> What is El Goonish Shive? A webcomic. The early years were awkward and sketchy, but it's grown into something awesome in the last fourteen years. > Why is it in /aco/? Loads of fetish material and a Patreon-funded pin up blog. The thread image is an edit of one of those pin ups. The comic is still technically worksafe, but our discussion of it isn't. >>Any links I should know? egscomics is the main page. egspinups is the Patreon-funded art at Tumblr. egs-edits, also at Tumblr, takes pinups, sketchbook entries, and comics and makes pretty good nude edits. There are a few good fics at AO3 as well, but any drawfags, writefags, or editfags that want to hop on the train are encouraged to. > Previous thread: >>925336
>>1090626 So he gets a spell that is just the Dewitchery Diamond on himself, so he can externalize any aspect of himself as another person temporarily? Sounds like something Dan would do actually, but it makes me wonder what spells Grace would get if she got a brand or used the power glove to have non-alien mana in any abundance. Her origin stuff is complicated to make powers out of she doesn't already have.
>>1107445 She may not be a warrior, but she's a sharp cookie with a year of magic kungfu training, overwhelming power and enormous magical resistance. Beating her requires high level trickery or a gimmick at least.
>>1109430 I'm not sure if I want Kitty's real name to be Catherine (Which Kitty is a legit shortening of) or, like, Jessica. Having Kitty be her actual name kinda seems on-the-nose, but then again that's never been a dealbreaker for naming someone in a webcomic.
>>1110741 Nah, it's just one of the more explicit occasions.
Ashley has an explicitly stated fetish for transformation, and Tedd is either the same or very, very heavily implied. It's just that Tedd's thing doesn't come up much anymore compared to his more platonic gender-issues and the explicitly altruistic research and development that he's been doing.
>>1110741 Are you kidding? Tedd has an entire speech at one point about how he's a gigantic pervert. (It's so that he can then flip it around that despite being a collosal pervert, he isn't such a lowlife that he'd use the x-ray function on his techno glasses to creep on people)
>>1117309 Of course owning a person is wrong anon! That's why you get their consent first! You find a cat girl and befriend them, you earn their trust over days and weeks of prolonged ear-scratches, treats, playtime, and hours of nonstop petting until they, of their own free will, decide that they want to be your pet cat girl!
Catgirls are amazing and it's like you know nothing of the subject! No dedicated study or even layman's knowledge! Damn this manga aisle!
>>1119867 I could go for a v5'd Charlotte, girl could use some love. It doesn't have to be lewd, but not being so seems like a wasted opportunity. Something sexy and partially naked should be best. Suggestive and lewd context is a bonus, but she would be out of character if she was confident about the situation.
You've pretty much suggested, by your pic relateds, what I would suggest ... Fv5 Greg x Fv5 Justin.
You can even start off with them wearing martial arts clothing. In various states of failure.
If you want to get elaborate, Ellen 'accidentally' blasted them and now stuff doesn't fit quite right. Well, melons! Then move on to other versions from there as wardrobe failure increases to full nudity.
Justin might not go down on Greg, but she may very well be down with Greg going down on her. Pretty sure Greg would be.
Take it to the mat, girls. Ellen and Nanase (and maybe Grace) could cheer on from the sidelines.
Unless you want to get into even more obscure side characters. Then Noah and (young) Raven come prominently to mind. Don't think I've seen anything of them as girls. Maybe they might take a shower together without actually getting nasty.
Maybe George x Justin ...? That could be interesting, seeing as they both are actually into guys.
>>1122151 I'd bring up the point of his mustache being one of his defining features. It's a very masculine feature, but while removing it does create a distinct feminization, it's paradoxically so distinct that it creates difficulty in even associating his female self with his male equivalent. There's probably a lot more you could do with other such features. Really, overall he's as prototypical a "Father" as one could imagine.
>>1142099 If just shortening her is too much, what the hell is she going to do? The only less intrusive thing we've seen would be disguising her, which she probably wouldn't even notice. Maybe she has another trick up her sleeve.
