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>>17499841
If someone tells you something personal like "I was raped" and the first place you mentally go to is trying to see if it was their fault you're being an jackass. You're not a police officer probing for intel, you're just some random dumb ass cunt she was trying to talk to. If someone gets robbed because they walked home late at night and your first response is to shit on them for being out late you're not going to get a positive response from the person you're interviewing either.

Either apologize, do nothing and hope they forget, or continue role playing as autistic Judge Judy.

>>17499874
If someone tells you something happened to them do you not inquire about the circumstances it happened under. You seem awfully irrational so its hard for me to take your advice.

Apologize or deal with the potential fallout I guess. I'd have the same gut instinct as you to ask questions, but the fact is you don't know who she is. I've seen people lie just to punish those they perceive as "problematic", and it's just not worth that risk.

you're making trouble for yourself when you don't need to

for the sake of not having drama you probably shouldn't have questioned her about it regardless of who was at fault.

This is college; not high school anymore. Drama stays in highschool. Next time someone says something that may come under a grey area in terms of liability just side with the person and move on from it. It's pointless to argue about something that really doesn't affect you.

>>17499841
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So you told her you were pro-rape? Why

>>17499909
There was never an argument. I just asked some questions and it blew out of control.
>>17499915
Im pro responsibility. Im not ashamed to admit that.

>>17499919
>I just asked some questions
That's arguing. You told her you were personally offended that she used the word rape when you think that's a fine thing to do. Might as well wear a button that says "ask me why rape is good"

>>17499919
You asked un-needed questions friend

Sure dude, everyone here is pro responsibility. Problem here is there was literally no need for you to ask her questions about it. Only way you can remedy this situation is if you apologise to her and blame it on being nervous for college

Side note: you don't actually have to mean the apologise, this is a good way to practice your people skills. Something which you really do seem to lack

>>17499841
While Victim Shaming sucks, and what happened to the girls is really bad and the guy who did it was an asshole it still wasn't rape.
What you said is absolutely right, it does matter if she was blacked out or not. Shes just lumping in what happened and calls it rape to gain sympathy, trivializing actual rape in the process.
A total cunt in my book, that doesn't deserve your time and i hope there a enough clear minded people in your college who can see that and won't burn you on the stake.

>>17499938
>everyone here is pro responsibility
I'm anti raping drunk girls. I'm even anti telling girls they deserve to be raped. Op deserves to be treated like the hateful shit he is.

>>17499938
"People Skills" Is now having no spine and not standing up for what you think is right.
This world is fucked..

>>17499933
So asking questions means you are offended? You are clearly crazy.
>>17499938
You ask questions when you want to know something. When someone says something happened to them i like to inquire about the circumstances so that I can truly understand them.

>>17499955
Yelling at a girl in your dorm about rape until she cries is not standing up for anything

>>17499949
Only one spout hate here is you.

>>17499899
Are you a complete social fucking retard? No, you don't INQUIRE ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES when somebody tells you about a TRAUMATIC EVENT THAT THEY EXPERIENCED. You act nonjudgmental and let them take the lead on whether or not they want active sympathy and reassurance or just some privacy. It's not an invitation to play twenty fucking questions.

You've spent too long on sites like this one and you confused an actual social interaction for a conversation on fucking 4chan.

>>17499949
No he doesn't

Like i said, it's a grey area. There's reasons for why he's both right and wrong; i'm just arguing there was no point for the conflict to occur in the first place.

>>17499955
People skills is understanding the people you're talking to. The moment she tells you she was raped within what at most a week? That's a fucking red flag on their character. Agree with her then get away from her.

>>17499959
Then pick better timing. You haven't known the girl for long, maybe wait until you actually know the person before you question delicate parts of their past.

your best case scenario at this point is they kick you out for being a faget and you can start anew somewhere

>>17499970
Why would anyone tell someone something and not want them to understand them. Youd literally only do that if you were attention whoring.

>>17499965
Who said anything about yelling? Don't twist the story to how it suits your agenda

>>17499965
>asking a few questions is yelling

>>17499975
Friend have you ever been to college

There are attention whores everywhere. The real world isn't anonymous like your japanese image boards

>>17499970
so someone tells you the were raped and you just say "ok." trying to ignore what she just said or change the subject? seems like you maybe the one on the spectrum

>>17499973
Its not like I asked if she had ever been raped before.

>>17499841
Who knows what spectrum of cognition she was in, regardless of blacked out or not?
You're starting out the questioning with a mindset that it's not a grey area and that it's either black or white. And that's bullshit. It just shows you don't understand social situations enough to even begin such questioning, let alone make new friends in college.
Have some fucking compassion, you should have given her the benefit of the doubt man.. and just asked if she was ok.. offered her an ear if she she ever needed to let her thoughts out - instead of jumping straight to trying to judge her.
What an asshole...

>>17499981
>i went outside once so now i know every persons motivation everywhere in every circumstance

>>17499999
quints of wisdom

>>17499994
I know, but the problem lies with you delving into the details of the rape. I don't mean to sound condescending or patronising here so sorry if i do.

Best case scenario there would have been you saying how sorry you were for her and and trying to jump ship from that topic of conversation.

>>17500004
>i visited a college campus once and figured out the personalities of every single college student and the possibility of one being an attention whore is out of the question

I don't know what your college is like, but I spent no time interacting with my dorm-mates. They were completely irrelevant to me and I to them. So it might not be important that you asked those questions for that reason. That is, just leave the dorm and just use it to, you know, sleep and eat.

If the dorm is large, it's probably already forgotten. People make a big deal about issues that "trigger" them, then promptly forget it the next week when another issue comes up. So just be patient.

If you had the bad luck of living in some super SJW dorm, consider moving out. It probably wasn't going to be great anyway.

>>17499970
I'm sorry OP but this. Even if she didn't get black out drunk and maybe only half mumbled a 'no stop', or even just felt like she couldn't say no, you really shouldn't be inquiring much more into it unless this is someone you are dating or potentially dating. There was no reason for you to know except for satisfying your own curiosity, but there are times and places for that.

