>22 >ftm >shit dad, no close enough supportive male

Just bee urself

>>17073668
I'm a drunk moody reckless whore and being pumped full of testosterone is probably not going to help that

>>17073659

Why in the goddamn world would you ever want to be a man?

You know being a man is life on hard mode right?

Being a man is a near constant state of suffering with very little pleasure until you either harden into metal or get burned into ash. There is no in-between.

>>17073673
>I'm a drunk moody reckless whore
>describe me in 4-5 words
You sure youre trans and not just reacting to the lack of male figure + some other shit?

>>17073690
>my life is difficult because I'm a man ;_;

>>17073659
You can go ahead and fuck off. Fuck you for thinking that you can somehow become a man if only you get an instruction manual. Being a man, as I'm sure is the same for being a woman, is the result of a lifetime of learning and growing, of taking in signals sent by society and persons and synthesizing that data into behaviors, it's having grown from a child with the inate knowledge that you are supposed to fix things (actual things, situations, women's feelings, etc.), it's knowing that you, not your sister, could be sent off to war, and the list is endless. No amount of shitty 4chan advice is going to turn you into a man. No amount of hormones or surgery is going to turn you into a man. So fuck you.

>>17073690
I'm physically female, hourglass build with 75DD tits and blonde hair

You really think I just decided to fight the entire legal and health care system in order to be a faggot because it would make my life EASIER?

>>17073691
I don't know. I did get a doctor who specifies at this sort of shit to agree that I'm transgender so I'm going with that.

>>17073659

>women trying to understand what makes a man

Top kek. Your dad isn't shit, he just hates his mentally deformed daughter.

woah woah woah

is this a thing that actually ACTUALLY happens?

I thought it was just spooky /pol/ memes

>>17073708

>75DD tits

Might as well reveal them for the last time, before you mutilate yourself for good.

So tits or gtfo, you faggot.

>>17073705
Well, no amount of conversion therapy is going to make me a woman, either. I am an abomination regardless of how this turns out, and if you see it fit to refuse aid to someone whose existence you disagree with, I suppose that's just what a man has to do.

daily reminder that if you do transition your chances of getting a gf are abysmally low

>>17073710
He was a moody autistic alcoholic who died alone, in pain in a pool of his own shit two years after his ex wife kicked him out for good.

I might have failed as a human being but he was never too good at it, either.

>>17073720
I'm attracted to men and unlike trans women, trans men have no chasers. I know I'm not going to be loved again, but being loved when you hate yourself still feels worse.

You certainly don't blame your inability to be a decent human being on your parents.

Man rule #1. Take responsibility for yourself.

Problem is OP, being a she-he puts you out of the running for manliness. Being a man means helping others out, taking on responsibility, and shunning vain concerns about appearance to focus on what's really important.

By using all of your energy to grow a dick and make yourself look like a man you've automatically failed at being a man.

>>17073726

>I'm attracted to men
>wants to become a man

WHAT THE FUCK
>WHAT THE FUCK
WHAT THE FUCK
>WHAT THE FUCK
WHAT THE FUCK
>WHAT THE FUCK

>>17073722

So instead of trying to fix yourself you dig the hole deeper?

Men are shamed for their biological urges, and now you want to become one? My dad was always right, it's tough being a man.

>>17073732
Do you really think I can't waste my time running back and forth at clinics and contribute to society at the same time?

I donate blood and money and am currently the primary breadwinner and emotional support to my family.

I just don't know what normal men handle the mood swings caused by testosterone because I was never taught how.

>>17073733
It's possible to be transgender and gay at the same time. You don't get to choose that kind of shit.

it sounds like you want to transition for the wrong reasons.
You feel like your life is falling apart (because of identifiable reasons that could be worked out in therapy) and you think that making this transition will fill a void that you have in your heart.

Listen- making permanent, dangerous, unnatural changes to your body like this is not going to help your situation. Maybe it will distract you for a while, but you're not actually solving your problems and it's going to make solving your problems a lot harder later on.

Listen op- the most direct, helpful thing that you can do to improve your situation is to find a good therapist who you trust and to actually open up to them about all of your feelings and perceptions. Maybe you are a man trapped in a woman's body- but it seems like at this emotionally fragile point in your life, you have some baggage to unpack before starting this transition.

