Seriously, why do girls always go for the assholes? There's

>>17420369
>"girls only go for assholes" is just a meme
kek. It is and it isn't

>>17420369
>finally have a relationship with a nice guy
>treats me wonderfully for a year
>ghosts me

Yeah nice guys really are all that :^)

At least my abusive ex boyfriends all had the decency to break up with me properly.

>>17420369
It's not that Girls like assholes, it's that subs like doms.

Assertiveness, Alpha-ness, these things attract women whether they are negative or positive. Girls aren't really looking for Prince Charming, they want Prince Fucks-Good.

because confidence is attractive

being kind and confident is best, but confidence alone is better than being a "nice guy."

grow a sack
and no you dont have to emulate class clowns, kid. there are many more ways to act as a confident male

I can promise you that guy has more alluring traits about him other than him being an asshat.

And even then, people only use the word "asshole" to describe someone they already don't like for some reason. Even if this guy is a genuine dick, if others have a good impression of him regardless, it's going to take more than that for them to see him in a bad light. i.e.: halo effect.

>>17420421
Unfortunately confidence and arrogance are often synonymous with each other. Having one usually means having the other as well.

>>17420402
>ghosts after a year

holy shit and i thought i was bad just because I',m quick to resort to break-out when my girlie goes over board with the dramatics

>>17420369
Assholes are generally confident, manly and entertaining - I'd rather be with an interesting asshole than with a boring nice guy.
If you manage to be kind AND confident, manly and entertaining, you'll always be the better than the asshole.
The problem with "nice guys" is that they are often doormats, boring and self-pitying idiots.

>>17420369
They're not passive and fun. Thats all there is to it, they're fun and thats alot better than a nice guy who's boring as fuck. Also they're asshole to most people but threat there chick special and bitches love feeling special

>>17420452
>>17420456
>Where are all the good men?????

What i gather from this thread is that it doesn't matter how you treat women as long as you are entertaining and confident.

>>17420369
Girls don't target them because they're assholes.
Girls avoid you because you're a bitch, and choose the best available masculine partner - that almost always ends up being an asshole.
You could break the cycle, become a man without going into assholishness... but let's face it, you won't, and even if you did you would go all the way to asshole just out of resentement.

>>17420471
who cares if women like assholes?

I like women with abs and unhealthy low-levels of body fat.

I pick em up from cross fit.
Assholes can have the bar sloots

>>17420471
I am >>1742045.
I am engaged to the very definition of a good guy - generous, kind to everyone, works for a charity, caring, sweet, writes me love letters and poems.
He is not JUST a good guy, tho - he's funny as fuck, sarcastic, smart, shares a lot of my interests, really confident.

>>17420487
Jesus Christ, you had half a point but shut up.

OP, MOST girls don't like assholes, they just like the confidence that assholes have. SOME women, on the other hand, are attracted to assholes. Usually the ones that frequently engage in abusive relationships. And now you know.

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>women choose other men over me, that makes those other men assholes and those women cunts.
>It's not like I'm a whiney manbaby who feels like he's entitled to something and doesn't have to put any effort into it.

>>17420488
>>17420489
I'm saying women are misleading. If girls wanted tough guys , they should had said so. Not say they look for a guy that's their friend or I need a gentleman bull crap.

>>17420506
You're saying something false and stupid. I've always heard girls saying they want a REAL MAN - this means someone who isn't a doormat and is in control of his life, but also someone who is a gentleman and is generally kind.
I am going to marry my best friend, a true gentle man and absolutely the best guy I know. But also a charming fucker, a pretty manly guy, and someone who makes me feel strong and safe around him.

>>17420506
And guys aren't? We all know damn well most guys are just looking to fuck a warm hole for the night and then pretend she never existed, yet they put on the front that they're actually interested in dating/her as a person.
That's just human beings man.

>>17420413
>sir fucks-a-lot

>>17420506
girls just want to be fucked righteously and obsessed over in that order. fuck them properly and make them feel good by constantly complimenting them and giving them absolutely as much of your time as possible and she'll be yours.

>>17420517
>We all know damn well most guys are just looking to fuck a warm hole for the night and then pretend she never existed, yet they put on the front that they're actually interested in dating/her as a person.

Then stop going for Chad

>>17420517
You are proving his point

>>17420431
Key word *can* be synonymous. You can also behave more confidently while lacking confidence, and go far that way while the positive feelings regarding yourself build up

And so long as an arrogant person isnt like sick in the head I'll take them. Just gotta be careful of getting close to a narcissist (who isnt actually confident)

Maybe it's better to say DO IT ANYWAY, even if you aren't feeling confident about it.

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>>17420369
>Seriously, why do girls always go for the assholes?
They don't "go for" the assholes. They settle for the assholes, because they think the assholes are the only ones available.

You hide your interest, because you are afraid of being told no. But this leads them to assume -quite reasonably, given the information available to them- that you are not interested. And so they distance themselves as appropriate for the platonic relationship they think you desire, and then get creeped out when they eventually discover that you were lying all along so they couldn't say no.

You've set up this false dichotomy of nice guys versus assholes, so that you can go on telling yourself that you are better than the men who do not allow the fear of rejection to paralyze them. And on balance, you are indeed better than some of them, perhaps many. But your cowardice drags you down quite a long way, and the reason for it -that you can't handle being told no- drags you down further. That shit's creepy.

You want women? Good! Then face your fear. Women like courage. There is a third path: a decent man who nonetheless shows interest, even though he is afraid. And he IS afraid. All men are afraid. Asking women out is scary. But the assholes and the decent men face their fear, rather than run from it, and because of this, sometimes they succeed.

And sometines they fail. Even Chad sometimes fails. And it stings, yes. But the big secret is that it doesn't hurt as much as pining does. She could slap you and call you a creep and kick you inna nerts, and you would still feel better than you do when you're moping around like this.

So go out there, and face your fear. And keep facing it: never more than once per girl, but keep facing it. You will succeed, eventually. But success will not come to you. You must go get it.

>>17420523
I dont lol. That's just literally 99.9% of dudes in their early 20s. Just notches on bedposts man that's all that matters. Until the biological urge to reproduce kicks in later in life, nobody man or woman wants to commit, just have fun. Then maybe they'll settle down to spit out some kids, but in the end that's all we really are to one another, the other half of the puzzle to breed.
Love isn't a real thing anon, its a made up emotion to make us feel better about shitting out more kids despite how fucking terrible we are.

>>17420530
Maybe, in a sense I agree with him, women are shit, but so are fucking men.
I'm saying we're all fucking shit. Don't matter what you've got going on between your legs man, everyones garbage. The whole human race is built upon using one another to get what you want and spitting out your awful spawn so that the cycle can begin a new.
Cest la vie.

>>17420552

See

>>17420590

>>17420369
Maybe they become assholes because the girls go for them. Causality might be the other way around.

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>>17420413
>the Lord of the D

>>17420591
damn. Someone really fucked you up

My problem with "girls going for assholes" isn't so much what the girl finds attractive. Whatever floats their boat. It's just that it seems to reward the guy's dickishness and potentially make him worse. Especially those with a history of domestic violence.

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>>17420591
Normalfags everyone

I'm going to make some cheeseburgers and play more Luciobowl

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>>17420413
> the Duke of the Dick

>>17420591
I agree that people are shit but don't say biological urge ever again.

>>17420643
Life did lol. When the fantasy we all front comes down and you look at shit for what it really is, you start to find that fantasy exhausting.
>>17420668
biological urge

>>17420668
Iological burge.

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>>17420413
> the Master of the Big O

>>17420369
So, what's the problem?

Let shitty people destroy each other...

A woman who only goes after obviously shitty people, but then blames all men, quite frankly, deserves whatever he does to her.
Men who do that kinda shit, well, most of them get away with it, most of the time. Until they are dumb enough to get married (alimony) OR escalate to the point of police involvement.

Girls do fucking love sociopaths though.
Sociopaths are natural born leaders, women are attracted to status. They're alphas.

My only complaint is that rather than say "I'm attracted to awful people who only care about themselves", they'd sooner shift blame to all men, and label any man that doesn't fit their stereotype as a "nice guy".

Eventually there are no more reasons to be nice, no reasons to warn them that the guy she's chasing beat his last girlfriend. No reason to do anything for her out of fear of being labelled a "nice guy".
So we should all just sit around a laugh every time a stupid woman gets beat by a stupid guy because there's shit all anyone else could've done but them.
And they still fucked up.

My point is, let it happen.
I walked past a neighbour slapping his girl around in public, I aint gonna risk getting my ass kicked helping someone who'll most likely make the same mistake over and over again.
Fuck that.

Tons and tons and TONS of girls love assholes. Then the white knights claim women don't because of the small minority who dont. They need multi-billion dollar nation wide programs to get women to (temporarily) stop running back to their abusers. It's so hard for them to give up on the guys who treat them like shit, but I've never heard of a woman who had trouble leaving a guy for being too nice or boring.

>>17420369
Have you ever considered that these women are assholes too? All those douchebag dudes you see? Yeah there are the female equivalents of them running around but you're too blinded by your hard on to realize it.

>>17420369
>You cunts
>all women are one person
>generalizing 50 % of humanity based off a few bimbos with no self-respect
>>>/r9k/

>>17420452

>assholes interesting

I know assholes who get laid and they are not interesting or funny. all they have going for them is confidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg1t_nGaDLs

They would rather be with someone that makes them feel something than a complete emotional dead end who shits their angst all over 4chan

>>17420705
>>17420722
>NAWALT

>>>/tumblr/

>>17420688
See bitch look at >>17420691 you could be like that anon but you decide to fuck up

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>>17420745
My apologies.

>>17420733
Because women have a radar detector for 4chan users. Of course.

>>17420369
Hey OP, sorry to ask but... why is becoming an asshole yourself not an option to you? What if you decide to become an asshole?

>>17420731
Social, funny, and dominant can all be interresting to a girl.
Girls/woman are most of the time less interrested in technical or non social events, "interresting" has a whole different meaning for woman than for men.

>>17420591
Dude in his early twenties here
I'd take a committed relationship over fucking around any day of the week. Am I the minority or am I just being a faggot?

>>17420809
Minority.
Or faggot, depending on if you prefer taking it up the butt from dudes rather than fucking random women.

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>>17420818
What if, hypothetically, I wanted to take it up the butt from women?

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>>17420830
o shi-

A lot of people are dumb, both men and women.

Let dumb people be dumb and just embrace the imminent coming of immersive VR porn like the rest of us nerds.

>>17420369
You don't have to be an asshole to get the girl. Just be yourself, there's a girl for everyone out there. You' re not nice or too nice at a certain moment, you live with by your own philosophy: there will always be someone to bash you for it, always someone to notice it.

>>17420906
>Just be yourself

Fuck off

>>17420369
https://youtu.be/ykEffP7xTEE

>>17420369
>>>17420906
>>Just be yourself
>
>Fuck off
Do you hate yourseod or what ?

