need to develop some hobbies that don't revolve around escapism.

After that, I should start making some real, actual friends and understand what having a social life is like. Right now, the very idea of me in a social context is completely alien to me, I can't even fathom actually enjoying or looking forward to the company of others or others feeling the same of me.

Only after all these things are complete does it make sense to look for a gf

Anons here probably know that they need to go through these steps so they actually have something to offer another person, but many probably feel as if they can't for one reason or another, or that it couldn't possibly be worth it, so they just focus on the end goal and how there's no instant gratification with it unlike everything else they've ever experienced, sometimes using women as a scapegoat, sometimes rightfully recognizing it as their own fault and falling into depression that takes them further away from their goal regardless.

>>17740711
There. You're boring. Go work on being less boring.

/thread

>>17740713
You seem like you have a good chance. Keep going, good luck anon

>>17740720
Yes, I'm boring, but I like that. I don't even complain about that anymore.

I'm not OP and it doesn't respond to his question, so why would you close the thread?

>>17740735
Then you choose to not conform by being less boring and forfeit the rights given to those who try to fit in, including but not limited to, potential mates

>>17740748
Yes, I'm aware of that, but it doesn't matter to me anymore, I still have my cat. What I wanted to say was just that people hate women, because even today where feminists fight for equality and respect it's the women that choose to ignore men that don't have a gazillion hobbies and don't look like a chad before even getting to know them.

>>17740713
You seem to have a level head on you, so let me pick your brain a minute. What do you make of people who don't hate women and can sustain themselves, but have no interest in going any further with your three step plan than that? Because the concept of finding new hobbies has always stunk to me, this notion that what makes you happy is no good and that you need to throw as many socially acceptable pastimes at the wall as you can until some stick, and that includes having a social life, the most perplexing hobby of all.

I might be lonely, but I do know what makes me happy and ditching that and squeezing myself into someone else's mould is not it. And if being happy means women will never have an interest in me then I feel like that's a price I'd gladly pay without a second thought. I don't really get why you want to.

>>17740765

Yeah, I'm sure you'd date a landwhale who does nothing with her life, no questions asked.

Women are sooo superficial and mean.

>>17740776
I'm not a landwhale at least I care for my body, but it's true that most men don't care if a girl is either a hobby fanatic or some hikkineet as long as she has a normal personality and looks fuckable.

I'm unhappy because:
>grew up in a conservative culture where it was likely that you would marry your high school sweetheart and start a family by your mid 20's
>fell for the wrong girl (from a different part of the US) who just wanted to experiment before college
>missed out on other romantic opportunities during undergrad (didn't want to get hurt again)
>currently a grad student, and slowly realizing that meeting eligible women is harder than ever and it will only get worse

>>17740713
You're welcome back here when you have all that and still haven't found anybody.

>>17740785
Still haven't answered the question though.

>>17740807
There was no questionmark, but if you ask if I would date someone like this: not a landwhale, but someone that is happy with what she does and that is not crazy.

>>17740350

Of course we men are justified in being bitter, because if you're a woman you don't need any good looks or social skills for validation as a half-decent sexual being. And woman are ostly utterly oblivious to the massive disconnect between what attracts them initially versus how they wish their long term bfs or husbands would act. Being a hetero man is like being stuck in an awful fantasy novel where you can give 1,000 points of effort and still get 0 points reward. The ratio of effort to success is absurd if you're not alpha. Do you know what it's like to earnestly ache for anyone to fuck you for 13 years after puberty, sspending thousands of hours having fantasies for any type of sexual validation whatsoever? You do not because you are a woman. The real horror isn't the struggle to lose virginity, it's how tedious the process is to continue to receive sexual validation even after getting it. If you could spend 1 hour in a man's brain you'd probably be like...fuck...fuck...FUCK I WANT OUT HOLY SHIT AHHHH

>>17740775
Well, as for me, there are things that I legitimately enjoy that do not involve screens or pages, but I usually don't partake in them because of a lack of funds and also because growing up with video games and books has made me a rather lazy individual. But I'd love to go out every now and then and shoot hoops or something with friends.

As for you, however, I wouldn't say it's even a matter of finding something that's socially acceptable. It's more just finding something that shows you actually enjoy activities that involve more than one person. It could be playing D&D for all it matters to some. But at any rate, I imagine almost everyone wants a little more to their partner than someone who simply wants to play house. We look for others because we want to find others to share our lives with and do things together with. So just think of how that looks from the other side. You have this guy that likes you, but he doesn't involve any other actual people in his life. In that case, how much can you expect him to involve you?

>>17740816
Not OP, am a man. My own experience has been that sexual desire is nowhere near as crippling or all consuming as so many men seem to make it out to be. I'm almost certainly going to die without ever having known the loving embrace of another person, but I totally feel like I could pull that off, and do you see me whining about how it's all everyone else's fault?

>>17740449

Fuck off tripfag

But yeah, this.

>>17740350
You sound like a female. How about you try being a modern male in this feminist era were masculity is underattack by everyone and were the only few remaning male spaces are mancaves.

>>17740820
>there are things that I legitimately enjoy that do not involve screens or pages, but I usually don't partake in them
Ah, got it, seems we're coming from different places on this.

As for me:
>something that shows you actually enjoy activities that involve more than one person
Pretty much all the things I enjoy involve one person, and I don't care for group activities.

> someone who simply wants to play house
Don't want this at all.

>we want to find others to share our lives with and do things together with
Certianly, I know that feeling. I just don't believe the things I like are conducive to this.

> So just think of how that looks from the other side
To be clear, I fully acknowledge how it looks from the other side, I've had enough people expressing pity over how 'sad' (in the sense of pathetic) they perceive me to be to know how I am received. I acknowledge that this is on me and not them, I just don't consider changing to be worthwhile.

>he doesn't involve any other actual people in his life. In that case, how much can you expect him to involve you?
Well, potentially a lot considering you'd be the only other person in his life. But glib responses aside I acknowledge this tends to be unhealthy.

For me the thought process goes something like this:

>I am happy
>but
>I am also lonely
>To be not lonely I must do certain things
>These things will make me unhappy
>Ergo, becoming not lonely will make me unhappy
>To me, being lonely is better than being unhappy

Therefore, I will remain as I am and cope with loneliness, because it's really not that bad. Actually having a love life looks like a fucking nightmare even putting aside the hoops you have to jump through to qualify, so it just doesn't appeal, no matter how much my biology keeps trying to convince me that I'm wrong and that I need to find intimacy. I know what makes me happy, so I'll continue to do that. Hopefully you were able to make some sense of this.

>>17740452
It is a mixture of complicated biology that you low iq people would not understand and the goverment for giving women too much power without the responsibility.

>>17740859
The worst part is that every fucking move you make, and every breath you take...they'll be watching you to fucking eat you.

I live in California and female roommates are fucking terrible. Worse than even those in Washington.

Oh, also, it's because what's the point of trying if every fucking thing you do is disliked and they only go for the top 20 hottest guys? It sucks in that area too.

>>17740877
There is nothing wrong with that, but I suggest you don't consider the matter resolved so quickly

I can only speak for myself, but in my experience, I've found solitary activities to grow more and more dull over time since they are mostly what I occupy myself with. You only ever get one static response out of them, and they become more and more predictable. Even 4chan feels that way at times despite there being actual people behind the anonymity, hence this entire thread.

That aside, I doubt you can claim to have experienced all forms of group activity. Your categorical denial may be in the way of greater happiness. Consider attempting something that doesn't require much input from yourself, if any. Something that focuses more on the activity side of "group activity". That may help you ease into the mindset. If, after that, you still find yourself unsatisfied with the experience, keep moving on. Only give up if you truly never find something you enjoy after repeated attempts

>>17740350
>a black guy

>>17740933
>You only ever get one static response out of them, and they become more and more predictable.

Makes you go numb.

>Even 4chan feels that way at times despite there being actual people behind the anonymity, hence this entire thread.

Kinda insane that despite the size and number of people, it's the same shit day in, day out, just anons repeating and shitposting the same things till they get tired.

>>17740933
> I've found solitary activities to grow more and more dull over time since they are mostly what I occupy myself with
Yeah, occasional friendships aside I've been engaging in solitary activities since I was old enough to engage in activities of any sort, and I'm still not tired off them. In fact if there's anything fatiguing about them it comes from contagious negativity from strangers on the internet (the "It's Shit" attitude). I also don't really follow what you mean by:
>You only ever get one static response out of them
I mean, I'm not exactly throwing a bouncy ball at a wall here, in this day and age there is more entertainment than one person could ever consume in their lifetime, and I'm still finding new and enjoyable works to experience.

>Even 4chan feels that way at times despite there being actual people behind the anonymity, hence this entire thread.
This is because it's social, it has it's own culture then tends to attract or develop particular attitudes about things. Any other place of discussion has that culture, digital or real.

> doubt you can claim to have experienced all forms of group activity
Of course not. Regardless, my experience has been that I cannot find anything enjoyable about socialising in and of itself.

>Something that focuses more on the activity side of "group activity".
I find myself rapidly disliking anything that tends to get called an 'activity'. I am a creature of habit, I abhor completely foreign experiences that I have no point of contact for.

>Only give up if you truly never find something you enjoy after repeated attempts
>Give up
That's a little harsh. I've not 'given up' on anything, I'm open to the possibility that something might occur to change my mind on any of this, but I'm certainly not going to pursue it actively just because people tell me that the fun I have is badwrongfun.

>>17740350
Most people in 4Chan don't actually think that, we're all playing a character. most /b/tards and /pol/acks i met IRL are some of the nicest and progressive people i ever known.

>>17741384
>actually thinking people are pretending to be retarded
You're so delusional it's cute

>>17740370
Eliot, how are you posting from the grave?

