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How to sleep with over 100 women?

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I'm 23 and a dude. I've had sex with 46 girls in my life, and I want to hit 100 before I hit 30.

Anyone here have over 80-100 sex partners? How have your perceptions of life changed? Do you feel enlightened or dirty?
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>>17461766
Keep fucking whores, I'm sure you'll hit your mark.

The whole 'notch on mah belt' as a reason for having sex is pretty fucking lame though, homie.
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>>17461766
I used to be a loser. Now I'm a loser that has had a LOT of sex. As for numbers, I'm not sure anymore, I seriously lost count after about 25


I can tell you this though, what made me realize my potential was getting a job in sales. Car sales.

You see, it's all a numbers game. Talk to more customers, you get more sales. Period. More = more, every time.

The problem most guys have, is once they talk to a girl, and they get rejected, they think they did something wrong. They think "well maybe if I change something..."

Then they spend all this time trying to be different.

THAT IS NOT HOW YOU DO IT.

You stay the same, man. And you talk to as many girls as you can. All the time. Everywhere. All of them. And the majority of the time... you fail. I'd say with me it's like 95% of the time. But I talk to at least 2-3 NEW girls (seriously hitting on them) a day.

One thing to remember: winning is easy. Losing takes practice. And practice makes perfect.
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What's the point in investing this much energy in fucking different women? It can't actually be that satisfying because there's no way they're all high quality. It seems like some bizarre narcissism.
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>>17462623
>women
>high quality

Faggot get off your high horse. It's not like you don't fuck because you're above it. You're just a faggot and no girls like you.
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>>17462649
No, I just use my time in other ways rather than hitting on girls just because they're girls.
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>>17462652
And then you bitch at people who don't do what you do.

>stop liking what I don't like
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>>17462683
Rekt 10/10
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>>17462683
I wasn't bitching. I was genuinely questioning where the attraction comes from because it sounds like dumb ego shit.
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>>17462617
damn bro. good post. thanks
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>>17462688

Now you're "genuinely" asking me why I like having sex with a lot of women?

I knew you were a faggot
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>>17462696
Keep being defensive. I'm sure the meaningless sex will fill your unloved void some day...
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>>17462690
You're welcome man, and just to expand on it on personal level: cut the porn off.


I know it sounds harsh, but seriously, if you cut out the porn and you stop diddling around with your john thomas for a couple days magic starts to happen in your brain. It's called "lust"

When you are lusting you are seriously thinking about chicks all the time. It can be difficult to manage at first (because you're not yet getting the sex at this point) but there is one key difference between the guys that are lusting and getting the chicks and the guys that are just lusting...

this difference is in how you let your lust manifest itself

I hate to say it, but when you are lusting for the first time, you'll probably come off as being creepy and weird... this is anxiety and your nerves fucking with you. BUT eventually (with practice) you will be able to manipulate your desire and let it manifest in a way that is sexy and flirty with girls...

Girls want ONE thing from guys. They want to be wanted. But not just in any way... they are particular about it. They want it to be subtle and not too overbearing. They DON'T want you to be creepy, and there is a fine line between being creepy and being flirty... and with every girl this line is different.

So, what I'm basically trying to say is don't let it get you down if a girl is a bit of a prude and acts like she doesn't like it. Smile it off, and say "Hey... it's cool, I get it. Take care." and move on.

Just in doing this sometimes will trigger the girl into being attracted to you
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if anyones lurking I wanna talk about what to do once you get the chick ready and willing

Just because you got her to take her clothes off doesn't mean your work is done. In fact, it actually just began.

Cunnilingus --girls ALWAYS love a man who knows how to do it. The only girls that don't let you do it are the girls that have never had a man that could do it right.

Here's how you do it right:

Warm her up. Kiss around her inner thighs... be sensual and loving. Prove to her you love this area. Prove to her that you want it.

Don't just dive right into the vagina. You gotta work your way around it and tease her a bit.

But once you feel like she is warming up to it

>wrap your right arm around her thigh, bringing your hand just above her hood, using your index and thumb to spread it out a bit (gently) to reveal her clitoris

>using your tongue, tease around the clit (but not for too long, maybe just a couple of passes) and then do figure eights, softly tracing the clit itself

DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT try to look up at her to see if you can tell if she is liking it or not. Do not seek acknowledgement from her of any kind. JUST BE CONFIDENT AND KEEP GOING. Girls HATE when a guy is obviously unsure of himself.