>>17420942
If a guy can't get girls in the first place, being himself won't work

>>17420942
This
>>17420961
He has to put up a facade to have any chance.

You'll notice every girl complains about how their ex was a dick, which either means a: they're attracted to assholes, or b: they'll completely reverse their perspective on a person they once loved just to fit a narrative they've constructed to garner sympathy or make themselves look good. I'm not sure which is worse.

>>17420761
They're pretty easy to spot. Social recluses, boring, resentful towards women...

>>17420761
But ya had to dig pretty deep there didn't ya Mr. Social Flatline

>>17420961
It's the wish to become someone else, and that is triggered by envy that ends up in frustration, then ressent.
When I say be oneself, I mean, be proud of it and don't let people make you think you are inferior, you are just not playing in the same sandbox. Social skills are built up from experience. If you see a stupid girl that does not have the balls to go talk to you, you might want her to stay playing with teddibears in her teenager's room.

>>17420369
"Assholes" as you call them are real men. They are confident and assertive. "Nice" guys are basically beta left wing retards. Women prefer men with status, strength and wealth. Traits associated with this may seem assholish to you because you're a beta little faggot.

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>>17420591
Literal truest shit ITT

I've gone from a 307 pound fat ass beta near-NEET autist to being 207 semi-lean basically normal person, but I have high amounts of that "fuck everything" still in me which lets me do all kinds of shit and be manipulative and bold and shit and not even worry about it


Women still cant get over their shit tier "need a big strong tough guy alpha to protect my kids and take care of me" subconscious instinct which prevents them from fucking around with anyone who doesn't meet the criteria, even though STD tests birth control pills and abortions are all a thing

>inb4 men only want pussy

God damn fucking right because its said to feel godly and there are literally 0 consequences from it if a girl takes the above steps

What does obsessing over non existent kids do? Fucks up all social dynamics


You gotta be a prick to get what you want, you have to go all out banzai mode, you cant hold back

Dont feel bad about being selfish and manipulative and exploitative, these fuckers would do the same to you in an instant

Nice guys really do finish last

>>17420961
Literally fucking exactly this

"Just be yourself" is the greatest fucking lie ever

You have to change everything to draw girls in

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>>17421166
To you and everyone else ITT

In the past when I've come on /adv/ and explained all the changes I've made lately I've been called psychotic or sociopathic, so does that mean that I'm nearing alpha status or what?

>>17420993
This.

>>17420369
>why do girls always go for the assholes?
Because they offer life experience, or they have it.
They have way more than you do sitting at home, masturbating and browsing 4chan.
They are also more interesting and have friends.
They have way more than you do sitting at home, masturbating and browsing 4chan.

They aren't going for assholes, they are going for guys who had the confidence to ask them out or take them places.
They have way more of a chance than you do, sitting at home, masturbating and browsing 4chan.
I just wanted to hammer that point home for you.

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>>17421292
Notice the contempt in this ones words

Remember how much these people look down on you and hate you, so don't feel bad about tricking them into liking

Why should you care about them when they have never cared about you?

Become what they like so much and become the ultimate pumper and dumper

>>17421299
Que?
I have a job, I socialise plenty and I have experienced life and travelled, also I have a girlfriend who I'm cohabiting with.
I'm not trying to become a pumper and dumper.

I am interesting to women because I have talked to enough to have realised how to approach them, I take care of myself and bought clothes that suit me, I look good and when I go out women will try and strike up a conversation with me, I can talk to people and steer topics, I know how to tell stories that are relevant whilst having an planned start, middle and end without rambling.
I'm not feeling sorry for myself, I'm not complaining about others (something women hate, it makes you sound like a bitch), I've achieved plenty and done enough, when I talk about my hobbies women are interested.
Its quite funny how easy it is to talk to women, most don't get approached, many will do their hair and put on nice clothes just to have nobody approach them.

90% of life happens by showing up.
You don't do anything if you don't go to classes for it e.g. martial arts, running
You won't meet women sitting on PoF sending "hey" to women who are receiving 100 similar messages a day
You won't hone your skills in talking to people if you post anonymously on 4chan
You won't know how people act or react if you aren't meeting people and paying attention to what they say and do

You don't have to try and be an asshole, you just have to live your life.

>>17420369

women whos parents are divorced go for assholes since they think that's normal

sadly for americans thats 50% of the women lel

>>17421344
Nigga you don't need to repeat yourself to make a point
Your stories must be loopy as fuck

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>>17421344
I get how you do all of it and I'm rapidly emulating it and its going well so far getting good responses from people

But I'm still super resentful of having to do all of it, this culture is bullshit

No one cares about intelligence, no one cares about how much you know, no one cares about music that isnt top 40 pop, all anyone wants to talk about / do is sports, beer, top 40 music, stuff their faces (for guys) and gossip, complain, watch tv (for girls)

both guys and girls want to do social media and listen to shitty top 40 music


I went to school with these people back in middle and highschool and I go to school with them now in college, I was always an outcast, always rejected by everyone as being a "loser nerd who was never gonna get any", and its only when I arrived to college that I've started to get my shit straight to adapt to this normie dominated society

All of this because either I adapt or I stay a virgin forever


Being told to be myself was the greatest load of bullshit anyone has ever told me in my life and it has cost me big time, other guys were getting hot wet tight soft pussy at 15 while I was doing fuck all living in my bedroom

I'm still a virgin to this day and even though for the first time in my life it looks like sex is just beyond the horizon I'm more cynical than ever because I recognize just how fucked everything is and how I have to fake everything I say dress and do to make it
And when I come on /adv/ and tell you guys about all this I get called psychotic or a sociopath

So I guess I'm either a fat beta autist permavirgin or I'm a good looking well adjusted monster

Well society says that the latter of the two will get me laid so whatever

ITT: mixing social interactions and conventions with biological drives to criticize morality

to force a string of weak individuals' genes to procreate in spite of a stronger one is, indeed, immoral as it would put those individuals' interests over the interest of the species as a whole, which is, to survive and produce the most offspring.

In the end, however, it doesn't really matter. We all die alone regardless of our relationships.

>>17421389
As the only person to ever take you seriously here, i'm sad you are still obssed with it.

>>17421239
if you need /adv/'s opinion on something about yourself, I have bad news for you

>>17421418
Am I wrong about everything I've said ITT?

>>17420606
>See
>>17420590 → #
Saw. Not impressed.

>Failure isn't something that pays off for everyone, especially if rejected.
Failure only pays off in the long term. Just because you got discouraged after one or two tries and quit doesn't make that a valid decision.

>When a person fails and gives up, at least he knows his limitations are decides to not put extra effort to something that's above his abilities.
The person who gives up never knows their limitations, because by definition they gave up before hitting them. You just don't want to try, and that is not a respectable position. Grow the fuck up.

>That's the whole point about being human. It's knowing your limits.
No, the point of being human is expanding your limits.

>But I tried!"
>try again. try a new way
>AND be LIke this guy?
>https://m.reddit.com/r/confession/comments/3n7zqs/as_of_today_i_have_been_rejected_1000_times/
Him, I respect. You, I do not. Go hide in your mom's basement if you really want, but the act of doing so is what makes you a loser and a failure. Nothing else. The moment you step outside and get back to trying is the moment you stop being these things, and it is the only way to stop being these things. Ever. Grow the fuck up, and tell your fears to go shove it.

>>17421409
>implying its immoral to put yourself before the species

get a doner card, go to a hospital and shoot yourself in the head then to save half a dozen peoples lives

>>17421389
>I'm still super resentful of having to do all of it, this culture is bullshit
You think women should just give you a chance even though you are boring and do fuck all?

>No one cares about intelligence, no one cares about how much you know, no one cares about music that isnt top 40 pop, all anyone wants to talk about / do is sports, beer, top 40 music, stuff their faces (for guys) and gossip, complain, watch tv (for girls)
I've spoken to plenty of women and not discussed anything you listed.

>both guys and girls want to do social media and listen to shitty top 40 music
Do you live on social media or something? very few people discuss it outside of the internet.

>I went to school with these people back in middle and highschool...
>All of this because either I adapt or I stay a virgin forever
You are upset because you don't get to be a special snowflake and have to conform to social norms to fit in?
Just about everyone in history has had to do the same, you don't get assigned a wife outside of third world shitholes

>Being told to be myself was the greatest load of bullshit anyone has ever told me in my life and it has cost me big time, other guys were getting hot wet tight soft pussy at 15 while I was doing fuck all living in my bedroom
Be yourself and socialise, not be yourself, act randumb and sit in your room wasting you life

>I'm still a virgin to this day and even though for the first time in my life it looks like sex is just beyond the horizon I'm more cynical than ever because I recognize just how fucked everything is and how I have to fake everything I say dress and do to make it
Are you upset that you can't dress as an anime character everywhere? it is called growing up, there is nothing fake about it

>So I guess I'm either a fat beta autist permavirgin or I'm a good looking well adjusted monster
You are trying to be edgy... right?

>>17421437
see how it's of no use to argue about morals when discussing procreation?
it's not called alpha for no reason
complaining about how it "should" be something else is in vain

>>17421429
Yes, many generalizations.
You classify everything in boxes and block any info that may suggest that boxes don't exist.

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>>17421454
>You think women should just give you a chance even though you are boring and do fuck all?
Not knowing anything about sports music or pop culture doesn't classify someone as boring, but to a normie it does
And yeah

>I've spoken to plenty of women and not discussed anything you listed.

I got to VCU maybe things are different where you go

>Do you live on social media or something? very few people discuss it outside of the internet.

Here people worship it

>You are upset because you don't get to be a special snowflake and have to conform to social norms to fit in?
Fuck social norms there was never anything wrong with me and yet people treated me like shit
>Just about everyone in history has had to do the same, you don't get assigned a wife outside of third world shitholes
In other cultures their culture was good instead of 2000's americunt level shit tier

>Be yourself and socialise, not be yourself, act randumb and sit in your room wasting you life
>BEEEEEE URSELF

Fucking no dumbass
Being myself is what got me into this mess to begin with
I never acted randumb that was the other people who couldn't talk about one topic for more than 60 seconds without their eyes glazing over and calling it rambling

>Are you upset that you can't dress as an anime character everywhere? it is called growing up, there is nothing fake about it

Its completely fake, I used to wear clothes that didnt match color wise, didn't fit, etc

Now I make myself wear shit straight out of mens fashion magazines

I can see, hear, and sense the difference in how people and especially girls perceive me now with all these changes vs how they used to

I still fucking hate them, but its not a surface level hot anger, its like a cold dormant hatred, almost just basically contempt

>muh edgy

Oh because either your 100% genuine or your edgy got it thanks for clearing that up

>>17420369
>why do girls always go for the assholes?

>you cunts like to go on about how the whole "girls only go for assholes" is just a meme "nice guys" used to justify themselves.