>>17740436
This. Like how many women are just used and lied to for sex? I know I have been, all I wanted was love and he told me he loved me all day long, but in the end all he wanted was to wet his dick.

I was wronged by this guy but you know what? I don't sit here and piss and moan about how evil all guys are on the internet. Instead I realized "Huh, that one guy was an asshole. Oh well, there's billions of other people on the planet I guess."

>>17740431
>turn 24
>"still haven't grown up yet"
see you at 44 when I "still haven't grown up yet"

the thing is I never even asked any girls out
but after seeing others' relationships I really just don't want to
the idea of betabux annoys me the most because I feel my inexperience puts my precisely in that position
when people bingo me I've actually started acting out aggressively

Some of us are ugly.

Well, the main demographic is males, so that's a start. And why does anyone come to 4chan anyway? It's a site that tags anonymity along with it so people can bitch over whatever they want about. Like so:

>women will never date you or me because you're not a Chad

Chads have the decency to tell you what's on their mind. If a Chad doesn't want you, he will tell you because he actually has balls. I've never been with a Chad because I've always loved the awkward Greg types who sit in the back and read their books. I'm tall and broad, and I like men who are shorter than I am, hairy (And long-haired), and squishy. It's just the type I'm attracted to. But in my experience, Greg always drops you for a more mousey, bubbly, shorter girl that might not even want to be with him. In short, a chance at something more, for lack of a better term, feminine.

Greg won't tell you, he won't try to talk things out with you, he'll just put you in the corner and forget about you. He doesn't treat you like an object, let alone a human being, he treats you like an expendable jacket. And when he's worn you out, he won't tell you. He just slinks back and keeps you hanging for weeks, months, even. Every time I have loved, I loved a Greg. And every time it has come back to bite me in the ass.

Admittedly, I'm not feminine. I'm a mama bear, not a pigtail-braid pixie. I cook, I clean, I've had a job since I was 10, and I'm loyal to the people I love. I make a damn good home, and I have skills aside from holding headphones in my mouth, checking Facebook, and wearing sweaters too big for me.

This is what men want, right? Someone who sticks through everything with them, who can bring up a family, who can actually engage in conversations other than 'thk u bb luv u' text messages. So why am I still single? The same fucking reason everyone else here is: We fell in love with shitty people who hurt us, and we have no friends to vent to so we do it here.

I can tell you where all of these come from.
>women are sluts
1) There's a lot of sluts. 2) 95% of women can say "Anyone wanna fuck me?" and get laid while 95% of men have a much harder time getting any.
>women will never date you or me because you're not Chad/a black guy
Many women prefer Chad/Jamal, and Chad/Jamal are capable of playing host to multiple women simultaneously. Not like, actually at the same time (but also that), but "courting" them all.
>women should stay virgins until marriage
Defloration is an age old concept. A completely retarded one most people still believe in. Don't tell the Bible Belt that the hymen is not in fact a perfect seal, you'll start a civil war.
>but that doesn't apply to men
Comes back to the 95% issue. A woman who gets a lot of men "let them use her", a man who gets a lot of women convinced them to "let him use them".
>women will use you so don't have feelings for them
Some say love, it is a razor, that leaves your heart to bleed.
>if you have an SO, you're a normie and don't belong here/you're lying and you're just as alone as me
This is an internet meme.

>>17740350
>Where does it come from?

>shitty upbringing
A great way to turn a potentially decent person into a dumb neckbeard.

>born with low amount of abilities and talents
Together with shitty upbringing, it's a good way to make sure that a person doesn't even develop the potential it has.

>combination of shitty upbringing and no abilities making experience in life
You suck and see "everybody else" doing fine. Do your shitty upbringing, you lack the analytical skills to understand that YOU are the problem or even what the problem is, so you look for easy solutions aka. pushing blame to others.
From this point it's not you who suck but women, jews, niggers, feminists, sjws, normal people; so you create imaginary scenarios where you get wronged or "the others" do something you don't like to further channel your anger into this shit. It's basically a constant cycle from here on.

Obviously education, media and the likes play a little part too, and it's given that people who suck in life will flock somewhere, 4chan for example.

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Why?

Its simple really.

It comes from a rejection of what is deemed normal. And what better place to reject the normalities of life than an anonymous image board.

If you go to facebook or twitter or tumblr you will see that an accepted norm is set in place, which is positivity.

In fact, positivity and happiness are.pretty much apparent in any sort of media that is deemed popular, youll find that the most debated media for art and politmics has to do with showing negaitivity in a certain subject.

So the question sorta becomes, "wheres that negativity?"

I truly believe that it is bottled up inside us, every single day, and without an outlet it causes such a distortion on the soul.

4chan is that outlet. There is no other place you can vent out negativity without being ridiculed for not following the norm.

>directors
>artists
>writers

They all have that outlet.

Thr salaryman does not.

Women shaming is apart of that negativity outlet, i would say your not truly complete unless you have strong negative feelings for something. It just so happens that the majority of 4chan were rejected by such, ergo, negative outlet is so.

>>17742365
>the hymen is not in fact a perfect seal
Wait... really?

>>17742385
Do you think these people can ever be redeemed?

>>17742385
Wrong,

Ignorance invites bliss.

Most people with shitty upbringings are not negative. Just look at gang bangers or rednecks.

They take pride in ignorance and often live thier lives with positivity.

>>17742350
>He just slinks back and keeps you hanging for weeks, months, even.
Holy keks, this is totally me. At some point "that chick" just becomes not interesting enough to do anything.

>I'm a mama bear
This often translates into acting more motherly in a relationship too, which is a pain to deal with.

> I cook, I clean, I've had a job since I was 10, and I'm loyal to the people I love. I make a damn good home, and I have skills aside from holding headphones in my mouth, checking Facebook, and wearing sweaters too big for me.
So basically like most people. You don't seem to offer anything special or exciting (going by the things you listed) so you're more of a home keeper or baby sitter but not a girlfriend/partner.

>This is what men want, right? Someone who sticks through everything with them, who can bring up a family, who can actually engage in conversations
Nah. It's very basic shit and boring, unless you're in your late 20s family shouldn't even be a major topic beyond cheeky hypothetical scenario discussing parenting methods and future names.
Speaking for myself of course. No fucking idea what most men want and 4chains is a horrible source since it's not representative for normal people.

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>>17742391
>tfw an American 'education' is actually more valuable in the international market than my home country's
Really, anon. How exactly do you think periods would work if it was? It's actually a serious medical condition to have a hymen that covers the vaginal opening.
In addition, while you may know it can be damaged during athletic activities, did you know that it can also heal, or that there are reconstructive surgeries designed to allow non-virgins to bleed on their wedding night?

>>17742350
If not for the 'hairy' thing I'd say you're probably looking for a Grace, not a Greg.

>>17742393
You can integrate child soldiers back in normal life, so doing it with "only" a social outcast sounds perfectly doable. Especially if they do show some initiative to change their ways. Many of them sound like underage kids either way and are bound to "normalize" as far as they progress in life and are minimally open for other world views and new situations.

The hardcore ones are harder of course, it'd be basically trying to make some KKK see that niggers aren't any different, which does happen occasionally.

Ignoring strong mental issues, one can always teach a person new skills and re-learn/adjust how they interact with and perceive the world.

>>17742399
> Just look at gang bangers or rednecks.
How are they not negative? They are pretty similar with neckbeards but had a better upbringing when it comes to social matters, so they at least have real people to interact with unlike neckbeards who rarely leave the Interwebzs. For ignorance to create bliss, one first needs to fulfill the basic needs, and many of these come from social matters.

>>17742422
>niggers aren't any different
This is objectively wrong though. The point is the differences aren't bad.

>>17742431
Depends on what you count as meaningful criteria to call somebody different. A blonde is different from a brunet too. Normal people wouldn't go their way out to insists that it makes a person different.

An ignorant nigger is a lot closer to an ignorant cracker than an educated cracker, even if both crackers are brothers.

>>17742438
I was more talking about all niggers averaged out compared to all gooks averaged out or all crackers averaged out.

>>17740350

Unhappy people look for ideas and philosophies that reinforce their self-esteem. The internet provides these ideas to everyone regardless of background. You can find your place on the internet as a radical feminist, a marxist, a fascist, as a gymrat, as a literary man, as everything. We're provided with echo-chambers that kill independent thought and self-reflection.

Since the undesirable man is a common trope of today's society, they can flock to their own echo-chambers, such as 4chan. They made up their own terminology and constantly look for justificiations for their own failures. There's no outside noise, no one cares and so no one "corrects" them. No conflicting opinions, no real advice. When there is, once in a blue moon, they get shouted at and their opinion is disregarded.
Best is, sometimes their ideas conflict. They just ignore it.
"Bring back the old, conservative gender relations and sexuality! No to sluts, yes to wives!" - "I would never marry, women are awful, they're untrustworthy"
"Fuck Chad and his manliness women crave!" - "We are the True men, the epitome of manliness, Chads are imitators"
As for the women-hating phenomenon, it's simple really. I think it begins in high-school, when most kids start dating and begin exploring the other gender and its sexuality. As undesirable men (at that age, kids), they can't take part in this. They have unfulfilled desires. Desires most of their peers can satisfy. They either don't self-reflect, or they deem their faults unchangeable, so they don't bother improving themselves.
Sometimes they do try, though, but it's always misguided. Instead of actual self-improvement they look towards places like /r/seduction and fool themselves into thinking that attraction is based on logic and has a reason. "If I do/say X, I'll get pussy".
And so they fail, or sometimes don't even try. Since they live in denial, they only have women to blame. "It's not my fault girls don't like me, they're all sluts!"

