Are men supposed to be racist?

>>17476334
Racists feel guilty about being racist around people who would call them out on it. This build tension that they seek to release by sharing exaggerations of their views in private.

Women are pressured more by society to be polite. Racism is seen as the ultimate act of impoliteness. Some women don't play by these rules and behave in the same manner I described above.

I know lots of guys that hate racism myself included but it is human nature to make downward comparisons in response to stress. Conceptually placing someone below yourself makes you feel more important and expressing this can ease a lot of tension. Racism is truly a sign of an unhealthy mind.

>>17476362
What can I do about it?

>>17476369
Care more about your own values than those of others. If you think that racism is appalling it would be a shame if you betrayed the notion to fit in with other men. It may be lonely but in the long run you'll be glad you stayed true to yourself.

>>17476362
>sign of an unhealthy mind

I agree with you but I don't know how to get rid of it. I'm not op but I really would like some help ;(

>>17476385
I think meditation would help. It strips away emotional baggage, dissociates you from your stress, and stops your brain from becoming attached to compulsive thoughts e.g. racism.

>>17476334
Whenever women aren't around men get the rare luxury of male bonding, thwteans acting with honesty and without having to watch out for the old ball and chain.
My dad was never around either and even when he was he is the most pussified thing in the world, however I enjoy being able to have a beer and take have at each other and laugh at things that aren't exactly politically correct because we are blunt and we don't bother about hurting each others sensitivity and that feels great.
I remember this character design class we had and once we where half the class and only men and we talked about things like we wanted a female model to come next for realistic drawing and for her to have big tits and stuff like that.
Nobody likes a killjoy, if you aren't comfortable with it you belong with the girls

>>17476334
they probably aren't serious
Seeing as you just admitted you didn't have male friends before, it makes sense why this would shock you.
The vast majority of racial banter me and my mates do is to poke fun at things we couldn't otherwise get away with. None of us mean it when we say "Gas the kikes" or "Spics are subhuman"
Its just the removal of inhibition, when people are wound up so much of course when they wind down they are going to seem uncouth.
if you are saying their might be a kernel of truth to what they are saying and their feelings, you are correct but its only a small amount.
Most people don't commit crimes that are racially motivated, there's no harm in discussing the negative qualities of a race and exaggerating them.
But its just that, an exaggeration.

>>17476378
But what can I DO? I don't think it's good for me to exclusively interact with women. I don't want to be like dad was.

>>17476406
So killing niggers it is, then?

>>17476334
>Wen don't hate
No, everyone hates and the ones who don't hate are indifferent. The difference is that girls when among girls police each other and act like a flock while men in men company are completely open and friendly.

>>17476407
But I'm not racist.

I'm gay, though. Can I just talk about wanting to kill and rape them and their brothers?

>>17476362
Kek
Nobody feels guilty around you, they know you are a monumental bitch so when they have to spend time around you they watch what they say to not deal with the shitstorm

>>17476393
>>17476393

What about my preference for it cuck porn


Do you think I can get rid of it? Or is there a way I can come to accept it?

Also, I'm always thinking that ,supposing I did accept it, that if my future partner started watching it with me she would develop a list or "addiction" to black men exclusively. It's hard to explain and I don't think it's necessarily true but it feels true in some promote part of my brain. Do you thinks counts as a compulsive thought? This stuff is really fucking with me. Another thing I should mention is that I see my future partner as being white and when I imagine any other race in the scenario I described it doesn't bother me nearly as much. Also, I myself am not even white

>>17476420

Interracial cuck porn*

>>17476410
if you think its racist to say the word "nigger" around a group of presumably white dudes who don't give a shit, you obviously don't know the meaning of the word.
Spend more time around them and get used to the banter, once you finally stop getting triggered hearing the word 'nigger', add your own racial innuendos.

It doesn't have to be as racist or as blunt, but if you really want to bond with other men you have to play the game.

>>17476408
Have they killed niggers?
Did you get close enough to them to get invited to the nigger hunt?
You are Jerry as oh shit there is Jerry, everyone act cool I will figure out how to ditch him
Pretending to be perfect and polite and correct is not masculine and not a thing men do, men would rather hang out with a piece of shit that chomps down beer and burgers like there is no tomorrow than with the perfect archduke provided he is funny and laid back because men don't want to fuck other men (we'll some do but that's another thing).
If you don't like it you can hangh out with the girls because it is you who is in the wrong

>>17476426
this

>>17476334
No

>>17476410
Congratulations, I'm bi and I'm not a faggot or a little bitch

>>17476413
I don't ever make a scene. I just choose not to reward the behavior with a laugh. After a moment I'll either go about my business or change the subject if we were having a good conversation. Some don't care but often you can see shame in their eyes.