You also didn't take into account that maybe this girl had a rough life growing up and didn't have an idea of what clear boundaries are, and possibly felt like she had no right to say no, only to later find out that what happened to her wasn't right. You have to think about those things too.

>>17499841
Look, ultimately society has agreed that even though your judgement is impaired when you are drunk, you are responsible for your actions. This is evident in law. If you drive drunk you are responsible, if you start a fight while drunk you are responsible. The same applies to giving consent to have sex.

She wasn't upset because you won the argument over whether or not what happened to her was legally defined as rape, she was upset because you reminded her that it is possible that she could have avoided the situation. It's ultimately just a completely unnecessary thing to say. Do you think that she doesn't realize that she could have stayed home that night? If she considered the experience to be ugly enough to label it rape then she of course feels like shit about it.

>>17499874
>If someone gets robbed because they walked home late at night and your first response is to shit on them for being out late you're not going to get a positive response from the person you're interviewing either.

Case in point

>>17499999
wtf is wrong with you. I never judged her. Thats just your assumption probably because youre a judgemental asshole who cant imagine not immediately judging someone. I started out with the mindset that I have no idea under what circumstances the events happened and asked to know more. Benefit of the doubt doesnt mean anything. I cant understand a person or where they are coming from if I have no idea what happened.

>>17499959
>So asking questions means you are offended?
Op was offended. I know it and so does he.

Im actually with op on this one.

Why would someone you just met admit to being raped And then cry when her bullshit story was pulled apart.

I mean i cant walk into a casino drunk bet 5000 on a blackjack hand and then tell everyone i was a victim of robbery.

I hate dumb bitches.

kill yourself my man

>>17500022
projection at its finest

>>17499973
>Then pick better timing. You haven't known the girl for long, maybe wait until you actually know the person before you question delicate parts of their past.
lol you're a fucking retard. she's the one who fucking told him that she had been raped. how is it that him asking questions about something she told him is being too forward, but her going around to guys she just met and saying "HEY GUYS I WAS RAPED" isn't?

>>17499933
WHY ARE YOU ASKING ALL OF THESE SEDITIOUS QUESTIONS COMRADE?

>>17500011
>i visited a college campus once and figured out the personalities of every single college student and the possibility of one being an attention whore is out of the question

I never claimed she wasn't an attention whore unlike you didn't pretend to know that specific persons intentions you daft cunt

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>>17499841
Next time just keep your mouth shut you autistic fuck.

>>17500035
Nobody is sending op to a death camp, he's getting shit talked by his peers for being an asshole.

>>17500017
You ask questions to find out these things. I dont know how much of it is her irresponsibility if any because I never got an answer to my questions.
Also the second part of your post is bs. If Im not taught about legal contracts but sign something that clearly takes advantage of me, Im still held to it.

>>17500022
No, you're just like every other twitchy moralizing dipshit who boils all human motivation and social interaction into a handful of canned scenarios so you can put words in other peoples mouths.

"I've known one guy who was asking questions about rape and acting offended, therefore ANYBODY who asks questions about rape is also offended."

>>17499841
I would've done the same thing OP. But I'm an idiot so ...
Women are mysterious irrational creatures that can fuck you up.
Live and learn.

>>17500035
DUDE FRIEND AMIGO

I don't care what the fuck she told him, the problem is that he asked her DELICATE questions he DIDN'T NEED TO ASK where the response was VERY LIKELY GOING TO BE BAD. If you can't understand that you don't need to have things in back or white and you can just let sleeping dogs lie then maybe you're the fucking retard friend.

>>17500036
>why would anyone tell someone something and not want them to understand them. Youd literally only do that if you were attention whoring

You're assuming if someone tells you something they automatically want you to understand them. She LITERALLY told him she was raped a week or so after meeting him. if that isn't attention whoring I don't know what is. The idea that she isn't an attention whore solely on the basis that you haven't fucking heard of one at college is retarded. Get out of fucking high school you aspie fuck.

>>17500043
wait until the entire body of undergraduate humanities majors show up outside his dorm carrying mattresses.

>>17500067
Yeah, I'll wait for that.

>>17500041
Or, have actually have a backbone? Decisions, decisions.

Holy mother of reddit in this thread.

If some college girl in what I assume is America casually brings up the topic of her rape in conversation with what is basically a stranger to her, then it raises so many big fucking red flags.

Why is she so comfortable with bringing up her rape if she's going to cry over it so easily.

Is she just exaggerating the situation because she regretted who she slept with.

Is she just an attention whore bringing this up out of nowhere to earn social sympathy points.

Rape is a horrible thing but am I really expected to treat it so seriously when she brings it up in such a casual situation? You can't even say she's doing that because she's gotten over it when she bursts into treats minutes later.

Op if you get shunned for this then fuck them, they would've been a waste of your time anyway.

>>17499970
>Are you a complete social fucking retard? No, you don't INQUIRE ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES

So I am just supposed to buy up anything anyone says despite the fact they could well be lying to me for any imaginable reason and I could have something to lose by believing them? Why would I put myself at risk like that?

>>17500057
>the problem is that he asked her DELICATE questions he DIDN'T NEED TO ASK where the response was VERY LIKELY GOING TO BE BAD
If she DIDN'T WANT TO BE ASKED questions that NATURALLY come to mind after being presented with a fact MAYBE SHE SHOULD HAVE KEPT HER MOUTH SHUT

>>17500081
>Is she just exaggerating the situation because she regretted who she slept with.
>Is she just an attention whore bringing this up out of nowhere to earn social sympathy points

My money's on the second. Attention whores like that are common. Real rape victims don't act like that.

>>17500131
>questions that NATURALLY come to mind
only in the mind of a weird creep. if someone tells you they were raped you naturally ask them how it happened? why?

>>17500071
If he was being accused then it would be natural to confront that fucked up rape accusations, but op wasn't even involved so why bother with dumb sjws? Colleges are chock full of those idiots.

>>17500151
Because women lie so you feel sorry for them

>>17499841
You're a dumb faggot anon. The instant she mentioned she'd been raped, you should have been planning your exit.