Casting an En-Booben Spell of that magnitude would be seriously dangerous to someone wearing a bra, given the information in panel 1 plus the fact that altering clothing size is nearly a separate spell.
Of course, if Kitty was NOT wearing a bra, just a shirt that could handle that volume change .... at a full run, it would still be nearly as dangerous.
If Rhoda can change the size of just a part of the body (as seems to be canon), then all she needs to do is shorten Kittys legs by 6 or 8 inches. Her top running speed would drop dramatically, in the two or three steps before she just flat-out trips and lands on her tits.
>>1139512 >>1145733 I really hope egs edits doesn't apply four inch nipples to these damn things. That not how tits fucking work, the nipples don't just scale up they get stretched out along with the rest of the flesh.
>>1144732 >It's canonical that size change tfs in any form cannot intrinsically pose danger to the subject.
You better re-read the on-going arc. Back up about ten strips to the discussion Rhoda & Cat have in the dressing room before she shrinks Cat. It's canon that Rhoda nearly injured herself with a size-change spell, but was able to get out her own clothes quickly enough by random chance of what she was wearing.
Also, I was making a fucking joke you retarded autist. You must be amazing fun at parties. You're "that guy" who gets the joke an hour after everyone else, then shouts an explanation out loud to everyone when you do finally get it, just to make sure everyone knows how clever & quick you are, aren't you?
Could you post an example of work that EGSedits has done that offends you so ...? Because, I think you're mixing him up with someone else.
EGSedits is doing some pretty fine work, especially his more recent stuff now that he's got a bit of practice & experience under his belt. My major complaint with him at this point (or maybe more of a comment/suggestion) is that most of his nipples look too similar. Some of the girls could use a bit more personalization ... there's quite a bit more variety to nipples than his body of work (so far) has suggested.
Maybe use this Heidi x Carol >>1092024 as an approximate starting point ..? Seems pretty pale skinned, so leaning more toward Carol.
I would suggest Kitty's hair color might be somewhat natural (rather than bright pink or purple). Maybe a light brown, shifted blonde-ish toward Carol's palette? Possible with a bit of ginger-ish red, like a ginger cat (Morris/Garfield). The gray-scale indicates not blonde or strawberry blonde, but maybe something similar to Justin in these: >>1136729>>1123737>>1119890 as a starting base. Also, auburn tones of pic-related seem possible.
Eye color looks light, so maybe red amber/gold, or light green, rather than a brown or dark blue. Trying to imagine common light-colored cat eye colors. Gold and green are pretty common, and lots of shades to choose from.
Nice. Good effort, especially for the material you had to work with. Guess we'll just have to wait for Dan to provide something canon.
Pic-related is sort of the direction I was imagining for possible color, from closest examples I could composite from a quick google. That dark amber left eye on the odd-eyed cat is what I was trying to imagine, as well as the green for the large cat. Those reddish/auburn, darker brown tones of fur also what I was imagining.
Not that I'm requesting a re-do .. not yet. Not for this pic >>1146280.
But maybe if we get to see enough of her later on this might be an interesting reference. I could really care less about tits that size. I'm more of am athletic B-cuppish fan myself. Like I said ... if Kitty makes enough canon appearance and there's material to do lewds of her later, be interesting to see what Dan provides.
_______ On a tangential note, I sort of see these girls from /wg/ as offering inspiration for what a real life Ashley might sort of look like:
Love the black hair & bush on this girl, as well as her exotic face and (for me) about prefect breast size: >>>/wg/6825230
This one made me wonder (for the first time) if anyone (girl or otherwise) in EGS would wear a light, semi-simple tattoo: >>>/wg/6826476 and we only know Ashley is "some Asian mix" in origin from canon ... Vietnamese &/or Burmese as part of her bloodline could be quite interesting.
Especially the breasts & nipples on this girl: >>>/wg/6827384 but her skin is too light; Ashley seems to have distinct tone to her skin like the Vietnamese girl. I could see Nanese having royalty-like, milky skin like that.