Please just remember that a sex/gender change is not something that can be a "phase" if you start taking hormones. It will permanently fuck you up and it will reduce your life expectancy.

If you are just looking for a rebellious way to expirament, do something that you can potentially move on from in the future.

If you need a little help understanding this concept- look at the person you were 5 years ago. Did you like the same things? Did your brain work the same way? Or have you matured/changed/grown in ways that make you cringe at your old self?

>>17073735
There is no fix. There is literally none, gender identity disorder is ingrained so deep in the brain you'd have to wipe out the entire organ to get rid of it.

In order to stop me from being trans, literally everything else that makes me who I am would have to be eradicated. A simple lobotomy would not be enough.

>>17073738
>biological urges
That's the thing I'm primarily worried about in the first place. I know how to suppress the female urges, but apparently those are paper smoke to machine guns when compared to shit testosterone does.

I know how to be an adult and a decent human being. I don't know how to handle a completely different control panel, and I have no reference of any kind on how to do it properly.

>>17073716
this is a sfw board you autist. also that is a huge band size
>>17073659
Do you need a binder? I got my first one from In a Bind/Big Brother binders a few years ago. As for saving up money for top surgery, since you're over 21, you can sell your eggs, but you need to do that before you start testosterone. I'm in roughly the same position as you, except that I'm 18 and can't sell my eggs

>>17073746

You're obviously lying . You don't have enough time or money to do all those things adequately.

Normal healthy adult men aren't prone to regular mood swings and I'm not sure how you are managing to be the emotional bedrock of your family if you're some mentally deranged roid-rager. Oh wait. You're full of shit. That explains it.

>>17073716
funfact anon, the number before the letters is the measurement around the chest, if OP has a 75 inch chest that means she's fat as FUCK

>>17073756

>There is no fix. There is literally none
>Being this much of a drama queen

It's not genetic, ergo you can unlearn it. I suppose it's easier to fuck your shit up even more though.

>>17073754
I had my first gender-related tantrum at three years old. I first sought a trans diagnosis at 14, and in the past eight years, it has not gone away. I had a denial phase, but as hard as I tried to shake it off, the dysphoria never went away.

A real, legitimate doctor who *specialises* in transgender matters has seen it fit to grant me the diagnosis.

5 years ago I was 19 years old, two years into my denial phase and so fucking tired and self-loathing that I ended up in a mental ward for self-destructive behaviour.

I either want to transition or kill myself. There are no other options, and I don't want to die.

>>17073708
Dont do it. Doctors dont actually know better than you. You're going to end up detransitioning or killing yourself.

>>17073757
I do wear a binder, and since I'm practically infertile anyway and my genes are shit, I don't plan on doing the egg thing.

>>17073761
I'm from one of those European free health care countries, which cover transitioning, and I haven't started testosterone yet.

I do genuinely worry whether I'll be capable of helping my mother look after my sister on roid rage. It's kind of why I am here right now.

>>17073771
It's 75 cm. According to this online converter I googled that's either 34C or 34D on US bra sizes.

>>17073772
If you really are smarter than the entire medical community and manage to develop a Transgender Cure, I'm sure lots of people would pay mad money for that shit.

Now tell me, why are you not a billionaire yet?

>>17073774
>There are no other options, and I don't want to die.
Well if those are your two choices then you should obviously transition.

But the reality of it is that those arnt your two choices. There are dozens of other choices.

look- all of these things (the self-loathing, the self destructive behavior, the denial) are related to early childhood trauma that you had, NOT to your trans identity. The gender dysphoria is simply another symptom of that childhood trauma. By going through a transition, you'd be treating a symptom instead of addressing the problem that is causing the problems.

Mental health and physical health are similar in that, simply because your treat the symptoms doesn't mean that you're fixing the problem.

If I get really sick, they can give me pain medicine and medicine that will help me sleep, but unless they do a surgery/give me medicine that specifically stops the sickness, I will eventually die from the sickness because I'm not actually healing.

Transitioning will not heal you. You might not feel the pain in the same way, but your heart will still be dying, and that sadness will manifest itself in another way. Even if you transition, you won't be happy.

