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/stg/- Slave Trainer General

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Gold tomorrow edition

This is a general about slave trainer games and the creation of games where you play as a male and dominate women. Discussion about games not being created here is also acceptable as long as it's related to the topic at hand(ie playing a male and dominating women).

If you're working on a game and want to list a pastebin here speak up please.

Major Versions of the game (BT is necessary for mods):Silver edition and Russian edition are the most active
Each of these is a standalone game, not a mod for any of the others. BASICALLY the links to download the games are in this pastebin.
http://pastebin.com/kA21ncJK

Maverick wrote a guide for scripting. Shows how to write/structure scenes for coders. Good for idea-guys & script-writers:
http://pastebin.com/gRyrGgDt

Info on character generators:
http://pastebin.com/CaevjctD

Links to other games
http://pastebin.com/7CHVFKWM

Witch trainer dress up thing(back by popular demand)
http://stregac.github.io/trainers_image_library/

Korra Trainer/Breaking Bat/Incredibles trainer/Tifa trainer/Momcest trainer/Ben ten trainer/(Anon projects not related to Witch Trainer)
http://pastebin.com/K5NC3Tk1

Contact info for major contributors:
https://quip.com/I2f8AaPEEr0a
Some of these people are looking for writers and artists. If you're interested mention it

Report & ignore shitposters, people that scream proxyfag/samefag/waifu/waifufag, people that post beast and hamplanet attention whores
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First for demon lolis
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>>439118
>gold tomorrow
Will anyone be dumb enough to believe this.
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>>439123
Yes.
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>>439123
Probably.
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>>439120
First post best post.
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>>439118
>tomorrow
Lel
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>Gold tomorrow edition
what does this mean?
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>>439137
It's a blatant lie to fuck with people who don't anything.
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Third day of Ren'Py testing.
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Any suggestions for games with lesbians?
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>>439171
Go somewhere else.
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>>439171
http://g.e-hentai.org/?f_doujinshi=0&f_manga=0&f_artistcg=0&f_gamecg=1&f_western=0&f_non-h=0&f_imageset=0&f_cosplay=0&f_asianporn=0&f_misc=0&f_search=lesbian&f_apply=Apply+Filter
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Four Houses when?
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>>439206
it came out yesterday, didn't you see?
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>>439207

Haha, good meme!
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Well Susan's new body is done.
Much easier to work with now.
Here's one of the many outfits that you'll be able to dress her up in.

Also if there are any outfits in particular you'd really like to see her in, now's the time to post a reference and make your request.
She'll have the following tiers:

Tier 1 - Normal clothes
Tier 2 - More revealing
Tier 3 - Underwear/Swimsuits
Tier 4 - Slutwear
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>>439213
>>439213

lewd lingerie


how long until release
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>>439213

Need ass shots of Susan in that thong, buddy.
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>>439216
She has a back view.
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>>439217

Can you post it? <3
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>>439213
She has a penis?
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>>439230
Yes.
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>>439217

guess no booty reveal?
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>>439240

artguy would never lie to us, right guys?
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>>439242
in artguy we trust
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Oh good
A tripfag who literally hasn't done anything
It was a real nice run, /stg/
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>>439245
>he doesn't get the drunk driver joke

Lurk more retard
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>>439245

Get ran over.
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>>439230
How did you figure it out?
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>>439246
>>439249
Yeah yeah, beep beep, fuck you niggers
Namefagging would have sufficed
Pussies
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>>439137
It's the calling sign of a thread created by a Jew
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>>439255

Need an ass shot, Arty.
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>>439255
What happened to the chest blush?
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>>439255
Something about her face still seems off.
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>>439269
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>>439273

What happened to the posing/ass shots?
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>>439275
You'll need to wait for the demo for those.
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>>439279

Okay, see you in 4 years :^)
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>>439280
Book it.
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>>439282

it's a date
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>>439285
You're gonna feel like an ass in four years when artguy gets the last laugh by dying to a drunk driver the eve of the 4house mod's release.
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>>439213
That line under the neck looks wrong.
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Hey guys, just curious. If I'd like to go ahead with this project, where should I search for good artists/writers?
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>>439415
not here i'd say. go to /weg/ say it might have furry degeneracy and you may be "lucky"
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>>439424
>/weg/ for artists and writers

why are you lying?
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>>439424
put your name back on, tropic
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>>439415
Top of the thread. There's a link to 90% of the coders, artists and writers with ways to contact them.
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>>439415
Nowhere, because it's a cuck project and you shoul feel bad even thinking about it.
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>>439430
I feel a bit stupid for not seeing it before. Thanks!

>>439433
>a Visual Novel where the protagonist is a 'refugee'
>he can have romantic (or violent) relationships with lolis, older girls, young boys, while he travel across Europe...
>jokes about the politically correct european sentimentalism and cultural clash
>different endings according to your behaviour

Do you feel bad because you might chose a bad path?
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>>439445
>>a Visual Novel where the protagonist is a 'refugee'
It's shit.
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>>439445
Please leave and never come back you stupid fucking faggot
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>>439445
Literally garbage.
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Didn't think /stg/ could be any more retarded.
I was wrong.
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>>439428
better chance that here
>>439429
not him. pic related
also
>tropic in the background
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>>439475
Yeah they guy "making" a game about a refugee is really retarded.
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>>439271
it is her lips, all others parts are outlined by black lines but not her lips.

same goes for niples
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>>439490
Actually the guys screaming cuck and garbage at everything not catering to their fetishes 100 % are retarded.
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>>439497
Nope nice try though
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>>439504
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>>439478
You can't post that shit. Who am i kidding all 4chan moderators are pedophiles, can't wait for you all to go to jail and be mutilated by the inmates
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>>439518
I am not from your shithole of a country. That is perfectly legal here.
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>>439518
this desu
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>>439523
Sure, "legal", go shout on the streets you jerk off to little girls porn art, see what your neighbours think about it, you are the worst piece of shit of humanity
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>>439445
Yeah man go for it.
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>>439529
see >>439517
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>>439415
Not really a good place to go really.
>>439445
Anyways keep posting about the game here.
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>>439529
Wow you're really doing your best to samefag and shitpost your hardest this thread.
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Everytime I open this thread someone is always either baiting or getting mad about something

Like why should anyone care for an opinion about an individual shitposter

It's tiring seeing the same old shit everyday
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>>439549
He does his best to run off anyone creating anything. Nothing new.
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>>439552
Well someone right now is just trolling his ass off.
90% of the shitposting in this one is
>>439529
>>439518
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>>439552
because literally nothing will happen until gold is released, and even then the discussion will last like 2 threads and most of it will be idiots asking questions that they could figure out in 5 min
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>>439559
>>439552
I'm not shitposting you retards i'm just pointing out that is against of the fucking rules of the board! But you don't care becouse you get aroused by little girl too.
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>>439567
This obvious bait
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>>439567
its a demon, they don't need to actually represent their age with their bodies, fuck off
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>>439433

literally every project has you playing as a character who is not you

literally every project has you watching someone else fuck your waif

mindcuck
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>>439579
Gosh oh darn!
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>>439566
That's not even true
>artguy used to post poses
>long discussions on different clothes
>artgay lied and discussing died
>tropic posted bretty ok demo
>two threads of people talking about it and modifications on Helen
>shit poster cries
IT SUCKS
>mod guys get scared and stop posting

It's like
There is so much potential for a good wholesome general that can be about something but it keeps getting ruined by 2 or 3 guys and janitor encourages the shit out of it

Not to mention if op did even a 1/10 of any work to make the op good to newcomers they wouldn't even ask those questions

It's sad
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Lets all ignore the pedos and dream of sunnier times on a deserted island
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>>439581
Stop feeding bait fuck.
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I can't wait for more loli from that incest guy.
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>>439593
From based hs? YEP.
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>>439593
And from artguy. But yeah the fact that HS is trying to make a better looking urban x life with loli is going to be great.
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>>439603
I keep getting fucking HS and DS mixed up.
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>>439593
Looking forward to his game as much as 4 houses.
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>>439603
>But yeah the fact that HS is trying to make a better looking urban x life with loli is going to be great.
What? O.o Whare? When? =P
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>>439143
You should name this game rapeugee
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i'd play refugee trainer if only because i have little standards for an stg so long as someone tries.

like, super mom is general meme shit. if it were complete, i would still play it.

everyone here seems to be the same. except most are willing to play unfinished crap.

kinda inspiring as someone that wants to make a game knowing that just about fucking anything would please this general.
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>>439255
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The lips seem too exaggerated. She looks like a blow-up doll. Also, I feel like the v between her legs needs to be more angled
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>>439692
What world do you live in?
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>>439692
To be fair super mom is meme shit because tropic got mad at us for bothering him to release it early when he didn't want to
it could have probably been better if he was given time
but SOMEONE had to rig the fucking poll

I hope basement build is good
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>>439269
>>439273
Compare the shape of the v's. The old one looks better
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>>439692
I'd play the fuck out of rapeugee trainer
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>>439654
>>439692
>game rapeugee
>refugee trainer
you kidding?

>>439415
well fuck..
why not, I play it
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>>439654
>rapeugee
I'll think of it, anon. But remember that there are good paths too. There is more than rape.
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>>439764
>welfare rapugees
>good path

What would that be?
The collapse of EU?
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>>439764
Make sure to make the main character white so it triggers sjw when they find out because white people can't be refugees
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>>439775
now this, this is good.

refugee from some white country
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Play as white refugee who escapes to ayyland and contributes to destroying their government and society.
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>>439823
>refugee from some white country
PFft sweden used to be white.
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So new to this general I'm under the impression injustice is la kill.
Is 1.4 worth it ?
So far it seems buggy and time consuming
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>>439774
kek. There are a lot of possibilities.

>>439775
>>439823
But being white will deny him some privileges, like raping/stealing/killing without consequences, mass media support, the title of "children" even if the character is 30yo...

Path? I've been thinking of something like pic related. Of course it will be a bit different if the coastguards caught you, and you are relocated on a refugee center. Including the chance of escaping with a social worker who fell in love with you.
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>>439764
>good path
die in a fucking fire
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>>439832
>Including the chance of escaping with a social worker who fell in love with you.
You might kill her, and rape her little daughter. =3
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>>439832
>But being white will deny him some privileges, like raping/stealing/killing without consequences, mass media support, the title of "children" even if the character is 30yo...
That's the joke through. That's what you're making fun of, the fact he's getting all of these privileges as the "most" privileged race. Will trigger them.
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Hey fags. Heres a sketch of the new dash.. Complete with peen.
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Is Trump gonna make PT:Gold real?
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>>439839
He needs a bigger dick.
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>>439832
>But being white will deny him some privileges
Nah it's fine since you're parodying the entire thing anyways.
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>>439842
isn't dash like 10?
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>>439842
I cant include you in the picture... that would take up the whole thing...


(also I know Thats just mainly for reference.)
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>>439839
That's a cock of a cuck. He needs to have a monster hog to take advantage of a woman who can stretch.
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>>439832
It would be funny to do the reverse of this and go to countries were the refugees are from and fuck up their country in revenge.
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>>439832
If you want to make a LE FUNNY game then you have the perfect setting by using a white character.