Not only are you dealing with a possible retard who is defining rape as something she regrets and not actual rape, if she was actually raped, she's damaged mentally and there's really no telling if she'll ever recover. The last thing you want is her having Vietnam flashbacks if you ever score and then you getting accused of rape. It also shows she had poor judgment to begin with.

Run anon. Run like hell and if it ever gets brought up again, apologize and say you were a social retard but you've learned and just know internally that what you learned was to stay away from psychos.

>>17500164
I was worried about a bunch of things when I started college and none of them were "women lie so you feel sorry for them" because I'm not a lunatic. It worked out pretty well for me, I was never known around the dorm as a asshole.

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Make amends and try to defuse the situation.

You need to just assume that everyone in college is a complete fucking child, because they are. Tread lightly and keep your head down, until you can get your degree. These people hate nothing more than the thought of you going under their radars quietly and living a fulfilling life while disagreeing with them.

Rich little suburbanite cunts with no concept of what actual suffering is

>>17500123
You must legitimately have autism if you don't understand that you are supposed to fake sympathy in a situation like that. Even if it was her fault, it's not your place to tell her off because it would make you look like a jackass.

It's the same reason why you wouldn't yell at someone else's baby to shut up because it's having a fit in public; it doesn't do the baby any good and it makes you look bad.

She just wants sympathy and you can give it to her without meaning any of it. Sympathy and empathy are not the same thing.

>>17500151
Yes you stupid nigger. I'm not even OP but you're literally spouting that LISTEN AND BELIEVE garbage that these retard feminists spew constantly.

You aren't entitled to not feel bad about your garbage decisions. You should be ridiculed until it's stuck deep in your mind that you should never do it again. Plus, she brought it up. Anon didn't come up to her and say "HEY BITCH, EVER BEEN RAPED BEFORE?" He was more than entitled to inquire further once she brought up the subject.

I swear you 5 year old liberal retards are the most sensitive bunch of pansies the human race has ever known.

>>17500020
>Then I told her it does matter because its the difference between regretting decisions she made while under the an influence she willingly put herself under, and being completely taken advantage of while not cognizant.
^^^ You aren't just judging her, you're generalising and judging all people who get drunk and are taken advantage of. Consider that people can be taken advantage of even if they aren't drunk. Should they feel guilt because they knew what they were doing and were sober? People can't tell the future man.. and so you shouldn't simplify her situation.
What if she got drunk, decided she had enough and went home to sleep it off (a totally responsible thing to do) only to be raped by a family member?
>How do I fix this.
You fix it by understanding how it was you fucked up and by listening to people on this thread instead of retorting.

>>17499841
How about you stop arguing whenever this was right or wrong you retard. You asked us how to fix this and we answered - apologize. Case closed.

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>>17500191
>It's the same reason why you wouldn't yell at someone else's baby to shut up because it's having a fit in public; it doesn't do the baby any good and it makes you look bad.
You heard it here first.
Women are literally babies.

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>>17499841

I like how you keep saying "HEY, I WAS ONLY ASKING QUESTIONS" when its obvious that your goal from the beginning was to pull her story apart.

You can't ask a bunch of probing questions that hint at a unifying theme and then get upset and want to act all objective when she picks up on the hints you're dropping.

The point is she says she was raped and you immediately jumped to "Well it DOES matter how much alcohol you had..."

It doesn't even matter if she was raped or not, what you did was dumb and unnecessary and you're doing a terrible job of hiding your bias. You're literally posting in the epicenter of adolescent meme-based misogyny and you expect us to believe you were just asking friendly, unassuming questions because you wanted to "fully understand her"?

Give me a fucking break, OP. You tried to convince a girl she wasn't raped and it backfired on you because you're an idiot. End of story.

>>17500191
Yea. I would yell at the babies parents because they should have control of their kid or fuck off. This situation is about ten billion times worse on a plane. You don't have a right to fuck with the entire general public because you can't handle your kid you dumb faggot.

>>17500081
>Why is she so comfortable with bringing up her rape if she's going to cry over it so easily.
Maybe she's trying to deal with her emotions by talking about her situation to people.
Have you ever been traumatised in life? Bottling things up is the worst way to deal with it.

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>>17500204
women ARE babies, anon.

>>17499841

A normal person's reaction to this would of been to say "Jesus, thats horrible" and moved on to talk to someone who perhaps didn't bring up their own rape in casual conversation.

The fact that you interpreted this as an opportunity to "stick it" to feminism says more about your severe autism than the legitimacy of this girl's rape.

You're either a terrible person or just terribly stupid.

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>>17500214
kek

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>>17500226

And an entire generation of men gathering on the internet to idly whine about how women are to blame for every failure in their lives couldn't possibly be interpreted as childish behavior, right?

>>17500242
[spoilersdontwork]thejokeisimafemanon[on/adv/]

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>>17500242
At least I can accept that I'm a perverted slob.
Women apparently can't handle someone telling them that getting drunk and leaving the rotisserie open to any ol' bratwurst is their choice and a stupid one at that.

>>17500242
>to idly whine about how women are to blame for every failure in their lives
I'll take "things no one ever said," for 500.

The closest thing resembling that sentiment on 4chan are the threads about single mothers, but tragically, statistics support just about everything that's said in those threads. Single mothers are a blight on any community.

>>17500258
NAYRT, but that is a very common sentiment on /r9k/ and wizardchan.

>>17500253

I like how you just compared yourself to the entirety of women.

Why is it that you get to keep your individuality in being an ignorant piece of shit but as soon as you hear a woman does something you don't like she suddenly represents all women?

And yes, I agree. A woman getting drunk means that whatever happens to her afterwards is immediately her fault.

What fucking pack of wolves raised you?

>>17500258

I'd take a boatload of single mothers in my community over just one red-pilled sperg like you any day, thank you. The single mothers would likely have a better understanding of reality.

If you honestly think that the entirety of /r9k/ isn't constructed for the sole purpose of using women as a scapegoat for all of their failures and disappointments either you're incidentally stupid or willfully stupid. Neither option is great.

