I'm a woman who works giving yoni massages, which is basically

You are both crazy. But since sheMs bi, i would say don't do it.
Also, i have always wondered if i should get one. What exactly are they good for? I have a book about yoni massage but i have never gotten one... In my mind this would be awkward af

>>17611206
Why am I crazy?

Well like every normal massage there's the relaxation aspect of it, which I'd think is enhanced by the orgasm, but the "sexual healing" part is the most important. I get a lot of women who are married or having a bit of trouble with their sex lives and the goal is to help them get over it and better understand their bodies and let whatever's holding them go. I notice a lot of sexual repression as the common cause, I've had women who couldn't even turn wet or orgasm because it was another women touching them and it made them self-conscious.

As the masseuse I get nothing out of it though, it generally doesn't arouse me or whatever.

>>17611196
Most of the women who go to you are probably gay. Its kinda unfair to deny your friends business. I can understand not doing it for free, but your hubby is kinda ridiculous for interfering with your job.

>>17611238
>Most of the women who go to you are probably gay.
bullshit

>>17611196
it's not cheating.
I don't know who close you are to your friend, I guess it could end up damaging the friendship though.

Maybe you should get her a massage from somebody else.
Then you could find out if she's in it for the experience or because it's with you.

>>17611251
If she was doing it to a guy friend would it be considered cheating?

Fuck off with your double standards.

>>17611228

How is this any different from "massage parlors" where men get handjobs? I see nothing wrong with sex work, but I think it's kinda dishonest that you're pretending it's something different. You give orgasms for a living

I understand perfectly why your husband is upset, and I think he's probably 100% correct that this is your bisexual friend's way of having a sexual encounter with you. Because that's exactly what this is

>>17611251
She told me she wanted me because she'd feel awkward doing it with anybody else. We are good friends, I've seen her naked already.

>>17611275
Because handjobs are not a form of massage and yoni involves actual techniques and knowledge.

>>17611260
no, dipshit.

>>17611238
>Most of the women who go to you are probably gay. Its kinda unfair to deny your friends business.
The problem is not that she's gay/bi, the problem is that they are really close and her friend might have "love" feeling.
>>17611196
It's easy to understand why you bf is against this, all thought he seems very tolerant and open indeed (knowing that he have no problem with you fingering other woman). I wouldn't recommend you to do this cause
1) Your bi friend might be into you and this is really kinky way that she might get close to you. It seems good plan from her point of view, but since you don't have the same kind of feelings, it will be awkward af in long term.
2)Also your BF has problem with this you have to think about respecting hes feelings. If he feels that you don't respect him or hes opinions he WILL walk away. Since he's doing hes part and is so open indeed and respectful towards your career.

So what would i suggest is: Find another masseuse, that you know is really good at yoni massages and pay for her time. (Gift your friend yoni massages with other masseuse).
This way, your friend will get her massage and you BF will feel respected and loved by you.

>>17611302
>>17611292
>She told me she wanted me because she'd feel awkward doing it with anybody else. We are good friends, I've seen her naked already.
Well if you can't change her mind and make her accept other masseuse then maybe it's not the massage she wants but you......

it's not about who's being crazy. it doesnt matter what opinion anyone has about cheating in this thread because they arent your husband.
your husband went to you and told you straight up that he does not approve and he's considering leaving you if you do it. that should be answer enough for you, unless youre retarded and want to fight with him, or cheat on him, or you secretly want a divorce.
if you want to preserve your marriage and your friendship to this little girl then dont do it.

>>17611292

>Because handjobs are not a form of massage and yoni involves actual techniques and knowledge.

I mean, so does a handjob. It's just a much more basic technique. But those "massages" are still about sexual release, relaxation, all the things you described. Men go there for the same reason women go to you.

Do you really have a hard time understanding why your husband is upset? To you, it's about "techniques and knowledge." To your friend, it's about an orgasm.

I'm not trying to say your work is illegitimate, I'm just trying to point out that it IS sex work, and I can see why your husband would be upset if you started blurring lines between "friends" and "clients." If you can't even look at it from his perspective, I imagine this is going to cause problems for you two

>>17611344
You have no idea what yoni/lingam is about, do you?

>>17611352

It's a massage of the vagina/vulva that ends in sexual release. Come on. That's what these women are paying for. There's nothing wrong with that, but why do you have to pretend it's not what it is?

>>17611196
Isnt this illegal. Is there a place where I can get handjobs.

>>17611302
He is wanting to restrict a choice that should be mine and it makes me want to do it out of spite if anything else. He's got nothing to do with my job.

>>17611369
>He's got nothing to do with my job.
Why are you married. How would you feel if he decided to become a porn star and have sex as his job.
>but you have nothing to do with his job
Shitty argument desu

>>17611367
Massage parlor ask for happy ending.

>>17611369

You really don't understand why this upsets him? You would seriously "do it out of spite" because your HUSBAND has an opinion on the way you conduct your sex life? That's how marriage is supposed to work.

Be completely honest here: What would you think if your husband quit his job, and got into the same line of work as you? Let's say he starts taking yoni very seriously, learns the techniques, and views it in the same dispassionate/professional way that you do.

But then, suddenly, his female friends start getting "curious" and ask if he can massage them and make them cum. How would that make you feel? Really?

>>17611381
But is that not illegal. I want a professional handjob with this technique OP is talking about. Not some shady jerk off. I can do that myself.

