Messed up first sex

Throw yourself into the dust and apologize thousandfold. And promise to be more tender and careful the next time.

>taking hints from porn
goddamn...

Holy shit, you're a retard. This is why animefags should never touch a girl, you've been poisoned from years of it.

did this really happen?

please be honest with me OP

>>17597591
Sounds like you really hurt her. A lot. Imagine a girl really hurting you in bed? I would say she was holding back just for you for as long as she could despite the pain. Would put off anyone.

Apologize profously, sit down and talk to her but be sure to express clearly how upset and regretful you are for hurting her.

you hit her cervix, obviously.
contrary to memes on here and anime it FUCKING HURTS.
when women get birth control implants in the uterus, they usually need a sedative and local anesthetic injected into the cervix for a doctor to slip a tiny matchstick sized needle through the cervix into the womb. (interuterine device)

no wonder she doesn't want to fuck you anymore. she should've told you to stop as soon as it hurt, but the blame is 90% your fault for thinking women are like hentai. apologize as best you can....don't know what else to say

>>17597591
>I asked her about it and she said she didnt want to stop me on my first time.
its just as much her fault as yours honestly, yeah you fucked up but you're not a mind reader

>>17597675
Imagine if a girl started nibbling on your dick and then chomping it
Who's more at fault, the guy for not stopping her at nibbling, or the girl for sinking her teeth into him?

>>17597591
>lose since of reasoning and keep using trial and error to figure out how to pound her as hard as possible
>hitting weird wall with the head of my penis
>Reason completely gone and think sex is like my hentai
>suddenly think if I pound hard enough I can enter her womb like my hentai
>grab edge of bed and literally using every muscle in my body for force my way in
Jesus Christ, that fucking makes me cringe and it's not even being done to me. I had this happen once, just one good hit, and it made me nearly pass out. I ended up curling into the fetal position and crying myself to sleep. Hurt for a while, feels worse than actually giving childbirth.

I get that you understand now that hentai isn't real and this isn't something you should be doing. But god damn, I'd be terrified to have sex with you too. She probably doesn't understand your reasoning and thinks it hurt just because you're big.

>>17597675
Cant say that from my view and I am a guy. She obviously cared about hom enough to want him to enjoy it. It was dumb on her cause she ended up hurt but also shows how much, least from her view, how important a guys first time is meant to be. I feel sympathy for her far more than the guy who was stupid pantsonhead level to follow porn as a form of guide to sex.

>>17597678
now imagine the guy allowed her to continue chomping down on his dick because he "didn't want to stop her on her first time"

>>17597683
in OP, the girl tolerated it briefly (like nibbling) and then told him to stop (when chomping). she didn't fucking lay there, take it, then cry about it later

>>17597683
Not quite the same. More like let the girl ride him despite being at a really bad angle and hurting him.

>>17597669
Yes it did. Is it somewhat unbelievable?
>>17597674
Yes Im aware now. Its why thats the OP pic.

>>17597690
I'm afraid there's really only one way to have a remote chance of fixing this, and that's by admitting to here you did it because you got the idea of pounding like an idiot from your hentai-shit/porn.

cause right now, as said by >>17597680 ("I'd be terrified to have sex with you too") she's probably scared as fuck of you.

>>17597695
this tbqhwyf

Otherwise , she'll think this is how you'll always fuck her.

>>17597690
Do as >>17597695 said except only say porn (not hentai) and say you thought it would be the best way to please her. That way at least she knows despite the terrible experience, it wasnt your intention to hurt her.

>>17597678
Well heres the thing. She kinda liked it when I hit her stomach at first. But she said it just got out of hand before she had a chance to understand the situation. Which I can understand because I also lost myself. Its definitely not her fault. If I was paying attention I could have looked at her face but I was in a different world where all I wanted was too keep going.
As far as sex is like porn thing. You guys are rationalizing it way too far. I wasnt thinking or taking tips from porn like a guide. I didnt really understand what I was doing, and I was definitely way too fascinated with pounding her so hard. I just didnt think I could have hurt her with sex. I would have probably made the same mistake no matter what. Hentai just made it so that I didnt question my actions, but I wasnt really in a state to do that anyways.

>>17597707
He didn't hammer her cervix to please her, he got carried away. Being dishonest won't help

holy fuck lmao i thought virgins were supposed to be sensitive and gentle

i seriously want to know what you were thinking.