He does all this shit and everyone brushes it off as nothing and makes up excuses for why there's nothing wrong with what he's doing, what better LE FUNNY could you think of?
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>>439846
So? Do super powers exists or did kids break their mothers sexually? This isn't realistic.
>>439847
Your post doesn't even make sense.
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>>439839
I'm going to have to agree with the people that says his pencil dick is way too small.
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>>439852
His super power isn't to get a big dick
It's to run fast
He's still 10
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>>439854
I didn't it was. Try reading the post again.
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>>439839
Please, remember how dicks work :)
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>>439854
His point was that the game and setting isn't realistic so your point about him being only ten means literally nothing. Obviously.
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>>439854
>>439846
Age doesn't matter in porn. Are you retarded?
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>>439858
>having a 10 year old kid with a 10 year old penis isn't realistic

What the fuck am I reading
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>>439860
>age dosen't matter in porn

THEN WHY DO YOU NIGGERS COMPLAIN EVERYTIME LOLI GETS POSTED

BAM
ARGUMENT BROKEN
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>>439478
sauce?
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>>439863
Unteralterbach. Amazing lolicon game, to be honest.
http://unteralterbach.net
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Here you all go.. i fixed it.

(and as I said.. this is a sketch)
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>>439863
Pedophile simulator
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>>439866
delete this
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>>439862
Literally only one guy does that newfag
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>>439861
How are you this bad at reading. HE'S IMPLYING THAT YOUR ARGUMENT THAT DASH HAVING A BIG DICK BEING UNREALISTIC DOESN'T MATTER.
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>>439866
Looks good
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>>439866
what the fuck
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>>439862
This disinformation. Hs gets a shit of positive attention from a bunch of people for posting loli and so does artguy. Fuck off retard.
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>>439866
is that
a
Horse penis?
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>>439866
Awesome.
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>>439887
>I'm not gay, btw
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>>439866
Perfect.
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>>439887
WAKE ME UP

Holy fuck his eyes
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>>439866
Kek. Now this is doing it right.
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>>439866
Massive improvement if you know what I mean.
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>>439831
It got renamed to Something Unlimited and SR7 released it on his hentai foundry

SU 1.6: https://mega.nz/#!mFEkTAzA!t9Zvn7L91mmDo7q7NUARk7xOdwWf7yab7SYH4WGo0RU

SU 1.6 MAC: https://mega.nz/#!eFlRRKIA!xNZIghpTRQdArZdLff19m_n6B98V0kMeImitPqcXSw0
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>>439895
>literally posts cuck shit in the thread
That's how you know it's bait.
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>>439866
Dick arguments aside the sketch looks good. I'd choose this one over the other one.
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>>439905
>cuck shit
What the fuck are you talking about?
This is the comic where the single middle school boy breaks 4 women and is one of the greatest porn pieces ever made
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>>439911
Hana hook does literally nothing but ntr
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>>439911
>Being this retarded
I've seen hana hooks work. It's basically 99% cuck garbage.
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>>439912
How can the boy NTR himself
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>439914
Do you understand what the word cuck even means

Do you even know this comic?
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>>439920
No I just know hana hook and when you search exhentai with his name and do -ntr 99% of what he's done is gone.
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>>439920
>>439916
Listen I don't know what comic they're talking about. But if you actually read their posts, they're saying that most of the work hana hook does is ntr and are dismissing what you posted as ntr based on that.

This isn't hard to understand.
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>>439922
Alright, I can assure you 100% this one particular piece she has does not contain NTR whatsoever
Which is why I used it as a point of reference to the previous poster to explain that you don't necessarily need to have a horse dick to make a good mother breaking comic
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>>439924
It's better when a shota has a giant dick.
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>>439925
I disagree
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>>439920
>Scat
Even if it doesn't have NTR, that particular doujin is STILL shitty.
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>>439929
Your opinion is trash so.
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>>439929
You like something with scat in it, your opinion is shitty anyways.
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Why do people always try to pass off their favorite garbage fetish works as the second coming of Christ?
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>>439938
because your fetish is shit
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>>439866
10/10
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>>439866
Much better!
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>>439942
>tropic having the worst opinion
Nothing new
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>>439942
You literally never have a good opinion.
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>>439942
Whats why big dick shota on milf is popular right? God you're retarded.
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>>439949
You're not using that term right.
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>>439940
Did I hurt your feelings, anon?
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>>439942

> posting a Gamer Goober symbol on 4chan

I thought m00t exiled all of you faggots
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I havn't looked at these games in years. Are there any good editions with expansion (breast, etc) or futa content?
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>>439959
>futa
fuck off to /d/
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Any news of korra Trainer ?
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>>439958
stop bully estonia
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>>439959
Not in this thread go to /d/.
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>>439962
it's shit
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>>439962
Some new art that's good
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>>439942
Yeah no retard. The attractive part isn't the fact the shota has a small dick unless you're into femdom or want to fuck the shota. For everyone else here's the age difference and the facts he's dominating an older woman.
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>>439974
But a shota having a big dick doesn't make sense
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>>439978
janitor just starts deleting everything in a blind furry anytime tropic posts, don't take it too personally
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>>439979
neither do the super powers, the setting, YOUR ENTIRE GAME DOESN'T MAKE ANY REALISTIC SENSE. So you can't hide behind that fucking argument.
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>>439979
He's the fastest person in the world, he literally used his speed to steal some super science to make his cock huge. Which is something a horny kid with powers would do in a porn game.
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>>439989
Ok so you admit you don't have an argument and are just shitposting like every single time you get blown the fuck out. Thanks man.
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>>439989
see
>>439986
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>>439990
What can you possibly do to stop me?

I'll make it into a microwang
SO SMALL YOU WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE IT
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>>439993
You don't need to keep admitting it man. I get it. You got blown the fuck out by logic and you don't know how to reply to it. You can stop.
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>>439993
So you're removing the super powers from the game right? They're unrealistic. You're also changing the plot to right?
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Post demons to drive tropic away

SHOO SHOO TROPIC
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>>439997
This I mean a ten year old dash wouldn't do anything unrealistic like fucking/breaking his mother. So we are actually going to play the dad right?
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>>439962
Working on growing the demo
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>>439832
>escaping with a social worker who fell in love with you
man that article made me mad
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Damn you, DBZNoob... Now I can't stop drawing cute dicks!
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>>439866
100000 times better
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>>440023
I'd play a trap trainer in a heartbeat
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>>440028
No get out.
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>>440028
No one cares. Wrong thread for that.
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>>440034
agreed

it's really fallen to new lows recently

i'm not sure what's worse the little boy cocks, the muslim rape game thing or the fact than anyone semi decent like nemo has fucked off
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>>440035
>>440034
Fuck off samefag go whine about the clearly not being for traps somewhere else.
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>someone posts something
>someone cries the general is shit because of X

Free speech was a mistake
This is like the 999th time
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>>440041
This general is been pretty much about one thing for a long time. It's stated pretty clearly in the op, people think that if they come in here and whine about it. That means the general has to change to suite them which isn't going to happen.
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>>440035
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>>439857
you do know, not all dicks are the same right?
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>>439586
Wow, when I drew that feather duster I did not imagine that as a remix.

Bravo anon.
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>>440047
Kek
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>>440050
I started off trying to use the feather as a headdress for a show girl style thing but couldn't get a top looking correct

keep drawing stuff though, it get boring otherwise and I result to winding up the easily triggered
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>>439866
Now we are talking.
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>>439118
>Gold tomorrow edition

3 months ago you guys said "Gold will be released next week". Fuck you all desu
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>>440150
We were lying then and we are now.
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>>440023
dicks don't protrude out of the mons pubis, they attach at the base of the torso. Directly behind the scrotum is the perineum.
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>>439979

Why is it that an hour ago I was thinking "I miss when every shota had a dick bigger than his arm" and here you faggots are talking about this shit the exact moment I was thinking about it

ARE YOU IN MY MIND, IS THIS JUST A FIGMENT OF MY IMAGINATION?
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shotas should have adult-sized dicks. not tiny faggot pricks nor horse cocks.
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>>440258
well
that's enough internet for me today
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>>440150
Gold is vaporware. It has never existed and it never will.
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>>440258
kek
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>>440258
If you grab his balls, maybe the dragon might grant you a wish.
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>>439866
Oh yeah, I just realized what was off about that dick.. The "eye"! Kekkekek
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why is the janny so assmad over nothing
>>440320
more than that, nignog.
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>>440288
I wish my posts didn't get deleted
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>>440405
is tropic mod now or what
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>I HATE FUN
/stg/ mods
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Back from my trip, back to work. Been working on that Leprechaun animation, thinking about redoing it one more time in a different format hoping to get a better result.

FYI: this is just a W.I.P, Needs more work done but that may not matter if redo it.
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>>440420


......So this wasnt a joke?
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>>440420
Has potential,seems like it has weird body issues through and where are her tits.
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>>440420
What do you mean different format? I'm pretty interested in your game
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>>440420
>>440420
I like the overlapping action but the anatomy gets lost at points and the penis feels like its being pushed down instead of going into the pussy.
Also might want to add an extreme frame to the down to really push that motion even more.
When you in between itll look cool!
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>>440420
It's neat to have someone interested in animations.
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>>440420
is... is this an STG based on training a red head leprechaun?
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>>440434
Sort of. She's just one of the girls in the game.
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I thought the Leprechaun was a joke
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>>440420
based hs
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>>440422
Its real.

>>440423
ya, to be honest, thats a problem I have working with Flash. The squishy nature of the vector brush's just don't work well with me. I really wish I can find a good bitmap animation program. Photoshop is good but I hate the timeline it shows, Sketchbook pro is nice, but limited in layers & tools. Regular programs like Paint tool sai could work, but means I would have to go back between the animation program and drawing program checking errors in animation. Back when I went to college for animation, it was easier since we did everything on paper, but computer programs make things just a little less personal.
also, tits was what I was going to work on next, but not very pronounced.

>>440424
Trying a mesh animation using the program Spine. Not Frame-by-Frame but more puppet like animation.

>>440425
Above for anatomy reasons. The penis needs to more layers of additional animation to give the illusion, but depeding on that I may need to adjust the penis layer.
Also thanks for the advice.
>>440427
thanks, I just wish I got get a good programmer who could implement other stuff I wanted into a good program like Game maker or Unity. Im sick of using RPGmaker. Though its nice its finally got .Webm support.

>>440434
Shit, I may have posted this on the wrong thread. I mean one of my characters will have a dumb down STG aspect.

Character sheet for reference.
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>>440451
>Shit, I may have posted this on the wrong thread. I mean one of my characters will have a dumb down STG aspect.

No your game fits here.
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>>440451
You posted it in the right thread. The other one is complete trash.


