Capitalists can suck my dick

Move country.

>>17616010
Buy a horse, move to the woods, and stop bothering people

>>17616010
you hate capitalism and buy bananas? dude ...

>>17616013
>>17616012

I love my education, I don't want to give that up.

And covering up adverts isn't going to "bother" anyone. People won't be upset they can't see an advert, a huge company like Coca Cola or whatever aren't going to be brought down because a tiny amount of their adverts are temporarily obscured, and the guy selling advertising space is still getting paid the same amount of money.

Its a victimless crime - its practically benevolent

>>17616010
Stop being edgy. If you don't like capitalism so much then leave, the rest of us are forced to succumb to it and become a part of it whether we like it or not. There's no perfect system, this is the one we have, carve out a piece for yourself.

>>17616018
banana republics hate him.

>>17616010
So, you will want a loan or not?

>>17616022
Seriously, we welcome OP to the world of 1Gbps internet, no data caps, reasonable phone bills, paid vacations, no billboards, and decent TV.

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>>17616018
>>17616024

The bananas are not custom-ordered for me, they were already flown and packed on the shelves. If I hadn't bought a banana, the banana would just be thrown out at the end of the day and the amount of exploitation wouldn't have changed.

Besides, I have to work within a capitalist system to some degree to support my basic livelihood. Its simply not practical to try and live purely morally and still fufill my self-actualisational needs in modern society.

>>17616022

Its true that we don't really have a great alternative to capitalism - communists are yesterday's news, and socialists are generally retarded. But that doesn't mean we have to just accept capitalism - we should always be open to new options. This ubiquitous attitude that capitalism is the ONLY option, and that any contrary ideas are to be laughed at, is extremely damaging to the common good.

Its okay to support capitalism, but if you don't realise it has serious problems then you're deluding yourself. Accepting the status quo is easy but spineless.

Capitalism is what got you that banana in the first place you entitled prick.

You probably aren't from post soviet country but I am. Bananas were a fucking luxury good in the communist block back in the day. If you were lucky, you ate them once a year for christmas, if you weren't lucky, you'd be standing in a big ass line just to get a loaf of bread.

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>>17616044

>hard times are exclusive to Communist countries
>anticapitalist means Communist

I'm sorry for what you had to experience, but I think that your statement isn't logically consistent as an argument for capitalism. You're just saying that because a certain group of people have at a certain time had a lower quality of life under one non-capitalist regime, that all non-capitalist regimes are bad.

Its an inference, and a logical leap.

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>>17616021
>>17616039
>destroying private property is a victimless crime
dude

capitalism is literally just people being free and trading goods with each-other as they see fit. the word itself was made by marxists so they could have a word for the boogieman which in reality is just people being free and entering into voluntary contracts.

>>17616039
>But that doesn't mean we have to just accept capitalism - we should always be open to new options
Like what? The world is listening OP.
>This ubiquitous attitude that capitalism is the ONLY option, and that any contrary ideas are to be laughed at, is extremely damaging to the common good
Where are your ideas?
>Its okay to support capitalism, but if you don't realise it has serious problems then you're deluding yourself
Of course it has problems, I never said it didn't.
>Accepting the status quo is easy but spineless
>if you don't cover up billboards because you're upset with your bananas you're spineless
Kek you must be underage. Should I wear a cape too? We'll be real revolutionaries.

If you really want to do something about it OP, dedicate your life to becoming a politician, infiltrate the highest elite classes, and then try to start a coup from within. We'll be with you when you do. But be realistic with yourself, you're not going to do that, and even if you did you don't have the slightest idea of what better system there could be.
So again, unless you're going to really try and do something about it, not cringeworthy caped crusader shit, deal with it and carve out a piece for yourself.

>>17616064

Its not "destroying" anything. I mean, I guess if I nailed planks into a wall that would be, but ducttaping a sheet over an advert leaves no damage at all - they can just take the sheet off when they realise its there after a few days.

>>17616021
>I love my education, I don't want to give that up.
so you like capitalism when you nedd it but not when it bothers you eh

>>17616068

>dont try and do anything unless you can singlehandedly invent a perfectly working never before seen ideaology and become the most influential politician the world has ever known

Yeh ok. Just like how practicing medicine is pointless unless we know how to cure every single disease, right?