Do you want to be happy OP? Do you want to live a normal happy life? What are your goals? Do you have any dreams?

You are capable of achieving the life you want. I know that at this point you might not think that you're capable of achieving a state where you're almost always feeling happy and confident, but you are capable of it. But the way to get there is not by transitioning. It's by getting real professional help to address the root of your problems. The past experiences you've had seem to be like things that you were forced into when things got so bad that you were on the verge of death. But this time is different. Therapy is very calm and helpful- you're in control and you can move at your pace. It isn't always easy, but it can change your life for the better.

>>17073774
1. These RL legit doctors don't actually know what they are doing
2. You just said you don't know for sure
3. Kids are dumb
4. You have mental issues that could cause your "dysphoria"
You are not legitimately trans

>>17073659
I'd probably get therapy to help with your gender dysphoria before you try anything else.

>>17073787
Pretty much this^
That's coming from someone with childhood trauma who detransitioned

>>17073787
If you have a cure for gender identity disorder, why are you not a billionaire yet?

If getting a sex change is wrong, I literally do not WANT to be right. If I got to choose between not being trans or getting to choose my sexual orientation, I'd rather be trans and date women than be a straight girl.

If someone comes on /adv/ and asks for the best way to fix his car, do you just opt to fight him to death about buying a bus card instead?

I am transitioning. This argument is over when I die or you give up. I did not come here to ask whether I should get a sex change. I came here to ask how to be a man.

Is this really, REALLY the thing you want to spend your afternoon doing? A literally pointless fight you can't win, won't win, and gain nothing from losing?

>>17073790
If I am wrong, I don't want to be right. This argument is over when I die or you give up.

>>17073792
If I am wrong, I don't want to be right. This argument is over when I die or you give up.

>>17073794
If I am wrong, I don't want to be right. This argument is over when I die or you give up.

>>17073801
^Real man
Not at all an angsty teenage girl

>>17073795
You came here asking how to be a man. Start by not throwing a pissy fit - man up instead

>>17073809
I tried to detransition once already. I tried really, really, really hard to be female.

It's not a life worth living. I'm not choosing hell over my own happiness, ever again.

There is no perfect answer or manual on how to be a man.

There was once.
Men were the ones taking care of business and being the heads of their respective families but nowadays their role not only has chancged but has deteriated into a sheer glob.

Noone knows what men do or how to be a man in the modern society.

You have the Values that are "manly" but god forbid you actually spoke of them highly or you'll be classified as ableist (not only by femnazis).

- Work on yourself mentally
- Dont try to pussy out when you're met with hindrances
- Dont be lazy and start doing things yourself. It'll leave you satisfied with yourself


So what if you're a drunk moody reckless whore? Atleast you know your weakness.

Now dont be a fucking pussy ass bitch and quit what hinders you being your best self.

>>17073813
That's exactly what I'm doing. I'm sticking to my guns because I know I am right and you are wrong, and refusing to yield to peer pressure.

I don't see any other way that I could have handled this. You went out of your way to be wrong so I have had no choice but to disagree with you.

>>17073822
Wow you seem upset. That's not how a man acts - also no, you're throwing an emotional fit.
Also fuck you, I'm never wrong

>>17073817
What hinders me is not knowing how to behave.

Dogs raise each other by nipping and growling at puppies for misbehaving until they learn how to behave. Dogs that don't know how to be around other dogs get fucking shredded when left alone around other, properly socialised dogs for acting out of line.

I'd like to quit what hinders me as soon as I figure out how to do that while keeping all my teeth.

>>17073829
I'm not upset in the slightest. Just tired and bored of saying the same thing over and over, which I am forced to do because you spergs don't understand english. It's much less my flaw than it's yours.

>>17073795
>If you have a cure for gender identity disorder
There are two ways to treat gender identity disorder- therapy, and transitioning. In sever cases where the individual is adamnet about transitioning or dying (like you) they allow a transition because it's better than the alternative (dying).
But it's literally an unnatural mutilation of one's body in a medically controlled way to prevent suicide. This method should only be used in cases where the individual has problems that could not be cured by therapy.

You have issues that can and should be cured by therapy, so I am suggesting that you give that a try before transitioning.

