Is NoFap worth it?

>>17572905
Yes, hang in there. Don't be that guy who can't even stop himself from touching himself.

>>17572905
No

It depends, if you've got chronic masturbation problems then yes.

you can't just do it for 2 days here, a week there, you have to do it for several months for it to actually fully work.

porn combined with jerking off is an addiction like any other.

>>17572965
>you have to do it for several months for it to actually fully work.
Why? When women ovulate theyre horny af and masturbate at these times of horniness at least ~3 days a month
Why cut it completely?

>>17573019
hes just memeing you lol

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If it's an addiction, yes.

It's always good to overcome addictions that have the potential to interfere with your daily life or effect your body to where you have something like erectile dysfunction.

I have been masturbating since I was 10. I'm 18 now, but recently I have simply lost the urge to masturbate, and honestly speaking, it's been good to just stop for even a little bit. Sure, some things have been happening in my life that I'm unhappy about―especially one thing in particular―which are probably affecting my libido, but honestly, I had been masturbating to a point were it doesn't even feel good anymore. I've almost lost the ability to feel pleasure from having an orgasm I was masturbating so much. I've also lost the need to masturbate to any girl I think has a nice ass or whatever. I've even stopped checking out women, hell.

In finality, I've lost interest, and it's great to feel release from something that I thought needed to be satisfied at least once day if not more.

It's up to you to decide OP. Are you feeling like it's accomplishing anything? Maybe try putting that energy into something else like say volunteering, joining a club, or hanging out with friends even.

Try something before giving into the urge.

>no-fap
Pseudo-scientific bullshit for armchair psychologists and endocrinologists to spout.

>>17572905

NoFap is a meme, after the first four days there are no further benefits, so wait two more days, then have a Godzilla of a fap.

>single for 2 years
>got sucked off once, nothing else in that time
>fap almost every day to fill the sex void from my ex
>get gf
>have not been 100% hard with her, 5.5 inches at most
>first few times I had trouble getting it up
>try watching porn, instant diamond cock at full 6.5 inches, almost forgot what it was supposed to look like

I'm telling you all now, don't fucking jack off to porn, it ruins you. Leave it to the imagination. Doing nofap and dick is finally waking up much faster. It felt great seeing her surprised because it was bigger than usual. You know you're addicted when you get harder seeing a video than having a girl trying to throat your dick nonstop. I regret fapping

>>17573706
This. Porn has detrimental effects on the brain.

>>17573763

Porn can and will contribute towards the creation of a bad cycle where you'd prefer jerking it rather than finding a partner. Before long, it begins to effect all aspects of life negatively. Angry, misogynistic, permavirgins are born. How do I know? Porn helped me become one of these losers. Now I'm volcel and bitter. My fault entirely.

>>17573706
Is it getting better? I'm in the same position, desensitized due to serious porn use when I was young. Started at 10. I've barely viewed porn in years but I still have difficulties. I can't have sex without imagining porn in my head, I can't interact with a human and get aroused normally, even if they're a 10/10. :(

>>17574110

I see a 10 photographically and not even care much. Desensitized is right.

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>>17573396
No it's not.
It may be if you just masturbate a few times a week, and can cum to things other than Porn.
But if you'r like me and compulsively masturbate away any lust and desire for real women 2-5 Times a day, you NEED to lay off for a few weeks at least.
Fucking hell, four weeks of Nofap were enough to finally get me laid despite being a 25 yo khv.
Turns out I simply never took any action because I completely lost all ability to be aroused by a real woman's touch despite intellectually wanting one.

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

There's plenty of actually scientific backing for nofap; just that it only applies to those who overdo Porn and masturbation. If you managed to avoid that, morre power to you - but don't knock it down for those who can benefit.

>>17572905
Porn is bad, fapping is good.
Do no porn instead, just jerk off to fine art instead.

>>17572905
Yes it's worth it. Beating the sexual Jew is difficult, especially if you started young and have had 10+ years of conditioning, but eventually it will bring you improved cognitive ability and a more natural libido (which might also help you with getting women).

I think one of the best ways to beat porn is to cultivate a strong moral sense that porn is a despicable phenomenon and must be avoided at all costs.

Watch this (warning the video might arouse you; if it does just listen to the audio and hide the vid):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMmOAd2FVrE

>>17574429
Not OP but I already jerk off to tile patterns. I don't think that's helped me.

There are nowhere near any palpable benefits that justify denying yourself the intense pleasure of fapping multiple times a day.

I mean, if you wanna lose out on enjoying yourself then feel free.

What is ok to fap to then? Pictures of women? Just no sex/masturbation?

You're in the withdrawal stage. It will taper off soon. I find that when I get the urge to fap, it's because I'm bored. Find something to do or put yourself in a place where you can't fap.

>>17574755

Just use your imagination.