Youre calling me a kid, but youre the one whos taking a naively puritannical view of the world. Every little helps.

>>17616076
I'm sorry are you comparing your heroic acts of vandalism to being a doctor?

>>17616075

To take the credit of my education away from my lecturere and the teachers of history and place it onto capitalism is ridiculous. Just because something takes place under capitalism, doesnt mean its exclusively available due to it.

Soviet Russia had extremely good universities, I believe.

>>17616078

Yes. If you think about what the word "comparison" means, you might understand that I'm not saying I AM a doctor, I'm just saying that your notion that any action that doesnt fix EVERYTHING is pointless is retarded.

Capiche?

>>17616083
You win OP. 10/10 troll made me pretty flustered. Capiche gave it away.

>>17616143

Capiche is common vernacular where I'm from. It just means "do you understand?"

If I don't like your clothes/house/anything about you, by your logic I have the right to change it in the way I see fit. I can nail planks on your house just because I don't like the way it looks.

>>17616155

But the house is private property, I would have to trespass to stick shit to it. But adverts are just out in the street and in public.

Besides, the analogy doesnt hold - "defacing" a place where innocent families live is nothing like defacing a billboard that has no purpose except to spread a corporate message.

>>17616079
Here in the great socialistic utopia or euroland all lecturers are online, professors can be reached by email and Skype, and any book is available to freely loan upon request (unless it's special as shit, in which case enjoy sitting in the Vatican or somewhere).

>>17616010
move to china, cuba? bye bye.

>>17616165

Education is actually one of the least capitalist industries I can think of. Libraries are paid for via taxes, with everyone splitting the burden, and anyone, no matter who they are, can study any book at a reference library for free.

If you want an example of capitalist-style education, just look at hugely expensive university textbooks, that are """"revised"""" every year just to increase profits while doing nothing for the student.

>>17616179

>you shouldnt live in a country if you want to change limited aspects of it

I can be patriotic and still want to make changes. In fact, my desire to improve things makes me more patriotic if anything.

If everyone thought like you, social progress would never be made.

>>17616079
No it didn't, most education was stifled, unless you worked for the army, your engineering degree was most likely to be useless. Engineers literally worked fields and were factory workers because the state didn't invest into engineering and private people weren't alowed to. The only thing they had was math, probably because it was cheap so they crammed some money into that, they had top notch mathematicians but even those were underpaid compared to the standards of the outside world. THe math professors literally flooded europe and us after the iron curtains fell.

>>17616191

The point is, universities and the general edifice of learning are in no way intrinsic to a capitalist society like the anon was claiming.

>>17616188
> hugely expensive university textbooks
Here our professors are pretty reasonable about the books they've written, I think. The libraries usually stock up on those textbooks we need frequently, so we can take them away and click to renew online. Not usually expensive to buy, but if they were we'd torrent the shit out of them and read on a tablet.

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>>17616164
This has to be bait. Nobody can be this retarded.

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>>17616010
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>>17616201
Oh here's another thought - ask the society of that subject to get the department to fund buying all the books. Just pimp it as filling the bookshelves in the societies library, and then freely take them.

>>17616079
>Soviet Russia had extremely good universities,
you are wrong, and universities can afford to be good because they are private. You have to pay to attend them, and work to pay them, this is capitalism.

>>17616233

I study maths, and I have been told by some of the older faculty that the Soviet's physcists and mathematicians were worldclass.

How was this possible if universities need to be private?

>>17616233
They just have better funded PR departments. Like the MIT method: take some old research, rehash it, rapidly push out three different papers at different stages referencing each other.

>>17616055
just go to any not capitalist country anon.
Cuba, is probably the least shit.

>>17616039
>If I hadn't bought a banana, the banana would just be thrown out at the end of the day and the amount of exploitation wouldn't have changed.

You're just making shitty excuses mate.
If you don't like capitalism, fine. If your want to vandalize other people's shit because you don't like capitalism, good luck with that. But saying you don't like capitalism while while going out of you way to enjoy the benefits of the system makes you a hypocrite.

>>17616240
Ask ayn rand about her experience at soviet universities.

>>17616070
>they can just take the sheet off when they realise its there after a few days.
So you're making people do labor for you against their will? That's slavery anon, you're a monster.