Look, it's your life and you're welcome to fuck it up as much as you'd like, but The solution here is clear. You sound like a self-destructive child the way you speak.
This is how your board sounds
> "my boyfriend left me and I want to do drugs to fill the void- which drugs should I take?? BTW i have a history of impulsive self destructive behavior and addiction"
>"well maybe taking drugs isn't the best way of coping with your sadness"
>"WOW. Did I even ASK? Is this really what you want to spend your time doing?? Do you do this on every board?"

You're obviously going to spiral if you transition. After viewing your thread and speaking with you, I strongly suggest you don't transition, because you will surely regret it as it isn't the SOURCE of your problem. People who are born with gender dysphoria treat the source of the problem by transitioning. Your gender dysphoria is related to trauma.

It's like someone who has anxiety because of a car crash vs someone who was born with anxiety. If you go to therapy to talk through the traumatic even, you can eventually completely eliminate the need to treat the anxiety.

You're in a position where you can permanently erase the desire to be a man, the depression, the anxiety, etc.
But for some reason you're adamnet about taking the HARDER road which leads to a WORSE future.

>>17073830
Goddamnit, you are retarded. Grow the fuck up.
Correct answer to how to behave is: how you want.

>>17073801
You literally have the maturity of a 13 year old.
Don't become trans, people like you who are increadibly unstable give us a bad rep.

>>17073822
Um, no, you did basically the Internet equivalent of plugging your ears and going "LALALA I CANT HEAR YOU!!!"

>>17073835
>forced
This is a 4chan thread, you idiot. You dont have to reply

>>17073838
How do you know my dysphoria is related to trauma?

I wanted to be a man for more than half my life, but I managed to be okay in my body.

What I can tell you, there is no right way to be a "man", there are all types of men, maybe what you're asking yourself is how you can be the best/convincing? Well, just be yourself, improve, learn, work out(as it helps your mentality too). There are weak, smart, careless and strong men etc etc...

I pretty much grew up with only brothers, so I myself act not very feminine sometimes, as in, I have no manners at times or sit in unflattering positions. The guys I know (pretty much from childhood) are more comfortable and laid back.

>>17073830
I've been with women my whole life.

No dad, My mother and my aunt living together and only having female friends.
I know what you're talking about.

I can relate better than you think.
Also: A normal dog meets around 4 to 6 other dogs during its lifetime.

You realize that with this thread we are nibbing and growling at you.

This is how to be a man: be hard working, laid back and accepting.

Your father is your best example.
Dont be like him.
Be the opposite

>>17073844
Then what the fuck do you think I should have done?

Spontaneously decided that these complete strangers on the internet that literally did not know of my existence an hour ago must know me in a deeper and more thorough level than the trained, educated real actual psychiatric professionals that have worked on my case for the past eight years, and completely turned all of my life plans upside-down to please them?

Would THAT have made me come off mentally stable?

>>17073801
>My uninformed feelings are more important than being informed and well.

>>17073848
>I don't know, I'll just trust my doctor
that's how

>>17073852
I still don't understand whether these people here are expecting me to fight them or not.

>>17073867
You asked for advice.

Men gave you advice

You dont want to accept the advice

Thats how it is: we're simple folks.

If thers a problem We try to find a solution but if somebody bitches about the solution and can't come up with something better we feel cheated.

>>17073848
Well,
>>17073659
Here you state that you never had a strong male figure
>>17073722
Here you mentioned some of the specifics of how/why your dad was a deadbeat
>>17073746
Here you talk about how you're apparently the most emotionally stable one in your family (which is really saying something because you sound like you have a lot of issues)
>>17073774
Here you talked about a ton of issues like self loathing and self-destruction that you had to be treated for


And lastly, the fact that you are so adamantly opposed to going to therapy is alarming. Why not give it a shot? Maybe you can solve your issues without permanently fucking up your physical body?

I am assuming that your gender dysphoria is related to trauma. Maybe I'm wrong. The only way to find out is by going to therapy and trying to dig as deep as you can.

You can always transition after if you do find out that it has been the source of your issues.
It's just always best to be 100% sure when making permanent decisions. You may think that you're 100% sure now, but that's only because you have not tried therapy.

>>17073855
Man, these "real, actual, educated" doctors must be shit.

