Umm yeah not doing that.
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
Tsukihime Fun Disc: Kagetsu Tohya
Melty Blood: Actress Again Current Code
Rips of TYPE-MOON's PC games
TMDict, a compilation of Nasuverse dictionary entries
Well, Realta Nua is just a re-release of FSN with voices and shit. It also removes the H-scenes but you can patch 'em back in.
Ataraxia is a fan-disk thing so you go into that like right after FSN if you enjoyed it.
I don't think reading Strange Fake is needed.
Or you could just stick to UBW TV, wich is a really faithful adaptation and will give you everything you need to know for the HF movies, wich will essentially complete your knowledge of FSN. You'll still lack Fate, but it's the worst route anyway so you're not missing much beside
>UBW is good adaption of the VN
>Cuts away all of Emiya's internal dialog, which is roughly half the game and his characterization
>cut where Shirou decides to buy food for Saber and while doing that meets Ilya’s maid, Leysritt. He helps her buying meat
>A lot of the dialog is completely made up and never occurs
>cut a lot of the silly humor out and gave it a more serious tone
>VN had a clear progression when Archer was dropping his backstory to Shirou and Saber, from his life to his death. Talks about how he slowly adopted the "kill one to save many" mentality while alive, his regret over his ideal betraying him, and then his contract with the World and subsequent despair after death.
>The anime somehow misunderstood this and almost completely skipped over the first part. Archer talked about how he was taught the "kill one to save many" after becoming Counter Guardian, then explains how he made his contract, and then talks about his work after death. Almost everything related to his life as a human was skipped over.
>Lancer didn’t just prick Shinji with his lance like in the anime, he almost cut off his arm. The arm is barely attached in the final scene in this episode and Shinji notices how useless it has become, so he dreams of everyone losing both of their arms, and him collecting them, so he can feel superior.
>blown away fuck the rest except melty blood
Well it looks like you fucked up anyway.
>Make a thread to say I don't want to read a thing
>Zero's use of FSN's concepts are a lot more interesting
> Zero's use of FSN's concepts are a lot more interesting
You know you don't have to consume every piece of fate right?
I just got done with FSN about a week or so ago, just finished Fate Zero today
(I don't know why it's so fucking hyped up, I was expecting more)and I'm gonna read Hollow Ataraxia. That's about as far as I feel like getting into the franchise.
>Zero's use of FSN's concepts are a lot more interesting
The thing is that what the other person posted is nowadays just a tip of the iceberg, trying to play everything in Nasuverse would be rather demanding, but you can probably get through what was posted in relatively reasonable fashion.
Because most of the people who got on board with zero never read the visual novel, so they didn't understand that fate zero with repeating the same themes with a slightly different lens, so it was all new and shiny to them.
It doesn't even use half the themes. We only see the negative side of idealism in Zero and never see the positive ramifications
Same here, every faggot has been telling me to watch Fate/Zero and ignore F/SN because it's not as good. It turned out to be the opposite, I enjoyed Fate/Stay Night more than Fate/Zero. I'll wait for the voice patch for Hollow ataraxia to come then I'm done with Fate. I'll probably play Tsukihime after that.
Sakura best girl
>trying to play everything in Nasuverse would be rather demanding
but they don't make games anymore.
>They don't make games anymore
the tsukihime remake is never going to happen, is it?
>cut where Shirou decides to buy food for Saber and while doing that meets Ilya’s maid, Leysritt. He helps her buying meat
Most of your complaints seem to be about completely inconsequential stuff, this being the worst offender.
Protip: "they changed something, therefore it's bad" is not a logical argument. You have to actually explain what's bad about the change.
>have to learn japanese to enjoy the best part of the franchise
Why is this allowed?
>itt secondaries with the attention span of a 3 year who don't want to read
Obviously it's impossible to adapt a 80 hour long vn in 24 episodes. The VN will obviously be better.
We have saber Shiki. Only a matter of time until ruler or berserker Arc comes out.
>w-we're still working on it! Geez.
>other releases in the series
Don't play with my heart like that anon.
>skipping all the great voice acting
Come on now.
You can, but the voices are too good that they will seduce you to listen to them.
>you have to read a shitty novel from 1997 to enjoy Harry Potter
Do you see how retarded you sound? Literature is timeless. Nasu's a hack and Fate/Stay Night is okay at best, but the release date of something has nothing to do with its quality.
Don't worry anons, it'll all turn out good. It took me 3 weeks to finish the VN, with me only playing at nights but i got there. I do not regret it, was amazing. Now im reading ataraxia (about 80% done) then going to rewatch zero and CP (maybe tsukihime somewhere in there? TBD). It's a long journy but you can do it too!
I went with something with an extended universe and visual media like Fate has, since part of the argument against reading the VN is that there are other avenues to get the same story, even if it's truncated and misses almost all of the nuance.
yeah thats what im thinking, but i still on the fence about it. is tsukihime long compared to fsn?
I NEED TO KNOW
WHAT WAS IN
B L O N D H A I R
Tsukihime is quite a bit shorter despite having more routes. It's partly because there are no voices, but also there's just flat out less words. Just read it senpai. It's got that cool early 2000s chuuni atmosphere.
It's quite long but not as long as fsn. You can complete it in 40 hours. The art and old engine may put you off. But you'll get attached to the story pretty quick since it's very good.
I mean, how the flying fuck have you not finished a VN that's been translated since 2008? Especially since it's so popular. Also, the way you type just makes you sound like a huge fag.
Anons, did you first get into the Fate series by watching any of the animes or playing the VN?
I started getting interested in the series around the time Fate/Zero aired but most people told me to play the VN first so that's what I did.
I'm glad I didn't just watch Zero first like most people did because it would've spoiled so much about Heaven's Feel and the Fate infodumps would have been so boring if you already knew it all.
I thankfully read F/SN without knowing a single thing about the series. The Fate route exposition is a lot more interesting when you literally have no idea what it is even about.
- All the mana in the world is gone, Gaia has died out, humanity still holding on. Before her death she summoned the Ultimate Beings of other planets to come kill the survivors for outlasting her.
- Weak human foundation, heroic spirits can't be summoned. As a result, the Dead Apostles (essentially vampires) gained power, eventually creating the organisation Dead Apostle Ancestors consisting of the 27 strongest
- Story focuses on Shiki Tohno as he return to his childhood mansion featuring cute maids and tsundere imouto.
- Near side routes deals with external events/factors like Nvrnqsr Chaos and Roa
- Far side routes deals with the internal household drama
Kara no Kyoukai
- Confirmed alternative universe to Tsukihime, not sure if its in the same "line" as Fate or not. Certain mixed (demon) blood families in Tsukihime are just psychics here.
- Story is about Mikiya Kokutou and his relationship with the "murderer" Ryougi Shiki, as she come to term with herself and her nature.