>>17742442
Which is a pretty worthless observation (based on countless factors, some that can't even be measured), unless you're into anthropology or something it doesn't tell you anything meaningful. It's not too different from brunets have a lot more hair than blondes.

The average American is dumber than the average (north/west) European, should this make me wary when traveling through Murica as Yuropoor? How would expecting the people I interact with being dumber help instead of viewing everybody as an individual?

>>17742463
>The average American is dumber than the average (north/west) European, should this make me wary when traveling through Murica as Yuropoor? How would expecting the people I interact with being dumber help instead of viewing everybody as an individual?

This is so stupid, modern Eurocuck garbage. I am European but grew up in both Europe and America. There are just as many intelligent people in the US, and there are just as many morons in NW Europe. Europeans have such a boner for themselves, as do their fanboys. It makes me embarrassed to be Nordic.

You're the European version of the "MURICA FUCK YAH" idiots who think only freedom exists in America.

>>17742463
>The average American is dumber than the average (north/west) European, should this make me wary when traveling through Murica as Yuropoor?
I'm not aware of the statistic you're referring to but if it's significant, yes.
>How would expecting the people I interact with being dumber help instead of viewing everybody as an individual?
That would only be logical. Until you know they're intelligent or completely retarded you should assume they are average, which for the area in question is dumb.

>>17742479
>freedom exists in America
The freedom to actually protect your rights exists in very few places outside of America.
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Also
>being embarrassed to be Nordic
Don't even say such a thing.

>>17742405
If that's "you", then you deserve all the loneliness that comes to you, anon. You don't do that to people. Man the fuck up.

I have skillsets aside from the basic housewife. I've written and drawn most of a graphic novel series. Only reason it hasn't seen paper yet is because of financial problems, I'm paying for an apartment and college. Have some medical expenses this year, as well. Paid for most of those expenses drawing porn, but quit doing it because I wanted to get more into serious comics and stories. I grew up on 600 acres of a mix of ranch land/wilderness, left me with some decent survival skills. I've built small housing structures by hand (would like to eventually learn how to wire that kind of place up without setting it on fire). I've been cast and crew in theater, won (absolutely worthless) awards from acting and built many a set piece/sewn many a costume. I was bed-ridden for 11 months and started to build a crime-themed RPG game, but once I could go back outside I quit working on it. I sculpt miniatures. I design characters and games. I create stories. I grow my own produce. I have shit going on for me.

Kind of weird to go up to a man and say "Hey, I've earned an insane amount of cash drawing dirty pictures, plus I can grow my own tomatoes, wanna go get coffee", though, isn't it? Not somethin you really want to open the gate with.

>>17742411

Pussy doesn't do anything for me, anon.

>>17742479
Well, you can serve as negative example for the Nordics since you failed to read. The data on AVERAGES, does indeed indicate that AVERAGE Amerifat is dumber than AVERAGE Yuropoor. Be it about education or creationist views. It's quite off topic so I can't be assed with sources but you'll find them pretty easy with a simple Google search. A big part of it is probably down to the country - urban areas divide though to be fair.

Averages, bruv. Nothing about "We Yuropeans are so smart and cultured" or shit like "there are no intelligent people/morons in place A/B", which is like the opposite of the point I am trying to make here.

>>17742493
>Until you know they're intelligent or completely retarded you should assume they are average
This works on a local level. If I assume that a person is average in a country where the average is worse than to what I am used to, it'd be assuming that they are dumb ... which is dumb.

Since the example with Murica/Yurop is bound to trigger people, let's try Murica and Gambia. Coming to Gambia from Murica, the average person is clearly dumber going by data ... coming there with initial idea based on the data, expecting that the person I talk to to be dumber would do me no good and only help to start the interaction on the wrong foot.

>>17740350
Women are sluts, it's hard to find a good girl. It's an observation made calmly without hate or malice.

I've never had trouble finding girlfriends and I've broken up with nearly all of them and when not it has always been mutual.

Finding a decent girl gets harder the older you get as well and the older you get, the more you are dealing with damaged girls and sloppy seconds.

Again, it's an observation.

>>17742523
>Well, you can serve as negative example for the Nordics since you failed to read. The data on AVERAGES, does indeed indicate that AVERAGE Amerifat is dumber than AVERAGE Yuropoor. Be it about education or creationist views. It's quite off topic so I can't be assed with sources but you'll find them pretty easy with a simple Google search. A big part of it is probably down to the country - urban areas divide though to be fair.

You can't be assed with sources because you're a retarded and speaking out of your ass.

>>17742531
a retard*

>>17742523
Assuming someone is dumb when they're probably dumb is a good thing. In an ideal world you wouldn't have to make any assumptions, but as many people of your persuasion seem to forget we do not live in an ideal world.

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>>17742531
>because you're a retarded
>

Isn't it funny how people tend to make typos when insulting someone's intelligence?

>>17742531
>"Well, you can serve as negative example for the Nordics"
>because you're a retarded
You sure take this role serious, eh?

Although if reading and writing aren't your strengths, I could be more lenient when it comes to goolging and lend you a hand.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2013/10/08/us-adults-rank-below-average-global-survey-basic-education-skills
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx
(I hope you can at least manage to google the shit from Yurope)

>>17742549
Just because they are statistically likely to be dumber, assuming it right away wouldn't be a good idea; simply because underestimating people has more downsides than overestimating them; at least when it comes to conversation. If it would be about something more crucial, the data heavy approach can have soooome merit but still be inferior to actually making sure.

> In an ideal world you wouldn't have to make any assumptions
How would that even work? Unless the person does something that indicates X very strongly, you can never be sure and have to assume something. Assuming something negative on the other hand, often tends to lead to it. Say you're talking to obvious thugs and assuming them to be a dumb stereotype of a thug, most likely escalating a conflict.

>>17740350
>women are sluts
When you see the massive push in society to redefine the word slut so it no longer applies to women then perhaps you should wonder why such a movement became necessary in the first place.

>>17740713
>Anons here probably know that they need to go through these steps so they actually have something to offer another person
Let's be honest here, few women have their shit together either. What are they actually offering, aside from companionship too? People often bemoan how entitled men are, but I wade through women at college who live with their parents, never even tried their hand at an internship or job, and are effectively equivalent to a guy who lives in his parents basement. Yet at the same time, they try to demand all of that shit you listed.

I would rather opt out of the game than humor that nonsense. People put too much emphasis on this stuff, as if they need to fulfill some list of benchmarks to actually start dating people. But look around, there are people all around you with healthy dating lives that don't even have half of the shit you listed. Having fun and dynamic hobbies or a well paying career are not really all that important.

Just as dick is cheap and low value, so is vagina. I agree in that people need to stop attaching so much self esteem to dating, but it's for entirely different reasons.

>>17740350
I'm a person who's been raised to be empathic and try to understand. It's a behaviour that comes naturally to me.

And still I fall to bitternes and holding a grudge because it's easier. It's liberating in a way, you have no reservations to vent your frustration, which I believe is healthy. The danger lies in not reflecting on your emotions and keeping the baggage until it poisons you.

>>17741637
>the idea of betabux annoys me the most because I feel my inexperience puts my precisely in that position
Holy shit, this so much. I'm a mid-twenties khv and there's this chick who's really into me. I know her past fairly well though, well enough to know many of her previous partners and I can only imagine all the people I don't know about. Why would I date her? I'm not going to be the guy she settles down with after fucking around for a decade, I'm not going to be her betabux provider. I know I wouldn't care about it if I was similarly experienced but I'm not so fuck that shit, I'd rather stay single. I'm just going to keep my money for myself and enjoy my single life as much as I'm able. I like her though, I'll be her friend but no more than that.

>>17742593
You're ruining your future out of bitterness for your past. The truth is that you weren't enough before, you're only now able to compete. To blame everyone else for your lack of experience, and therefore not get any more experience, is just another mistake in your mistake of a life.

It's like a small business owner refusing to cooperate with someone who's owned a business for a decade because they weren't interested in him a decade ago when he had no worthwhile assets. Ok man, isolate yourself and prevent yourself from ever achieving any normalcy, become more bitter.

>>17742600
>To blame everyone else for your lack of experience
I don't blame anyone else for my past, I'm just jealous and bitter.
>Ok man, isolate yourself and prevent yourself from ever achieving any normalcy, become more bitter.
Thanks I will.

>>17742600
Yes except there's that part where relationships are more than just your assets. I'm the same person I was 5 years ago, why would I be interested in dating them now that they're only interested because my career is snowballing in a positive direction? I'd rather share it with people who actually wanted to be in my life when things were still a bit rough.

>>17742508
>then you deserve all the loneliness that comes to you, anon.
Ah, ill wishes! How very mature and compassionate. Fits well with the caricature of a "normal" intragram/FB chick. (Seriously deal with the bitterness, it's very self destructive)

>You don't do that to people.
It's hardly my fault if somebody bores me, it's not even the fault of the person since it's very subjective. What would be the "man the fuck up" choice?

>Tell them how boring they are?
Will hurt their feelings, HARD.

>Explain it more in detail?
Usually similar as the first option, so will hurt feelings quite hard but also often leads into "I can change" bullshit. Although it becomes a more viable as people mature, it's a shitty choice at 16-21 range.

>Try to make them lose interest?
Can minimize hurt but needs a fuckload of time/energy. Also dishonest.

Starting to become less and less available on the other hand is efficient, and a pretty clear sign. Doesn't hurt as much as the truth and doesn't require you to tell lies. It's not like I suddenly (or ever) start to downright ignore someone. There are simply too many potentially awesome and more interesting people to invest time in less interesting ones.