>>17500253

Your ability to admit that you're worthless doesn't make you worth more than anyone else, anon. Sorry, thats just not how life works.

>>17500274
>I'd take a boatload of single mothers in my community over just one red-pilled sperg like you any day
That's because you're a female, who places her own sense of aesthetic above anything resembling practicality.
>The single mothers would likely have a better understanding of reality.
The brown shirts would have a better understanding of reality. That didn't stop them from marching through Belgium.

For the rest of your bit, /r9k/ is about as representative of 4chan as fucking /mlp/. It's hardly worth a mention, and is almost completely insincere anyway.

>>17500191
>you are supposed to fake sympathy
Why am I supposed to fake sympathy at all? Especially when I don't know if they're telling the truth or not? Are you saying I should always enable a liar?

>Even if it was her fault
I don't care if I look like a jackass, bitch needs to be put in her place.
Besides, I'm a woman myself so I can't look like a jackass. And I can call on male support myself by calling her out for being a lying cunt. I can destroy her and I will.

>It's the same reason why you wouldn't yell at someone else's baby to shut up because it's having a fit in public
>implying women are literally babies and should be treated as such
I love idiots like you who end up being even more offensive than the one they're contesting.

>She just wants sympathy and you can give it to her
I choose who to give my sympathy to and I only choose to give my sympathy to those I deem worthy of it. A likely lying cunt that does nothing but expect me to kiss her ass for no reason like the arrogant cunt she is is only worthy of my spite.

>>17500274
You can't just read things that aren't there. That's just not how language works.

>>17500266
>Why is it that you get to keep your individuality in being an ignorant piece of shit but as soon as you hear a woman does something you don't like she suddenly represents all women?
I'll be sure to revert my stance to #notallwomen, as soon as I meet one online who doesn't have sand in her cunt, air between her ears, or both.

>>17500335
>Besides, I'm a woman myself so I can't look like a jackass.
t. roleplayer

nice try, 0/10

>>17500220
>Maybe she's trying to deal with her emotions by talking about her situation to people
And whining when people inquire about the details of it, like a liar who didn't think her lie through and hates doing the mental exercise of making it up on the spot. Riiiight.

>>17500347
>no woman can ever disagree with me! Women are all the same!

You are what's making life worse for women everywhere.

>>17500220
So instead of bottling it up she's going to reveal deep trauma that's happened to her to some stranger? In that case op did the right thing again, better for her to be upset now and be less naive before she tells some nasty piece of work who will use that information to mess with her.

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this thread is an example of a migration of/r9k/ robots and reddit sjws coming together to make a grey issue black and white.

the advice was OP shouldn't have made anything out of the rape comment and fucking ran as far away as he could when she mentioned rape after knowing him a little while.

>>17500242
If you want to talk about generations then may I remind you that it's only in the last 40 years of human history that we've started to pretend that women aren't fuck ups.

>>17500353
>I am above being a terrible person because I have a vagina, all teh menz bow before me XD
>that Stacy really had it coming!!

You're right, women can disagree. :^)

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>>17500341
Correction. That's how women work.

>>17500367
>I am above being a terrible person because I have a vagina
Yep that's the current climate and in this case I intend to exploit that as much as I can. A guy will get hounded for questioning a girl's claim of being raped but I won't. People who lie about being raped like that cunt deserve everything bad that happens to them, because they do nothing but make it worse for real rape victims. They are shit and they deserve to be treated like shit.

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The level of triggered wominz in this thread is through the roof.

fucking kek

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What if i was drunk and asked to learn the guitar. But my tuitor taught me banjo.

Id go around telling people it doesnt matter if i was drunk and having a good time playing the banjo, i didnt want banjo i wanted guitar.

>>17500392
while i agree with your post, oc it were true this thread wouldnt exist. you got it all fogured out but you are here asking for advice on what to do?

>>17499841

Okay OP look, regardless of whether you think this or not, you shouldn't probe somebody if they tell you they were raped. It's not really a matter of "well I want people to take responsibility" or not, it's just poor social etiquette.

I'd apologize to her, tell her that you think she's got the wrong end of the stick and that you weren't victim blaming at all and that you were either concerned or curious about the circumstances. People will hopefully appreciate that you're not the most socially astute person (because you're clearly not) and that you weren't trying to upset anyone.

>>17500392
Have fun getting kicked off of campus when she claims you harrassed her and nobody takes your side because you aren't the state and you can't physically prove she was lying.

You'll be back here, whining that the university was totally unfair for taking her side when you risked your education on a very childish dispute.

>>17500467
>it's just poor social etiquette
Telling random strangers for no reason about that one time you got oops raped is poor social etiquette. It's like telling random strangers about that one time you shat all other the bathroom in a bad case of diarrhea. Save it for those interested in diarrhea or people who are comfortable talking about the subject with you. It's disrespectful to bring up sensitive topics like that to a stranger.

Girl was just fishing for attention and she got upset he didn't fall for it. He has nothing to apologize for, in fact she should be the one to apologize to him.

>>17500495

Oh nobody here can really dispute that she fishing for attention, but there's a difference between ignoring or shutting down an attention whore on things like "I take so many drugs" "I used to self-harm" or anything that is undeniably their fault and shutting them down for rape.

I'm thinking it's best for him to do it now to defuse the situation, than for him to be "that asshole" in the dorm, whether he is perceived as it rightly or wrongly.

>>17500495

>this much autism

>>17499841
You're a sack of shit you fucking idiot.

If you were walking around drunk and I mugged your ass, should people say "well, he was kind of asking for it, I mean HE WAS drunk..."

If I murder you because you're not smart enough to defend yourself with a weapon, should people say "You know, he really shoulda thought ahead and bought a gun by now."

No. So don't be a fucking jackass. No one deserves to have a violent crime perpetrated upon them you fucking idiot.

There's a difference between regretting sex and getting fucked by a dude when you're blacked out. Regretting sex is not rape, and that's a terrible small and insignificant of rape claims.

