Really though why do so many young men have trouble getting gfs

Advances in technology reducing the need for social interaction is probably the reason, or at least plays a part in it.

>>16758240
Possibly over population. The world doesn't seem to need anymore people, job market is reflecting that.

>>16758293
This.

>>16758293
Based on current metrics, max population will seem to peak and stay at 10 billion.

>>16758240
>And why is it only young men?
Do you really need to ask this question when western tradition dictates that the man approaches the woman while the woman sits there looking pretty.

>>16758339
Also you must remember that you can't show any kind of insecurity, lack of experience, any degree of cynicism or you'll be discarded immediately

>>16758339

Women are "liberated" and could ask out a guy.

But then that would require them to do work; easier to swipe right on tinder.

>>16758370
This. My best girl bro is pretty plain Jane and is a single mom. She got over three hundred matches on tinder within one day. I got 6 and two of them were where bots. Fucking hate this online dating bullshit.

>>16758370
I think the female "liberation" has already happened.

Attractive women don't have to do anything and get selected.

Same with attractive men, although this begins way younger in life and requires a reinforcement of self-esteem over decades.

Basically being good looking means you win.

>>16758407

>women don't have to do anything and get selected

FTFY

>>16758240

Variety of factors:
1 Women in workforce / don't need men for ca$h
2 Women being told they can wait forever for the right man, or have a baby from a sperm bank. Women's lib looking down on relationships as opposed to women advancing careers.
3 Men and women having horribly poisoned ideas of each other from the Internet
4 Social media which makes looking at other men/women and leaving their current gf really easy
5 Society easing looking down on single morons
6 Divorce which makes men uneasy about long-term relationships
7 Ease for older men to get younger women (online dating), leaving less younger women for younger dudes

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>>16758240

>Really though why do so many young men have trouble getting gfs and wives?
>young men have trouble getting gfs and wives?
>getting gfs and wives?
>getting

Because women aren't sacks of potatoes at the grocery store. You don't "get" women.

Relationships aren't things you acquire. They're supposed to be an important part of your life. They're supposed to be mutual growing experiences for both parties.

They're not supposed to be a goal you check off of a list. The "quality" of your girlfriend is not supposed to be a social grading. Hot women aren't supposed to be accessories, but unfortunately that is what we're taught.

An impossible standard is set so the people that can't achieve them are treated like lepers. Its sad, but it is what it is.

>Really though why do so many young men have trouble getting gfs and wives?

Young men do not have wisdom, resources or experience and as such are low-status in the eyes of women. Women are hypergamous and in terms of broad social dynamics prefer to share high-status men rather than couple up with undesirables.

This has only really become visible in the last ~50 years. For most of human history, young men died at a much higher rate as the result of war, local conflict, and dangerous jobs like hunting, fishing, etc - all of which do not kill nearly the same percentage of young men. As a result, there is an overabundance of the demographic that would have otherwise died, and it exposes the nature of our social sexual dynamics.

>And why is it only young men? We never see articles like this about women.

Women have inherent sexual value because their bodies are set up to bear the physical expense of bearing children. Thus even the lowest-status female has SOME value, making her a target for all the hungry status-less males out there.

Really the solution is male teenage death matches a la Hunger games, but merely being foreveralone is probably preferable to that.

Men need far more social skills than women in order to make connections. Young men these days are, in ever increasing numbers, devoid of those skills. Things like empathy, subtext, relatable experience, etc. I'm saying saying it's terrible to lack those things. (Okay, maybe it's pretty bad to have shit empathy.) Our social values are mostly arbitrary. But it sucks from a practical standpoint.

I'm sure with time social mores will change to accommodate new personalities and attitudes. But right now we've got guys who are really bad at playing within an older set of rules. It doesn't go so well during the transitional period.

>>16758240
>why do so many young men have trouble getting gfs and wives
they are cucks losing them to superior bbc

>>16758458

That's not it.

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>>16758477
dude, look at sweden.

>>16758457
>relatable experience,
Apart from the typical "i was so wasted that...." stories what else do you need?

>>16758490
Like never having been around enough girls to understand how and why they feel insecure about their looks. I'm not saying it's reasonable or healthy that it's so common but it is common. If you don't grow up being close to girls who are going through it, you don't know how to navigate it the right way to come out on top. Guys just end up feeling awkward, giving shitty reassurances or coming off as cold and dismissive. It takes practice to know the right things to say to offer what she's looking for emotionally.

That's a very specific example but there are broader things too. There's a shit ton of class inequality out there so a guy who grew up in one class level might not know how to interact with girls who came from a different background. Just in general it's a big boon to interacting with a person if you've been exposed to their circumstances enough that you can talk to them in familiar terms. When a middle class guy's only meaningful female connection has been to his middle class sister, he's going to sound like a dolt talking to girls who came from working class families and are putting themselves through school. That kind of thing.

desu I think it's to do with guys getting shat on both for sticking to traditional roles and for breaking them.