I like that shade a lot. I'd call it more a shade of auburn, but really nice.
As far as odd-eyed ... hmmmm. y first reaction is that it's done far too much as a worn anime trope. But, for Kitty being a catgirl amongst catgirls ... it might work for me if she was the one (and only) in the EGS universe. Assuming she became part of the ongoing cast instead of disappearing after this arc.
If you were to spend some time on that, maybe crop/copy a good example of her eyes and try a few combinations to get one that really works. The pic of that cat is dramatic but not necessarily good looking. I love the dark red-amber shade of that eye, but for character design I'd want to pair it with a perfect shade of green so they'd compliment a lot better.
And, yeah, not to ignore the EGSedits >>1146777>>1146790. Those look really nice, too. But, I'm really sold on the auburn hair/green eyes combo now. The background coloring and crispness of the image are pretty sweet, too.
I think her nipples in this pic work well due to the spell being cast ... it would likely have an effect similar to that. However, if she sticks around as a character and is worthy of more fan art & edits, I'd certainly want to see her nipples scaled back for her normal cup size, even slightly reduced areola in proportion. Going with the redhead theme, I'd want to study other redheads for inspiration on something that fits and is also unique to her in comparison to how most of the other girls in the EGSedits universe tend to look.
I really like the shade of color picked for her jacket in this, by the way.
Other possible consideration might be an edit where her white shirt has burst open in ragged rips & shreds and is in various states of falling off/open and exposing her. Makes me wonder if she was wearing a bra at the time and, if so, what state that might be in.
Panel 3 here has potential, with dialog removed except for her name "Kitty." What skirt/leggings color to go with her hoodie?
>>1148464 Spent some time browsing /wg/ trying to find good reference pix of redhead nipples. Not much luck, but a freckles thread gave up some girls as potential inspiration for character model/coloration for Kitty. Not suggesting freckles, just has a lot of redheads in it:
Make up is not interesting, but those dark, reddish brown eyes are getting close (a bit too dark) to the red-amber I was suggesting: >>>/wg/6803991
I think you guys are missing a few of the major r63 points of the attraction of EGS.
I can't find it right now, but pic-related was generated as a result of a conversation Nanse had with Ted (someone post link please if you find it). Ted tried & rejected multi-sets of boobs morph because he was focused on a personal aesthetic that didn't appeal to him. Nanse pointed out the morph is valid for how it feels, both the person experiencing the morph & the partner playing with all those tits.
Your comments are similar to Ted's casual rejection on biased and partial criteria.
To state it more directly, there are multiple facets to the transformations. Don't consider only the one that doesn't attract you; think about how it can work in other ways.
Assuming you're all guys, don't think about being dudes & getting sexy with another dude who is transformed. I mean, that can be hot for someone else (as you seem to realize), but that ignores the possibility of what it means to be a guy & transform into a female, and then experience different aspects of being female yourself.
Wouldn't you like to enjoy having an orgasm as a woman? How about if you morphed into a woman & get to have hot sexxy with another woman?
That's just the most obvious r63 example. There are certainly others if you start to think about it. The key in the EGS universe is being able to transform temporarily into other forms, yet still return to your own.
If I put myself in Elliot's position and had a super kawaii waifu like Ashley who quite bi, I can tell you that what sex either of us were at any moment wouldn't matter much to me when I wanted to get nasty with her. Probably the only combination I would NOT be down with would be both of us male, and even that could change after we'd been together long enough. I'd certainly go female and let her fuck me, both as a male and as a female with a strap-on.
>>1156207 >physically changing into a female several times a day >hot lesbian sex with his girlfriend >inventing dozens of female forms to experiment with >including changing into a cargirl >including a 4-breasted morph
Anon, I want to visit one of the partied you think isn't tame.
>>1159880 >not a rare kink >she's a shapeshifter into him as a person, form irrelevant, and they still haven't fucked >stuck in a rut >generic anime trope as fuck >he's not into breasted because he's a fucking casual when it comes down to it.
