Simple one

>>17647140

Because once you're dead, you'll never again be anything else.

i read this somewhere and its perfect:

it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem

you can always change whatever the fuck's making you want to kill yourself. and if the situatuions really hopeless just fucking leave everything behind and leave and try to have a new start, who knows maybe you'll die trying so it's a win win

>>17647140
Permanent solution to temporary problem.
Suicide is like nuking your house because you don't want to clean it.

>>17647140
Can't just make 1 argument because different people have different situations and different reasons for considering it.

The overarching argument, though? It's unfortunate because many people do it when they have a problem (eg family situation, job situation, physical or mental illness, etc) that could have been fixed if they had sought help from others with it rather than taking the most drastic option.

Depression is a big one, and it's treatable in the vast majority of cases. It's just that people don't know that. They think it's hopeless, that suicide is the only way out. But it's not.

>>17647148
>>17647149
It's not always a temporary problem (could be something like an incurable or terminal disease for example).
Unless you consider that a temporary problem too (since it's solved by dying).

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>>17647140
The easiest one:
The problem is only temporary, why propose such a permanent solution?

Honestly OP, it's never worth it, there's far more collateral damage this causes than you realize, think about your family and friends, how will they take such a selfish act?

If you'e at this point, it can't get any worse, so it can only get better from here.

>>17647157
That's another thing.
I don't have arguments against that. If your disease is terminal/not treatable and painful, I think that if you feel like it euthanasia is fine. I would go for it, and wouldn't feel bad if a loved one went for it.
On the other hand I lost my brother to suicide, and it was the most painful thing I've ever experienced.

>>17647140
think about all those pussies that need a dick so badly

>>17647140
There is none.


It's your friends life. Not yours


It is possibly the most fundamental human right you have

If you're going to kill yourself, it must really be that bad.

I've been down the road and could never pull the trigger. So, if their demons are bad enough they can actually convince themselves to do it, I'd let them.

>>17647148
Armyfag here,

We get this a lot whenever we go through ACE (Ask. Care. Escort.) training. I have never heard of anything more powerful I don't think but even if I did this statement right here works perfectly.

well, if you die how are you going to watch anime, eat food and play videogames?

The Buddhists have one simple overarching philosophy: "Life is suffering."
Once you understand and accept that, you can overcome everything. Life can no longer throw you a curveball. You're going to die anyway, why show up early to the neverending party?

>>17647140
95% of the time, if the person does not kill himself, then 3 months later he no longer wants to.

So most of the time a life that seems hopeless seems worthwhile later. It really does get better.

Suicide is the cowards way out.

>>17647140
Because if you wait a bit you'll find that you'll end up feeling better and living a normal life

I recommend being able to support yourself money wise, everything will get better eventually for sure then

>>17647148
>it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem

That is the entire point. Suicidals want a permanent solution, because they know that it will just happen again making "tough it out, it will get better, etc." nonsense moot.

Course I don't expect normies and moralfags to understand how retarded it is to have temporary solutions. These are the same people that go to work every day or mooch off the government while kikes control their lives.

>>17649407
What?

Its a temporary problem. It will go away in time OR its solvable without going as far as suicide. As >>17647149 put it, Its like nuking your house because you dont want to clean it.

People are suicidal because they see no way out, they look at their problems, which may be long term, and say that those problems will be there forever. They wont. Theres still measures too take.

Even if you suffer from a painful disease/illness of the mind or body there is almost always a way out, excluding suicide.

Depressed? Go see a doctor, if its a chemical imbalance take the meds they give you. If your chemically balanced you need to change your life, exercise, socialise, learn, live etc.

Financial problems? Practice stoicism. You put yourself in this situation, you need to construct a plan to pay the finance off, use governement resources and get back into the greenzone. Debt is a life killer. It ties you down and makes you a docile slave worker.

Cant get women? Work on yourself. Go gym, get nice clothes, get a fashionable haircut. Change all the variables you can into your favour. Talk to everyone you see until your socially competent.

Give me any problem, and ill provide a solution. (So long as it isnt a terminal/painful illness.)

>>17647140
You already gotta die anyways. Kill George Soros or something before you die.

If you're not going to choose to live well, may as well die well.

Also I've always thought the alternatives to suicide are better.