>>17611385

Grow a vagina, then. When men seek out sex work, it's dirty and illegitimate and disgusting. OP only touches WOMEN, so it's beautiful, it's not about sex at all, it's about "spiritual healing" through vigorous stimulation of the vulva

>>17611376
>>17611376
a gay porn star at that, so it's okay because he doesn't really have any feelings towards men. A good drinking friend asks him to have intercourse with him for his birthday because he's curious.

You object, and he says 'honey, it's just part of my job. Don't tell me what I can and can't do.'

>>17611376
>>17611397
No, THAT is a shitty argument because I get no pleasure out of it, it normally doesn't cause any feelings of arousal, and I only use my hands. Porn is about way more than that and so is gay sex.

>partner says not to do something sexual with another person because it makes them uncomfortable
>WOW DUDE LIKE WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY OR SOMETHING IT'S NOT LIKE THAT OKAY SHE'S BI BUT WHAT OKAY I'VE KNOWN GET FOR YEARS SO EDGAR OKAY SHE HAS FEELINGS FOR ME SO WHAT YOUR TYING ME DOWN IT'S MY LIFE
Epic, simply epic, OP. This guy is your husband. When you got married, you agreed to set shit like this aside and live, at least in part, by his feelings. It's time to act like a grown woman.

>>17611391
Is this a sacrasitic take on the double standard.

>>17611405

What about this one?

>>17611383

What if he was doing yoni, he took it seriously like you, and his female friends started asking about "free massages?" That really wouldn't upset you?

The point is this: You take yoni seriously. It's your job. You're a professional, you're not doing it for a thrill.

Your bi friend, the one who asked about a free massage, DOES NOT SEE IT THIS WAY. She's curious. She's viewing it from an outside perspective, like everyone else in this thread. She likes you, she's looking for a sexual experience, she's heard that you're good at it.

THIS is why your husband is upset. It's one thing when the clients are not part of your social life. It's completely different when your friends, people that your husband will probably have to spend time with in social settings, start asking for "free massages."

I honestly think you're being a bit naive if you don't understand why he's upset. And I think you're being extremely callous and inconsiderate if you won't at least take his feelings seriously.

Has he ever asked you to turn down a client before? If this is the first time, can you really not just make that compromise for the sake of your marriage?

I'm curious OP, what exactly does a yoni massage usually involve, and how much do you charge for it?
I can't imagine just lying down on a massage table and have a complete stranger rub me off honestly, but I'm intrigued.

>>17611405
Its a job. Porn stars have it hard and dont really get pleasure from it. You dont think you have a say in how he does his job do you.

>>17611354
Yep, you have no idea.

>asks dor advice
>clearly only wants to hear 'You're doing great, don't worry, just fingerfuck your friend into oblivion as a gift'

>>17611417
In your scenario he is a male massaging a female, a sex he is attracted to. I am not attracted to females.

>>17611418
It depends on where you're at, I've heard some places go up to the hundreds of dollars, I'm mid-range. It's essentially a full-body massage that also focuses on stimulating the vagina. That doesn't mean it's masturbation, it's a massage, and just like any other massage it requires technique, you have to set the mood, and be able to relax your client. By the time she'd "rub you off" you'd most likely be very comfortable with it already.

>>17611418
Also, what made you decide on this job, if I can be curious? Doesn't seem like something you'd just wake up wanting to do for a living one day?
Not trying to shit on you, I'm genuinely curious.

>>17611196
Don't ask advice if only thing you want to her is that you're correct and he's wrong.

>>17611446
Well but isn't stimulating the vagina with the hand *literally* masturbation? Etymologically I mean.
Not that that's bad or anything, but the boundary between massage and masturbation in that case seems sorta fluid.

>>17611448
I've always been interested in the idea of being a masseuse but I didn't want to become a regular masseuse and spend my days rubbing hairy men, plus I've heard some horror stories about them. Also I knew I wanted to do something different and wherever there's novelty there's also money. Most of the time it's pretty chill and rewarding, the weird sessions are rare.

I'd go as far as admitting I might have gotten some weird feelings from it when I started, on some particular occasions, but that happens with everything new, it's just work for me now. Just like being a gyno or something like that.

>>17611369

Wow. I was actually on your side until reading this post.

If your husband's feelings are of so little importance to you... why are you married? Honestly? He's not your father, he's not some authority figure for you to rebel against, you CHOSE to be with him.

Marriage involves compromise. Sometimes you have to make small sacrifices for the sake of a healthy relationship. I'm sure you can think of examples when he's done this for you.

He's not asking you to quit your job, he's asking you to keep your professional life separate from your social life.

It's also very telling that, in your original post, you expressed your OWN doubts about massaging your friends. You, yourself, felt that it might make things awkward. But as soon as your husband said that he, also, feels uncomfortable about it, you're suddenly determined to do it. That is very, very telling.

This is not the way a good partner behaves, and I'm not referring at all to your line of work. It's about your total disregard for his emotions, and the fact that you seem ANGRY that he has feelings about this at all. Do you really even love him? give it some thought

>>17611465
Weird sessions how? Like someone getting too much into it or something?

>>17611196
Can I get a handjob from you. I mean for my birthday. Its basically your job and you wont get pleasure from it. I definitely will but that doesnt matter.
Btw how good are you at handjobs. Do you mind if I frequent you if you are really good.