You should make the lep have nice big tits
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>>440451
>problem I have working with Flash. The squishy nature of the vector brush's just don't work well with me. I really wish I can find a good bitmap animation program. Photoshop is good but I hate the timeline it shows, Sketchbook pro is nice, but limited in layers & tools. Regular programs like Paint tool sai could work, but means I would have to go back between the animation program and drawing program checking errors in animation. Back when I went to college for animation, it was easier since we did everything on paper, but computer programs make things just a little less personal.
TV Paint bruh
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>>440451
Nah you got the right place. Your game is about using your powers on all of those chicks. Anyways look up and see what boogie does, he's made some pretty good animations.
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>>440455
Actually the Lep is the slight STG part of the game. See, in order to get certain skills in the game to open up alternative plot points, you need to capture the Lep, each time she gives you a skill, a nice scene, and slowly forces your influence on her.
I hadn't planned on any different body types for her, but you can never tell for other characters or new paths should I feel it becomes right.>>440458
>>problem I have working with Flash. The squishy nature of the vector brush's just don't work well with me. I really wish I can find a good bitmap animation program. Photoshop is good but I hate the timeline it shows, Sketchbook pro is nice, but limited in layers & tools. Regular programs like Paint tool sai could work, but means I would have to go back between the animation program and drawing program checking errors in animation. Back when I went to college for animation, it was easier since we did everything on paper, but computer programs make things just a little less personal.
>>440458
Cost to much for me, and I can't find good torrent.
>>440460
I like his stuff, does he use photoshop? I need to wait for my new PC to come in before I consider photoshop for full animation. My PC can barely handle it.
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>>440467
Judging by the line quality and the easing, it looks like flash to me
you could try animating the way mike inel does, he uses AE iirc
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>>440467
http://meaconscientia.tumblr.com/tagged/Tag_c

You'd have to look around or ask him. He talks about it a little bit here.
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>>440480
I wish I could find a timelapse of his work, or even a tutorial. I know he uses a combination of photoshop and AE.
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>>439213
Just real clothes. Shirts (of various types and in states of undress), sweaters, jeans, etc. Lingerie would be appreciate too.
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>>440486
I follow him on patreon I can send you some of his PSDs and stuff.
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>>439866
Thats some nice size but i tihnk it should be more stiff and straight

like \ or (

Fun fact: Jonah Falcon had a 6 inch dick in elementary school while flaccid
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>>440504
>Fun fact: Jonah Falcon had a 6 inch dick in elementary school while flaccid
>saying facts
You're going to trigger tropic.
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>>440492
I follow him too, after his stuff with the Adventure time game I had to become a patreon (makes me want to give 3D another try). But I have yet to see a video of him animating, mostly its videos of illustrations, or file dumps which shows alot but I would love a tutorial.
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>>440504
> My past has so unaffected me." When Falcon was in fifth grade, his schoolmates saw his penis, which was eight inches long at that point, while he changed in a locker room stall. After this, his schoolmates treated Falcon with deference. When he was ten, an older neighbor told an eighteen-year-old woman about Falcon, and arranged for the two to have sex, which was Falcon's first sexual experience
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>>440519
I mean from looking through his PSDs it seems like his usual thing is
1) do rough animation in 3d
2) draw over every frame in photoshop
3) composite in AE and apply hella filters.
His youtube has tons of bts stuff
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Okay, I've compiled a list of attractive Hogwarts students (and Fleur). Am I missing anyone?

Susan Bones
Hannah Abbott
Fay Dunbar
Lavender Brown
Parvati Patil
Padma Patil
Penelope Clearwater
Ginny Weasley
Hermione Granger
Luna Lovegood
Fleur Delacour
Katie Bell
Angelina Johnson
Cho Chang
Daphne Greengrass
Flora Carrow
Hestia Carrow
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>>440543
Fleurs sister.
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>>440543
If you want to include the centaurs tastes, don't forget about Ms. Umbrage
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>>440531
Actually, his 3D rotoscoping is new If I remember correctly, for his gravity falls thing he just made. His older stuff is just normal art and after effects.
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>>440543
Madam Rosmerta
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Silver updated. New inventory system. Not really any new scenes, they should be done by next update though.

http://pastebin.com/KY3RGQei
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>>440547
Too young for my tastes. Thanks though.

>>440554
I have no idea what that means, but I will probably focus on the women after the girls. Not that this project will ever go anywhere.
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>>440560
Interesting.
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>>440564
all of those girls are young depending on the year.
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>>440543
Bellatrix Lestrange
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>>440564
one of the most NSFW cannon things in HP, if you pay attention to details
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>>440569
I'm assuming it's their final year?
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>>440577
Still jailbait.
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>>440564
Every harem thing in existence has one loli. It's basically mandatory.
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>>440582
Sorry guys, it's like the one no-go I have. Is that weird? Not much phases me, but I won't go near loli or guro.

Still, feel free to try and change my mind. Again, don't expect anything from this. The last thing I want to do is get people riled up by promising something.
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>>440592
Only jews hate loli. You wouldn't want to be mistaken for a jew would you?
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>>440592
>but I won't go near loli or guro
>I won't go near consensual, pleasurable sex or literal murder and torture. They are the same in my eyes
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>>440592
I don't blame you. I won't go near furry shit personally. It's just your anti-fetish.
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>>440608
>comparing furries to lolis

What even
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>>440563
Aw shit yeah. Can't wait to get home to try that shit out!
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>>440563
based mo
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>>440582
Well, I know I got 1 person atleast not playing my games.

Was going to post something related to current discussion, but don't want ban.
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apparently akajew expected gold to be out before march, I have a feeling hes waiting for the next patreon wave to go through before he releases it
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>>440491
This is a good idea. Makes setting up for hidden linky clothes much more fun That breast pump idea seems neat too. I'm personally partial to old style dresses from the 19th centery, so more of that is always great
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>>439415
/evn/ general (english visual novels) on /vg/

also ask on art boards, or for this project specifically, /int/ or KC
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>>439586
tfw no qt mulatto to dance with me on carnaval
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hey refugee trainer anon

toss me an email i would be willing to help you make the game

[email protected]
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>>439273

That is so fucking hot.
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>>440543


missing (female) students from the primary year:
Tracy Davis (S)
Millicent Bulstrode (S)
Pansy Parkinson (S)
Su Li (R)
Morag Macdougal (R)
Lisa Turpin (R)
Mandy Brocklehurst (R)
Megan Jones (H)
Leanne Moon (H)


from the year below:
Astoria Greengrass (S)


from the year above:
Alicia Spinnet (G)

other:
Nymphadora Tonks (H)


thats all i remember atm
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>>440746
Well they have to have a photo and be attractive.

Also Tonks. Forgot Tonks. Thanks
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hey everybody is opencanvas on steam a good drawing program? i can't afford photoshop and don't want to give some anon japanese guy my banking info.
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>>440543
Brown girls are the best girls
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Let's play a game guess what akajew's lie going to be this time to delay his non existent game I'm guessing we found a gamebreaking bug and we have to delay it further
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>>440768
Torrent it.
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>>440793

No.
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>>440828
Suck it then. Your choice.
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>>440831

Fuck off cuck.
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>>440563
awesome
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>>440833
>cuck
You keep using that word...
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>>440858
You keep being a cuck
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>>440895
That would require me to actually have a girlfriend.
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>>439213
lots of nipple stuff

piercings, lactation, vibrators, breast pumps, magic nipple manipulation like color and size, hot ghosts and hermiones sucking on them=
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>>440903
These are very good ideas. I'd like to see this too.
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>>440654
He really should have his next project planned out and ready to announce before wrapping on PTG. Like "Ok, PTG will be going out next week, but here's the project I've been setting up next. . .
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>>440833
You are the supreme cuck of cuckistan if you don't torrent Photoshop. Jesus Cuck. Go Fuck yourself. Get Cucked. Cuck on. Cuckelicoo!
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>>440943

this is why nobody makes anything in this general
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>>440943
>using photoshop
To be honest if you do this you're clearly just pretending to be an artist.
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>>440948
I use GIMP when I make Hermiones.

Is that bad?
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>>440951
It's an inferior choice of tool to Photoshop which is an inferior choice to SAI. A skilled craftsman can do incredibly things even with shit tools, but you could do a better job easier with something designed for what you're doing.
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>>440951
/r/ing elizabeth swann/pirate hermione

[spoiler]sluttier is ok[/spoiler]
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>>440977
Uh, let's see what I can do. I just dress up dolls, I don't actually draw.
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>>440547
>>440564
>>440543
She's on the right age, guys! I'd hit her so gently...
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>>440943
Speaking of photoshop, It seems I wont be able to animate on it unless I have $10-$20 a month (which I don't). Apparently Adobe blocks some features on cracked versions such as Blank video layers. I spent 3 hours trying to find a work around. No such luck, back to different methods/
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>>440980
>>440977
Yeah, this is all I could do at such short notice.

She needs a hat and a sword, but I don't have the assets for that.
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>>441005
Have you tried manga studio? It's probably better, and may have animation. I haven't checked.
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>>440943

chickenhawk
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>>441030
Hey pretty good anon! Thanks!
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>>441042
I actually have Clip Studio paint, which is the step before manga studio. No animation programs, Great for illustrations and even better for making comics, but no animation.
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>>441005
I would just TA it all in Photoshop and then composite it in AE or Nuke or windows movie maker or smth
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>>440684
I already sent you a mail.

Also, pic related is a possible path that the character might follow in the game.
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>>441142
lel based
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>>439213
-Tight yoga pants (maybe even cameltoe)
-5th element costume
-Body painted Hufflepuff outfit
-pointy bra with and without a sweater (50s-60s era bra as popularized by marilyn Monroe)
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AKABUR
6 hours ago
I could tell you any number of things, but the only truth I have no means to estimate anything. Testing is still going on. All of the known bugs were eradicated. Waiting for final conformation from the testers...
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>>441197
sauce it, fag.
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>>441204
its a reply on his most recent patreon post
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>>441142
FYROM*
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PT GOLD OUT
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>nearly an entire month to bug test a 3-4 hour game

OH MY GOD
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>>441297
I assume you're referring to Akabur, to which I respond, isn't he notoriously awful at coding?
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>>441244
Lies.


You did get me to look, though, so congrats.
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>>441303
Doesn't help when he leaves all the bug bashing till the end
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Haven't kept up with this general in ages. What's new with Witch/Bitch trainer? Does Akabur have something like PT Gold planned/in the works? Any must-try new mods?
>>
sluts
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>>441297
>nearly an entire month to bug test a 3-4 hour game

Nearly an entire month to keep milking his patreon, you should say.
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>>441462
>nearly

Try a whole year.
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>>441462
Hey! It's a AAAA level game! There cannot be a single bug, a single incomplete scene, or unfinished features in it!
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>>441474
>game
Except it's a mod
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>>441479
it is a game
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>>441487
Princess trainer gold is a mod
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>>441466
Fucking russian jew, the worst.
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>>441502


NO is a game a Princes trainer remake if you preffer
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>>441509
No the difference between a game and a mod is
that a game as you say it would use a new source engine and can be played stand-alone

A mod can't run on it's own
Princess trainer gold is a mod that adds new content to the underlying game
This is also called a partial conversion
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>>441516
To be more exact, two games might use the same engine. But a mod will re-use the existent content, modifying it.
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Does this mean there is netorare going to be in 4houses mod?
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Is there a reason that you guys always make a new thread so quickly? The previous one isn't even dead yet and this one already at the bump limit.
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>>441525


reminder that this is what artguy thinks is a good game-cucksim2000. of course you're going to get cucked in 4houses. he wouldn't be able to get off otherwise.
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>>441540
shitposting is fun for the whole family
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>>441516
Nop

The saves of the original game dont work in gold edition

if gold edition has a mod the old saves sould work correctly in this version

if need a new save game is for the gold edition is because a new version of the game no a mod

is a 2 independient games with the same engine
>>
also you can play completely independently of the previous version

using the same engine does not make independent games mods
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>>441546
This is the most retarded point I have heard in a while
Congratulations

I can't use saves from injustice 1.4 to injustice 1.6
Does that make it a different independent game you fucking idiot
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>>441525
Yes. I'm also making a cuck section with Astoria, Snape, and Draco. Don't worry, you get to be the bull in the Narcissa cuck scene...but not in the way you think!