Disappearing. Go live as a hermit inna woods. become Diogenes. Fake your death and reinvent yourself.

Death is just never having to get out of bed.

>>17647140
any impulse is arguably superior to zero input.

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>>17647140
Suicide because of suffering is only a good option if that suffering is actual physical torture, where they keep you just barely alive enough to torture you more. If they think their mental situation is that bad, tell them to stop exaggerating. Too many people exaggerate their words far beyond the scope of what is actually possible.

If it's simply cause they feel like a loser, can't find happiness, or general failing at life, it's not worth it.
If you die a loser, you will be a loser forever in the minds of those who watched as you failed at life , curled up into a ball of self pity and died. The essence of your Fail lingers on even after you depart this mortal coil. All the effort and planning and most importantly the WILLPOWER to kill oneself, is more than the effort required to turn things around. The only thing that is a concern is time. Killing yourself takes moments, fixing yourself takes years. But the start of that journey also only takes moments.

>>17650419
People want permante solutions. No one wants to have to do the entire dog and pony show again.

Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

>>17650419

All those suggestions take too much effort.
Killing oneself is much easier than that.

>>17649407
This

>>17650419
You idealistic moron.... you're really trying to imply people on their deathbed should just try to 'find a bright side?' You have to be trolling. Or just really fucking stupid.

>>17650545
THIS
My nigga.

>>17650587
>>17650545
>>17650553
>>17650573
Y'all some mentally weak individuals. Change is very possible but its hard, yes it required effort.

Life is a struggle for all, for some its a lot harder for others not so much.You dont change everything at once, you change a few things at a time. There are a series of steps to take to improve ones life.

If the concept of putting effort into your lives to improve your life and standard or life is unbearable to you, then fucking kill yourself, you self-defeatist, stagnating scum.

>>17650579 I said unless your dying bruh

Because killing yourself before you've committed yourself to a religion seriously enough to get accepted into heaven is a really bad idea.

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>>17647570
this

>>17650545
Thats a farcry meme, not the psychology definition

>>17647149
this phrase has been tossed around so much that people dont understand it anymore especially if theyre depressed.

>>17647140
not rly an argument but this is a nice quote" do dont the same things over and over again and expect a different result".

>>17650791
Why do you assume that every suicidal is weak? Is it hard for you to believe that some people just come to the conclusion of suicide in a logical matter?

>>17651592
Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results isn't insane?

Save up 400$ go to Russia.

Litarally walk around and say exactly what You say

Commit suicide.

Food. Honestly thinking of never eating my favorite foods again made me think life isn't so bad to where I need to end it.

>>17647140
This isnt a video game you dont get another life\ve so make it a fun one

>>17647140
Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem

>>17647158
What if we don't have ang family or friends?

>>17652564
Weak as in, no will power, no desire to actually put energy in the change.

Now Ive already stated, as long as its not medical, you can change.

Look at the people who replied, they all said it was too much effort. Are these hardworking, self-improving hard-thinking individuals? No, they're lazy, their incompetency blinds them of the way out. Theyre largely self defeatist and always play the victim card, as if their situation is not because of them, its because of the cruel world. What a load of bullshit. If they took a moment to reflect on the situation, maybe meditate with it, they would find answers, hard answers which require them to leave their comfort zones, which require commitment and maybe an massive exertion of energy, but at the end of the day leave you loving life.

Drugs.

>>17652808
You cant always get a new family, but you can always make new friends.

For the antisocial or somewhat socially incompetent its a lot more difficult, but never impossible.

How to make friends? I would suggest reading a few books,

>How to win friends and influence people by Dale Carnegie

Good read, a little outdated (Ignore the rule about repeating someones name as often as possible. its irritating.) This book will help you with male colleagues and to an extent friends, dont use this information to get girls, unless you want to maintain a strictly professional relationship with them.

To get women, look into:

> "Models" By Mark Manson

Provides great advice on how to be a well balanced individual and how to build relations with women you're sexually interested in.