>"Hey, I've earned an insane amount of cash drawing dirty pictures"
Makes you stand out and indicates tons of positive shit in one short sentence. Unlike the "I am normal human being" stuff from the previous post, which only works if the guy is desperate but in that case being normal is just a bonus. If somebody got an issue with the more extraordinary shit we did, it's better to reveal it right away, saves the time for both.

>I have shit going on for me.
Definitely and quite multifaceted life experiences too. Something that the original post barely revealed beyond the "had a job since I was 10".

>>17742593
Most relationshits don't last. Date her, gain experience and see where it goes. Where did you get the idea that you HAVE to provide for your partner?

>>17742604
Relationships are based on what you can provide. Ambition is attractive, a sign of ambition is doing well professionally. You're delusional if you think a homeless guy is going to have the same contacts, even neutral friends, that he would if he were middle or upper class. It's all about what kind of experience you can provide for others. Before you offered a shit experience, stop trying to put the blame on others.

>>17742350
>In short, a chance at something more, for lack of a better term, feminine.
I have to wonder just how tall and broad are you, because I've known plenty of women who could be described as both but were still fairly attractive.

>>17740592
Using tinder and other dating apps is pure degeneracy

>>17740816

Just hire a prostitute, you fucking chode.

>>17740828
Because you've given up. That's cheating.

It's like a disabled man being content with not being able to dunk. You never had a chance to begin with.

>>17742896

Been there, done that. It's not a substitute for sex with a non-professional.

At least that's my experience. I had relationships pre-escort. It's totally different. With a prostitute you can't really "make love", there's no passion, there's just machine-like fucking. Blowjob, rubber on, insert dick, pump, nut, done or wait for round 2.

Even if you try to go passionate, there's that stupid voice inside your head: "It's 19:00. I'm not her first client. Some dude sucked on these tits an hour ago. Some dude was in her pussy not long ago. Someone kissed her neck the same way I want to right now." And then there's that other voice crying and laughing at the same time: "Shit man I'm balls deep in an escort, thinking about kissing her neck and shit. Like some autist Romeo trying to save a ho"

>>17740363
Why don't you just pop a viagra? Then once you get your first time over with I bet you don't have that issue anymore since you won't have much reason to be nervous anymore.

>>17740447
Fake it until you make it man. There is literally no reason to mention that you have never been in a relationship before.

>>17740765
You're the one not making yourself marketable. Do I blame the consumers for not buying Mitsubishi cars or do I blame MHI for not making anything worth buying? You are a product that you are trying to sell. If the product doesn't sell you probably fucked up when making it and blaming others for not buying it. That's what GM does. Don't be GM. Be Mazda, make a new high performance rotary engine that everyone will buy.

>>17740673
what high school
i graduated in 2009

>>17740748
>be less boring
>boring isn't normal
most people are boring
you are boring

>>17740776
>Yeah, I'm sure you'd date a landwhale who does nothing with her life, no questions asked.
You're right, I'd have to ask at elast a few questions. But dates aren't a big deal, I would date any woman at least a few times.

It's a fun night or day out, not a godamn marriage, you weirdo.

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>>17740350
(1/2) I don't know about rest of these anons but for me, it's something completely different. I'm going to preface this by saying I wouldn't consider myself a misogynist.

My philosophy is that people are too fundamentally different to co-exist. However, the moment we become self-aware or even the moment we exit our mom's vaginas and opened our eyes, our existences and consciousness become intertwined by our community, our society, and other social beings.

However, males, me included, have an easier time assuming a position with one another due to our inherent biological inclinations, taking the form of a more traditional value set and worldview. With respect to this, I frequent r9k because I feel a lot of people on that board replicate what I feel and how I feel about women. It's not about despising women for all these negative things and how I don't feel like I can construct myself in a way that appeals to them despite trying.

It's that fundamentally, we are too different and the biggest and PERHAPS only difference? It's that women are vain. Many men are vain too. They find self-importance and validate themselves simply by existing. I, and perhaps many others, don't really feel like we have an important status in the world. I'm not beaten down or anything but I don't have any talents outside of introspection. I don't think I'm particularly more important than anyone else. I'm just your average human being. I use facebook for the messaging, I don't use instagram, tumblr, etc. I enjoy what I enjoy because I like it. I validate myself by my own particular set of values. I enjoy reading so I'm happy to read.

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>>17743356
(2/2) A vast majority of women are different. They feel as though they're entitled to some sort of greatness. The level of confidence and self-satisfaction they feel, you'd think they just discovered the chinese remainder theorem! But really, they're just taking a picture of themselves eating food or posting some excerpt about their romantic lives on twitter, tumblr, etc.

Obviously, it's not hatred but confusion and I fail to see the greater point of it all. I find peace and consolation in the fact that everyone, the moment that we perceive sensory experiences, are flawed. As a spiritual being living a human existence, we are confined to immorality. Sin, greed, vain, self-importance, etc. Rather than take pride in it, just enjoy the aspects where our existences intertwine. There is no meaning to love or emotions, just consolation for the fact that existence is sad, counter-intuitive, and meaningless.

Seek catharsis in the moments our consciousnesses experience one another. Instead, they seek catharsis in indulgence. And that is so foreign to me that in my times, I fail to comprehend the rational and logic to the point that I don't even attribute that to too many women around me.

I've had a couple girlfriends here and there. Some good relationships, some awful but it's never without flaw. The purpose I derived from it is that it existed, happily or unhappily; nonetheless, it happened and I'm content with a lesson learnt. But what they derive is self-validation that they're part of a massive sphere of human importance.

>>17740350
>women are sluts
this is true for 80% of western women
>women should stay virgin until marriage but not men
most people who think women should be virgins until marriage also think men should be virgins until marriage, retard. also, would you rather have a fresh cheeseburger, or a cheeseburger where five guys came into before you.
>women will use you
studies have shown that women often stay with a partner because of economic benefits.
KYS you pussywhipped, feminist fucktard.

>>17743251
>You never had a chance to begin with.
And neither did you. So by your metaphor it sounds like you're insistently trying to dunk while insisting that your failure has nothing to do with you or stop playing.

Or learn to shoot, I guess. Dunno how that translates into dating.

>>17743369
You blew this off by handwaving "many men are vain too", but fact is this is a people thing, not a woman thing. Vast majority of women are vain? Same for men. As much as I feel like I should contest that, five minutes interaction with my co-workers highlights the fact that I cannot. Most people are this way, and it's not even all that hard to deal with.

>My philosophy is that people are too fundamentally different to co-exist
Oh don't give us that Evangelion shit, people can co-exist fine, it's literally how we're designed to work as a species.

>But what they derive is self-validation that they're part of a massive sphere of human importance.
Oh, you mean sort of like the sort of self absorbed self declared intellectuals on /r9k/ who are convinced that wallowing in their own bitterness and juvenile nihilism makes them wiser and smarter than everyone else? I mean, you're less insufferable so props, but the influence of that pretention is still apparent. Thinking too much about things does not mean you've realised some deep spiritual truth about the nature of life, only that at best you have a different lense to view things through and a different viewpoint to offer. A different one, not the one true one. People differ in what motivates them and the fact that you (or I, for that matter) cannot understand them (and vice versa) does not mean that by default they are wrong to think and act how they do.

You hold your own philisophical beliefs highly and look down on those who do not share them. When you shake your head sadly at them in pity for their perceived pointless shallow lives you are no less vain than those you decry.

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>>17743564
(1/2) I did say men are vain as well. And I'm not even saying I'm not vain. The point of departure is that women have levels of vanity that are beyond my comprehension and mental capacity to even understand. Mostly due to societal conditioning and biological inclination.

>Oh don't give us that Evangelion shit, people can co-exist fine, it's literally how we're designed to work as a species.
It's kind of like spinozan ethics. We are all modes of god and some of share the same attributes that define our modes. Some of us can co-exist. But we can only co-exist with one another within a certain level of tolerance. I can never fully understand or comprehend another because I cannot experience their consciousness. Because of that, there will always be disputes, disagreements and how far you take them depends on your own biological, mental, and psychological capacity. In order to meet each other halfway, someone has to give up aspects of themselves, thus, not being true to your inherent being.

I don't believe I've realised some deep spiritual truth. It's an apparent fact. Why are we mortal, why do we exist in a finite existence, why are we gated by time, why do we perceive everything through a flawed lens of sensory experiences.

Consciousness is what differs from each person. We validate ourselves and by extension, our existences because it's our survival instinct to do so. If we didn't (implication is that we don't have that survival instinct), can you imagine how much mass suicide there would be? I mean, that would be the assumption there is even a mass that can suicide. We validate ourselves by how we impose our will onto our own existences but a vast majority of women are different.

>>17740350
There are two kinds of people who hate women
Those who never could get one
And those who managed to keep one around for a long period of time

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>>17743564
>>17743693
(2/2) Sure, some aren't but many are. They validate themselves through a projection into the social sphere which is essentially 2 levels of vanity, through ones own perception of themselves and then onto a community generalised into one singular being, that of a spectator or even, in extension, as a tool.

Lastly, I do hold my philosophical beliefs highly. I don't look down on those that do not share them. Certainly you don't or many of r9k don't as well and I don't pity them. But I do pity the ones that have to have so many layers of vanity as a self-validation for one's own existence. Is it pointless? No because they're existing. Is it shallow? Yes. Why not just willing admit to the world that they believe they're the most interesting human being to ever exist? They wouldn't do that because that would be pretension. What kind of frail of survival instinct in order to function this way is something I wouldn't be able to understand.

And like I said, I'm hella vain.

Everything you mention boils down to the user base. Most people on here are young guys who feel undesired, sexually frustrated, emasculated by their lack of experience and like they will never be good enough for a woman.

