/aco/ commission thread

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http://alvah-and-friends.deviantart.com/
http://leah-nsfw.tumblr.com/
Discord - Gregthelion #9996

>>1571201
http://nessandlucied.tumblr.com

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>>1571201
Still open, 2 slots

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>>1571201


https://ankoruart.tumblr.com

[email protected]

Full body $55

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>>1571201
Yay new thread!

Yes: Yaoi, Furry and Anthro
No: noncon, loli/shota, scat/gore

Samekink discounts for: monster characters, light femdom, chubby characters.

I'm also thinking of doing a single character pinup sale! £10 off full colour, boys/girls/whatever.

What happened to the few good artists?

>>1571377
Either you have very limited tastes or you just don't hang out here as often.

>>1571312
What's the difference between pinup and scene, exactly? I don't see an obvious difference between the example pictures.

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>>1571403
I'm assuming that pinup means a solo character with no interaction with anything, like a pinup girl, while scene means there's interaction and things happening

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>>1571201

I missed you guys <3

Sketch: $15
Colored sketch: $25
Bw line art: $20
Cell shading: $40
Bw comics: $35 per page
Colored comics: $50 per page
Hd shading: $80-120
Hd comic: $150 per page
Blink animations: $80

>art samples
https://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/redmatzoo/1
>blog
http://redmatsumoto.tumblr.com
>contact
[email protected]

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>>1571201
Self shilling.

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>>1571201
Email me your idea, I will give an estimate and we can discuss a fair price:
[email protected]

patreon.com/FeatherCoat

I will draw EVERYTHING: Straight, Yuri, Yaoi, any fetish. SFW or NSFW.

EXCEPT scat and extreme loli/ shota.
>Aged up versions are OK.

>>1571564
Not that anon, but...

...Is that how you justify a scat fetish?

Even the fartfags are more self-aware than this, dude.

>>1571564
Do you get triggered every time you see a thread without shitposts in it?

>>1571411
I guess, but I don't see anything warranting a 25% price hike (!) between what's going on in the picture on the left and the one on the right. If one was a much simpler pose, I could understand, but...

>>1571666
It could be more well illustrated in the sheet but I guess the price difference includes props, more complicated poses, floating dicks, tentacles, etc

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Just gonna drop this right here...

I started a hentai foundry not a long time ago and there's nothing over there that's not on this sheet, but I'm going to try to post to it more regularly: www.hentai-foundry.com/user/Andiana/profile

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>>1571199
>Artists and commissioners, did you ever end up discovering a new fetish or just something you didn't know you liked while drawing or commissioning someone?

I always knew I liked femdom, but only after I started commissioning stuff that I realized how fun bondage stuff was

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>>1571201
The shilling never ends.

>>1571201
>>1571700

Dammit, I did it again.

Sorry about that. Anchored now.

Any suggestions on artists to approach for a Black Widow + Hulk comic? Typical Sparrow-ish content would apply.

>>Artist posts your commission to their tumblr without telling you
Is this normal or am I getting anxiety over nothing. It'd be nice to be asked first. There are some commissions with certain OC's that I'd like to keep private

>>1571403
>>1571411
>>1571666
>>1571692
According to their tumblr "The extra £10 on a scene price is to account for the difficulty in posing and foreshortening that might come with a sex scene."

Not sure if that helps but that's what it says. Perhaps it would make more sense if they said the price for a full color is 40-50 depending on complexity.

>>1571923
A lot of artists will use it as a portfolio piece.

If you want to remain anonymous about it, e-mail them and ask for them to remove your name. But I wouldn't get paranoid about it.

>>1571923
Common practice is that by default, artists are entitled to post what they do to their pages.

If you want it to be private, make note of it during the discussion.

>>1571923
It's normal. Some artists always ask, but as far as I know posting your art is the norm. If you want something to remain private make sure you get that squared away before you commission the piece, as that could conceivably affect the price (an artist might need more to compensate for the loss of possible advertisement from posting their art, especially if they don't churn out art at a high rate).

>>1571936
>>Charging more to keep something private


That's pretty wack, especially if their portfolio has hundreds of pieces of work already. What's not posting one commission going to do?


Guess I'll cut the commissions off then.

>>1571961
No need for that, just ask. I don't think charging more is the norm, I'm just saying it's possible so make sure it's cleared up beforehand.

>>1571923
I used to, but after I started getting more commissions I stopped. If you don't want the artist to post it please mention it to them, I'm sure the artist would be understanding even after they posted it and would be willing to take it down. Since there aren't any formal contracts 99% of the time, that means that you don't have any rights to the image (but it also means that you're able to run away and not pay them), so both parties just have to reach an agreement and trust each other.

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>>1571201

LHK price sheet - /aco/ edition.

https://largehadronkalidah.tumblr.com/tagged/LHK
https://www.furaffinity.net/user/largehadronkalidah/

>>1571989
>>1571989
>>Pay for an image

>>You don't have any right to use said image


I've never understood this. What if it has a specific design that you make and then ask the artist to spice it up? Does the artist have 100% ownership of the spiced up design? Could they put it on a t-shirt and sell it to the public?

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>>1571403
Yo! So actually it's a pretty bad example, but for the scene, I drew the bg, and set the character in the "scene"

The pin up there is with a stock bg and she's in front of it. Here she is for reference.
The scene price is for the added foreshortening and perspective work in the whole thing.

>>1571923
>>1571961

So I will normally charge a tiny bit more if it's a private commission, because it hurts my business if I can't post it to my social media.
Like say I get 10 commissions and 5 of those are private, that's 5 pieces of work that might be fantastic and get me more clients that the world isn't seeing. So I like to be reconciled for that.

It's not a big charge, but generally you need to say before we start.

>>1572057
Legally speaking, yes. Unless a proper contract that both parties have signed is made, you don't have any right to it, even if you paid them. If your design is copyrighted, it's a bit more complicated, but otherwise it doesn't matter.

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Hey /aco/. My monitor is finally starting to show signs of old age after maybe 10 years of active duty. Help me save up for a new one, will ya?

Contact info is in the sheet, I'm easy to reach and I usually respond quickly. If you have any questions, ask away!

>>1572057
>Does the artist have 100% ownership of the spiced up design? Could they put it on a t-shirt and sell it to the public?
Legally, the piece of art he's made can be used for whatever, but considering the kind of stuff that goes around commissions, it would be pretty hard for someone to sell a t-shirt with the designs usually commissioned by people. In the end, it's a matter of common courtesy between artist and commissioner.

>>1571961
no charging more isn't commom practice

>>1572057
the way I see it is
>pay for a car
>don't have the rights to the blueprints
or
>pay for dinner
>don't get to sell the recipe

as for your questions, technically yes, I think, but debatable as to how much. artists are pretty leisurely about things so it shouldn't be much of a problem.
if you plan on selling shirts and the like, a high flat rate is enough for many. and a royalty payment is common practice

So how much do you artists make off of a this type of thread? I'm considering doing some commissions too, and a little curious how the atmosphere for it is

>>1572138
I shilled and started regularly posting three weeks ago (after months of not being active) and I've gotten about 500 bucks so far

How much would an edit of an exisiting image be?
>>1572086
>>1571734
>>1571700

>>1572146
Depends on what the edit actually is. If it's a pair of tits, it won't be as much as a full body nude edit.

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my email is "[email protected]" so just copy paste that if you'd like a drawing please!

(I know I typo'd the word "commission" just c/p it)

>>1572146
What >>1572155 said.