>>17597708
>She kinda liked it when I hit her stomach at first.
It didn't hit her stomach, it just hit the first wall. It can sometimes be enjoyable with light rubbing/grinding. But generally, when you hit or pierce the cervix, it's like someone is twisting a knife in your uterus.

>>17597695
I didnt get the idea of pounding her like an idiot from hentai. I got the idea of how anatomy works from hentai. Which is stupid but its not like I had any other reference or cared to look into the female anatomy. The pounding her was definitely completely my fault. Honestly Ive never even seen someone pound as hard as I was in porn. I would be annoyed that guys with large dicks were barely moving and using like a 3rd of their dick. I guess I understand why now. If anything Id say that would be the primary reason. Like my idea of sex was pounding as hard as possible. I dont really know where I got that from. Its just how I thought sex should be. Would have definitely helped if I knew what I hitting at the time.
Honestly think of it from my perspective. Why would I have any reason to believe that I couldnt put all of my dick in her. Its still weird to me that I cant. Like I definitely know it now, but its a little disappointing.

>>17597717
Good point, though my rationale was guys in the heat of the moment would, while mostly for them to feel good, is also for the girl to, not for him to lie.

If I was getting crazy into sex and had the drive to go in as hard as possible, solely off primal instinct, a small part of me would be assuming it would please the girl too.

>>17597727
As a virgin talking, I too am surprised to hear from here that with some girls you cant go fully in.

>>17597723
Im using her words. When talked about it I asked if she was okay she got really shy about talking about it.
But essentially, she really enjoyed that I filled her up. And was really turned on by it. But like Ive been saying, I just went way too far. I actually thinks she likes a bit of pain. Now that I think about it she gets turned on from stuff like playful biting. We havent been having sex but I guess you could say weve done a lot of foreplay to replace it.
When she finally admitted she stopped me because she was in pain and I started apologizing like crazy, she stopped me again and said its not a bad thing that I can reach her stomach. I dont know. Its weird. Shes never mentioned the size of my dick and Ive never measured it before then, so I actually thought I was about 5 inches. And they say women are bad a gauging size lol.

>>17597591
how old is she, OP ?

>>17597731
>a small part of me would be assuming it would please the girl too.
Of course I thought shed enjoy it.
>Harder
>Faster
How was I supposed to know there was a limit.

>>17597741
She's in 8th grade.

>>17597741
23.

>>17597747
Whats her body type? Petit? Average? If she is like 5'4 it would probably be best to take things gentler in bed out of necessity.

>>17597734
Im still not sure exactly how this works. From what Ive been reading vaginal length varies far less than penis length. About the average vaginal length is longer that the average penis length. Like for guys they are between 5 and 6 and girl are around 6 and 7.
Ive been reading that positioning helps. But we were in the missionary position which is like the best suited one for this so that doesnt really help.
>>17597721
>this is fun
>I wonder if I can go faster
>I wonder if I can go harder
>I wonder if I can go deeper
On repeat. I didnt know I could hurt a girl with sex.

>>17597754
She's 5'9. Shes skinny. Like not a twig. Its hard to say. Shes proportional and probably ways around 140lb maybe. Could be less. I dont ask for womens weights I just just comparing it to how heavy she feels im comparison to other women Ive carried. Shes definitely on the lighter side, for her height.

You never had SexEd or talked about this before?

Haven't you talked about her feeling good while having sex?

>>17597798
Sex ed doesnt teach you this. It all about avoiding dangers and stuff. Nothing about having sex when a penis is longer than a vagina.
>Haven't you talked about her feeling good while having sex?
Why would I talk about what she likes in sex with her before we are sexually active.

I've got a much longer than average dick, but unfortunately it is only a little thicker than average. Bottoming out happens in most positions and in some it is REALLY fucking painful for the girl. In others there is a technique to it where you kind of ride a fine line between it feeling really good, but where it could suddenly really hurt and if you can maintain that sweet spot you can produce some great orgasms as she relaxes into it and trusts you that it isn't going to be suddenly hideous stabbing pains.

None of that works with 'pounding as hard as possible and trying to push it into her womb while she says stop and you ignore her' however.