>>17476433
Oh boy, I bet that when you where born instead of spanking your but the nurse slapped your mom. I can feel the pain in everyone's life when they are around you even tho I never met them

>>17476439
What are you so mad about?

>>17476440
I'm not it's just people like you make me appreciate being single a lot more

>>17476369
Uh, just realize that people are individuals and that an entire race isn't a "hivemind"? And that one bad seed doesn't represent everyone in a group?

I dunno man, start listening to more ethnic music and ethnic media in general. You'll soon enough just become desensitized to minorities and finally actually see them as your equal. Additionally, you have to ACTIVELY deny all racist thoughts in your head.

>>17476442
If you hold the right to disparage others as something this close to your identity I'm sure the world appreciates you being single as well.

>>17476447
Hey I'm not actually looking to settle but if that's a proposal maybe you can be my jungle girlfriend. Are you ready to get rapety-raped?

>>17476409
>>The difference is that girls when among girls police each other and act like a flock

>Be at club
>Dance with girl for a little bit
>She retreats to her friends for a sec
>They're pointing and looking at me
>Her friends give her the thumbs up
>She comes back to dance with me
>Her friends literally cheer her on as she's twerking on me at one point "Woo you go Becky"
>(but to be fair, her twerking skills were pretty insane and did deserve applause)

You might have a point.

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>>17476452
As long as you're fine with getting a nice hairy slab of man-ass.

>>17476425
>if you think its racist to say the word "nigger" around a group of presumably white dudes who don't give a shit, you obviously don't know the meaning of the word.

So it means "faggot white males who are too pussy to talk shit in public"?

>>17476461
Hey what do you think jungle girlfriends are for?

>>17476466
Its more like people who prefer to keep their shit to themselves and their inner circle

>>17476425
It's not the word that makes me uncomfortable as much as openly cheerfully admitting you'd commit murder if you could.

The prospect of recreational violence over arbitrary reasons makes me uncomfortable.

>>17476426
Can I just carry around a big hammer and break peoples' fingers if they say disgusting things?

If they are going to make me uncomfortable I am going to make them uncomfortable.

>>17476445
I don't HAVE racist thoughts. I may be reserved towards people and peoples I don't have a fluent mutual language with, or who may regard themselves as having a reason to be hostile towards ME, but I don't regard keeping my distance as the same thing as going out of my way to find conflict.

I just generally dislike the idea of making jokes about murder and death of people who are getting killed for real over this kind of shit.

>>17476478
Sure thing, there won't be anyone around you in the first place anyways

>>17476478
>The prospect of recreational violence over arbitrary reasons makes me uncomfortable

>Can I just carry around a big hammer and break peoples' fingers if they say disgusting things

Perfect example of double think, you are more violent than most of my friends get at their worst

>>17476478
>cheerfully admitting you'd commit murder if you could
except they wouldn't, you are just being a bitch as I can see from your second response

>If they are going to make me uncomfortable I am going to make them uncomfortable
.
Thats not how conversation works.
Your uncomfortable because you are insecure, its not because they are intentionally making you feel uncomfortable, right? If you actively try to make people in a group uncomfortable you aren't going to make friends, you are the one who needs to assimilate, or opt out your choice.

You are insecure because you have never been around men in a platonic way as you said in the OP.

There is no "prospect of recreational violence" because a joke has no prospects. Because when you joke about something in such a way you admit its an unlikelihood.
Its how men blow off steam, you just need more time around them.

>>17476485
>doublethink
I never got my hands on that book so I'm not going to start drawing conclusions that may or may not be accurate. I don't think it's a double standard, though.

If they are going to make violence an element of the environment we spend time in, I see why I would not ensure that the majority of it comes from me. If I gotta be scared of them, they'd better be scared of me.

>>17476495
He is too radicalised, it's pointless. You don't make friends with the enemy and in this case the enemy is human nature.
Go protest hate, but really there are people out there equally disgusting as you and we'll everyone deserves to make their own happiness go to colleges or move to hipster areas and you will fit right in, remember to bring your opinion refuting hammer to hurt those who make you uncomfortable so everyone can see you are just like them

>>17476499
It's the art of claiming to things that refute each other as both truths, water can't be hot and cold at the same time and you can't be uncomfortable by the idea of imaginary violence while claiming you want to hurt people with a hammer for thinking different than you as a way of relieving stress and well expressing deep hatred

>>17476499
Also nobody is making violence an element of the environment you spend time in, they are making it part of the environment they spend time in.
You don't control action neither do you control thought ultimately the choice to leave is yours and that your only choice hammerman

>>17476334
Men are oriented outwards to maintain boundaries and secure resources. Women are oriented inwards towards keeping the tribe together by maintaining memories and providing an atmosphere of shame.
Women do not have boundaries and men do not shame.