Hit me up and show me the pic you want edited and I can tell you how much I would charge you. Contact info right here >>1572086

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Born to shill

>>1572173
>3.98 MB, 5500x8100

but why

>>1572205
zoom in dude
quality

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>>1571201
Offering some 15 buck pinups, [email protected]

>>1572222
Dude, that thing wouldn't fit even in an 8k screen.

>>1572146
Same thing the others said. It'll depend on the complexity of the edit.

>>1572092
I don't see the point in charging more for a private commission unless the commission itself is better than usual .If you're not regularly getting commissions then thats one thing; but if you're booked rapidly and charge more for the privacy of it then thats pretty shitty. Clients shouldnt have to see 100's of artworks to know what they want.


Heck. Even for the artists I commissioned; I only needed to see a few pieces to know what I want. They were even like some of the portfolios on here.


You can't call it a loss of business if someone wasn't going to commission you to begin with. Isn't it better to have returning customers then none?

Looking to something done in the Todd McFarlane art style.

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>>1571622
I'm not trying to justify anything, i'm just calling out the hypocrisy of artists who say they'll draw nothing "gross" but you see gallons of cum coming out of some girl's ass or giant smega covered dicks in their gallery. Some are actually fine with pedophillia and gore over scat. I find that absurd as all of the above are equally disgusting.

As a side rant, what's up with artists who only want to be commissioned what they ready draw on their own? What's the point in opening commissions then? Make a Paymetons account instead and do "art raffles" since that's already what you're doing but dishonestly.

>>1571648
These threads have been shit for a few months.

>>1572331
Gather some examples and throw them at the artist of your liking.

>>1572338
If I like gore but dislike scat, there's nothing hypocritical about that. I simply do not find scat attractive.

It's on equal grounds as when people say they prefer ass over tits. Or when they say they like dogs but dislike cats.

Let me put it in a reductio ad absurdum
>"How can you hate cats if you like dogs? What a hypocrite, you can either like all animals or none at all!"

>>1571201
>>1572194
Duhh forgot to anchor

>>1572358
This. There's no definite place to draw the line of what's too far. I know an artist who loves to draw rape and necro, but wouldn't touch loli with a 10 foot pole.

Interesting fact: I can't imagine anyone jerking to the stuff I draw. I've never masturbated to an image, a drawing much less, so on some level it's simply not comprehendible to me.

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>>1571201
Shillin'

>>1572431
K

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>>1572436
Most recent finished piece

>>1571201
Anchoring this, hurr
>>1572086

>>1572317

If you're not promoting, you're losing business. There's really no middle ground. Even established artists who have a big portfolio need to constantly create fresh material to stay on the radar or they'll fall off.Conventional freelancers like writers and photographers get most their business with word of mouth referrals, but since not as many people refer their friends to porn artists as they do freelance writers or photographers, a constantly updated portfolio to remind the internet that they're alive is everything

90% of the people who view their work will just lurk, fap and leave, but it's the 10% that constitute their clientele. Because people have such widely different tastes, any picture that they make could be that one picture that winds up getting them their most generous and frequent commissioner yet. You really just never know what's going to rub who just the right way.

So considering that the time that they spend on a commission is time that can't be gotten back, it's helpful for them to have something to show for it to keep their followers engaged and their portfolio fresh as per the demands of the industry. Paying extra for private is basically just a small way of compensating their willingness to forego the ability to use what they've created to keep their business running

>>1572338
>As a side rant, what's up with artists who only want to be commissioned what they ready draw on their own?
If someone wants to draw fetishes/scenes they enjoy and people want to pay for it, why not?

>>1572440
Why would you do that to Patty
She's a good grill police fire fighter lady

>>1572338
So you mean, like for example, cum inflation artists that post cum inflation on their blog?

Because they're GOOD at it, most likely. Artists market to the crowd that they're most likely to please. If you have lax morals on what to draw and you're specifically good at one thing, that's your market.

Personal opinions and subjectivity are not synonymous with 'hypocrisy'. Hypocrisy is, like, saying not to eat the sugar cookies because they suck, and then you eat the sugar cookie. If you say don't eat the sugar cookies, they suck... And then you eat a snickerdoodle, that's a manner of personal taste.

>>1572436
Looks like shit senpai

>>1572471
>If you have lax morals on what to draw and you're specifically good at one thing, that's your market
Not the guy you are talking with and I agree with your overall point, I just don't think it has anything to do with morals. Drawing vanilla pinups only doesn't make you morally superior to anyone

>>1572509
Didn't really mean it like that, trying to say, like, if you had a personal quarrel with the ethics of drawing loli/shota even though you might be good at it, you're not likely to do it. But if you don't really give a fuck then you're more likely to go for it.

Not tryin to pass judgement, just offering an opinion on what someone might do based on what they agreed with.

>>1572144
not them, this makes me super excited to start. even if it's just one, I'd love to get a client

>>1572338
>different people have different standards
gee, what a twist

also, raffles aren't allowed on patreon

>>1572456
This this this

>>1572543
Neither is porn but hundreds of artists use it for it.

And lol at "standards." You're drawing cartoon porn because you couldn't make it as a professional artist. I mean a true professional, not some faggot that gets paid but procrastinates like shit.

>>1572556
I'm beginning to think you're just talking out your ass, anon.

>>1572556
There are so many assumptions in that post I'm starting to think you might be projecting your frustration on the artists around here.

>>1572564
>>1572574
>didn't disprove any of my points
Shouldn't you be working on commission right now, "artists"?

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>>1571201
I do mainly vanilla stuff
I don't do loli/shota or guro stuff

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Usually it's 30USD per page but if you order at least 6 and up, i'll give yah a guys >>1571201
discount.

>>1572626
Anon, tell me who rejected your commission. Was it hard? Was it your first time getting denied?

As someone that's been commissioning for a while now, let me give you a tip: don't get this salty. It's the most common thing. Sometimes the artist has their queue filled, sometimes they are busy with something else like another job or uni and sometimes they outright just don't like the idea you pitched, even if it's not explicit in their "Dos and Don'ts"

It happens and the best thing you can do is to move on and find another artist

>>1572626
When the other anon mentioned standards, it was in regard of the nature of the content, not the quality thereof. The fact that you immediately jumped to that interpretation speaks volumes about yourself.

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>>1571201
Posting this on behalf of the artist, Ber00/Bermasin, since he's Korean and his English writing isn't very good but can understand it.
Tumblr: http://ber00.tumblr.com/
Commission Info: http://ber00.tumblr.com/tagged/commission-info (picture/price examples coming soon)
E-mail: [email protected]
Picarto stream: https://picarto.tv/bermasin (he streams everyday starting at 12-13 PM GMT so be sure to follow him)

He is willing to draw almost ANYTHING; humans, furries, monsters, OCs, futas, etc. in ANY situation/fetish; bondage, muscle growth, bestiality, scat, guro, you name it. The only thing that he won't do is drawing porn of elderly-looking women (grandmas, as he calls them). He also does animations.

If his commission list is full you can ask him to reserve your commission so he can do it at a later date. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

>>1572626
Wtf is there to disprove, lol, you're just a knob.

Keep this up there

>>1572733
Once again you can't refute anything I said. How sad.

>>1572668
>When the other anon mentioned standards, it was in regard of the nature of the content, not the quality thereof.
Where in my post did I talk about art quality. All we've been talking about is content related.

