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Darling in the Frankxx

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Tauburn, is that you?

I guess it's okay since no one watched Star Driver anyway.
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>>162078689
>no one watched Star Driver
What the literal fuck are you saying? KIRABOSHI was all over the place.
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>>162079045
Current general opinion is that it sucked
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>>162079541
The sexiest
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GINGA
BISHOUNEN
it wasn't very good, especially the latter half with wasted lesbian villainy. great music and fun to discuss weekly though.
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>>162079626
Lesbians were shit, but their bullshit lasted for like only 2 or 3 episodes.
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>>162078689
>I guess it's okay since no one watched Star Driver anyway.
What?
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>>162078689
When is this airing anyway
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>>162079948
We don't know, but the hype machine is starting right now so I think Winter 2018 is a good guess.
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>>162078689
What do you guys think of the character?
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>>162080164
Wouldn't mind her stepping on me desu.
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>>162079541
What does that have to do with whether anyone watched it? Current general opinion is that Naruto and Bleach sucked, but those were watched by tons of people.
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> I guess it's okay since no one watched Star Driver anyway.
To be fair Aniplex does everything in their power to ensure that you can't watch anything they produce.
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>>162080164
>Satsuki
>Noriko
>02
Does Trigger like this "bossy girl with hime cut" character type?
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>>162080164
It's not like there's much "character" to speak of at this point, but I'm definitely interested in learning more.
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>>162079867
>>162080272
Sarcasm, anonymous. I'm a massive fan.

>>162080164
I think she looks like a bitch. I hope she's a bitch, preferably of the "strong and independent woman who don't need no man but then breaks at the end" stereotype
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>>162080491
Goddamn, how does trigger keep making perfect designs? Too bad the writing will probably be shit AGAIN.
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>>162080491
You got any text from the interviews?
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>>162078689
>>162079541
It even has the same pose
Is Koyama even trying?
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>>162080491
They look like Captain Earth MC and Julis from Asterisk.
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>>162080491
>faggot voiced by Yuki Kaji

Man, that male uniform looks awful. Why is he called Hiro and she's simply Zero-two?
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>>162080555
A-1 designs m8
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>>162080618
Not exactly. It's more like Kimi no na Wa man's designs. Trigger handled all the concept art, too.
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>>162080504
If anything, she'll be lusting after the male lead from near the beginning, considering the whole "I don't want to get in the robot" from him and the "get inside me, the robot, already" from her.
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>>162080649
Character designer worked on A-1 movie
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>>162080491
J-jintan?
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>>162080559
via an anon from the earlier thread (1/2):
Producer (Trigger X A1 X Aniplex) Interview:
>Nishigori had been wanting to do an original since he finished with the Idolmaster movie 2 years ago
>Nishigori wanted everyone that had worked with him on TTGL, PSG and IMAS so he personally recruited everyone. Nishigori himself went to both Trigger and A1 and suggested the collaboration. Nishigori said that he wouldn't have gone along with the project if he didn't get both studios on board. Masayoshi Tanaka got involved via the A1 producer.
>Originally, Wakabayashi from Trigger was worried because it felt like the methodology of Trigger and A1 conflicted with each other but he felt that such combo would create something interesting.
>A1 is actually letting Trigger handle most of the creative process. Planning, design, concept, content; that is all handled by Trigger. A1 focuses more on making sure the vision gets to the screen.
>Aniplex Producer: Trigger is wild. Nishigori is inexperienced with action so he is letting Imaishi and the guys at Trigger handle that. A1 will make sure that the work delivers solid and consistent animation. Imaishi's crew creates exciting action sequences while Tanaka as Chief Animation Director works on the depiction of the characters.
>The entire work is basically Nishigori's wet dream. Everything about the work is Nishigori.
>The hardest part of the work was the logistics between the collaboration, but they've already sorted that out and have good organization.
>Trigger's culture is heavily driven by "design" that A1 does not have. In Trigger, the design process is probably what takes the most.
>Nishigori was all "if Imaishi doesn't do it we can't do this" and left the action sequences to to Imaishi's imagination. Nishgori wants people to watch the show and realize that nobody other than Imaishi could have done the action scenes.
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>>162080787
That's not from the magazine. That was in the Animate site. The magazine has another interview with Nishigori himself.
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>>162080559
>>162080787
(2/2)
>They let Imaishi go wild because they want a real feel of contrast with the human drama of the non-action scenes. They have wild action scenes from episode 1.
>There are some episodes fully produced at A1 and episodes fully produced at Trigger, but all the action scenes are storyboarded at Trigger under Imaishi's supervision. Nishigori himself picked which episodes were better suit for Trigger and which were better for A1.