>>17611473
Yes, exactly. And some people do confuse you for a sex worker. I've known of friends of mine that give regular massages being asked for a handy, in my case I've been asked for oral once.

As for the weird feelings, it was just in the beginning. I once got this married woman who had a LOT of pent up sexual feelings inside, and she got extremely into it, and loudly so, and it felt almost naughty. I thought about quitting after that but these occasions are rare, most clients are shyer than the masseuse.

>there are people ITT who can't tell a massage parlor from yoni/lingam

sorry, OP, you're in the wrong hood for that kind of question.

You both sound fucked to me.

You seem like a retard who just came here for validation in a choice you've already made. Just finger her already if that's what you want but don't act like a bitch when he leaves you.

>>17611196
OP can you do me ? guy btw

>>17611491
>she got extremely into it, and loudly so, and it felt almost naughty
You mean most of your clients are mouse-quiet? Wow. Like how even.

>>17611492
In a massage parlor its not about sexual stimulation. But thats what op does. A glorified finger for other women.

You yoni defenders are ridiculous, bordering on sexist. Guess its only disgusting sex work if it is the pent up sexual energy of males that are getting released.

>>17611532
You realize there's lingam massage for males as well?

>>17611532

Look up "lingam massage," it's been mentioned here several times alongside yoni

>>17611515
>>17611515
No, I hear a lot of moans, but they're mostly personal moans, like masturbation moans. Ideally the client gets so lost he almost forgets you're there. That women started talking directly at me like I was engaged in a sex act with her. At the end I felt like I had fucked her.

>>17611196
You're an asshole. You're married so your sex lives are linked. Why can't you understand that indulging someone else's crush on you is a problem?

>>17611196
I admit that I am not precisely up on the professional ethics of sex work, but I would be rather surprised to learn that doing this sort of thing for friends would be considered acceptable.

>>17611630
I see. Yeah I can imagine that would make it awkward.
I mean I'd also find masturbation moans awkward but I guess it's about how comfortable you are with the therapy or session or whatever.

>>17611546
>>17611551
>google lingam
>first five results are about pleasuring a penis
If this is the male version then yeah, that's definitely sex work.

>>17611654
The first line of the OP literally talks about how she "fingers a lot of women", what did you think it was?

>>17611654
No one said op isnt a sex worker.

>my husband lets me get paid to finger strange women, but won't let me do it to my friends
>how much money should i take from him when i destroy him in divorce court?

>>17611657
>>17611662
Read
>>17611352
>>17611354
>>17611429

>>17611669
Yes, so? As far as I can gather, this thread is all people telling OP that she's a sex worker and OP denying it.
Not sure what you're getting at.

>>17611675
Has OP ever said she was more than a glorified sex worker?

>>17611685
Yeah, she went on about how it's different from massage parlors giving handjobs for extra cash because it involves "technique and knowledge" and it's spiritual cleansing and whatnot.

>>17611685

Yes. >>17611292
>>17611352
>>17611429

>>17611690
It is different than a massage parlor giving a handjob. Its what makes her a glorified sex worker and not a prostitute.

Don't do it, your husband has reason.

>>17611710
I definitely agree. I have no problem with that, in any case.
I was >>17611418 asking about the whole process.

>>17611196
You're crazy. He's right. It's bad enough you finger other women. Personally, I would have dropped you from that alone. But it's about ten times worse when you do it knowing the other person is lesbian or bisexual and 1,000 times worse when you know this person well.

He's probably right about her trying to get with you. Lesbians and gays do that shit all the time.

I wouldn't do it and if you do, don't be suddenly surprised that he decides to send you to the curb.

OP here.

I've decided I'm gonna try to refer her to another professional, which is hard because it's short notice (two days), and if that doesn't work, I'll probably do it. The only thing this thread has done is shown total ignorance in regards to my work and made me feel justified. I'm sure my husband will accept it.

>>17611720
refer her to another professional, if that doesnt work dont do it at all, because she could simply insist on having you do it, which would confirm your husbands assumption that she wants to be with you and probably push him towards leaving you

>>17611369
Wow. You're a huge bitch and everything that's wrong with society today.

>I don't give out orgasms for a living! I give out massages that happen to use orgasms to relax so it's totally not sex work. No you guys just don't understand. I'm a professional not a hooker.
>I'm just giving an orgasm to my lesbian friend for her birthday. What's the big deal? I give out orgasms all the time.
>I'm a strong independent woman. I should be able to do whatever I want without worrying about consequences. Fuck what my husband, who I chose to marry and be with for the rest of my life, thinks. I do what I want.

You really shouldn't be allowed to reproduce until someone fixes you.

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>>17611720
l m a o

>>17611717
She gives sexual pleasure in exchange for money. She's by definition prostitute. "Sex worker" is just PC way to say prostitute. Not that there's anything wrong with it.....

>>17611735
was meant for this
>>17611710

>>17611720
OP, try to see his point of view. If he was jacking off gay men for money, would you be comfortable if a gay friend of his asked for him to do that?
It would definitely be best to just have a colleague or whatever do your friend. If it's just about the "therapy", she should be perfectly fine with that anyway.
Communicate to her too, that you are having doubts and so, understandably, does your husband.