Coming 2018, 4Houses Platinum will add even more fan requested features!
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>>441543
if artguy promises to put stuff like that in I may have to shill for his dead mod.
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>>441509
What? Princess trainer gold is clearly a mod
>>
>>441564

I guess that depends on whether you count the first PT as an actual game or as a beta. PT:Gold seems like it will be an actual game; previous was full of "Fix this later" bs
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>>441556
>Don't worry, you get to be the bull in the Narcissa cuck scene...but not in the way you think!
I'm thinking about a potion that gives Genie a bull cock. Is that close?
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>>441552


for retarded you MR asshole
>>
Another day another month of akajew stealing money from mentally retarded patrons. Why do they keep giving him money, he already finished the game
>>
>>441618
Same reason people give money to bernie "communism is good" sanders

People hate themselves and willingly believe anything anyone says
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>>440897
Not if your hand is secretly seeing others on the side.
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>>441623
Animated cutscenes in 4 houses confirmed?
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>>441625
Don't see why you'd ask me.
I am just making my demon game.
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>>441622
Fuck you, you rich people bitch. Go sanders! communism is not "good", capitalism suck too. You like working your ass off for some fucking company??? Socialism is bad for the rich, good to the poor, and kind of bad to the middle class. While capitalism is only good to the rich
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>>441608
Super close! Narcissa is the one being cucked!

Hell of a plot twist, right?
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>>441579
This! PTG is a more complete version of PT. Just different version numbers. Also its a 101 on how to make more money without making a completely new game :P
>>
>>441629
Which is why everyone was so happy and well off in the Soviet Union, GDR, ...
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>>441631
So Genie fucks her husband?
>>
I'm fine with cucking in the game as long as it's optional or a route, and that you can also cuck other people, like Snape and his girls, etc.

I mean, public is basically the cuck route anyway.
>>
>>441634
Don't be a fag and discuss politics here. Social Democracy isn't fucking Stalinism, and both of you are arguing idiocy.
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>>441641
Detroit in current year

Also communism is literally the end goal of all socialism
Read a book
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>>441644

social dems aren't socialists, they're modern liberals that no longer give a shit about economics. go take your opinions to pol.
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>>441342
That girl on the right looks like an utter slut. I like her.
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>>441644
Different Anon, but besides the parking costing 15 bucks, what exactly is wrong with that picture?
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>>441654
>a policy that tries to promote socialism isn't actually socialism

Wew I guess I should take your defintion over the one that's written in books since you're obviously about to re-invent the word for all the world to know
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>>441644
Oslo Norway in current year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_pleading
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>>441641
He was arguing in favour of Socialism, not Social Democracy. Read his fucking post, he explicitly says "Socialism".
Also not the same guy as before, so I haven't argued in favour of anything. I just called him out on his "Socialism is good to the poor" bullshit, so fuck you for calling that idiotic.
>>
>>441654
When did Americans start fucking up the definition of liberal that bad? The way Americans use that word has nothing to do with what it actually means and how the rest of the world uses that term.
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>muh socialism
>muh Hernie Panders

Disgusting.
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How did this turn to politics lol
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>>441675

Because leftists continue to redefine themselves because the keep getting unpopular.
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>>441667
Sweden in current year

Also there is a large difference between western countries with socialist policies versus eastern
For example Venezuela is socialist and is currently having a major crisis in food shortage and on the verge of economic collapse
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>>441682
party hard
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>>441685
Actual liberals are far, far from being leftist though and they never were nor ever will be leftist.
Liberals have been at home in the Republican party for a long while.
I really think that average Americans have no fucking idea of what a liberal actually is to begin with.
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>>441682
Because people still believe that the world is 'left' or 'right', when the reality is much more complex.
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>>441692

That's why I didn't call them liberals. Leftists are the one that ruin it, not actual liberals. Liberals are alright, leftists are the SJW tier cancer. They call themselves progressives now, because obviously they view their ideology as progress.
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>>441644
No it isn't lol
Socialism is everything belongs to the government and they decide who gets what, it's a pretty general concept
Communism is everything belongs to the working class because they make everything and then everyone else joins the working class, it's a very specific ideology
Attempts at the latter have generally resulted in the former in the best of cases, not the other way around
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>>441697
I didn't read your post as saying that leftists simply called themselves liberals without ever being liberals, but I got it now.
A liberal or libertarian approach to things is actually the only one that makes any sense to me. Too bad there is no party to vote for if you have those views (both here and in the US).
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>>441707
Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of the new society. Communism is a further development or "higher stage" of socialism.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds (socialism). From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs (communism).

The socialist principle of distribution according to deeds— that is, for quality and quantity of work performed, is immediately possible and practical. On the other hand, the communist principle of distribution according to needs is not immediately possible and practical—it is an ultimate goal.

Again look at case studies or do more fact checking then none at all
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>>441712
Communism says nothing about centralised planning. Have you read Marx?
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>>441719
In the guy's defense, communism is a mess.
There's at least 3 versions of communism that have officially been recognized at one point or another.
The whole "central planning" comes from the period when the Soviet Union got really keen on Thomas Moore's Utopia.
[spoiler]And who wouldn't Golden Lavatories sound pretty snazzy.[/spoiler]
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>>441719
Come on man, like if you have trouble thinking at least use google to plan out your thoughts

Writing whatever pops into your head makes you look foolish
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>>441711
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>>441729
I am aware that people tend to associate Communism with central planning, but they also call the Soviet Union a Communist country, which is simply retarded.
Communism can involve central planning, but that's not the original idea and it does not have to involve central planning either.
To restate that question: Have you read Marx?

>>441728
While that is true, he is still horribly wrong in stating it in this general fashion.
Communism itself doesn't necessarily say anything about central planning.
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>>441712
Communism was not envisioned as following the kind of socialism espoused by most modern Western nation-states, which is what we're talking about. Honestly, this whole discussion is severely suffering from a serious lack of definition.
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>>441743
>soviet union isn't communist

It's over
The dumbest statement ever written has been made
Australian posters can all go home
They can't possibly beat this

>>441747
>no true scotsman
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>>441734
Do your homework Billy
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>>441749
There has never been an actual communist state at any point in history. There likely never will be one.
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>>441750
*Joel
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WT:Silver 1.05

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
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Exception: Style '__setstate__' does not exist.

This happens if I change Hermione's hair/outfit and save the game. If I try to then load that save... above error. Been like this ever since the overhaul to the inventory system. I thought it was just a problem with mashing together stable and github code, but I guess not.
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>>441752
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>>441758
Thank you I was looking exactly for that pic
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>>441752
Don't bother arguing with them.
They're probably stupid enough to think america is a democracy.
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>>441749
The Soviet Union was a Socialist country, not Communist.
It's not exactly my fault Americans are too damn retarded to know the difference and simply calling it Communism.
You have absolutely no idea about what Communism actually is and are just spewing the shit you saw on TV, huh?

>>441758
Communism has been tried, but never been achieved.
I do agree that Communism is a bad idea, but not even one of those countries match what Communism actually is.
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>>441749
The socialist mode of production described by Marx and democratic socialism as practiced today are pretty fucking far from each other, dude.
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>>441765
No you fuck
it wasn't socialist
It was known as Vanguardism which was then used as a Communist-inspired state and gave Communist parties a leading role

It then made provision that was interpreted to either ban other parties altogether or force them to accept the Communists' guaranteed right to rule as a condition of being allowed to exist

Why are all these arguments so fucking cringe-worthy
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>>441763
>>441765
>>441767
(you)
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>>441778
If I say it wasn't Communism it wasn't Communism, I know what I'm talking about. Read Marx already.
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>>441758
>tfw I have a copy of the first edition of "Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung" (Was given to one of my grandparents by a Chinese diplomat during a meeting.)
>It actually comes with a print out of the Foreword for the second edition, written by Lin Pao (who later got assassinated on Mao Tse-Tung's order
>tfw it reads and I quote:
"Comrade Mao Tse-tung is the greatest Marxist-Leninist of our era. He has inherited, defended and developed Marxism-Leninism with genius, creatively and comprehensively and has brought it to a higher and completely new stage.
Mao Tsetung's thought is Marxism-Leninism of the Era in which imperialism is heading for total collapse and *socialism* is advancing to world-wide victory.[...]"
Infact, just for you, I breezed through the whole foreword, and there is no mention of communism anywhere.

I don't even agree with anything in this book, but it looks nice (has a very handsome photo of glorious leader on the inside) and hey, it was good for calling your bullshit!

Feel free to look it up too! The second edition from which the foreword is was released in December 16, 1966.
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>>441767
>democratic socialism is different than socialism

Kek
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>>441785
>it wasn't communism because I said so

AHAH
AHAHAHAHAA
AHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHA

holy fuck
Saved that one for later
Thanks man
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>>441785
>>441789
(YOU)
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>>441752
It's good that someone understands. There are three primary forms of government that exist in modern history. Republics, Oligarchies, and Dictatorships. Those that claim otherwise are simply that, claims.

It's incredibly sad that civics, politics, and history aren't really taught in school anymore.
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>>441753
Sam

Uncle Sam
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>>441789
First: Mao was chairman of the communist party.
Second: there's no second.
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Can we get back to fapping and less arguing about politics?
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>>441810
Did you see that line about how "socialism is advancing to world-wide victory"?
That victory is after which point communism would have been a thing according to "the plan".

There is a communist party in America aswell, hell probably a lot of them.
Doesn't mean that if by some miracle they somehow managed to get elected all of a sudden America would be a communist country.

You can't completely restructure the economic and political system that quickly.
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>>441819
Thread is on page 6
It's time for the weekly off topic
And man oh man Am I glad to have it

>mao wasn't communist
>it's not communist because I said so
>Democratic socialism isn't socialism

Things like these is what makes me happy that I live in modern day society that I can witness these fallacies
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>>441826
Are you even serious right now, because I can't tell anymore. Mao was a communist, he tried to enact communism, you can't just claim it wasn't really communism because it turned everything to shit, that's just what communism does.
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>>441828
Point of that quote wasn't that Mao wasn't communist.

The point was that if you asked him what he was practicing, he wouldn't say communism.
He did in fact call it socialism.
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>>441826
>it's not communism because it didn't work

WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING!?

"Mao became a leading figure in the Communist Party of China (CPC) after its foundation in 1921."
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>>441841
He was the leader of the communist party! That's one person we can safely say was a communist!
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>>441841

If, by your definition of Catholicism, no pope has ever been catholic, your definition of Catholicism is pointless.

If, by your definition of Communism, not a single one of the greatest communist leaders was a communist, your definition of Communism is pointless.
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Trotsky was a jew and spread communism which killed hundreds of millions

Hitler killed jews and communists and didn't kill hundreds of millions

he was the good guy all along
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>>441781
Do you actually read what other people write?
Communism is a bunch of bullshit, since it is impossible to achieve, going against the very nature of humans.
Americans calling everything left and right Communism doesn't magically make it Communism though.
Just like Americans call liberal what has nothing to do with liberalism and never did have anything to do with it either.

>>441785
Wow, you even got your (You), didn't think anyone would be retarded enough for that.

>>441798
>>441828
It's not Communism because it has hardly anything to do with the bullshit that Communism is.
Fucking American retards keep calling shit Communism, but that doesn't make it right.
Actually read up on the political manifestos or philosophical debates talking about Communism.