>take your left hand, insert two or three fingers into the vagina (again GENTLY, sensually) and do a come-hither motion with your fingertips against the top of her vaginal wall. There will be a rough spot about the size of a golf ball. THIS IS THE G-SPOT. Treat it well.

>Combine these motions together, altering your speed, rhythm and intensity


NOW. The most important part comes when she starts writhing around a bit and you can hear her breathing getting heavier. Once this begins, everything about altering your pace and rhythm goes OUT THE WINDOW. When she starts doing this shit, I don't give a fuck where your tongue is on that clit, you fucking keep it there doing the same fucking thing at all costs.

That is how you get her to orgasm
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Why would you want to do that? You'll probably just end up on child support and/or with STDs.

But the guy above is right, it's just a numbers game, in this day and age you just need to go on spamming rampages on dating apps/sites and eventually you'll find a girl who just wants to get laid too in your area.
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>>17462744
the problem is, I find this stuff kinda disgusting...
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Now I wanna talk about the elephant in the room

DICKS

Most guys have problems with their dick. I don't know why but they do. They hate the size. They are uncomfortable about the shape. They are too big, too small, too thick, too curved, too skinny, too long, too short etc etc etc the list goes on.


Here's whats important. That G-spot is the universal thing that you want to make sure your hitting each time.

Depending on your dick, and the girl involved, some positions may work, some may not. If your dick curves up, missionary is great. If your dick curves down, reverse cowgirl is great. If your dick is too long, you might wanna try doggy so you can easily control where the head is to make sure your hitting that g-spot.

If you're too short and you're trying to fuck her from behind, your dick is gonna be angled upwards. If she is on her knees in doggy, this is bad. You want your dick to be angled downwards, so that it touches that G-spot.


NOW, bear in mind. EVERY girl is different. Some like to be filled COMPLETELY and stretched. They like girth. Some dont. For some, they just like that g-spot. But many will agree that some dicks are just too damn long to be going balls deep.

SO STOP WORRYING ABOUT YOUR DICK AND FUCK THE CHICK
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>>17462761
Yeah you're right. That -is- your problem.
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>>17462760
NO do NOT go on dating sites or apps they are fucking stupid. Back to my numbers game thing...

You hit on a chick whos working the register at taco bell... how many other dudes are you competing with at that moment? ZERO.

You hit on a chick on fucky fucky sucky faggot fuck app, how many guys you think you're competing with? ten fucking million

NOT to mention this bitch may be a dude herself... also the girls on those apps are bitchy as hell and picky just because of the hordes of dudes they get messages from, its probably like 2% women (of which most are butt ass ugly or fat) and 98% horny dudes

its a market oversaturated with sausage, stay away
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GUYS another thing:

When you get her number! CALL IT IMMEDIATELY. While shes there. Or just have her call you.

What I normally do is say this "... heres my number call me really quick so I can add you to contacts"

This way you KNOW she's into you and she's not just fucking with you to placate you and that she's real


This is the problem with dating apps/sites. They have allllllll the time in the fuckin world to decide whether or not they wanna diddle with your dick. They msg you, you msg them, they msg you, etc etc failure to fuckin launch. It's a very tricky game on those sites and you gotta tip-toe around this, beat around the bush on that etc. It's a waste of time. If you get a girls phone number out on the street you can avoid the bullshit and the headache
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>>17462785
how do you not come off as creepy?
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>>17462845
Well, like I said, it's different with every girl. They perceive in different ways and they use different metrics

Sometimes you cant avoid it. Sometimes they act like they are creeped out, but secretly they like it. Sometimes, they act like they like it, but they are secretly creeped out.

You gotta remember, these are WOMEN we are dealing with here. You gotta put all that pretense shit into a bag and light that motherfucker on fire before you even step into the conversation mode


I will tell you, I've been slapped
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>>17462853
even if the conversation is going well, how do you get the number?
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>>17462876
"...hey you seem like a really cool chick. Whats your phone number?"
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>>17462617
Top fucking post
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>>17462744

But where do you meet them? I have no friends in real life, how do you get around that?
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>>17462876
same way you get a number from anyone else, you ask.
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>>17462623
>It can't actually be that satisfying because there's no way they're all high quality.
only virgins are high quality
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>>17462617
>95% fail rate
Nice retard method, loser.