Spewing hate about women works twofold: it eases the pain somewhat of not having a partner, because if you believe that other people who have relationships are simply getting played, are not finding true happiness with a woman, or are instantly boring and vapid is a negative way to feel better about your own position as single. Like you don't miss out on that much. On top of that it provides them a rationalization for not trying (harder) to get in a relationship.

And secondly, many guys feel rejected/unwanted and the hurt and anger over this are very easily turned into hate towards women. Take a close look at many of the threads here. It's full of the most negative interpretations of behavior of individual women, and that's because it's such a big deal to them that they cannot look at a woman's actions objectively and neutrally anymore. Simply by being a woman (who, like all the others, does not fuck them) makes anything she does loaded.

That and when you are intimidated by the opposite sex and afraid of getting hurt, it is in a way tempting to buy into a narrative that confirms that. This is not limited to men, women who got burned in love can also jump on the "men are evil/cannot truly love/all the good men are gone" band wagon, they just don't congregate online as strongly and rather post passive aggressive stuff on social media.

>>17742350
>>17742350

I enjoyed this post. Thank you.

>>17743693
I haven't read Spinoza but

>I can never fully understand or comprehend another because I cannot experience their consciousness.
I agree there will always be an Other and Otherness.

>In order to meet each other halfway, someone has to give up aspects of themselves, thus, not being true to your inherent being.
I've thought on this too. Especially when wondering if I should try to make an effort to change myself to better socialize with others. I didn't know if i should seek advice on socializing or just try to bee myself with more confidence and drop the fitting in thoughts altogether.

>inherent being
Why do you think this exists though? Are you not just a product of your parents DNA + environment? Your brain chemistry and most of your cells can be changed and have been changing since before the day you were born. No matter how you exert your will on others your character will always bend.

>>17743356
>I wouldn't consider myself a misogynist.
Many racists, xenophobes and similar crazies don't consider each other what they are either. You're prejudiced against women, hence you're a misogynist. It's pretty simple. If introspection is your talent and you couldn't even see that .... it's sad, my nigga.

>we are too different and the biggest and PERHAPS only difference? It's that women are vain. Many men are vain too.
How adorable, trying to distract from the focus of your rant by adding that "many" men are vain too. Obviously you have actual proof confirming this bullshit, right?

>We validate ourselves by how we impose our will onto our own existences but a vast majority of women are different.
There is a huge fucking line between "We" and "the vast majority of men and women.".

It's fascinating how you made four little walls of text managing to discuss philosophy of existence, biology, sociology and gender studies when all you do is bitch about selfies.

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>>17743947
>why do you think this exists
because we are programmed a particular way. First of all, we have human attributes; for instance, facial, body structure. I have 2 hands, 2 legs, and a brain. Secondly, consolidation of my mind and body sets a certain set of characteristics that I'll always inherently act upon, creating what many call a "soul". Adding onto biological and social factors, inclinations, anthropology, you form a particular epistemology at a very young age. It either morphs or remains consistent but it will always remain an iteration of your initial processes even despite the brain.

Essentially, as a spiritual being that's experiencing this particular human existence (for me, it's a young male living in Toronto with a certain set of skills etc), it acts in a way that is consistent with my soul. Like a times table. 2x2 = 4 where the first number would be a particular set on inclinations embedded into your very being and the second number would be a product of your biological body, as you said, DNA + environment.

>>17743978
>Prejudiced against women
well "nigga", I don't believe I'm prejudiced solely against women. A particular brand of women, sure but it certainly extends to other people as well. Gays, other frames of girls, hipsters, random loner walking across the street. You don't have sensory experiences by being a tabula rasa. It's just that in this particular theme and topic, I speak about that in a particular way. You want to talk about weaboos? I'll give you a crippling dissertation on that as well.

>proof
Well, what would you justify as proof? It seems you've crafted an fallacy for yourself, one with an infallible context. Does anything justify as proof? How can you be so sure what I'm saying about the vanity of women is "proof" or would qualify under your semantics? It's all just formal reality.

Look outside, read newspapers, look at the media. There are certainly many men that are vain, just as many as there are women (maybe).

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>>17743978
>huge fucking line between "We" and "the vast majority of men and women"
Is there really. because in this context, if not obvious, i meant we as an extension of this "vast majority of men and women".

And on that note, surely, to truly understand something, there is a method of both formal and objective reality. In more contemporary terms, it's the ability to acknowledge followed by the actualisation of understanding. In many cases, you have both and in some cases you have one.

For instance, how I comprehend homosexuality (as an act rather than gay as an identity) is that I can acknowledge that dick on dick action exists. Certainly, in the wave of imagination, I can imagine 2 same-gendered people having sex with one another. And then comes understanding. If it's love and obligation, then, surely, I understand that as well having both of those aspects reciprocated in my life.

Now comes "taking selfies". I can certainly acknowledge it exists. I've taken a selfie before, not solely alone, but i understand the egoism and vanity it represents. But to flaunt it and base your entire self-validation on it? That's something I don't understand.

>>17744045
>will give a crippling dissertation on weeaboos
>posts anime pic

good old cognitive dissonance here

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>>17744071
comon m8. It's a pretty simple cognitive route. The moment we emerged from our mom's vaginas, we experience consciousness and the consciousness of individuality and the unique self is intrinsically flawed. Hence, everyone is, on some abstract or subliminal level and some on a more apparent level, self-loathing. I don't necessarily like the fact that I watch anime or read manga but that's my self-indulgence as a flawed existence, being human.

Also, comon. it's 4chan. If I can't post my anime screenshots here, where else would they go?

>>17744088
or, you know, you could just accept you like it, seeing as it's just a harmless little pleasure. as any normal human being would.

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>>17743947
>I've thought on this too. Especially when wondering if I should try to make an effort to change myself to better socialize with others. I didn't know if i should seek advice on socializing or just try to bee myself with more confidence and drop the fitting in thoughts altogether.
It seems co-existing is essential and embedded in society. For example, i can't make it though a whole day without socialising because I go to school, go to work, etc etc. it seems as though it's just how far you're willing to compromise yourself.

Look into yourself and your theoretical or soon-to-be SO and see what aspects she would require for you to give up and you hers. Understand that none of them have any necessary connotation to them, just what you want to attribute to it. Then of those aspects, see which ones would benefit the long term, to sustain a longterm relationship. Some are just whims or aspects of our social being and that changes infinitely and constantly. After you've "theory-crafted" it, judge on whether or not you want to give them up. If the cost-benefit of not being alone forever is more or less than the part of yourself that you're compromising.

From my biased point of view, I'm a lot different in different contexts because I attempt to meet a certain standard. Part of it is the self-awareness that I'm fake and thus, I'm fine with it. Another is that I'm a social being (as we all are). So the morale of my story is that as long as you have the self-awareness that you're compromising, it makes it a lot easier to do. godspeed friend.

>>17744045
>I'm prejudiced solely against women.
I don't doubt it for a second, prejudiced people tend to have tons of prejudices; just addressed the immediate claim that you aren't a misogynist.

>How can you be so sure what I'm saying about the vanity of women is "proof" or would qualify under your semantics?
There's a simple way around it. Give your definition of "vanity" (which should be somewhat close to general understanding) and provide data from a somewhat respectable source confirming the premise.

>read newspapers, look at the media.
Neither gives any insight about individuals and can't be viewed in an isolated bubble.

>i meant we as an extension of this "vast majority of men and women".
Which is purely speculative babble. Also given the context it's rather obvious, the bitter r9k crowd - normal people. Quite a fat fucking line, reinforced by the r9k side with impressive zealotry.

>But to flaunt it and base your entire self-validation on it? That's something I don't understand.
Usually comes when you try to understand something that doesn't exist and accredit your own reasons to somebody elses actions.

>that guy is driving a BMW
>if I had the money for a nice car, I'd buy it to impress bitches
>so this guy is driving a BMW to impress bitches

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>>17744144
>prejudice
Okay. I did say, explicitly, I do have prejudices as anyone does. I don't really understand your point. If the point you're trying to get across is that I'm a misogynist, I'd be closer to a nihilist. An optimistic one at that. If you can even call me a nihilist.

>vain
having a high opinion of one's self-worth. pretty direct. Simple. Look at niggers. Not black people but niggers as a faction. We Wuz Kingz, nigs noggin. Etc. Another one, look at the social justice wave and the ones who are vehemently against traditional morality. Enforcing a particular standard of modern liberal sensibilities to a traditional culture that's unknown to it despite not trying to understand their traditional moralities.

>vast majority of men and women
It seems as though you're intent on bringing down the opinion and "livelihood" (kek) of a particular board. Are they bitter? Are they genuine? Are they angry? Are the detached? I mean, it certainly seems to me by generalising a single board as bitter, you're unwilling to understand their feelings or thoughts. Which is fine. That's your prerogative but don't push that onto me and try not to push that onto others. R9k, generally speaking, share a very particular idiosyncrasy with one another and that's some jaded perspective on some social aspect. Maybe women, maybe being a NEET. Who knows. Does that engulf their entire life? It certainly doesn't engulf mine so I doubt all of them are engulfed by this ocean of sadness and depression. And certainly, a particular emotional mode isn't a hobby or like anime or photography is or necessarily a lifestyle. Generalising r9k and generalising "stacys" are completely different. If you wanted to generalise /a/ vs generalising "stacys", well, you'd have an easier and closer time with that.

Perhaps you're self-validating through putting down others. "If there are losers, there must be winners". Okay.

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>>17744144
>Accredit your own reasons to somebody elses actions
Again, I already stated that I can understand the vanity; maybe not as strong as vanity, perhaps, pride in my own biology or the specific occasion where I had friends to take a selfie with. Hence, my example on how I took selfies in the past as well. But I don't understand self-validation on purely this one mechanic of superficial. And it certainly exists. Denying it is.. honestly, pretty silly. Also, you're making a lot of assumptions about my psychology under your own standard. You shouldn't judge someone, on 4chan no less, by normative psychological structures.