Translated from: http://www.animatetimes.com/news/details.php?id=1502253579
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>>162080724
It's useless, that design is generic as all fuck. It could be anyone.
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>>162080819
Oh, my bad then. I recall someone saying we didn't learn much from it because it was all people who weren't able to reveal a lot.
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Is this Trigger's fetish?
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>>162080820
>>162080787
Very interesting to read either way and everything there sounds promising to me. But would like to see what was in the Newtype interview at some point.
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>>162080882
Pretty good taste, if so.
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>>162080787
I never thought about it before but Trigger really does put a lot of effort into the design of an anime
The only time they did something really bland was the LWA anime.
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>>162081078
Design-wise, the LWA anime was great.
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>>162081078
Their characters have minimal detail and are always off model
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>>162081133
What does that have to do with design?
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>>162080787
What are the odds of something plot-significant hidden on her nape or forehead?
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>>162081291
I dunno, Trigger actually already used both with Nova on Luluco and Noriko in Kiznaiver.
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>>162081133
Being detailed doesn't mean it's a good design by itself and something becoming off model has nothing to do with design in the first place.
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>>162078689
I wish it was white like tauburn though. Grey and gold look ugly.
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>>162080787
So the guy is just one of many clones that ZeroC uses to either consume and turn into a mech or let them pilot her mech form?
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>>162081500
I like it, evokes the feeling of the Gunbuster. Gives it an oldschool feeling.
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>>162080882
Mine too
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>>162081500
I'm not sure it's grey.
The way the illustration was created makes it look like the robot is in a dark room, faintly lit by the orange glow of its weapon. Just look at the red accents in the armor for clues. It will probably end up being just like tauburn - white and red.
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>>162080491
>>162080787
>a-1 isn't involved in creative process much
Good. Are the character descriptions translated yet?
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>>162080882
It's a good fetish.
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>>162080882
The thinking man fetish.
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>>162081959
>A1 focuses more on making sure the vision gets to the screen
Im guessing Nishigori didnt trust Trigger enough so he dragged A-1 into this
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>>162082038
Nishigori wanted the people that worked with him on TTGL (Trigger) and Idolmaster (A1).
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>>162082323
He means the 2011 [email protected] team, right?
That sounds like an actual dream team.
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do you pronounce it darling on the franks or darling in the fran xxx?
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>>162082772
I thought it was frankiss.
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>>162082772
It's written as frankiss.
Subtle reference to french kissing, maybe? The logo colors are white, red and blue.
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>>162082772
>>162082827
FURANKU TO TORIPORU CROSSU
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>>162082772
daruringu wo za furankusokusokuso
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>>162080491
Why does she need a pilot suit if she's a mech?
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>>162082958
They both can be mechs
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>>162080491
From Newtype:

All the FranXX have two pilots. The girl doesn't exactly turn into the robot. She connects herself to the robot and becomes its consciousness. She feels everything the robot feels. The guy has a typical pilot role. Together they control the FranXX. While the pilot role can be of any gender, the consciousness must always be female.

So in terms of control is like an Eva mixed with the Nirvash.
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Is there better quality newtype scans? these ones are fucking shit
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>>162083086
>While the pilot role can be of any gender
Fuck should have been only male to prevent yurifaggotry
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>>162083158
Then it would 100% surely have been fujoshit.
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>>162083213
What? No, then it would have been 100% hetbait.
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>>162083213
Never said anything about allowing males to be consciousness
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>>162079626
>>162079711
my dumb ass didn't even realise they were lesbians until I saw it pointed out in another thread but yeah, they sucked. The finale was amazing though.
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>>162083262
Right. I misread your post, sorry.
Well, can't have Trigger/Gainax without yurishit
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>>162083086
>So in terms of control is like an Eva mixed with the Nirvash.