>>441836
>>441842
>>441847
They tried to create a Communist country.
The first step on their way to that was to create a Socialist country.
They never even got to the actual Communism part.
They were doomed to fail anyway, because Communism does not work and never will work. It's a utopian idea, which has caused nothing but shit by people being too dumb to understand it's not possible to make it real without changing everything about human nature first.
You simply can't achieve Communism and I am quite glad for it, as the idea itself sounds horrible to me already. One man's utopia is another man's hell, or so it seems.
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>>441841
SOMEONE TELL THE BBC
BURN ALL HISTORY BOOKS RIGHT FUCKING NOW

ANON SAID MAO ISN'T COMMUNIST
>But sir everything here says he was
ARE YOU A TIN FOIL HAT RETARD, DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE IN """"""HISTORY"""""" and """"""BOOKS"""""""
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There sure is a lot of dumb in this thread.
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>>441870
This may be the first time I have to drop a conversation becajse the other guy is a legitimate retard.
This is honestly too dumb to be trolling.
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>>441790
Colors have different shades. Not everything is black and white. Of course democratic socialism is still socialism, but it's not considered to be a historical stage in the transition from capitalism to communism. Marx doesn't get to define all types of socialism just because he added to the discussion. Fuck, communism isn't even as old as socialism. A lot of socialists throughout history would be terrified by the notion of society being dictated by the working class!
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>>441802
>There are three primary forms of government that exist in modern history. Republics, Oligarchies, and Dictatorships. Those that claim otherwise are simply that, claims.

Then why do so many countries have completely different names for their governments?
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>>441842
>>441847
>>441860
It's amazing how you people can't separate the end goal of a government party from the government itself.

There's a difference between building a house and living in it.
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>>441841
>if you asked him what he was practicing, he would say his job was being THE FUCKING CHARIMAN OF THE COMMUNIST PARTY!
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>>441860
Not everything has to have actual manifestations in the real world.
The definition of Communism is only useful for political debate and thought experiments.
There is plenty of other names out there used to call the political system of these countries, but Americans just lump it all together and call it Communism for some odd reason.
Over here that only happens outside of schools, universities and such, places where people can't afford to not make the distinction.
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>>441897
So do we not live in a democracy because it's not really a TRUE democracy if we think about it
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>>441870
You know
I always assumed everyone in /stg/ was just a troll and everything is satire
But this is honestly the first time seeing something that's off topic and realizing
>what if it wasn't actually satire
If this is real
(and chances are it is, because even the best troll can't come up with this level of logical fallacy)
Then /stg/ might actually be
The dumbest general on 4chan
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>>441894
Words have meaning.
Names have power.
Nobody wants to hear the truth and be told they are meaningless and live only as a cog in an oligarchy.
Did you never read 1984 in high school?
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>>441905

>call it Communism for some odd reason.

They call it Communism because that's the name used by the very same people that enacted it. It wasn't the americans that called the Chinese Communist Party a communist party. It was the Chinese Communist Party.

That's your odd reason right there.
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>>441925
It's a terrible feeling, isn't it?
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>>441927
The chinese communist party called itself the Chinese Communist Party.

And they called what they practiced socialism as evident by their personal little bible.

But that doesn't count because you say it doesn't.
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>>441933
>they called it communism
>nah but it was actually socialism despite THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES calling it communism AND KILLING ANYONE WHO DIDN'T AGREE

I GUESS CALLING SOMETHING BY IT'S DEFINITION DOESN'T COUNT EITHER BECAUSE OF """"""""""""""""MY OPINION"""""""""
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>>441933

>the chess club doesn't play chess, because they always talk about matches, not about chess games

Anon, please, the others are right: you must be a troll, otherwise this is too sad to even contemplate.
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>>441925
So you don't have a point and simply resort to ad hominem. Classic.

>>441927
Having a Communist party rule doesn't automatically make your country Communist.
Their goal was Communism, but they never got there because you can't.
Working to establish Communism and actually being a Communist country are two different things.
The GDR admitted they were Socialists, the Chinese admitted they were Socialists. The USSR even has it in it's name that they were Socialists (as does the GDR).
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>>441926
I guess you have a point, and no I didn't.
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>>441945
Do you even read? They called it socialism.
Do I need to quote the good book at you again? >>441789

You know that saying? "Practice what you preach?"
One of the problems was that they didn't do that.
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>>441950
If "real communism" cannever be achieved, the distinction is meaningless, being a communist and trying to reach "real communism" is the only communism we'll ever get and we know that always ends in horrible tiranny, what is even your point here?
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>the communist forces of a communist party create a communist government
>by they also called it socialism!
This can't be real
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>>441686

They have the Bank of Montreal in Sweden?
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>>441979
You see, they are very into open borders
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>Things aren't things because some anon says their not 80 years later

WAKE ME UP

CAN'T WAKE UP
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>>441986
>their
You sure showed me, kiddo.
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>>441949
Look, I'm done with this nonsense.

I think we both agree they were bullshit governments whatever they were, so let me just say this:

If them saying that what they practice is socialism does not count, because they're just spewing nonsense to make what they do seem better than what it is or some other reason.
Then why does them calling themselves a "communist party" validate them as communists when really all they were doing is the same as when your run of the mill dictator declares himself a just, honourable and democratic leader?
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>>441963
The distinction is important when it comes to political theory.
I do agree with the rest though. Dictatorships saying they want to achieve Communism is the only thing we'll ever get and all of them are/were horrible. Not one of them was a Communist country though. They themselves even call it Socialism, as you can easily see in the name of both GDR and USSR. North Korea's constitution also calls it a Socialist country and they even got rid off all mentions of Communism in it as of 2009.

>>441973
>Communist forces of a Communist party aim to create a Communist government
>call it Socialism and never claim they ever achieved Communism
>But it's Communism, you don't even know your own ideology or your own country!
Seriously?
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>>441998
Why does calling america a democracy count when the main votes from delegates and super pacts

Well I guess that means America isn't a democracy either

Anyone want to make up a new word for it?

Let's start calling the american political party
>OBAMANIMSIM
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>>441998
>Look, I'm done with this nonsense.
Yes, please, just stop this. By now it's just painful to watch.
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>>441958
In the first chapter
AS the first quotation
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Mao pretty much just used "communism" to rile up the peasants into killing japs and other chinks so he could rule China. After he won, he didn't want to turn control over to a bunch of dirty, stupid peasants, so he practiced socialism while already calling himself a communist. Then he tried to create a working class so he could fit into the Marxist model and ended up being responsible for the largest famine in history. When people started bitching (because he let them), he started killing everyone who knew the real difference between communism and what he was actually doing. Now they're not even trying; they're authoritarian capitalists who call themselves communists to keep the people from thinking about new ways of life.
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>>442003
You should stop too man. These are binary people we're arguing.

Come back in a month when something gives an update on when it will give an update.
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>>442018
That's just their name not the name of what they did, can you even read?
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>>442020
He fit the 3 tenets of communism

The terms communism or communist can refer to several related things:

1.The sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society.

2.The economic system which intends controlled economy by government.

3.The political ideology which sometimes has resulted in totalitarianism by oligarchy led by one-party.

Saying it wasn't because it failed didn't make it "not communism"
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>>441629
>Socialism is bad for the rich, good to the poor
come live down here and sai tat after a year, every latin america country keeps choosing socialism and fail miserably every time
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>>442006
It is actually a representative democracy.
You are thinking of a direct democracy. Those existed, but they are simply not feasible anymore.
The USA is simply taking the representative part a bit further. The system is bad, but still a democracy. The only basis on which you could contest calling it a democracy is someone being able to win an election despite losing the public vote.
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>>442018
They even call it "Marxism-Leninism" in that quote.
Are you literally retarded and unable to read?
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>>442034
>The only basis on which you could contest calling it a democracy is someone being able to win an election despite losing the public vote.
>HURF DURF IF WE STOP DRUMF WE ARE NOT A DEMOCRAY ANYMORE!
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>>442028
It's stated right there in the book their basis was on marxism-leninism which was was the official ideology of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union

What the fuck are you reading?
Do you know how to read?
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>>442034
NOT A PURE DEMOCRACY
IT CAN'T BE CALLED A DEMOCRACY BECAUSE IT'S BAD
MAO WAS ACTUALLY A DEMOCRAT
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>>442040
>Implying you can't look at that picture as a political statement
The reds deep throat you, the others perform various degrees of blue balling you.
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>>442043
Marxism-leninism has nothing to do with Communism though.
Seriously, read a book.
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>>442029
>1.The sociopolitical movement that aims for a classless and stateless society.
You seriously want to claim that fits?
By creating one huge political party having a tight grip of the country with thousands of delegates at their meetings?
By creating a ruling class comprising of politicians dependent on one leader?
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>>442049
>inb4 "What the fuck? Of course it does you moron! My minimum wage western born and educated high school teacher told me so!"
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>>442045
>>442042
I know this is shitposting, but you aren't exactly equipped to understand the concept of democracy as it seems.
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>>442056

Was Vietnam communist or not?
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>>442049
What?
Again im actually asking
DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ WORDS ON PAPER?
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>>442059
>wikipedia
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>>442059
Do you?
First sentence:
"Seeks to establish socialist states and develop them further"
Literally what the guy's been telling you.

(Also: >wikipedia)
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>this garbage offtopic thread
>100+ posts about fucking communism
This general has completely overstayed its usefulness.

I eagerly await a mod's reasoning why this trash thread isn't autob&.
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>>442064
>>442065

Here is the literal dictionary of that theory
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>>442064
>>442065
ANOTHER ONE
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>>442067
it's okay Tropic is a mod
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>>442043
The same Soviet Union calling itself Socialist all along maybe?

>>442049
I wouldn't say nothing, as one of its roots are Marx's works on Communism. It's still a form of Socialism though.

>>442057
You mean the Socialist Republic of Vietnam?
They are and were Socialists, hence the name.

>>442059
>posts this
>just further proof for the guy he is debating

>>442069
>>442073
The Marxist roots are Communism.
Lenin modified it. The result was Socialism.
That concept is really not too hard to grasp.
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Communism is retardedly bad because corruption will always be rampant without someone to keep things in check, because humans are greedy fucks that abuse every opportunity.

Socialism, likewise, has similar problems, however, with a state to govern everyone you could potentially evade these issues. It's impossible though, because the state is just as likely to be corrupt.

The only reason you would like socialism is:
1. You are an immigrant shit
2. You are an autistic retard like me
3. You are in a position of power
4. Impossible scenarios

Notice how all these reasons are primarily for self-benefit. The impossible scenario I think of is that where every member of society puts the will of their society and people on par and beyond the will of themself, with a sole justiciar as head of state keeping everything in order and advancing the nation. This is impossible.
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>>442069
There's a word in there:
"Eventually".
Even the dictionary states that the Communist Party's goal is to work towards Communism, not to practice it.
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>>442064
>>442065
>>442077
ANOTHER ONE
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>>442064
>>442065
>>442077
A N O T H E R
O N E
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>>442075
He must be because this fucking trash thread is still up despite nothing but offtopic bullshit that even >>>/trash/ would throw out.

I'd report the thread, but I know that there's at least one janitor or moderator that picks this garbage general as a favorite. So all reports would be ignored as they have previously.