>>17573396
It's not entirely. Research is pointing to the conclusion that "excessive" porn is harmful in many ways.

What do you qualify as an addiction?

I masturbate like 3 times a day because I am bored and like dropping massive loads. But if I go on a week long trip, I don't really give a shit about wanking.

Why don't nofap guys stop complaining and just go out and fuck

>inb4 diseases
You don't have to fuck gutter trash, there are plenty of clean cute girls

>>17572905
>Is NoFap worth it?
If you wank habitually, then yes.
Wanking, like anything is only an issue when it interferes with your life, causing you to be late to school, work, social outings and the like.
If you are going to go to the shops and buy some food, but you choose to wank instead of going out, then you have a problem.

Ultimately nofap just makes you start doing shit with your life instead of wanking, you choose to approach women and talk to them instead of wanking yourself silly in front of the computer, you choose to leave the house or do things that better yourself.

90% of life is showing up, you aren't showing up to shit if you are sat at home wanking while watching some bleached blonde girl with daddy issues airing out her shit locker talking about losing her virginity age 14.

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>>17575083
>http://chaosandpain.blogspot.com/2013/07/no-fap-more-like-no-fucking-way.html
No, Fapping's good for you and increases testosterone

>>17575105

But also no fapping a lot is bad for your state of mind

>>17575112
>fapping a lot is bad for your state of mind
Fappiong's fine for you both physically and mentally. Extreme porn consumption is what can be bad. When your not having sex you should otherwise be fapping

>>17574566
The pleasure is so intense because it's a full blown addiction affecting your Brain's Reward centre while bypassing your actual sex drive
>>17575061
Yeah, there's just the tiny little problem that getting laid requires at least a spark of genuine desire towards the opposite sex. You can't aftificially force yourself to do all the subconscious stuff that leads to people having sex.
Also. a Dick that is limp in the presence of a naked woman due to being conditioned to porn is even more useless than your "Advice"

>>17575105
>Fapping's good for you and increases testosterone
I'll need a real scientific source on wanking increasing testosterone, preferably on that isn't "chaosandpain.blogspot" and doesn't have swearing in the title.

It would be a very interesting read considering I'm a contraception and sexual health nurse.

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>>17572905
Nope, but you don't need to make love to your dick either by edging for an hour or more. Just release and get on with your day.

>>17575156
http://yourbrainonporn.com/

There is plenty of sources here.

>>17575156

To my knowledge testosterone levels are same no matter how much you fap

>>17575160
I searched "testosterone" and found an article saying porn consumption lowers test levels, how about you find a source for me that shows wanking increasing test levels?

>>17575172
Pretty much my understanding, they dip temporarily during the refractory period but you should experience issues unless you are wanking to excess and have a terrible diet (nutrition plays a big part).

>>17574862
Anything in excess is harmful for you.

>>17575156
>I'll need a real scientific source on wanking increasing testosterone
>>17575186
>how about you find a source for me that shows wanking increasing test levels?
Then read what I posted it has sources, It's not my job to do more of your work for you or work around your feelings. Fapping and sex have both been proven to increase testosterone. No Faps a meme.
>>17575193
Untrue. And fapping's just fine for you

yes. old fag here


yes

>>17575221
Please, enlighten me, what can you excessively do and not get harmful effects from it.

>>17575193
Well no shit. I mean that it has psychological effects that make it detrimental more so than other activities.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography

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>>17572905

No fap was invented when women only showed their face and hands.

Nowadays it simply does not work

>>17575221
You know what the burden of proof is?
You have to provide me with the info and a source.

It isn't my job to try and disprove you, I already know it doesn't improve test levels, because it is my job to know.

I'm going to say something equally stupid:
Squirting is real, it isn't piss and it isn't done in porn by either not feeding the women and making them drink water til they piss clear liquid or by pushing water into the vagina, it is all real.
You can find the source at www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=squirting

Now when you say "I only found stuff saying it isn't real" I can be a retard and say "I don't have to find your stuff LOL".

>>17575241
>>Ahn HS, Park CM, Lee SW. The clinical relevance of sex hormone levels and sexual activity in the ageing male. BJU Int. 2002 Apr;89(6):526-30.
Special populations (elderly)

>>Anawalt BD, Hotaling JM, Walsh TJ, Matsumoto AM. Performance of total testosterone measurement to predict free testosterone for the biochemical evaluation of male hypogonadism. J Urol. 2012 Apr;187(4):1369-73.
Special populations (hypogonadism)

>>John Harvey Kellogg. Wikipedia. Web. 11 Jul 2013. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Drastic_measures
Wikipedia page for a guy whose science has long since been debunked

>>Koskimäki J, Shiri R, Tammela T, Häkkinen J, Hakama M, Auvinen A. Regular intercourse protects against erectile dysfunction: Tampere Aging Male Urologic Study. Am J Med. 2008 Jul;121(7):592-6.
Special populations (elderly)