For powergames within the workplace (Also handy in the rest of life)

>"The 48 laws of power" by Robert Greene

Great book, utterly life changing. You will be able to see how people are trying to influence you, how people retain and gain power among a group, if you're like me, it will add a whole lot more detail to everyday interaction with other people. If you dont want to read them, this youtuber did a great series on each rule:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP3MFbKgez_LbMpgUY4oYlsYAq0YNi2Le

Finally, get hobbies (Not clique, Hear me out)

You need to go to places where other people are to make friends. Its that simple. It requires you to leave your comfort zone. This is why you pick an activity/hobby you like. You go to said hobby/activity and you talk to everyone, treat everyone as a friend and then try to kick it with the people you like the most, most frequently. Invite a group of people out, for a drink or something after you have garnered enough of a connection/friendship. Ask a few people, and people will relpy back asking who else is going, so you just reply back something like "Just me and you at the moment, waiting to hear from [x person][y person]."

>>17653361
They already know what the outside will offer them. It's precisely why they're doing it. There is no mystical answer to come, because the suicidals already have the answer.

They one of the wises people of humanity, because they realize that their thinking doesn't work in contemporary society.

A world run by the truly weak thanks to left policies and humanitarianism. A world where killing off criminals is wrong, a world where killing off the poor is wrong, a world where we have to tolerate evil in the name of egoism(muh if we kill them we'll be just like them), a world where the kikes rule and the work you make is stolen to be given to the trash of society.

Suicidals aren't going to be dumb enough to fall for current societies brainwashing and won't continue to be chums to the evil beings of this world such as the kikes, niggers, spics, yellow niggers, sandniggers, libtards, hippies, sjws, and oldfags.

>>17653443
>You need to go to places where other people are to make friends.
There are none in miles. That aside, you are pretty cool.

>>17653443
Looks like useful information. These books seem worth a read for sure.

When you say meet people for a drink what if part of the reason your depressed is because you have no job, money or stable living situation. Affording a drink is outside on my means.

Just asking your able to think of things from a more positive perspective.

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>>17654384
Maslow was onto something when he created his Hierarchy of needs. You're right by saying without a good foundation (Reaching the lower levels of the hierarchy) that the higher means of happiness are less accessible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy_of_needs

Your primary focus should be on work. You need to get into a job, doesnt matter what. A coffee barista? Do it. Working in a warehouse? Do it. It doesnt matter how little the pay is, so long as you have an income to live off. In your spare time constantly look for better jobs.

Focus on learning marketable skills. In you spare time learn skills which can get you a job. Coding for example, there are free resources online such as code academy, these resources are fine whilst youre just starting.

Refine your CV/Resume. Hand it out in every store you come by with a smile on you face and a firm handshake on goodbye. Apply to every job that sounds plausible online.

Are you educated? If you have a worthy degree, it will aid your job search prospects.

Your appearance matters alot. You need to look healthy, the most desirable look being ripped from years of commitment in a gym.

If you cant afford a gym membership go to
www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness.

Im also going to need to know how socially competent you are.

Read these books also

>"The millionaire fastlane" by MJ DeMarco

This isnt a get rich quick scheme. It outlines the "slowlane" way people think and the "fastlane" thinking method. Its about longterm sustainability.

>"The power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle

About thinking in the now, letting go of the ego and whats stopping you from becoming the best version of yourself possible.

>"The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" by Stephen R. Covey

Good read for people lacking motivation. Its simply 7 habits which successful people have embodied.

"Rich dad poor dad" by Robert Kiyosaki

All these books are free online, google [book name] PDF or Audiobook in youtube.

>>17653688
Where do you live, Norway?

>>17653657
Suicidals look at the human condition and realize there is not reason for existence or consciousness.

They assume that because there is no inherent reason for existence that there is no reason to live.

Instead of giving in to the existential crisis they ought to realise that because there is no set reason to exist they can forge their own instead.

Thats why mediation is such a great tool. To sit with oneself, to let the mind express itself. If you're in this situation, meditate. After a few weeks of practicing meditation, ask yourself during a session, "what do I want?"

Do you want to help other people? Become a doctor, psychologist etc.
Do you want to amass wealth and fame? Start a business, build a public image etc.
Do you want to explore and discover? Become a scientist get a degree, travel, consider becoming a photographer.

The answer you come up with will be from deep within. And just like that, you have a purpose.

Buddhists are greatest nihilists.

>>17654919
Buddhists created the cattle system and are butthurt soldiers because samurais became obsolete.