>>17500477
>she claims you harrassed her
And I will counter-claim she is the one who is harassing me and nobody will take her side because she isn't the state and she can't physically prove she was telling the truth, nor can she prove that I had any ill intentions toward her with my enquiring. In fact, her behaviour is highly suspicious and the one with ill intent toward me is her.

why are you even chatting used goods?

fucking beta

>>17499975
You're a fucking idiot. You come here with an autistic post, we tell you you're wrong, and you argue with us. Why even post this stupid shit if you're going to argue about it?

You're a fucking fool. Apologize, tell her you were being stupid, and move on.

>>17499989
He's really not. You don't blame victims of violent crime because you deem it appropriate for the conversation.

>protip: its not

>>17500511
>If you were walking around drunk and I mugged your ass, should people say "well, he was kind of asking for it, I mean HE WAS drunk..."

If I murder you because you're not smart enough to defend yourself with a weapon, should people say "You know, he really shoulda thought ahead and bought a gun by now."
That is exactly what people say though.

>No one deserves to have a violent crime perpetrated upon them
She didn't have violent crime perpetrated on her.

>There's a difference between regretting sex and getting fucked by a dude when you're blacked out
She herself admitted she was not blacked out.

>>17500364
>>17500364

This.

OP, you've come asking for answers to a question and you're arguing because you're not receiving the answers you're looking for.

Enjoy being a social pariah at college, you fucking aspie.

>>17500519
>victims of violent crime
What violent crime are you referring to here? Because I don't see any mentioned in the OP. Some attention whore fished for pity about the time she had drunk sex and then regretted it, now OP is being demonized for not worshipping her like she demanded.

>>17500528
Do you retards still think it's the OP you're talking to?

>>17500512
Actually, I'd say >>17500335 is evidence enough to the opposite.

>Even if it was her fault
>I don't care if I look like a jackass, bitch needs to be put in her place.
Besides, I'm a woman myself so I can't look like a jackass. And I can call on male support myself by calling her out for being a lying cunt. I can destroy her and I will.
>I can destroy her and I will.

IRL doesn't last, 4chan is forever. You are now bound by your own malicious intent.

>>17499841
>How do I fix this.
Basically move out of the dorm, and off campus.

Or socialize with better people.

PC has become a religion on campus these days, so what you did is basically the same as going to an islamic student organization and ask them if Muhammed wasnt just some crazy child molester who thought heard voices.

>>17499948
Actually, the answer you are seeking lies here.

Say you know an actual rape victim and that you are sickened by people trivilaizing the term. Say you find it offensive, and basically make them out to be the bad people in this.

Dont expect an apology, but stand your ground.

>>17500446
You clearly wanted to play banjo while drunk, so if you are unable to make decisions while drunk, then dont get drunk.

>>17500562
Wanting to know the truth of matter in front of highly suspicious behaviour is not malicious intent. If she weren't lying, she could have answered the OP's inquiries honestly as, as he says, there is a the difference between regretting decisions she made while under the an influence she willingly put herself under, and being completely taken advantage of while not cognizant. And that difference is important. Her dodging the question about her own condition makes me question her honesty and the truthfulness of her tale. Liars like that need to be put in their place because they do nothing but damage real victims. Or do you want to enable lying cunts?

>I asked innocently how it happened
Literally impossible

>>17500591
If someone suddenly bursts out that they were raped, they kind of open the door for follow up questions.

If you dont want to talk about your rape, dont mention it in random conversations.

>>17500586
>Or do you want to enable lying cunts?
Isn't it obvious by now that this is exactly what many people want.

>>17500605
Those people need to be publicly shamed for wanting the wrong thing then.

>>17500610
Good luck with that

>>17499841
You are doomed

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>>17500586

>If she weren't lying, she could have answered the OP's inquiries honestly

>Her dodging the question about her own condition makes me question her honesty and the truthfulness of her tale.

Yes because rape victims are infamously well balanced, open and honest about answering questions about their attack, especially to people who start the conversation by asking them if it was their fault that they were raped.

If you'd like to try an experiment I'll send someone over to your house to get you drunk and ass rape you and then in a few weeks I'll send another stranger to question you about the circumstances and imply that it was your fault and we'll just make a note of how willing and cheery you are to explain to this person in vivid detail all the ways in which it wasn't your fault.

>Or do you want to enable lying cunts?

I think the issue isn't that she's a lying cunt but you want so desperately to believe that she is. The truth is she didn't provide any information, you're just filling in the gaps with an interpretation that fits your narrative and wondering why everyone isn't jumping on the "fuck the lying cunt" train.

Also, lets stop pretending like you and people like you are taking part in this this because you feel you have some moral obligation to expose liars and dedicate your lives to the truth.

You do it because you're a small man who likes thinking he's right and who likes belittling people. Thats it. This whole "I hate liars and care about real victims" ploy is a sack of shit and you know it.

>>17500585

Thats the silliest fucking thing I've ever heard.

Being drunk is not an invitation to get raped. I can't imagine looking a girl who got raped in the face and saying "maybe you shouldn't of been drunk." Like, what the fuck dude?

The saddest part is that you have a mother out there somewhere and you actually think like this.

looking for attention and got upset when she didn't get any. The other option is that she is literally retarded and should be in rehab rather than in a college campus.

>If you'd like to try an experiment I'll send someone over to your house to get you drunk and ass rape you and then in a few weeks I'll send another stranger to question you
Threatening violence and rape to those who don't agree with you! Splendid. That's a real feminist. No wonder you get along so well with muslims, you employ the same terror tactics.

FYI I was raped as a 4 year old child by my uncle. I never brought it up with anyone except my boyfriend once I was comfortable enough to share it with him, and I answered his questions calmly and truthfully. So sorry your experiment already took place and I already proved you wrong.

>the issue isn't that she's a lying cunt
Oh, she is. She provided plenty information so. Chatting up a stranger about something that is extremely personal, dodging questions about details. That's a lying cunt all right.

>you're a small man
I'm a grown woman, retard. Also, nice defending a liar while accusing others of lying with no basis to.