- One of the earliest Nasu stories, so a lot of concepts/chara design are recycled from here.
- Strong humanity foundation, HS can be summoned, DAA never formed, but the members still exist.
- Stay Night covers the 5th, Zero the 4th.
- Apocrypha deviated from the main timeline after the 3rd war.
- Strange Fake is ..somewhere, but its here for sure.
- Heroic Spirits
- Major deviation somewhere. The first Fuyuki Grail War is in 2004, instead of the 5th. Ended conclusively with a winner.
- Male King Arthur/Mordred, female Merlin. Different universe altogether.
- Fate/Labyrinth is a sidestory to Prototype, but its another universe altogether.
- Botched ritual gone wrong in the 70s (implied to be the Dark Six summoning ritual. Dark Six is a member of the DAA). All the mana in the world is gone like in Notes
- The moon contains a large ancient supercomputer, most magus has digitized themselves and moved there.
I watched Fate/Zero first without knowing anything about the series because my dumb friend was all "hurr this is so cool muh Gilgamesh". Of course the ending confused the fuck out of me and he couldn't really explain it either.
Read FSN after that and greatly enjoyed it.
>- Weak human foundation, heroic spirits can't be summoned. As a result, the Dead Apostles (essentially vampires) gained power, eventually creating the organisation Dead Apostle Ancestors consisting of the 27 strongest
>- Strong humanity foundation, HS can be summoned, DAA never formed, but the members still exist.
Isn't it switched? Alaya is weaker than Gaia in Fate, so HS exist to defend humanity (Grand Servants)?
Or what, you're gonna call the board police?
Nasu on HF True: It (Normal End) was the only conclusion considered at the time. However, after writing about 2/3 of it, I found that the story itself did not allow such a conclusion. After that, I wrote the original conclusion, and then followed the story and write the happy end. Since this was Shirou's tale of happiness after losing so much, even if Saber and Illyasviel were lost, at least he should let Sakura achieve happiness. And this was the conclusion. Even though Sakura indirectly became a mass murderer, there was no reason to deny her of happiness. I came up with this idea that if one were alive, it was not bad to redeem him/herself while looking forward to happiness. Even though this was hypocrisy, I felt that the story itself strongly demanded this possibility. To be honest, it was the first time that I lost to the story I wrote. Yes, its plot was created with porn in mind.
Takeuchi: The image of those worms became too strongly attached to Sakura, and I think we did a pretty mean thing to her. ...We're making "Fate/hollow ataraxia" now, but even in that, there's been talk of how it'll be hard to dispel Sakura's negative image...
Nasu: Aww, I don't think there's any need to dispel it, though. Isn't it alright for worms to just be part of Sakura?
Fate/Extra CCC is Nasu's best work, easily. He described this as the culmination of the entire Fate franchise, and he wasn't kidding. No Holy Grail War bullshit, just the base themes of HF and ataraxia taken further than ever before in a new context (and with plenty of original material and characters to keep it fresh). It's too bad you have to play the mediocre Extra to get to this, because CCC is really something special.
And it's hard not to get attached to CCC in some way thanks to the great cast - every character is larger than life while retaining a genuine set of values at their core. A large portion of the game is devoted to exposing what makes characters tick and behave the way they do, and Nasu manages to not only make the characters interesting in their own right, with some sort of meaningful arc for nearly every character in the game, but to tie all of it together in the end with a central message about the nature of "love" that delivers a more than satisfying conclusion.
>Nasu: Aww, I don't think there's any need to dispel it, though. Isn't it alright for worms to just be part of Sakura?
Wow Nasu is a bit of a savage.
FZ resembles Heaven’s Feel the most and that’s no surprise, since the writer is the one who made stories like Saya no Uta or Madoka (apart from FZ purposely resembling Heaven’s Feel). Melodrama, lots of violence, meaningless suffering and whatever you are complaining about all happened in FSN, too. FZ ends where FSN begins.
To be frank, I don’t know why or what you are exactly critisizing or why you are so pissed off. Give concrete examples that make you feel uncomfortable when seeing FZ compared to FSN. And what is the status quo that is bugging you?
F/sn uses the HGW as a backdrop for the characters and themes, which nasu excels at. All the other fate spinoff are just DUDE SERVANTS FIGHTING LMAO, which is fun but not as memorable. There's a reason why /jp/ has had fate threads like every day for the past 10 years.
Fate/Stay Night is different from the later spin offs of the concept because the everything in the story had a *purpose.*
The point of bringing in mythological heroes was to ask the question "What makes a Hero?" and tie it to Shirou's own character arc.
Even the magic in the story exists to advance the theme. It's not just there to look cool (though it *does*) but each character's magic abilities is also a reflection of their character and personality.
I wonder what kind of magic basend on my character and personality I would have
Meanwhile, on 2chan's Fate threads..
Placing Heaven's Feel as the last route was a mistake.
After UBW i had already achieved the ultimate happy ending and had no wish to continue.
I barely paid attention to anything in HF.
In most mediums i would have scoffed at a silly happy ending like UBW good end, but in Fate you as the player is basically trudging through each possible path and gruesome end trying to find a way out of the mess Shirou finds himself in. It's only fair that out there somewhere you'd eventually find a happy outcome. It's the perfect follow up to Fate's bittersweet ending too.
I honestly do feel like a pleb for liking it.
But i just can't help myself.
It's not so much the harem aspect as whether it feels deserved
UBW Good felt like it just kinda came out of nowhere for the sake of having a good end, like Tsukihime's Arc Good.
HF True only happens because of Ilya's sacrifice, which is a compelling endpoint to the whole grail war thing.
Because HF had more suffering and pain compared to UBW. Which is why after all the sadness, people wanted an ending where the cast is happy. It's the route where Shirou throws away his ideals to save the one he loves, unlike UBW where Shirou reaffirms his ideals.
>any kind of Japanese media, in particular anime
>not expecting exposition hell because japs don't understand the concept of "show: don't tell" and subtlety
>HF True only happens because of Ilya's sacrifice, which is a compelling endpoint to the whole grail war thing.
And that's why HF True it's the best conclusion to the VN. Last Episode ruins it completely.
I agree that either UBW good or HF true are the best, but i'd have to disagree about the order. Playing through HF and seeing how hard we fucked sakura
not literallyin ubw and fate was fucking depressing
>asians and europeans look identical
it (the visual novel) honestly isn't worth reading in the existing English translation unless you're still in High School, have an extremely high tolerance for mediocre English, and/or can deal with numerous pacing and repetition issues which would make an entry-level English-major blush with embarrassment. Tsukihime is even worse in that regard, though it has other aspects which elevate it nonetheless.