Well one thing's for sure, you're not a nice guy, you're a """nice guy""" aka "I pretend to be nice to women so they can reward me with sex" type of guy.

>>17421478
>Not knowing anything about sports music or pop culture doesn't classify someone as boring, but to a normie it does
I don't listen to music or watch tv, but I'm far from boring

>I got to VCU maybe things are different where you go
I'm in the UK, maybe our society is slightly less obsessed with sedentary activities

>Here people worship it
I assure you that there are plenty of people not sat in their rooms glued to social media

>Fuck social norms there was never anything wrong with me and yet people treated me like shit
Chances are there is, bullying is natural and used to encourage people to act in a certain way, you are most likely a creep who mopes around

>In other cultures their culture was good instead of 2000's americunt level shit tier
Like I said, go outside, there are people who don't live in front of a screen or monitor

>>BEEEEEE URSELF
So if you go out and do things you will transform into someone else?
Did I stop being myself when I took up boxing? or when I started jogging? or when I did an evening course to broaden my horizons?

>Fucking no dumbass
>Being myself is what got me into this mess to begin with
>I never acted randumb that was the other people who couldn't talk about...
Do you always blame everything else for your problems?

>Its completely fake, I used to wear clothes that didnt match color wise, didn't fit
>Now I make myself wear shit straight out of mens fashion magazines
Or you can wear clothes that fit and don't clash, you don't have to spend loads on fashionable clothes, your personality isn't defined by your clothing

>I can see, hear, and sense the difference in how people and especially girls perceive me now...
>I still fucking hate them, but its not a surface level hot anger...
Wow, you are upset that you can't dress like a child?
>>muh edgy
>Oh because either your 100% genuine or your edgy got it thanks for clearing that up
You aren't edgy, you are just a retard.
What you are upset about doing is called growing up.

>>17421530
You have poor reading comprehension.

>>17420369
that is just how girls are they love assholes I know violent abusive guys who have multiple children from different girls. bad boys are the only thing that makes their vagina tingle.

>>17420369
I love how the girls on /adv/ will talk about what they want in a man but if you make a post on here suggesting that you are doing something that would fit one of the qualities they call you a psychopath.

Girls have no fucking idea what they want, its just plain as that.

>>17420369
More like, why do we allow women to put themselves in positions to go after assholes. It is literally destroying western society.

>women slut around because there are no repercussions
>she falls in love with some handsome renegade who doesnt give a fuck about her
>becomes a single mom draining society of our tax money and becoming completely undesirable

on the other side of the fence

>good looking guys fuck around with endless possibility
>average guys are left picking up the scraps of these women who they don't even want half the time because of their disgusting life choices
>ugly and financially unsuccessful men retreat from societyentirely because whats left is even worse than masturbating and prostitutes.

now we have problem with neets and single mothers that is rising at an alarming rate.
feminism was a mistake

>>17421530
>Chances are there is, bullying is natural and used to encourage people to act in a certain way, you are most likely a creep who mopes around
Oh so now your saying that bullying is cool to force people into line

>So if you go out and do things you will transform into someone else?
No
>Did I stop being myself when I took up boxing? or when I started jogging? or when I did an evening course to broaden my horizons?
You do all those things because you actually like them and have no alterior motives, your being yourself

I do literally everything in conscious forced decisions to make myself seem good to everyone else all for the sole purpose of getting a girl to like me enough to have sex with me, or meeting people who by association can get me into a situation where sex happens

So I'm not being myself at all

http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100

You think I like this garbage? Of course not, but the people here eat it up

The number 1 song is "cheap thrills" which is a song about girls loving "cheap thrills" and being narcissistic cunts

This shit is all that is played at parties and other social gatherings that have music and if I can't 1: not let it impact my thinking by clouding my judgement because of how much I hate it and want it to stop and 2: seem like I somewhat know the songs, then it will out me as being the "other"

I listen to this shit to force myself to become numb to it, and to make myself partially memorize them so I can halfway sing along and not just look like I dont know whats going on

>Do you always blame everything else for your problems?
The other guys weren't better than me they didn't deserve anything more than what I got but they did and know I know how they did and now I'm copying it and its starting to work

>clothes

Looking good clothes wise is mandatory

>>17421530
Yes I fucking am Americunts put way too much importance on shitty ass clothes

>ooooh your wearing a blue shirt and red pants with white shoes that means I dont want anything to do with you kill yourself

But if I spend 400$ on the latest shit and people just think Im such a cool guy

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>>17421565
>I love how the girls on /adv/ will talk about what they want in a man but if you make a post on here suggesting that you are doing something that would fit one of the qualities they call you a psychopath.

Women totally know what they want and those "psychopathic" things are exactly that

Its just that they only want someone who is naturally all that stuff, and want the ones who aren't naturally like that to eat shit and die because they are worthless subhuman perma virgin scum

And it burns them up like an inferno to think that their holier than thou glory might be tainted by some vermin who got smart enough to pretend like he was what they wanted and actually ended up getting laid as a result

>>17421585

That's some serious projection.

>>17421594
I naturally do some of the things described and I'm still called psychotic, in fact I remember I made a post about an action (I was telling her that I really don't want her to do something that I thought was just going to hurt her) and I got several responses from people saying they were girls that I was a wife beater (despite me never laying a finger on her) and that I need to break up with her to """liberate""" her

>>17421581
>Oh so now your saying that bullying is cool to force people into line
I didn't say that, I just pointed out that not alll bullying is malicious

>I do literally everything in conscious forced decisions to make myself seem good to everyone else all for the sole purpose of getting a girl to like me enough to have sex with me, or meeting people who by association can get me into a situation where sex happens
>So I'm not being myself at all
Well try not lying to people, go out and do things you want to do and you will meet people who aren't idiots or whatever.

>http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100
>You think I like this garbage? Of course not, but the people here eat it up
Then don't listen to it.
>The number 1 song is "cheap thrills" which is a song about girls loving "cheap thrills" and being narcissistic cunts
I personally like the song myself, I don't have to be behind the meaning of it, I just think Sia is a half decent singer, I've never talked to anyone about my music taste though.

>This shit is all that is played at parties and other social gatherings that have music and if I can't 1: not let it impact my thinking by clouding my judgement because of how much I hate it and want it to stop and 2: seem like I somewhat know the songs, then it will out me as being the "other"
You need new friends or to find social circles that are more to your liking

>I listen to this shit to force myself to become numb to it, and to make myself partially memorize them so I can halfway sing along and not just look like I dont know whats going on
Then don't do it.

>The other guys weren't better than me
But they played the game and reaped the rewards
>they didn't deserve anything more than what I got but they did
So they didn't deserve to get laid because they enjoy things the majority enjoy?
>and know I know how they did and now I'm copying it and its starting to work
So you hate them, but you act like them, and get what you think you deserve?

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>>17421612
Its not projection its the truth

>>17421621
>try not lying
I won't be able to get through a single conversation without doing it
>go out and do things you like
I dont like anything
>meet people who arent idiots
Everyone is an idiot here

>dont listen to it

Well I'd like to listen to classic rock but that's
"dad/grandpa music" and literally no one in their teens/20s listens to it here so I gotta adapt

>i like her singing so much I ignore the words

>you need new friends and social circles

There is no social circle I would fit into and no friends I would naturally synch with other than the stereotypical "nerds" and they are social black holes, I have to disassociate from them

>dont do it

Used to be I heard this shit and my heart rate would go up and I couldn't think straight and I'd get sweaty, all of which would fuck up my thinking and I need a cool head to lie properly and do all the body language and shit

I'm at my weakest socially when I'm tired, sad, or mad, so I always have to get good sleep and whenever something is starting to make me feel bad I have to block it out with something else until its buried

Well now that I'm basically numb to this music thats one less problen to deal with

>But they played the game and reaped the rewards
And stepping on me and kicking me aside was part of it

Fuck. Them.

>So they didn't deserve to get laid because they enjoy things the majority enjoy?

>oh I like the shitty shit everyone else obsesses over I get laid now

Fuck them

>So you hate them, but you act like them, and get what you think you deserve?

I hate them so much, but I've learned that if I seem identical to them then I can have what they have

Yeah I deserve it, after all these years of being left out, all this struggle and work and misery, I've put in so much I've devoted the past 4 years of my life to it

I deserve it
Its all I want in life and I have sure as shit earned it

>>17421585
>But if I spend 400$ on the latest shit and people just think Im such a cool guy
I'm yet to meet anyone who has not been seen as a try hard because they spent loads on clothes.
Assuming you are the same guy who posted >>17421581

If you really hate pop culture and the rest of it, stop playing to it.
If you want to do things you enjoy, do them, sign up to meetup and find relevant groups, find hobby clubs that share your passion.
At the same time, stop being so upset that there are people who enjoy mainstream stuff, the top 40 exists because people buy that music, everyone who likes it isn't fake, they just like mainstream stuff.

you don't deserve anything socially, everyone has to adapt to social norms, social norms are not liking certain music, social norms are not acting like a salty little bitch and not wearing clothes that leave your gut hanging out or stretch under the stress of your man tits, you can't wear bright blue and green together? cry more, you aren't expected to look like you came off a runway.

Just wear clothes that fit and don't clash, your personality won't evaporate if you do, you might even like the clothes that you wear.
Be yourself, if other people don't like it don't be upset that you have nobody to talk to
Do shit you enjoy, if your hobbies and activities are red flags for women or none can relate to them, don't be upset if none give you a chance
Jesus Christ it's like I'm writing a socialisation manual for autistic people.

>>17421660
>>17421621
Also there will be at least 1 person ITT before it 404s telling me I dont deserve it

Because being a normie faggot and playing sports and listen to inner citty black people going AYY SHAWTY AYY at age 15 entitles you to sex but dedicating 4 years of your life to it and doing a total overhaul of everything doesnt

>>17421661
You didn't even read this >>17421660

>>17421677
>>17421671
>>17421661
>>17421660
>>17421621
Everything that's been asked of me I've done, everything I've been told to do to seem normal and attractive I've done

For ages now I've spent every day working on changing everything about how others perceive me, hoping so much that it would work

All I want in life is just to fuck, I don't want to be rich, or famous, I dont want a bunch of food, or drinks, or property

I just want want 10s of millions of guys got to have in their childhood bedrooms at age 15

I have sacrificed everything for it so for anyone to tell me I still don't deserve it pisses me off so much

>>17421581
>Oh so now your saying that bullying is cool to force people into line
Societies have, and need, means to pressure their less-functional members to grow. These means can indeed get out of control: applied to inappropriate targets, taken to inappropriate extremes, or both. When this happens, we call it bullying. Fewhere on 4chan are strangers to it: this site was founded largely by and for people who had been treated unfairly by these measures.