>>16758240

marriage is now based solely on romance and not on partnership. this is an unprecedented problem. dont get me wrong, romance factored in, but back in the day (most any day up until recently)

people used to marry, and when they did they would never divorce. at some point it stopped being any romance at all. you were basically fucking your sister. a wife (or husband) was family, a permanenti nstallation in your life you cant get rid of no matter how much you hate them.

so you'd just 'deal with it' if anything negative happened.

on top of that its a modern concept that husbands and wives need to spend so much time together. back in the day they'd spend time in the same room but for the most part did their own thing. now women (and often times men) are demanding about how much time their partner spends with them, limiting their ability to enjoy private and personal activities. but now that we date for long before we are married people tend to break up before they can get to marriage because they cant spend all their time enjoyably together.

this problem started really in the early 1900s and slowly progressed to what we have today

>>16758240
> This is a completely unprecedented problem in human history

No, it's just the whiners have a platform to shout on i.e. forums such as this.

You know what losers had to do before the internet was around? They had to either rot away as hermits or force themselves to go outside to be proper human beings.

>>16758524

Retard. Google marriage rates and get back with me.

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>>16758511
Here's the thing. Even ugly women have a pretty good chance of getting laid whenever they want to, so they like to pretend they have a higher worth than they really do.

So, since even uggo women are getting poked by bottomscrapers they will obviously believe they are more interesting than they are.

Hence they like to cop an attitude. And some guys just prefer going to xhamster than having to deal with it.

I was on one dating site for fat people (and yeah I will apply). Some of the women there wrote specificly that they didn't want to meet fat men. Which they can, since there are some dudes there who just put in feelers for some easy pussy.

I basically got viciously attacked for writing the same on my profile, that I didnt wanna meet fat women but only slim ones. Which was a retarded move for me, since there werent any slim women on the site :D

But yes, supply and demand. Women are suppliers, and tend to not supply as much. Which is why they are always furious at prostitution.

>>16758502
>There's a shit ton of class inequality out there so a guy who grew up in one class level might not know how to interact with girls who came from a different background. Just in general it's a big boon to interacting with a person if you've been exposed to their circumstances enough that you can talk to them in familiar terms. When a middle class guy's only meaningful female connection has been to his middle class sister, he's going to sound like a dolt talking to girls who came from working class families and are putting themselves through school. That kind of thing.
This is pretty spot on with human interaction in general. It's hard to relate to privileged people when you grew up working for everything. One of my female co-workers told me the other day that she doesn't really know what to buy with her money, so she just buys designer bags and shoes (her parents pay all her bills).

>>16758545
Nor is it really a new problem. As long as there has been class, there has been a disconnect between them. It's not so bad when there isn't a huge disparity for the majority of people, like when the lifestyles of the working and middle classes aren't THAT dissimilar. I think that's becoming less applicable recently. There's a pretty big gulf between people whose parents worked office jobs and who parents used food stamps.

Though even that's not too terrible because you don't have to outright live like someone in order to relate to them. You simply need to be around it long enough to understand it. Friends taste of each other's lifestyles growing up, you log real world hours with these people and learn their thoughts and feelings. That applies not only to class but to all of their life experiences. That I think is totally fucked. That's what I think goes on to create people who can't connect with others. And it's much the women as it is the men, like with that coworker and her designer shoes. In a world where both genders pitched in equally to spark romance, women would be fucked by their inability to relate too. But it's not balanced like that and guys get hit disproportionately. Not enough hours logged around different girls growing up.

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>>16758240
I'm young and attractive and mildly successful and all women want to do is fuck and leave me, literally a few minutes ago a girl I was so close to calling my girlfriend after a month of gong out, fucking, and hanging with each others friend, she texted me that she's getting back with her boyfriend and that she's sorry for leading me on.

I feel like I've been punched in the nose and I don't even know how to respond. I don't know what I'm going to tell my friends, or how I'm ever going to trust a person again. Women wonder where misogyny comes from and yet my story is one of dozens among young men. I'm about ready to tap out on dating for a while and just work and be angry for the next two years

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>>16758594
Yeah, I have the same problem. Whenever I go to bars ppl wanna buy me drinks. And I win too much at the casinos, brah.

Why did God make me too sexy?

Scientifically speaking males in the human race can have a virtually infinite amount of children at no real cost to them.
Women, however, can only have so many, and millenia ago this was even more true since life expectencies were low, child mortality rates were high, and many women died during childbirth.

Some evolutionary biologists and anthropologists have said that this causes the male sex to be more competitive - needing to find access to a limited resource, whereas the female sex is more picky - needing to ensure that her mate has desirable genes to pass on to the few children that she births before she dies (not to mention that the majority of her children will die before maturing).

tl;dr evolution

>3 Men and women having horribly poisoned ideas of each other from the Internet
this is a huge part for me and my friends. seeing how girls present themselves on instagram and tumblr or the things they post on facebook. none of my friends want girlfriends, let alone wives. half of us don't even bother with women because we think they're such a waste of time and resources. i mean even if you did manage to get a good looking female you have to entertain endlessly her or she'll bounce.

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>>16758607
Fuck off, Christ women are so fucking evil, I'm glad men are just dating stupid young bimbos and leaving the rest of you to your yoga classes and kale cooking seminars.