Prism Illya is not good
>I've never played the VN nor watched the deen anime and I post on most /a/ fate threads and also shitpost on /fgog/.
this pretty much sums up the great majority of TM's fanbase these days
What the fuck you're not even a secondary. You're some kind of Quaternary.
Kaleidfags will tell you it gets better, but they are confusing quality with contrast and the latter parts of the series would be deemed merely "ok" if it were in anything else
>Japanese make a "show don't tell" anime.
>Baka gaijins complain because they don't understand it with cries of "pretentious !".
They won't fool me, friend.
The first season showed me all I needed to see.
So what's the deal with different fate stuff having different authors? I can't imagine that is conducive to sensible or consistent lore and worldbuilding.
it's not like it's anything new. KT and HA had lots of guest writers with most of the SOL being written by people who weren't Nasu.
Higashide and Sakurai are fucking hacks though and only Narita is any good
i did the arc route for tsukihime and it was a really good read(expect for that cringy sex scenes and the SHIKI bs) but i really dont give a fuck about ciel that much so try to give me some motivations for her route?
>Nasu: Aww, I don't think there's any need to dispel it, though. Isn't it alright for worms to just be part of Sakura?
Extella is a hodgepodge of some of the most cringe-worthy writing I've seen him submit, can anyone else say, "waifu-pandering?" And also Sakurai was a heavy collaborator anyway, so it wasn't a solo work.
The routes of Arc and Ciel are the near moon of Tsukihime, so try to complete that part before going to others.
i played melty blood so i kinda get thats shes a christfag but idk she dosent seem apealing, hanging out with arc on the other hand was really charming she really is a funny vamp
after i finish all the Tsukihime shit on my backlog i have to start the fate train idk if im ready for that shit yet.
>Nasu: Aww, I don't think there's any need to dispel it, though. Isn't it alright for worms to just be part of Sakura?
i liked arc as a charcter thou she was fucking great
>Nasu: At first I'd aimed for CCC to be something that can be enjoyed on its own, even more so with Extra. And that Extra can be enjoyed even more with CCC, like Fate/hollow ataraxia to Fate/stay night. But as I wrote the scenario, I became aware of a desire to state the "answer" of the Fate series, which has been continuing for almost ten years now. After ten years, I finally realized that "this is what I wanted to say with the Fate series." If I'm able to complete this, then there'll no longer be anything left for me to say.
Why did he lie?
The only singularity even close to overall nasuverse quality is Babylon, because it at least resembled a coherent story closer to original nasuverse themes. And even then that's like, 7/10 at most when stuff like FSN, FHA, CCC, Tsukihime, KNK etc are practically between 9/10 and 10/10.
First Five singularities are literally barebones mobage stuff that in many ways exemplify the worst of what was done to Nasuverse and contradict the original ideas it had. Say Pandering five times really fast.
Sixth is just fanservice to all the zero "fans" who bitched how Saber is not "Kingly" enough. Not to mention the worst gameplay encounter design ever. Considering where it is set at I expected something cool and more in line with Zero and FSN stuff and all I got is anime as fuck fantasy tropes.
The "finale" singularity was some of the most brain-numbing juvenile bullshit possible. Asspull after Asspull, while at the same time shitting one of the most hyped things in old nasuverse.
The remnant singularities are just plain average. Not as bad as first 5 or final one. Nowhere near seventh.
And even Seventh's strength is overall premise, presentation and story. certainly not characters. The only remotely decently written character is Roman and even then that's average as all hell when compared to characters like Shirou, Illya, Shiki, Saber, Shiki, FSN Archer, etc. And even with the things that are cool about it it is as far from Nasuverse as it can be and way into all chuuni high fantasy shit instead of mature contemporary fantasy stuff that most of nasuverse was grounded in.
And again that's 1 story arc out of entire mobile game. That is like saying Apocrypha is one of the best because Moedred's fight was cool and volume 1 is decent.
at the very least they gave her boobs back. i'd be willing to compromise if they just gave the vents back and got rid of the stupid necklace.
honestly, it's a real shame they even allow Takeuchi to do art anymore. he's painfully limited despite Koyama holding his hand through practically everything and his peak was in 2011.
I thought this was the latest one.
What is this?
and how do I download and play this?
Inferior slut, begone.
Because Fate/Stay Night is a 3 part story. You can't adapt the final route without adapting the first two routes.
Don't do this.
I recommend strange fake and ataraxia. Extra series once it's done and maybe prisma illya
But, even if you don't want to do any of those
WATCH CARNIVAL PHANTASM
We needed UBW to flesh out Shirou's character.
How is him sacrificing his ideals going to have the gravity it has in the VN if the audience doesn't know how central to Shirou's life those ideals are?
Without UBW, HF is about a guy throwing away a childish and pointless dream for a girl.
After UBW, HF is about a guy throwing away his very essence for her.
HF literally shits on all the character development the VN built over dozens of hours in the previous routes, it's a dark twist to an already fleshed out story. If you don't know that story, how are you going to appreciate the insanity of everything you know about the cast and context being turned upside down?
Not really, the Fate route moves like molasses. Shiro spends more time in the kitchen than he does in battles and when people aren't gobbing exposition at each other they're mainly talking about food.
The VN format is a nightmare because it tends to cover every single uneventful thing in some bland asshole's life in order to get to the good stuff.
Because the series needed to fall out of DEEN's grasp and into the hands of a competent Sakurafag director, or we would have gotten some absolutely rushed shit that fucks up the characterization.
Shirou throws nothing in HF he just heals his stupid trauma in a different way.
In UBW he internalizes it and makes it its own strength, in HF he gets rid of it and actually does what he wants to do without being bound by guilt.
Shirou is not traumatized, those war vet scenes that that imply he has survivor's guilt or some shit like that are an Ufotable original addition.
In the VN he doesn't get his ideals after he survives, he gets them years later, the day that Kerry dies. He didn't even consider the whole hero of justice thing until he was told by Kerry it was his childhood dream.
What are you basing those play times on? Like I need to eat, shit, do my Fate/GO dailys and knock a few out to Rin's feet and that's just on my days off.
>on his own
Fuck you, too many cooks spoil the broth. Nasu did write some worthwhile stuff for FGO, but that doesn't mean the rest of it magically goes away. FGO is not his project, it's a joint effort to shill other writers so Fateshit can keep expanding even more without care for quality or who's beyond the content you're consuming, as long as it keeps abusing the same Servant gimmick.
It was ruined the moment they decided to make it a Servant-focused mobage with gacha, and no amount of Nasu writing will ever fix it. He'll either move on to his own projects at some point, or TM will never be as good as it once was and simply keep churning out half-baked garbage, which is far more likely.
Why did Apocrypha and FGO Prologue get adapted before Tsukihime, Extra/Extra CCC, or literally any other unadapted TM source material? The good stuff doesn't necessarily make the most money. At least they keep giving shitty cashgrabs to shitty studios.