But there's a problem: it is very easy for people who have been treated unfairly to forget that the treatment is not always unfair. There are people who bona fide need -not "deserve", but NEED- to be treated this way, because nothing else puts enough pressure on them (and even this can take time). And they tend to flock to groups of people who have been treated unfairly, knowing that the victimized will be loath to keep the pressure up on them. We become their enablers, taken advantage of just so that they won't have to grow thw fuck up. Everyone here knows "one of THOSE geeks", at least. We have whole boards full of them, like /pol/ and /r9k/.

You sound like one of them. Every post of yours makes it clearer.

>>17421660
>Used to be I heard this shit and my heart rate would go up and I couldn't think straight and I'd get sweaty, all of which would fuck up my thinking and I need a cool head to lie properly and do all the body language and shit
>I'm at my weakest socially when I'm tired, sad, or mad, so I always have to get good sleep and whenever something is starting to make me feel bad I have to block it out with something else until its buried
>Well now that I'm basically numb to this music thats one less problen to deal with
You are a bit weird, has anyone ever told you that?
>>But they played the game and reaped the rewards
>And stepping on me and kicking me aside was part of it
>Fuck. Them.
You ever think that you deserve it? I'm talking to you anonymously and I can tell I'd dislike you in person
Do you ever read what you write?

>>So they didn't deserve to get laid because they enjoy things the majority enjoy?
>>oh I like the shitty shit everyone else obsesses over I get laid now
They aren't liking it to be laid, they aren't saying "its so great liking the top 40, it gets me laid", are they?

>I hate them so much, but I've learned that if I seem identical to them then I can have what they have
You hate regular people, but have to "act" normal to enjoy the benefits of being normal?

>Yeah I deserve it, after all these years of being left out, all this struggle and work and misery, I've put in so much I've devoted the past 4 years of my life to it
>I deserve it
No, you don't.
I can send Megan Fox fan mail asking her to sleep with me for 10 years, spamming her social media pages with "notice me and reply to my letters please respond", but it doesn't mean I deserve a thing.

You were left out, picked on and stepped over because you are a social outcast, by your own choice or otherwise.
You don't deserve a thing.
One day you will meet someone who would have liked you for you, and she won't trust you because you are so fake.

>>17421677
I didn't even get the chance to read it before I replied, I have to sift through a wall of text to try and save your autistic ass from self destruction.

>>17421478
>Being myself is what got me into this mess to begin with
You sound to me like you're still dicking around with the impulse-driven half-psyche we're all born with -Freud's id, Jung's shadow- and never growing beyond. How can you be yourself when you've never built a self?

>>17421691
less-functional

FUCK THEM

Yeah all caps faggot

I always got perfect scores on shit without even studying, I was reading books instead of playing with balls and listening to projects and welfare music, I was curious about science instead of about the latest fuck head celebrity

I could hold conversations with people 30 years older than me but the people my age couldn't read a fucking page outloud for the class without sounding like they had downs syndrome

Your entire post is horse shit, it was never any of us that was the problem, it was this shit tier society that has always been the problem

Recognizing that in order to thrive you have to blend in does not equal saying that the society is any good, it just means your going to make due with things until the society gets better or you can move


>You sound like one of them. Every post of yours makes it clearer.

Well then what does it make me when you factor in all the change stuff, what do you call one of these people who learned all this and then is emulating it successfully but at the same time still heavily resents all of it

>>17421695
>You are a bit weird, has anyone ever told you that?

Oh no I've been a paragon of social success

>You ever think that you deserve it? I'm talking to you anonymously and I can tell I'd dislike you in person
Do you ever read what you write?

They were pricks, they were assholes, its not their success that pisses me off its that they are bastards and treated me like shit which was not required at all to get what they wanted, they did it out of spite

>They aren't liking it to be laid, they aren't saying "its so great liking the top 40, it gets me laid", are they?

No, they really do like that shit tier music, it says a lot about them

>You hate regular people, but have to "act" normal to enjoy the benefits of being normal?

Exactly


>No, you don't.

I told you guys someone would say that >>17421671

See here for my response >>17421687


>One day you will meet someone who would have liked you for you

I turned 19, 3 months ago
Where was that person for all my life?

>and she won't trust you because you are so fake.

She will like me because she won't know what I'm really like

>>17421705
What?

>>17421671
>Because being a normie faggot and playing sports and listen to inner citty black people going AYY SHAWTY AYY at age 15 entitles you to sex
No, it doesn't.

>>17421687
>Everything that's been asked of me I've done, everything I've been told to do to seem normal and attractive I've done
Congratulations on faking being normal
>For ages now I've spent every day working on changing everything about how others perceive me, hoping so much that it would work
Wow you are weird
>All I want in life is just to fuck, I don't want to be rich, or famous, I dont want a bunch of food, or drinks, or property
You could have saved a lot of time and money and just got a hooker
>I just want want 10s of millions of guys got to have in their childhood bedrooms at age 15
I lost my virginity when I was 19, it isn't a race, you are a very jealous person.
>I have sacrificed everything for it so for anyone to tell me I still don't deserve it pisses me off so much
You are fake, you haven't sacrificed shit, you don't deserve anything.

Want to know how your life will turn out?
You will enjoy the casual encounters, but you won't be able to have a relationship, no woman will like you beyond a year when the act fades away and they realise what a cunt you are.
Then you will be 35 and crying that you deserve a virgin bride, you will be jealous of every girl who had a relationship before you, it will eat away at you, they will leave you and do oh so much better.
You have never worked on your own personality, you have no qualities, you have nothing people look for in a friend or partner.
Enjoy being fake, it won't help you much once you finish education.

I don't envy you for fucking girls and faking liking the top 40, I pity you.

I hope that bigging yourself up in your own head works out for you, after all, once the facade falls off, it is all that you will have, because you certainly won't have anyone's respect.

I've noticed it, too. I know a dude who is a literal sociopath and a lazy loser and girls fawn over towards him, no matter how bad he treats them. It would be fascinating to watch, if it wasn't so sad.

>inb4 "you're just a jealous /nice guy/!"

I'm just a regular dude desu.

>>17421725
>Oh no I've been a paragon of social success
I can tell, after being shit on most of your life, you try to bang women who are drunk at parties

>Do you ever read what you write?
>They were pricks, they were assholes, its not their success that pisses me off its that they are bastards and treated me like shit which was not required at all to get what they wanted, they did it out of spite
Maybe they put you down because you are fucking weird, ever consider that?

>No, they really do like that shit tier music, it says a lot about them
*stop liking things I don't like!*

>>You hate regular people, but have to "act" normal to enjoy the benefits of being normal?
>Exactly
>>No, you don't.
>I told you guys someone would say that >>17421671
Well done on your great intellect, how did you come to the conclusion? did you realise that you act like a cunt? did you realise that you aren't entitled to anything? or do you think the whole world is out to get you?
>See here for my response >>17421687
And here's my response to that post >>17421727

>>One day you will meet someone who would have liked you for you
>I turned 19, 3 months ago
>Where was that person for all my life?
HAHA! oh my fucking god you are serious? you expect to meet the love of your life at 19?
You are a lost cause at 19 and you think you have everything planned out?
Now I really pity you.

>She will like me because she won't know what I'm really like
And you know this with all your experience of relationships?
You won't be able to keep being fake for that long, she will spend a weekend with you and realise what you are like, that's more than a drunk student who doesn't really acknowledge you does.

tl;dr you aren't entitled to anything and you have a very bleak future ahead of you, I hope your superior intelligence helps you figure out that you wife and her son are going to leave you for someone who isn't a cunt.

>>17421727
>Congratulations on faking being normal
tybby

>You could have saved a lot of time and money and just got a hooker
I dont have infinite money and hookers demand you do it wrapped so thats not gonna pan out

>it isnt race
No but it still sucks balls being left behind for this long

>it isn't a race, you are a very jealous person.

That tends to happen to someone when their quality of life is shit compared to everyone around them

>You are fake, you haven't sacrificed shit, you don't deserve anything.
I starved myself until I nearly blacked out, for 6 MONTHS
I lost 65 pounds by doing it

Do you know what it feels like to starve?
It is terrible

I've worked out at the gym until I could barely walk

I've spent days and days pouring over all the social skills and body language shit I could

Ive adopted the customs and norms of everything I hate

I have cut off contact with my natural kin because from a purely pragmatic perspective they aren't worth the time it would take to interact with them

Most guys never even have to even try, it just fucking happens, it just falls into their lap

"
Want to know how your life will turn out?
You will enjoy the casual encounters, but you won't be able to have a relationship, no woman will like you beyond a year when the act fades away and they realise what a cunt you are.
Then you will be 35 and crying that you deserve a virgin bride, you will be jealous of every girl who had a relationship before you, it will eat away at you, they will leave you and do oh so much better.
You have never worked on your own personality, you have no qualities, you have nothing people look for in a friend or partner.
Enjoy being fake, it won't help you much once you finish education."

Your entire paragraph is bullshit, once I get laid I will be ecstatic, I will have achieve a social level that enables me to do basically whatever I want, and I will never have my supply of sex threatened again (more coming)

>>17421760
>No but it still sucks balls being left behind for this long
I know people who didn't get laid until they were 24, but they didn't cry about being left behind.

>>it isn't a race, you are a very jealous person.
>That tends to happen to someone when their quality of life is shit compared to everyone around them
Your quality of life was affected because you didn't get laid?
Did the supermarket refuse to sell you food because you weren't getting laid?

>>You are fake, you haven't sacrificed shit, you don't deserve anything.
>I starved myself until I nearly blacked out, for 6 MONTHS
>I lost 65 pounds by doing it
>Do you know what it feels like to starve?
>It is terrible, that's 5lbs less, you dieted the wrong way.

>I've worked out at the gym until I could barely walk
Do you know what over training is?

>I've spent days and days pouring over all the social skills and body language shit I could
>Ive adopted the customs and norms of everything I hate
>I have cut off contact with my natural kin because from a purely pragmatic perspective they aren't worth the time it would take to interact with them
HAHAHAHA

>Most guys never even have to even try, it just fucking happens, it just falls into their lap
>want to know how I got laid? I talked to women, did they fall into my lap too? am I terrible because I'm likeable?

>Your entire paragraph is bullshit, once I get laid I will be ecstatic
Wait, I thought you had gotten laid? you still haven't gotten laid? whats wrong? do people still think you are a creep or do they realise you are fake?
>I will have achieve a social level that enables me to do basically whatever I want
oh yeah because once you get laid you get a special card which basically lets you get laid whenever... pffffffffffffft
>and I will never have my supply of sex threatened again
Until people realise that you are weird and fake, getting laid isn't something you have a supply of.

Don't bother with the next post, my post clearly struck a nerve

>I don't envy you for fucking girls and faking liking the top 40, I pity you.