You literally become more expendable every day you age while its the opposite for men, keep pretending like you're getting the better deal though

>>16758298

Simplest answer you'll get OP

1. Toxic Masculinity - we educate men to want to lift heavy things and not have emotions. You can't be in sustainable relationships if you're not socialised to engage with people properly.

>real men don't cry
>men are do'ers and women are talkers

2. Emotional Labour - all that shit that we expect women to do and not men. All that unpaid and unrecognized housework, maintaining social relationships and networks. So of course men don't know how to maintain relationships if we haven't needed to learn it due to our reliance on women to do it for us.

>reason why most women have still address books in the digital age and most men don't.
>biggest cause of social isolation as people who have been "raised" as men get older.

>so call your friends more often and make an effort to talk to people you know, otherwise it's not just partners you'll be missing when you get older.

Women want men with social status.

Women have entered the work force and aren't attracted to men with less status in the workplace than them. So this limits the pool of men they'll fuck or date. They're also bombarded with media 24/7 telling them that what will make them happy is to spend their twenties building a career and sleeping around.

Men want women who are physically attractive, young, and feminine.

Men, on one hand, see a bunch of women behaving in unfeminine ways to get ahead in the workplace who have also slept with a lot of other men; and on the other hand see young porn stars on their computer willing to engage in all manner of submissive sex acts.

So what you wind up with is a bunch of working women all casually fucking a small number of high status men who have no need to settle down with them, and a whole bunch of low status men fapping to porn (which doesn't exactly help them to improve their social status.) Very few happy long-term relationships are able to form with society functioning in this manner.

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>>16758534

>Even ugly women have a pretty good chance of getting laid whenever they want to

I love this male mentality that assumes that being able to get laid whenever you want to is a quality that somehow makes a woman superior.

Like, "hey that chick is pretty ugly but she's doing alright cause she can get fucked whenever she wants".

Not how the world works kid.

>So, since even uggo women are getting poked by bottomscrapers they will obviously believe they are more interesting than they are.

Most inaccurate statement of the thread award goes to.....

>But yes, supply and demand. Women are suppliers, and tend to not supply as much. Which is why they are always furious at prostitution.

What fucking backwards group of neckbeards are you getting this information from???

>>16758644
I think your second point is fairly inaccurate - women who do the stay at home thing quickly get socially isolated from their ex-colleagues.

Also they were married to men who were paid in the expectation of being married. The amount of income to the household was enough for two and kids. So in a roundabout way they were paid for their housework. 'Domestic Goddesses' in general were widely recognised if not as respected as much as some top tiered prefesssions.

Not that housewives were ever as common as the media makes out.

>>16758664
All your posting seems to just imply that you have never though about how hard dating is and can be for some men in contemporary society. Especially if you didn't grow up in a very socialized environment, and even if you did, if there's something unappealing about you like weight or skin issues, multiply that by a thousand.

And I know, it's the same for women blah blah blah etc. But even the most uggo women are more likely to find love then men. It's not downplaying the fact that some women also have it hard out there and deal with loneliness, but pound for pound, men are most lonesome gender, and for some people, it can be hard to see.

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>>16758644
I like this answer, and you seem like a smart person.

I'm dealing with a lot right now an this really helped me understand it better and work to make my life better, thank you

>>16758664
>I love this male mentality that assumes that being able to get laid whenever you want to is a quality that somehow makes a woman superior.
I didn't say that. I just stated why most women in a club setting will act like they are worth more than they are. The next morning when they guy chews off his arm to get away from the monster she will probably feel like the shit she is.

My point is really just that uggers tend to aim at getting as goodlooking chaps as the good looking girls are getting. And succeed, but in the end they arent achieving much because they guys they decide to be friendly with don't want to be seen in public with them.

All in all, hiding the salami is nice even though the female is uggers. But in the end, normal guys who go porking also feel dirty and take a long shower in the morning.

>Most inaccurate statement of the thread award goes to.....

What is inaccurate about it?

>What fucking backwards group of neckbeards are you getting this information from???

real life.

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>>16758694

>men are most lonesome gender, and for some people, it can be hard to see.

I think the opposite is going on here.

I think you're extrapolating your insecurities and difficulty dating onto an entire population.

Your personal experience is NOT the norm, I can promise you.

>But even the most uggo women are more likely to find love then men.

Again, completely inaccurate. I think age also might be a factor, because the older you get the more looks become less and less an aspect of "finding love" as you say.

I think perhaps you're at an age where women are particularly frustrating and perplexing to you so you just assume the rest of men are going through the same thing you are to make yourself feel better but in reality you just don't know how to interact with women.

I think you're confused but I also think that'll get better with time.

i'd blame a lack of relationship mentoring/education. guys don't get taught how to talk to women and women don't get taught how to keep a conversation moving.

it's a mutual fault

>>16758694
Dubious. The vast majority of people are straight monogamous. Ergo men and women would find love at a similar rate.

The situation that we have appears to me to be lots of people not connecting at all with the general encouragement of society to abandon all hope of a positive relationship in favour of careers.