I don't even know who that is because that seems to come from that /fgog/ shithole, but they're absolutetely right about the relative quality of the orders, and how fucking disappointing FGO is as the current "big project" from Type-Moon, that's preventing anything not Fate from being made. Except Camelot is actually pretty cool, but as they say there, it's just 1 more fucking chapter in a huge game that required you to play for over a year to even get to it.
The thing is, I can totally get people who just play/enjoy FGO for waifu shit and the historical figures, because they realize it's kind of trashy, and they're the people TM is pandering to most now, with their 80% new audience.
I can't fucking stand "TMfags" who defend it as a product, just because Nasu decided to put half a year's worth of effort into it, as if that instantly redeems everything wrong with it, and places it on the same pedestal as FSN/FHA/Tsukihime/KnK/Mahoyo. Those same people who'd be fine with TM continuing to be like this, a mobage-centered universe where the original author occasionally writes something, and other people write LN spin-offs. It's garbage and not even remotely what Type-Moon is, it's the epitome of selling out all of your creative value for easy money.
The incident that happened in the III century AD split apart Tsukihime settings and Fate settings forever according to Case Files.
In FGO, Makiri Zolgen does not abuse his worm magecraft, he despairs and becomes demon god Barbatos ->2004 The first Fuyuki Grail War is delayed to 2004 and Marisbilly Animusphere wins -> Professor Lev awakes as Flauros successfully which in turn influence to Barbatos possession and the previous ones because he was the one who got the ball rolling.
Nah, that shows you're an idiot who never played the game. Meanwhile Extra has given no explanation why it has that shit on the moon while the other ones do. FGO does explain what causes the change because Nasu bothered to write Clock Tower 2015, before launching the game.
Protip: Japan old TMfags despise Extra and ignore it or make fun of it. Just take a look Type Moon Complex guy, the only time he brings up Extra shit is to insult it and the games. While they, I mean the Tsukihimeoldfags, really like FGO. Food for thought, right?
Except they are. Everyone agrees most of part 1 is trash. Everyone agrees 1.5 is OK but not great, and Agartha especially was kind of shit. You might disagree that Solomon sucks balls, but that just means you're an overly emotional retard that doesn't actually care about writing all that much.
>i-it was always sellout trash because it had sex scenes in it, I swear!
Hahahaha, every time. You're OK though, you're the type of person who enjoys the current trashy state of the series for what it is, it's not you I was complaining about.
>anything an ambiguous group of fans think is fact
>CCC are objectively the "ideal TMfag"
>implying Extra will ever be anywhere as big as FGO
Decent bait you have there. Of course they'll ride the dick of whatever's big at the moment, do you actually think that makes an argument of any kind? Jesus Christ.
It was a compromise, that still managed to execute the intended themes of heroism and ideals very well, and keep the dark urban fantasy atmosphere of Prototype almost intact. Point is, the hamfisted h scenes make up for a very small part of it, and the romances were actually quite well done compared to most VNs, regardless of what you think.
FGO is not a compromise. It's turning the franchise almost entirely into shallow self-insert crap, that focuses on maximizing the number of characters to sell over writing quality. Lots of lore/references on the side, and the actual important plot kicks in every once in a while, though it's still deeply tainted by the gacha mobage elements even at its peak. It's literally the opposite formula of what Fate/stay Night was, and it sells a lot more.
You really don't know the Type Moon doujinshika or artists right? Yes, Type Moon Complex is a die hard Tsukihime fag (there's even a disclaimer about his preferences and why he made Fate characters job to Tsukihime ones, due to his bias) over Fate before FGO came along. He and the old posse never got into Extra and thought the idea was retarded because first game was "FSN... in the MOON!", CCC was vulgar as fuck HF-shittier young sibling with retarded Sakura clones designs (which they constantly mocked) and Extella is just as bad or worse, even if it's trying to do something good. They got into FGO before it became big too, so you're actually an idiot to think this is bait. They do complain when they get off rails as happened with Agartha.
Whether you like it or not, FGO offers a completely new premise which they loved.
Turns out only the text on the mansion page and Arcueid Brunestud are new. They’ve already used the mansion.
It says “A pure vampire smiling—” Next to it is the classic “I’ll have you take responsibility for killing me.”
They don't mind the characters, but the setting is never really explained which sticks as a sore thumb among Fate. It shows Nasu has given zero fucks because in years he hasn't bothered to tell us why is Mooncell a thing here and not in other worlds.
A lot of few fans like it, though. I mean the Mahoyo/Tsukifags. They keep making fun of it and only appear in their doujin to be mocked.
Curious because Nasu says that FGO rescues Prototype outline before he caved into Takeuchi and destroyed his original idea which was always about heroic spirits battling enemies of humanity. Urban fantasy was the backdrop before shit hit the fan. The criticism toward a selfish Grail system which was spawned by shitty magi that disturbs their true roles and function of Heroic Spirits which FGO finally addresses in London. All that was going to be explored in Prototype too.
FSN was destroying his vision, FGO is Nasu finally doing what he wanted in his youth, comprising a bit because it's less shoujo.
Congratulations, you did not address a single one of the arguments in this discussion. But hey, your favorite doujin group likes a mobile game, I guess that validates your trash taste.
>FGO offers a completely new premise
What a blatant fucking lie. Just like Extra, you're a self-insert for whom Servants fall in one-sided relationships. Unlike Extra, the story doesn't attempt to address the protagonist's shallowness or background, or do anything interesting with them. You are a camera following events, that would be better off not existing. Unlike Extra, it has no VN-like narration, one of the integral parts of Nasu's writing that made his original VNs iconic and memorable. The premise of "Servants travelling through time to interact with other Servants" is no more new than "tournament of Servants in a sci-fi moon". Which is to say, neither of them are fresh, they're both boring, safe ways to milk the concept of Servants, which FSN explicitly avoided doing.
Don't get me wrong, I think Extra is a 4 or 5/10, but it had potential. It could go places, and it did when Nasu made a sequel that allowed him to explore more zany visuals and shoujo manga-like ideas, that he's always appreciated (read that newly translated interview about Ikuhara). FGO is fucking nothing, and will never be anything. It's sad that you think your opinion is validated by "oldfags", who couldn't even properly balance power levels to make their fanfics interesting back in the day.
Your opinion is worth less than shit.
Imagine FSN plot, now remove anything that made Shirou interesting and replace him with a bland self insert (which the Extrafags would deny and claim he/she had a personality' unlike Guda, even if their crossover cd drama shows Guda with a personality and Hakuno as a blank slate who didn't even have dialogue written by Nasu himself), add a retarded sci-fi setting without an explanation of why it exists. Copy-paste the FSN general plot down to "secret boss appearing to the end who threatens to fuck the world" and "tsundere twintail genius (A Rin clone)/homunculus magi" as helpers despite being enemy Masters.