>>17073862
>I am more informed about my life than strangers on the internet

>>17073864
I'm not sure I understand what you are trying to say.

Are you saying I am not legitimately trans because I agree with my doctor about the diagnosis she gave me?

>>17073855
You're a fucking idiot.
You claim to not be emotional but you talk like "WELL what do you EXPECT me to do when STRANGERS are telling me what I should THINK?"

If you actually didn't care then you wouldn't have even responded. You're pissed off because you know we're right so we're striking a chord.

But wtv.
Idk but normal men just ignore shit when we think people don't know what they're talking aboit

>>17073878
>I am more informed about my life
But you aren't, you are mentally ill.
But of course you know best, just like the 45% of trannies who kill themselves.

>>17073873
I have wasted eight years of my life trying to get a diagnosis.

I will literally rather die than be denied the chance to go through with it. Literally, in the dictionary sense of the word.

If I transition and kill myself because of it, I genuinely, legitimately, honestly want to rather do that than live as a woman.

Out of all the ways there is in the world, this is how I want to die.

>makes a thread about how to act like a man
>acts like the essence of a woman the entire time

Damn these amazing doctors are gonna have to operate on your brain if you wanna be a dude because this is some feminine bitching if I've ever seen it

>>17073878
No, I'm saying you said this>>17073708
>"I dont know."

>>17073891
Unfortunately that's not what will happen. You'll transition, realize that you've made a huge mistake, hate yourself more than ever, and THEN kill yourself.

But hey whatever.
Enjoy death

>>17073891
Angsty teen/10

>>17073809
Keked

>>17073896
Every step I've made towards transitioning has only made me feel better, more confident, and more like myself.

Why, exactly, do you think it'd suddenly flip around?

shit dad

shit daughter

>>17073907
Is this you being confident and feeling good about yourself? Really?

>>17073659

nobody is going to fall for this made up bullshit story of yours why don't you get out of the house and do something real

>>17073910
to be fair, she the most "stable" if her family
not even going to judge, mine's the same

>>17073914
I've legit cried real tears and cut myself over people being mean on the internet before. I don't do that sort of shit anymore, y'all haven't ruined my day.

>>17073855
>eight years

Woah woah woah...
8 fucking years? Do you think that ADDS to your credibility? Why did it take so fucking long?
Did it take you 8 years of trying out doctors to find one who was crazy enough to agree to sign you off for treatment? Or did it take 8 years of crazy irrational self-destructivr behavior to finally wear down one doctor enough to where he was just like "FUCK IT- I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS BITCH. I'LL SIGN THE PAPERS"

Hahaha like damn. 8 fucking years. It only took me 2.

>>17073939
Holy fuck. "Stable"

>>17073940
It took me months
I'm not even trans

>>17073940
I first tried to seek a diagnosis when I was 14. They wasted my time for three years before deciding I didn't want it bad enough.

So I tried to suppress it, and live as female for three years, trying really hard to make that shit work.

I only came back to my senses last spring, and most of this year's waits has been long lines at public health care. I'm getting into treatments as soon as they're finished doing that.

>>17073907
Because you're irrational and fickle, as can be seen by your past.

And because you only even like the idea of transitioning because you feel in control and you feel like it will solve your problems. When you inevitably realize that you've only makes things harder for yourself and you're as sad/more sad than you were before, you'll "flip around"

As an advice board, we are advising you to atleast try trauma related therapy before permanently mutilatinbyour body.
It's your call and you really shouldn't get so upset over our opinions
But something like this:
>>17073939
really reveals a lot more about you than you think.

We are strangers to you. We do not know you or your situation. But we can also see things objectivly. Looking at your track record, you should be willing to admit that you cannot always trust your own perceptions of things. In the past your mind has betrayed you.

It's ok if you don't trust our opinions because we "arnt involved"- so maybe try asking someone who's been there for you the whole time.
Have a conversation with a rational, reliable person that you've known for a while. Maybe try talking to your mom. Ask her what she thinks. Tell her what you think is the right choice. But also ask her about what we've advised. Tell her that "a friend of yours" thinks that the gender dysphoria and the other issues might be related to childhood trauma, and that by going to therapy you can figure out whether or not it is. Tell her that you friend suggested you atleast try it before transitioning, and see what her opinion is on the matter.