No you dumb millenial, it's a Mortar Headd with a Fatima and Headdliner.
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>>162083086
I hope you aren't making this up anon but I was thinking it would be something like that. The girl and the mech seem to have some weird link from everything I saw and that fits perfectly.
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>>162083337
Not him but I really wish you would fuck off and stop posting in these threads with your FSS "millennial" bullshit every fucking time.
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>>162083086
Why would they relegate all the pain to the girl and not a strong guy?
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>>162083337
>Implying people know what a Nagano even is.
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>>162083457
>>162084242
>ITT
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>>162084232
There is probably some weird Freudian explanation in the canon of the show, like the Evas. But the real reason is Nishigori wants the show to be lewd with some "you're riding me, you're piloting my body, you're inside me" theme during the battles.
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>>162084242
That's right, I don't expect you millenial fucks to know anything about mecha before Evangelion.
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>>162080491
>Taller than the mc
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>>162084358
I have to wonder if you are just false flagging at this point because you are making fans of older mecha look retarded. You seem to have a mental age lower than most of the "millenials" you go on about.
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>>162084591
>gets called a millennial for not knowing a reference to an older series
>WAAAH FALSEFLAGGER

It's not even an insult, it's just the truth.
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>>162084711
This is the first post of mine you have responded to, I was already quite well aware of the reference. Your behaviour and attitude though is thoroughly toxic and an embarrassment to fans of older mecha. The way you bring up the same shit in every thread about this you come across, your autism must really be crippling.
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>>162084816
>I was already quite well aware of the reference.

>So in terms of control is like an Eva mixed with the Nirvash.

Yeah, fuck off. I don't care if you wrote that, but you should be berated to hell and back for defending it.
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Posting tauburn in a tauburn thread
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>>162084872
Telling you to fuck off with your awful attitude and shitposting is not equivalent to defending anything. It is just telling you to fuck off. If you want to educate people there are much better ways of going about it than calling anyone who is unaware "dumb fucking millenials". Your posts are just self-mastubatory garbage made to stroke your own over inflated ego about knowing a fucking robot reference.
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>>162084711
>older series

FSS is still going you know.
>He apes out on 4chin about FSS references despite not speaking enough Moon to read it himself.
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>>162085304
>The most comprehensive of JOKER Star Cluster "it is The beautiful terrific"
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>>162085304
cute!
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>>162083158
>yuri
that would rather be self-cest
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>>162085143
>It is just telling you to fuck off.

So basically the same thing I told you and your retarded millennial friend from the beginning.

>Your posts are just self-mastubatory garbage made to stroke your own over inflated ego about knowing a fucking robot reference.

Congrats, you just personified the Evageek argument the moment they get called out on their bullshit.

>>162085304
>FSS is still going you know.

Great. Where are the people here who talk about it?

>not speaking enough Moon to read it himself

Can you?
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>>162085304
>something started in the mid 80s is not an older series just because it's ongoing

Uh, anon...
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>>162054608
130 posts.
>>162042512
109 posts.

Discussion onterest for this is on the eh level here.
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>>162085783
No fucking shit, we only have some images and incomplete translations. Nobody will really care until an actual animated PV comes out.
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>>162085733
JoJo, One Piece,... anon. If it's still going and has an active audience, you can't write shit off as old.
Fist of the North Star is an old. This shit is still being actively published and even had a pretty well known movie made just a few years back.

FSS is obscure because no one translates it, not because it's some relic idiots dig up to appear older during internet arguments.
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Seeing as this is Nishigori's wet dream, do we know if Nishigori is a big fan of France?
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>>162085643
>So basically the same thing I told you and your retarded millennial friend from the beginning.
No not really. I have no problem with educating people. The way you go about it and your whole style of posting though is just garbage though. Posts like the ones you are making on this topic are the kind of low quality garbage that degrades the quality of discussion here. The way you come across is that you aren't interested at all in educating people or talking about the influence of FSS on the design of this mech just in making yourself feel like a big anime expert. And before you even think of going down that road this had nothing to do with a "hugbox" or any other buzzword if you just dropped the whole "dumb millenials" bogeyman thing you have going on and posted like a reasonable person you would be fine but currently you seem borderline mentally ill with some paranoid obsessive hatred.
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>>162085783
Most anime don't even get threads with more than 10 posts with this amount of material released.
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>>162086088
Anon, you sound ridiculous. If something was started a long time ago, it's old. It's about age, not activity. Doesn't matter if it's ongoing, it was still created a long time ago. Jojo's would be considered old but active. FSS would be considered old but inactive (outside of Japan)
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>>162080491
>literally asuka and shinji