Hey I havent fucked any girls yet, thats the goal though

And I dont need your pity chad

>I hope that bigging yourself up in your own head works out for you

It will, and its not for me its for everyone else

>after all, once the facade falls off, it is all that you will have

If I can master how to get laid whenever I want the rest of the country can crumble and burn in hell for all I care, and maintaining the facade indefinitely is part of that, if one person or group of people catches on I'll move onto the next and so on

Ive never belonged here anyways

>because you certainly won't have anyone's respect.

The lack of respect would be 100% mutual, they can burn in hell

>>17421752
>try to bang drunk girls

I actually haven't tried it yet because the few times girls got drunk enough that it would work they either immediately left or were guarded by loads of people so I knew better than to try anything

>Maybe they put you down because you are fucking weird, ever consider that?
Fuck them, they are vermin by large parts of the planets standards and even by people who lived here in the past

>Well done on your great intellect, how did you come to the conclusion? did you realise that you act like a cunt? did you realise that you aren't entitled to anything? or do you think the whole world is out to get you?
Go to hell

>And you know this with all your experience of relationships?
I know that I could at least keep it going for a few months

From everything I've read people who do what I do only ever get found out over the long term, if at all, and when/if it happens they just pack up and move on to the next one and so on

>tl;dr you aren't entitled to anything and you have a very bleak future ahead of you
I'm entitled to it and I have a godly future ahead of me

I cant wait to finally fuck, its going to be heaven

>>17421752
>I hope your superior intelligence helps you figure out that you wife and her son are going to leave you for someone who isn't a cunt.


I don't plan on getting married or having kids

>>17421781
>I dont need your pity chad
I'm far from being Chad

>>I hope that bigging yourself up in your own head works out for you
>It will, and its not for me its for everyone else
So when you talk about all these qualities that you don't share, people like you?

>>after all, once the facade falls off, it is all that you will have
>If I can master how to get laid whenever I want the rest of the country can crumble and burn in hell for all I care...
But you can't master it, you aren't normal and can't maintain a relationship long enough to achieve it

>>try to bang drunk girls
>I actually haven't tried it yet because the few times girls got drunk enough that it would work they either immediately left or were guarded by loads of people so I knew better than to try anything
So your best bet of getting laid is pulling a drunk girl away and raping her? the facade must be working out for you!

>Fuck them, they are vermin by large parts of the planets standards and even by people who lived here in the past
Oh I'd love to know where or when

>>Well done on your great intellect...
>Go to hell
Aww whats wrong baby, don't like having your bubble burst?

>>And you know this with all your experience of relationships?
>I know that I could at least keep it going for a few months
>From everything I've read...
You can't learn life experience on wikihow, sorry.

>>tl;dr you aren't entitled to anything and you have a very bleak future ahead of you
>I'm entitled to it and I have a godly future ahead of me
How did you figure that out, champ?
>I cant wait to finally fuck, its going to be heaven
No, getting laid is nothing to write home about, sorry to break that to you, blowjobs are over rated too.

>>17421791
>I don't plan on getting married or having kids
I pointed out that nobody will spend long with you to get laid, your best bet is dating a single mother who needs financial stability.

>>17421777
>Wait, I thought you had gotten laid? you still haven't gotten laid? whats wrong? do people still think you are a creep or do they realise you are fake?

There's something called cocoon mode, its basically where you stop attempting to interact with people for a while to self improve yourself

The only interaction I get is at the gym and the way people have been interacting with me there just eclipses the way anyone has ever interacted with me before in terms of how much they seem to like me

The improvement is nearly done and the gym people are a great sign

>oh yeah because once you get laid you get a special card which basically lets you get laid whenever... pffffffffffffft

If I get laid due to skill and not just luck thats gonna be how it is
Even if I get it once due to luck that will be fantastic, but I will still need to sharpen my skills

The whole, learn to fish, eat forever, buy a fish or stumble on one, eat for a day thing

>Until people realise that you are weird and fake, getting laid isn't something you have a supply of.
If anyone ever catches on I will leave and move on to new people

>cant have a supply of it

Yeah you actually can, its something I want and I need to make sure that I never have to go without it again here soon

>>17421805
Oh lol now this guy has gone from admitting that what I'm doing is going to work and he hates me for it
>>17421695
>>17421695

to saying "lol jk it wont work haha kys nerd"

>im far from one
You sound just like one, you are extremely successful socially and sexually, and you look down on and talk shit to guys like me

>So when you talk about all these qualities that you don't share, people like you?

Yeah its called lying, when people think you are like them they like you, its called mirroring its a psychology concept

>But you can't master it, you aren't normal and can't maintain a relationship long enough to achieve it
I totally can and you've already admitted it

>sarcastic trolling attempt follows

>No, getting laid is nothing to write home about, sorry to break that to you, blowjobs are over rated too.
I dont believe you and I will never believe you

>I pointed out that nobody will spend long with you to get laid, your best bet is dating a single mother who needs financial stability.

A few weeks is all I need, girls in this country often times put out before they start to get seriously romantic

If I can't maintain the facade of serious romance I'll just run off and move onto the next one

Maybe I'll cycle between "girlfriends" once every few months or so

Adding to >>17421805
You are pretty much the next Elliot Roger, except more pathetic.
You think you have a plan, but you have no life experience or social experience, you know your best bet of getting laid is taking advantage of a drunk girl.
You aren't going to have a harem of women or a supply of sex, you aren't going to be liked in the world of employment, because you lack social skills.

You might know to look someone in the eye, you might know to have a firm hand shake, but when you try to implement them, you will fuck up, because you won't be prepared for every outcome.

You might be gifted when it comes to exams, you might follow every wikihow on relationships, you might subscribe to every PUA, but you won't be able to implement it.
Your experience of "fitting in" is wearing nice clothes and being for the most part unknown at parties, well done, you got dressed and walked into something anyone can walk into.
I walked into a party at a university dorm when I was 24, I walked in off the street, drank their alcohol and talked to people, I was obviously not a student, but I could just walk in, nobody cared, I wasn't shunned, that's how easy it is, you aren't doing anything special.

>>17421822
>cocoon mode
did you get that from wikihow, an inforgraphic or /fit/?

>If I get laid due to skill and not just luck thats gonna be how it is
Do you think you can enter the konami code and get laid? or there is a specific routine? you have a lot to learn.

>Even if I get it once due to luck that will be fantastic, but I will still need to sharpen my skills
You mean if you can pull a drunk girl away from a group?

>If anyone ever catches on I will leave
You do realise how small the world is don't you?

>>cant have a supply of it
>Yeah you actually can, its something I want and I need to make sure that I never have to go without it again here soon
And you know this without getting laid ever?

You have a plan, it just isn't very good, nor is it based in reality.

>>17421832
I don't think you guys are taking what I'm saying about people acting literally really nice to me lately seriously

You keep on ignoring it

Also everyone and their dog keeps telling me to join clubs, rush frats, and get myself out there and socialize

I'm doing or am going to do all that, I'm gonna hike, kyak, play casual sports, go to clubs, gardens, blah blah yadayada go to clubs so and blah

I've had people tell me that all of this will work, people who have done all of this before, they keep emphasizing that if anyone finds out (like you guys) they will despise me but as long as I hide it people will like me

>whole defeatist rant
blah blah

>your elliot rodger

No I'm not
Elliot had the importance of sex right but he never figured out that he needed to make it happen himself instead he just sat around waiting for it

>>17421829
>Oh lol now this guy has gone from admitting that what I'm doing is going to work and he hates me for it
No, I pointed out it won't last long enough to work.

>>im far from one
>You sound just like one, you are extremely successful socially and sexually, and you look down on and talk shit to guys like me
I was fat until I was 20, I got a girlfriend at 18, I got laid at 19, I got fit at 21 and a career at 23, I'm not socially gifted

>>So when you talk about all these qualities that you don't share, people like you?
>Yeah its called lying, when people think you are like them they like you, its called mirroring its a psychology concept
But you don't have any proof it can work outside of "I attended a social function anyone can walk into"

>>But you can't master it, you aren't normal and can't maintain a relationship long enough to achieve it
>I totally can and you've already admitted it
When?

>>No, getting laid is nothing to write home about, sorry to break that to you, blowjobs are over rated too.
>I dont believe you and I will never believe you
You don't have to believe me, but you won't ever learn without a hooker or taking advantage of a drunk girl

>>I pointed out that nobody will spend long with you to get laid, your best bet is dating a single mother who needs financial stability.
>A few weeks is all I need, girls in this country often times put out before they start to get seriously romantic
They won't like you for that long either

>If I can't maintain the facade of serious romance I'll just run off and move onto the next one
>Maybe I'll cycle between "girlfriends" once every few months or so
Maybe, but you need to manage first.
Great plan, but you still have no proof it can work, nor do you have the experience.

>>17421849
I'm still one person, you aren't defending yourself on multiple fronts,
Every post since >>17421621
save for your posts and
>>17421691
>>17421705
>>17421735
the response have been pretty much from me.

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>>17421850
Im getting kinda tired of this honestly

Either I'm talking to two people or one person

Basically sex is my life goal, I'm gonna do literally everything I can to make it happen, and so far I'm copying verbatim the normal person play book

I dont think people smiling, laughing, and inviting to do shit with them counts as people instantly seeing through my lies

I could always just grab a gun and rape a girl at gun point, but instead I'm doing all of this

So if you care so much about their precious little feelings then you ought to hope that this pans out for me, now I'm nearly 100% that it will, but theres always technically a chance

I think you think it will work, your just trying to troll me into thinking it wont

Other guys have told me before it will work like I already said, and here are some of their words

Also I dont believe this guy just so you know

Also I have more caps and they are ones that encourage me so hang on

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>>17421850
>>17421862

>>17421849
>I don't think you guys are taking what I'm saying about people acting literally really nice to me lately seriously
You are cocoon mode, and you attend parties, how are people acting literally really nice to you?
>You keep on ignoring it
Well try providing examples.

>Also everyone and their dog keeps telling me to join clubs, rush frats, and get myself out there and socialize
Because that's what normal people do.

>I'm doing or am going to do all that, I'm gonna hike, kyak, play casual sports, go to clubs, gardens, blah blah yadayada go to clubs so and blah
When you leave your cocoon? what about when people tell you how weird you are?

>I've had people tell me that all of this will work, people who have done all of this before, they keep emphasizing that if anyone finds out (like you guys) they will despise me but as long as I hide it people will like me
But you can't hide it, that's the point.
Your master plan is poorly imitating others based on your perceptions of wikihow articles and social media, being in shape wont hide it, joining clubs wont hide it

>>whole defeatist rant
>blah blah
Where?

>>your elliot rodger
>No I'm not
>Elliot had the importance of sex right but he never figured out that he needed to make it happen himself instead he just sat around waiting for it
I know you aren't, Elliot Roger is dead.
You are just a budget, knock of version of him whose best bet is raping a drunk girl or getting a hooker.