He has less kinks than the average poster on /co/. If he posted on /d/ he'd be the Elliot of the board.
>>1160893 >she's a shapeshifter into him as a person, form irrelevant, and they still haven't fucked I'm not so sure. Just because they spelled it out doesn't mean it didn't happen. I think there was some comment he made on a forum alluding to it, when she pounced him once. It was a long time ago though.
and continue for ~5 or 8 pages. Grace's comment about not being bisexual plus the surrounding conversation, in context, seems to imply they have already been having lesbian sex. At least.
There are some other events throughout the series, including quite a bit before Grace's birthday party when Ted's dad catches them sleeping together (literally) all curled up & cuddling. That specific incident may not have been post-sex so much as very soon before. My memory is fuzzy, but I think that scene was in the conclusion of Painted Black, where Ted & Grace probably just cuddled up together for comfort after pretty traumatic experiences for both of them.
While not explicitly stated in-comic (that I remember), it seems impossible that they haven't, and for some time.
>>1162139 I think Dan has said that it's up to the reader which is, you know, a huge cop out. But he wasn't going to confirm how far they went past cuddling. That might have been in one of the Q&As or possibly one of his mini rants.
Previous to even this, there had been implications of "interest" between them; Ted's dad even made one or two comments along those lines. But, following Painted Black, seems Ted & Grace probably jumped into the pool. Even if they didn't, it's almost unimaginable they haven't by the present time. I'm just suggesting that it was probably between this pic related and Grace's Birthday.
If it's "left up to the reader," then that's what I'm going to believe anyway.
>>1162244 I tend to think that Tedd was really excited for sex. Grace was his first girlfriend so we know that he was a virgin coming into the comic (The only character who might not have been a virgin at the start of the comic was Nanase). I think he and Grace got to the point of wanting to try sex, but Tedd may not have found himself wanting it by the time that they were both naked. I don't know. Maybe they did eventually end up having sex.
That may have been why Tedd's perversity has died down over time. He may have found that he wasn't nearly as perverted as he thought when he got to a situation where he was able to have sex and then toned down that part of his personality.
>>1164119 >I think he and Grace got to the point of wanting to try sex, but Tedd may not have found himself wanting it by the time that they were both naked.
Yeah. I remember that. Hooking up with a cutie who was digging me, we got a (mostly) quiet room to ourselves at a party, all excited-like we got each other out of our clothes, and then I looked at her all naked and said "You know what? This sex thing seems over rated. I think I'll just stay a virgin. But, thanks for the offer. Im'a go fap in the bathroom while you get dressed. It's been good."
>One might reach certain conclusions based on this pinup, and one would be wrong. Sarah decided to be male for a bit, and Tedd female. This afforded them some anonymity, and with it being such a hot day, they decided they could dress light and not worry about modesty. Later on, they got ice cream (as friends do), and Sarah got some of her delicious mint chocolate ice cream on her cheek. Tedd, being a stalwart companion, choice to thoroughly lick the ice cream off of Sarah's face.
>This was something they might not normally do, but again with the anonymity and such.
>Granted, it's true this anonymity might have gotten out of hand, considering the various and numerous... Things they did after this exact moment, but it was nonetheless just friendly fun among friends having fun with their anonymity. As friends do.
>It's possibly worth noting that they were actually seen by several people who knew exactly who they were regardless, but given that they were oblivious to this, that's hardly relevant.
>>1172090 >>1172676 >Girl sprouts penis for the first time >Wants nothing more than to just run to the bathroom and spray semen everywhere >Instead has to sit in public through increasingly steamy situation until she creams he pants >Desperately hoping to stave off orgasm as long as possible both because it'd be embarrassing and because she'd have to stop enjoying the teasing.
Hello new kink. I need some material for this scenario that really gets in the girl's head.
Not a tropical jungle ... trim, neat, maybe shaved lips, still of substance, yet tuck into a bikini bottom.