>>17500648
You are responsible for the decisions you make while drunk. That is not the same as being raped.

>>17499949
Nah I agree with you. Fact is no one, not even OP, knows the whole story. We're basing her experience off of what one socially retarded kid said.

>>17500677
That's for >>17500640
And it cut off the first part of my comment, which was:

>rape victims are infamously well balanced, open and honest about answering questions about their attack
She was open and honest enough to chat up a random stranger about something extremely personal.

Then suddenly for no reason she's no longer open and honest, right when she sees the conversation is not going the way she expected, and gets upset about this? That's an attention whore all right. She was an attention whore looking for attention and got upset when she didn't get any. The other option is that she is literally retarded and should be in rehab rather than in a college campus.

>>17500696
If no one knows the whole story then why should anyone be forced to give her a pity party and believe her every word as if one knew for sure she is telling nothing but the truth?

>>17500706
Because OP is in college and starting to get to know his dorm mates. Even if the girl is lying, it's not a good idea to dig through all her lies and expose her because then you just look like an asshat to the rest of the dorm.

>>17500716
Why would it make him look like an asshat? Exposing people who lie about rape is a good thing. People who lie about being raped do nothing but damage those who speak the truth.

>>17500729
Yes, lying about rape is bad. But making a scene in public is bad for OP's social reputation. When OP's dorm mates come over and see what all the commotion is about, who do you think they're going to side with? The crying girl or OP?

It wasn't like OP was being accused of rape, so he had no personal stake in the girl's situation. It's better to let sleeping dogs lie.

>>17500764
It seems incredibly unfair and a huge injustice to me that one is allowed to act like entitled attention whore and demand strangers throw her a pity party at her whim or else.

>who do you think they're going to side with?
OP just needs a woman to speak up for him. I'm a woman myself and I can tell you when it's two females fighting the dorm mates or the coworkers or any male in general who is not personally involved with said females do not dare to pick a side.

>>17499841
Anon don't worry it will blow over in a few weeks, collages are full of liberal ideology these days and I would recommend not conversing with others on controversial topics. Fuck them and focus on your studies, your there to build your future not make friends.

Out of interest what are you studying?

>>17500792
Also you could match her victim status by saying your autistic and apologize this might stop the damage spreading further as you would have a reason to be understood. Just a thought.

I must add also,

If she was truly raped I doubt she would be telling someone she barley knows and the fact she did so early on says to me she is just looking for attention, whether her "rape" was legitimate or not this is not a typical reaction of a rape victim.

>>17500791
>OP just needs a woman to speak up for him
Yeah, I agree. It's just how it is; people tend to side with women.

Sometimes you just have to keep your head down, especially if you're in a new environment and don't have a social circle yet.

"If I left my doors unlocked and my valuables get stolen, I let it happen. It still shouldn't happen, and I don't deserve to have it happen, but I allowed it to happen."

Done.

>>17500875
The problem is that comparison opens the way for unfair treatment and oppression on the other extreme, such as people justifying rape because one was dressed or not dressed a certain way, despite one's clothes not and never being an invitation for rape, or saying she deserved it because she was out minding her business and not locked up inside like a slave.

>>17500911
>people justifying rape because one was dressed or not dressed a certain way
Hahahahahahahahaha
>Your Honor, I only did it because yoga pants drive me wild
>Defendant, are you out of your fucking mind?

>>17500925
>Your honor, I only did it because I am not used to seeing women dressed in these clothes, back in my country they all dress like good modest muslims. My religion says women who do not dress like muslims are sluts and are asking for it. It was a sexual emergency. It's racist to convict me
>Oh well then that's completely understandable, wouldn't want to be racist here

Already happened.

>>17500925
You mean that time when arab and african men raped thousands of German women in Cologne because they were dressed like Germans and acting like Germans and the police tried to cover it up because they didn't want to look racist?

I guess the sexual emergencies excuse only works if you're not white though. You're right, if a white man said yoga pants made him do it everyone would do laugh. If it were a muslim arab they would take him seriously and say we need to accomodate muslims more.

>>17500978
We must be culturally sensitive toward our muslim friends!

>>17500925

You make it a joke but the behavior of the accused is most certainly brought up in rape trials. What she was wearing, whether she was drunk, how many boyfriends she's had.

Its a defense attorney's job to discredit the accuser and make her look like a drunk whore to the jury.

So yes, what she was wearing is actually an argument in court. If she was wearing a skimpy dress out at a club a good defense attorney can and will attempt to convince a jury that she was just some trashy slut who had sex and then regretted it.

>>17500679

>You are responsible for the decisions you make while drunk. That is not the same as being raped.

Someone raping you is not a decision you make, asshat.

>>17500677

>Also, nice defending a liar while accusing others of lying with no basis to.

I wonder why you're so motivated to think this girl is a liar. All you know is that she was drunk and claims someone raped her. That is ALL you know about the situation yet you are so convinced she's a liar?

That's real strange. I didn't know you were a psychic. Cool power though.

>Threatening violence and rape to those who don't agree with you! Splendid.

Is english your first language? I think you're not understanding the parable. You sound like a real dumdum though.

>No wonder you get along so well with muslims

I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean. You're being weird.

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>>17500704

>right when she sees the conversation is not going the way she expected, and gets upset about this?

You mean when OP asks her if being raped was actually her fault? Yeah, I can imagine most people getting pretty upset about that.

I think the issue here is not whether or not she was actually raped but that you seem absolutely desperate to convince everyone (or yourself) that this girl is lying garbage when you literally have no proof except for OP's lame 6 sentence summary of a situation.

You took his story, filled in the cracks with your own view of what happened and now you're all bent out of shape that not everyone sees it the way you do? Thats a little fishy.

The fact that you're so desperate to label her as a liar and an attention whore says more about your own motivations than it does OP or the girl.

You always have to wonder what someone's deal is when they're so aggressively invested into one interpretation of an event that they are only able to defend it with insults and high-horsing.