Are you fucking kidding me, trigger?
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>>162083457
Not that anon but go fuck yourself, you son of a bitch.
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>>162084303
Underrated post.
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>>162086088
>This shit is still being actively published and even had a pretty well known movie made just a few years back.
You are pushing way, way too hard.
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>>162086447
>>literally asuka and shinji

Shitposters are going to say this in every thread from now until the first episode proves them completely wrong, aren't they?
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>>162087177
That will be one of them and the other will be anything good about the series being credited to A-1 and any problems with it being labelled as the fault of Trigger.
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>>162087177
you're not wrong, they've been trying to push this meme in the last couple of threads too
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>>162080882
It's becoming mine now.
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>>162087223
deleted my post because you're talking about the shitposters, I had a brainfart, pls no bully
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>>162087286
Did you misread the post or something? I am going to assume you did.
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>>162086322
>I have no problem with educating people. The way you go about it and your whole style of posting though is just garbage though.

Why the fuck would I want to write a wall of text to address something so fucking basic? I'm not here to teach any of you faggots anything, learn that yourself, instead of typing long-ass excuses for your incompetence. Someone said something stupid. I called him out on it. If you give a speech and fuck up, people will boo you. If it hurts your feelings, too fucking bad.

>>162086088
>FSS is obscure

No fucking shit, if it weren't I wouldn't have to say anything to these twats.
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>>162087358
I guessed so nevermind, it happens to the best of us.
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>>162087375
>Why the fuck would I want to write a wall of text to address something so fucking basic?
>Wall of text
"Anon you fucking idiot you do realise the design is clearly influenced by Five Star Stories" some wall of text that is. Again the issue isn't with being mean to people its just the way you post, the attitude you give off and the image you project through your shithead posts of the kinds of people who actually know about these things.
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>>162087506
>some wall of text that is

It wasn't supposed to be, did you misread? Would you prefer I call you fucking idiot instead of a dumb millennial? Either one is fine with me.

I don't need to write a long paragraph to explain where that other post went wrong. If you are somehow offended by a single fucking sentence, that's your problem. If you consider being called a millennial an insult when it is a basic classification, then that's just your own insecurities doing the talking for you. Don't blame me for your thin skin.

This doesn't even have anything to do with FSS. Just be happy that it is about FSS and not some more mainstream work or others would slap your shit 50 times harder.
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>>162087718
>If you consider being called a millennial an insult when it is a basic classification
Not him, but "You fucking faggot, you haven't read FSS, I bet you're under 40!" is a really damn stupid insult.
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>>162087718
>I don't need to write a long paragraph to explain where that other post went wrong
That was the entire point of my last post.
>Would you prefer I call you fucking idiot instead of a dumb millennial
Yeah sure. You wouldn't come across half as autistic. The way you are posting now you come across more like someone with a specific axe to grind against a certain group you perceive in a certain way rather than posting about this show at all. I mean you did this exact same shit just a few days ago. It seems like you sit in these threads just waiting for the opportunity to drag up FSS and Nagano to call people dumb millennials who never watch anything made before Evangelion in order to feel superior.
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>shes literally 002
Looks like big nonon though. Nonon was cool.
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>>162087939
Who the heck wants to be 40 or older anyway? Being an old fart is literally one of the worst thing to happen in anyone's life.
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If this thing is a success, who would be blamed?
If this thing is a flop, who would be flamed?
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>>162081133
>off model
What's so wrong with that? It makes for smooth and fun animation, what you'd usually see from Trigger.
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>>162087969
>The way you are posting now you come across more like someone with a specific axe to grind against a certain group you perceive in a certain way

Yes, it is the same retards who think everything that looks like pic related is a fucking Gurren Lagann reference. This is literally the cancer that destroyed /a/ back in 2007, and even further back with Eva. Not the shows, but the unknowledgeable retard fans who run their mouth.