>>17073955
>They wasted my time for three years before deciding I didn't want it bad enough.

You mean they worked with you for three years and then decided that you weren't a fit candidate? So these "medical professionals" that you've been sticking up for actually agreed with US?? Wow!

Oh but you must have learned from that experience- by threatening suicide you could get them to agree to whatever. So you just did that. Nice.

The doctors don't think you should transition, but you want to so badly that you've given them and yourself an ultimatum- transition or die.
Just because they agreed to sign the papers so that you don't kill yourself doesn't mean they think that you should transition.

So fuck off with your "well I'm sure the medical doctors who have been working with me for 8 years and are TRAINED know best"

Yeah- they do know best, and they know that you SHOULD NOT TRANSITION

>>17073957
My mother has been there through the whole thing and fully supports me transitioning.

she was interviewed in my diagnosistic process before, at the first attempt. If there had been any doubt in her that it could have been caused by something else, she could have put an end to it, and she did not.

So either I have not had a trauma that could have caused this, or she wants me to have an emotional breakdown and kill myself in a whirlwind of eternal shame, torture and self-loathing, which I doubt.

>>17073969
It's more likely that she knows you are either going to kill yourself or transition.
Surprise suprise- she fully support you NOT committing suicide.

She'd fully supports you cutting off your arms if it mean you not killing yourself.
Does that mean it's the right thing to do? Of course not. If you were even slightly open to therapy, I'm sure she'd suggest you try that out first, just to be safe.

But of course you've literally brainwashed yourself into considering nothing but suicide/transitioning.

I just hope you realize that you're digging your own grave with your immature stubborn-ness. You have an actual chance to improve your life and be happy and you're throwing it away because you're too afraid to actually face to root of your fears.

It's a shame.
Anyways, good luck with your life. I'm not going to try to talk to you about this any more. If doctors spent 8 years unsuccessfully trying to convince you not to transition before giving up and approving the surgery, then I'm sure anything I have to say will be unsuccessful as well.

>>17073963
They were subtly pressuring me into giving up the attempt, and I have always been quick to pick up on pressure and yield. It was a necessary, instinctive behaviour in a shitty home but not useful in the medical field as a minor.

The records of that time were still regarded as sufficient proof of having a transgender identity as an adult.

>>17073969
Your first attempt was at 14 right? What kind of parent is she?
Oh right, youre the stable one. I guess you don't have to answer that.

>>17073976
If I am wrong, I don't want to be right. If this will kill me, this is how I want to die.

>>17073977
They didn't think that you should transition and you yourself weren't that sure either so you listened to their professional medical opinion.
Shit didn't get better three years later and you needed someone to blame so you blame the doctors as if they made the wrong choice before attempting again as a final attempt before suicide.

Literally do whatever the fuck you want but don't try to delude yourself into thinking that those doctors really supported your decision after taking a look at you

>>17073981
Mature behaviour here
IMO you should be in mental ward>>17073981

>>17073980
I don't know where you people misinterpreted me being *the* stable one of the family. My mother is the most sane, even, rational and stable people I've ever known, but she still needs my help and support in putting up with my sister, who picked up the mantle of being the dramaqueen cunt when dad left/died. Marrying him and tolerating him in her childrens' lives has been the worst and only mistake mom did in raising us. Other than that, she did her best.

>>17073981
>whenever someone points out something that I know is right about me, I clam up and recite a phrase to myself to make me feel better instead.
Very mature. You sound like someone who's really capable of making rational decisions in situations like this.

>>17073987
>who picked up the mantle of being the dramaqueen cunt

Oh I get it.
Your sister claimed "dramaqueen cunt" so you have to opt for "dramaking dick"

Sorry, you shoulda been quicker in claiming that title so you wouldn't have had to go through all this gender transition bullshit.

>>17073988
I have been in enough internet arguments to know which ones do not lead anywhere, so I might as well shut them down.

Seriously, though. I do not want to be a woman and the concept of being male makes me happy. I don't understand how this is wrong.