Now how about you try the talented and educated technique which winners use?
You will turn your 95% fail rate into a 95% winning rate.

Loser.
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>>17462617
Thank you so much Anon!
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>>17462744
The problem with people this days is that when they watch porn, they think that it's real! I will never eat pussy if it's not my girlfriend!
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>>17461766
I stopped counting at 50 years ago. I feel confident that I could sleep with a different woman every night this week. My journey to winning the game was a journey of self reflection and enlightenment because I took the time to think about what I was doing.

My thoughts: It's important to understand WHY you're trying to treat the women you sleep with like numbers instead of experiences. Your fixation on the number usually indicates emotional issues.

For me, my fixation on numbers was a direct result of my upbringing and general feelings about myself - self worth. I felt ugly, unattractive, overlooked, weird like I didn't fit in, etc. I viewed my ability to convince women to take my dick as a way to prove that I was worth something because getting women to open their legs is harder than the converse (women convincing men to fuck them). I knew I was worthwhile in my heart and it depressed me to not be able to make my reality match who I knew I was.

Then I realized that I wasn't crazy - people in my life were just fucking selfish and base like all people. I realized that I can't fix any of them or change what had already happened; I could only control who I made myself going forward.

Once I internalized that.... I changed my life. I changed how I view myself. I changed how I treat myself.

After that.... I don't care about #s anymore. I care about one thing - making myself the best that I can make myself and creating the life that I know will benefit me.

So how did being a slut change me? It made me realize that I'm the prize - I should work for myself and let them compete for me.
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>>17461766
Older Anon here...

I've had sex with over 100 women in my life... maybe close to 200... i dunno I lost count.

Now I am married and wouldn't trade her for another 200 women half her age.

I was having a conversation with my only friend who knows how many women I have been with and I told him I'm honestly not proud of how many women I've had sex with in my 20s.

If I would have put the same amount of effort into anything else other than pussy, would probably be a millionaire by now.

In the end, it wasn't worth it to me.
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>>17461766

Dude here.

You're fucking gross. How can someone be so willing to swap bodily fluids with so many random fucking people? I honestly hope you get a disease.
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>>17462649
Getting laid is pretty easy even if you maintain some sort of standards if you put the work in. I don't fuck not because I can't but because I'm lazy and I don't think most women are worth the effort it would take since I hate talking to most of them because they're so boring or surface level on everything you fucking nigger.

I'm honestly contemplating being like Frank Castle and just buying hookers to satisfy the need until I find a quality person worth the time and effort.
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Female here, have fucked appx 100 men and 25 women. If you've been with 46 women you should have no trouble with the last 54.... I feel pretty enlightened by it; I have more experience than most people. I'm extremely good in bed because I've learned from so many different partners, and I'm able to please my bf better than anyone he's been with. I think it also provides a certain amt of insight sexually, which has been useful from time to time. I in no way feel ashamed and all my girlfriends (friends who are girls) know my count. They think I'm brave and progressive for being open about it. If you like sex then do Ya Thang nothing wrong with it
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>>17462617
eventually though, normal people decide there is a "quality" component to the calculation of whether or not to have sex with someone.
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>>17462744
>>17462766
This is totally off topic. Why would I give a shit about any of this if I'm just getting notches?
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>>17464470
>If I would have put the same amount of effort into anything else other than pussy, would probably be a millionaire by now.

This basically. You can even replace pussy with video games, partying, shit jobs, whatever stupid shit you will undoubtedly do during your 20's.

The notches on your belt are not worth it, but you won't realize it until you're older. All these things you do now are just distractions that will not lead you to actual enlightenment. But it's hard to do the things that matter, and conversely it's extremely easy to waste life on pussy/playing video games/shitposting on internet 10 hours a day/whatever.

Try something else if you really want your perception of life to change.
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>>17462623

It's the hunt that's the best part.

If you can take down your prey in 1-2 days you are Operator tier; sluts don't count since they always put on the first date along with really young girls.

I'm 30 and fucked about 70+ grillz.

Each one dozens or hundreds of times; you do the math.

I'm all sexed out so I'm retired now.

Well, I would never pass up an easy to get blowjob from a Head Nurse but other than that my hunting days are over.