I could throw out any buzzword to describe these types of idiots, so if "millennial" is too personal for you, go ahead and take your pick. You're all a bunch of fucking morons at the end of the day.
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>>162078689
>I guess it's okay since no one watched Star Driver anyway.
You're right no one did!
>Star Driver [1.2, 1.8]
It was the lowest rated series to air on Nichigo and the movie flopped hard. Its only brought up on /a/ because MUH BOARD CULTURE but the series was fucking shit like most BONES original shows.
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>>162080593

it's a """homage"""

w
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>>162080504
>haha I wasn't wrong I was just being sarcastic
Kill yourself.
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>>162088229
Nishigori on both. This thing is 100% Nishigori's baby. He even wrote the story himself.
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>>162088453
You really are just irredeemable. I agree with you on some of your points even but your whole thought process and attitude is fucked, you really do have some borderline paranoid obsession to the point of being toxic.
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heavy 'tism around here
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>>162088691
As if the majority of people who watch this will know anything beyond studio names. It will just be a case of blaming Trigger for anything bad and praising A-1 for anything good with the shitposters on /a/.
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tits are for plebs
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>>162088775
I blame our current golden age of technological progress, prosperity and peace, allowing old people to connect with the young ones, instead of just being shoved away for being outdated bothersome losers.
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>>162088829
Wouldn't it be the reverse though? Or will there be shitposts of which studio saved anime as well?
Disregard that last part. People are already shitposting about that.
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>>162080593
>It even has the same pose

And it wasn't even Koyama's pose to begin with, nor his choice of proportions, decorations, or weapons.
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>>162089062
You're so autistic that only Nagano himself could one up you
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>>162089035
Hating Trigger on /a/ is the most popular choice amongst those who come here just to shitpost. So it will likely be the way around I was indicating with people who like Trigger taking the bait.
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>>162083337
It's blatantly influenced by FSS, but you really could have expanded on what a Fatima and Headdliner is.
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>>162089108
Sorry mate, but this came from 2ch.

Nips already know.
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>>162089245
What do you think that has to do with your autism?
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>>162089331
Nice non-argument, got anything else in your /a/ buzzword starter pack?
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>>162089399
Nice obvious observation, got anything else in your autism starter pack?
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>>162089459
Oh no, how will I ever recover.
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>>162080164
>illusrtated
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You guys aren't even fighting about anything, you're just fighting.
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>>162089558
I think at this point the only way to recover from this dishonour might be seppuku.
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>>162088749
>I joined 4chan after 2010

Not that guy, but how about you fucking neck yourself before talking about shit you weren't here for. /a/ has gone to shit in the past decade.
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>>162089796
Who are you quoting?
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>>162089123
>Hating Trigger on /a/ is the most popular choice amongst those who come here just to shitpost
Aniplex guy alone has probably shat on Aniplex more than the entire population of /a/ has shat on Trigger.
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>>162089006
I blame our current golden age of technological progress, prosperity and peace, allowing irresponsible parents to let their kids on the internet instead of just being shoved away for being squeeking bothersome pests.
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>>162090045
That fucking guy, some serious autism there. I understand taking an interest in anime business and production and even disliking certain companies but his level of obsession and trying to bring that conversation into literally every thread is ridiculous.
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>>162090082
But the thing is more often than not its those that consider themselves the great knowledgeable well informed superior oldfags that are throwing the childish tantrums.
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>>162090082
I blame our current golden age of technological progress, prosperity and peace, allowing us to spend years of real time arguing on anonymous imageboards until we begin to communicate solely through angry shitposting.
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>>162090137
Ohrly why are you getting so upset then? Almost like you need your diaper changed.
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>>162090199
What a boring low effort shitpost that was.
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>>162090225
You realise you have to be over 18 to use this site it isn't a meme. This site isn't meant for young people.
Trying to stake your claim on this site for tweens shows you need a good banning.
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>>162090280
> This site isn't meant for young people
Nigger, this site has been dominated by late teens and early 20s since its inception.
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>>162090350
And little did you know that most of those people grew up and are still posting here almost 15 years later.

Millennial like yourself talk shit but can't follow through.
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>>162090421
>And little did you know that most of those people grew up and are still posting here almost 15 years later.
Reading comprehension, anon. I didn't say "at" its inception, I said "since," implying it still is dominated by people of that age.