And in that example of a BMW, you shouldn't assume what I'd think especially when my philosophy is so apparently foreign to you. It makes you come off as defensive.

I can imagine there being functionality to owning a BMW. A socioeconomic symbol as you noted, perhaps it drives better than a honda or toyota. I only have a low-end Honda and have never driven a BMW before. I have no idea so forming a concrete abrasive opinion on something I have no understanding of would be pretty illogical because a BMW is based in an objective reality that is attainable for me. Also, man, don't the new BMWs have computers in them? You can watch porn while you drive. Or you have a GPS? Cupholders? MP3s? Sounds snazzy.

But on the matter of girls? I've had my fair share of experiences, some bad and some good as I've noted before with some I'd consider very different. Ethnic, Asian, Stacys, Tomboy, weaboos. So generalising a particular trait of girls as vanity? I suppose you could say I've earned the right to make that observation. Maybe I've, unluckily, dated a particular set of vain girls after another. Maybe that's true. I don't think so but who knows. I'm sticking by my observation until it's proven wrong.

>>17740350
It's safer than getting your feelings hurt.

It's also a hollow way to live.

>>17744112

Thank you.

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>>17740350

No one ever comes here open to having their opinions changed. I'm really sad that these toxic threads hit bump limit every time. It really makes me lose hope that anyone from this up and coming generation is going to grow up to be even semi-reasonable.

Seriously, as much as this board complains about overly sensitive SJWs and feminism ruining the world I've never seen a group of thin-skinned people so insistent on living in a world that never hurts their feelings in my life. Everyone wants to integrate into society and succeed and be happy but they also want to talk shit about everyone in it and judge them and call people sluts and normies and cucks and betas and somehow still expect to find positivity and love in all of this hate.

Its like this board is dedicated to the sole mission of finding someone or something to blame for the failures in your life. Its like the people here are allergic to taking responsibility for anything that happens to them; its always womens' fault or chads' fault or feminisms' fault or tumblrs' fault and I just really don't get it.

I realize that someone is just going to respond to this by saying "roastie detected" or "wow you're generalizing" or "wow you're projecting" but I don't really care because we all know deep down that there's this toxic, entitled, pervasive mindset that is infiltrating this board and our society but no one is allowed to call anyone out on it or they're just "projecting".

Disagreement is not allowed anymore because its all "us vs. them". There is rarely any middle ground found here and its distressing because everyone is way too young to be this stubborn and inflammatory.

I'm not even mad anymore, anons, i'm just really really sad.

>>17740521
I dunno. I read a study that found that 250/300 women on tinder have fucked matches while only 50/300 men have. Its that the minority of men get the majority of women.

>>17744478

I would LOVE to see this study, anon. I'm preemptively calling bullshit on that but if you have an actual source for this information I'd be genuinely curious to see it.

>>17740370
I feel sorry for whoever had to put up with you for nine months inside their body

>>17740559
>I am 33 years old
Well there you go. You have no idea how vapid women who just graduated high school/are in college are these days.

>>17744396

Oh fuck off. We tried being reasonable and got laughed at by the jocks. When we got in shape and took our life by the boot straps we failed to improve our social skills so we were ignored by the females. When we tried to improve our social relationships we were laughed at for being autistic. Nothing we do worked. I have for years been patient but no more. Fuck it all. The amount of money, time and sweat I put into getting these slags to be in a relationship with me let alone suck my dick is outrageous. I see people from work who are fatter, shorter and just dumber in all areas pull off dates. They even have girlfriends for fuck sakes. What is an anon to do besides blame their corrupted minds? Every single fucking time I get told by a girl "you are a cool guy, I am girls are waiting to meet you" bull fucking shit.

No more. I am just going to live as a hermit and count down my days to my oblivion. I don't need faggy little pretentious dipshits saying my way of living is sad you bitch. My life is the product of everything I put into it and I got nothing in return. Fuck the cosmos and fuck you.

>>17744484

Its out there, just look for it. Not hard to find.

>>17744396
Thank you for that post, I see projecting called way too much, maybe some people are genuinely better than you and you have a shitty life? Not everything can be projecting and not everyone can be a loser just like you.

Still not trying to insult people just saying that some people giving critique on your life might be a good thing if you can be mature about accepting criticism.

>>17744287
>If the point you're trying to get across is that I'm a misogynist, I'd be closer to a nihilist.
You can be both, worry not. Schopenhauer or Nietzsche are prominent examples for misogynistic nihilists.

>having a high opinion of one's self-worth.
So basically every normal person. Having a low self-worth often comes with history of abuse, mental illness/depression and the likes. Unless we talk about disproportional high "aka. I am very important for the world"

>Enforcing a particular standard of modern liberal sensibilities to a traditional culture that's unknown to it despite not trying to understand their traditional moralities.
Culture was always shaped by people and things that were unknown can become the new standard. "Traditional" simply means that it lasted long enough to become "traditional" and doesn't address the quality/worth. Where did you get the idea that they don't understand traditional crap, and not actually oppose it because they understand?

>you're intent on bringing down the opinion
You could see it that way, but it's basically putting shit in perspective. It's a very small minority, that doesn't have any impact on life of others either.

>Are they bitter? Are they genuine? Are they angry? Are the detached?
Quad-yes.

>you're unwilling to understand their feelings or thoughts.
Not at all, disagreeing with someone doesn't mean that you can't understand them. Also key with generalizations is in the word, just because generally a r9k dweller is that way, doesn't mean every single one is or that all of the general board attributes can be attributed to every single person who ever made a post there.

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>a particular emotional mode isn't a hobby or like anime or photography is or necessarily a lifestyle.
A particular emotional mode is what leads people to certain hobbies and lifestyles. Nobody aspires to be a bitter, angry virgin; deficiencies and mental issues lead to mindstate (and acquisition of abilities, well lack of acquisition of abilities) leads to such lifestyles. Some faggot who just likes anime is a lot closer to "Stacy" who just likes Kardashians than either of them to r9k crowd.

>"If there are losers, there must be winners"
I don't really believe in "winners/losers", life is a game you can't win nor lose. At best you can make the time you have left enjoyable for you or others; or spend it in constant bitching and bitterness about people who do, which is pretty irrational but not exactly "losing".

>pride in my own biology or the specific occasion where I had friends to take a selfie with.
Are just SOME of the reasons, to go back to BMWs, he may simply have it because it was passed down to him, or because he really needed a car and it was the last one in the dealership, it could be his boyfriends car, or maybe he's totally ignorant to cars and doesn't even know nor care what he drives. Point being is that nobody but the guy really knows his reasons for having it. You can only make assumptions and guesses, and probably shouldn't invest energy in either since there is not much of a gain from it, least of all the actual reasoning of the guy. Just like with selfies and the presumed vanity of them.

>Also, you're making a lot of assumptions about my psychology
Based on the things you posted, the how, length and the likes. Obviously a very, very limited insight but I don't claim to know you nor have enough information to judge the entire picture. (Nor any interest in either) Basically if somebody writes a tirade about gassing the juice, it's a safe call to assume that they are racist unless it was sarcasm.

2/2 Directors Cut.

>I'm sticking by my observation until it's proven wrong.
A very human approach, although very limited, on many levels. If you were constantly raped by niggers over 20 years, it'd be very human to associate niggers with rape but still absolutely wrong and idiotic since most niggers don't rape.

>>17744496

>Its out there

Just a bit of advice, "Its out there" is not a proper citation. Like, if you're going to use a study and numbers to support an argument you can't just say "Its out there" when they ask you to prove it.

You can't turn in a research paper and you quote studies and graphs and charts you can't put "Its out there" under the citation section.

I'm sure its out there but, again just a tip, if you're going to argue a point the burden is on you to prove it, not for everyone else to verify your facts for you.

>>17744484
Not him but I googled it and found this
http://www.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-behavior/a22977-girls-on-tinder-do-smash-a-lot

>>17744492

I'm sorry you've been through this but, you do know that your experiences and your bias colors your objectivity of the world, right? None of us are capable of being honest about ourselves. I'm not saying you don't have a right to be angry, I'm just saying if you're looking for solutions, being bitter and angry is not it.

I never said your way of living is sad. You took my post extremely personally which says to me, maybe, that I might of hit of nerve. I hope things get better for you, anon.

>>17744498

True. I think people's inability to take criticism is really the issue.

I have major FAS. I'm not bitter or angry, Ive just accepted that girls my age have little reason to be interested in me. Maybe when I hit my late 30's I'll meet someone about that age who doesnt care about looks as much anymore.

>>17744533

Keep dreaming kiddo, I am a wizard and I haven't a peep for over 6 months. Most depressing 30th birthday ever. If you think things will get better in the future it won't. Sitting on your ass and putting away your problems to the future is wrong. Don't end up like me, you still have time anon and you make changes to your life that will have great changes to your life. There is still time.

>>17744517
>http://www.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-behavior/a22977-girls-on-tinder-do-smash-a-lot

Cool. Well, firstly, this is a survey, not a study. While surveys can be helpful and informative, the methods of objectivity used to create a control (i.e., interviewing people who use different apps or don't use apps at all to hook up) are far less stringent.

The input of 600 people in a survey that doesn't specify location, income, race, or any other mitigating factor, in a world of 7 billion people, can't be considered scientific proof of any kind of pattern.

This was an interesting article but it meets none of the scientific qualifications needed to be considered a fully vetted, accurate study.