>>1572652
See, now this is classic artist entitlement. Gotta love how you immediately assumed that I got a commission idea rejected when I was talking about artists who only do commissions or "art raffles" that serve their own taste. Those are a dealbreaker for me and I've never done business with them. Sounds like that's apart of your business model.

>>1573768
>>1573972
thanks for keeping the thread up, guys

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>>1571312
Just putting some porn in here to bump the thread. Au'Ra again~

>>1574108
If I were to email you right now, what is your expected delivery time for a lineart comm as shown in >>1571312?

>>1573972
Are you still going?

Well I mean it's bumping the thread, but have fun knowing that literally everyone else in this thread thinks you're a colossal faggot.

>>1573972
>now this is classic artist entitlement
I can't even draw, why do I assume I'm an artist just because I disagreed with you?

>I was talking about artists who only do commissions or "art raffles" that serve their own taste

>artist having a following big enough so they make the decision of drawing only limited stuff because that's what they enjoy while still bringing in money
What's the problem with that? If they worked hard for their recognition to the point where they built a fanbase that will pay for the stuff they want to draw, I don't see an issue

Knock it the fuck off, holy shit just stop talking to each other.

>>1574138
Oh hey presumably it's you I just replied to, but I can have it all finished by Sunday at the latest.

>>1574265
Yup that's me!

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Shilling for my boi Drawbuttz https://drawbutts.tumblr.com/

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I love how the discord is nothing but a bunch of gay guys jacking off.

And how every thread is just filled with passive aggressive grown men internet fighting over everything.

>>1574415
Why do you sound so surprised?

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Shilling, but giving a heads up: I'll be away from home for a month starting on the 24th of July, so I'll probably be able to access the internet and check mail only every 3-4 days or so, but I should be able to draw during the month (if I'm able to get the necessary plug for my laptop adapter).

Last tumblr account was unfortunately just terminated and so a lot of things went missing, but I made a new account with some works from the last three years.

Email: [email protected]
tumblr: lewdsatanicswallow.tumblr.com

you'd have to mug me at gunpoint to get me to pay for any of this shit here

hit the books, shitheads

>>1574415
Aw, couldn't get a spot in the circle jerk huh?

Dear Artists;

as a client; How could I show an artist my appreciation for all the hard work they've done?

>>1574595
Money and a thank you.

>>1574415
much like the thread, the people in the discord server are untalented and lacking in any taste

anyone who emulates the tumblr SU style of fat lips and fruity pastel designs gets worshiped to kingdom come, the commissioners are also all shit. they love boring designs with the same shit, there's this one annoying fuck who does nothing but commission bland steven universe characters and buying art from the same talented people here, shitting it up and squealing like a god damn hog queen in heat whenever they queef out another piece of "art"

fuck off, docfriend.

>>1574595
Shekels/patreon shekels would help the artist the most, but a simple thank you will do if you're not in position for that.

>>1574595
Throw them a tip on the commission or give them a buck or two on patreon/ko-fi if they have one

>>1574595
You can continue to commission them. Maybe tip them if you really want to.

>>1574604
get some god damn talent you binary-tool hating twats, draw some fucking outlines or do anything, i fucking hate it when i see another fat bitch posted on art-share with nothing but pale colors and a "hurrrrr i'm so sleepy" aesthetic while some ignorant fuckmunch that comes from the clique of /aco/ fuck will toss endless fucking stacks of $10 bills just so they can pop a half chub underneath their barrels of fat because they're too untalented, lazy, and poor to actually commission somebody who can draw

fuck you and especially fuck the people here that keeps giving them money

>>1574626
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo5ro1nWsPU

Jesus fucking christ

>>1574626
>get bucket of paint
>splotch it on the fucking ground
>roll around your loose fucking vagina on it
>make the ill-fitting tumors somehow as """normal""" looking as possible while still drawing visual cancer
>don't outline it or do constructive anatomy work like some sort of fucking stupid bitch without a lick of talent and """self-taught""" would do
>put a pair of fish lips and maybe some white circles here and there with the world's ugliest fucking giant finger and toenails to compensate for your lack of talent or just to mimic your hideous form because nobody can bear to look at you or be near you for any length of time due to your lack of personal achievement
>pretend to give dumb idiots a deal by selling your strawberry shortcake colored fecal matter at $10 - $20 a pop because nobody would fuck you with a rake

fuck off you talentless artists, there are people here who deserve far more than your """QUEEN""" status can ever fucking warrant, i'd tell you to catch HIV but you'd live for too long, so eat a bullet you fucking twats

>>1574595
Tips are always nice, but if you're not feeling that, just a sweet "thank you" and continuing to commission them when you can is lovely!

>>1574595
endorsing them is always helpful. If you got a tumblr or a blog, reblog their stuff and advertise them to others with a positive review.

>>1574651
and this is for the fucking commissioners who are too embroiled in their awful fucking taste to ever commission someone with TALENT because they're too dirt broke poor or they're fuckwits with horrible taste, or worse, both and bottom of the barrel, like FTRANNY "I ROLEPLAY AS A BIG DICKED WITCH BECAUSE I GOT NOWHERE IN LIFE" VICODIN OR WORSE, WHY "MY BIG BLACK BROWN GIRL HAS AN UGLY FUCKING BIG DICK AND AWFUL PURPLE HAIR AND SOMEHOW LOOKS WORSE THAN SOMBRA" MIRA

MAYBE IF YOU STOPPED SHOVING TRUCKSTOP LOT LIZARD MONEY AT THESE HACKS, YOU'D BE ABLE TO SAVE UP AND AFFORD SOMETHING DECENT TO FIX YOUR TASTE BUT YOU'RE TOO DAMN CHEAP AND FUCKING TERRIBLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT

FUCK OFF I'M DONE

>>1574651
The people here in this thread and discord are fucking retarded. I can't fathom why the shittiest artists are worshipped like gods there. Also the endless shilling of bland, boring, and uninspired characters. Plus, the discord is devolving into some cybering hellhole. I would say there is nothing wrong with pastel and style, as a novel and different niche thing, but yeah, it is trying seeing only that shit done and lauded as the best ever.

>>1574702
I think this is my mistake. I've thrown a load of money at artists but go for cheap commissions. So I've spent enough for numerous good pieces but I just have a ton of crappy ones that I don't like to look at.

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>>1574702
>>1574651
someone's pissy L U L

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>>1574651
Ma-ha-ha-ha-han... you are one pathetic loser.

>>1574711
>>1574712
notice how these valid points are brought up but they do nothing to answer these criticisms, their minds devolve and they undergo primal defensive ape hormones because they couldn't handle the fact that they had some honest to god criticism levied towards them. i don't care who the fuck you twats are, but you should know better than to support bad artists who don't wish to become better, instead training themselves to placate the lowest common denominator because you couldn't bear to see an extra third digit in your savings account you fucking whelps.

>>1574708
it's a god damn travesty, i bet they're calling me a troll or whatever, but i don't give a flying fuck as long as their scheme and gig is up. just look at hentai-foundry, it's the same fucking shit with different fucking people, except the HF people managed to lock up decent artists in their approval schemes while here, it's unfiltered TRASH

>>1574710
save up your god damn money you schlub and maybe you can't stop drinking slop, but at least you're improving and realizing when it isn't worth it

>>1574726
Big words there, hun.

>>1574726
>bad artists who don't wish to become better
Well, I might be mediocre right now, but I'm still learning. I'm sure goes for many people here.