>>17611720
LOOK PEOPLE THIS IS ANOTHER ANON WHO CANT SEE REASON BEYOND HER EGO

>>17611369
>husband tries to communicate that you'd making him uncomfortable if you fingered another bi woman
>"wtf? he can't tell me what to do! fuck him, I'm going to do it behind his back. That'll show him!!"
Jesus fuck, someone has daddy issues.

>>17611196
I would suggest you to go to psychotherapist, it seems you have issues with Self-esteem. Also you seem really rebellious towards your husband (probably to other males too), that would imply that you have "daddy issues".

OP here again, I've sent her a message on Facebook asking about the referral. That's my decision for now.

Now if anyone wants to talk about what I do or just ask general questions I'm game, I won't respond to offenses anymore.

>>17611369
This has got to be a troll. If not, you are way too immature to be married and you need to set your husband free.

>>17611792
Sorry if we "offended" you, but sometimes truth hurts. Also you have to understand that you are use to your job and pleasure/sex or what ever you call it is everyday job for you. But for most people her and out there it's unusual and weird, it's not a taboo tho. So by talking we can get our opinions bouncing and our world views enriched.

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>>17611792
I'm a guy if I learn this thing would it be beneficial for sex ?

>>17611694
The bottom two links aren't from OP, cumgurgler.

>>17611792
If you finger your friend it wont just be us throwing the insults. Cant wait til your hubby does it.

>>17611720
You know, for a second I thought this thing might be legit and we may just be ignorant so I've looked it up and read a little about it. Here are some segments:
>Some women report flashbacks into their past [during this yoni massage] – including traumatic and deeply buried situations. Or even back into past lives.
>when looking specifically at Tantric Yoni Massage, the goal is making another step towards enlightenment.
>Yoni Massage has a strong sublimation effect, which means energies are moved from the Sexual Chakra towards higher energy centers. This includes the very common effect of the receiver (often also the giver) feeling very spaced out after a session.

Now, the best part is that you can also find descriptions on how this Yoni massage is to be performed. And when it comes to the Yoni (apparently this means "holy temple" in some language and it refers to the vagina) the massage guide is pretty much the same set of instruction you'd see in a "how to sensually finger a girl" vid on youporn or whatever. Most likely you already know how to do it if you've ever tried to learn how to get a girl off.

Truth be told this massage does have some effects other than orgasm, just how any other massage have some relaxing, calming etc effects, but all this talk about spirituality and chakras and whatnot is ridiculous. For those who haven't bumped in this kind of scams (yes, they are fucking scams) it works like this: you take some practice/substance that has a small positive effect, you mysticize the shit out of it and you claim the effect is a lot higher than it should and it affects a lot more things. Gullible and ignorant fools will believe it and try it, they will experience some form of pleasure or health improvement (part of which is not actual improvement, but placebo effect) and this will only reinforce their ignorant beliefs.

tl;dr: OP is a scam artist who drinks her own kool-aid

>>17611196
OP your husband just wants a piece of the action. Perhaps you can arrange a double session for him and your bi friend

Regardless of whether or not you thin he's crazy respect his view. If you think it's okay and he doesn't you have a problem. If you're serious about him don't do it because you're planting landmines in your relationship.

>>17611720

I tried to give you legit advice and you ignored it

>>17611472

I'm willing to agree that your work is legitimate, but if you care about your marriage, your husband's feelings on the matter are important. You shouldn't do this just to throw it in his face.

I don't judge your work, I just think it's strange you're refusing to even have a dialogue with your husband about this. Healthy couples DO consult with each other about their careers/professional lives.

>>17611792
Why are women so incapable of taking advice?

>>17611875
>Woman does something stupid
>All women are stupid
Anon pls.

>>17611196
ATTN OP OP OP OP OP OP OP OP OP

nobody's feelings and values are crazy. just respect people's wishes if they're reasonable and don't hurt you at all.

I don't know how you ended up fingering people as a job, or why your friend wants to be blasted by you, but a lot of cultural norms actually exist for a reason, in this case the norm being not doing what your husband calls cheating and not fingering your platonic friend.

thanks for being reasonable

>>17611905
oh and this thread is really long, but I'm not gonna argue with anon or argue with OP. have a nice day, everybody.

>>17611196

>I usually don't massage friends just because of the awkwardness factor but we've known each other for years and I said I'd think about it
>He is wanting to restrict a choice that should be mine and it makes me want to do it out of spite if anything else

Think about this for a second, OP, seriously. You didn't even want to do it until you realized it would upset your husband.

And he never tried to "restrict your choice." He just told you how he felt about it, and warned you that he might want to leave the marriage if you're going to disregard his feelings on the matter.

It sounds like he's been generally supportive of your career. He asks you to turn down ONE client, because he has doubts about her motives. And all you want to do is spite him.

I gotta ask again, honestly: Do you love him? Why are you in this marriage if you don't care how he feels?

>>17611933
the world restricts your choices. you can lash out against this all you want, and enjoy your consequences. so many people out there are sitting in a room full of their own shit, talking about how they're independent and bold.

>do you love him?
it's probably not like first love infatuation, I can say that much. if we're talking about love as a standard, I don't know what the average amount of love people have for their partners is. I suspect it's low, at least in the US, where we're all "independent, bold, confident free thinkers!"

>>17611196
I mean it's your profession so he can't get that pissed... Just go with your intuition, it sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders.

