Regret sex

>I understand if a person is unresponsive "blacked out" drunk.
How do you know this wasn't the case? Are you just assuming that because women have complained about being raped while drunk that they're just 'crying rape' and that they need to prove that they were 'actually' raped for you to believe them?

> get drunk
> have sex
> regret it
> come up with a conclusion that doesn't involve you having to confront the fact that you made an unwise decision

Or

> get drunk
> have sex
> blame partner for pity, attention, and the good ol' enjoyment of ruining someone's name because you're dead inside and will never be a complete human being with compassion for others
> repeat this sort of behaviour and breed, thus creating children destined to either follow this path or an hero

how can women even call drunk sex rape? the guy that is fucking them is probably drunk too. if a girl did this to me i would legitimately kill her and go to jail for murder.

>>17661171
I dont know if this is the case or not. However I was talking to it with some people in what I guess wasnt a safe environment about how several factors could be at play and how claiming rape isnt the same as actually being raped. Word got around to a girl in one of my classes who have claimed to be raped in a fairly twisted manner which sounds like I blamed her. I didnt. And I wouldnt mind clearing that up. But Im not taking back what I actually meant so clarifying it could only cause more damage. I need some perspective before I go in so I understand whats really being said.

>>17661190
Sometimes it's genuinely rape, sometimes it's not. You should reserve judgment unless you know the actual facts, not just rumours. Learn from this for next time

>>17661190

You're correct. Just because she claims to have been raped doesn't mean she wasn't.

A breakdown: Claiming to have been raped and having been raped are NOT mutually exclusive. Neither are they mutually INclusive.

I don't see why you should have to apologise to her. You weren't talking about her in particular, she just happens to fit within the subject. However if you want to apologise anyway, don't readdress your point or clarify, that's useless and you may dig yourself a bigger hole. Just state that the discussion had nothing to do with her and you made no implications about her specifically.

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>>17661190
It's honestly become less an argument about "Was it rape?" these days and more a debate of should priority be given to the alleged victim's claim or to the right of the accused not to suffer the fallout of such an accusation until they are actually proven guilty. It's understandable on both ends. There's a long history of universities sweeping such accusations under the rug to protect their reputations, victims being made to feel that their words are falling on deaf ears, and of course victim-blaming as if the actions of the victim (i.e. what they were wearing, how much they drank, etc.) can somehow MAKE someone else rape them. At the same time, there is also a long history of "guilty until proven innocent" when it comes to accusations of sex crimes which have led innocent people to suffer irreparable damage in the court of public opinion for things they didn't do, or even suffer jail time. Concerning the latter, it is nearly impossible to discuss the matter without acknowledging the privileging of female sanctity (especially WHITE female sanctity) and how irrational the justice system has been historically in its attempts to protect it (e.g. Emmitt Till, the Central Park 5, etc.). It would be hard to deny that our society gets very fire and brimstone about rape, pedophilia, and the likes. We're prone to assuming that the accusation isn't lobbied against someone without them doing something that couldn't at the very least be interpreted as "creepy" or "shady" and that's enough. Look at Nate Parker right now in the news despite the fact that he as acquitted.

I say all this to say that more often than not when you get the whole "IT WAS RAPE!!" hysterics, you're really dealing with the sociopolitical favoritism of rape culture's zero tolerance policy than any objective assessment of the situation.

I've been at a party where a girl was raped, it was a real mood killer.

>>17661203
Did I say I judge anyone. Im a little triggered hearing this from someone who cant read.

>>17661217
Well I dont really like my words being twisted and spread in my name. So Id like for her not to think that I was victim blaming. She could have legitimately been raped and its not something she needs to hear. Simply apologizing wont fix that.

>>17661288
I didn't say you were being judgmental, I said you were passing judgment before you knew what happened. You can't deny that's not what you were doing.

>>17661302
Yeah you cant read so Im not surprised this is what youve gathered.