You sound more like an angry mob than a reasonable person willing to look at evidence objectively and entertain even for a slight moment that you might be wrong about even one of the hundred assumptions that you've made about this situation.

Real fishy indeed.

>>17499841
next time you find you've wandered into a mine field, try navigating back the way you came instead of flailing forward while slapping the ground with a stick.

>>17499841
We all know men are unable to control their dicks. They're the real victims! They should be compensated for having to fuck any woman in yoga pants they see. It's not their fault they can't resist. I'm thinking of opening a no profit association to support victims of induced rape

>>17501033
>All you know is that she was drunk and claims someone raped her
And I have no good reason to believe her claims.

>I think you're not understanding the parable
You threatened someone with violence and rape. You don't even understand your own threats.

>You're being weird.
You're being dumb.

>>17501050
>I can imagine most people getting pretty upset about that
I cannot. I was raped, and I did not get upset by questions as I knew what the truth was. Plus he did ask if it was actually her fault; he asked whether she was black out drunk or she was still cognitive when it happened. That's a legitimate question to ask, and she sounds like she doesn't want to tell the truth about it.

>Real fishy indeed
The same could be same about you, being so intent to paint her as innocent angel despite you having no proof to, wanting to force everyone to believe her accusations without any proof that she is telling the proof, and her own behaviour being fishy and inconsistent. Why? Do you hate men? Do you think women should be allowed to falsely accuse people of rape despite the terrible consequences of this and despite the fact accusing someone of a crime they did not commit is a crime itself? Do you think one is not entitled to their own opinion and should be subservient to anyone who starts demanding attention of them or risk lose their job and education?

That's seriously twisted and absurd of you.

You are the reason why women are not taken seriously in rape cases.

>>17501616
*he did not ask

>>17500220
>I want to talk with a total stranger about my traumatic experiences
>Not the bits that might make my story seem fabricated though, just the stuff that'll get me sympathy

>>17499841
OP remember this:

Truth does not fear examination.

>>17499841
You don't. You fucked up. You're now a malevolent social autistlord retard in the eyes of your peers. Congratulations. You've killed yourself metaphorically in a moment. The girl who opened up to you probably liked you on some level. Also, you took a stand on a literal non-issue in the worst conceivable way. Yes, fake rape claims suck. But you should take a woman at her word. You've fucked up irreparably. Sorry, man. Better luck next time. In other words, I'd look to move to another dorm and then transfer out ASAP. Seriously, there is no way to make this right. In your own dorm even? Fuck man. You emphatically destroyed any chance at ever getting laid by anyone you live with let alone dating anyone. I mean...forget getting a handy while watching a movie. Hell...forget even having a friendly girl to watch a movie with. You think any guys want to be your friend? "Psst. There goes the creepy asshole right now!" Nah dude, no one wants an albatross.

This is a fake thread, right? All these posts are fake right and I can't be fucked to read all of them. This is like that old Dave Chapelle sketch when 'keeping it real goes horribly wrong' or whatever.

Did you forget that you were in real life? Did you forget that you weren't anonymously shit posting on the Internet?

Someone pls respond. Or OP, omg.

Is this thread just OP arguing with people who are, for the most part, well-meaning, well-intentioned, and well-informed? I sure hope not, but if so enjoy college OP. It's only going to get worse from here. You can be right and you can be the most inquisitive, but you can also be a pariah. And unfortunately college is the one place you don't want to be a pariah.

someone summarize this mess pls as impartially as possible

>>17500169
This.

>>17501752
>A girl OP barely even knows decideds she needs to tell him about her dubious rape story
>Rather than going "mmhmmm" and proceeding to ignore her OP decides to question her and ends up looking bad as a result

>>17500235
QFT

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>>17501718
Women are barely sentient who gives a shit

If it wasn't for their pussy nobody would talk to them

>>17499841
If someone you just met tells you they got raped, fucking avoid him/her. Normal people don't do that shit, perpetually self-pitying people do. If you're on their radar they'll find a way to make a bad guy out of you, too.

>>17500567
Spot on.

>>17501743
>>17501718
All this fear-mongering for no reason.
OP you'll do fine. Choose your friends wisely and stick with them, ignore the rest.

>>17501779
Let's not be actively dishonest with the poor guy. We don't know where he goes to school. If he goes to Ohio State or Texas or Minnesota or some other big ass university, then he's golden. He can just recess into the background and it's whatever.

But I have feeling OP goes to a smaller, more intimate school. I hope I am wrong. But he probably thought the SJW learning community was a good idea for his first year experience but is quickly learning it sucks.

>>17499841
>How do I fix this.

By admitting that you were an asshole, apologizing to the girl, and trying to use your college experience to learn something and grow up.

I'm a guy, not much of a feminist, but even I know that No means NO whenever and under whatever circumstances it is said. Courts have established that a drunken yes can mean No.

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>>17501832
>Courts have established that a drunken yes can mean No.

This is why you Americucks are going to end up like the movie Idiocracy sooner than expected.

The problem here is about Op trying to start an argument about someone who claims being raped and blaming alcohol and the unlucky guy who thought was getting hooked up, instead of taking responsibility for her poor decisions. Op should have just ignored the comment and avoid talking to that person from that point on. Trying to pick an argument with a bunch of extremely liberal college idiots isn't going to resolve a thing.

>>17501718
>Yes, fake rape claims suck. But you should take a woman at her word.
You really must be retarded.

>Women can (and do) lie
>but you should take them for their word

Just lol.

>>17501882
OP irreparably fucked himself, my fedora wearing friend. You can project all the impotent edge lord rage you want, but that won't save him from being a Social Darwin Award winner.

>>17501867
For what it's worth, the same court judgments were made in Britain, Germany and the Netherlands.

>>17501934
What he said makes sense.

Sure, other people will try to punish him for telling the truth, but that doesn't change it.