>>17616240
They definitely are, they dominate it. Look at the Google search algorithm team, Russians. Who's on the team? people like "tourist", the best competitive programmer in the world. Who else is top of the maths-related competitive rankings? other Russians.

Rather than the "leave no one behind" way, they throw hard stuff at students and try to eliminate them.

This is so fucking closed minded jesus.
Look mate i strongly disagree with socialism, i will happily debate Any intellectual who defenda it's merits. I know the market place of ideas is, in and of itself solely a liberal idea, but it's a damn good one. Vandalism and shitting on other people's parade is pathetic. Write a book or something if you want to change minds.

>>17616249

No, it's just natural, you thick cunt.

>>17616249

Not at all. This reminds me of how, during the OCCUPY stuff back in 2012 or whenever it was, all of these smug talking heads on TV would make snide remarks about how the protestors would get coffee from starbucks.

I am forced to live in a capitalist society, so I am going to work within it.

Saying that because I eat a banana my opinion is worthless is like saying to a condemned man, as hes blubbing, "how can you be upset? You ate your last meal didn't you?" I am forced to become complicit in the system temporarily unless I have the titanic self control to live an austere ascetic life (I don't).

>>17616263
We all know you secretly want to show your support for the creation of additional banana republics.

>>17616039
Wrong.
The store, a capitilist venture would get less revenue.
They would also order less bananas as they are selling less, so the supplier, a capitilist venture would get less revenue.
I mean it's trivial a man's gotta eat. Much like in a socialist society, even if i oppose government control of the food supply i'd still legitimize it by waiting in bread lines. A man's gotta eat.

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Your wasting your time OP. Most people on 4chan think the holocaust was exaggerated yet Stalin killed a nearly a 60 million, same with Mao while some how also creating an overpopulation crisis that lead to the one child policy.

>>17616280
Mao didn't create overpopulation.
Everything else here is true.
Though this is an interesting stance to take. Most neonazi's downplay the horrors of hitler sure, but it's not everyday you see a communist do this. Most just use the snowflake arguement.

>>17616263
My point is, if you're so against capitalism, and such a brave fighter for socialism, communism, anarchism or whatever, that you're going to commit childish pranks to mess with other people's property and risk trouble with the law, that at the very least you should actually practice what you preach.

>>17616276

Possibly true if I bought a large amount of bananas on a regular basis.

But a company isn't going to rework their banana quotas based on one additional banana sold on one day - in the real world companies are not as perfectly efficient as they can be on paper.

And this next part is just an assumption, but I expect that the way the supermarket works is that they take the entire harvest from a certain amount of supplier farms, and then split the whole harvest amongst the various chain shops. I assume that to maximise their return, they accept the entire banana harvest, they don't leave any fields empty because of "lack of demand" or anything. But thats just a guess.

>>17616010
>Capitalists can suck my dick

For how much, though?

>>17616302

I can practice what I preach in a small, realistic way. I am not going to dedicate my entire life to this, which you could argue is weakwilled of me, but I do have dreams and aspirations outside of social reform I want to get on with.

Temporarily covering up adverts is pretty childish I guess, but I think it would improve the locale in a slight but non-neglible way and its not really "messing with someones property" so much as it is "messing with a corporations property", and that isn't something that troubles my moral compass.

>>17616263
>forced to live in a socialist society
Your really not though.
I get that you are trying to say you "love your country"
Buy your country is profoundly capitilist, and you have capitilism.
My granfather fled Czechoslovakia because he hated communism. He was a patriot sure. But it wasn't the country he loved anymore it was a socialist one. I'd do the same desu. Socialist revolution and im high tailing it stateside.
>>17616306
>muh one person can't make a difference fallacy.
Yeah one vote doesn't make a difference either so why Vote?
If one person does it, they can inspire more people, and more people will be empathetic to socialism seeing someone actually practise it. If a whole bunch of people don't buy bananas it starts effecting the bottomline. Boycotts happen all the time. A restaurant here got boycotted for using imported beef, they lost serious business and had to backtrack. Now they use local beef again.

I don't give a fuck about your socialism, i just hate this arguement. It's the same reason America has trump vs hillary. "voting third party would be wasting our votes!" "imagine if 51% of the population just through away their votes for gary Johnson" (i understand electoral college but still) "that'd be the same as voting for (insert canidate you hate most here)"

>>17616327

Forced is a very black and white word, and so it isn't completely appropriate, but it seemed the easiest way to get across my point.