If in doubt with a longer penis sit back on your haunches a little with her laying in front of you, bring her legs and thighs up and together and sort of scoot in and rest those and part of her ass on the tops of your thighs. Rabbit fuck her with short and shallow strokes while rubbing her ass and thighs, give them the occasional slap. Where her ass rests against your thighs will be the maximum depth of penetration you can reach in that position so you can zero that in and then just go to town. Also it is super easy to maintain a rapid 'pounding' if that is what you are into because you are recovering the movement energy from her bounce and you aren't supporting your upper body weight and you just have to kind of piston your hips and let your hamstrings, glutes and thighs share the work.

>>17597825
>while she says stop and you ignore her
where did you get this

>>17597823
I said "while having sex", not before.

You are allowed to talk.

>>17597868
>talking while having sex
Sounds weird desu.
>Did you remember to buy those movie tickets
>What about a new gallon of milk

as usual little shitters give worthless advice

you hurt her pussy, thats bad because it hurt her too much and good because you performed well above her expectations

heres what you do, be gentle and kind, a little smug about it
kissing touching cuddling (no you wont want sex, officially, you just comfort her)
it will tease her to no end and youll get to have sex again
be a bit more gentle next time, no you dont have to ask every trust if it hurts, vaginas are designed to take a pounding, pound her, just not too hard

>>17597878
you're a lost cause, man.

>>17597938
okay
>>17597923
Thats what we usually do. She just isnt as responsive to it. Guess Ill just keep at it and hope things return to normal.

>>17597878
Telling each other what to do is perfectly normal.
>Not that fast
>Harder
>Use your mouth
>Turn over
etc.

>>17597591
Sucks that your girl doesn't like cervical orgasms, OP. I love when my husband makes me feel like I am going to break. I married him because of the cervical orgasms, probably.

>>17597965
>cervical orgasms
which foot was he using to give you that ? left or right ?

>>17597964
Cool. All things she could have said but didnt. Are you going to blame her now?

>>17597998
This is my second post in the thread, the first being the one you replied to. Way to jump to silly conclusions. Speech is still sparingly used during sex. That's all.

two virgins having a go.

you could leave her alone but you want your dick hard and it's painfully obvious.
no shit she doesn't care you faggot.

>>17598003
Did you read the OP?

>>17598013
No.

>>17597591
"Messed up" is a good term. Nobody is good in bed their first time, but this takes the cake.

Still, you stopped when she said no, and you seem to want to learn from your mistake. This is something. Like the dog said, sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something.

Your next big lesson is this: PAY ATTENTION. You did not "lose" all sense of reasoning: you abandoned it, and you did not have to. Paying attention to your partner is something on the order of 90% of being good in bed. Do this, and most of the rest will come naturally.

>>17598002
Yes, she spoke when she asked me to stop. I dont see your point.

>>17597591
You fool, that's your punishment for not becoming a wizard!

>>17598069
Im 21. My gf is really hot and shes super attracted to me. Surprised I said no for a year. I told myself that I wouldnt even consider having sex until I was twenty when I first entered college. Im surprised I made it this long.

>>17598056
>You did not "lose" all sense of reasoning: you abandoned it,
I dont think you understood how I felt. Id never given in to my lust before. Literally felt like I was in a haze. Was pretty great, until the part about hurting her.

>>17598074
Humans are by default bound to see sexual interaction as their highest luck. You just gave in to your animal desires by using your emotions as justfication. You're not better than a pig, that can't even understand the emotional pain of others.

>>17598104
wtf is this lol. I held off from being seduced every night for a year. I dont really have any complaints.

>>17598129
Think you got all the advice you will anon. Apologize and talk to her and show you are sincere. Thats the gist really.

>>17598133
Well the only thing I have to go off of is keep doing what Ive been doing. Weve talked and I apologized a lot to the point of upsetting her. But she still seems hesitant. Guess itll just go away though.

>>17598085
doesn't matter what you called it, you totally forgot about the second person in bed and used her as a living fleshlight.

you raped her cervix. be ready to pay the price for the therapy

>>17598211
Thats one hell of an assumption. Definitely not true either. But I dont care to argue about that.

>>17598141
Ok maybe your window to properly apologize is sorted. I would suggest trying to reform your relationship. Go out, cuddle and treat her well. Like, if I had sex and my dong shot crying levels of pain due to the girl, you bet thats gonna be a turn off.