>>17501938
For example>17500567
While I don't disagree with OP's spirit, he could not have chosen a worse thing to make a stand on. When I was in college, the rape accusation was a golden cow. I can only imagine now in light of mattress girl. He should've just nodded and looked for a quick escape. Obviously this girl is fucking crazy. You meet a lot of thin skinned cunts in college, from the staff to the students. In all honesty, he's probably made an enemy or two and soon enough it'll blow over. That doesn't mean shit can't go wrong in the hyper PC college milieu.

>>17501946
Why should he bow down? It is the truth. He was right to question there. At least she will know that not everyone is a cucked retard who will just agree with her in fear of being pushed back in line by the mob. Realistically, what can they do? Jack fucking shit. So what if everyone on the dorm hates you? What does that matter? You are there to learn.

>>17501958
He's a young, impressionable, fearful retard himself seeking validation hence making this thread. Our validation won't matter once his dorm mates and peers outright reject him. This shit does matter. Why do people pretend that college isn't about soft skills, networking and reputation? It's a finishing school. Yeah he's there to learn poverty and basket weaving and whatever other poverty studies he's majoring, but he's there to make connections and to develop himself socially. Unless he's at Kettering or Rose-Hulman or Colorado School of Mines, the reality is he'll be beset. Whatever the case I hope one of his dorm mates can clap on him on the shoulder and say he did a stand up thing. Hopefully he can rise in esteem somehow amongst his peers but I just don't see it playing out well for him. The fact he turned to us means he lacks the skill set to turn this into a win.

>>17501968
> Why do people pretend that college isn't about soft skills, networking and reputation? It's a finishing school.
Because it isn't. If I finished my school with soft skills, networking and reputation without knowing what I'm supposed to know (CS, EE, whatever), It would be useless.

Letting people bully you for not ignoring their bullshit makes you a retard. And read OP again, she said that it doesn't matter if she was black out drunk. What a fucking retard would say that. Women nowadays consider sex while drunk to be rape. Which is bullshit.

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>>17501937
I'm sure those countries are not far behind in cuckery. Just look at how the Muslims are literally raping European women and some have the gall to call it a "cultural differences and/or misunderstanding". Anyways just wanted to leave my unwanted two cents.

Btw to those idiots saying op is a guy, read the thread first you cucktards, op is a femanon

>>17501973
It doesn't really matter whether she had one drink or a million drinks or zero drinks. A woman can seriously withdraw consent after the fact anyway. The system is fucked but that's the way it is. I don't fundamentally disagree with you, but the house is stacked against the dude anyway. In fact, I'm in agreement. She wasn't even bullying him at the time until he opened his yap. Or whatever the other bitch that chimed in said. My point is entirely different from your point. My point is that he's made unnecessary enemies and women do talk and are like a union and in our age of social networking shits worse. Shes obviously a nutcase if she casually discusses being raped. I hope for his sake it blows over. I'd like an update. Don't think those nazi RAs wouldn't have a sit down meeting about sensitivity.

>>17501981
That's just it. Is OP fem? I thought I read that but wasn't sure...

>>17501984
>A woman can seriously withdraw consent after the fact anyway.
That's bullshit and you know it. Moreso when there is no way for the man to actually know if she withdrew consent. Much less prove it.

>The system is fucked but that's the way it is.
And that's why OP is justified to speaking out against it.

>My point is that he's made unnecessary enemies and women do talk and are like a union and in our age of social networking shits worse.
They have no actual power. They can talk bad about you, insult you, gossip, but that's all really. That means absolutely fucking nothing.

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>>17501990
It's total horseshit. But it does happen and it gains traction. I am not the author or the designer of America's failed court system. I think in light of her (?) speaking out she has a brass set of ovaries. I'm not sure how it'll effect things. Women can be very cruel, so I'm more interested in this outcome now as OP is a woman (?) I doubt we'll hear anything, but who's to say.

>>17501832
>Drunken yes means no
Why does no one take responsibility when drunk? If you willingly get drunk, you willingly cloud your own judgement. Thats your own fault.

>>17501832
Drunken yes can mean no? And what if both of the people were drunk? Which one is at fault? The woman or the man?

According to your logic, they should both be charged with raping the other.

>You have to accept everything a woman says to you, otherwise you're the bad guy
Why do you accept and allow this? Because of situations like this, just thinking of having to make any interaction with people in US scares me. Every conversation is like a minefield, you don't know what's the trigger, what's the "go batshit crazy" button and you have to keep the talk as simple as possible. It's literally making people avoid having more complex discussions because of fear of public shaming, and it's equal to dumbing down people.
Not only that, thanks to people like the posters in this thread that stand by the girl, you actually managed to change the meaning of rape from "a forced, violent sexual intercourse" to "an unwanted behavior towards a woman". You make people that were drugged or taken by force in a dark alley at night and fucked EQUAL to people that regret their last night because the guy was not as great as he seemed to be or she didn't came enough in bed. That's fucking inhuman, you're bringing attention higher in the hierarchy than compassion. You made "rape" your trigger word because it WAS a serious problem. From now, when people will hear a person was raped they'll think "oh, now she must really hate that guy she slept with, sucks to be him" instead of "oh god, that's horrible, she must've been through so much pain".
It's disgusting. I spit on all people that made rape trivial.

>>17502018
I want to expatriate for reasons some of which you've mentioned.

>>17502001
>Why does no one take responsibility when drunk?
Shhh, don't say things like that anon! Drinking is a perfectly good and responsible social activity that should be completely legal and respected! It's those icky gross DRUGS you should worry about!
Just one needle of marijuana is enough to kill your entire family and rape your 2nd grade teacher! Drink alcohol like a nice, responsible adult, and anyone who criticizes you or blames you for it are in the wrong!

>>17502018
(cont.)
Also, you americans are fucked up in the head. By making up shit like "woman's drunken yes means no" or even "a woman can go back on her consent at any time" not only you make women seem like a fucking baby or a pet animal, you also make them a walking ticking bomb, a death hazard. Who in the right mind would want to interact with someone that could destroy your life in any moment, just because she feels like it?

"B-B-B-BUT ANON, you just have to RESPECT her!". Right, I just have to be a fucking slave, take her word as undeniable and respect her every wish. That's not a human-human relationship anymore.