Seeing as your idea is to be /fit/ and imitate what you see on social media, I am picturing a skinny curlbro shouting "deez nuts" and "my name jeff", then saying "on fleek" whenever he likes something.
Are you getting ideas from black twitter too?

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>>17421862

Also one guy a while back said something like

"Once you have what you want it will taste as ash in your mouth"

What a dumbass

>>17421870
>Im getting kinda tired of this honestly
I'm having a great time, I really am hoping you are a bad troll, because that would be art tier trolling.

>Basically sex is my life goal, I'm gonna do literally everything I can to make it happen, and so far I'm copying verbatim the normal person play book
You could save time and hire a hooker.
But I'm sure the plan of taking advantage of a drunk girl will work out for you.

>I dont think people smiling, laughing, and inviting to do shit with them counts as people instantly seeing through my lies
Or maybe they are giving you the same chance they give everyone else? I invite people to everything, like most people do.
You really aren't special, nor is your plan working.

>I could always just grab a gun and rape a girl at gun point, but instead I'm doing all of this
Or you could hire a hooker, you come across as creepy and they will most likely opt for being shot, or overpower you

>So if you care so much about their precious little feelings then you ought to hope that this pans out for me, now I'm nearly 100% that it will, but theres always technically a chance
Of course, you could aslso got to a club and ask every woman "will you sleep with me?", there's technically a chance there too.
Also where does the 100% figure come from? you have never implemented it, nor do you have any social experience.

>I think you think it will work, your just trying to troll me into thinking it wont
I know it won't work, not a troll, your best plan by your own admission is taking advantage of a drunk girl.

>Other guys have told me before it will work like I already said, and here are some of their words
Some anonymous people told you that you were doing it wrong and gave you tips, but you think they believe your plan will work?

You actually took screen grabs of posts to try and delude yourself into thinking your plan has a chance?

I really do pity you, but not as much as the kid of the single mother who settles for you.

>>17421886
I haven't been to a party since November, pre-cocoon mode

I have been to the gym, and I'm a regular there, and other regulars are warming up to me, and guys and girls alike smile, and laugh, and have cool conversations with me

And I dont mean the nervous laughter and fake tight lipped smile, I mean actual laughter and the smile where their teeth show, their facial muscle involuntarily pull up, and their eyes squint

>Well try providing examples.

I don't remember them all for word but they all general revolve around spontaneous conversation about gym equipment and lead to short convos about shit we like (I lie) and cool (stupid) things happening around campus

The only reason why the convos dont go on longer is because they want to get back to their workout

>Because that's what normal people do.
Well thats what Im doing

>When you leave your cocoon?
Yeah
>how weird you are

Do you think I'm just a walking chris chan or something?

Damn

>But you can't hide it, that's the point.

Faggot Im not using shitty wikihow or twitter Im using psychology sociology and neurology books: how to win friends and influence people, a billion wicked thoughts, the definitive book of body language, talk language, the psychology of influence

Im also studying normie culture
You keep acting like I cant consciously fake body language, words, or any of the other shit

When I explain why you go "lalala I cant hear you lol no your doomed"

You put waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much faith in the average person to be able to automatically see through people

>>17421908
>I know it wont work the post

How

>I just know

No how

>I just know

Shut up already

>I really do pity you, but not as much as the kid of the single mother who settles for you.

>lololol your fucked

>I really do pity you, but not as much as the kid of the single mother who settles for you.


>your doomed
>girl gets together with me

You cant even keep your posts all on the same page

What's MGTOW and/or the red pill?

>>17421909
>I have been to the gym, and I'm a regular there, and other regulars are warming up to me, and guys and girls alike smile, and laugh, and have cool conversations with me
They acknowledge you? wow! are the cool conversations like "how many sets do you have left?" or "what muscle group are you working today?"

>And I dont mean the nervous laughter...
You actually read a microexpressions book to help with your autism?

>I don't remember them all for word but they all general revolve around spontaneous conversation about gym equipment
OH SHIT I CALLED IT! I didn't even get this far!

>and lead to short convos about shit we like (I lie) and cool (stupid) things happening around campus
So small talk is people warming up to you in your head? I have those sorts of conversations at train stations with people I've never met.

>The only reason why the convos dont go on longer is because they want to get back to their workout
You'd think it was polite small talk, wouldn't you mastermind?

>Do you think I'm just a walking chris chan or something?
Maybe an elliot roger/chris chan, pre "Sonic has blue arms"

>>But you can't hide it, that's the point.
>Faggot Im not using shitty wikihow or twitter Im using psychology sociology and neurology books: how to win friends and influence people, a billion wicked thoughts, the definitive book of body language, talk language, the psychology of influence
Are you learning power poses too?
You can't get experience from a book, retard, talking to people is natural, not a flow chart.

>Im also studying normie culture
>You keep acting like I cant consciously fake body language, words, or any of the other shit
Well you can't, talking to a person is different to yourself in the mirror, what do you say when someone picks on you?

>When I explain why you go "lalala I cant hear you lol no your doomed"
You aren't explaining though

>too much faith in the average person
And you know better because of your rich social life?

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>>17421941
Listen bonger chad

You were in the same boat as me at one point and crawled out of it, so dont try to pretend like you were born as a social casanova either

I have shit to do now, the semester starts on the 20th and I'm worn out from this conversation and Im gonna close this stupid tab now and go, I've said all I have to say and all your going to do is keep trying to poke holes in it no matter what because regardless of whether you actually think, behind your screen across the Atlantic, that it will work or not you will never say anything other than insults because you hate me


You better hope this works out for me if you care so much about other people like you say you do

>>17421919
>How
Because you don't have the experience
>No how
Because you don't have the experience and think small talk and acknowledgement is people warming up to you

>your doomed
>girl gets together with me
But you haven't gotten a girl, ever.

>You cant even keep your posts all on the same page
??? I'm only replying to this thread.

>>17421954
>You were in the same boat as me at one point and crawled out of it, so dont try to pretend like you were born as a social casanova either
I didn't pretend shit, I am just normal and talk to people
>I'm worn out from this conversation and Im gonna close this stupid tab now and go
can't handle the truth eh mastermind?
>you hate me
No, I pity you.

>You better hope this works out for me if you care so much about other people like you say you do
I know it wont.

Your plan won't work because you have no social skills or experience, you might know from a book, but you don't know how to implement it.
It is like boxing.
You can read about correct punching form, defence, western boxing skills and Filipino boxing skills, you can read every boxer's autobiography, you can watch video on it, you can get a punch bag and practise.
But if you ever got into a fight, you wouldn't be able to use it.
Even if you know to point your hip at who you intend to hit, you won't do it under pressure, you punch will still be weak, you won't know when to react and dodge or block a punch.
You will get hit, then your master plan is gone, you either cover up, or give up and get the shit kicked out of you.
Your plan will fail when someone takes the piss out of you and you turn red

Because I've met a hundred people like you, I know your plan wont work, because I've seen people imitate a wide range of people and get caught near instantly, I know it wont work.
You will be the social outcast of your university.
You are just so invested in your plan, you refuse to see it wont work.
Have fun at uni, mastermind, I hope being a stepdad at 35 works out for you.

>>17420369
>coming from a guy who is an asshole

because we don't play nice. we don't give them what everyone else does, special treatment. We look half decent, we play rough, we treat them like we'd treat a guy or worse at times, were dominant and possesive. some girls are into that. .

>>17420413

The count of cunts

>>17421433
>Him, I respect.
HE DOESN'T NEED SOME SELF RIGHTEOUS FAGGOT ON AN INDONESIAN 8 PIXEL BOARD'S RESPECT

HE WANTED GF

YOUR "RESPECT" DOES NOT GIVE HIM LAID AND PROVED YOUR POINTS WRONG ABOUT HUMAN LIMITATIONS

>>17420369
Because "assholes" actually approach girls and talk to them

Although what I don't understand is why a man usually needs to approach the woman rather than the woman approaching the man

My boyfriend's actually one of those guys that everyone likes and gets along with but okay

>>17420369
>Seriously, why do girls always go for the assholes?
because they are interesting and you just call them assholes because you're jealous

>>17422244
nah some are legitimate assholes with girlfriends. bullies,women beaters, and criminals

>>17421660

Why would anyone want to be with you? You offer no value whatsoever but probably still see yourself as a 'nice guy'

Girls don't want assholes, girls want a project, something they can fix up. Guys have models and cars, girls have dead beats and musicians.

>>17422339
>girls want a project, something they can fix up

Did you learn this from a Michael Cera movie? Cause it's not the reality whatsoever.

All I want is to find a nice girl to settle down and have a couple kids with. And I think a lot more guys are interested in the same thing than is commonly thought. And yet I look at this thread and am disheartened. Where does all this animosity come from?

>>17422244
>>17422335
>>17422339
>>17422232
All you guys are projecting and not really answering OP'S question. Him being actually nice and "nice" doesn't mean shit because the girls rather go out with guys that don't put that much effort into the girl, make fun of her, and flirt with other women. He didn't say all the guys girls go out with are assholes, he's talking the ones that DO treat her like shit. Granted, OP could be a beta that's too needy and puts her on a pedestal, BUT tell OP WHY they rather date the ones that are assholes. No need for mental gymnastics

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>>17422378
well too bad she is not thinking the same thing and she is thinking about that bad boy with abs that she wants to suck off. also she is probably thinking of settling with a beta chump like you after she had her fun.

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> am girl who has been hit on by a lot of "nice guys" and one "chad"
I was way more attracted to the chad because he was the only to treat me more than just an innocent girl.
All the nice guys who i spoke to treated me like some pure angel. It was refreshing to be treated like someone that was more than just capable of innocent snuggling. It was exciting and new. I wasn't being called cute. I was being called sexy. I don't want to be treated like an innocent little girl and the chad didn't.

>>17422415
>Him being actually nice and "nice" doesn't mean shit

Actually it does because he's trying to paint a picture of him being so different from the "assholes" he hates when in essence he's just as bad if not worse. At least the asshole is honest with who he is as a person, the "nice guy" is hoping to con the woman into falling in love by pretending to be their friend in hope for a reward at the end.

> girls rather go out with guys that don't put that much effort into the girl, make fun of her, and flirt with other women

This is an excuse and most often a myth. Are there women stuck in abusive relationships? Yes, are these women the reason why you can't get a woman to like you? no.

>tell OP WHY they rather date the ones that are assholes

I'll start by asking him, why does he even care? If someone he knows is in an abusive relationship then sure get involved in that and try and help them out, but more often than not this is just used as an excuse and a crutch to not be proactive.

>Oh no womyn just like the assholes thats why im single and will be forever alone ;_;

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>>17422481
sure thing

>>17422485

And to add to this, the reason you're single isn't cause all the "Chads" are taking all the girls, the reason you're single cause you probably don't have proper hygiene and grooming, aren't interesting, dont have any intriguing hobbies or stories which come from leaving your comfort zone and going out and experiencing life, and most importantly don't have any value to offer the other person.