While I technically do have the option to move countries, doing so would entail leaving my family and friends, leaving the city and country I love, abandoning my university education and putting myself into dire financial straits and presumably having to learn a new language.

And thats assuming that there is a non-capitalist country in the world that is comparable to the one I'm in right now, which there may not be (yet).

So while I'm not "forced" to live in a capitalist society, I am coerced into it with sufficient strength so that I may as well be.

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>>17616337
>yet
You mean never.
But i digress that's the pussy spirit.
That's why capitilist win. Cause they werr willing to leave their friends and families to seek our countries.
That's the fun part of college capitilism. They bitch and moan, but they have no solutions and are to comfortable in our amazing system to actually leave it.

>>17616356

>anti-capitalism = communism

Dimwit.

>>17616366
Sorry so pray tell, of which snowflake ideology do you subscribe?
>INB4 Socialism as if that changes anything i said in my post.

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>>17616374

The idea that in order to have any criticisms of modern capitalism I have to have a fully working and objectively superior ideology in mind is a ridiculous assertion.

I can see that the current system is deeply flawed even if I don't see a clear solution. I don't pretend to be some genius, I just think that you shouldn't blindly accept capitalism and close your eyes to all other options because capitalism has managed to limp onwards thus far.

Accepting the status quo and deciding that there will never be any alternative is a foolishly simplistic way to live.

>>17616382
>i don't see any solution
>but that doesn't mean we should blindly close our eyes to all other options.
This is what i mean. Empty rhetoric. You said you don't have another option, than criticize us for not looking at other options. What options? You can't criticize us for not assesing an alternative without first pitching an alternative.
I'll give you an example. I believe in most of Plato's criticisms of democracy, i believe i have every right to criticize it. And shouldn't blindly support something because it's democratic. With that said, i don't hate it, i fully support it and continue to happily oblige it because churchill was right "democracy is the worst form of government... Except for everything else that has ever been tried"
If i think of, someone puts forward a solution, a system better than democracy i will champion it, fight for it. Not with vandalism or bullshit protests or bitching and crying. But i will write on it, and throw my weight behind it. But i will not go vandalisr a voting station in 2016 say i hate democracy and say change is needed, cry out, without an actual solution.

You are basically admitting capitilism is the best by virtue of not having something better. You can't tear down a system without a solution.
Marx, no matter how wrong he was on many things, had some hard hitting critisms and an actual plan/replacement to put in place.
Criticism of capitilism is fine, there are many micro instances where you canmake a case. I believe most natural monopolies should be state enterpeises to promote efficiency. But i still support capitilism, and even in my criticism i can tell you how to do it better.
Bitching to hear the sound of your own voice is child like.

>>17616413
>Empty rhetoric... what options [do you suggest]?
I can see lots and lots of options for papering over the cracks in capitalism, I just can't see a complete and perfect replacement for it.

Examples of things I would support
>living stipend
>nationalisation of trains
>universal healthcare as a human right
>strict anti-lobbying laws to restrict the influence of corporations
>higher minimum wage
>harsher anti-monopoly regulation
etc etc

I don't have a complete solution, no. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to criticise the current system. Like I said earlier, to say that I *have* to support capitalism if I can't think of a perfect solution is like saying that doctors shouldn't practice medicine unless they can cure *every* disease. Incremental change is possible and only a conformist would think otherwise.

>You are basically admitting capitilism is the best by virtue of not having something better

Wrong. I'm saying that capitalism is dominant in the current global climate. To say that because we aren't aware of a better system means that there is no better system is a false assertion and completely unrigorous.

>>17616434
>because we aren't aware that doesn't mean there isn't a better system.
Look up what best means.
If there is no better system at the moment it is literally the best.
Sidney Crosby is the best player in hockey atm.
20 years from now he will be old and shit, nd there might be some rookie better than Crosby ever was. Doesn't make crosby not the best atm.
Anyways a better doctor analogy would be you saying you HATE Chemotherapy cause people still die and it has side effects. That's fucking stupid, if you have a cure for cancer we'd all love to see it, until then trying to block or stiffle chemotherapy treatment makes everything worse for everyone.