>>17661237
Yeah my university actually have a fairly high count of accusations so its a hot topic. Especially because people feel that things were being swept away. However a huge problem is that these cases make the school look bad since they have to be reported and make prospective students less likely to attend. So I understand why they wouldnt want to lightly pick up a case like this.

I think the modern wave of extreme feminism has a huge part to play in turning mens' collegiate sexual activity into a minefield.

>Can someone explain to me the mindset of a person getting drunk, having sex, then not liking that they had sex sober and claiming rape.
It's a self-victimizing mentality. For some reason, some people, in this case college-age far-leftists, just get off on perceiving their particular demographic as an oppressed minority by exaggerating or deliberately misconstruing any slight made against them. Look up the saga of "Mattress Girl" for a well-known example.

I'm not the kind of guy who just wants to get laid - all of the sexual engagements I've had in my life have also been emotional engagements to some degree. Not that you have to be serial monogamist or a relationship addict, but it's better not to adopt a purely fuckboi attitude. If you're gonna fuck someone, get to know them first and stick around a while after. If all you want is sex, you can ultimately get more sex through short-term commitments than by seeking one-night stands. Not to mention you'll profit from the emotional experience.

>It matters because I might have to apologize to someone.
Depends entirely on the nature of the encounter and the nature of the woman. If it was a particularly drunken one-night-stand with a gender studies major you just met that night, then I would presume you're at a higher risk of a false rape accusation. If it was a chill chick that just wanted to get laid as much as you did, then you're probably safe. And of course, if you unambiguously raped her, then fuck off scumbag.

>>17661166
The real question is why do people choose to get drunk. And the answer generally is to "loosen up", relax inhibitions and "have a good time". But some inhibitions are valuable things, and inexperienced or immature people of both genders can easily go too far in loosening up and do things that they would not do if in full control of themselves.

That's why you're not allowed to drive drunk, why it's not a good idea for guys to get drunk and possibly more aggressive than is normal for them - and why the laws now recognize that a woman's drunken "Yes" does not carry the weight of a sober "Yes".

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>>17661188
Don't be misogynistic you shitlord.

Has there ever been a case where a man claimed to be raped by a female while he was drunk at party and actually won?

>>17662578
>man claimed to be raped by a female while he was drunk at party and actually won?
That's not possible, they'd charge him with rape instead.

>>17662553
But Jake couldnt consent either. does that mean they raped each other?

if they both rape each other at the same time, does it cancel out?

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>was at party with old school mates
>me and this girl who used to flirt a bit are both waay too drunk.
>end up heading to a free room together
>starts confessing loads of wierd emotional shit.
>making out gettin naked anyway.
>actually get to sex... but so drunk i don't even remember getting it in.
>*while this is happening* she gets her phone out and starts doing stuff with it.
> me 'err wtf,.. are you okay?'
>her 'yeah just do it :p' .. then we get interrupted by someone banging on the door coming in. it is a bit awkward but we have a convo with this dude who comes in while we're both naked.

>never talk to her again about it or just in general after the party.
>apparently she'd just had a bad breakup recently before this event happened.
>seen her since. she has a long term bf now. she was totally cool going for drinks with our old friends group together and we chatted and stuff.

I just don't want this to come back to haunt me one day. like 'he did 'x' to me without consent! 'What do you think about the situation? it was pretty upsetting for me afterwards cause i'm a nice guy and i wasn't sure if i'd gone too far or something.... halp.

>>17662689
also to make it clear. this was totally consensual. like she was all 'let me go 'get ready [for sex]' in the bathroom a sec.' and she got undressed herself. at no point was i pressuring her.

i don't think she ever texted the dude to come to the room because she felt unsafe or whatever (it was a busy party and people were going in and out all the time) also to back this up i hang out with a female friend of hers quite a lot who has never said anything about this to me or treated me differently after the event

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>>17661166

The line is pretty blurry between regretting having sex, actually being raped, and how much or how little alcohol is a factor.