Still not happy Dan pink-themed her for this; I like her much better with an earthy green palette. Seemed more natural. Not suggesting anything so extensive as to re-edit the color scheme; for this piece just leave it pink as-is. Unless someone _really_ wants to do it for their own personal reasons.
I'll be just quite happy with a cute Ashley bush. Never can quite get used to a woman who is completely bare. Just. Ain't. Right.
1st reaction is: choice of character. Could be nearly any of them, but "getting in her head" means starting with which personality to build a story around. The mechanism of how they gender change is secondary, but developing it is still essential. Unexpected gender change at inconvenient time &/or location.
What first came to mind was Susan, or perhaps Ashley's gothy friend (forgot her name just now). The idea of such a self-assured personality that's a bit know-it-all & worldly lends itself to losing their cool (a bit) and getting uncharacteristically lost in the experience. If Susan, maybe she'd call Justin for "assistance." He'd probably be willing. If it's Ashley's friend, maybe she has heard enough from Ashley to suspect Ashley might be able to help.
However. Almost as quickly, the thought of Catalina and her hyper personality has a very serious attraction. That case could lend itself to Rhoda participating. Sure, she's into girls but, at this point in the story, all she's ever done is kiss Cat (probably mutual fondling going on, too) and they've not even seen each other naked. And, she loves Cat, so exact gender form might be a secondary consideration to being with the person she loves. Rhoda just strikes me as that quiet girl who is curious to try out very nearly anything, given an opportunity.
Cat gets gender changed. Somehow. Accidentally picks up one of Ted's watches someone neglectfully put down in the lunchroom? And Cat is trying to return it but activates it? In school? Panic ensues. During school. Emergency call out to Rhoda. Who activates Cat's penis, then helps to take care of Needs. In the interest of calming Cat down. And Science.
Stairwell, locker room, boiler room, bus. Bathroom is a bit too tropey. Needs to be Catalina-level ridiculous if you go in this direction. School roof (still an anime trope, but the thrill under an open sky has a lot of attraction, I can tell you from personal experience).
>>1174231 Problem is it isn't an easily exploitable kink, you actually need good writing and insight into characters emotions. It's *hard* to do good vanilla, easier to do something with just no flavor.
>>1180929 blonde pubes look darker when wet, also blond hair lightens in the sun so your pubes are usually a bit darker anyway. I've seen some bad instances of blonde hair/black pubes in art but this looks pretty accurate to me, if a bit stylistically mismatched
>>1182022 An antagonist is defined as the force opposing the protagonist. Due to the incredibly convoluted nature of egs, there is no central antagonist. It changes from arc to arc. Right now, Pandora could be considered a protagonist based on how centric some parts of Sister 3 have been to her.
>>1185231 I'm sure Sirleck and Voltaire count as antagonists, even if it's hard to call anyone central to anything. All aberrations are completely unredeemable, and whatever volty is on about murdering to get his way doesn't speak well of him.
>>1185231 >>1185512 Magic itself has been dicking with people the whole time, and is getting ready to do so much harder. It's a threat to everyone with powers except possibly Grace, and has a will of it's own, so it is the antagonist.
>>1187524 She doesn't strike me as the type to think that way... but maybe more that she'd try not to. At least, I don't think she'll feel that itch until it gets scratched the first time. Makes for a more entertaining scenario than a simple unstated lewdness, for me.
>>1189167 I didn't, I just looked at the page before that and thought "damn that's nice size and shape difference, it's been a while since we had a school arc with thoses two, I guess dan fiddled with proportions again" and then this, and I get to reread it with a whole new depth to tedd's expressions then again, I'm dense as fuck, I never get cookies
>>1186681 Eh, sort of an "environment as antagonist" situation I guess. Also magic seems to be doing all kinds of manipulations, and they don't seem negative overall. What Tedd's magical natures purpose is will be enlightening, I imagine.