Stop thot lips now

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>>1574726
BIG WORD MEAN MAN AAAAAAAAA
i dont care what goes on with the artists you criticizing nigga i just like seeing this shit explode cause you some dusty fuckboy who mad about people using their money to someone other than you

>>1574732
>>1574749
oh, do you want me to translate it for you, monkey brains? do you want me to EEK and OOK it out for you so that you can shove another banana down your gullet of a landfill? let me spell it out for you in simple fucking words because you don't want to do anything but deflect constructive criticism you filthy fucking apes

>EEK me no LIKE using COMPLEX colors OOK
>EEK me no THINK of ANATOMY OOK
>ME EEK EEK AHH AHH
>me know easy way of make OOK money
>me know not ANATOMY ook
>other monkey EEK OOK at my OOK
>me EEK at LOTS of OOK BANANA

and if that's too fucking erudite for you baboons, you deserve the worst fucking superbug to crawl up that gaping cavern of an asshole and load your intestines with diarrhea for a year straight until you're dehydrated and emaciated, begging for the sweet release of death

maybe then the fucking doctors can pull the plug on you because you certainly fucking can't

>>1574738
don't sell your fucking art until it's worth more than 30 bucks, easy. if you need money, go sell your ass on backpages instead of polluting the internet with your crude caveman drawings you call pornography

>>1574726
Who we commission with our own money is our business, not yours. If you're being an asshole because you're jealous that other people are getting paid and you're not, then you might as well just leave.

And you've raised no valid criticisms at all; you've just let loose a torrent of verbal diarrhea on the screen that no-one gives a shit about.

Go cry about it on your personal blog and stop shitting up another thread, you talentless fuck.

>>1574757
>don't sell your fucking art until it's worth more than 30 bucks, easy.
Horrible advice, if money can be made it should be made. What are you, a commie?

>>1574767
honestly I've had more high price commissions I'm unhappy with than I've had with low price commissions.

low cost commissions are the life's blood of this community.

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>>1574757
>criticism
i said i don't care LUL go take your chimp out speak somewhere else
next thing you're gonna do is get mad at an ATM because they get money for doing nothing
>don't sell your fucking art until it's worth more than 30 bucks, easy.
PFFFTTT HAHAHHAHA
>NOT MAKING EASY MONEY OFF OF THIRSTY FUCKS ON THE INTERNET
>E A S Y M O N E Y
IS THIS LUCY??? SALTY THAT OTHER PEOPLE MAKE ACTUAL MONEY

>>1574759
sorry bub, this is an anonymous thread where i can post anything i want provided it pertains to the discussion at hand, it's not my fault none of you can bring a basic argument or even attempt to refute me other than waving a baby rattler and crying at me because some anonymous fuckhead like me shot your orangutan ass with a tranq dart and made you poopy your diapey

>>1574767
>HURR BUY MY POOP IT'S GOOD
>huh???
>yeah dude his poop is great you should do it
>yeah you'd love it
>okay
>SEE IT SMELLS GOOD RIGHT??
>h-haha yeah...

the disgusting lack of criticism here allows this fungus of artistic death infect smut to such a deep degree that even the middle school angst kids on deviantart look like god damn saints in trying to improve their emo lifestyles

It's funny how one pathetic autismo is spending his time trying to shit up commission threads. Get a hobby.

>>1574595
a thanks is more than enough, knowing you were happy with the outcome

also (not expected, just listing)
>be a returning customer
>tip them
>promote them/ get the word out
that last one is very admirable to see some anons here do

>>1574415
>>1574604
>>1574626
>>1574651

I don't even need to say anything.

>>1574810
>this entire post

Dude. Everyone has been angry and flinging shit at each other for 3 threads now

Ask around

>>1574789
You're like that one chick on /r9k/ who is trying to get everyone to like her.

why

are you idiots

responding to the trolls

>>1574833
This, holy shit.

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>>1574789
>refute me

It helps to actually have an argument in the first place, dipshit. All you're doing is spamming the place with your emotional ranting. The only one around here that's crying, shaking their rattle and pooping their diaper is you because you're so much of a shitty artist that no-one will hire you, so all you can do to make yourself feel better is by bringing other people down.

At least you got one thing right - you are an anonymous fuckhead.

>>1574820
>>1574832
>Y-YOU'RE MEAN BUH HUH

get over yourself, cockwipes

>>1574838
maybe if you had some fucking reading comprehension (which you don't) maybe you'd get the fucking message here. but no, you attempt to deflect and make it look like i'm shitting my pants when i just want to make it absolutely clear my intentions

in other words

READ

THE

FUCKING

POSTS YOU MONGREL

on the note of critisism, I drew over someone's commission info from here not too long ago as a practice exercise.
their art is really nice it's just the breasts. also I learned a little more from them too. never posted it because it might seem insulting or off-topic. not sure if I should ever

>>1574849
I've read the ravings you posted and the only intention you seem to be trying to communicate is "These artists are bad, stop paying them money", which again, is not really your concern.

Maybe if you spent your time trying to improve your own art, people would be willing to hire you. I have a reasonably good idea of who you are based on your writing style, and if I'm right, you won't be improving any time soon.

>>1574855
Who do you think it is, because I certainly don't want to work with them on accident.

>>1574857
I'm 90% sure it's RedMatsumoto. Either him/her or Ryoga.

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>>1574626
>>1574604
>>1574849
>you attempt to deflect and make it look like i'm shitting my pants
You do look somewhat aggravated

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i'd like to talk about paying money for smut please

>>1574860
I don't know either of them, but thanks for the heads up.

>>1574849
okay, here's my only (YOU) for you
>wahh, people don't have my standards
and we should care because?

>you're all shit
hm, and that's your problem because?

>adhere to my standards!
nah.

also
>expecting people to do what you want how you want over their own wants when you're just words on a screen
fucking wew. I don't know if you know this, but there's something that looks like an X in a red box on the top right of the screen. if you click it, all your problems will go away.

>>1574860
>I'm 90% sure it's RedMatsumoto. Either him/her or Ryoga.
dunno them all well either. what makes you think it's them from the writing?

>>1574868
don't bother with the thread. Hit up the discord. Most of the better artists who posted here have fled this darkness already.

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I'll take >>1574868's suggestion

What was the last piece you guys commissioned?

I got this with some friends from Dizzy's sale (dizzydizzydemon.tumblr.com) and it was pretty great, I like how he does bigger bodytypes really well. Sadly his queue got filled or else I would have bought a sequel for it

>>1574879
Is this you, Red? Have I found you out?

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>>1574882
This was my last commissioned piece from MrMayhemm.

>>1574881
The discord is shit to be honest.

>>1574889
It's less shit than the thread or red's discord.

>>1574884
>implying just because someone dared question him
see, I was curious, now I just think you're retarded. either way, staying out of it

>>1574868
>>1574882
you're right.

I wanna start by doing simple pin-ups. is that a fine idea?

>>1574888
that an OC?

>>1574895
Yeah. You wanna just start small before you start throwing sizable chunks of money at artists

>>1574898
oh, I meant me doing them. as a drawfag. but I do also wanna commission some so yes.

>>1574899
works well for new artists too. people feel more comfortable buying something small if it's a new face, where people arent sure if they're legit or safe or good yet.

>>1574893
>vendetta drama

>>1574899
The more stuff you're willing to draw, the more comms you'll get, but if your art is decent you can make it with pinups.

>>1574895
>Not actually denying it

Thanks for playing, Red.

>>1574897
Yeah, it's my OC, "Puppet Girl".