>>17744541
I'm not just doing that though. I ask out several girls a month. I just always get hit with "sorry I forgot I had plans with another friend" and other such excuses just before the date. I'm just kind of numb about it all.

I dont exclusively persue 8s and above either or anything. Ive just always rationalized it as less attractive girls still havent given up yet, but I could just be bullshitting myself.

Im just losing interest in trying now that Im starting a nice career to take up my time

A lot of it (or at least a sizable portion) is probably irony.

>>17743693
>someone has to give up aspects of themselves, thus, not being true to your inherent being.
What a preposterous notion. There's no such thing as an 'inherent being', people are constantly in a state of flux informed by their current environment and past experiences. You don't just have a set character and that's it.

>I don't believe I've realised some deep spiritual truth. It's an apparent fact.
That you can regard any philosophical musing as an apparent fact is kind of its own indicator of the extent of your conceit.

>They validate themselves through a projection into the social sphere which is essentially 2 levels of vanity
Again, men do this also.

>I do hold my philosophical beliefs highly
You really shouldn't. Maybe it's just having a more scientific background, but I tend to hold any observations I draw under scrutiny because there will always be more data I'm missing. In the case of philosophical hypotheses that are impossible to empirically test even more so.

>And like I said, I'm hella vain.
You're not kidding. I mean, I overthink things as well, but I feel like I'm doing it to contextualise the material and the mechanical basis and functionality of things like the feelings of myself and others. This kind of tail chasing incorporeal abstract thoughts about things like the purpose of meaning that are by their nature undefinable and inconclusive seems just as silly to me as putting on makeup or wearing heels. Now that I think about it you're not so different. Both are, after all, ways of seeking self validation.

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>>17742587
It's not like any of what I talked about is unreasonable to expect from someone else; the average person does have these things

Here's the real secret, though: you shouldn't be doing these things for girls. Not exclusively, anyway. Mostly, it should be for you. It's not some arbitrary checklist you fill out and say that you're done with, it's more like a set of guidelines that you use for developing a life that's more than just staring at a laptop in mom's house all day every day. They are things that you never stop doing, always looking to improve yourself as a person and become your own man

Even more than just having something to offer to someone else, these steps are important to me because they show how I have developed a person, and until I reach a certain point with them, I have far bigger problems than just worrying about whether I'm lonely or not. Without a job, I can't live honestly and may not be able to survive. Without meaningful hobbies, my life is dull and repetitive and I'm not in the practice of leaving the bedroom. Without friends, I have no concept of human personal connections and obligations. All of these things don't really play well into my self-respect either, which is yet another reason to work on them.

Sure, you could spend your time crying that others feel entitled for nothing and opt out. Meanwhile, I'll work on becoming Chad, set my standards high, and with any luck, find a woman who does the same. I know I can be better than I am. I can't wait to see what it's like when I get there.

>>17744671
This standard of 'better' has always seemed so arbitrary to me. You dismiss some hobbies (presumably solitary ones) as 'not meaningful' and therefore dull and repetitive, yet my own experience has been that such hobbies are plenty emotionally fulfilling and in no way dull. You say you need to keep friendships to needed to even maintain the concept of personal connection and obligation, but that's simply not the case, if you have a job you will interact with people on a regular basis and you don't even need to do that to have a sense of obligation.

To me life seems to be what you make of it. I want to be happy, so I do things that make me happy (my pastimes), work a job to maintain that life and do so well enough to keep said job. I feel no need to expand because I don't feel like I'm missing anything that wouldn't be more trouble than it's worth.

>>17744690
>You dismiss some hobbies (presumably solitary ones) as 'not meaningful' and therefore dull and repetitive, yet my own experience has been that such hobbies are plenty emotionally fulfilling and in no way dull
This is because I don't like having to clarify everything with "for me." I also have mixed feelings about it to a degree, but my general opinion is that introspection can only take a person so far and that there is only so much meaning to be found in the self. Which is not to say that all solitary activities lack worth; just look at /fit/ for one that has a great deal of meaning. Nor is it to say that all group activities are worthwhile, such as posting on 4chan in general. Really, what I look for in the ways I wish to spend my spare time are things that will prove useful in other areas of my life. I suppose that is what meaning is to me.

>You say you need to keep friendships to needed to even maintain the concept of personal connection and obligation, but that's simply not the case
It is for me. I have worked jobs in customer service and sales and they did not magically make me a more social person. This is why I put the "personal" moniker there; there is a difference in the way I behave on and off the job. Talking with customers or clients on the job is infinitely less personal. On the job, both parties have a set of expectations and rules to follow, and the employee may even have a canned script. It's easy mode. Actually making a connection with people, involving who you are and what you want into the conversation is another matter entirely is much more difficult to me. Hell, it's difficult for me to get people to even pay attention to me. Obligations are the same way, there's a lot more emotions wrapped up in personal obligations than business ones and I have no grasp of that. Perhaps I am too compartmentalized.

More power to you for your happiness, but I feel as if a life not always in pursuit of the ideal self is a life not truly lived.

>>17744723
>It is for me. I have worked jobs in customer service and sales
Ah, that'd do it. What I had in mind was more coworkers in a job with less social requirements and more practical ones.

>a life in pursuit of the ideal self
Surely you know this is going to be never ending? If you can't ever find contentment with yourself then you will never be satisfied, never be happy, always chasing something by its very nature impossible and unattainable. That's a hell of a way to live.

>unhappy
I am bitter because after years of hanging out with a bunch of retarded manchilden that I loathe and being constantly harassed and ignored by people that I wish to hang out with, I feel that my life's end game is a suicide by cops. I don't identify with many people and have given up in general. No one cares
>women are sluts
We live in a very hedonistic world. They figure "Easy mode, why the hell not?". I don't blame them, people are weak willed. When a someone sleeps around, it shows how low they value themselves. Would you hire someone who quit all of their jobs after 2 months? Why should you believe this person is any serious about you after being the neighborhood bike?
>women will never date you or me because you're not Chad/a black guy
The black guy thing is (mostly) a joke. I have never heard of them having a bunch of women at their disposal to date. The chad part is accurate. Why settle for less when you could have more? Why not give the poor guy a chance at life? Because fuck that poor guy. Why even bother thinking of someone lower than you, despite their purest intentions and hard work? Throw them under the bus asap. Fuck being nice to people.
>women should stay virgins until marriage but that doesn't apply to men
Not really. If they had a bit of relationship experience before hand they would be better for marriage. I suppose if you kept a woman in the dark about how relationships work and married her, she would depend on her husband more. I'd rather be married to a knowledgeable woman than a needy one.
>women will use you so don't have feelings for them
The good in the lower valued people that the regular folk see is that they are easier to take advantage of them. It is impossible for a straight man to not have feeling for a woman and suppressing it doesn't do it any better.
>if you have an SO, you're a normie
People with SOs have made it. They belong here more because they have "real" problems that are valued more than other problems.

>>17744780
>If you can't ever find contentment with yourself then you will never be satisfied, never be happy

You're looking at it the wrong way. It's a journey instead of destination thing. The happiness comes not from reaching your goals, but from knowing you made the effort to get there, from being able to live a life without regrets.

Granted, there is one thing I'll always regret, and it's not having made or learned from certain mistakes sooner, or sometimes, learning the wrong thing from a mistake, but there's nothing I can do about any of that. It's way more important to look into the future.

>>17744821
> being able to live a life without regrets.
This is not going to happen. You will still miss out on things, you will still wonder what if and you will still have regrets. You can't expect not to just because you're doing things, since you're always going to be taking one course of action rather than another.

>>17744863
It makes no difference.
If the choices I make are in my best interest according to the circumstances of when I make them, then I cannot reasonably expect myself to have made any better of a given situation.

There is no reason to regret something like that, and if you do, I suggest you reexamine the choices you've made and why you made them. It sounds like you may be sabotaging yourself over things that were out of your control.

>>17744541
Oh well.

I guess some people aren't made to end up that way.

I was born by c-section. I wasn't born by the snatch, so I guess I'm not fated to die by the snatch

>>17744880
Eh? I don't regret things. I could have done things differently I suppose, but then I wouldn't be me, I'd be some other guy who would do those things. It's just another path things could have gone down, not inherently inferior or superior. Like going left instead or right. Each path has its ups and downs and its own type of fulfilment, there's no reason to regret because there' no wrong way to go about making yourself happy.

>>17740350
>ITT: I miss her
fuck you guys, I wish I had someone to miss, at least it would be more healthy to obsess over some girl than some fucking people on the Internet I never met

>>17744993
Only slightly so. Obsessing over somebody is always silly and unhealthy, no worries.

>>17744996
OK, I'd rather miss some girl every few months or years than my dad (although after a couple decades I've mostly stopped)

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>>17743520
But I did "dunk", and I will dunk. I'm pretty meh, some might say fugly but it's entirely possible to pull it off. I'm not even rich. I just have confidence and don't let rejection fuck me in the head. If you give up you throw away the slight chance of having sex you started with.

>Or learn to shoot, I guess
>my knees are shit so I spent years camping behind the arc
>tfw I'm over 50% behind the threepoint line in pick-ups

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>>17740377
here, take this comfy photo...

>>17740350
Fall and Winter are not particularly good seasons for dating.