You have several examples of actual policy you would implement, i have issue with a lot of them, but fine that's irrelevant , you can support those do so by argueing for them, get to know and understand why people don't support these things, understand this from a real perspective not just cause "they are dumb, corrupt or evil" or some stupid shit. Understand the inevitable shortcomings and realistic problems with these policies, and then argue why they are still the better way from this perspective, via lobbying(not actually q dirty word), advocacy groups, writing your representative, run for city council, take up a career in public policy. Etc.
But that isn't a refutation or hate of "capitilism" you are just using it as a big bad wold here.
Capitilism, like any system is flawed, amd as a result, has never, and will never be implemented in it's fullest. But that doesn't make it not a good system or justify muuh teenage angst.

I want to agree with OP but you're an edgy teenage faggot. I never see ads, I have adblockers and don't watch TV or listen to radio, and when normies "sign ad jingles" or talk about "their favorite tv/superbowl ad" I want to vomit. But you're seriously a fag. There's nothing wrong with capitalism, it's consumption and materialism that are the problems. Under capitalism if people were willing to pay to see beautiful gardens or live in green apartments, we'd have beautiful gardens and green apartments. But people want a bunch of cheap fucking garbage and instant gratification and chinese made junk. So that's what we get. Capitalism is not the problem, PEOPLE are the problem. And there's no real solution other than mass genocide or joining an alien race and fleeing the earth.

Today yet again OP was a faggot. But please go vandalise some bilboards, and stop being a pansy about it. Just don't fucking get caught. God damn why did 80s kids get punk and 90s kids are stuck with effete princess-assed pussy-flake sjw fagatrons with safe spaces and a fear of getting a disorderly conduct ticket. Either grow a set of nuts or kill yourself you twitter-posting tumblr-browsing little queer. If you think socialism is so fucking great then move to venezuela.

>>17616503

>calls OP edgy
>advocates genocide

wew

Jobs are for suckas

If you arent abusing the free market to produce something/perform something that is valuable/entertaining to others, and then selling that commodity on for profit, you are literally doing it wrong

We are living in the golden age of free speech and living, with the entire world at out fingertips in the form of the internet, people's minds and thoughts and feelings able to be played like the strings on a harp with social media being as ingrained into society as it is

You can make more money than you deserve, belong to nobody and owe absolute nothing to anyone

You have to JUST
DO
IT

>>17616503
>sign

**sing
obviously

>>17616188
>>you shouldnt live in a country if you want to change limited aspects of it

>limited aspects
>its fundamental economic system at best
>human condition in entirety at worst

And yeah, if you don't like a country you can fucking move. Fuck I didn't like my old state's culture so...I fucking MOVED. That's why we have different countries and states so you can go to where is the best fit. Go move to fucking commiefornia and attend burning man or whore your ass for car repairs. Fuck off.

I hate that anticonsumption is hijacked by communist FAGGOTS like you.

>>17616503
>don't get caught.
Fuck man, back in my day where real problems existed the point of civil disobedience was TO GET CAUGHT.

>>17616508

>said the only solution was genocide or aliens
>therefore advocating genocide

Am I also then advocating alien invasion? You're pretty dumb, huh, friend-o?

>>17616511
>produce something/perform something

Oversaturated markets. Also not free markets, only those with connections get promoted.

>>17616513

Things I like about my country:
>the landscape
>the people
>the history
>the free worldclass museum
>the educational tradition

If you think that all a country is is its present ideological state you have a very 1 dimensional view of the world

>>17616524
What country?

>>17616520

>Oversaturated

And yet more people make it big with the same shit every single day despite oversaturation. Almost as if saturation isnt a factor and thats just an excuse not to try

>Only those with connections get somewhere

Thats as bad as the manlets crying "women only want tall guys thats why nobody will love me"

>>17616542

I live in the UK, and currently live in Oxford. I love how old everything is - my primary school was 500 and some years old.

>>17616549

Class mobility is a con pushed by the media. Yes, there is the occasional rags to riches story. This is almost entirely due to luck and in fact the system is set up to reduce the chances of this happening as much as possible.

When someone flukishly 'makes it' however, the media will go wild and push the feelgood story 24/7 to trick everyone else into thinking the same will happen to them. Theres some statistic where like 65% of Americans say theyre going to be millionaire at some point in life.