If you did some self examination you'd find this out to, if you really wanted to make a change you'd take the first step, instead of blaming everyone other than you about it. What other "Chads" are doing is completely irrelevant to your situation.

>>17422494
You don't have to believe me if you don't want to. Anyway all girl's are different and want to be treated different ways. I just don't like being treated like a little girl.
>old white men calling me missy (┛◉Д◉)┛彡┻━┻

This thread has made me realize something. I am a "Chad" and it feels fucking bad man. I'm very sorry but I can't stop.

>>17422341
Not that anon, but one of my friends in high school has been in an abusive relationship for the last 3 or 4 years because she thinks she can fix him or something. She's cut contact with most of not all her friends including one of her childhood friends for this fuck.

>>17422517
No worries. You're the defector according to Game Theory (I mean like the John Nash stuff). You're like that rich guy who gets away with not paying taxes. It's all good. Just enjoy the decline.

>>17422485
>he's trying to paint a picture of him being so different from the "assholes" he hates when in essence he's just as bad if not worse

Nope. Directly talking about the guys that DO treat girls like shit. Newsflash, people cheat on their s/o and it ain't rare.

>At least the asshole is honest with who he is as a person, the "nice guy" is hoping to con the woman into falling in love by pretending to be their friend in hope for a reward at the end.

If I shot you with a gun, will you respect me as a good person if I admit I shot you? No. An asshole is still an asshole.
Here's the real fucking thing about "nice guy's " you need to get in your skull : It's not an act. That's just how they display affection. Is it effective? No. Is he the better person? Who knows. Was he just pretending to be nice to a girl? It doesn't make sense. If there was a right way the "nice guy" knew how to gets girls, he would had done it. But they have little to no personality, no confidence, and decideds to be needy push overs.

>This is an excuse and most often a myth.
>What is banter?
>What is arguing?
>What is not showing her enough quality time?
>What is cheating?


>es, are these women the reason why you can't get a woman to like you? no.

You're right because it's women that have that preference that most guys can't understand


>I'll start by asking him, why does he even care
Based off what he sees, should THIS TIME not be honest and pretend to be an asshole to get women? When he was a nice guy, he wasn't getting girls.


>the reason you're single cause you probably don't have proper hygiene and grooming, aren't interesting, dont have any intriguing hobbies or stories which come from leaving your comfort zone and going out and experiencing life, and most importantly don't have any value to offer the other person.

You've decided to get in your fucking feelings and project all that bullshit that doesn't apply to me.

>>17422481
no wonder you end up with guys who treat you like fuck dolls.

>>17422485
Why does the whole "nice guy" thing trigger you so? So what if its manipulating? You don't thing chad by telling you are sexy isn't trying to accomplish the same thing? Why should one strategy be so preferred over the other?

>>17422505
>If you did some self examination you'd find this out to, if you really wanted to make a change you'd take the first step, instead of blaming everyone other than
I'm not OP and he asked about the men getting girls.


>you about it. What other "Chads" are doing is completely irrelevant to your situation.

Again, OP made a thread about them. He didn't ask "How do I get gf" he asked why girls tend to go for the guys that are rude to them instead of treating better than he would anyone else

>>17422561

English is clearly not your first language so I'm sure a lot of what I said went right over your head.

>It's not an act

But it is. You're no better than the Chads you hate, at least with the "Chad" (I really hate using this stupid /r9k/ term for someone who isn't a real life sperg) he is being open and direct about who he is.

I seriously doubt that you're up all night weeping for the women in sheltered homes.

And that was the misconception I was talking about, those men don't get girls cause they're assholes, your definition of what that is beyond skewed, you mistake confidence and assertiveness for it.

>>17422572
It's a woman. If course they don't know Chad can be just as manipulative. It's only okay if you're attractive

>>17422572

>trigger

Nice buzzwords.

>what if its manipulating?

Cause it is and no one likes being manipulated. You're just advocating stagnation and remaining who you are and hoping that some day results will change. They won't, and you'll still be alone 10 years from now cause you think the world should work the way you want it to, when it doesn't and it never will.

>>17422584
>its a woman

I'm not a woman you idiot. Again, making, generalizations, assumptions, rationalizations and excuses for someone who doesn't wank off to your defeatist mentality. I think you're on the wrong board

>>>/r9k/

>>17422582
We feel bad because the girls we like are being treated poorly by Chad.

What's wrong with you?

>>17422576

How can you claim that OP is a so-called nice guy when in his same post he calls women cunts? This is such a huge double standard I'm shocked it goes right over your head.

>he asked why girls tend to go for the guys that are rude to them

And the question I gave back, is why do you care?

And to answer the question is that they don't. You just think that they do cause you don't have a semblance of how social interactions work or you haven't been taught.

>>17422582
>But it is.

You don't know shit about them. How dare you assume you know how "real" a person is if you don't really know them? Being genourous and being extra is something they've been told what to do to attract girls.
>I seriously doubt that you're up all night weeping for the women in sheltered homes.

WHO THE FUCK WAS TALKING ABOUT SHELTERED WOMEN? WHEN DID I SAY PHYSICAL ABUSE?

>your definition of what that is beyond skewed, you mistake confidence and assertiveness for it.

Funny because I believe women generally mistake confidence for arrogance and assertiveness for aggressiveness

>>17422601

Wow such a humanitarian you are. Why don't you do something about it then instead of crying about it on a chinese imageboard? Oh wait cause that's not what you really care about. You just want to piss and moan about how women have stupid logic and how they never give nice guys like you a chance.

>>17422608
Nice sarcasm, douche.

I guess you really don't think real nice guys exist? That sounds misandrist.

>>17422615

>That sounds misandrist

And you wonder why girls dont want to spend more than 30 seconds in your presence.

>>17422485
>in essence he's just as bad if not worse. At least the asshole is honest with who he is as a person, the "nice guy" is hoping to con the woman into falling in love by pretending to be their friend in hope for a reward at the end.

I love how this argument always comes up. If you assume everyone in the world is an asshole, then the only people in the world are assholes who are honest, and assholes who are even bigger assholes because they are being secretly assholes while on the surface behaving nicely.
Is there such thing as a person who is honestly just a nice person, who wants to treat you like more than just a sex object? Furthermore, a relationship is far more than just sex - it's a degree of emotional bond that runs deeper than just friendship. That being said, it always seemed to me that being friends with someone was a prerequisite for being in a relationship with them. So yeah, they might hope for more than just friendship when they first meet you. But they could shortly find out you were a bitch, and since they took the time to get to know you first they dodged a bullet.
But nope, it's all about wanting to get into a woman's pants and you're an asshole for wanting to see what kind of a person she is first.

inb4 someone calls me a forever beta nice guy; I had a woman friend (who I was interested in at the time) tell me she'd rather date an asshole than a nice guy since "you know what you're getting with them," then once I got into a healthy relationship with another friend she would always shoot us strange looks when she thought we weren't looking, my gf identified them as "weird looks of jealousy." Looking back, I'm glad I didn't get with friend #1, but I still never quite understood the thought process of just assuming everyone in the world is either an asshole who openly wants to fuck you, or an asshole who wants to pretend to be your friend so he can fuck you. There is another option.

>>17422617
I typed out a response but I just don't care anymore. You'll never get it.

hey guys, official Chad here, willing to answer any and all questions. Ask me anything

>>17422618

I wasn't making an argument. I was making a statement. People will be who they are, either cause that's how they were raised or they learnt it from their friends. I am pretty much not concerned with policing the world and generalizing what all girls do.

>Wahh why do all girls like assholes

They don't, you just think they do cause you're on the outside looking in and you see this guy you don't know who you've branded "Chad" acting like an asshole which most of the time is just assertive confidence and comfort in their own skin. Clearly here I am not referring to someone who physically beats their girlfriends or cheats, that's a whole other conversation.

> it always seemed to me that being friends with someone was a prerequisite for being in a relationship with them

Yeah sure you can take this approach if that's how you want to live your life, but most often than not most girls have had guys like you come into their life wanting to be their friend hoping for a pot of gold at the end of the tunnel...and then when they get the generic, "You're a nice guy but I don't want anything more than friends" they end up flipping a lid and getting obsessive stalker-ish, or just becoming secluded loners who hate women from a distance.

PS: Your anecdotes are irrelevant and not evidence of any universal truths other than your own.

>>17422625

Thanks for letting me know. It will bug me for the rest of my life now :(

>>17422631
You claimed altruism doesn't exist. I have no way to prove or disprove that so I'm just leaving it be. Peace out.

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>>17420369
The answer you seek can be found in the subtext of your own words.

You're implying that women are inherently deserving of respect and adoration. They aren't. But plenty of thirsty betas like yourself think they are. You go out of your way to make them happy, you make yourself laugh at their stupid jokes, you convince yourself that she's something more than some vapid, entitled, dog chasing cars whose sole function is something for you to slide your cock into.

A woman's sense of self worth is inextricably tied to male attention and approval.

Desirable women are used to getting said attention all the time. They're used to never being told they're wrong, they're used to always having an orbiter on hand for emotional support, they're used to being told how wonderful they are by legions of betas hoping for the pity fuck.

Women don't want you, women don't fuck you because you don't give them a reason to, you give your love away freely, you're desperate and they can smell it.

The key to success with women is denying them that approval, because when you they go into panic mode, and will do whatever is needed to gain said approval. Demonstrate your value, and if you've a knack for such things and can pick up on what it is about herself that makes her insecure, pick it apart.

Women are to be used and discarded, get your head in the game.

>>17422570
>one chad
BTFO "nice guy". tell someone else about your insecurites

>>17422629
>I wasn't making an argument. I was making a statement.

Ah, good to hear. Allow me to make a statement: you are arguing semantics.

>Wahh why do all girls like assholes
I didn't say all girls. I was providing an anecdote about one girl I knew, who did end up dating an asshole, who I knew was an asshole. We had a few mutual friends and I hung around him a bit, and if you weren't in his tight knit group of friends he would fuck you over because it suited him. They broke up within a few months, with lots of drama between the groups of friends that resulted from it.

>PS: Your anecdotes are irrelevant and not evidence of any universal truths other than your own.

P.S. A single circumstance of anecdotal evidence doesn't prove anything, but a bunch of anecdotes can be analyzed to conform to a pattern, which is quite relevant to the circumstance described by OP.

P.P.S. You sound like a condescending bitch.

But whatever, I only posted that message because I read that post and it reminded me strongly of that incident, it's clear to me I want no part of this thread at large.

>>17422658
couldn't have said it better myself.

>>17422601
>We feel bad because the girls we like are being treated poorly by Chad.
You could fix this. You could fix it so easily. All you have to do is be straightforward and forthcoming about your feelings at the very beginning, like Chad does. You don't have to be an asshole to do that. You just have to be brave.