Bcoz a good % of men never have the children....only top tier % get to fuck....b4 this era, the excess males were to busy just staying alive to worry...now they have sonewhere to congergate 4chan and mudle through why they do not get to fuck and probally never will. Even if they do likely dead end so have to watch sons getting eternal

friend zone and an hero. While daughter pregs chad runs and they pay. Now u can finally c each other...but femaisim has locked you out even more than b4....as has the sexual revilution and birth control. Only the alalgamatw betadom as a counter culture eg the rise of the gamer girl and nerds becuase they are also wallong 4 identiy as wage cucks becuasw there simply are not enough alphas around to support them so they have to beta off some what. Look at it from a girls view...are they going to go for the confident man that will breed confdent sons, handsome smart, access to resources are secondary, money as these can come and go but traits go on integenerationally

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>>17740350
They resent that women have it easy compared to them, relationships and sex will come to a women simply because she has two X-chromosomes while they're bottom of the barrel men who will never hold a chicks hand. inb4 someone posts that women are different and need real relationships as if half the guys here don't want that, besides many guys here will never even have a single chance at a relationship, let alone many like a women will - if women can't find a good relationship in a dozen how the fuck are guys here supposed to find one? No women would ever chase after them.
Add in the constant bawwwing about how hard it is for women and how poor and oppressed they are when it's a fat load of bullshit and women are basically given a free pass to do whatever the fuck they want, knowing that society will bend over backwards to think up an excuse no matter what they do.

>>17745418
>women are basically given a free pass to do whatever the fuck they want, knowing that society will bend over backwards to think up an excuse no matter what they do
this only happens because men allow it to. we live in a civilized society where it is unacceptable to use violence on women. go back in time a thousand years and women have nothing that you cant take with physical violence. this is not the case now though because men have granted women the power to choose who they want to have sex with rather than taking complete control with physicality.

women may be generally smarter and have better social skills than men, but they're weaker and that is why they've been place in a subservient role. even the weakest man can beat the living fuck out of the majority of women.

>>17744671
>It's not like any of what I talked about is unreasonable to expect from someone else; the average person does have these things
In slices, but the average person does not have a well paying career, exciting social life, and hobbies that are interesting to randoms. The average person is rather mediocre.

>Here's the real secret, though: you shouldn't be doing these things for girls. Not exclusively, anyway. Mostly, it should be for you. It's not some arbitrary checklist you fill out and say that you're done with, it's more like a set of guidelines that you use for developing a life that's more than just staring at a laptop in mom's house all day every day.
For the latter part, sure. I'm not disagreeing with that. Improvement for it's own sake is not what I'm criticizing. But to quote you

>there's never been a point in my life where I thought that I should have one or that I was ready to have one, which remains true to this day. I understand the concept of small steps.
If that's not a list of benchmarks before you give yourself permission to go out and date someone it damn well sounds like one. I'm not saying you should neet it up and accept being a loser, I'm saying it doesn't really mean anything towards your dating success. A woman worth keeping around is not going to ditch you because you're transitioning from a dead end job to a long term career.

>>17740511
>Did they ask anything of you?
>Did they ask for your help?
>Did they ask for your protection or love?

no, they just take it and avoid interaction as best as they can

>>17742604

>Yes except there's that part where relationships are more than just your assets.

mate, she's a woman. a relationship IS nothing more than an asset for a woman.

men work on nature,
women work on men,
children work on women.

why do you think do they just naturally know all the dates, from the first kiss to you birthday etc? And even more so of their kids?
and why do you know everything of your work and every detail of your car? But when's the birthday of your grandma, huh?

SO: yes take that girl, threat her like the shit human she is and use the power of the fuckladder wisely.
she's not going to be your last, she's just a toy for trying. you already figured out what her worth is and you need some experience, so go for it and figure things out. you'll lose some feathers, but's you'll be fitter for a better babe.

godspeed and take care

>>17740511
Thanks for replying.

>Smell the neediness like Wolverine smelling Rogue's snatch

Topkek, femanon.
Also, good points.

I suppose I could leave the hunting up to the prey, then.

Just one question;

If it's the hunt that makes (in your case) a man so exciting, wouldn't it be lost if has been "caught"?
Doesn't this teach you that, when the "8 point Buck" has been shot and had for dinner, he's in the same position as the pheasant,
and to renew this sense of excitement would require you to load up the ol' Mossberg and go prowling the woods for more game?

Because I believe that, when a man loves you, he'll place his own needs below yours, which would result in the same, though slightly embellished:

>I am not as valuable as you, please love me

In my opinion, that's as much respect as you're going to get. (Which is one of the qualities you stated are needed for a man to be attractive to a woman.)
It's the one thing I believe is what men wish to provide women with, but it's hard to show interest when this urge to respect and compliment women is seen as, uergh, "patriarchy."

>>17744485
he just expressed his feelings, don't be so harsh

>>17744543
Yu dont axactly have any counter evidence do you?!

>>17744671
>Here's the real secret, though: you shouldn't be doing these things for girls. Not exclusively, anyway. Mostly, it should be for you.

you should be clear about one thing:
this either leads to alphaness or suicide.

>>17745429
never read so much utter bullshit in one single post

>wome are smarter generally
my ass

>>17740528
This is akin to saying "if men like sexually more inexperienced women, why do I not keep guys around when I don't fuck them but when I spread my legs easily I am popular?"

All the time guys on here say they were "just being nice" or "just treating them with respect" and when they elaborate, turns out they mean they were bending over backwards to please her like a puppydog and allowing themselves to be stripped of all human dignity, let alone masculinity.

Treating someone with respect =/= taking their shit and swallowing it down.

>>17746448
Thanks for sparing me the effort to type it out.

>waaah women
Do you really not get it yet? Women mostly do not get horny as strongly or as often as men, and they don't have the same social pressure to have sex regularly. They don't give a shit that they get sex more easily because they don't want it as badly as you do. They want love.
>I would love them
Yeah you sure do sound loving, Mr. Weebowitz.

>>17746520
I don't think women want sex to exactly the same extent as men, but they would sure want and have it more if they were not culturally discouraged from expressing blatantly sexual stuff.

>>17746536
4chan lost a lot of worth for me when I found my way into more dedicated websites.

compare this whole thread to this single post from trm:
Women can have lust too. They choose the good looking alpha guy, even if he is broke, the village idiot or bad boy and a dumb ass, for flings when they are young and still in school. Women can hook-up with alphas when they are older, but will rarely marry a guy like that, even if they could. When women are young, their provider beta is their father paying her bills, so they have that half of the equation solved, so they just see and go after the hot looking alphas, and ignore the betas. But when they graduate college and are out on their own and need their bills paid, their hypergamy kicks in. They also see their girlfriends marrying rich doctors and lawyers and such, and they get envious too and want the same stuff.

For LTR’s and marriage, women prefer the stable, beta provider guy with the good job over looks. Women will marry a rich guy even if they are not physically/sexually attracted to him – very few men understand this notion. Betas think: I have an MBA and a good job, gee, I make this girl wet! – she is really into me. Nope. Hypergamy is just women being greedy and lazy. They want someone to take care of them. Women are realists and practical when it comes to marriage. Men are the true romantics. Sadly, too few men, mostly betas understand this. Betas score a hot or former hot, post-wall woman and think they found one of Willy Wonka’s golden tickets. Nope, these older women are divorce time bombs.

>>17740377
>>live a lonely life where your cat is the only being that is friendly an loyal to you
Only as long as you're alive. Cats will east your corpse when you're dead. Dogs are more loyal, but they're way more dependent.

>>17740383
>at least by many non-americans like me, slutty and whorish, devoid of any honour and dignity
How do you view Norwegians then? I've heard they're very promiscuous and often have sexual encounters.

>>17740410
This is a fascinating theory. Did you learn it in school, read about it, or come up with it yourself?

This explains the Norwegian's anecdote in another thread about people hooking up/being very promiscuous without any fear of judgment or serious repercussions.

>>17740474
>I understand your anger though, when I was a kid I would get fucking furious whenever some adult laughed at my opinions and told me I didn't know shit. It was only until I got older and pulled my head out of my ass did I realize why it was so funny to them.
That's the thing though, there's a way to show them with grace and class that many of them are foolish and naive, but most just want to knock them down a peg and lord their superiority over them.

>>17740566
>Your mind is filled with entitled millennial garbage btw.
Not anon but…
Generation Y! Gen Y, dammit! Gen-er-ation Y!!! For fucks sake stop putting down my generation with your fucking derogatory label that implies the whole "I'm special" bullshit you fuck!!!!!

>>17740686
>the right to not be made fun of for being different.
No…just…no. No one deserves ridicule, not for something like that. You must be a bully. That's how bullies think.

>>17740410
>patriarchy
hi tumblr

>>17747597
>P-partiarchy isn't real, you're just imagine it! The only reason there are almost no powerful women in politics or business is because they don't want it!

>not viewing yourself as disgusting and undeserving of love
>not being rejected every woman you've been interested in
>not practicing self punishment and mutilation/harm
>not being a kindly yet depressing bastard no one stays around with In the long run

I SHIGGY DIGGY

>>17747602
>Its not my fault I'm a loser! It's the Jews!
>It's not my fault I'm a loser! It's the Patriarchy!

>>17747676
So how many politicians and CEOs around the world are Jews and how many male? I didn't see Jews promoting a culture of sexism around the world either.

>>17740410
you are brainwashed

>>17747721
>So how many politicians and CEOs around the world are Jews and how many male?
http://gawker.com/5994970/energized-conspiracy-theorists-here-is-your-definitive-list-of-jewish-billionaires-just-in-time
>The Jews make up about 11 percent of all billionaires on Earth, but they account for 15 percent of all billionaires' worth.
At the same time jews are 0.2% of the worlds population.

>Its not my fault I'm a loser! It's the Jews!

>>17747942
>At the same time jews are 0.2% of the worlds population.
The billionaires are also a tiny bit of the Jew population. Besides, usually you can deduce pretty well how their made their money and being part of a Jewish conspiracy doesn't fit anywhere.

Also how many of them are women? Looks like even the Jew conspiracy doesn't help you to break the glass ceiling as a female.

What about politicians? Tons of Jews outside of Israel ... oh wait.