>>17611937

Are you OP? I can't really tell what you're trying to say here

My point was that he's not trying to forbid her or block her. There are some marriages where men really can be controlling, and limit their wife's choices. This does not sound like that kind of situation at all.

He just wanted her he might leave over this, which is HIS choice. A relationship consists of two people choosing to be together every day. He's not doing anything wrong by making it clear where his boundaries are, that's just communication

>>17611948

>He just wanted her he might leave over this

"Wanted" should be "warned," sorry

>>17611948
there's not an argument in there. just take what I said at face value. it was mostly directed at OP.

any non-biased person who doesn't have some silly ideology would agree that her husband's request is reasonable and she shouldn't fuck her life up by being cocky and testing boundaries, even if her job is to finger people.

>asks for advice
>completely disregards anything she doesn't want to hear
>tries to turn the thread into a Penthouse Forum telling boring stories about yoni massages

I know you've already abandoned thread, OP. But in case you check it again - you're being extremely selfish. You're not a whore, there's nothing wrong with your career. But as a partner, you are callous, uncaring and cruel. I hope your husband DOES leave you. Not to spite you, but because nobody deserves to be treated the way you're treating him.

>>17611720
kek, enjoy your divorce

>husband threatens to leave if you do x
>"but i really wanna do x and the fact that he doesnt want me to do x makes me wanna do x even more"
>"whatever fuck you guys im gonna do x nyaaahhh"
>3 weeks later
>ANON MY HUSBAND LEFT ME WHAT THE FUCK ALL I DID WAS FINGERBANG MY FRIEND WHAT AN ASSHOLE RIGHT GUYS???

>>17611196
You both sound shitty. Him for threatening to leave you over something like that, and you for being totally unwilling to respect his feelings on the matter.

Well you're basically a whore anyway, why not give a freebee to your buddy?

Seriously though, that would feel weird for me

>>17611196
Whore.

>>17612221
>Well you're basically a whore anyway, why not give a freebee to your buddy?
>You're basically someone who does sex stuff in exchange for money
>Why not do sex stuff in exchange for no money?
Gotta get that dolla

>>17611720
>I'm sure my husband will accept it.
Kek, top b8

>>17612833

The sad thing is, he probably will. He's already accepted that his wife is a sex worker, his will can't be that strong when it comes to things like this

>>17612845
C'mon, imagine you're having a first date and you ask her what she does, and she goes "Oh, I make girls cum for a living".
Like you wouldn't be into her.

>>17611228
Unless you're a doctor capable of removing hormones entirely and making people asexual, then sorry but you're just an employee working in another shallow domain. Like jewel crafters, hate those guys. So arrogant and prideful with their shitty jewels which other shallow rich people buy.

>>17612849

Oh, without a doubt. But I wouldn't marry her.

>>17612863
That's fair enough.

>>17611275
it isn't any fucking different. both have happy endings. how is this even legal?

>>17612863
>Would date her
>would not marry her

You fucking retard. I hope you're up front about being a conservative cunt. You either like it or you don't, you can't have both and still call yourself a good person.

>>17612909
OP didn't say she was in the US (or wherever it's illegal)

>>17612911

Why not? I don't lead people on or hide my intentions. There's nothing wrong with having a casual relationship. I have a completely different set of standards for "life partner/mother of my children" than "friend/hookup/friend with benefits"

>>17611196
your husband isn't crazy, you are for considering fingering your friend, and I'm frankly surprised that your field is even legal wherever you live

>>17611369
Uh, that's part of being married though... Have you never influenced his work-related decisions?

Lemme ask you something, what kind of relationship do you have going on here?

I looked up "yoni massage". How exactly is this not prostitution?

>>17611196
>bi friend wants you to finger Fuck her
>don't understand why husband considers this cheating

Women are just the worst

>>17611196
If I was your husband in this case, I wouldn't give two shits, or even one. Assuming your friend just wants it for the experience and not to get with you or whatever, then it's fine. I can't say what is or isn't the case, since it's your friend, but that's how I see it.

>>17613355
Would you be okay with your wife giving handjobs to make clients?

>>17613404
*male

>>17613404
Assuming she harbors no sexual feelings about it and is doing it purely for the money, then yeah. Why should I care about how she chooses to make money. Long as she's loyal

>>17613430
You can't even have sex unless there are sexual feelings, i.e. attraction, horniness etc, involved.
You mean romance? That's a bitch, romance can evolve out of sexual relations as well.

>>17613430

>Long as she's loyal

For most people, giving hand jobs to strangers would not be considered "loyal"

What if she let them fuck her, too? As long as she doesn't enjoy it, you're fine with it?

>>17611196
>that's her way of getting with me.
it's pretty obvious girl. And even if not, why would you go on with it, knowing how he feels about it?

>>17613430
this b8 is of excellent quality, heres your (You)

>>17611415
is this a sarcastic take on not understanding sarcasm while lacking question marks.

>>17613461
Retard
>>17613475
Yeah, for most people. Most people are retarded. Fucking would be different, although that was never part of it to begin with.
>>17613482
Not b8 m8

>>17613461
What in the actual retarded hell are you talking about?

>>17611196
>giving yoni massages
>basically sexual healing massages
>basically, I finger a lot of women
is this a real thing?

>>17613513
How exactly can you have sex with someone who doesn't at least find you attractive? That won't even work without heaps of lube and/or drugs, and the experience itself will still at best just be a sad farce of the real thing.