'Sequel' is Sakura route with tweest where Servants are eaten by Black Sakura wannabe and Masters get focus with 'truth' reveals. Blatantly trying to copy the FSN narrative structure.
Look at the game cover for fuck's sake, it's "Buy FSN now in the MOON!" Extra was completely low effort cashgrab. But had one thing good: Nasu wrote it, so the lines and dialogue were okay, and characters interesting, but in terms of plot is barebones. Extella has shittier writing but it has a plot that isn't copy/pasting FSN and set it in the future.
They are not interested in the western market, and this has been known since years ago.
It's the reason why only different companies (and not TM itself) who have ever released anything from them overseas. Take UDON with Fate/Complete Material, for example. Aniplex with the animes. Dark Horse with F/Z manga. DW with FGO (and barely). Marvelous with EXTELLA and somewhat involved with EXTRA.
Marvelous/XSEED likely bugged them to bring EXTELLA overseas because they (Marvelous) are already known for localizing titles with a certain demand (and let's not forget the previous experience they already have with TM). FGO would be a great example of this with how they only until now released it overseas (and after bugging some people, more than likely).
Meanwhile, on Imageepoch... Kinoko even subtly said that they had some "issues" with that, so we just need to forget about it and enjoy (at the time) the announcement for Grand Order and other shenanigans.
There's a reason why the 4 main works from TM have never been officially released, not even for an anniversary, outside Japan. And it's the same reason always.
You're saying that as if Fate/stay night's themes and ideas are not equally valid to explore, if not more so because they were actually in a finished product.
Urban fantasy was not "the backdrop before shit hit the fan", the Beast of 666 is literally just the final boss, the entire rest of the story is urban fantasy. Just like Tsukihime, just like Kara no Kyoukai, just like Mahoyo.
>FSN was destroying his vision
It's an alternate take that ended up being far more popular, iconic, memorable, and frankly more interesting than "humanity vs big monsters"
>comprising a bit because it's less shoujo
You've gotta be joking, right? FGO is the furthest fucking think from an otome story with few characters there could be possibly be. Far more so than an eroge. Literally the only carry-over is the concept of Beasts and humanity's evil, which is just a way to milk Servants because that's what the corporate fucks behind it wanted.
And don't forget, you're not defending "Nasu's project". He wrote 3 chapters and 1 event, and used some interesting old ideas for them. It's not primarily his story, it's not even primarily a story anyway, it's a fucking milking machine. As soulless of a cashgrab as you can get.
I'm sorry anon, I didn't read it myself. I should actually, but I can only tell you what their feeling about it. I have no more clue why they didn't like it because I don't want to get spoiled.
Congratulations you're a retard who never played FGO.
>What a blatant fucking lie. Just like Extra, you're a self-insert for whom Servants fall in one-sided relationships.
Fanservice shit =! story. Thankfully, most fanservice shit in FGO is trimmed out the main plot and doesn't overtake it (unlike Extra), leave that to events and primate personal-My Room stuff which have shit to do with the plot. Not just a thing with Extra, FHA was 99% fanservice and 1% plot if you're generous.
FGO premise is of an organization that wants to preserve humanity and thus built an observatory system and recruited people to deploy as Master to fix aberrations in time which led to humanity extinction. It's completely and utterly new setting. It utilizes Servant not in a Grail War setting, even if there's a Grail fucking shit up, but as they were meant to be: as heroes who protect humanity. It's basically "Counter Force: the story."
Extra was just fucking FSN in the MOON with your Saber clone and `pseudo Emiya and Rin clone promoting it. Extella does try to do something new, but Extra was Nasu being completely lazy and reuse the same fucking plot with some 'new' characters who looked exactly like the old ones.
The starting cast of FGO aren't clones of anyone: Lev, Roman, Olga, Mashu and Da Vinci are all new. Sure you get your Saberfaces and Rinclones later but they weren't the starting and featured and promoted cast. While Extra had this shit plastered when it came out >>161839013
>FSN was destroying his vision, FGO is Nasu finally doing what he wanted in his youth
tsukihime, FSN, and FGO are all about the same fucking thing
maybe nasu acts like he's finally flexing his creative freedom but he really just writes the same story again and again because he's a hack
>And don't forget, you're not defending "Nasu's project". He wrote 3 chapters and 1 event, and used some interesting old ideas for them.
He wrote more than that. He rewrote America making it twice as long, wrote the Prologue, wrote some scenes (notably all London climax), and characters like Drake in Okeanus, Marie and Mozart in Orleans. This includes every single Roman scene and this is significant because to Nasu, FGO 1 was Roman's story which he dedicated from start to finish. One thing I would criticize (I'm not a mindless drone) is that he should have done the same with Mashu.
You all praise FHA when is mostly fanservice by guest writers. Nasu himself only wrote the main story which takes up less than 5% of the fundisc. Don't give me your double standards and claim FHA is a deep work when it's even more fanservice heavy than FGO, and sets the precedent about how this isn't the first time he does that. He writes what thinks FGO was about, and delegates the other parts to other people as usual.
>half of london scenes
>overhauled murrica after higashide turned the script and made it double
>90% last singularity that isn't filler cutscenes in every singularity
>da vinci event
>both halloween events
>the after scene of accel zero
I'm not sure who wrote christmas. I know he didn't write summer ones.
>never played FGO
Wrong. Keep telling yourself that.
>Fanservice shit =! story.
Wrong. The fanservice shit deeply seeps into core parts of the main story. The goddess Ishtart herself during Babylon possesses one of Fate/stay night's heroines, for fuck's sake.
> which have shit to do with the plot
They're still in the fucking game. They're part of it, wether you like it or not. They affect the tone, they affect the story, they're content that takes real development time, and space within the game. In Fate/stay night and Tsukihime it was minimal, in KnK and Mahoyo it's practically non-existent. In FGO, I'm fairly sure it makes up more than 70% of the game's content. Actually, most of the time you spend with the "game" is mindless grinding with terrible gameplay, that's part of the equation too.
>FHA was 99% fanservice and 1% plot if you're generous.
Oh gee anon, maybe because it's called a fucking fan-disc? You know, the things that go all out with fanservice after the original story because people want more of the characters, and sometimes have a neat main plot too? Christ, why are you even saying calling out FHA for "fanservice" as if that means anything.
>FGO premise is of an organization that wants to preserve humanity blah blah
Guess what: Extra is not a traditional "Grail War" either. They're literally the fucking same milking trash. Servants fight smaller monsters, then they fight other Servants. Oh boy, how original! Only difference is that FGO has the 72 demons as stronger "shitty monsters" (who are, by the way, lazy pallette swaps with a lazy plot excuse for it), and the Beasts as very rare special bosses (which CCC also had Kiara).