>>17073991
>Seriously, though. I do not want to be a woman and the concept of being male makes me happy. I don't understand how this is wrong.
Why does it make you happy?
Can you explain why?
You should be able to if you're going to transition

>>17073996
Because being female, presenting myself as female and everything to do with associating feminine things with myself feels bad, wrong, uncomfortable and unnatural, and being male, presenting myself as male and everything to do with male things feels good, right, comfortable and natural. I don't understand what more do you want.

If you're transgender, shouldnt you already know how to be a man? I mean since you identify as one :-^)

>>17074010
Are you sure you're not just trying to disassociate with your identity?
Like you hate yourself and would rather be someone else and taking on a male persona makes you feel different enough from yourself to make you feel like you'd be happy?

Here's a hint- people who actually have gender dysphoria hate their genitals. When asked that question they always say "It feels wrong to have female sex organs".

If you don't like feminine shit then that's fine. I hate a bunch of that stuff and I like things that are traditionally "masculine". But I'm still a chick because I like my junk the way it is. Gender is a social construct. You can wear your hair the way you want and try to grow a beard or whatever and still be a female.

If you specifically want to disassociate from being a "female" but you don't specifically hate your junk, then it's more likely that you want to disassociate from your identity

>>17074013
I was still raised and socialised as female. You can't be fluent in a language nobody ever taught you.

>>17074016
hkw can you be so sure that you want to be something if you don't even know what that something is?

You just don't want to be yourself because you hate who you are.

Get some damn therapy.

>>17074015
I do hate my breasts. Having them has felt wrong for as long as I've had them.

I'm also incapable of feeling sexual pleasure in any way.

Rest in peace, OP.

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I always found FtM stories a bit interesting. There was a finnish bugger some time ago who was talking about how they had constant anger issues that were made significantly worse due to the influx of testosterone.

http://archive.4plebs.org/adv/thread/16022911/#16022911

>>17073708
>I'm physically female, hourglass build with 75DD tits and blonde hair
What a shame

>>17073659
>Wants to be a man
>has no idea what its like to be a man and doesn't know how to act like one

Fucking why

>>17073690

You sound like a woman.

>>17073733
>gay people don't exist

>>17074065
Holy fuck, this.

>>>/lgbt/

>>17073659

This ain't the site to learn about masculine things. You're better off emulating a fictional figure you like and seeing where that fits in with real life.

>>17074105
This has got to be most retarded post today.

>>17073795
>comes to the advice board
>gets advice
>is now mad because we won't tell you what you want to hear

OP, I'm sorry you had to deal with all of this.

It's clear you know what you want to be physically. You do need to find a role model. Preferably someone in real life, as it works best that way, but if there really is no one suitable around (and you can't find or move to where there are suitable people), going fictional with your role models can work as a stop gap.

>>17073659
>How does one figure out how to be a decent man when you've never had an example of a decent man in your life

first thing, you gotta have a penis. you have one, right? you can't man without a penis. and i'm not talking one of those corndog things.

>>17073659
I think you want to be a man precisely because you never had an important male figure in your life. So you decided to become that figure. If you have no idea how to be a man, why do you want to become one?

>>17073708
Some hot babe with a mental illness want to destroy herself. Pity.

>>17073659

When I was a younger man on the testosterone rollercoaster I channeled the energy into music and combat sports (Wrestling and boxing) I sang in a punk band and I pretty much just wallowed in utter self destruction. I wouldn't suggest it, but it's molded me into a strong self sufficient family man who has somehow turned out to be a good husband and father. I wish you good luck.

>>17073708
Then why are you doing it?

Are you still around OP?

Hey OP, if you're still here... take it from a MTF:

Just be yourself! There's no right way to be a man/woman. There are feminine guys, masculine guys, guys who like to crossdress (despite not being trannies), guys who drive Priuses, guys who drive gigantic trucks... they're all perfectly valid, and what you want to do is entirely up to your own interests. What have YOU always wanted to do?

Honestly, once dysphoria is gone (thanks to hormones), you'll feel a lot more comfortable. Just pursue your interests and enjoy life. >>17073673 you seem to think that T will make you moodier and more reckless... it won't. Most FTM I've known chilled out a lot after testosterone. You being a drunk, moody, reckless whore is from the estrogen and it fucking up your brain when it's expecting testosterone.