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>>16758704

>most women in a club setting will act like they are worth more than they are

has it occurred to you that perhaps your own inadequacies have caused you to misinterpret self-confidence for "worth"? that maybe your bitterness and anger at the fact that top shelf pussy isn't landing in your pimple covered lap possibly causes you to resent any girl you view as "ugly" having confidence or being ok with the way she looks?

I mean, honestly, really think about it. Why are you so offended by women you see as "ugly" not behaving as worthless as you think they should?

You have some serious issues with the way you view women. I hope someday you log off long enough to figure it out.

>real life.

nope.

>What is inaccurate about it?

the entire thing. your mindset is entirely toxic and its fucking you over and you don't even realize it.

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>>16758240

i dunno lol

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>>16758724
>has it occurred to you that perhaps your own inadequacies have caused you to misinterpret self-confidence for "worth"? that maybe your bitterness and anger at the fact that top shelf pussy isn't landing in your pimple covered lap possibly causes you to resent any girl you view as "ugly" having confidence or being ok with the way she looks?
Nah, I have no problem with someone not wanting to get humped by me. And in fact, the top shelf pussy can be pretty cool about blowing me off. It's the demeanor as if talking to them, in a fucking club where they go to meet people, is somehow hurting them that irks me.

If I went around with the "Im so much better than thou"-attitude some uggers women have I'd be laughed at or punched out.

Whether it's overcompensating for insecurities or just retardation. It's called writing cheques their body can't cash.

>nope.
yup

>the entire thing. your mindset is entirely toxic and its fucking you over and you don't even realize it.

No explanation. No arguments. In the trash it goes :D

>>16758724
>Why are you so offended by women you see as "ugly" not behaving as worthless as you think they should?

not him, and that statement contains some inaccurate assumptions, but I think male anger at this is sort of behavior is due to the fact that this is part of the reason that OP is asking the question, i.e. this is why so many betas have trouble getting GFs/wives - the lower desirability women demand more than they should by all rights match up with.

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>>16758444
This is the most startlingly accurate post I've ever read in the 10 years I've been browsing this website on a daily basis.

It's true. All of it.

May the trips be with you.

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>>16758811
nailed it

>>16758811
To be fair all negotiations start with both sides asking too much.

>>16758841
If you wanna do a negotiation-analogy, the uggers behaviors would be to abruptly end any contact with parties they could possibly make a long term deal with. And then go for the higher tier party with a logo they like. Just so they can get fucked in the ass by them, and lie in their bed by the phone hoping this negotiatior will call for more because it was "so totally hot".

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>>16758773

>Nah, I have no problem with someone not wanting to get humped by me

Not what I asked.

>No explanation. No arguments. In the trash it goes :D

Yeah, dismissing logic seems to be something you are very comfortable with. Hope that goes well for you.

I mean, I don't even know how to explain it, you're just horrifically wrong.

You extrapolate all of your own personal experiences and feelings of inadequacy, paint the whole world with it and call it the truth and its just the opposite of true.

Like you're genuinely upset that women you view as ugly have confidence and/or treat you poorly, and if they have any sort of perceived attitude you view it as like an insult because in your mind they aren't attractive enough to behave that way?

Have you ever considered the possibility that their poor demeanor when talking to you could possibly be correlated to the fact that you're just an asshole who doesn't think "ugly" women are allowed to be proud and confident?

I think THAT is the really telling attitude in today's society. You think that "ugly" women are just supposed to roll over and take your bullshit because you don't think they're attractive enough to have any worth. Its sad you actually think that.

That's the toxic mindset I'm talking about. I'm not really interested in what other profound way you'll find to dismiss everything I've said so I just encourage you to sit with that for awhile and maybe think about the way you view women and how it has totally and utterly fucked your chances of ending up with a woman that has more substance than a piece of wet toast.

> the lower desirability women demand more than they should

And this is exactly my question, what makes all of these women less desirable and who are you to set the bar for that? In what country are we talking about? In what context?

And above all, what makes you so special that you are the arbiter of what a woman has a right to demand out of her relationship and what she doesn't?

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>>16758866

>Just so they can get fucked in the ass by them, and lie in their bed by the phone hoping this negotiatior will call for more because it was "so totally hot".

Alright, I'm out. You're completely delusional and at this point I have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.

>>16758841
I don't think these are "starting points" for a negotiation - this sort of behavior is what's used to permanently end negotiations.

To be fair, this is 100% rational strategy by women. Men make the mistake of blaming the other players in the system when it's the rules of the game that cause the behavior.

>>16758874
>what makes these women less desireable?

each individual person makes their own determinations as to each potential sexual partner that they interact with. There will inevitably be some women that are more desirable and some that are less as determined by these repeated interactions.

You're pretty toxic yourself, by the way.

>>16758826
thanks

>>16758888
oh snap I just got quads too

>praise kek

Bro here. Explain to me how this is a man only problem when the population is 51% women and an alone man means an alone girl. I know what the prob is but I want to see how you guys pass the blame.

>>16758874
>Not what I asked.
Actually, it was part of what you asked. You wanted to imply that me noticing uggers tending to wanna shop upwards was bitterness due to being shot down by them. Hence I needed to convey that being shot down in itself isn't an issue for me.