The people who are successful attribute it to their own personal skill or whatever to satisfy their ego, but in puritannical capitalism personal success is more luck than anything else.

>>17616557
>people who say it's luck amd don't try don't make it.
>everyone who makes it says it's skill
Gee i wonder...
That being said this problem ignores three things.
1)middle class.
It's not "rags to riches" It's, fairly well off by international standards, to slightly more well off or slightly less.
2) standard of living still increases in the long run for poor people
3) leading to the fact that LICO moves as society as a whole moves ahead.

>>17616010
Advertising is a fact of life. You either have a loan company's advert on your banana, or dear leader's face on it.

>>17616010
>Late stage capitalism

You sound like carriage operators, elevator operators, blacksmiths and just about every luddite and neo luddite to have ever existed

>>17617449

It doesnt have to be quite so obnoxious though.

I don't like capitalism all that much but op you need to understand that you are basically powerless without a movement consisting of millions of people. What you are proposing will accomplish nothing except you feeling better about yourself because you "did something"

>>17616010
if I saw that sign at work I would write on it "destroying morale is counterproductive to improving efficiency"

fuck you op. i agree with your premise of "theres too many fucking adds everywhere" but you went full retard and included things that didnt need to be included. its retards like you that crush legitimate responses to things that people actually want to deal. congratulations tard shit

>>17616070
The simple fact you are fiddling with the billboard is already a transgression of the property rights belonging to the owner of the billboard. Be glad you live in a capitalist society and not in some third world socialist shithole like Venezuela or Cuba.

>>17616039
Your whole time in college, was a total waste of time. Stop listening to bullshit. All you are doing is jumping on shitty bandwagon because you think they make a difference in society and believe your "ideals" will change the world. Grow the fuck up.

Wow, OP is in a different class to the rest of you.

Yes, it's vandalism. Glad you're willing.

The best way would be with something you could do really quick. but also could be discrete about carrying.
Nailing boards is a stupid idea.

A cycle-by paint balloon might work, but I'm not sure if paint is environmentally friendly. If you want to make a statement from it, then make the vandalism nice to look at or make some brand recognition thing, like vandalising them all in the same way

captcha: Select all imagines with a billboard!

>>17616471
I would waste my time with that guy. He literally sounds like he just got out of an sjws group chat.

>>17616557
> people who got rich in america got lucky

Comming from the faggot who has never ed experienced being rich

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>>17616146
>italian anarchists in this thread.....

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>>17616010

It seems what you actually are against is advertising, moreso than capitalism.

And advertising can be annoying, both in specific implementations of it, and just in its general omnipresence.

But advertising exists in the ways that it exists and in such a widespread manner because 1) it works, and 2) individuals and corporations alike are free to do it.

You seem to be focusing on attacking element 1), making a specific example of advertising not work, or work less, by defacing it.

But while this might briefly make you feel good, it does not accomplish anything significant toward your real desire of encountering less advertising. Also, and it is not fun to consider the rights of someone that is annoying you, but advertising is a subset of communication. A person who pays money to put their message onto a billboard is doing so to communicate with you and others, and most countries strongly value the right to communicate freely. If you then deface that billboard, it is not only an act of vandalism, but also an act of censorship.

A more meaningful approach to combat omnipresent advertising would be to work within the systems that already exist, as all public advertising is generally exists only at the permission of state and county law. Become active in your local government, or at the very least, attend their public meetings and be vocal of your annoyance with the growing omnipresence of advertising in your community. You will be fighting a difficult fight, as the money advertisers pay to put up their adds is often a significant source of income for local governments, which are often in dire needs of funds to supplement meager tax income, and which is used to buy land for public parks, operate food shelf, and a host of other things, some of which you yourself probably enjoy.

It's complicated. Things often are when you look at them closely. But when you look at an annoying ad, you're looking at the natural child of free communication and a free market.

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>>17616302
>being successful at capitalism and hating capitalism makes you a hypocrite.
I wonder who is behind this post? It must be someone who doesn't want socialist thinkers to be successful.

>>17616021
What about the small businesses that are spending large amounts of their income on the billboards?
>victimless crime
I'm pretty sure it is illegal, and will be counted as defacing somebody's property