>Millennial like yourself
Fun fact - someone who was 20 years old when the site was founded is still a fucking millennial.
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>>162090421
>>162090350
Just have to...get the last words in...against this anonymous internet person who probably is lying about his age! Can't fail now!
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>>162090508
Hes one of those little 16 year old fags that gets whooped 70-0 in cs:go by a 60 year old ex army guy. Then runs to /v/ and angrily types through his tears "over 25s can't play fps!"
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>>162080164
Looks like Nonon and Satsuki had a daughter.
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>>162090608
Nice
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>>162079541
DAZZLING THE STAGE
GALACTIC PRETTYBOY
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Porn when
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>>162090815
good character designs don't get porn, only kancolle and idols.
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>>162090861
>Your Name guy
>good character designs

pick one
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>>162079541
Is That a [email protected]#king Utena Reference?!?
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pv when
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>>162090958
Probably in 5 weeks. They're going to be showing CMs for the next 5 weeks so they likely are going to reveal the first PV after that.
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>>162089108
To be fair to the other guy (whom I'm not sure is the same as the millennial autist) when I first saw the thumbnail I thought it was some sort of FSS adaptation.

>>162089181
I think he's only interested in using millennial as an insult rather than trying to inform.
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>>162078689
>A-1 (good) x trigger (shit) production

So 5/10 mediocre product confirmed?
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>>162090468
>Fun fact - someone who was 20 years old when the site was founded is still a fucking millennial.
Man not to contribute to the off-topic in here, but it slays me how many times people use millennial as an insult when they themselves are millennials.

>>162090922
I don't know how common the sword from the chest thing is overall (I know the grungust from SRW does it) but in this case it's not coming out of another robot. Takuto is kinda Utena-y though.
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>>162092230
Yoji Enokido did write both Utena and Star Driver so it wouldn't surprise me if it was self referential or an idea someone else like Ikuhara had that he picked up from his work on Utena and then put into Star Driver too.
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Why does the MC look like a massive faggot?
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>>162089108
You do know Koyama cites Nagano (along with Yasuda and Sadamoto) as one of his biggest artistic inspirations back when he was in a teenager?

>10代の頃は、永野護さん、安田朗さん、貞本義行さんのインパクトと影響が大きかったです。デザインというものの面白さや強さというものを教わった気がしました。

https://www.froma.com/contents/life/9760/

Even with that you would have to be blind and in complete denial to wave aside the similarities of Fran to a Mortar Headd.
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>>162080474
I know I do.
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>>162092396
I don't think his intention was to deny it. I think he thought that poster was also the guy going on about millennials all the time.
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>>162080819
interview from the magazine also interview with producer but only aniplex's guy. and nothing new more than previous interview
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>>162092375
Its so you can self insert.
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>>162092518
Rude
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>>162083086
fake
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>>162093091
Nothing written on that page disputes what he wrote, baka, That isn't even the full article.
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>>162093091
Post everything pls
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interview
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>>162094070
Can you post a better picture of the chara designs?
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>>162091992
>To be fair to the other guy (whom I'm not sure is the same as the millennial autist) when I first saw the thumbnail I thought it was some sort of FSS adaptation.
FSS style mecha is only really possible in animated form in recent times. There is simply no way anyone was going to be able to afford a traditional animation style, what with it nearly having no straight lines anywhere. CGI made it possible.
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>>162093091
>shounenshoujo-tachl
I wonder how many MCs they will have
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>>162094484
Nigga have you not seen Star Driver? FSS silhouettes work gorgeously in animation. It wouldn't be hard to animate FSS (not the story itself, just the designs) as long as some of the details can be toned down, which they usually are on animation models.

Gothicmade on the other hand...
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Is the FSS movie stand alone?
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>>162095891
Covers the first volume, but omits some details so it gives it a weird atmosphere that doesn't really match the original and kind of fails to explain the plot.

But it's fucking beautiful so who cares.
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>>162095490
>Nigga have you not seen Star Driver?

Problem is that Star Driver's animation was inconsistent and MH do not move like elastic super robots.
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>>162096234
They move at subsonic speeds, to the human eye it looks like they're teleporting and warping their limbs like crazy. Star Driver isn't 100% accurate but it makes more sense than the slow-as-fuck turtles in the old movie.

GTMs move like mannequins so they would be even more bizarre to animate.
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>>162096704
Wrong page
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