>I mean, I don't even know how to explain it
And you don't! Good job, retard. You identified you can't explain your retarded statements. And yet you have the audacity to talk about my inadequacy.

>what makes all of these women less desirable and who are you to set the bar for that?

Pretty much the same standards they themself look for:

- Looks
- Style (Where men look more for something appealing, women look for money and power)
- Demeanor
- Intelligence

> In what country are we talking about?
Durrrrrr... clearly in buttfuckistan with arranged marriages. Durrrrrr. Christ, you're an idiot.

>what makes you so special that you are the arbiter of what a woman has a right to demand out of her relationship and what she doesn't?

I'm just adding my knowledge about the subject as I have eyes in my skull. However, nobody made me an arbiter, as I have no other power than speaking my mind about the subject. It's not like I can force people to stop acting like idiots, that's their prerogative.

>>16758899
>an alone man means an alone girl

that's not the case though

the simple example is 2 guys 2 girls, one man dates both and one man is left alone, which is more or less what happens.

>>16758879
>Alright, I'm out. You're completely delusional and at this point I have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.
And no arguments or explanations.

Clearly you are this idiot, yes? >>16758874

>>16758240
>Really though why do so many young men have trouble getting gfs and wives?
Because young men in this day and age have trouble getting their lives together at the ages they're expected to. This pushes women away in and of itself, but these facts combine to make them bitter and creepy, which pushes women away even more strongly.

>And why is it only young men? We never see articles like this about women.
Because society has bent over backwards in the last few decades trying to push women into functional adulthood on their own, much like the way it used to do for men before deciding that men didn't actually need pushing. Boy was it wrong on that score.

>This is a completely unprecedented problem in human history.
This particular manifestation of it, perhaps, but it's not even unprecedented in living memory, much less history. China has been going through its own version of this crisis for some 20 years, though the driving factors are different.

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>>16758917

>And no arguments or explanations.

How can I argue with someone who is making absolutely no sense? You keep speaking gibberish and then calling me an idiot because I'm not intelligently responding to it. Half of your shit is riddled with spelling and grammatical errors and lack of substance and intelligence inside I'm literally having a difficult time understand the shit you're typing.

You're a brick wall of stupidity and you're asking me to argue with it and you're not seeming to understand that its literally impossible.

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>>16758910

lol. Its like you're not reading anything I'm saying you're just green texting it and repeating yourself as if that's supposed to be an adequate substitute for actually responding to my points.

You take little bits of green text out of context and then "burn" me and I hate to break it to you but thats not debating, that's acting like an 8 year old.

I'm not repeating myself again because I've tried explaining it about 100 different ways to your dumb ass but for some reason your impenetrable blunt skull refuses to absorb any information that contradicts your idiocy.

I can clearly and definitively say you have buttfrustrated me tonight, which rarely happens. You are one of the biggest idiots I've had the pleasure of encountering on /adv/ in a long time, so, thanks for that, I'm eternally grateful.

Good luck living in your little bubble. It seems very comfortable in there.

>>16758930
>blah blah blah blah yes I'm that idiot, answering your simple yes or no question with a wave of irrelevant nonsense

Ok great, don't reply to me. I really don't care. Not like I am missing out on anything worthwhile.

>>16758957

I literally replied to you and for some reason my words aren't penetrating your rock of a skull. Is english your first language? I'm honestly wondering at this point whether or not you're actually understanding the content of my replies.

Like I keep replying and you keep saying "HURR DURR LOOK AT HIM NO REPLYING"

Are you fucking with me? Are you a real fucking person?

>>16758954
>You take little bits of green text out of context
you mean showing you what I am answering, in order to make the answers more clear. Oh I see, you dislike clarifications.

You want me to just sit around and rant, without giving any examples like you are? Would that make you feel better?

> I've tried explaining it about 100 different ways

This is literally not true.

>blah blah blah now I just call you an idiot in a very roundabout way cuz I think it will make me look smart.

You are an uggo female, aren't you?

>>16758969
>Is english your first language?
*English

And no.

>Like I keep replying and you keep saying "HURR DURR LOOK AT HIM NO REPLYING"

Never happened.

>Are you fucking with me? Are you a real fucking person?

I am real, but I am getting a bit uncertain who you are having a conversation with. Time for your meds?

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>>16758980


It's like talking to a stump right now .... I'm closing my computer now.

>>16758993
Good. Why are you constantly telling me how much you aren't going to reply to me?

>>16758919

>Because society has bent over backwards in the last few decades trying to push women into functional adulthood on their own, much like the way it used to do for men before deciding that men didn't actually need pushing. Boy was it wrong on that score.

Truth.

>>16758407
women have to work a LOT harder to build and maintain success. They are also taken less seriously, and judged more harshly.

>>16759014
Then why are women always so fucking worthless in most positions they are given?

I've only seen women excel within governmental jobs, where they mainly fart and drink coffee.

>>16759014
>women have to work a LOT harder to build and maintain success. They are also taken less seriously, and judged more harshly.