Winter is coming.

>>17462623

Once you develop a technique that works best for you and practice until it's perfected you can efficiently fuck women; it significantly cuts down on time and total overhead.
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Don't force yourself to sleep with that many people to hit a certain milestone, you could catch std's or even in some cases HIV bringing your sex life to a stop
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>>17465226
Yeah and in sales it's called "being too smart for your own good"

The same applies to women. You don't know what you're dealing with when you first talk to a woman (or any person for that matter). You don't even really know them when you're having sex, which is what this thread is about.

It takes a lot of time to get to know someone. We're talking about sex, not relationships.
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>>17465235
You're not just getting notches, your becoming a better partner in bed, because you're getting more experience.

People like you look at it all wrong. You think sex is bad morally, and the people that do it a lot only do it because of ego.
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i'm 28, and i've had sex with over 18,000 different women. i plan to have sex with 4 more different women tomorrow.
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>>17465409
i'm 24 and i just finished having sex with 4 women from the beginning to the end of this transmission
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>>17465440
>>17465440
>>17465440
I have 50 penises, so I can have sex with 50 different women at the same time. I have sex with around 200-250 women each day.
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>>17462617
>Losing takes practice. And practice makes perfect.
Made me want to vomit
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Jesus christ you are all sluts

and here i've only tried messing around with 3 guys...

I guess i'm more impressed than anything, desu. I can't even get it in with my current bf. Sex is hard...
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>>17464121
Well at least when he does get one he can just be himself, and doesn't have to play mind games. Easier for both parties. :/
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*here's a healthy dose of reality to people reading this chat*

I'm 33m and was well on my way to hitting the 50 partner mark with about 1-2 new partners a week and despite being protected 110% of the time, not doing anything risky, and getting tested regularly, I still got herpes. I'm not an asshole willing to put anyone else's life at risk so I pretty much stopped having sex since then.

So yeah, finding a hot lay is a numbers game but so are the risks that come with it. Like one of the anons above, I tie my self-worth to my sex life, so it took a several months to quit hating myself. Take that info however you like. Good luck in your journey, OP
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>>17461766
keeping track of the number of girls you bone is lame. how does it feel to know you'll never be able to fill that void in your heart she left
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>>17462617
That's fucking inspirational dude
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>>17462617

>5% success rate

Wew lad
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>>17462761
I'm with ya anon dont worry.
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I use to be like you, fucking girls just to fuck them. Then I fell really in love with a girl and enjoyed that sex way more. Weven broke up a few months ago and I'm not rushing into bed with girls until I care about them. It's not as satisfying I'd rather jerk off and watch TV then fuck a girl I don't love .
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>>17462760


>>17462774
This is true. I've learnt that the hard way
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>>17465759
They have meds to fight off herpes outbreaks. Almost everyone has the mouth-sore version anyway. It can't kill you.
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>>17464470

I need people ITT to read what this guy just posted.

It's so disheartening everytime I come to this board and theres some idiot 18 year old contemplating suicide just cause a girl has never kissed them. Women aren't prizes, and they're not all that special to begin with. Put effort into achieving your own goals, if you don't have any goals then set them, and start working towards them.

Getting a woman out there to like you isn't all that hard, the stereotype on here is that they all think alike, while this might be a little true in terms of how they process emotions compared to men, it really doesnt matter cause they're all different. Just live your damn life, having sex won't make you a different person if you're still a loser elsewhere.