Whatever, each to his own. And I'm talking about actual sex, not just a handy by the way.

women are crazy and scary

>>17613588
>How exactly can you have sex with someone who doesn't at least find you attractive?
>How exactly can you have sex with someone who doesn't at least find you attractive?
>How exactly can you have sex with someone who doesn't at least find you attractive?
>How exactly can you have sex with someone who doesn't at least find you attractive?
>How exactly can you have sex with someone who doesn't at least find you attractive?

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>>17613098
we know, anon

>>17611196
guy here. If I was the husband I'd be pretty irritated too. but then I wouldn't be involved with a sex worker in the first place so moot point.

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>>17611196
>however my husband became furious and said this is "pretty much cheating"

>>17611196
There was a therapist in Tampa got arrested yesterday for putting his hands down the pants of two women and he claims it part of the healing process. Likely many more women will begin to come forward that bought that bullshit. OP gets off on finger fucking women and calling it therapy. If she took male clients and masturbated them it is the same shit

Well, if he's that adamant, is it worth it? What if he insisted on fixing a neighbors sink, and you knew this neighbor was hot for him? Don't buy trouble when it's free.

this fucking thread guys...i cant cope with the anger within me

op, you are a real fucking retard

Weird.

In threads where guys are talking about dating prostitutes, the issue of her "cheating" on him by fucking with clients never comes up.

But in threads opened by the woman-part of that story, she's always a cheater.

Why's that?

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>>17614833
ill take bullshit for 500, Alex

How do I finger a woman? I've had sex but I feel like my finger work was lacking

>>17614833
>In threads where guys are talking about dating prostitutes, the issue of her "cheating" on him by fucking with clients never comes up.
It's generally considered self-evident, too obvious to be worth mentioning.

>But in threads opened by the woman-part of that story, she's always a cheater.
Not always. But when someone treats the idea of this being cheating as though it is somehow not intuitively obvious, it boggles the mind.

For some reason, this does seem to happen more often with women than men, as you've noticed. I suspect this is more a matter of reporting than anything else: that this astonishing degree of naivete occurs roughly equally in both sexes, but men don't talk about it as often. I don't know why that might be. But it produces the parttern you're seeing.

OP here. I didn't run, I was busy/away.

The referral didn't work, no one was available tomorrow (surprisingly, people have schedules) and also she didn't want it. I'm doing it tomorrow. I already told my husband this, and he huffed and puffed but didn't really do anything.

I doubt the thread will be alive tomorrow, but if it is, I might update on how it went, otherwise, that's it.

>>17615329
Update us please!

>>17615329
>and also she didn't want it
she wants YOUR delicate fingers gently touching them wet sweet sugarwalls, mmhmmh.

>>17611196
>and also she's bi

Don't do it, gall. It will fuck over BOTH the relationship with your husband AND your friend. She will want more potentially after that. Are you ready to deal with that.

As well, would you be fine with your husband jerking off his friends? Be honest with yourself!

>>17615329
I HOPE he leaves you. You deserve it, my dear prostitute.

>>17611338
This.

>>17615329
Well, you're a shitty wife.

I'm not being an asshole to you because I'm a bitter internet misogynist. You're just a shitty wife.

>>17615500
>>17611338

THIS.

>>17615430
>>17615500
To be honest I wouldn't have done it if everyone had been more understanding of my work, including my husband, but people pushed me into doing it pretty much. It's already awkward with her asking me if she should shave for it or not, but if nothing else I feel like this is my chance of proving I'm a professional and work is work.

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Although I hate cliffhangers, I have the feeling this one is going to be totally worth it.

>ITT: OP just want to read what she want to

>>17615504

>but people pushed me into doing it pretty much

No, It was your and only your decision. You are just trying to shift blame to feel innocent. What you are not.

You complain about people disrespecting your "work" of prostitution, but YOU are disrespecting your husbands feelings intentionally. You do not love him but see him merely as a provider.

I hope he has a prenup and a good lawyer.
Get rekt, whore.

>>17615504
If you're really the OP, man, your husband has already been plenty understanding of your work. After all, he married you. Plenty -- most -- men, probably most *people*, would not be okay with their spouse touching people's genitals and giving them orgasms for a living.

To you it may feel entirely professional and it might seem utterly insane that it could strike anybody as cheating, but that's the thing: this isn't just about you. It's about your husband too. His feelings. Taking those into consideration, *especially* when you feel like he's being an idiot, is a big part of what marriage is all about.

Because his concerns weren't unreasonable. He didn't say: "I've suddenly decided I'm no longer comfortable with this career; pick it, or me." He said, essentially: "I don't see this as a typical client situation, because I think she has feelings for you. I don't think you two are on the same page here; to you, it's a massage, to her, it's sex." To which your considerate response was, essentially, "You're wrong, shut up."

I've been with my fiancee for most of my adult life, I'm madly in love with her, but god damn if she isn't stubborn about the dumbest shit sometimes. I don't automatically give into her on everything, but I would never, ever treat her as dismissively as you treated your husband.

So I say again: you're a shitty wife.

>>17615504
>people pushed me into doing it pretty much
The fuck is this cunt on about?

>>17615636
I'm not usually one to yell "BAIT, YOU MORONS" at a thread, but in this case I'm kinda questioning whether this is real.

>>17615504

SOME people in this thread were judgmental about your line of work. Others were really trying to give the advice you're asking for.