The unfortunate truth is that all the redpilled manlets here are going to immediately assume that the girl is lying and just regretted it and all the air-headed ra-ra feminists on campus are going to immediately assume that ever girl is telling the truth and was raped by an evil predator and in the end we'll never have an even keeled discussion about it because neither party is willing to admit that their opinions are skewed by emotion, not logic.

I know I've never had sex with someone and felt bad about the circumstances afterwards. I think you know deep down whether or not you've done something wrong.

>>17662713
interesting response. thinking about it i probably should have been more responsible about the situation when she started 'confessing weird stuff about our school days'. She was always genuinely super eccentric though so i didn't think anything of it at the time.

the situation makes me uncomfortable thinking back to it now but thinking about it.
a.) i actually did call an end to the situation when she got her phone out and it felt weird.
b.) we both seem genuinely fine about it now.
c.) i don't think we actually had sex despite the nakedness.

She was just saying all this crazy shit at the time too like oh 'look at me... at lot of people wish they could have this body'

It was a sobering experience. I'd never have a drunken night of passion with someone I wasn't already intimate with. it's just too risky. Feels good to talk about it though. Dunno why but this thread brought it up for me.

>>17662734

last thing i'll say about my experience.

genuinely think it was just a bit terrifying for both of us to realise we'd gone from 0-100mph in like 10 seconds due to alcohol and this was probably a bit uncomfortable. I think it freaked me the fuck out more than it did for her desu. She didn't seem phased before, after at the party.. or months afterward. I still bad about it to this day.

>>17662734

Doing something wrong and just having an incredibly clunky, awkward sexual experience is two different things.

What you're describing is just a terribly awkward interaction. Its perfectly natural to feel kind of icky about it afterwards, especially when alcohol is involved.

As a rule of thumb I tend not to get involved in those kinds of things when people have been drinking. Stories get mixed up, wires get crossed and its anyone's guess how everyone is going to feel the morning after. In the current social climate we live in its just not a good idea to leave yourself vulnerable to "he said she said" situations like that.

Some call it unfair, some call it feminazi conspiracies. I just call it common sense. Making bad decisions sometimes have bad consequences. even if sometimes the consequences are caused by the ill-will of other people. That still doesn't absolve people of the responsibility to cover their own asses.

>>17662427
>If it was a particularly drunken one-night-stand with a gender studies major you just met that night, then I would presume you're at a higher risk of a false rape accusation.

Pretty much this.

Gotta do an internal risk assessment these days if you want to sleep with women.

>Red hair? Check.
>Short hair? Check.
>Say's you can't be sexist against men? Check.
>Has a gender that is not related to chromosomes or genitals? Check.
>Pretty much says or implies that all men are predators? Check.

Seems this bitch would be better off growing cobwebs between her legs than sticking anything in. She's so far gone she'll shove a dildo up there then sue the sex-toy company for rape.

My question is, how do you PROVE it if she never went to the police asap?
Are people supposed to take their word for it?

Like when that one pornstar claimed that Jew raped her and said she didnt need to prove it or some shit

>>17661166
id say what you NEED to take into account and also what i believe is the cause of most university rape cases is that often women feel too nervous/scared to say no. especially if people have underlying anxiety although she might not say no, she never actually consented either. I make the effort to actually vocally ask "do you want to do this?" not in those exact words but i make sure that whoever it is is willing and not just going along with it because ive made a move.

>>17661171
>they need to prove that they were 'actually' raped for you to believe them
Like - yes?
If you've been a victim of a crime you should have proof of that in order to have someone believing in what you say.

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Never get involved with university women, they have been indoctrinated by radical feminists and they are dangerous. Chicks who go to vocational schools are pretty decent aside from a bit of normal woman craziness which is always to be expected.

>>17662839
The same way how the ''holocaust surviors'' prove that they survived.