Funny how no other thread on /aco/ could go over 100 posts off topic. Only this shit thread.
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>>442064
>>442065
>>442077

A
N
O
T
H
E
R

O
N
E
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Will someone explain to me why there's a shitstorm going on? When I went to class all was calm and now everyone is freaking out.
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>>442064
>>442065
>>442077
ANOTHER ONE
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>>442094

You're seriously butthurt. We're slowly falling off the board and us arguing like this keeps us from making a new thread. It literally had zero impact.
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>>442106
Politics got involved and then communism v socialism v trumpism v democracy v Idek man. I'm not reading any of it, Im just sitting here animating.
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>>442113
There's no reason to make a new thread until this one reaches page 9 or 10, which won't be for quite a while.
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>>442113
The last thread just died an hour ago, it would be fucking stupid to create a new one now.
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>>442121
>>442126

I know, I'm saying that us arguing like this has zero impact on the board so there would be no reason to delete the thread.

We're not even that offtopic because Allah Ackbar is literally worse then Hitler.
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>>442091
In this quote of yours it's established that
a) In Marxism-Leninism there exist classes
b) That they should try to establish Communism
c) That in communism, there are no classes
While b directly states that the two are not the same, you may need to use your noggin a bit to see how a and c together also establish this fact.
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>>442113
Do the midgetfucker threads run over 150 posts with no content other than shitposting? How bout the diaperfaggot threads? Or those godawful vore threads?

No, as bad as the rest of the threads are on /aco/ at least they can produce a modicum of ontopic content.

/stg/ is the only thread on all of /aco/ that is allowed to go this far off topic with no consequences. This thread should be deleted. And until there's actual content to post, it should stay deleted.

>b-but muh PTG and amateur vaporware!
It should stay deleted.
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>>442110
Quote calls Maxism-Leninism a means of transformation.
Into what you may ask? Into communism!
Marxism-Leninism is as much not communism as an asteroid is not a crater.
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>>442029
I don't really give a shit what you call it. If it makes you feel better to think of Mao's policies as the socialist part of communism, fine. Maybe that's entirely correct, but since we can't ask Mao, who probably changed his mind several times over the course of his life, we can only look at what he did. He practiced the socialist part of communism and ultimately failed to reach the final stage of communism. I was just making the history clear in a sea of bullshit.

>>442094
I blame tropic. Goodness knows when he decided to start namefagging.

>>442106
Someone made an akajew joke
Funposter responded with socialism is good
Retard mentioned countries where socialism not so good
Bernie came up, /pol/ went on alert
Then some dickless piece of shit said something so wildly incorrect that it triggered a few people who took a polisci class
Then those people triggered /pol/ and shit hit the fan

Phew, last time it was this bad was Susan's pelvis or whatever, I think

>>442139
It would just go back to /vg/
The ride never ends
We both know you only want /stg/ to die so you can get off
But you should know better
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>>442110
You get triggered even easier than I ever thought possible.
Have some more "furry" content.
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>>442144
>Phew, last time it was this bad was Susan's pelvis or whatever, I think
Wasn't there a pedo shitstorm recently that was just as large and pointless?
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>>442136
I can call a shark a dolphin but when the shark bites my ass it's still a shark

ALSO
ANOTHER ONE
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Lucky you, a dolphin would have raped your ass.
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>Capitalism is the same as socialism, Marxism and communism because it's a step in the process whose end goal is communism

t. /stg/
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>>442150
Actually read 8, you dumb fucker.
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>>442148
Not as bad as this or then I'd say
I guess there was the legality affair though
That was pretty goddamn bad, the worst even
The loli spat comes up every so often, that's the worst it's gotten but still there's not much fuel there
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>>442150
Nice quote, but the question isn't what communism is, it's what Marxism-Leninism is.
The 8th point simply states that Lenin made something new of it, which isn't communism itself, since point 1 already states that communism is the ideas of Karl Marx, and it very well cannot be factually both his ideas, and not his ideas, so at most, this is an informal definition.

Seriously dude, I respect you for the work you put into your game but you need to stop acting like any of this shit proves that the two are the same.
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>>442168
>added to the communist idea

Maybe you should read
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>>442174
If an egg exists is it not a chicken egg does it not become a chicken
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>>442186
Did you mean
>If an egg exists and it is a chicken egg, does it not become a chicken?
To which my answer is: Yes, you're very much right! It will (or rather is supposed to) become a chicken.
But it's not a chicken yet. You can't make an omlette out of a chicken. you can't paint a chicken and tell little neighbourhood kids to go find it.
And you can't have an egg die of starvation just because you didn't throw seeds in front of its face.

It's supposed to become a chicken, yes.
That doesn't mean it's already everything that a chicken is, nor that a chicken is everything an egg is.
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>>442184
I'd play this game.
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>>442191
If the egg became socialism then sure you're right, but the egg becomes communism then is it not a communist egg
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>>442202
What if I told you, that I thought you were saying that the egg is Marxism-Leninism, and the chicken is communism?

>inb4 "go home to 2004 Morph"
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>>442176
You quoted wrong.
Also
>Lenin changed Marx's ideas
Those ideas were Communism. He changed them, thus creating Socialism.
It also directly states that the dictatorial state was merely a step on the way to Communism.
Also quite telling that both states formed under Lenin's party, the SFSR and USSR have in their name that they are Socialist states, not Communist states.
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>>442209
Fundamentally Marxism-lenisim is in fact communism since it has almost all of the same theories as pure communism
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>>442220
Yes, the foundations are the same.
The genes in the egg and the genes in the chicken are the same as well.
However, they are still very much different.
A lot of things can and do go wrong with eggs, in fact, some poor eggs don't even manage to get the full set of genes and end up being omelettes as a result.

It actually works very nicely as a metaphor.
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>>442220
>almost all of the same theories
Hence the distinction.
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>>442226
But if the end goal is socialism then the egg would be a socialist egg

But the end goal is communism so the egg is essentially a communist egg
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>>442213
Except Marx created socialism
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>>442235
No but that's what I'm saying, Marxism-Leninism is not a type of egg. It IS the egg itself, while it is communism that comes out when it cracks.
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>>442241
The communist chicken laid it
So the egg even while an egg is still a communist chicken egg
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>>442239
Sure, you could say that it was technically Engels creating Communism. Marx is most commonly credited with it though as he continued to write fundamental works of it.
But Marx and Engels together definitely created Communism, thus laying the foundation for Socialism.
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>>442250
Bit saying socialism is not in off itself communism
Is Fucking stupid which is why this entire argument even started
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>>442248
It may be the egg of a Communist chicken, and Communism is the result when it hatches, but it never does.
Claiming Socialism is Communism is claiming an egg is a chicken.
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>>442267
The chicken was fed seed and grain and it's goal is to make another chicken to eat seed and grain
It becomes two sides of the same coin
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>>442239
Neither of them "created" socialism
Socialist philosophies existed for decades before Manifesto was published
Communism was first influenced by socialism, not the other way around
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>>442282
I think we're going a bit too deep into the real world roots of this metaphor.

That being said, all thrusters go:
If you think about it, that chicken had to evolve from something.
As the question goes: What came first, the Chicken or the Egg?
Since Chickens haven't existed for all time, there had to be a predecesor species, and one off those species laid the world's first egg which would scientifically count as a chicken, instead of said predecesor species.
So in effect, it's perfectly possible that whoever laid the egg was not a chicken, and yet it would hatch a chicken.
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All communism needs socialism
Not all socialism need a communism
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>>442266
Socialism isn't the same thing as Communism though. They differ in some important ideas.
Communism and a dictatorship are mutually exclusive. Socialism establishes some form of dictatorship (be it of a party, a small group or one person).

>>442282
I thought the analogy was flawed to begin with, but now I am not even sure I see where you are going with this.
It is true that (almost?) all Socialist countries aim(ed) to become a Communist country, but that doesn't make them a Communist country just yet.
If I intend to create a democracy and for that purpose install a military dictatorship, does that make the military dictatorship a democracy?
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>>442314
No it becomes a military dictatorship

But you can't do that because the breaks the fundamentals of what makes a democracy
A chicken egg can't become anything but a chicken
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>>442324
>But you can't do that because the breaks the fundamentals of what makes a democracy
Why can't he do that?

>Country is broken up by various warring or at the very least constantly disagreeing factions
>Creates millitary dictatorship that unites a large portion of the millitary to keep those factions in check, until an agreement for a proper joint government can be made and the means to practice democracy (which isn't easy, starting with the voting) can be established

You can't just up and declare you want a democratic system when everyone else in power just wants to have their own personal autocracy.
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What about strange women lying in ponds distributing swords? This is the form of government I prefer.

Also... wtf does any of this have to do with silly cartoon sex games?
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>>442341
You can't advocate one thing and do another in reality

Mao said he wanted communism in order to do that he made communistic policies calling it socialism is wrong because he used communist theories to achieve his end goal

You can't kill people then say
>people please vote for more
It won't work in reality
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>>442324
And Socialism breaks the fundamentals of what makes Communism.
Communism and a strong state are mutually exclusive, but a strong state is a requirement for Socialism.
Yes, the goal of Socialist states is Communism.
Your problem is simply that your egg never hatches and thus never actually becomes a chicken, yet you are adamant about calling that egg a chicken.

>>442360
Mao said his goal was Communism.
Mao established a Socialist country with Socialist ideas and even called it a Socialist country.
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>>442360
Have you heard of the United States of America?
That entire period before they had the Constitution?

It wasn't a democracy for some time yet after the declaration of Independence.
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>>442368
But if you do communist theories like the whole "red army" to get to power then practice socialism then it can't be a socialist country since it was built on communism unless the two are mutually exclusive
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>>442370
The united states isn't a democracy
It's a republic
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>>442413

Democratic Republic.

Big difference.

Question is, what is the EU.

>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""democratic""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" """""""""""""""""""""""""""elections""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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>>442413
It is a federal republic.
A federal republic is built on democratic policies.

Federal Republic is not the same as a Republic.
(Same way Marxism-Leninism isn't the same as Communism)

>>442399
An army which wants something and destroys a government that is something, doesn't automatically achieves a government that is what they wanted.

Look at French Revolution. At no point did that become anything similar to a republic or a democracy though that's what they fought for.
Or at least no part off it with power did.
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>>442424
The main goal was to abolish monarchies which they did
And France is now a Republic which was one of the points they wanted

I don't see your point, sorry
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>>442419
>what is the EU

A failed experiment
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Australia = best country.
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>>442399
So you are saying all that matters is what you wanted to achieve and it doesn't matter what you actually achieved.
By that logic my military dictatorship is a democracy, if I hold democratic views and aim to establish a democracy.

>>442438
They wanted to create a republic though and failed.
The French Revolution only led to tyranny.
That France is now a republic has nothing to do with his point.
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>>442447
Australia = shitpost
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>>442450
>Captured all of china with communism
>Tried to set up a semi-socialist government
>"He was totally socialist not communism at all what are you talking about"

Also how can you hold dictatorship views and then establish a democracy
it's two completely different things
You can't flip a switch and say
>hey im a democracy now
It simply doesn't work that way
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>>442413
Some people say democratic republic
Some people say representative democracy
The difference is semantics
Technically, it's a federal presidential constitutional republic
In practice, it's currently an oligarchy

>>442424
The First Republic was, for all its flaws and lack of real democracy, still a republic until Napoleon began his rise to power.
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Either way both socialism and communism is bad for western countries and will never be properly done due to human incompetence

Also bernie lost all 5 states to hilary and trump is 4/5 with kasich winning his home state Ohio

Today was a good day and for all the shit this wasn't that bad of a thread
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>>442447
>police state
>good
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>>442456
You mean like Socialism and Communism are different?
Did you actually read Mao's bible stating they are Socialists? It was even posted earlier in this thread.
Mao was a Communist, but that doesn't automatically make his state a Communist state. He did set up a Socialist state and called it a Socialist state. He did aim to turn it into a Communist state though, but that doesn't make it a Communist state either.