>>Sue D. Masturbation in the in vivo treatment of impotence. J Behav Ther Exp Psychrot. 1978 Mar;9(1):15-16.
Psychological, nothing to do with test levels

>>Toone BK, Wheeler M, Nanjee M, Fenwick P, Grant R. Sex hormones, sexual activity and plasma anticonvulsant levels in male epileptics. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 1983;46:824-826
Special populations (epileptics)

I'm really looking forward to the robust research I'm sure you have lined up for me which comes with a foreword of "I was being intentionally retarded in my last post! her's the real sources". Because if I've been doing my job wrong for years, I'd like to know as would my colleagues.

>>17575160
>>17575186
>>17575243
>You know what the burden of proof is?
>You have to provide me with the info and a source.
Yes and I provided it.
>I already know it doesn't improve test levels,
I've provided evidence it clear evidence it does
>
Now when you say "I only found stuff saying it isn't real" I can be a retard and say "I don't have to find your stuff LOL".
No I found stuff you just willing to read that proves it isn't real. Sources from the bottom.
>Ahn HS, Park CM, Lee SW. The clinical relevance of sex hormone levels and sexual activity in the ageing male. BJU Int. 2002 Apr;89(6):526-30.

>Anawalt BD, Hotaling JM, Walsh TJ, Matsumoto AM. Performance of total testosterone measurement to predict free testosterone for the biochemical evaluation of male hypogonadism. J Urol. 2012 Apr;187(4):1369-73.

>John Harvey Kellogg. Wikipedia. Web. 11 Jul 2013. >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Drastic_measures

>Koskimäki J, Shiri R, Tammela T, Häkkinen J, Hakama M, Auvinen A. Regular intercourse protects against erectile dysfunction: Tampere Aging Male Urologic Study. Am J Med. 2008 Jul;121(7):592-6.

>Sue D. Masturbation in the in vivo treatment of impotence. J Behav Ther Exp Psychrot. 1978 Mar;9(1):15-16.

>Toone BK, Wheeler M, Nanjee M, Fenwick P, Grant R. Sex hormones, sexual activity and plasma anticonvulsant levels in male epileptics. J Neurol Neurosurg Psychiatry 1983;46:824-826

>>17575240
yeah, it does.
you're just weak and lack any kind of impulse control.

>>17575269
I've already pointed out that your sources are shit in >>17575260 before you shit yourself and deleted the post.

>>17575276

Maybe, or maybe I am simply a man

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>>17574547
Tileguy pls

>>17575302
no, you're a sex-offender in training.

Is there a woman version of nofap?

Has any femanons tried it?

So gauge if you will, if I need nofap.

>Haven't had an actual gf in 10 years
>Haven't had sex in 3 years. Only twice in my life.
>Talk to females, but I don't really get far.
>Fap at least 3 times a day, sometimes more.
>Have a separate IG just for my fetish.
>Write fetish comics.
>Paid IG models, prostitutes, and artists for porn.

>>17575269
And here are the sources which "proves" that porn induces erectile dysfunction:

http://yourbrainonporn.com/erectile-dysfunction-and-porn

Lots of studdies.
Lots...

>>17575269
Here is a literature review of a bunch of studdies.
http://www.mdpi.com/2076-328X/6/3/17/htm

Fuck, London Tipton looks so sexy. I'm gonna have to forgo my week of no fap to that pic.

>>17575276
>you're just weak and lack any kind of impulse control.
projection
>>17575317
>no, you're a sex-offender in training.
Are you an SJW

>>17575327
I'm trying to stop. I'm the poster who started at 10, it's messed with my ability to have actual sex.

>>17575417
if you can't keep your hands off your dick because you saw a hot woman in a bikini, you got issues, yes.

>>17575470
I'm 24 and can still cum 4 times a day. Not sure if that's a lot or little, but yeah I can make anything sexual in my mind if I take the time.

Not person you were responding to, but yeah.

>>17575582
If you cum to porn, that means literally nothing besides that you managed to get yourself addicted. Can you do the same with a woman?

Nofap is a cult.

>addiction addiction addiction addiction
jesus christ what the fuck is it with /adv/. every thread I see is people being accused of sex addiction

seem like you fags are the ones who can't stop thinking about other people's genitals

>>17575663

pornography is addiction forming.

this is empirically proven both through scientific evidence of how it alters your dopamine levels compared to "regular" masturbation (without porn), and through consistent anecdotal evidence that people have great difficulty quitting it cold turkey.

>>17575623
I look at pictures and later on I use my imagination. I don't sit there and watch a JOI video or something. I mostly use my imagination and what I see out in the world. Like, if I see an attractive woman, I take a mental snapshot and I imagine her in all sorts of dilemmas. Oh, yes.