Work on your relationship and hopefully she will bring it up on her terms or you will find an opportunity to talk again without accidentally upsetting her. Good luck dude.

>>17597591
>So I read about what was going on and Im an idiot. But the main issue is that she doesnt want to have sex again. Like I never measured my dick until after this but I above average. Longer than like 99% of vaginas apparently. I really wish I had known that I shouldnt be ramming her like that before hand.
Where the fuck are you? No, seriously. Where do people like you live? Like, have you NEVER seen sex? I constantly see this shit on /adv/, threads centered around "How do I get better at/even have sex?" Have you been under a fucking rock? I always thought cheating was a really bad thing to do but now I see why people do it after dating retards like you.

>>17598239
>Like, have you NEVER seen sex
Yes, porn helped me so much. My favorite part is where they go into detail and take a break from sex to talk about the length of a womans vagina.

>>17598253
he's probably some black guy. /pol said their average IQ is 68, don't be so harsh.

>>17598085
>I dont think you understood how I felt.
That is unlikely.

>>17598273
Sounds like it.

I wonder if that's what rape feels like.
Anon, did you even think about her feelings right now? I mean, she spent A WHOLE FUCKING YEAR to get you, that's too much. She should be extremely into you, dreaming about your fist time together, about cuddling in bed and a beautiful morning after. And now it's all gone, I bet she wants that year of her life back.
Yes, you were incompetent. But that's not an excuse. If you are really sorry you should be there for her, not here.

Also, a short story about my experience with virgin guy: He came to my place and we were ready to do it when he said he has no condoms. I refused to have sex. He did it twice.

>>17598360
Did what twice?

>>17598389
anal sex

>>17598389
>He came to my place and we were ready to do it when he said he has no condoms.

>>17598360
>her first time after not having sex for a year
>his first time in his life
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>17598058
Can you not follow a simple fucking dialogue? Literally one exchange.
>Talking during sex is weird
>No it's not. Here are some examples.
???

>>17598424
But you didnt give any examples. You gave buzzwords. Not a conversation

>>17597708
How can someone be this fucking stupid. You didn't think it'd hurt her? Do you even realize how painful sex is for must females even with lube? A lot of females take years to decades to even be able to enjoy sex. What pisses me off is that you didn't once do this with any care in the world but getting yourself off. You guys are dating and her well being should have been important but all you cared about was using her like some sex toy and completely disregarding anything from her. You are a total tool.

>>17598427
Who said anything about full conversations? Here's the extent of it:
>Does it feel good?
>Yeah
And if they hesitate or say no, it indicates that something's wrong. 10:1 it was on her face, but you didn't pay attention to it. These are things that enter your mind when you're having sex for your partner and the partnership, rather than just for yourself.

>>17597965
Bait

>>17598433
>You didn't think it'd hurt her?
Why would I. Literally no reason to before now.
>Do you even realize how painful sex is for must females even with lube?
Of course not. Why would a virgin go around reading about stuff like that.
>A lot of females take years to decades to even be able to enjoy sex.
Just gonna say this sounds like bs.
>her well being should have been important
Youre right. Except you arent because I had no idea that you could hurt a girl through sex.
Your level of projection is kinda funny.

>>17598444
>statement and reply
thats a conversation. Also thats cringy as fuck.

>>17598129
Op is literally that rapists who doesn't get that girls don't like being raped

>>17598399
he forgot them the second time too?
that's advanced stupid.

>>17598450
get a fleshlight and leave that poor woman alone.

>Except you arent because I had no idea that you could hurt a girl through sex.

you're sounding more and more like a psycho.

>>17598459
okay

>>17598455
Ignoring the semantics of talk vs. conversation...
>cringe
I'm not the one with the girlfriend who doesn't come back for more. I'm not the one who hurts people when I have sex with them.

After a year of her(!) trying you to get to sleep with here, you never EVER had a conversation about what she liked, if it maybe hurt etc.?
Not even once?

And then you go into rape-mode, just to further add insult to injury by not caring about her wellbeing and feelings, no, it was shitty for you, boohoo, not even had an orgasm, whaa hwaa.
GTFO.

>>17598466
Honestly, Id rather have not had sex then say something that cringeworthy.

>>17598450
You are dumb as bricks if you actually couldn't tell that the movements for sex have the potential to cause pain. I'm close to actually blaming hentai.