Horseshit. I work in the electrical field and everyone, regardless of gender, is judged solely by their merit. There are instances of nepotism but these are independent of fucking gender and mandated more by either who knows who or who is related.

This field, like other blue collar trades, is harsh and competitive. There simply isn't space for someone to be sexist and I live in fucking south Texas. In fact the only time I've seen women put down was by other women. Jesus christ I hate this fucking time in civilization.

>>16758240
Single mothers.

>>16758240
>why do so many young men have trouble getting gfs and wives?

Millennials are weak fuck-boys that are afraid of pussy.

>>16759509
This

>>16759021
>why are women (insert degrading assumptions here)
lol
i've seen some pretty hard working women, from doctors to nurses to lawyers and judges and custodians and what not. At all levels, just a lot harder for them to enter. You're proving my point though. When a group isn't taken seriously or treated like 2nd class citizens- that's all you SEE out of them, versus what's actually happening

>>16759509
also entitlement issues

plenty of girls scared to talk to boys, and a culture of "hooking up" where men don't even want gf's/wives and want to fuck around. In the real world, most guys are like that

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>>16758644

>>>r/feminism

>>16759514
>(insert degrading assumptions)
>then posts assumptions about how someone is treated unfairly

ok, champ.

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>>16758240
Oh boy Wally! Another thread where disgruntled children play the role of armchair psychologist/sociologist using their recently acquired college education.

Gee, this is gone be great!

>>16760987
>real psychologists/sociologists AREN'T armchair psychologists/sociologists

>>16761006
>I've never been diagnosed with a mental illness and prefer self diagnosis, which I justify by disregarding whole areas of study.

>>16758370
I used to ask out guys. I got turned down a lot. but then I am like a 2/10 according to /b/ or /soc/ standards. ended up married anyway though.

>>16758370
also if the guys still have the "I ask girls out, not the other way round" mindset, they're gonna be thrown off. you know how being turned down a lot makes you not want to ask people out? well, being looked at/treated like you just farted in public or transgressed some other social boundary has that same effect. you might not feel that way about girls asking guys, but enough guys do, such that if a girl asks out guys, she will get that kind of response enough to make her think twice about doing the asking.

personally I think any adult should be able to ask any other adult on a date. but what do I know.

>>16761101
I once knew a girl who went out on a date with any guy who had enough courage to ask her out since she knew how difficult it was. That obviously led to many bad dates but at the same time she had some pretty interesting experiences because of it. I wish more girls had her point of view.

Too many betas, and the ones who do get gf's are always like "you're too good for me" or super insecure, always asking about the girls past and shit.

"Faint hearts never won fair ladies."

Be a hero, and you'll be able to pick from your societies best women.

If you're not worthy, you won't get a good woman, deal with it. Improve yourself and you'll improve your chances of getting a good woman. Just because you're a man with needs doesn't mean you're entitled to a beautiful girlfriend.

>>16761246
>wanting to date a slut

No thanks, go be a cuck somewhere else.

And fuck your shit about working hard and improving myself while she sits on her arse, does fuck all and looks pretty.
It's not fair and I'd rather just pick up a club slut for a shag instead of working my ass of so that I can "win" a pretty leech who requires constant effort and attention.

If women aren't expected to be women anymore than I have zero obligation to fulfill my traditional male role, get fucked whiteknight.

>>16761277
In a world with no women, if you ever said "instead of working my ass off" you'd be immediately purged and for good reason. If you're pathetic even by men's standards then it's no surprise that it extends to the opinions women have of you. You have zero pride in yourself.

>>16761285
>In a world with no women, if you ever said "instead of working my ass off" you'd be immediately purged and for good reason

In your dreams cuckie.

Keep being a good little provider.

>Refusal to participate would result in reduction of benefits payments
Sounds fair to me. Go out and date people we set you up with because we need population growth, and we'll keep giving you welfare.
Don't wanna? Alright get a fucking job.

Aged men are naturally perceived as more attractive partners due to biological factors. Their independence and experience and social status and accumulated wealth broadcast that they are an optimal partner for mating, it proves that they survived the harsh world and grew in strength. In comparison, women are judged to be adequate partners when they are young and healthy, which proves that they are fertile. We have reached enough social awareness to talk about privileges and oppression that concern women but we are still at a stage where young men are told to suck it up.

>>16761298
I don't dream about excuses for adults who say things like "fuck your shit about working hard." You're basically a hobo with an internet connection right now. I don't understand how you think your opinions of anyone matter to them.

>>16761309
Good wageslave, very good.

If young men do not produce the necessary qualities to match the standards expected to be attractive, when referring to standards sought by female partners of the same age group, then it is either because young men don't do enough efforts or because the standards they have to meet are too high. I think we both know which one is the answer.

>>16761277
That type of attitude is why girls don't want you.

>>16761368
His type of attitude is why eugenics was right and Hitler did nothing wrong.

The girls who got their shit together are taken. The rest are not desirable in my eyes

>fat(shows a lack of willpower and self-control)
>kids from other men
>bouncing between low wage jobs
>mental issues
>only interest is consuming media

Why waste my time and money when I can focus on my career, active hobbies like cycling, and my long term goals(home ownership, investment property, retiring early). I got my hand for the urges, and if I feel like spending a bit there is always prostitution.