In fact if you catch feelings for the wrong girl like I did and end up wasting 4 years of your life, you could seriously end up derailing a lot of other things. Sort your life out.
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>>17465789
Yeah, I already take the meds. No outbreaks yet. I won't derail the thread by talking about myself though. Thanks for your concern, friend.
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>>17465800
THIS
When you focus on other shit and improve yourself and life style girls will come easy.
Ex. Going to school and finishing I was in classes with lots of girls and dated a few of them.
Ex. Go to gym 3x a week, girl didn't know how to do an exercise so I showed her and got her number.
Shit will fall into place be a guy girls want to date, improve yourself and it'll come. Workout, eat healthy be clean and it'll happen I promise
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>>17465810
>Thanks for your concern, friend
I wasn't trying to help you. I was trying to destroy your argument that guys shouldn't fuck lots of girls because they might get herpes.
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>>17465846
That wasn't my argument. It was essentially to be careful out there. Anyway, bye.
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>>17462617
You got it mister!
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>>17462708
I rather have meaningless sex than pretend to be a faggot who doesn't want any.
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>>17465200
yawn
you're a slut.
next!
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>>17462774
Tinder and POF are tried and truly legit. I average at least two girls a month on Tinder. Just sayin. Most guys who use Tinder don't know how to spit Tinder game or don't have the stat's to make TInder game easy. POF and Bumble are simillar and the girl chooses what she likes. If you're interesting, attractive, and have brag-stats in case she wants to gf you, then Tinder is magic. Real world game is also great to know.
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>>17466343
Good thing no one cares what you think, sir.
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its nice to see a young man with an ambition, it makes a refreshing change.
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>I've had sex with 46 girls
Good God. Your dick must look like a moldy pickle.
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>>17462744
dude girl loves if you look at them in the eyes as you eat em
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>>17466579
What does pussy taste like? I can never bring myself to smell it, let alone taste it.
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>>17461766
i've had sex with every girl, honestly it's just a numbers game


..gotta catch em all
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>>17461766
i've had sex with over 40 different countries including 9 girls

sometimes pussys pussy bro
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>>17462717
I saved your posts desu. Thanks for the inspo man
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I don't see the problem with being a slut or a man slut. If a girl is clean (gotta see the papers), tight, and never cheated before, I see no reason not to fuck them or gf them.
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>>17466664
If the girl takes care of herself properly, it just tastes like skin.
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>>17463725
Sex with virgins is awful dude. Stop lying to these people
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>>17462617
That's like a 5 percent crit rate but I've had lucky crits that saved my ass before
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>>17466735
...and if she doesn't?
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>>17466664
You know the smell of your ball sweat when it's clean and fresh? (So not "I took my last shower yesterday and just played tennis in the heat" kind of sweat.) Kind of like that. Like saliva and skin it has a very subtle and intimate, personal smell. The fluids are either tasteless or very lightly sweet/sour, depending on her diet and how much water she drinks.

If she's not clean, it can smell like a combination of old sweat and urine, also pretty close to the smell of a stale dick. Infections are to blame for a "fishy" smell. And if she drinks little water, smokes and eats a lot of red meat/other shit that fucks up your bodily fluids, her juices can taste bitter and strong.

For what it's worth, humans are wired to be turned on by the smell of (clean) genitals. The ick factor is mostly in your head (unless you're gay).
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>>17466739
But they are better in the long run.
If you want a woman for a night or two, date a whore.
If you want someone to get serious, get a virgin. That's the only kind of woman that deserves a husband or serious boyfriend.
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>>17465200
Disgusting.
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>>17466855
My mother is slowly smoking herself to death. This, along with infections probably caused me to grow up smelling her even in another room. I'm so used to that horrific, sickly sweet smell that even now I can tell if a girl is on her period. It's revolting.
Maybe it is in my head, but can you blame me?
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>>17466876
It's hard to believe for me that there are people outside of fundamentalist religion think this kind of crap makes sense.

What's so bad about sex? I can understand thinking casual sex is wrong, but sex itself between people who have feelings for each other? And why is only the woman to blame when they have it anyway, when men are the ones who push more for sex?
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>>17466883
It's kind of beside the point whether you are to blame. Sure it's understandable, but just like you don't dream about having a cute girl in your bed who acts like your dick is a gross abomination and a chore to touch, girls aren't crazy about guys who dislike pussy. That's pretty logical too...
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>>17466889
I'm not denying that it's a problem, I just wanted to share my story. I Was wondering if anyone else had similar experiences.
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>>17461766
Maybe I'm a weird guy but....
I prefer having a gf to trying to fuck as many women as possible. Trying to fuck loads of women is wayyy too much work. Lots of girls are really fucking boring. I have so much shit I gotta do man. Also, when you have a girlfriend, you can lose the condoms. Condomed sex is like rubbing Novocaine on your dick. It's not like you win anything when you X amount of girls.
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>>17466896
Sure. I don't think it's that uncommon to be grossed out by genitals at least to the point of not wanting to perform oral sex. Wouldn't dare to say something more specific than that, though...
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>>17466884
Because they are the ones who have to make an effort. A man having sex with a woman is an accomplishment a womam having sex means nothing.
Not saying i agree with him but it's pretty obvious why.
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>>17466903
You wouldn't dare? Why not?
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>>17466908
No, it still makes no sense. If you do something and that is looked down upon, evidently you did something bad. But suddenly it's no problem if it cost you more effort? Is killing someone, or stealing something, or really any at all morally reprehensible thing suddenly alright because you actively invested in reaching that goal?