>>17597591
>longer than 99% of vaginas

Most dicks are. The real question is how much she likes being stretched not if she is or not.

>>17598450
Yes because you obviously understand how the body Works. Pro tip. I have a vagina and it'd basic female knowledge that most of us don't enjoy sex or even orgasm until much older you obviously go on 4chan and or /adv/ so your "omg I had no idea that being plowed over and over again couldn't possibly ever hurt someone!!" becauseif that was the case people would have sex straight for days. You are playing ignorant when we all know you aren't. You were selfish and everyone knows sex is a two part deal. Not to mention I'm sure you've heard someone complain once in your life time about x being bad in bed x can't get me off x doesn't feel good. This thread is either huge bait or you've lived in a basement your entire life with no computer until recently. When people in anime are crying saying it hurts as they are having sex do you seriously go "mm she loves that pain." women cry from a strong orgasm or from literally it hurting.

>>17598469
>suddenly think if I pound hard enough I can enter her womb like my hentai
>grab edge of bed and literally using every muscle in my body for force my way in
Why would I care if the guy who said this thinks I'm cringey?

>>17598480
Youre free to not care.
>>17598477
Well not according to what Ive read. Vaginal lengths after tenting are about an inch or two longer than penises.
>>17598474
>You are dumb as bricks if you actually couldn't tell that the movements for sex have the potential to cause pain
The movements would have been fine if there wasnt an end to the tunnel I didnt know about. You are a little too irrational right now so I dont really see why Im addressing you.

>>17598478
>I have a vagina and it'd basic female knowledge that most of us don't enjoy sex or even orgasm until much older
That actually sucks for you. Ive made my gf orgasm many times. Not that hard desu.

>>17598497
I never said I don't enjoy sex. Many females physically can't for awhile. It's super common and your lady doctor will talk to you about it if asked. I think as we get older our drive to have babies is higher so we enjoy sex more.

>>17598492
OP why are you still here? I dont mean this in a bad way but surely you got all the advice you are going to get.

>>17598500
Haven't you noticed he's argued with everyone who has posted here.

>>17598499
Not PP but can't be that bad. Teenagers wouldnt be so eager to do it nor be so widespread sexually if half the population couldnt enjoy it till later. I have no doubt many women may suffer from lack of sexual satisfaction but surely its not "common".

>>17598507
I can assure you teenagers aren't having orgasms. Most of my friends and I had sex because we were horn not because it felt good. It took at least three years for me and my friends for it to start feeling good. Hormones are strong my friend.

>>17598507
I can't explain it but I feels like you are being rubbed raw and stretched during sex. Even with lube. That's why girls make such a big deal about foreplay otherwise it's harder for them to enjoy sex.

>>17598500
Have nothing to do for an hour and a half so Im watching a movie while this thread is up.

>>17598505
I find unreasonable hostility funny. I dont consider that a personality flaw so I indulge in it.

>>17598521
>I hurt the girl what do
>watches the movie
Nothing to do here.

PS I feel sorry for that girl

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>2~3 minutes in lose focus and start pounding her as hard as possible
>lose since of reasoning and keep using trial and error to figure out how to pound her as hard as possible
>suddenly think if I pound hard enough I can enter her womb like my hentai
>grab edge of bed and literally using every muscle in my body for force my way in


>But the main issue is that she doesnt want to have sex again.
>Like for the past year shes been trying to get me to have sex with her everyday, but now she doesnt want to.
>I didnt even orgasm.

Holy shit, I'm laughing tears right now. Wow. 10/10.

I got nothing to add that others haven't said already.

Jesus.

>>17598550
Yeah I figured the levels of autism were pretty funny. Why I went in such detail about it.

>>17598563
yeah, hurting the woman you had sex with for the first time ever by going into rape-berserk-mode is funny. haha.

>>17598572
Told you, he's a tool or this is bait.

>>17598572
If you cant appreciate your mistakes why even bother.

>>17598587
We do foreplay for hours. Sex wasnt a planned event. It happened after a long session of foreplay.

>>17598591
I assume you were hard during foreplay, but she never said "sheesh, that looks huge, better be careful"?

>>17598591
Ohh...well I hope you can both have sex after her vagina heals, and try looking up sex positions that might help both of you.

>>17598605
you think she's going to let him anywhere near her crotch again after this experience?