>>17476362
>The sign of an unhealthy mind
I don't see what's unhealthy about observing patterns and noticing that evolution might occur above the neck. Is this a troll?

>>17476425
This. I sit next to a Jew who talks about being banned from Reddit for posting Israeli war crimes footage to Arab subreddits. Today, I titled our presentation "Auschwitz Had a Piano: Inconvenient Truths and Judeo-Bolshevism". The Lebanese girl who sits beside us laughs along at the same kind of stuff.
Yet we're also okay with the idea of our country becoming a vassal state to China, and I'm learning Mandarin.
Racism =/= hate, =/= serious, =/= violent.
A lot of it is also countersignaling, which indicates that people are close because you know the other person doesn't literally, fully believe what they're saying.

>>17476507
If they talk about killing people at work, my workplace has hostile talk in it.

I'd very much prefer to know I don't spend eight hours of my day every day around people who'd consider doing violence before I'm absolutely certain they would never dare to consider doing it towards me.

>>17476509
It's funny because racism can only be violent in flock mentality and the solution to racism apparently is flock mentality.
Human beings
They do not learn

>>17476515
Presumably they don't actually mean that they're planning to commit murder, which means that they're joking around. If you believe that they are actually planning to murder people, you're either incorrect, or you've stumbled into one of the rare to nonexistant workplaces where people openly discuss their plans to murder. To me, it sounds like you're being histrionic m7. This may be due to usually being in an environment where your feelings are considered to always be valid, rather than a distortion on reality.

>>17476515
Let's try this again
You
Are hostile
You are violent
You are hateful.
But if you want to deny it and maintain a charade of being better than you are there is nothing like acussing others of your own sin to cleanse yourself I guess.
Its one thing if they are openly yelling racist slurs in the office which is not professional but that's not the case is it? You got close to them in their own privacy and intimacy in their own space and their own time and you spied on them to run to mommy and tell on them. Go ahead and do so you will be lonelier than ever because they have friends unlike you

>>17476516
I'm sorry mate, I've not understood. Could you elaborate?

>>17476525
Ideology, ideas, thoughts, concepts can never be wrong and cam never be banned.
It's methods which should be forbidden, if you ban racism then sexism becomes ok or racism changes to mean only perpetuated by whites.
If you ban violent persecution you get rid of the problem all together

>>17476524
I don't like being in the presence of hostility or violence.

However, if I end up in the presence of people who are or can be hostile, I will respond with hostility.

I prefer not to, and therefore it would be very nice if the hostility was not introduced in the first place.

Recreationally making the world a worse place to live by fanning up racial paranoia really is not a nice thing to be doing.

>>17476547
stop fucking creating it then you brainwashed freak is violence your mantra? do you want to kill the killers and rape the rapists too?
fucking hell
you are a fucking handful you know that?
racism isnt ilegal, you dont have more right to comfort than i have to free speech and if you dont want to hear something its easier for you to shut your ears or go away than making 20 people shut up, no wonder you only feel comfortable around a group thats willing to bend over to your every will as long as you do the same for them, you fucking authoritarian freedom and democracy hating sperg

>>17476547
Hostility and violence are part of life*. In this case they're not directed at you, and they're extremely minimal (pretty much hypothetical as far as I can tell).
You're not really owning any of your responses to the situation, which is disempowering you.
Maybe you could be more specific about the fanning of racial paranoia?

*For example, the state is an organisation that has successfully monopolised violence in an area to the point where it can tell people what to do and be obeyed.

>>17476547
If you are OP, which I presume you are
You are too dense.

Just stick with women who buy wholesale the "words make the world a worse place" bullshit.
Be just like your dad, because clearly you can't overcome your insecurities.

>>17476547
>i want to hang out with them
>but i want them to only do what i like doing
>and say what i like listening to
>and if they dont i want the power to punish them
>and i want to be able to exclude them for being themselves and acting the way tey like to act when im not around
in what fucking world?
you are fucking insane, go back to kindergarden, you need to be taught personal space

>>17476566
he clearly wants to make evryone as insecure and unhappy as he is.
Are you looking for friends or enemys op?

>>17476564
>Maybe you could be more specific about the fanning of racial paranoia?
Things are easy to take out of context.

Members of racial group A make casual jokes about raping and murdering racial group B. Occasional members of group B hear them. They become increasingly aware that being hostile towards group B is casual, normative and accepted among A.

In return, members of group B make casual jokes about raping and murdering racial group A, as a way of coping and relaxing. Occasional members of group A hear them. They become increasingly aware that being hostile towards group A is casual, normative and accepted among B.