>>1574447
Sucks to hear, there was some nice art building up on there. I guess it was the loli that did it. Oh well, I'll be sure to spread the word.

>>1571201

>Want to try opening commissions
>Have no idea what is considered too cheap and too expensive.

I think a big problem I have is i've always drawn ecchi stuff... but not anything actually NSFW.

Should I post some art to see if anyone would be intrested?

>>1572086
NECRO IS THAT YOU??

>>1572086
That Dr. Girlfriend is amazing,

>>1571199
I'm kind of surprised no one's coined the term "cummission" yet for these threads

>>1574956
It depends 100% on the quality of your stuff. If you wanna start small, do some $10 flat pinups and see if people grab them

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>>1571201
Will yaal just shut the fuck up and commission me already

>>1574999
No, good lord.

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>>1574990
This was something I bumped out for a friend on Tumblr.
I guess another issue is I am a pretty slow drawer...

>>1575002
Why the fuck not?

>>1574949
Yeah, but on a positive note it's better that it happened now rather than later. Tumblr has been very lax about loli before, though. Weird.

>>1574957
You got the wrong guy. Sorry to disappoint.

>>1574961
Thanks! She's the best character to make you question your sexuality.

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>Didn't do anything this time
>Thread derails and becomes a shithole

Oh boy am I glad I didn't announce myself here this time

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>>1574999
You think this is funny?!
IS THIS HOW YOU GET YOUR SICK KICKS?!

who tf in here is willing to draw crush porn for me

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>>1574882
One of the latest ones I got was this little ditty off of Okappa. Nice guy to work with.

hey guys is there a guide somewhere for someone who wants to start doing commissions?

>>1575279
kind?

>>1575329
>kind?
What?

>>1575332
what kind of crush? who's getting crushed?
are you insect anon?

>>1575341
No, I'm not insect anon.
I just want to see girls stepping on and killing worms and stuff

>>1572338
>>1572556
>>1572626
>>1573972
>>1574604
>>1574626
>>1574651
>>1574702
>>1574708
>>1574726
>>1574749
>>1574757
>>1574786
>>1574789
>>1574849

Would like to remind everyone in this thread that all this nonsense stemmed from a literal shit post.

>>1571564, which has since been deleted, read something along the lines of 'no scat? do you get triggered every time you go to the bathroom?'

Quite literally shit posting.

>>1575008
I'd commission you.

Anatomy needs a little work but I'm not repulsed either. Do you do any figure drawing?
If you have any other work, post it and maybe more people can chime in.

>>1575266
Lucy shut the fuck up

>>1575053
More like no one reported it before. It's not as if someone is sitting at tumblr hq looking over everything that gets posted, but they're going to take action if someone goes "hey this guy posts cp".

>>1575308
Make a tumblr, hentai-foundry, deviantart, furaffinity and/or whatever account(s) and start posting your art there. Concentrate on getting a few good pics up before you start taking commissions.

A good way to get noticed is drawing fanart of currently popular shows (latest Zelda, steven universe, or whatever), or big name people's ~original characters~.

Make a paypal account. Alternatives are fine, but most everybody uses paypal and you'll have difficulties if you don't.

Think of how much to charge. Obviously, the better you are, the more you can charge, but if you are new and unknown it is probably better to lowball it a little to start drawing in customers and raise it later.

Make a comm sheet that shows clear examples of all the services you offer. Provide the typical cost for each, as well as any limits as to what you won't draw, and your contact information. The sheet should show your best work in each category! Look at the ones in the thread for inspiration - >>1572194 is a pretty good example.

Start posting said sheet here and on whatever sites you frequent.

Update your sheet regularly - it's an excuse to repost it, for one thing, but also to show your newest, best work.

>>1575308
>>1575767

>Think of how much to charge... if you are new and unknown it is probably better to lowball it a little to start

You don't want to go lower than Minimum Wage though. A race to the bottom helps no-one (especially other artists), and a rising tide raises all ships.

Time yourself drawing each stage of sketch, lineart, simple colour, full colour, etc. You'll need to do this several times to get an average of how long it will take you. Keep logging your times with each drawing, and adjust your rates accordingly.

>>1575780
>You don't want to go lower than Minimum Wage though. A race to the bottom helps no-one (especially other artists), and a rising tide raises all ships.
This. One used to be able to make a living shooting stock photography, then all the micro stock sites came along and a photo that would have earned you a $20-80 commission instead got you $0.20. It killed the market for professionals, and now it's mostly hobbyists who have other jobs.

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>>1575582
Thanks man.

Its of course stylised but i'm trying incorporate more actual anatomy. Its a process.

I'll try drawing out some actual figure drawings since it should be good practice.

For the most part, I either draw dumb fetish junk or dumb vidya stuff.

>>1575780
>You don't want to go lower than Minimum Wage though.

That's a cute thought and all, but unfortunately the reality is that you won't get much in the ways of customers if you charge more than others do for comparable work. Especially as a complete unknown.

>>1575014
Your art speaks for itself

>>1576091
> That's a cute thought
Spoken like someone who doesn't value art and artists. Spoken like someone who wants to pay as little as possible. Spoken like someone who offers to pay with "exposure".

Why don't you think art is worth paying for?
Why do you think having the skills and ability to draw, even as a beginner, is worth less than unskilled manual labour?

If you're a beginner, you may find yourself working for less than Minimum Wage anyway, until you have a firm idea of how long a particular project will take (a drawing you thought would take an hour ends up taking an hour and a half).

Someone who isn't prepared to pay you Minimum Wage for your work and time isn't someone you should be working for. You definitely shouldn't work for anyone who offers to pay with """exposure""".

If you see someone who draws better than you and charges less, you should tell them to raise their prices, not lower yours.

Art and artists are devalued enough as it is. Stop undercutting each other and racing to the bottom.

>>1576183
If you want to enter a market, you need to compete within that market. Either by offering something notable like higher quality and/or speed, or through competitive prices.

You are of course allowed to set whatever prices you like. But customers are equally free to compare your offers with other artists' and talk to the ones who offer the best deals.

>>1576183
>>1576342
I mean, there ARE movements trying to ensure people get paid fairly for their work - like fair trade. And some people WILL pay extra so they can be sure their stuff isn't produced by children in the third world who get paid lint and bananas for it. So if you explain your pricing properly, you might actually get some bites even if you charge more than average for average-quality work. But there's also a reason most wares AREN'T fair trade certified. Because a majority of people would still rather just buy the cheap thing.

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>>1571435
Why would you use some stock image when your trying to advertise your art?
Also this pepis women you put on your Tumblr is something else...

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>>1571201

>>1574999
>charging extra for nsfw on an Indian mahaba board

>>1574999
In about 10-15 years when your art improves dramatically. I've gotten far superior artwork for less than what you charge for that crap.

>>1574999
I'm fairly certain this is a troll.

I mean like, there's no contact info even if I WANTED any of this crap.

>>1576772
Why is everybody being mean to me?
Fuck you guys

>>1577006
Listen man, you're charging potentially $70 for something I'd be disappointed in gif it was free.

>>1577011
Your point?

>>1577020
Please try harder next time

>>1577006
That other anon has a good point. Maybe you should tell us how to get a hold of you if you want anyone to buy your shit, hm?

>>1575289
What's his site?

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>>1571201
Won't do: scat, vore, gore, underage and extreme fetishes.

Contact: Mk LazerBones#7794

[email protected]

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>>1577607
Can you do noticably milfy milfs/gilfs? And talking more about age/facial.