>>17074208
How would one go about finding someone suitable? Men in general are split pretty evenly into those who want to fuck me and those who want nothing to do with me.

>>17074365
Do you turn into a girl if someone chops yours off?

>>17074367
It's the other way around. If my need to be a man wasn't caused by a hormonal inbalance in the brain, why would I ever want to be one?

Why would I want to become a stupid violent destructive force that does nothing but ruin everything around him?

>>17075054
What WOULD you suggest, instead?

>>17075100
Because there is no other way to make the dysphoria stop.

>>17075108
Yes. I was done with this shit for a while so I took a nap.

>>17075130
So testosterone doesn't automatically make someone more aggressive and prone to violence?

>>17075262
>So testosterone doesn't automatically make someone more aggressive and prone to violence?

No. Extremely excessive testosterone might, but not normal/therapeutic levels. I think your hormones being out of whack (as is the case for trans people) tends to cause craziness, but it's not specifically testosterone or estrogen that does it.

Like I said... most FTM I know chill out A LOT after going on T. I've met a couple who turned into total assholes who spent all day in the gym and acted like douchebag dudebros, but there's so many normal guys out there like that I can't blame it on the testosterone...

I was really afraid before going on estrogen that I'd have no idea how to be a woman -- I never really had any women to look to in my life (my family except my sister is like 90% men) -- but things change a lot after starting hormones. It's amazing how natural it feels. All of that dysphoria/anxiety melts away over time.

You'll be fine.

>>17075262
I agree with >>17075130 there's no right way to be a man. Just be a decent person in general.
But this might a good place for you to check out: https://www.reddit.com/r/everymanshouldknow
I know it's reddit but it has stuff like how to shave a beard properly for if you grow one and info on hobbies that a dad would traditionally teach their son about. If you've never used reddit before click 'top' for the best results or the search bar at the right for something specific.

Good luck with your transistion

>>17075262
>Because there is no other way to make the dysphoria stop.
Trauma therapy

>>17075262
>do you turn into a girl if someone chops your dick off

Do you turn into a man if you sew a dick on?

4chan was probably the worst place for you to come for advice on this, you just end up with retards like these >>17075321 >>17075322

>>17075333
The bad thing about not having any proper social contacts is that my only sources on how to be a man are either from women who hate men or men who hate me.

>>17075333
Implying op isn't the most retarded person in this thread by far

>>17075054
>>17075262
I don't know how anyone else deals with it. It's just pure energy for me, it's all about how you deal with it, I turned it inward and it was self destructive, I imagine a smarter person could channel it into something more meaningful. Be smarter! But I'm sure you can find a judo class at your local Y or a local MMA pop up gym to channel it.

>>17073659
>How does one figure out how to be a decent man when you've never had an example of a decent man in your life

Dunno, but tell me if you figure it out, I was born a man and still haven't.

>>17075368

Being a decent man is the same as being a decent person, you do more for others than you do for yourself. It's really pretty simple you fucking dolt.

>>17075361
>local Y or a local MMA pop up gym
I don't know what that means so I guess it's an american thing.

So lifting weights at a gym?

>>17075384

Pardon, the Y is short for the YMCA they are community centers that are all over the USA and MMA gyms are places where you go to learn mixed martial arts, similar to a dojo.

>>17075337
>women who hate men
Who?

>>17075400
Tumblr

>>17075415
There are more sites than just 4chan and tumblr you tit

>>17075421
They pick a side.

>>17075333
I'm sorry our opinions don't match your echo chamber. You should try tumblr.

Tried to make it through this wall of shitposting....failed and skipped half. My two cents, as a man, is one, the bar is not high. Men are people, and most people suck. Two, as a guy from a gay resort town, ive seen alot of ppl who made that transition overcompensate....alwaus trying to talk big and tough all the time....dont do that. Its being fake, and regular guys arent like that. I mean, everythings a competition, as long as another man is around, sure. But unless hes an asshole, its friendly competition. If ur a man to begin with, you wont have to work to be you. Let shit come naturally. Also, i know of several ftms whom have found happy LTRs. I personally have a secret crush on a ftm. Which is weird to me since ive always been str8 but the point is love is out there dont stress too hard :)