>>17598572
>DON'T LAUGH AT THIS THING I DON'T FIND FUNNY
>STOP LAUGHING NOW
Good luck with that bud.

>>17598608
Yes if he apologises, they reconcile and he tries different positions that helps and pleasures both of them.

Mmhhmm OP is making me horny.

Anyone got some rough sex video links?

>>17598598
Shes never mentioned the size of my dick once. Which didnt help that I thought I was about 5 inches.
I mean if I knew I was larger I could have interpreted some of the things shes done as a sign that she thought I was big.
Like she would look at my dick and say "how are you a virgin". But I never thought anything about it. Only thing shes said about my dick was that it was nice only offhandedly.

This lack of communication in most relationships nowadays depresses me.
You don't even have to communicate verbally, you have to feel it with your cognitive skills and understand what's going on. That's what separates us intelligent normies from the robotic autists.

What's the point of even being with someone if you guys have not only nothing in common, but are goddamn incapable of reading each other without words.

Is having a "Fred & George" twin relationship really that damn hard nowadays?

>>17598605
We were in the missionary position which is supposed to be one of the best ones. And its also her favorite. Common suggestions were things like having her on top, which ill suggest next time we talk about it. Know any variations on missionary.

>>17598652
>Shes never mentioned the size of my dick once. Which didnt help that I thought I was about 5 inches.
and you never measured?

>Like she would look at my dick and say "how are you a virgin".
wat

>Only thing shes said about my dick was that it was nice only offhandedly.
you guys got a severe communication-issue.

>>17598662
Understanding each other requires situational awareness.

>>17598677
>and you never measured?
No. I had compared it to my hand a few times, but that was really clunky and how I got the wrong idea about my size. I had no need to measure my dick because I never planned on getting laid any time soon.
And its not just her. No girl has actually mentioned the size of my dick. Though to be fair shes the only one whos seen it multiple times. There are like 3 other girls Ive fooled around with in HS but only one saw me completely naked and it didnt help that they were upset because I turned down sex. Do women usually mention this.
>wat
literally what she would do while blushing and playing with my penis.
>you guys got a severe communication-issue.
Is not mentioning the size of your partners dick really that bad.

>>17598701
she hasn't said anything about your impaling her for minutes with her being in pain, and you were to autistic to see the signs of pain in her face because you were reenacting your hentai-phantasies.

add that to one year of talking about having sex and not actually ever talk ABOUT sex with each other and all the aspects of it is pretty much impossible, unless both of you cannot really talk to each other. a match made in heaven.

by now I'm 100% sure there are more elements of the story you either aren't telling or aren't even aware of yourself. This whole thing doesn't add up.

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>>17598725
>by now I'm 100% sure there are more elements of the story you either aren't telling or aren't even aware of yourself. This whole thing doesn't add up.
protips it's a fantasy

>>17598736
also 100+ replies lol

>>17598725
>add that to one year of talking about having sex and not actually ever talk ABOUT sex with each other and all the aspects of it is pretty much impossible, unless both of you cannot really talk to each other. a match made in heaven.
Uh did you not read the OP. Our conversations about sex pretty much amounted to
>we should have sex
>we cant
As autistic as I am I can understand why she didnt say anything until it was too much. And was far as looking at her face, I was pretty much engrossed in embracing her body. I didnt really bring my night vision goggles and was focus more on the sensation of touch than sight. Honestly the one memories of vision I had were the one were I realized I lost focus. Which she seemed to be turned on and looking at were we were connected. Which makes since as she was enjoying it until I went completely out of control. The other instance being when she asked me to stop

>17598736
I dont know why, but I kinda feel warm hearing you think events I actually experienced as a fantasy.

>>17598736
wtf is that the guy that gives advice in those videos? wtf is he doing slapping that girl wtf

>>17597591
u were trying to fuck her urethra, u should buy her dinner shes probably really hurt.

>>17597674
could be her cervix, usually it hurts if shes not wet

>>17597938
LMFAO

>>17598104
this

>>17598766
From the description how could you think its anything else.

>>17597591
>I never measured my dick
bullshit.

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Help me /adv/

I'm having sex for the first time next weekend. The girl is very experienced, and dislikes receiving oral. How do I fake skills without fucking up like OP

>>17599974
Not sure why you would think that