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>>16761368

Oy vey the boyim know, all women are angels who deserve 10/10s while all men are beta losers unless otherwise noted

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>>16761368
Classic woman "argument".

OP you're just describing who you associate with. Two main things. First, there's plenty of average bodied, awkward, slightly obnoxious girls out there who aren't getting dates too. Second, it's not normal.

Itt: angry betas who refuse to improve themselves but expect perfect women to fall into their lap.

Thank god for sex bots, you guys shouldn't breed. Not likely to happen anyway.

>>16761410
t. whiteknight

>>16758240
I swear to God /adv/ is so fucking useless in dispensing anything. All you faggots are just bitches.

Where the fuck do I look for help that isn't populated by /r9k/ gaylords?

>>16761413
Better than whiteknighting trannies, which is 4chan has turned to.

>>16761427
Traps > Modern "women"

>>16761417
>wahhhh gib hugbox pls

Back to plebbit.

>>16761417
Real life. Haven't you noticed that 90 percent of the advice here is completely stupid?

>>16761435
>traps

Please tell me you're kidding. It's cool if you're gay, but don't pretend that you're not. You just like boipussy.

Women are right to stay away from men who aren't willing to prove themselves. There's a reason why every movie has a Hero winning over the princess, and not the beta sitting at home reading Redpill threads about women and fapping multiple times a day.

>>16761435
Trannies and their enablers should be curbstomped.

>hugbox
I'm pretty sure this thread fits the definition of hugbox.

>>16761450
t. Whiteknight cuck

>>16761455
>I need my dick cut off.

Ignoring all cultural, social and meme aspects of this, most first world countries have a gender ratio of 1.05 young men to young women or higher, which in many cases is only being worsened by immigration. Things don't even out until the late 20s. Statistically, if every young woman paired off with a young man, at least 1/21 men would still be alone

Ours is the first generation who born without roots. Women were liberated in the last generation and boys were raised without seeing traditional roles or good role models. As a man it's next to impossible to learn your role as a man young without help, and individualism is expected of men so they don't get help from anyone in this regard expect from their families where they can't get it. Also social media drove women's expectation through the roof and being assholes to men who are uncertain and try to find their role don't help either.

>>16761520
Almost as bad as willingly putting your cock in the cuck-cage ;^)

>>16761552
Clearly, importing millions of uneducated savage shitskin males is the answer and won't lead to war.

>>16761568
>There are only white females in this world.

You faggots now have local access to mail order brides.

>>16761588
>missing the point this hard
>being this ignorant of the situation

>>16758240
>We never see articles like this about women.
too lazy to post article on young professional asian women getting too old for marriage

>This is a completely unprecedented problem in human history.
just wait till a retarded tumblr poster with a vagina does an elliot roger 2.0

I don't want to date whores. Fuck your 'sexual liberation', I'm not going near someone with a sexual past like a telephone dictionary and a complete lack of judgement.

>>16761656
I'll only date a virgin, I'd be careful about what you say in public though. Some people get all offended.

>>16758644
>toxic masculinity
Masculinity is what women want in a man. There is no toxicity. It's just that men aren't being taught how to masculinity, despite being subjected to

>biggest cause of social isolation as people who have been "raised" as men get older.
No they're people who don't have a purpose, masculinity gives purpose.

>>16758644
>>real men don't cry
>>men are do'ers and women are talkers
That's not toxic. Toxic is when you take it to the level of imposing shit on others. E.g. refusing to help other men because they should take care of themselves.

>2. Emotional Labour - all that shit that we expect women to do and not men.
And that shit goes both ways. Hence why you hear guys bitch about having to walk on eggshells.
Besides
>So of course men don't know how to maintain relationships if we haven't needed to learn it due to our reliance on women to do it for us.
That shit was never the case, and definitely not for young men. Even worse, as an explanation for being unable to get a woman in the first place it makes absolutely no sense. Guys used to be able to get women because their women would do the social legwork for them? Huh?

Beyond that, both points were MORE pronounced in the past, not less. If you were right, guys should have less trouble getting women now and this thread/board/website wouldn't exist.

>>16758240

I wonder this myself, I'm part of the "problem", girls never liked me throughout school, and so I never had a relationship. You just work, advance, enjoy your hobbies and small group of friends, next thing you know you're 29 and have never had any kind of relationship. Here I am working full time and I just have no desire to have one, I think it's supposed to be nurtured while young, but if girls don't go for you, if they reject you, then you never build that desire.

I worked in a highly social place as security(mall), I won awards, I'm not a slob or a fatty, I'm not handsome though, or fit, and all attempts while I worked there for one and a half years were met with profound rejection. The only time I broke through was a chick who would take any warm body, and I've always been put off by people who will literally take anyone, she and I are friends though.

I contrasted my own experience to my coworker, fit, cocky, uses people, jock/athletic type, mixed(blatino), he and I are both tall broad guys, and women just fall all over him, it's like the stereotype everyone says isn't true.