The fucking promotional main trio for FGO are Jeanne, Arturia, and Mashu. 1 whole new character. EMIYA, Gil, and Iskander are in the OP. Lev, Olga and Da Vinci are fucking irrelevant in practice, and weren't even promoted much at all. Roman wasn't promoted either. How fucking delusional.
>Extra is not a traditional "Grail War" either
Extra literally copy/pasted the narrative structure of FSN and yeah, that includes CCC. Do you have issues with reading comprehension to grasp this? FGO structure doesn't resemble FSN or its plot, while Extra was FSN with a change of setting. It doesn't matter if it's set in the Moon, it was the same old. That's fucking it. It never hid it either because 99% release main cast design were literal clones of the characters.
While FGO didn't show Ishtar to introduce the cast, what did it show? A Shinji and Sakura clone? No, Mashu and Chaldea people which don't resemble them because Nasu bothered to keep it apart.
> Lev, Olga and Da Vinci are fucking irrelevant in practice, and weren't even promoted much at all. Roman wasn't promoted either. How fucking delusional.
So you're a newfag got it. Go and actually buy the first release issue of FGO game. The ones who got an introduction page were all the Chaldea characters. Including Lev. Not Jeanne or Emiya. While Extra introduced... Shinji clone, Rin clone and Rani.
You're fucking stupid.
>1 whole new character. EMIYA, Gil, and Iskander are in the OP
A LOT of Servants are in the OP; this doesn't make them important, idiot. Iskandar and Saber certainly aren't.
Why are you pretending like this is a lot? Like it somehow makes it Nasu's work? Events with 4 fucking scenes in them? A few lines of dialogue every chapters, over the course of 2 years?
Why are you even comparing FGO to a fucking fan-disc? One that had less than a year of development time, and intended as only a fanservice thing in the first place? FHA didn't prevent Tsukihime Remake from coming out, nor did it make the entire Nasuverse rotate around itself. It's a complimentary work to Fate/stay night, and far better than it had any right to be. There are drastically different standarts to judge FGO by.
> to Nasu, FGO 1 was Roman's story which he dedicated from start to finish.
But most of the story isn't about him. You don't play from his perspective, or from someone who has a meaningful relationship with him. You play as a camera who follows around Mashu and other Servants, and it's suddenly taken for certain that your mindless husk of a character inherited his ideals and formed a bond the same way Mashu did. It's ludicrously bad, the opposite way of how to do a self-insert in any way good or enjoyable.
when i played it the story didnt make any fucking sense and felt forced as fuck and cheesy and all built just for it to be a mobile, also the gameplay got boring as fuck later on so i stoped playing. but thats just my opnion man, and if you can give me any reason why to give a fuck about the story please do tell
So you are delusional. Pic related is the first big FGO promo image we got. The Chaldea characters had short introductions in other media that most of the game's fans probably don't even fucking bother with, they were intended for old TM fags who actually cared about the story, and most of them ended up barely being used in the story.
Jeanne and Saber are at the start of the OP. Archer and Gil get way more spotlight than any of the originals there. The whole point of FGO was "if you like Fateshit, we have all the old characters you like here, and some new ones too". You can't judge it as being ANY better than Extra shit, it's all the same Fate/Servant Milking crap.
>But most of the story isn't about him.
Most of the singularities are actually indirectly or directly addressing his characterization and storyarc (and Mashu's) as well as the overachieving story. Orleans was "foreshadowing about the ending: the story." Septem was to show him as a serious commander. Fuyuki was all about him taking command of Chaldea just as much as you and Mashu stumble in your roles, the three characters came to terms with themselves there. Okeanus drops the first indication he's more than what it seems to be for the different reactions the Servants have toward him and his connection to pillar demons. London explores this further. I won't want to spoil further.
>You don't play from his perspective, or from someone who has a meaningful relationship with him.
But you do. Did you actually play it? This belief that is about the Servants comes from EOP who actually never play it. Roman, Fou and Mashu are your allies in the journey, and Roman has a lot of dialogue. They are always there and the relationship isn't static at all. The relationship changed a lot from Fuyuki to Babylon, with London and Camelot as turning points. You spent a large chunk of Babylon wondering if you trust him or not or if you hate or like him, when London and America was blind trust. In Babylonia, you finally realize he's irreplaceable and wish for him to join you and ask if he feels well or all right. Shit you didn't notice early about how tired and weary he looks. How he lies but does it because he is kind to spare you from unpleasantness. It's not a Master/Servant relationship, it's a relationship of a leader to a follower so it's not really usually explored in Fate.
Each singularity has a miniarc but isn't divorced from the general plot if you actually paid attention and Nasu did a good job with it. I think he really should have written Mashu all the time too, her characterization suffered a bit sometimes.
That's not a fucking relationship between charactes. It's a relationship between the player and a character, you "protagonist" is non-existent. In a game that involves the same writer behind Ryougi Shiki and Emiya Shirou. It's a lazy, cheap, and soulless shortcut, like most of FGO.
You relating each order to his character is incredibly forced as well, especially in the early ones, he is straight up just a funny sidekick who gets a line every other scene. Don't worry about "spoiling", I've sure as hell kept up with the story every time new content has come out since release.
I don't even know what to say to the fact that you don't think the story ISN'T about Servants. It's the story of Solomon, a Servant after he won a Holy Grail War. Every part of the main story focuses on Servants, everything outside the main story focuses on Servants.
And I forgot, the relationship with Fou also evolves. He begins to trust you and Chaldea people more and more, enough to talk and be comfortable. It's not like he was cuddly Primate Murder since the beginning. He began snubbing Roman's food offer for example, but later is mentioned he accepts his snacks frequently. He starts trusting enough to talk to or do check outs out concern (as he does with Roman in last Singularity). This isn't done just because, but because they all treat him as part of their family.
Fou, Mashu and Roman relationship with themselves and your character all grew in the journey. No matter if some Servant hogs the spotlight sometimes, their dynamic (and sometimes with Da Vinci) is the main one with your character. That's why the time temple was painful for the players because Nasu forces the main character to watch the three of them die without anything they could do to save them. Mashu is saved in the end but with the cost of Fou and not because anything Guda did. Humanity is restored, but the ones who worked the hardest to pull it off with you were sacrificed as compensation. It was meant to leave a bittersweet aftertaste. Nasu even wrote on his blog a short epilogue where your self-insert refuses to celebrate and is busy trying to hold back their tears locked up in his room hallucinating his meeting with Roman. Your character would probably do the same for Fou if you knew of his sacrifice too. Nasu has the protagonist notice that he was odd and "different" in ccc event just to keep twisting the knife.