Then an idiot outlier of one group or another does something stupid to a member of another, and no matter how much you tell people that this person was an idiot and an outlier, the lines have already been blurred.

You think all those pink-haired SJW's talking about killing men make men who hate women in any way less reserved towards the female sex?

>>17476583
I see your point, but the opposite can also happen. The crude racial jokes can bring us together and make us see that they're ridiculous in individual cases.

>>17476583
Yeah, no. That doesn't happen like that at all.
Becoming radicalised is something you do out of choice and you do it because national other people is fun and you can blame them for each and every single one of your own shortcomings.
I can assure you group a is just fucking joking and group b doesn't just joke to relax, they go out, they buy guns, they sucker punch people in the streets and all sorth of awful shit

>>17476592
You've never been a minority anywhere, have you?

>>17476596
Haha
I'm going to let you in on a secret. Anyone can become a radicalised extremist but when your best friend is a radicalised e xtemist you are twice as likely and when your mom is one too you are three times as likely and so on.
Because it's a fucking epidemic, it's an epidemic in college and its an epidemic in the ghetto.
There are racist white men, absolutely, when your friends jokes about nigger this, nigger that you laugh at it but when you find out he goes to bars to pick fights with black men you tell him to either change or if k off because white people as a whole are against that shit but the same can't be said about blacks, sure there are good,thinking black men who would rather live a good life that die in some shooting, the black community calls the uncle Tom's and houseniggers

>>17476596
Holy shit let this thread archive

You are beyond delusional OP

>>17476605
I should probably mention I am not an american, and neither is anyone I talk and work with.

Things are different in the furthest corners of Europe. Our blacks, arabs and whatever the rest of them are don't have a history here. They weren't raised by parents whose parents taught them how to deal with being a minority and a stranger in a strange land.

You put someone in an environment they don't fucking know fuck-all about, nobody tells them the game rules, and someone drops by like OH BTW THE LOCALS WANT TO MURDER YOU, I honestly don't feel safe being a part of a majority who does that shit.

I understand just playing nice isn't the way of human nature, and that we are built and constructed to cause pain, suffering and horror to each other, but I still dislike the idea of fanning the start of a fucking race war in a country I have no legal means to obtain firearms.

>>17476596
If you want the world to change.
Change yourself and invite the world to change with you.
If you really are against racial hate more racial hate won't fix anything, if it's only an excuse to hate everyone then own up to it

>>17476614
Your argument holds no weight when we live in a world where second generation migrants born in Europe go out in shooting sprees.
Human beings are human being, we all share the same weakness, we all struggle, we all get tempted

>>17476615
I am OP, and a white man.

I do not see why experiencing discomfort at witnessing other white men expressing racial hostility is racial hate.

I am enraged and frightened and willing to do things to make it stop.

OP you're generalizing all men as racist based on a bad experience you had with a few men. I'm a guy and i'm not racist and I don't know anybody else who is either.

>>17476614

>We are built and constructed to cause pain, suffering and horror to each other.
Yet most fucking don't and the majority that do do it out of either love or self hate

>>17476334
I don't have time to hate a particular race, so I hate everyone.

>>17476334
No, it's not exclusive to men. Women can be racist too. Racism does have to be learned though, and you are better off for not being taught it. The people you encounter in your life are in your parents' thanks.

However, you have probably learned covert forms of racism, as these are everywhere.

>Are men supposed to be racist?
No, but you can be. That's freedom, nigga.

>Was somebody supposed to teach you
No. Imo i think it's fine what others say as long as they don't put their hands on me. I dont give a fuck if someone calls me a spic or beaner and I dont give a fuck if someone calls someone else nigga or cracker.
It's one thing being around your family and friends and sharing funny racist jokes or calling each other nigga, it's another thing when youre around strangers angrily shouting "you dirty nigger!" i think you arent able to tell the difference just yet.

>does this happen every where
i think so. unless your or someone else's family are 7th Heaven tier. i think everyone is a little racist, but not that mean kind where they want to hang someone just because theyre black.

before i met my husband i was shocked to hear him call his family members "nigga" and "beaner". i eventually got over it and started calling him the same names sometimes. i even call my mom "beans" or my neice "baby beans". my neice doesnt repeat these words because she simply doesnt want to. she has that choice just like you have a choice to walk away or ignore the people saying this stuff.

>>17476334
Men are supposed to be aggressively protective, which, yes, involves being suspicious of people who are part of another group.
Just don't let shit go off the rails, raging over kikes and coons all day.

>>17476800
Yeah, but we're not talking about minorities laughing at themselves. We're talking about 5 white dudes talking about killing niggers.