Still a virgin, but the times I have even just kissed or had a woman on top of me, I had not issue getting hard.

>>17575672
>pornography is addiction forming.
lots of things are addiction forming, you fucking puritan

>>17574862
Porn != masturbation

>>17575698

for the majority of the population I think it's fair to equate the two.

>>17575701
great assertion that you pulled completely out of your ass.

I can and do masturbate frequently with and without porn. I actually enjoy doing it without porn more.

>>17575713
but will you watch porn and not masturbate?
Like watch it for the story?

>>17575677

few if any are as powerful as porn though.

It has been shown that porn addiction causes similar changes to brain chemistry as heroin addiction.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/26/brain-scans-porn-addicts-sexual-tastes

The only reason porn can't be classified as a physical addiction is because the intake is purely visual. aside from that it mimics physical dependency in almost every way.

>>17575724
sure if it's a good story

>>17575727
That's great except you can't overdose on porn.

If I could do legal heroin that couldn't kill me, I would.

NoFap means no watching porn too? I like to appreciate a good nude pic that gets posted on these boards like everybody else, but I don't fap everytime I see them. I just like looking at the naked girls

>>17575740
Which is why it's so bad in the first place- there literally is no upper limit on indulging your addiction.
>>17575799
That's actually the whole point of it - laying off masturbation for awhile is simply required for your Brain to rewire itself so that you can be aroused by your Imagination/real sex again.

>small two room apartment
>introvert colleague needs place to sleep
>he never leaves the place
>no fap for months

just do this and you'll be fine
I'm not freaking out or anything, promise.

>>17575367
>"proves" that porn induces erectile dysfunction
does this include stuff like creep cams, real incest, cp, and girls dancing provocatively?

>>17572905
Not when I see her photo.

Hngh

>>17575676
and that sounds like perfectly healthy reactions to you?

>>17573325
>I'm 18 now, but recently I have simply lost the urge to masturbate,
I once went 6 months without masturbation when I was your age. Fast forwarding 7 years and here I am ready to fap for the 3rd time today right after I post this.

>>17576683
I went on nofap in 2013 and stayed abstinent for roughly 6 months like you.
>Then relapsed eventually to porn again.
>Then it was on/off with several relapses for about a year.
>Then porn chronically again every day (sometimes twice a day)
>up until a few weeks ago when all the degeneracy finally hit home hard enough. I quit.
Probably won't ever watch porn again, because I have become an anti-Semite and I equate porn to the Jew.

>>17576586
I'm the guy he replied to, and I think that yes, it is.
Nothing wrong with fantasizing, Girls do the same.
It's still natural stimulation, other than porn.

There's nothing wrong with fapping once a day you idiot. We're blessed enough to live in an age with cell phones full of videos of hot ass pornstars who take big dick up the ass and moan in ecstasy and you're not going to take advantage?

K guys I'm going on a no water routine, no water for a month, p sure it'll up my testosterone levels and make me into a better human being

>>17572905
If you think not touching your dick is going to change your life 180 degrees then do I have news for you.

I'm on anti-anxiety meds and I haven't wanted to jerk off for months.

I don't miss it.

>>17577316
>blessed
>take advantage

Wow, you are severely brainwashed. Porn is literally harmful to you. Stop consuming it.

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>>17572905
See if you can last w/o needing sexual release. I did it for 11 days and had a hell of a time... and then went through military basic training and had no problem not jerking myself off because I was so physically/emotionally exhausted at night that I just wanted to sleep. sometimes you just need that break (in my case 8 wks) to tell yourself that you can do it. Try to exercise or find something else to use up testosterone when the urge hits.

I personally did pic related beside my bed after I got home when I got the urge. Worked pretty well. When I know I can't go home and jerk myself off because I won't let myself, I feel way more confident and persistent when trying to get laid at the nightclub.

The real thing that leads to ED is fear of failure / lack of confidence. Watching too much porn might make you feel miserable and contribute to that shit. Reading stories of guys that have same problems can also help you to forge a disease that you don't really have. If you reading this thread, you most likely already started developing some complex. So stop overthinking, close this thread and stop fapping if that gives you those stupid fears. Instead do something to make yourself confident, for example go to the gym. Later you'll find out everything is ok with your dick, just don't think about it.

>>17572905
Masturbation isnt the enemy, porn is.

Is it fine instead of watching porn to just look at girls on fb and instagram instead, combined with your imagination?

Hijacking thread, sorry.

Does it count towards nofap if you have vaginal intercourse but restrain from masturbating?

>>17578260
yeah

>>17578260
having normal sexual reactions when drilling another human is the goal of it, so yes.

I saw a thread on r nofap where a guys testosterone levels increased with nofap. He had lab results to back his claims