>>17466910
Because it's hardly something I have hard statistics about. What I said is simply based on a combination of what I've read online and what I hear from the grape vine in the social circles I've been a part of. It could be inaccurate, it is just my impression that it's something that's not the norm but reasonably common.
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>>17466916
You are judged diferently because you are in a different position.
People who survive an attempted murder or scape a robbery are viewed positively.
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>>17461766
>he still keeps track of his body count
much to learn, you still have
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>>17466925
That's not a good comparison, those people are judged positively because they were only passively involved with the "crime". For consensual sex both partners have to take active involvement. It isn't a different position.

Besides, if you take the situation of someone fucking around and racking up a huge partnercount, that is significantly easier for a woman than for a man. But the anon I replied to specifically talked about sex in any context other than the marital one. And the difference when it comes to falling in love and wanting commitment for a man vs a woman are less different from how easy it would be to get laid by a stranger.
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>>17465200

Guys, pay attention to this post. SHE is telling you the honest truth... sex is not about being a man-whore or being a slut. IT'S ABOUT EXPERIENCE.

In your life, you may come across a virgin who's had no other dick. I can tell you at least 3 things about her right off the bat:

1) She's gonna be bad in the sack
2) She doesnt know what she likes
3) Shes gonna find out what she doesnt like from YOU
4) Shes gonna be VERY curious about different experiences with guys that AREN'T YOU

Now if this is someone you wanna fuck, no big deal. IF you think this is marriage material, you are a DUMBASS and should know better...

You want a girl that is EXPERIENCED and has chosen YOU for a reason, not a girl that didn't know any better.

This is why I hate slut shaming.

1) Guys who claim they aren't gay are saying they dont like sluts
2) Guys are encouraging women to NOT have sex and to NOT be easily accessible (even gayer)
3) People w/less experience tend to be MORE likely to mess around when they are in a relationship
4) The same guys that claim virgins are better get hurt because of this and then blame women for being EVIL

It goes full circle every time and its bullshit.
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>>17466939
You don't understand why someone would want to marry a virgin?
It's the same thing for him except he takes it to another autistic step.
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>>17466948
CAPS LOCK
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>>17466948
isn't there a slut walk nearby you and your white knight pals from reddit should be attending?
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>>17466957
From what I gather it is mostly about wanting to be singularly chosen... and I can understand that somewhat, but I find it easier to picture being uneasy with knowing that "your" woman has shared the same intimacy with other men than being uneasy with the very act of sex outside of marriage.

I guess I just find the "sex is a terrible thing that makes you a terrible person - until you're married and then it's healthy, fun and completely fine morally" really weird to picture. I can understand making that distinction between casual sex and sex with emotional intimacy, but all sex outside of marriage and sex within marriage... I just find it an artificial distinction that makes no logical sense.
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>>17466969
Some people need to set defined limits on things, that's why there is a "the X talk" for everything imaginable for americans.
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>>17466990
Defined limits are one thing, but choose them right then... Isn't the distinction between having sex for lust primarily vs having sex for love primarily much more meaningful than whether or not they're married, which is just a legal procedure that technically doesn't have to say anything about your feelings for each other?
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>>17467002
Yeah, but when you marry there is the wait too; you holded on to it so it's special.
You can also say it's more special if it comes after a very special moment, like marriage.

In the end it's about how much importance you put into it and the reason for it.
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>>17467017
I'm not saying that I don't think marriage means anything at all, just that the distinction between married and non-married seems a lot more arbitrary to me than feelings or no feelings.

And I also think if people feel drawn to waiting for marriage, they should, but there's a world in between thinking that waiting makes it more special and thinking that if you don't wait you're doing something wrong.

True, of course.
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>>17466966
>implying I am the white knight in a thread about fucking as much as you can
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>>17467022
It is, but that's not traditional.

There will always be people taking things to extremes. It's good that the extremes of today (in many parts of the world) don't involve murder.
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