Your friend IS taking advantage of you. She DOES view this as a hookup, not a professional massage. It was not unreasonable for your husband to express discomfort about this.

Interestingly enough - so did you. Until your husband "challenged" you. In your first post, you said that you usually have a policy against taking friends as clients. That only changed when it became clear how much you could hurt your husband by doing this.

I'm gonna ask a question one more time, that you've dodged for this entire thread: Do you actually love your husband? Why don't you care about his feelings?

You're in this marriage by choice. Why?

>>17615636

Just another stupid, stubborn, self-destructive bitch. She'll realize she made a mistake after it's much too late, after she's tried to blame every single person OTHER than herself for her own choices

>>17615670
>In your first post, you said that you usually have a policy against taking friends as clients. That only changed when it became clear how much you could hurt your husband by doing this.
This. You have some insanely stupid destructive behaviours OP. It's clear as day that you have daddy issues. Now if you go through with it, your husband instantly knows he can't trust you. Why would you even come to this board if you're not willing to consider anyone's advice?

>>17612057
This, a thousand times this.

Does i take alot to learn basic massage? Seems like a good skill to have.

>>17615872

Not OP, but there are classes you can take anywhere. My wife and I took couple's massage classes, and holy shit, after a long day, a quality back rub is almost as good as a blowjob

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>>17611196
You crazy piece of shit. You want to fingerbang your bi friend? Fucking degenerate. Why didn't you think of at least referring her somewhere else? Or are you curious about your bi friend? We can detect the bullshit all over your post you whore.

>mfw OP's husband is fucking retarded and could potentially work out a threesome if he played his cards right

Jesus, how did no one in this thread even mention this? You're all beta cucks.

>>17615669
Yeah, either this was bait all along or OP quit halfway through the thread because she didn't get the validation she wanted and some troll picked it up for top b8

>>17611196
>my bisexual friend wants me to personally finger her
>my boyfriend is against this
>lol he's so crazy amirite

You're either a fucking idiot or I'm being trolled

>>17611938
Is this bait? If it's not: What in the hell is wrong with you people?

i think your husband needs to chill
like what if one of your friends scheduled an appt and you didn't know it till they came to the appt? do you need to cancel last second or "cheat" then?
also how much do you get paid and how did you get into this field of work?

>>17615896
>You're all beta cucks.

Do you know where you are?

>>17615670
I love him and I care about his feelings, but I care about my right to be independent and my professional integrity more.

Also if because of posts like this and this >>17615885 I think or feel anything sexual tomorrow I know it won't be because of her or me but my husband and you people, that make this situation into some kind of fetish it's not.

>>17616151
I briefly explained it earlier, but about this specific line of work, I just wanted something that was easy and rewarding. I have a lot of repeat clients, sessions are calm and the money's considerable.

>>17616510

>sexual healing massage with a friend who is openly bi and has feeling for me, it's toooootally normal to finger your friends
>husband is furious because this is clearly bait to get this to be more than a one-time thing and he knows it
>Why are you guys so mad? I don't understand

Oh OP, your attempts to be sly through feigning innocence are so cute.

>>17616510
If you're the original OP and you're not trolling, you're sure doing a great job of ignoring the dozens of excellent points people have made explaining how you're in the wrong.

>>17616555
Trips don't lie.

>>17611196
So your boyfriend is basically OK that you're a whore, but draws the line at doing your friend?

Seems pretty arbitrary to me too.

>>17616555
I'm the original OP, I can prove it.

I read nearly all of the posts, I do understand why it's an issue for him and how he feels about it, but at the same time, I don't think he understands his "issue" is silly for me because it's my job and understanding has to be mutual. I was worried about feeling awkward doing it, but now I feel like trying him to see what his reaction is. I told her he was mad about it and wasn't speaking to me properly and she said if he loved me for real he'd get over it. That's also true.

You can't use your working place for personal business/not getting paid though, and he's obviously mad at it, so it's gonna be done at her house tomorrow, which made him even madder, but made me gladder. I'll take it as a test of what kind of person he is.

>>17611206
How's the husband being crazy here?

Are you crazy for not wanting your wife to give a close male friend of hers a handjob and wanting a divorce if she still did it after you told her not to?

>lol its just a business handjob with a close personal friend who cares lol, totally just business so not cheating at all
fuck off

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>>17616583
> which made him even madder, but made me gladder.
Jesus Christ, you are a genuine piece of shit. Please never have kids.

>>17616583
> because it's my job
yea, it's your job to perform intimately sexual acts on people. you're retarded beyond all fucking belief if you think it being your job totally negates that component of it, especially when it's with a close friend of yours.

your husband is already secure enough with you to literally finger pop random women for your job, and you have the fucking gall to whine when it draws the line with a gay friend who obviously wants to fuck you?

>which made him even madder, but made me gladder. I'll take it as a test of what kind of person he is.
god, you are disgusting, worthless, evil cunt.

>>17616583
Your bf sounds like he isn't feminist enough. Explain to him that he is being misogynist and patriarchal, that his attitudes are old-fashioned. It's 2016! A woman should be able to rub whomever's vulva to orgasm for money that she wants!

>lol ill cheat on my husband
>as a test
fyi divorcing your actual literal whore ass means he passes the test

No cock, no cuck mates. There's nothing wrong with this even if she were into it.

you're a whore, what the fuck is he mad about now

>>17616606
suuuuuuure keep whining you disgusting freak

>>17616583
Man OP, I was on your side for awhile but jesus.