>>1577607
Do you have more works? Have you drawn anime characters?

>>1577607
>Won't do: scat, vore, gore, underage and extreme fetishes.

lol at shitty artists thinking they can make demands like this. good bye!

>>1577774
Good riddance, cunt. Thx for keeping thread alive.

>>1575780
This pisses me off.
Minimum wage references.
Minimum wage refers to your country and that you believe that what you do as a commission is equal to a job. It is not. Else the commissioner would be able to hire said artist for just an hour. Hourly rates, they can be referenced with minimum wage. Else; What takes one artist an hour could take another artist 5 - if it was a job you would fire/sack the slower worker. This is where any references to minimal wage falls apart. The slower artist may indeed be just as good as the quicker artist, but just because they are slower they have no right to charge more based on solely the fact that they are slower.

This is why artists that tend to live stream, to give an example of what they can produce in a set period earn more on average if selling their time in blocks; than per commission.

>>1578093
And in terms of those stating hur dur you would pay an unskilled labour more?

Unskilled labour varies from country to country greatly. I have a degree which is needed for my profession. I'm a nurse in A&E. I take home after taxes less than the American 15 bucks minimal wage (in some states) due to my country of residence. I live in the UK, voted best healthcare system in the world. Why should I pay an unemployed artist more based on what they believe thier minimal wage is if it's higher than mine when I save lives for a living?

>>1575834
>dumb vidya stuff
>motherfucking Bomberman

Okay, now I REALLY want to commission you.
Same guy from before, btw.

>>1578113
>Then commission Europoors
I already do. It's nothing about American artists, I've commissioned a few of them as well, but the moment one references the minimal wage I stop.

An online commission, be it art, music or scripture; it is based on what the customers are willing to pay, supply and demand - not minimum wage.

>>1578113
>Why should I pay an unemployed artist more based on what they believe thier minimal wage is if it's higher than mine when I save lives for a living?
Because 1. Being a freelance artist is a job too and 2. Art is damn luxury. It's something to buy with your surplus income
You don't go to restaurant and say "why should I pay you when I can make steak at home?"

>>1578139
>Being a freelance artist is a job too

Are you paying taxes?

>>1578156
If you make over a certain amount of income in a month, then you must pay taxes.

That's why most artists just say 'send me it straight to PayPal'. Now, you still have to pay taxes for existing, but as far as taxes on your income it's only after X amount of documented income that it kicks in.

(P.S. Not that anon)

>>1578156
Yes. I file as an independent business and pay the taxes I don't get charged for my commissions. Which I factor into my prices since I've started filing.
While not all freelancers do that, there are tons of other people who don't pay taxes and do have typical jobs. It isn't really a merit to go off of.

>>1578139
A painter and decorator is self employed too. I'll hire someone Polish or foreign to do the same job cheaper though.

>>1578172
>You pay them less?
>Dem stealing our jobs!
>You should pay them the same or more than us so we can justify our quotes (because lets be honest, it's just the same circle jerks commissioning from each other with the money being passed around)

That's not how supply and demand works.

>>1578172
I don't care who you pay to do what. But don't be butthurt that your currency is worth less than another. It isn't up to the people under that currency.
It may seem like more to you because of where you are, but it could barely be enough for them. If I make $500 a month I'm ecstatic because the state I live in has a moderate cost of living. But if someone in New York or Cali makes only $500 a month they're homeless.

>>1578180
Honestly, this. If I my boyfriend and I make $500 a month we can afford to rent a 2 bedroom house, pay all utilities, and eat pretty damn well. But if someone does that in a city, they're fucked. The cost of living in towns in the same state differs widely depending on the state you're in.

>>1578180
>>1578180
>>1578182
Again, you fail to understand and lack common sense. Local aspects of cost do not count in any way online. As you said about currency being worth less, agreed it's about location.

It would be like someone travelling to another country to do a simple unskilled labour job for a couple of years before moving back to their original country where said money is enough to retire on. Wait? Doesn't that sound familiar?

>>1578196
A sandwich made in the country side in Texas, and a sandwich made in the city of New York.

Which is worth more to the person in Australia?

>>1578205
Only when there is a demand for new York sandwiches in Australia does it's value go up. It doesn't matter that the time it takes to shop for the ingredients or the cost of the ingredients to the Auzzy, just the end product.

>>1578196

That's only valid if someone makes that argument for charging more, though.

If someone said 'look, I've gotta start charging more shit's getting expensive', then you're either going to say okay and do it to receive the quality of work or go somewhere else.

But you can't blame a person for charging more because their location is expensive. They're trying to make their own living where they are. They're running a business and they care about money. And if you're getting pissed off about that, then you need to take your and your business elsewhere. Seems like common sense to me.

>>1577006
Welcome to 4chan

>>1578230
This exactly.
If you don't like it, shove off and find prices you do like. Simple as that.

>>1578230
>>1578238
Indeed, I agree and often do. My point is that your points are completely valid. Going elsewhere or looking elsewhere for a cheaper deal is common sense. Having people say that the cheaper artists should up their prices to justify their own is not.

>>1575266
Just kill yourself already

Does any artist here help with character creation? Like without visible references? Whats the rate on that?

>>1578561
concept art. Usually same price with any given artist if you're willing to take the first things as it is with little (keyword: little) and reasonable adjustments.

You might be also asking for character sheets which usually cost more.

>>1578561
Right here.

>>1571700

E-mail me if you're into the style. It's not all MILFs and gobbos but... A significant portion of it's MILFs and gobbos. Anyway, if you're interested, we can discuss the kinds of things you're looking for and figure out the pricing from there.

>>1578561
>>1571312

I can do it (and have done it before) but I charge a little more on top of the base price to cover all the changes and back and fourth we're going to do.

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are there commission threads on any other boards?

>>1578614
I tried to start on on /d/ and they all spazzed out, saying it was against the rules.

>>1578601
What if the base price is Pay What You Want?

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>>1578113
Ok so I'm also in the UK. I have some of the highest prices on this board.
Everyone deserves minimum wage. Just because you save lives and I draw boobs does not mean I don't deserve a roof over my head. I pay my taxes and am registered self employed.
Art is a luxury item. Unlike the NHS you work for, it's not a right. I agree that nurses should be paid more! But honestly that's not my problem in relation to my art.
If you can't afford what people are asking, then maybe don't buy from them.

You don't get to ask people to race to the bottom just because you save lives all day.

Also some porn to justify this rant.

>>1578625
Then I'll ask you to be kind to me. I'll still do it though!

>>1578569
Ah, so it's more the changes and adjustments that would cost money. Well understood then, considering the time that'd take up. Thanks. I'm not sure I'd go for a full on model sheet, but probably just a front post would do me fine. Maybe some expressions.

>>1578574
Thanks, I'll keep a bookmark for when I'm ready.

>>1578627
>Ok so I'm also in the UK.
You need to go back.

>>1571312
You like bird girls? Do you also draw dudes?

I'm kinda noticing a majority of this thread is only chicks - which is understandable I get it.

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>>1578637
I can draw dudes! I keep it mainly girls in this thread because, you know.
I also do like bird girls but I've never drawn one.

>>1578644
what the hell is that head

>>1578627
Minimum wage varies from country to country greatly. That's why it is irrelevant.

>>1578644
that's a really feminine dude

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>>1578649
Sorry I get asked for fem yaoi types mostly. I'm on my phone so I'm limited, but I don't usually draw like, bears.

>>1578647
Artists should charge at least the minimum wage for the country they are in. It only matters to the artists, it's irrelevant for commissioners.