>>1166059 >>One might reach certain conclusions based on this pinup, and one would be wrong. Sarah decided to be male for a bit, and Tedd female. This afforded them some anonymity, and with it being such a hot day, they decided they could dress light and not worry about modesty. Later on, they got ice cream (as friends do), and Sarah got some of her delicious mint chocolate ice cream on her cheek. Tedd, being a stalwart companion, choice to thoroughly lick the ice cream off of Sarah's face. >>This was something they might not normally do, but again with the anonymity and such. >>Granted, it's true this anonymity might have gotten out of hand, considering the various and numerous... Things they did after this exact moment, but it was nonetheless just friendly fun among friends having fun with their anonymity. As friends do. >>It's possibly worth noting that they were actually seen by several anons who knew exactly who they were regardless, but given that they were oblivious to this, that's hardly relevant.
>>1198463 Dan doesn't just paint clothes on. They're drawn with material thickness and (with breasts at least) compression effects. I found that the breasts didn't look quite right without a bit of sag. With a sports bra like that, they'll also sit a bit farther to the side. And similarly as with the new shoulder blade, a little extra detail there distracts from the relative lack of detail in a drawing that was composed with the intention of clothing being there. The consideration isn't whether "already bare" parts are the same, but how the overall image looks with the clothing removed.
>>1198463 See how the little details go from unobtrusively building the new image to subtly, perhaps distractingly wrong? Some of the other edits here have bits that I find distracting like that, so in the interest of raising the bar, I try to make edits look like they were planned that way from the start.
>>1200605 >Grace is at a similar angle to the camera and the underboob/sideboob line looks natural In that image, Grace's torso is angled about 30 degrees left. In the ice cream image, Tedd's torso is angled about 60 degrees left. It's the difference between mostly from the back and mostly from the side. Grace is also laying on her front, squishing her left breast to the side, making that vertical crease more prominent.
Tedd's breast is hanging slightly from gravity, which would produce a horizontal crease as seen from the side.This transitions to a vertical line as the view moves towards the back and the creased skin becomes the dip between the bulges of the breast and rib cage, so the angle of that line should actually be in between both images. But IMO that looks worse than the others due to the flat style messing up how the volume reads, so I elected to go with >>1198052. If I have time later I'll take another shot at making a diagonal work.
>>1201096 She's also not turned as far to the left (look at the shoulders and small of the back). This is the main reference I was using. At that size and angle, most of the volume is suggested by smooth shading rather than sharp lines, so it will take some artistic license regardless.
>>1204096 >Tedd isn't doing that, so the shape of the breast is more towards Sarah. And this is supposed to make the vertical line MORE prominent? I think that the disagreement at this point is less about what's going on physically and more about how to best translate that to the style being edited in a way that doesn't trigger anyone's autism.
OhBTW -- archive of this thread with missing images:
Also note: that Rhoda with her Cat pinup. If edited, it doesn't have to be a movie theater. Could be them chilling on a couch at one of their houses. And, Rhoda's choker might have a cat bell on it, similar to Ted here: >>1193365
Just for Reasons.
Hmmmm. Looking at that, made me imagine Rhoda teasing her cat with a toy mouse, or feather, or sprig of catnip ..... etc.
>>1216788 Lingerie would be perfect, if a tad difficult. Unfortunately a simple nude edit doesn't work well when removing the shirt would spread the titmeat.
>>1214972 If he were stuck female it'd be slightly more likely that they start fucking on the side later on. But honestly it's hard to imagine Elliot with Ashley hanging with Tedd and Grace and Sarah and not having it eventually collapse into an orgy.
>>1216972 Honestly, today's comic looks a lot like Tedd realizing that if she stays female she is going to ride Elliot like a stallion. That look and reaction Tedd has make it pretty clear she is attracted, and immediately after that she claims that she should probably stay a boy.
Which, despite her protests, seems unlikely. Tedd was miserable when being a boy was his only option.
>>1218385 She looks like a female him, but with more curves, and has since before he could be a she whenever. Could just be unresolved envy calcified with denial. Also, cousins are legal in most of the world and genetically safe. Tedd's just overreacting because of his existing image as a pervert.
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