If was a feel good game, he wouldn't stab the players like this. He would do as he did with Extella, with it's loli harem true ending. Instead, he deliberately chose FGO to be like most of his traditional endings: bittersweet. They won, but at what cost?
>he is straight up just a funny sidekick who gets a line every other scene
Except he had serious scenes since Fuyuki. What are you even talking about? Most of his comedy scenes happened in Orleans. In Septem, he's pretty serious except when he teased you for falling from a horse.
I heard that as I passed by on the street.
I had to laugh to myself.
A fish in a tank gasping for breath?
It's true a fish out of water will suffocate, but not fish in a tank, like us surrounded by moisture.
...... Then I thought about it a little more.
A fish left all alone.
It drifts, motionless, to the top, belly-up.
The water stagnates.
It grows dark with algae.
The dead fish opens and closes its mouth.
Not the same anon but I'd rather have no animation than boring, albeit competent, animation.
Same as Full HD vs. 480p. If the latter has better style than that's the one I'd like to have.
Not him, but this point is stupid. Then FSN is the story of a Servant because of Shirou's connection to EMIYA? Roman is human. He has no power. He's mediocre, confused, soft human being. "The story was a story of a 10 years existence." That's also in the game, when he's compared to the zenith of a meteor shower that shines brightly briefly before it fades away.
Solomon was something else, and Roman insists he's not Solomon. Roman's last act wasn't using his power as Solomon but, in fact, reject it and give it back. In no way he acts as a Servant. Shirou acts as a Servant more than he does in UBW and HF (where Rin blatantly says he's her new Servant in replacement of Archer too) than Roman is. The entire point of his character arc is "former Heroic spirits becomes a human being". We only see Solomon in a flashback, the character in the story is human.
This entire post is "it's bittersweet and a tear jerker, so it's good".
No, the very foundation of it are terrible. That's not how a story works, a good climax and ending parts can't save the whole thing. Sorry, but I'll never enjoy FGO trash the way you seemingly do. It's wading through a pile of shit, to get to a couple of gold nuggets, just a terrible trade-off compared to all of Nasu's good works.
I also still laugh hard at how Nasu had to publish the super special "secret" epilogue in his blog, because it just gives the protagonist too much canonical caratherisation. He probably thought about putting it after the main ending, or at the start of Shinjuku, but then realized it didn't fit at all. What an awful, awful excuse for a game. Cancer of Type-Moon.
No, there's a "complete" version with the voice patch, but also h-scenes and Last Episode. I don't know what the fuck it's called nowadays.
Good job ignoring the fact that Archer is an entirely original characters, whereas Roman's past "Solomon" self is more pandering to the "historical figures as anime characters!!!!" crowd, which is what FGO loves to do.
>Good job ignoring the fact that Archer is an entirely original characters, whereas Roman's past "Solomon" self is more pandering to the "historical figures as anime characters!!!!" crowd, which is what FGO loves to do.
First of, Archer ceased to be an original character when Nasu made him the embodiment of the unsung heroes. Also-
>the "historical figures as anime characters!!!!" crowd, which is what FGO loves to do.
This was literally Nasu's purpose in Fate, though? He wanted to write about non-japanese heroic spirits beating themselves up because he loves it. You're bothered that Nasu writing about why he came up with Fate?
FSN was a story about a nobody rising to become a hero to function among Servants. FGO (1) is partly the story of a hero wishing to be a nobody which functions among the humans role. They are obviously mirror stories if you remove your bias shades.
EMIYA was a character that was made up with Proto Arthur+Proto Gil as basis. Hardly what I call original when he reused concepts he had for those "historical heroes" and dressed it up as an OC.
>Archer ceased to be an original character when a spin-off dungeon crawler 6 years later made him the embodiment of the unsung heroes
Right. I guess the tragic fate of Kiritsugu's family in Fate/Zero is all meaningless too, since they get to be together as buddies in Chaldea in FGO trash, because everyone is a Servant until the end of time now.
How the fuck is "the embodiment of the unsung heroes" even a pre-established character, anyway? It's still entirely original.
>FSN was a story about a nobody rising to become a hero to function among Servants.
Jesus Christ. No, just no. I'm not going to generalize you as all GOfags, but it's disheartening to see someone who misinterprets FSN so fucking badly defending FGO.
None of their historically based shit carried over to Archer, other than, you know, using a bow.
Only stuff that carried over was parts of their "generic otome game hero" personalities, which were not in their original selves and are in no way the core of Archer's character.
This seems to agree that those playtimes are pretty average. There's room for error, but it's probably as close to a solid estimate of a playtime as you'll get.
>How the fuck is "the embodiment of the unsung heroes" even a pre-established character, anyway? It's still entirely original.
Unknown Soldier is a folk-imaginary character like the Hassans, anon.
>Jesus Christ. No, just no.
Yes, it was, that's his arc overall. That and his fixing his emptiness. Nasu said so. Go argue with the writer.
Not so much because of the ideals throwing that annoys about hf more his sheer negligence, the fact he loses his body and the implication that his own body was trying to kill him for his "sins".
That ask route is just longer and Messer than ubw true which has a good pacing and ending.
Because someone will inevitably bring it up, as it and Extella/Fragments/etc.. brought in a chunk of new lores, and that sets off the anti-GO autists, which then sets off the pro-GO autists, devolving the thread into meaningless shitpost that'll get repeated the next time a Fate thread pops up.
The vn is much better than the anime. Though having watched the anime will inherently make the vn slower.
The ubw anime skips out large chunks of the shirou's characterisation and the ending is better in it.
My litmus test for how bad a series is: the ratio between how often a series gets dicussed and how much of that dicussion is about the girls/waifus vs plot/content.
My conclusion is that despite not liking Fate, it is a less bad series than some other popular series.
>(implied to be the Dark Six summoning ritual. Dark Six is a member of the DAA).
This was nothing but BL bullshit. Go and hunt the Nasu quote. He never mentions ANY DAA. They don't exist anyway.
Reminds me of Danganronpa. After watching S1 I had to play S2 before I could watch S3. I had hoped for an anime adaptation of DR2. DR2 is a good game, so I'm happy that I played it. I didn't like S3 because of how (Spoiler)
Junko brought about the end of the world. Brainwashing through subliminal messages wasn't realistic.Apparently there is also a light novel called DR Zero which is a prequel to DR1. I think it's bad to expect people who like visual stuff like animus and games to enjoy reading novels.
Speaking of which: will this ever get updated?
Nigga the Fate franchise is one of the few lucky original VNs that can be fully enjoyed just through the anime adaptations. All other VN adaptations are fucking trash or incomplete.
Ufotable need to make the whole series into movies:
Adapt Fate route into movies.
Make a movie cut with fixed/reworked scenes based on fan feedback of UBW.
HF movies are already being made.