I just end up baffled and wary, women have always disliked me, but I feel weird for not desiring what society says I should desire.

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>>16758707
Not that other guy. Just saw this thread.

Pic related

>>16763203
Damn me being a normal grill can't even get a bf.

>>16763681
Try lowering the bar.

>>16758240
>Really though why do so many young men have trouble getting gfs and wives?
Any proof for this? Seems like there is a very small and very whiny minority of losers. At least from personal experience IRL and from the experience of all the people I know; I don't recall a single person who had trouble to get a partner.

>>16758351
That's pure bullshit. A bit insecurity and cynicism will be perceived as positive by most.

>>16758407
It was always this way and same about being smart. Your point?

>>16761568
Just imagine how disgusting and stupid somebodybody has to be, if a woman would prefer an uneducated, religious savage shitskin over them...

I am extremely lucky I have a beautiful girlfriend and we really love each other.

But I was 22 when I finally got a girlfriend. Combination of stuck up bitches empowered by 3rd wave feminism and social anxiety meant that it took a long time before I finally got one.

>>16763827
Fuck off roastie.

>>16763915
Convincing argument there, mate.

>>16763919
Roastie mad af

>>16764606
>bitches about being a virgin
>thinks anybody else is mad
You're a curious fella

Advances in technology lead us to more social isolation, we're raised to not be a jackass but then social activists say everything we do is considered harassment and rape, people are more willing to give up and say "fuck it, I'm gay" rather than try to work through rough patches (which also gives gays a worse rep)...
Take your pick, anon

>>16758423
Fukken this man has it all down, pretty much. Men are still saddled with all the traditional negatives of marriage/divorce, but none of the privilege or security.

>>16758534
Laid, yes, but not wifed.

>>16765547

Getting sex is still better than getting nothing. Women are born desirable and can only go up, men are born undesirable unless otherwise noted.

>>16765654
I guess. Though I think the unattractive woman who henpecks her beta SO while deluding herself that she "settled" and actually deserves some successful hunk is just as pathetic and unhappy as the shut in neckbeard who saves up his birthday money for a whore once or twice a year.

Don't worry though, technology is only getting better at sedating us.

>>16763681
try lowering the jaw

Honestly, I think in general people are more lonely than they were 50 years ago.

>>16765685
Family is no longer the center of our lives. Even a widow or lifelong bachelor would usually have extended family around.

Technology and greed has made the workplace the center of our existence, with every household an island.

Actually makes me depressed as fuck. The past was not all rosy and perfect, but in the march towards progress most of us have been robbed of participating in the most fundamental human bonds.

>>16765773
I know. All I want to do is have a loving family and some children and this is being crushed by the marxist feminist cunts and the socialist degenerate scum who force women into roles that they don't necessarily want.

Seriously, we are living through the decline of the west.

>>16765782
I think changing technology has more to do with it than any marxist agenda... that shit is as much symptom as cause.

We did not evolve in an environment with abundant calories, easy birth control, sustaining life with sedentary work, and so on. We are fish flopping about on land, and who knows how or if we will adapt. I believe we're at a crossroads similar to the transition from hunter gather societies to settled agricultural societies--except that it's happening even faster.

>>16758644
>Toxic Masculinity
stopped reading

>>16765809
I generally think that a lot of the west is not thankfull enough for what they have and are whiney children. I mean look at hipsters, they have never had to deal with anything particularly difficult ever and yet they whine about police shooting criminals.

They teach everybody that they are special when they are not as well, with their participation prizes and all that pointless shit. Sure, technology has a part to play, but I think the overall pussification of people and the entitlement that comes with it is far more caustic.

>>16758644
Shut the fuck up nigger, this isn't 1970. Men are more feminized and pussywhipped than ever before. The reason men are forced to bottle up their emotions is because they are not allowed to have strong male friendships, because having a place where men congregate without women is now "sexist". Masculine spaces have been mocked and derided to the point where faggot words like "man cave" are now common parlance.

Women cannot handle being the primary emotional support for men, and they do not want to be.

>>16765838
>never had to deal with anything particularly difficult
That's my point. Technology has obsoleted or weakened all the social structures previous generations relied on to give us direction in life. And we've replaced family and civic life with ignorant, hedonistic nihilism.

Meanwhile the wealthy and powerful still make use of fraternal organizations, family connections, and so forth to improve their lives and scoop up even more of the world for themselves. That's weird, huh?

>>16758444
frighteningly accurate anon, gonna go jump off a bridge now

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>>16758644

cause no one wants to deal with you guys

>>16765838
>and yet they whine about police shooting criminals.

sorry, what? It's 'whining' and ungrateful to speak up for justice for OTHER people in society? The fuck?

Anytime I see a thread full of people treating an entire gender as a monolith I know it's safe to ignore everyone in the thread.

Thanks guys!

>>16758911
Aren't men at fault too then for taking more than one girl? The guy could say no to the second girl, leaving her with the second guy or alone.

>>16766211

Thanks for the bump faggot

>>16766224
>implying bitch #2 will tolerate to date the other guy

>>16766235

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>16766280
There's a mainstream TV show with this very premise.