You say you understand his issue, but still just want him to shut up and deal with it?

He is being a bit silly, but he is right about this encounter being more than a massage for your friend. There is emotion and such there. She probably just wants to get with you.

The real test is if you are willing to step all over his feelings just because it makes you upset he has them. Since the answer is yes, you are a sad person.

You are both crazy. Him for drawing such an arbitrary line, and you for wanting to cross it just to "test him" to see how far you can push his emotions before he leave you.

You, however, cross the line into indefensible by wanting to do something for the express purposes of hurting him to test him.

Not doing the massage or getting someone else to do it hurts no one. Going through with it hurts your husband. Why the fuck would you want that when there is no consequence to not?

>>17616583
Reread your own post and honestly tell me that you think you're being a good partner here. Honestly tell me that you feel you're treating your husband appropriately.

Fuck it, why hedge? I'll just point a couple of things out for you.

>now I feel like trying him to see what his reaction is
This is exceptionally petty and immature, the kind of behavior you should have outgrown sometime in your early twenties.
>she said if he loved me for real he'd get over it. That's also true.
Both partners in any relationship have the right to set boundaries and if those boundaries aren't respected then they have the right to leave. You cannot treat your partner badly and expect that "if he loves me for real he'll get over it."
>which made him even madder, but made me gladder
This, again, is immature, and extremely spiteful to boot.

Your responses have been shortsighted, self-serving, and unempathetic. You do not have the high ground here.

This is all, of course, assuming that you're for real.

>>17616606
The thing is I do not believe she wants to fuck me though. We have been friends for years and like I said, I've seen her naked and vice-versa, she sat in the shower and talked to me while I showered, we have gone to changing rooms together, and she's never made a move or acted flirty towards me. This assumption is purely based on the fact that she's bi, and my husband is paranoid because I told him she has a prefference for women, which also doesn't mean anything.

There's no basis for this argument.

>>17616664
Fine, if she doesn't want to fuck then she won't even feel that rejected if you don't do it. You have even less obligation to do this.

It doesn't change the fact this one massage is more important to him. You are still going to step on his emotions over something that you admittedly consider no big deal.

If it's not important to you or her, why is it worth hurting him? Why isn't he allowed to have boundaries? I'm sure you do. All couples do. Why aren't his feelings valid enough for you?

>>17616664
It does not matter what you believe or whether or not you're right. Get that through your head. It does not matter whether your husband is being completely rational right now.

What matters is how your husband feels.

If your partner pulls shit like that all the time, is constantly vetoing shit you want to do, then yeah, they're being a controlling partner and you have the right to put your foot down. That's not what's going on here. This is just one single thing that he feels skeevy about. Sometimes privately rolling your eyes when you feel your partner is being a little unreasonable and then GIVING IN -- that's part of being married.

You get occasional veto power. Exercise it occasionally, and respect it when your partner exercises it, provided they do the same.

Listen to me or don't, no skin off my nose, but I can promise you that you won't be married in ten years with your current attitude -- whether or not this is the straw that breaks the camel's back.

>>17616725
Quick amendment: this is just one thing that he feels skeevy about, when he's already shown more trust and leniency than most people would in not objecting to your chosen career.

>>17616510
Look OP,

You keep saying you love your husband yet you show ABSOLUTELY no respect for his wishes and feelings. You say you care more about being independent and "making your own decisions" more than your husbands feelings. Why lie? You know your heart isn't in the relationship. You made it very cleclear rewar by saying you wanted to do it out of "spite". Really? You really think thats a healthy thought process? As many others in this thread have already stated, you NEVER came here for advice, You only did it for validation. IF YOU ARE SUCH A PROFESSIONAL HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY MAKING SUCH AN UNPROFESSIONAL DECISION? You are fully aware of what your friend is doing. your friend doesn't want a massage and you know it. IF YOU GO AHEAD YOU ARE PROVING JUST HOW UNPROFESSIONAL YOU AND YOUR CAREER ACTUALLY IS. Im certain every other PROFESSIONAL in your field would say something like "don't shit where you eat" or "don't mix personal and business" you know this is more than a massage to her yet you are doing so to upset your life partner? THIS IS UNPROFESSIONAL. Your husband is NOT CRAZY, you are for even considering it. And what makes it worse is the fact that many people spent time(myself included) to offer good advice and you turn it down and say you are going to do your friend because this thread didn't respect your career? Get off your high horse and think like a rational human being for once. Your immaturity really shows in this thread. You're incapable of understanding reason. You wouldn't of come here if you thought what your friend was asking was acceptable. It never had anything to do with your husband. Could you imagine what he would feel if he read this thread and acknowledged just how little you value his opinion.

Continued..

>>17616795
/thread

>>17616795
I had more but i accidentally deleted it. No real point retyping anyway. OP is just gonna side with her selfish unjust reasons. Just wish your parnter knew that your "love" for him is a lie. I hope you and your husband break up for good. He doesn't deserve a self entitled piece of garbage like you. Maybe its time for him to take out the trash for real.

idk which is funnier, the whore or the cu.ck

>>17613355
>Assuming your friend just wants you to suck him off for the experience and not to get with you or whatever, then it's fine.
Do you realize now how retarded you sound?