Adapat FHA into a show then later give it a movie cut.
All I want from ufotable are the battles from Fate. Every single one of them. Including the off-screen ones, like Assassin driving off everyone, Archer's last stand, and Lancer's last stand.
>Archer's last stand
So you want to see how the whole VN falls apart at the idea of a full servant not being able to achieve that which one of his arms alone attached to a ginger did?
So we can have 2 whole movies of people talking in a church or in an office to see who can win the holy infodump war? No thanks. Even one 90 minute part is too long for Urobuchi's 2deep4u dialogue.
>Beast's Lair: Useful Notes
>Complete Material PBWorks, containing much of the data from Complete Material III, and some miscellaneous other Q&As and translations.
>Tsukikan's translated sets of interviews.
>TMDict, a compilation of Nasuverse dictionary entries.
>This book assumes you are very familiar with TYPE-MOON's stories. If you aren't, some of what's here will definitely be spoilers, so be aware and tread carefully.
What is with all the unnecessary pauses? Like everyone always pauses for a solid 2 whole seconds after every sentence. It's fucking weird.
>entire mini arc to Rin,
>and another on Kiritsugu?
Side story: https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero:Heart_Of_Freaks
Fate Zero manga final
They adapted part of the cd-drama and UBW anime
2ch reactions to UfoUBW translated :
>Miura wasn't the guy for it. Now, if Sudou delivers a proper HF adaptation, I will rage to no fucking end.
>Fucking Miura hinted how Shirould could feel Archer's presence in ep3 and never used it again. The fucker forgot that Shirou found Rin in ep12 because he felt Archer.
>I'm rewatching the UBW movie just because and I love how they added key lines for the viewer to understand better the plot. It makes me appreciate it even more now. UBW anime failed in this, Miura failed because he is a hack. If HF turns out to be a better product, I'll be mad as fuck. Fortunately Miura got kicked out HF directing. The guy is a hack.
>Nasu saying he didn't want UBW and F/Z to be treated as part of the same story because they are not, then Miura saying he wants it to be a Zero follow-up.
>Nasu wanted to add new scenes and change stuff, but Miura handled it badly and it felt disjointed. The HF manga is a great example of adding new stuff that makes sense to add.
>The problem was in general that they tried to please both sides and came out wrong. They should have gone with Nasu's idea of a Fate route over UBW but Miura is a stubborn bull and wanted his Rin pandering. They had a bad call about the chosen route, HF would have been better too, but it was stuck for now after they tried that incoherent and inconsistent UBW mess.
>The booklet has Nasu version of some pivotal episodes and is far better than what Miura came up about at the end. It's kind of a shame really.
>Look at HF manga. It simply adapts a route and it's done a fucking good job so far so nobody complains. It's also self contained.
Kiritsugu is introduced to the vessel of the Holy Grail, a homunculus created by the Einzbern family. She explains to him her functions, abilities and reasonings, and is immediately at odds with him over their varying opinions on survival, self-defence and strategy.
Kiritsugu goes to Acht to complain about the homunculus he has been talking to, saying that he will have no use for her in the war. Acht decides to prove the tenacity of his creation and throws her, naked, into the depths of the forest surrounded by wolves, spirits and a blizzard for a couple of days.
After rescuing the homunculus, Kiritsugu is surprised at how she does not react to pain as well as not having a sense of anger towards Acht for doing what he did. Kiritsugu realizes that her only sense of self-preservation is to maintain function as the Holy Grail’s vessel, and urges her to find her own happiness and concern. When she says it is difficult, Kiritsugu offers to teach her, and she introduces herself as Irisviel von Einzbern.
Kiritsugu converses with Maiya, who asks him about Irisviel’s progress. Kiritsugu tells her that Iri has a great thirst for knowledge, and has lots of general info as well as having the ability to hold a casual conversation now. When he asks Maiya how she is able to think of herself as a machine and yet keep her sanity, Maiya is puzzled as to why Kiritsugu is asking her a question he knows the answer to very well, and he wonders whether a human or a machine would be better in battle.
Urobuchi's writing might be tolerable if you read it, but it's really pompous and boring when it's two people talking to each other. Every episode had a huge portion dedicated to unnecessary tell-don't-show conversations, delete those. Delete Kiritsugu's origin too.
gabriel blessing is not a good writer.
That being said, Hill of Swords was decent. Though, not the best as a Nasu fic, due to mischaracterizations and some mechanical errors, but an excellent FoZ fic, despite being a retread of canon. It was one of the first to utilize the large crossover potential of the setting and it showed the potential for character growth of nearly all the FoZ cast except for Saito, that fucking worthless garbage master of a character, which was never really utilized in the source material due to status quo harem shenanigans.
That's the fan translated version, unless they just put up the incomplete fan translation on steam which I highly doubt. Can't find it on cs.rin, nyaa or anywhere. I guess it's just not that popular or something.
Speaking of Type-Moon, is Mahoutsukai no Yoru any good?
Obvious samefag is obvious. She's canonically worm-free by the end of her route anyways, so nobody who's read the VN associates her with worms. Good job outing yourselves as cancerous secondaries.
Fate proper is a fucking nightmare to write a fanfic for anyway. You either get shitty original works that try to use or bend the rules of the HGW (basically what the official spin-offs are), or you get a story with characters the don't even remotely resemble the originals. Nasu is either a genius or is lucky as fuck that nobody but him can create anything remotely entertaining in the Nasuverse.
- Tomb of the Sun God, over on Beast's Lair.
> It's Indiana Jones in the Nasuverse. What's not to like. Fun two-fisted pulp action with a sufficiently entertaining nameless narrator. Action, wit, danger and all that.
- Battle Continuation, https://www.fanfiction.net/s/10046003
>AU UBW in which Caster has all but won but Shirou and Lancer aren't ready to give up. Short and poignant.
- Maybe I'm a Lion, by Dullahan, over on Beast's Lair
>A KnK/Prototype (The game) crossover. Lio's monologues and dialogues are comedy gold, and the rest is no slouch either.
- Fate/Revelation Online, by Daniel Gudman
>Ilya likes to play video games, and in the time she has remaining, Shirou is more than willing to play the new VR game with her. But when they are trapped inside the game, [Sword Art Online], they determine something even more distressing: Kayaba Akihiko is definitely a Magus.
>Or: SAO is a big experiment and they're caught in it.
I've reported it and about half the posts in this thread multiple times in the past 24 hours. Haven't the foggiest why the mods or janitors didn't nip this in the fucking bud after the first 5 posts.
It's okay you guys. Remember that Nasu said the Tsukihime Remake was going to come out around the same time it would get a collab in Grand Order! Can't be that long now!
don't forget playing through the shit psp games or ur not a real fan
Takeuchi got better with Fate and Melty Blood