You are aware that some countries actually had the military overthrow a government to establish a military dictatorship in order to turn the country into a democratic one?
I didn't come up with the idea.
You are also doing the exact same thing as what you criticise me for. You can't flip a switch and say you are a Communist state either when you actually are Socialist.
But they didn't do that. They called it a Socialist state and it was a Socialist state.
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>>442458
>The First Republic was, for all its flaws and lack of real democracy, still a republic until Napoleon began his rise to power.
Considering it existed for at most 12 years, under which it had a minimum of 3 separate governments, I would believe it is safe to say that "The First Republic" existed as an entity about as much as Ancient Egypt.
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What the fuck? Who triggered stg? Why is the thread being derailed by communism?
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>>442476
Mao can say whatever he wants
The ways he created the SEMI-socialist state was through communism and then when he got into power he said "well I can't keep doing this it's bad for business, lets start off by making this a socialist state then turning it into communism, Oops im already dead too late"

I can shit in a bucket and call it a socialist shit but if my butt was communism then communism made the socialist dump
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>>442484
Why is the anything derailed by communism?
BECAUSE THE PROLETARIAT WILL RISE AGAIN COMRADE!
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>>442488
>was through communism
What does this mean?
What the hell does this even mean?

How did he create his state through communism?
Because that's the story he fed to his supporters?
You do realize every fucking dictator who rose to power through might and not by being born into the line has infact gotten to power by lying to people about what they can expect.
That doesn't make their countries anywhere close to democratic, communist, socialist or anything else the dictator promised.

Are you for fucking real mate?
Are you havin' a giggle there?
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>>442488
>i can shit in a bucket
>and call it a socialist shit
>but if my butt was communism
>then communism made the dump

This needs to be in a history book
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>>442488
They aimed to create a Communist state.
They planned to do so by first establishing a Socialist state (Marxist-Leninist ideology).
They did establish a Socialist state exactly as they planned.
They simply failed to turn it into a Communist state.
The plan was to first create a Socialist state all along.
And now you are saying it was never a Socialist state? What even gave you that idea in the first place?
Or do you just happen to shitpost and bait people? In that case you got me.
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>>442473
Better a communist than a Republican

>>442482
True enough, but if you're going to put a term to the system of government that existed in one form or another during that time, it should be "republic"
Unless you wanted to call it a failed state I guess, though that's not entirely accurate either
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>>442501
>>442505
He used communist agenda
and communist support
To create the People’s Republic of China which was ultimately socialist but tried to become communist
It did not become communist because of various reasons
Does that not make it a republic built on communism?
Was it not a communist regime?
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>>442513
>better a communist
>than a republican

Tell that to venezuela
Maybe they'll agree with you
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>>442515
>Was it not a communist regime?
It was a Communist regime only in that they held a Communist ideology, but that doesn't make it a Communist country, only a country run by Communists.
You even said yourself the country never became Communist.
And the country was built on Socialist ideas, as creating a Socialist country in order to establish a Communist one is a Socialist idea.
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>>442528
That's the fundamental disconnect we have at this point
You can believe that a country run by communists is socialist
I believe that a country run by communism is a communist country

Most historians that write books agree with me
/int/ and other lefty websites agree with you

Nothing else I can say will change that idea that you have
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>>442515
Look, I see what you mean, but no, that doesn't make it a communist regime, it makes it a communist driven regime.

It can only be called a communist state, if it functions like a communist state. It can be a state of communists if its a state full of communists, but it's still not a communist states if they don't operate a communist system in the state.

For example:
America was founded on the idea that all men are created equal and that everyone should be free to pursue happiness.

That doesn't mean that people in america are actually created-, are tread as if they were created- or even believe that they were created- equal. Nor does it give free reign for people to pursue happiness if said happiness is incompatible with "the greater good", see McCarthyism.

Training to be an olypmic champion doesn't make you an olympic champion. (Even though it does in your grandmammy's eyes, she is very proud sonny boy.)
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>>442525
Better being dead than being a Republican in the 21° century.
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What the fuck! I can here to hope for a day when ! get to fap to a mod to a game, not to learn about politics!
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>MODS
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Read this fucking thread, I dare you.

This is the "Adult Cartoon" board, just as a reminder.
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>>442543
>Not faping to politics
What is wrong with you?
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>>442539
Please kill yourself then
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>>442545
And this is a thread that reached bump limit long before any of this shit started.
It's not like this is making new threads pop up faster and this one go down quicker.
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Holy fuck. Go see Zootopia with the family and come back to a discussion on the semantics of achieving the communist ideal vs the practical reality of socialism as a stepping stone toward a need based distribution system.

I'm not even mad, either. This is some good shit. Keep these witty bants coming, boys. It's like C-Span meets a special needs school.
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>>442545
We have a new thread at 9 as per usual who gives a shit
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>>442538
But he still instituted many communistic polices as well like the Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution

Maosims central idea was permanent revolution and stressing the importance of the peasantry, of small-scale industry, and of agricultural collectivization.

Socialism does not follow those tenants
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>>442563
>practical reality of socialism
The reality is that it's impractical.
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>>442565
You're right, Socialism in general does not, but neither does a Republic neccessarily work off of democratic principles, and yet America, a Federal Republic does, because a Federal Republic is built with democracy in mind.

Maoism is a different kind of Socialism that diverts in Mao's own vision from western Socialism, just the same way that today's Socialism isn't quite the same as Marxism-Leninism.
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>>442563
>having a family
>seeing zootopia

Absolutely disgusting

>>442565
CR wasn't really a communistic policy
Just good old-fashioned totalitarianism
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>>442569
Senpai, I went to college for engineering and didn't graduate. Political Science is so far outside my wheelhouse that I don't even have an opinion on this shit. I don't care about the impracticality of communism, socialism or true democracy. All that shit matters not at all to me.

I go to work, get paid, write a little, jack off and take whatever pills I have to take to ensure that I can continue to do the same until society breaks down or I end my suffering prematurely.
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>>442592
>Entire point of the comment is that Maoism isn't Socialism just something similar to it
>"Dude what, why are you saying that they are the same?"
You need more coffee man.
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>>442591
You should try arguing about Jews sometime, it's a fun pasttime activity until it stops being fun, at which point quitting is easy.
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>>441142
>going through srbija
I can't imagine that's safe for a muslim to do.
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>>442582
It's honestly more closely related to communism then it is to socialism

Also it's not comparable at all to America and I don't see how those two relate
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>>442536
>Most historians that write books agree with me
Yeah, I sincerely doubt it.
It wasn't a country run by Communism, it was merely a country run by Communists.
Claiming that makes the country Communist is like claiming a dictatorship run by a democrat automatically makes it a democracy.
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>>441874
>BBC reliable at all
I mean you're right but you're still an idiot.
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>>442598
Still safer than Italy: in the last year something like 5000 women and children disappeared while moving through the country.
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>>442599
I'm not comparing Maoism to Federal Republics in the sense that they are similar, I'm comparing the two because they both are in essence a different form of government (Socialism for Maoism, Republics for Federal Republics), but are different enough that if you're having anything more than an informal discussion, then the distinction could and should be made.

And I'm not sure what Maoism is closer to, Socialism or Communism, but the point is, it's not exactly either.
Personally I'd say it's "closer" to Socialsm, but for one I didn't/don't live in it so it's difficult to truly judge from the outside, and for another, every single government is in some ways different from the simplistic idea of what their title suggests, so that also makes it a bit wobbly.
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>>442610
They probably just found nice local villages to settle down in.
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>>442607
AGAIN WITH THIS DICTATORSHIP/DEMOCRACY OXYMORON

THEY'RE LITERALLY 180 FORMS OF GOVERNMENT FROM EACH OTHER
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>>442617
If by settle in you mean the mafia got them and is now using them as literal slaves, yeah, that's what happened.
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>>442618
Which is his point.

Running a dictatorship might be the neccessary evil for a democrat to do, to forcefully abolish factions that trample on the lower classes and violently oppose a democratic system's establishment.

A democrat may need to create a temporary, dictatorial state that battles this factions (good fucking luck with that to whoever tries, it rarely ends pretty) and then, only after the state is secure from the actions of these factions, establish the democracy.
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please go back to being nice to each other, and suggesting new and exotic fetish ideas for these games
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>>442628
But I don't understand the comparison of
Dictatorship/Democracy versus Socialism/Communism

One is complete opposite of each other while the other is the feasible goal of one
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>>442618
Yet you had and still have people creating dictatorships in order to transition to a democracy, much like people creating socialist states in order to transition to a communist one.
Neither does the one make a dictatorship a form of democracy, nor does the other make the socialist state a communist one.
You were claiming that a socialist state run by communists is a communist state, despite functioning exactly like a socialist state.
If that were true, a dictatorial state run by democrats would be a democracy, despite functioning exactly like a dictatorship.

>>442628
Look at Egypt. That's what they were trying and you can see how wonderful that turned out.
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>>442643
And the point is that a democracy can be a feasible goal for a dictator, but that doesn't make his dictatorship a democracy.
That's literally the entire point of the post you just replied to.
Whether you understand why people do it doesn't really matter. The fact is that people did and still do establish dictatorships to build a democracy.
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>>442636
>tfw tropic releases basement build and the "bad option" for one of the scenes invovles Dash starting to violently debate with Violet about the merrits of communism, and this goes on for like 100 lines of dialogue


>>442643
I'm going to assume you mean Dictatorship is the opposte if Democracy.
And this is true, but you cannot functionally run a democracy if there are factions out there systematically firebombing every government building and stopping elections.
You need to step up and enact martial law when shit hits the fan to this degree, which is basically a form of dictatorship in its own right.
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>>442644
>Look at Egypt. That's what they were trying and you can see how wonderful that turned out.
Yeah, basically what I was going for with the "good fucking luck" part.

>>442643
Basically in addition to >>442652, there is also the part that it doesn't really matter if the end-goal is feasible or not.
The point is, that just because on paper the reason something exists is to achieve an end goal, doesn't mean that it itself is the end goal.
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>>442644
But
The Republic of China during Mao didn't function like a socialist state
It functioned with all the signs of a communist state
Which is why people refer to it as a communist state rather then a socalist one
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>>442597
I don't care about Jews. I don't even think about them. They exist. They're like trees or people with more money than me. They might be important to someone but someone isn't me.

Instead, I write for a game many consider to be vaporwave, I go to the shooting range, I get off on manipulating those around me, I drink fancy-ass beer, pet my dog and fuck my fiancée.
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>>442662
If I do
2 communist policies
and 1 socialist policy
but call myself a socialist

Am I a socialist?
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>>442672
Mao Tse-Tung called himself a communist, but called his government socialist.