>>17422232
>Although what I don't understand is why a man usually needs to approach the woman rather than the woman approaching the man
In the past, it was because society demanded it. For a woman to approach was considered too "forward" and "unladylike".

Those days are more or less over. But the practice has continued for another reason: it weeds out men who are too afraid of women to approach them, which is considered a strong indicator that a guy isn't psychologically ready for a relationship. There are other forms of unpreparedness, of course -witness abusers- but insisting that the man make the first move weeds out entire categories of creepers at one go, with zero overhead from actual interaction. And unlike many such heuristics, it cannot be fooled: you can fake charm and you can fake self-care habits, but you can't fake courage. This makes it one of the most popular anti-creeper heuristics around.

What people like OP are asking for is a way to get a gf without facing their fears. But until they face their fears, having a gf will do them more harm than good: they are not ready.

>>17422132
>HE DOESN'T NEED SOME SELF RIGHTEOUS FAGGOT ON AN INDONESIAN 8 PIXEL BOARD'S RESPECT
Perhaps not, but it seems that you do. I just told you how to get it.

>HE WANTED GF
>YOUR "RESPECT" DOES NOT GIVE HIM LAID AND PROVED YOUR POINTS WRONG ABOUT HUMAN LIMITATIONS
It proved nothing of the sort. He's an extreme case, but there is still a lot that he has to learn. Even so, he keeps trying. That is what makes him respectable, just as giving up is what makes you contemptible.

>>17420591
Jesus christ reading this was painful. No wonder so many young people are messed up with this mindset. Is this what its like in the US? I heard the guys and girls had bad mentality of dating but this is sad and disgusting.

>>17420369
Some anim said it but you need to put yourself out there. Also girls attracted to the abusive guys like the one you said is pretty on the outside but a train wreck inside. Stay away, damaged is damaged.

Maybe you live in a crappy area but you got to put yourself out there and not fear rejection. There are good girls out there, just aim for educated girls with good families. The girls attracted to assholes are9l from bad familiesor poor upbringing. In laymans terms, they are good for guys looking for a pretty package to shag but not much. Be happy you arent attracting such poor company.

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Dear lord, you guys simply don't know how to read.

OP never said he was a nice guy, he never even talked about himself.

You fuckers just jump to that conclusion so you can have an excuse to call him a beta

>>17420413
The Durex Pontifex

>>17422618
>Is there such thing as a person who is honestly just a nice person, who wants to treat you like more than just a sex object?
Of course there are people like this. But they don't complain about not getting laid. They don't get all miffed when their friends don't fall for them. They don't envy Chad a damn thing, and they don't try to use their own missteps with woman as a justification for the bitches-and-whores argument. In short, truly decent men exist, but that's not what you are.

>Furthermore, a relationship is far more than just sex - it's a degree of emotional bond that runs deeper than just friendship.
You say that, but you don't feel it. You've told us that yourself.

>That being said, it always seemed to me that being friends with someone was a prerequisite for being in a relationship with them.
It's a requisite for maintaining a relationship. Not for starting one.

>So yeah, they might hope for more than just friendship when they first meet you.
Decent men are up-front about that.

>But they could shortly find out you were a bitch, and since they took the time to get to know you first they dodged a bullet.
That level of paranoia is a massive turn-off.

>But nope, it's all about wanting to get into a woman's pants and you're an asshole for wanting to see what kind of a person she is first.
This is literally what the first few dates are for.

>I had a woman friend (who I was interested in at the time) tell me she'd rather date an asshole than a nice guy since "you know what you're getting with them,"
Yes. This. No skulking around, no manipulation, no cloak-and-dagger bullshit. Just pure emotional honesty.

>>17423276
Are you ok with being treated like shit if he is honest?

This thread made me realize women don't care if you are an asshole
It doesn't even matter

>>17422601
>We feel bad because the girls we like are being treated poorly by Chad.

No they're not. You just see what you want to see. Beta faggots like you would treat girls much worse.

>>17423312
Stop going on /r9k/. It will only reinforce your sick, twisted worldview.

>>17423316
I don't go there and i don't call myself a nice guy
I don't think the world is dualistic either

Read the thread and you'll see they don't care if he is an asshole
It doesn't factor against him because he is confident

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>>17422054
>all these gay ass leddit posts.

gtfo

>>17423320
Read the thread and you will see you are wrong.

>>17423325
Explain why i am

The great majority said they rather have a confident asshole than a boring guy

>>17423320
4chan is not renowned as attracting the most adjusted kind of people. Maladjusted girls are attracted to maladjusted guys who just so happen to be confident. The problem most have here is they have, in both ways, a twisted sense of expectations of girls and men.

I am not sure if its just more noticeable in the states or its a class problem, but this view that chads or stacies take all the girls/guys is absurd. There will always be popular guys girls flock tovand vice versa. But that doesnr mean people should huff and puff over not getting it. Is it the attention, need to be desired ir just wanting to get laid? If the last you got issues, if the former you need to work on yourself.

>>17423329
It works both ways. A guy will only be with a girl if she is sexy. If she is boring he can still have her for sex. For women its confidence. If he is an asshole its fine cause he is attractive. Same thing, different order.

Not all girls feel this way and same with guys. A lot do but that speaks more of the culture than people as a whole.

>>17423312
>Are you ok with being treated like shit if he is honest?
No, I wouldn't be (subjunctive because as a straight man I'm not seeking men anyway). Someone who treats me like shit gets booted out the door. But someone who isn't honest with me isn't even going to get in the door in the first place.

Why? Simple: people who aren't being honest with you are already treating you like shit. What reason on God's green Earth is there to think they'll change once a relationship starts?

>This thread made me realize women don't care if you are an asshole
As you miss the point entirely, yet again. The message you should be taking from this thread is that you are an asshole.

>It doesn't even matter
It matters. Change.

>>17423331
From your experience does being an asshole matter?
I never met many assholes in life so i don't have experience with it

I know, like i said i don't believe in this dualistic view

>>17423336
That is what i'm saying, being an asshole doesn't matter

I don't care about this "nice guy" shit
I was just curious about it

>>17423340
I'm not the guy you were talking to before

>>17423347
The problem with asshole is, especially in todays culture, could stem from jealousy and insecurity than them being an asshole.

My experience? Yes and no. Short term its amazing but it falls apart later. However being too nice results in a relationshipnnot even starting. People think short term and its why "nice guy" had become derogatory for meb who pretend to be nice for a shag or are messed up but insist they are nice but are a mental mess.

Being an asshole does not work long term no. Being confident works both. You can be nice and confident. Its the obsession iver sex which is the issue, cause they are not being nice or confident, they are being fake to get sex.

Summary - no it does not. Being confident does. Asshole and confidence not same.

>>17420369

In a lot of cases, the beta tard who thinks he's the nice guy is actually the asshole, while the guy he thinks is the asshole is actually a nice guy.

Not getting laid doesn't automatically make you a "nice guy"

>>17423367
Thanks for summing up my post better than I could.

>>17423361
Changing subject a bit
So it works for pumping and dumping, then?
Like i said i don't have much experience with asshole. Isn't pump and dump what they want?

They often go hand in hand though
People who are confident in one thing often abuse this eg. bosses in important jobs

>>17423374
A lot yes. I mean girls who jump from guy to guy, assuming its not abusive and she is cunning, is the same thing.

I would not encourage the pump and dump mindset. Quality > quantity and it hurts, both genders, in developing proper relationships. Also a good way to get stds as they tend to be reckless.

>>17423381
But girls are the one approached so her personality doesn't matter much for sex
I wrote that poorly but i hope you get the point

It's so easy to settle down that i don't think it matters. There is not much to lose is what i mean

>>17423388
This applies to both men and women

(Erased this last part by mistake)

>>17423388
You would be surprised. No you worded it fine, just so much I can type.

Its not easy to settle down if you are used to lots and lots of hopping from one girl to the next. There is a distorted view you should spend your youth having sex, drugs and drink and you will be fine.

Sometimes yes it is. But a lot its not and not in obvious ways. Forming relationships, meaningful, is hard. You become used to ending relationships and not putting in effort after the shag. This applies again for both men and women.

So yes there is a lot to lose, just not immediately apparent.

>>17423396
>You would be surprised
I don't get it

From my experience, with people who do drugs and drink in their youth, when they stop it's like it never happened
Not talking about addicts

>>17423407
What happens behind closed doors. That said as I mentioned its not always the case. Many get by fine. Sometimes its pot luck but many of the bad effects arent obvious, its in their personal lives it takes its toll.

>>17420369
It's a pointless question

Stop giving a fuck about other people and their business. This is a personal issue that many people have. Whining about the way things are and wondering why is this the way it is instead of how can I benefit/better myself to get the results I want.

The bottom line is not only assholes get girls. Thats a fact. Now go live your life

I fucking hate women

>>17423423
I still don't get it fully
Are you talking about kinks? Her personality doesn't give many clues about kinks

Yeah maybe, i drifted away from them so i don't know how they feel inside

>>17423437
I think I replied to the wrong person. Was talking about the disadvantages of pump and dump mindset and effects of wild youth. If bait, good job.

>>17423442
I'm the same person

I don't get the "you'd be surprised" reply to me talking about the girl's personality not mattering if she wants sex

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>>17420369
>You cunts

mmkay

at least the "asshole" is upfront. what you see is what you get
he's not some pent up loser pretending to be nice just to get into a "cunt's" pants

also, women love drama, which the asshole types provide graciously. on the other had the fake-nice loser only knows how to appease

>>17422668

>You sound like a condescending bitch.

Nice try but I'm a guy.

>You are arguing semantics

Except I'm not, buddy. Your anecdote is still meaningless and no meaningful pattern can be drawn out from it. I've been in 2 relationships where I got cheated on, this however doesnt and shouldn't ever give me an excuse to say "why are all women such cheats? ;_;" because it comes from a place of self-pity and cowardice.

>>17423446
Oh that wasnt in reference to that. But that also depends. If she is in a club or pub sure, it doesnt matter unless she is neither good looking and is obnoxious. Some guys will see her as an easy lay. But good men and women tend to flock together, not promiscious ones.

>>17423493
Oh ok

Be seeing you

>>17423567
You too. Keep safe anon.

>You cunts
Kek, if it were assholes that we were attracted to, women would be swarming you, too, OP. Clearly, this "jackass" has something that you, a fellow jackass, don't have. Probably balls.

>>17423347
>I'm not the guy you were talking to before
Sounds like it all still applies, though.

>>17423222
>Dear lord, you guys simply don't know how to read.
I am forced to question your reading comprehension.

>OP never said he was a nice guy, he never even talked about himself.
Yes, actually, he did. He said it the moment he went for the "girls all go for assholes" comment. Only Nice Guys make that argument, because it requires a brand of delusion particular to them. No one else makes it. Ever.

>You fuckers just jump to that conclusion so you can have an excuse to call him a beta
Safest inference anyone has made on these boards in weeks.