If minimum wage is $10/hr, and an artist charges $10 for a drawing, it is up to the artist to make sure they take an hour or less to draw it. How long they take only matters to the artist.

The commissioner doesn't need to know whether they took half an hour, or two hours. All they need to know is that they got the picture they wanted for the amount that they paid.

I also think that artists shouldn't charge minimum wage. They should charge at least twice that.

>tfw calculated that I on average make $7 an hour

That doesn't horribly bad until I realized it's 5 euros, which is less than average but a bit more than the minimum at least

>>1578614
/trash/ is too fast, but it did support threads for a bit.

>>1578663
>Charge twice that
Thanks Lucy.

>>1578180
>>1578182
holy shit where do you live? you need at least 3 times that amount for new york.
and double new york's rent to live in san francisco.

>>1578247
they should definitely up their prices if they're charging outrageously low for their time relative to their hometown. people tend to undersell themselves even though they too deserve to make a living.
of course, they should also be an efficient artist, and wouldn't take like 36 hours to do a sketch or so

>>1578614
I really like looking through commission info, sadly the only places I can find a bunch are here and tumblr

>>1578663
>I also think that artists shouldn't charge minimum wage. They should charge at least twice that.
if you're a pro yes, and then some. most wouldn't be caught dead for less than $25/hr AT LEAST. keep in mind they're also quite efficient and skilled.
also you're allowed rights to the image like for comic covers and shit

>>1578788
>did
why'd it stop?

I wish there was a list of series so that if you wanted a particular series drawn, you'd know which artists to try.

So many disappointing commissions because the artist failed to capture the style.

>>1579081
What series do you like?

>>1579081
ideally, a good artist would be capable of getting it more or less, good ref provided. that's why studios can have everyone do changing artsyles so consistantly. it does take a lot of practice with proportions, however.
have you specified you want it in canon style?

>>1579081
I usually convert the style to be slightly in my handwriting, unless specified that I should try to keep it as on-model as possible

>>1578623
It is against global rules to advertise of any kind
But /aco/ mods don't seem to give a fuck about forcing the rules here

>>1578561
Sure, I can help you out. Hit me up and we can talk about it. >>1572086

>>1579081
You should always ask the artist whether they can draw that style or not. If you're skeptical (as you should), you could commission a cheap sketch so you can gauge how satisfied you would be with a more detailed drawing.

Also, if any one artist interests you, look through their portfolio to see if they have already drawn something in the style you want.

>>1579204
Is it really advertising if it's creating more board content, though? Especially if the commissioners would post what they're received in these threads

>>1579246
Global rule 11
Advertising (all forms) is not welcome—this includes any type of referral linking, "offers", soliciting, begging, stream threads, etc.

The way that reads to me is if your trying to sell anything it's not wanted.

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Ah, now-now you do plan to have commission sheets in your commission thread, right?

Hello? H-hello, haaaaah?

Yes?

>>1579376
I feel like you're referencing something you think everyone should get, but in reality no one knows what you're talking about.

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>>1579217
>You should always ask the artist whether they can draw that style or not
I of course do that every time but many artists seem to say yes and then they miss the mark a little.

>>1579086
The ones that I really like to commission more of are Seth McFarlane shows and Rick and Morty.
There's not enough porn of them are there's not enough artists that are really good at the styles.

Even if I really like an artist, I don't want to keep commissioning them for the same stuff in case they get bored. Pic related is a different folder for each artist, although for some characters I save straight to a different folder.

>>1579432
No, *you* don't know what I'm talking about because you're an idiot.

>>1579204
>>1579246
>>1579258
think making a thread for yourself vs one for anyone to contribute in is different. /ic/ has self-promo threads

>>1579432
Dude... are you actually saying you never watched Jurassic Park?

>>1579435
>The ones that I really like to commission more of are Seth McFarlane shows and Rick and Morty.
I'm glad you let the world know of your shit taste.

>>1579486
If I had good taste, there'd be so many pictures, it wouldn't be worth commissioning.

>>1579453
>/ic/ has self-promo threads
True but the self promo threads aren't basically beg/asking for commissions

>>1579502
I would say there's worse because they have less relvance to board. here, anons post their most recent works or commissioned works, and come together to make even more. adult cartoons on an adult cartoon porn. there, there's barely any critique on an artwork/critique board.
then again, there's hardly any critique on /ic/ to begin with

>>1579539
Well regardless both threads are in rule violation

>>1579588
Sort of expensive for sketches, apart from that very detailed one on the right.

>>1579588
yeah good luck.

>>1579588
>$20 for that
No.

>>1579466
Oh. No, actually, I don't watch movies and rarely television.

I guess not having a CRT cube makes me an uncultured swine.

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>>1579601
>>1579648
>>1579653
I'm so sorry you're all broke

>>1579670
Well, it's just hard to believe that a guy who is posting in a cartoon porn board in the asshole of the internet doesn't have at least a tangential awareness of pop culture.

And considering that movies and TV are cornerstones of pop culture, in that regard yes, you're kinda uncultured.

>>1579683
>They should charge twice minimum wage in their country of residence
>We should raise the prices of everyone to justify our jewness
This is your result. People will eventually just be so put off they will stop coming here for commissions.

>>1579683
>I'm so sorry you're all broke
Aren't you the one who's asking for money here, though? Just look at the filename of your first image.

>>1579696
Good. We don't want cheapskates quibbling over every minor change and trying to haggle us down in order to get the most bang for their measly bucks.

>>1579683
I'm sorry you're such a Jew.

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>>1579696
Oh no, someone wants to get paid a reasonable amount of money
>>1579699
I can feel sorry for the hobo sitting next to me
>>1579709
>jew
It's called capitalism

>>1579689
I was in a ranching/horse-show family when I was a kid, there was no need for TV when you had 600 acres. Just never really saw the appeal of it.

When you don't sit in front of a screen for over an hour day after day you'd be surprised how much you can get done.

>>1579588
20 bucks for a half hour Sketch wtf

>>1579706
How long do you think it takes him to draw one of those sketches?

Let's say half an hour, being generous. At $15/hr minimum wage hat would be $7.50. Double that if you want to charge twice the minimum wage and we're back to $15.

That's $15 tops for his work. He's charging $20.

>>1579721
>Oh no, someone wants to get paid a reasonable amount of money
I'm guessing you're avatarfagging with sketches you're doing on the spot, right? That would mean you don't even take that half hour to deliver. $20 is not reasonable. Not for the substandard quality you're offering.

>>1579728
So, if you acknowledge that it is you who doesn't get the references, I don't understand why you would say something like >>1579432

It's not a bad thing to be out of the loop of pop culture. It's weird that you would assume that no one would get the reference.

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>>1579729
>>1579731
Really, why are you here if $20 is so scary?

>>1579740
$20 isn't scary. I wouldn't mind paying hundreds to an artist, provided they are worth it. You're not worth the $20.

>>1579744
But now the ones with a touch more talent can attempt to charge more.

>>1579740
It's not scary, you tard. It's insulting.

>>1579749
That would be the silver lining. The unintentional good to come out of this guy's jewish ways.

>>1579706
Remember that as an artist taking commissions, you are a freelancer. As a freelancer, your price is not a factor of your skills, it's a factor of how much the other is willing to pay you. Fret not, your skills are a part of that. But so is their budget, your attitude, how fast you work, your reputation, how much the next artist is asking (spoiler: it's less than what you're asking), how much art they're asking for (the more they need, the cheaper they'll look for), even their mood today.