I suppose that makes you a bit of both.
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Trump won 4/5 states today while Bernie lost every single one.
I am going to masturbate so hard tonight.
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>>442675

Ah, I see. So if I commit a murder but call it "redistributing life" and don't call myself a murderer, then that means I'm not really a murderer because I said I wasn't one.
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Fuck Communism, Fuck Socialism, Fuck the Democrats, Republicans, Independents, and Everything in between. I just want 4 houses! Fuck Politics!
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>>442680

Herniefags on suicide watch. Shame Trump didn't get Ohio because of a literally who spoiling the election.
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>>442684
Well if the murder you committed wasn't an actual act, but rather an abstract concept, and infact you didn't commit that abstract concept but something else then yes, you aren't.
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>>442688

Explain to me how an act can be abstract.
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>>442688

Let me make this easy for you. If socialism is a prerequisite for communism, and we already have ample evidence of every socialist state failing, then we must infer that communism is a failed ideology as well.

X has to lead to Y
X cannot lead to Y without failing
Y is a failure

Simple.
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>>442668
Who refers to it as a communist state?
And how was it functioning like a communist state?
You are aware that a strong government is already a pretty good indicator of a socialist state as opposed to a communist state, because communism actually aims to abolish governmental structures as far as possible?
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>>442690
1) It can't, hence saying that it isn't an actual act.
2) There is a lot of leeway in murder if you really think about it.
You can murder someone, but be it a simple act of war.
You can murder a deep and have it not be murder, but poaching.
You can murder a deer and be it hunting.
You can murder a cockroach and have it be extermination.

>>442699
Nothing wrong what you're saying, but it doesn't mean that X is Y.
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>>442704

Wrong. Murder means you are killing an innocent, which is morally wrong. Killing is when you kill in self defense, for punishment, or to get rid of pests or for food, like your examples illustrate.

Huge difference. And just so you know, killing is permissible in Christianity. Murder is not. See: the story of Jesus on the cross in which he speaks to the two thieves condemned to death in which they say they are rightly condemned to death, as well as numerous other examples.

An act has to be concrete in order for it to be an act.
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That was fun, I learnt a bit from this, gonna finish up the body then try to do something better next.
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>>442707
I think you missed the point there buddy.

Context is everything when you do something.
One context is that you killed someone who was innocent.
Another context is that you killed someone because they were the enemy in a war.
Another context is that they were attacking you, and you acted in self defence.
The act itself, is killing someone. The context, is what it truly is.

Mao passing legislation is an act.
You put your own context to it, and you call it an act of communism.
For one, it doesn't neccessarily make it a communist act any more than it makes it a Maosit act, as he's making it be part of his pre-existing system instead of substituting the system with a new one.
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>>442707
You didn't actually get what he was saying.
He was pointing out how murder was a bad analogy the entire time.
His list under 2 is wrong, I agree, but arguing about that now is not even arguing the point he was actually making.
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>>442719
Forgot the "for another" part.
For another, "Maoism" exists as a term separate from Socialism and Communism for a reason, just the same way manslaughter exists as a term separate from murder and killing.
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>>442721
>>442719

The act is for communism. Call it socialism or communism, their own goals were to implement communism. They failed because it is unworkable. So that means communism failed. Why is this an argument?
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>>442727
>They failed because it is unworkable. So that means communism failed.
>They failed because it's unworkable.
And it's unworkable because they failed, right?

Regardless, the question isn't whether its workable or not.
The question is what it was that actually came to be.

Why is it that everyone keeps changing what the topic is?
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>this thread hits the double the amount needed for bump limit

COMMUNISM WINS AGAIN
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>>442712
fucking awesome
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>>442734

Yes, everyone that has tried to implement communism has failed. That's why it's a failure.

Juxtapose that to how every country to implement capitalism has succeeded. Even China to some extent.
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>>442712
Cool, I've always wanted to get a blowjob from Kirby.
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>>442738
There's an easter egg
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>>442736
>And we're still only on page 8

>>442740
Success is a 7 letter word with a C in the middle.
The universe is young.
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>>442742
haha it was my first try at this, it's all uphill from here
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>>442746

You can say the same about trying to go super saiyan in real life, it's not gonna happen.
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>>442746
>Success is a 7 letter word with a C in the middle.
I'm not sure what this is even supposed to mean/
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>>442752
That we still have a couple resource crises ahead of us with increasing populations and decreasing need for a human workforce.
Calling a victory party for capitalism is a bit early.

You'd have known what I meant if you had any idea about what Marx said.
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>>442759
>You'd have known what I meant if you had any idea about what Marx said.
I'm just here to jerk off, why the fuck would I have read the communist manifesto?
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>>442759
>resource crises ahead

This is assuming capitalism doesn't take us to space before that. An entire universe out there to capitalize on.
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>>442759
>increasing populations and decreasing need for a human workforce

And this isn't true either. Huge labor markets and forces left untapped in Africa and South America. But they continue to brain drain the areas and prop up failed governments. So they import immigrants to Europe and America which decreases the value of labor here.

I guess that's why they push for increased immigration, to bring us to decreasing needs for people to work so that people support socialist and communist policies :^)
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PT GOLD IS OUT! Can we get a download??
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>>442761
Yes, assuming.
We'll never see if Capitalism's mass production of everything was a detriment compared to Communism's bare neccessities in achieving that if "we" get out to space but hey.
It's not like in the capitalist future your descendants are going to be stuck on Earth, hoping for goodwill efforts to keep the planet alive, or ship them off to a colony filled with the descendants of pioneers and the rich who can easily move.

But hey, even that isn't the topic.

Neither is this >>442772 though you probably have point.

The original topic was:
Did anyone actually make a communist state, or did they just keep trying until someone put on the grill some imported bacon, and everyone decided that they'd rather try out the American Dream, even if they'll never get it?
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>>442774
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>>442776
>But hey, even that isn't the topic.
You're right the topic is Slave Trainer games
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>>442727
I do agree that you can never actually achieve a communist society and that they were doomed to fail from the beginning in trying to establish one.
But that wasn't the point argued at all.
The point argued was that they never established a communist state (and I believe you agree on that), but that their states are/were socialist states. And while socialism will always fail in its ultimate goal to establish a communist state and thus both communists and socialists always failing, communism and socialism are still not the same thing.

>>442760
I'd rather suggest "Das Kapital" anyway.
But why? To get a basic understanding of political theory.
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>>442790
Touché.
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any new shit get released that made all these posts in this dumb thread worth it?


no?
see you next thread i guess
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>>442832
>>442832
>>442832
New thread
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>>442680
>tfw Trump lost Ohio to someone worse than Jeb Bush in every way
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>>442854
It was the guys home state and he only lost by 8%.
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>>442833
This thread won't die for another day or so. Why the fuck are you creating a new thread?
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>>442901
Oh god this whining again.
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>>442905
Ignore it. We have been doing this for a long fucking time now. He's just a shitposter.
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>>442905
>>442906
The last one literally died twelve hours ago. How is it shitposting to point out that you guys create threads way too early?
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>>441644
>Detroit
>Socialist

More of a white/black thing than a liberal/conservative one. Ann Arbor is as liberal as they come and it's wonderful. Besides, black people are generally very conservative in general.
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>>442943
This thread is not the only one that does this, this is extremely common on every board. None of us care about your opinion.
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>>442947
>this is extremely common on every board
Wrong. It is only common on /vg/. I understand that you typically only know your home board, but come on.
You're not really this stupid, are you? This must be bait.
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>>442952
No it's common here also. None of us care.
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>>442952
This autism.
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>>442952
Draw thread does it, giant thread does it, xeno thread does, every general basically does it here. Take your autism elsewhere.
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>>442953
And yet you can't provide any examples of this "common" thing happening.
>>442955
>Someone isn't obeying the shitposting hivemind
>He must be autistic
What a genius.
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>>442959
see the post above yours fuck off autist.
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>>442959
>Listen to my opinion it somehow matters because it's mine
Kek.
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>>442957
That's because they hit the image limit, so they can't continue posting. /stg/ has never once been even close to the image limit. It is entirely discussion-based, so nothing is gained by creating a new thread.
>>442962
>Y-you're autistic! L-leave my thread!
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>>442962
>>442963
>replying to a shitposter from weg
Don't bother.
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>>442964
I'm so glad we are going to keep doing it. You get to get triggered every 2 days sometimes everyday!
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>>442966
>weg
Not even the right board. /weg/ is literally identical to /stg/, anyway.
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>>442968
His bitch tears just make it better.
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>>442968
>You get to get triggered every 2 days sometimes everyday
First time I've ever posted about it. Maybe the point has some validity if people constantly complain about it.
>>442971
>bitch tears
I don't even understand. I'm confused by your actions, not crying. Are you feeling alright, anon?
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>>442968
This.
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>>442968
>>442968
stg the thread that spits in everyone faces. Espeically newfag retards that think anyone cares what they say.
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>>442968
The funnest part is that the mods are okay with it. They implied as long as we were page nine it's fine, anything before that gets deleted.
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>>442982
>newfag
I've been here since 2008. You seem to be incapable of reading, so let me reiterate: I'm confused.
I started my posting with a question: Why did you create a new thread.
I'm looking for an answer for that question, and instead I got
>B-but we've always done it!
>Y-you're autistic!
>T-triggered!
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>>442989
Don't look for logic on /stg/.
SHITPOSTER
TRAINING
GROUND
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>>442003
>I do agree with the rest though. Dictatorships saying they want to achieve Communism is the only thing we'll ever get and all of them are/were horrible. Not one of them was a Communist country though. They themselves even call it Socialism, as you can easily see in the name of both GDR and USSR. North Korea's constitution also calls it a Socialist country and they even got rid off all mentions of Communism in it as of 2009.

North Korean also calls itself "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea." At least three of those words are inaccurate, not including the particles. Do not take dictatorial regimes word for it for what they are. They could claim to be ruled by Santa Claus, in his infinite wisdom, that doesn't make it so.
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>>442006
Why would you label it "Obamanimism" when Obama had nothing to do with putting it into place and has actually fought it at every turn? It was Conservative members of the Supreme Court,m appointed under Republican presidents, that turned the country over to the super pacs. The worst thing Obama did was to make use of the systems the new rules allowed for, and it would have been idiotic for anyone not to.
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>>442031
It really isn't a matter of "socialism vs. capitalism," it's a matter of "corrupt plutostate vs. less corrupt." If a country has an entrenched culture of corruption, then it doesn't matter in the slightest whether it is socialist or capitalist, democratic or dictatorial, it will still end up that a few will concentrate all the wealth and power, and everyone else gets screwed. For all the talk of corruption in the US government, it's actually much lower than in most countries in the world, where almost every action incorporates an open bribe.
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>>442239
No, socialism predated Marx by several thousand years. It was even coined as a modern term around sixty years before Marx was active.
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>>442442
To be fair, the EU is in better shape 25 years after its formation than the United States were 25 years after the Articles of Confederation. It takes time to work the kinks out of any new government system, at least a couple generations.
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>>442458
It's a representative oligarchy.
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You got your /pol/ in my /aco/.
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>>441641
>Hungary is not even on the list
Sounds about right.
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>>443461
The point is them wanting to establish a communist regime but still admitting it's socialist and not communist.
Why would they claim to be a socialist country if they are actually a communist country and that is what they wanted to be all along? Doesn't make any sense.
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>>443626
They point is that they have a poor grasp of what words mean, so just because they use the word "socialist" doesn't mean that it has anything whatsoever to do with the sort of socialism practiced in western countries, any more then the word "democratic" means that they are in any way a democracy.
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>>443904
So you want to claim they were/are communist countries?
If that is the case you either don't know the difference between communism and socialism, or you are baiting.
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>>443477
You got your /aco/ in my /pol/.
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