Some people will tell you that your price should be a measure of your countries' average wages. Ethically, this is just, but unfortunately, it's ultimately meaningless. You are not on a salary, you are an independent freelancer. Your market has its own rules, its own measures. The only money you get is the money they give you.

Don't get me wrong though. It's you who puts the price tag on your art. Never underprice yourself. However, it's important to understand that you can't measure your price by how good you are, and you can't measure how good you are by your price. Set a price you're willing to work for. If nobody will hire you at that price, consider lowering it. If you get flushed with offers, consider raising it in the future. Of course, you should never change your prices after an offer has been made. ("You want to hire me? Great! I guess I'm worth more. I decided I want more money for it then." People will suddenly realize they don't want to hire you after all, or ever again.) You can update your prices for new offers as frequently as you like, however, as long as you keep track of what your prices were for each commission you're in the process of doing.

Never ask them to make you a price offer. It doesn't look professional, and most importantly, what they want is to pay you as little as humanly possible. You don't want to be paid as little as humanly possible.

Most importantly though, never work at a price you're not comfortable with.

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>>1579744
Really? Tell that to the last guy that commissioned me.
>>1579754
>quietly post prices
>insulting
Boy do you have some thin skin

>>1579755

I would encourage you to look at your country's minumum wage as a starting point. You can work your way up the ladder from there, but you deserve at least that much when you're investing your own time for someone else. If you live in a country with low minumum wages, consider charging more for you work. Remember that while your country's wages may be low, your market is a global one and that means your market's earnings will average much higher.

You cunts did this to yourselves. You have only yourselves to blame for people like this one.

>>1579765
>Tell that to the last guy that commissioned me.
Gladly. Tell me his name and I'll refer him to better artists that can deliver better work for the same price.

>>1579765
I don't care if you proclaim your prices from the rooftops, charging $20 for a $1 sketch is a fucking crime.

>>1579772
That's just like, your opinion man.

Art is subjective, which is why we all love different western cartoons as well.

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>>1579774
>>1579772
>when bottom feeders get scared

>>1579781
Have fun not getting commissioned. I'm sure you're used to it.

>>1579735
Actually, having no knowledge of the subject, I think it was more of a 50/50 chance that statement would be accurate or not. Completely random in that case.

>>1579731
How long it takes an artist to draw a picture is irrelevant to the commissioner.

MW is $15/hr. An artist charges $15 for a picture.
Picture A costs $15 and takes them half an hour. Was the commissioner ripped off?
Picture B costs $15 and takes 2 hours. Did the commissioner get a bargain?
Picture C costs $15 and takes 50 minutes. Was the commissioner ripped off?
Picture D costs $15 and takes 70 minutes. Did the commissioner get a bargain?
Picture E costs $15 and takes 59 minutes. Was the commissioner ripped off?
Picture F costs $15 and takes 61 minutes. Did the commissioner get a bargain?

It is not the commissioner's responsibility to pay the artist minimum wage. The commissioner will never know how long their picture took to draw in comparision to someone else's picture from the same artist.

It is the artist's responsibility to make sure they're making at least minimum wage.

>>1579781
They are just crying that you're not drawing dick pics of skinny runts of boys or incredibly unrealistic blown up fat furry women like everyone else.

>>1579786
Very much this

>>1579786
I think anyone who paid $20 for a sketch like these
>>1579781
>>1579765
>>1579740
>>1579721
>>1579683
>>1579588
is getting ripped off, regardless of how long the artist takes to finish them.

>>1579781
Again, you're creating strawman arguments to protect yourself against criticism. No-one here is "scared" of forking over $20 or more for artwork. Our gripe is that you think that your lazy doodles are worth that much money when they clearly aren't.

Put more time and effort into your work and maybe you'll generate the money you so desperately need.

Reminder that both furry pics and avatars are against the rules

>>1579768
>>1579786
No, minimum wage does not work. There are too many factors that break that idea. First, all the hard work and practice that goes into art. You're essentially saying if someone can flip a burger then they're as good as someone with a skill that can take decades of work and equipment that goes from $80 to $2,000. Secondly all the time not spent drawing is time they spend dealing with the commissioner. The time they spend communicating, waiting for replies, and waiting for the money to come through. Most people don't have enough work to make it equate to an hourly wage. Artists should just charge what they want. They can be competitive if they want, but that doesn't change the fact that there are people of varying skill levels offering work at many times most of the prices advertised here. This thread is just a cesspool.

>>1579804
This whole thread is against the rules, so just shut the fuck up.

>>1579812
Do that instead.

>>1579812
i'd buy a wall of sketchy reaction images for a dollar a pop

>>1579796
If you think an artist charges too much, you're welcome not to pay those rates and take your money elsewhere. That's capitalism, supply and demand, voting with your wallet, etc.

Someone else might be perfectly happy to pay those rates, because they like the art.

>>1579805
Artist's should definitely charge more than minimum wage. They should make sure they are making at least minimum wage by not spending too long on a drawing.

>>1579832
A load of quick sketches of a character I like would actually be cool.

>>1579834
>Artist's should definitely charge more than minimum wage.
maybe if there better than a amateur. Most if not all artists in the thread i would say no.

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>>1579832
>>1579836
>not being a complete faggot and getting reaction images of your original character donut steel

>>1579845
I don't have an OC, I just want to see cartoon milfs getting a dick in the ass.

>>1579836
Yeah, a sheet of about 20 character reactions for $20 is much more reasonable, especially if he can admittedly "shit them out".

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>>1579836
>>1579848
Real talk, though, aside from funny reaction images, there's this artist that does sketch pages, 4 poses for $25 and they are pretty decent, though the style might not be a good fit. I'm not sure what you mean by cartoon milfs but I'm guessing American Dad stuff?

This thread sure is something. Aside from the shitposting artist.

I personally wouldn't pay $20 or more for a sketch. No matter who it is. It's just not worth it. There are thousands of artists who could do it better and for far cheaper.

>>1579899
Good for you. Someone else might be perfectly happy to pay $25 for a sketch because they like the artist's style.
A "sketch" could mean two entirely different things to two different artists.


Commissioners:
The only question you really need to concern yourselves with is:
> Do I like this artist's style and would I be happy to pay what they are charging?


Artists:
The only question you really need to concern yourselves with is:
> Have I made at least Minimum Wage by not spending too long on this picture?


If you're not an Artist, you don't need to worry your pretty little head over complicated mathematical minimum wage science calculations.

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>>1577616
Yes.

>>1577632
Yes.
I feels like i'm needing a gallery so i made this tumblr with my older commissions.

https://lazerbones.tumblr.com

>>1577774
Commission someone else then

>>1579588
really nice
are each and every sketch here $20? from the bust to the full body pin-up?

>>1579947
>>1579683
Are you guys trying to become the next Lucy or something

>>1579962
I don't know why you bother samefagging, you ruined your rep here.

>>1579962
They're all full body, just bad at collages
>>1579963
Lucy? I've been doing this since my shitposting days on gaiaonline

>>1579948
It's incredibly lazy, misleading and dishonest to include those two sheets that you clearly didn't draw. Not to mention that you're not planning on delivering that level of detail.

>>1579993
You seem like you're capable of more than just these shitty sketches. Do you have any full renders online?

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>>1579962
I don't know who Lucy is or care to know.
I just answered a reply, leave me out of this.

>>1580009
A word to the wise, don't avatarfag in these threads.