I honestly can't see the appeal of modern main characters(not

Post the one with LN MCs in the right side.

>>161592565
I don't see any problems with subaru tho

It's self insert for the intended audience, thats why there are usually lots of girls around them.

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>>161592657
My problem is that they tried to make him somewhat realistic but I dunno I found him irritating at times

>>161592565
>that fucking pic
>animes
Get the fuck out of here. Also you clearly don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

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>>161592565
>hot-blooded
>good
give me the smart MCs instead, you can have the "hot-blooded" ones for yourself

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>>161592767
Jeez anon I just want to know what makes modern main characters appealing that's all

The issue I have with a lot of protagonist these days is the total overuse of "nothing interesting has ever happened to this character before the start of this show" setups, whether it be isekai faggotry or otherwise.

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>>161592565
This shit is getting out of hand, what did happen to having older protagonists and waifus.

>>161592565
>and somewhat recycled
Oh yea, I remember all these very unique characters in 80s cartoons. Very well written individuals indeed. No wait, that was [any other era] since writing in the 80s was absolute dogshit. Did you also seriously just post fucking Getter Robo as an example of a series that provided a decent MC/cast?

>what makes a modern character appealing
People either grew up or received a proper education so pseudo self insert mains who are "manly" and yell all the time dont appeal to them anymore. Its possible to swallow that for a movie, but an 20ep+ show? Id rather put a gun to my head. I cant fathom how anyone above the age of 20 could possibly think that Ryouma, Ryouor Kenshirou are enjoyable to follow. Back then the theme was manly, now its flustered beta. Neither of them is good unless you suffer from braindamage. Both groups self-inserts.

the exorcist organization in tokyo ghoul did nothing wrong. not only are 99% of ghouls still violent, predatory cannibals who abduct and murder innocent people off the street, but one out of the like 4 ghouls who try to act like they're domesticated enough to live amongst humans had a psychotic break and became the edgiest edgelord in tokyo.

>>161592926
Does self-insert actually mean anything at this point? It seems like it's just shorthand for "author wanted me to relate to the protagonist, but it didn't happen".

>>161592926
>and somewhat recycled Oh yea, I remember all these very unique characters in 80s cartoons

Stop right there, not him but even the 90's and early 2000s had some really memorable characters.

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>>161592926
Anon chill I just asked a question,what makes modern main characters appealing? I just need to know,chill

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>>161592565
Three of those are basically harem protags.

Old anime main characters are ugly.

>>161593022
people may relate to a character and see things through that character's perspective (whether they agree with that character's thoughts and actions or not); said characters aren't designed to match a particular demographic or to please as many readers/viewers as possible (and in order to do so, removing "disagreeable" elements as much as possible).

>>161592565

Different source materials getting adaptations. The ones on the left don't get much anime adaptations anymore since LN shit is more popular.

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>>161593285
False.

>>161593439
Ugly as fuck.

>>161593057
Then I guess that I shit talked 80s characters. Maybe finish reading a post before responding you mongrel.

>>161593022
Whats the argument for the left characters being more likeable than the right ones? That they are manyl and have certain values isnt it? You will automatically project your own values onto a character no matter what, thats what makes you like or dislike someone. If he acts retarded then he only does so because you THINK he does. Someone who can relate wont share that opinion. Thats essentailly what I am getting at.

>>161593141
The same things that made the cahracters you think of as good did. You just like the older ones more than the current ones because the current ones are more appealing to a certain group of people that you apparently arent part of. This isnt rocketscience, the characters havent become worse written individuals (quite the contrary to be honest). They simply dont align with what you consider "serviceable" anymore. You apparently want buffed guys with little to no clothing who yell. Well, that time is past, at least for the most part.

>>161593439
Not even Ryous physique is attractive in any form or shape. Go back to /fit/ since that place is the only place in the world that believes that musclemass correlates with attractiveness.

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>>161593493
Ryo Saeba is a handsome man

>>161593553
Jackie Chan is the only good Ryo Saeba iteration.

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>>161593620
What about Jackie Li?

>>161593537
Fujo pls

>>161592926
>hating kenshiro
Get the fuck out

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I don't see anything wrong with where our protagonists went, they stopped being pussy bitches.

>>161593940
i love this meme so much it pains me

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>>161593537
Damn anon, insecure much?

>>161594087
No, but unlike you I actually am attractive and know that the only rule you need to follow is not be fat. Past that all that matter are your face, your sense of fashion and who you are. You physique is irrelevant to anyone who doesnt have a sub 100IQ. If you want to gain muscles because you want to be stronger, then thats fine, but please dont delude yourself into believing that it makes you more attractive. Kenshirou and Ryou are the epitome of unatttractive males in regards to physique.

>>161593981
And only sub 80 IQ mongrels like the average "manly" 80s designs. Whats youre point? Both styles cater to certain groups. Has to suck to be you when you cant even look past the physique of a character. Not gonna say that modern characters are likeable, but holy hell even the average harem protag has more depth than what we got in the 80s. Youre not even the person who is fucked most. I am into space operas and historical shows with a focus on politics and dialogue. I get one of those every what? 5 years? You at least have your "manly" brainlet trash once a sesaon or can just watch Dragonball to fill the void.

>>161592565
Subaru is a good character with a lot of development, he just isn't appealing to many people (me included) because he's a terrible person having a slow mental breakdown.
Also I haven't watched the TG anime, but going by the manga he's a terrible example of what you're trying to portray for many reasons.

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>>161594214
>Kenshirou and Ryou are the epitome of unatttractive males in regards to physique.

Anon, I never before saw someone that could cram so much shit into a single post. I don't know if I am impressed or absolutely disgusted, but in either way you earned it, you colossal faggot.

>>161594354
The perfect male physique has been static ever since the Greeks defined it. That has not changed and it will mostly likely never change. So like I said, go ahead, chug another protein shake, eat 6 appropriately sized meals a day, try to gain more and more musclemass, but please dont ever call yourself attractive. You arent, and if you still havent realized that then you will never be.

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>>161594214
Damn anon, I'm flattered you think I'm into bodybuilding or some shit. But no, I just know what I find sexually attractive.

>>161593981
>cuck

Found the crossboarder. Please lurk more before posting on /a/. For such context, we usually use "beta faggots".

Ignoring the fact that this bait image contrasts characters from 3 decades to one
Most anime from back then had shitty mcs like amuro or ataru and literal children non-dimensional MCs most of the time

Anime with adult characters nowadays aren't usually made for action drip-feed brainlets

>>161594504
>don't use that ugly /pol/ terminology, use dated /r9k/ terminology instead

>>161592565
Nostalgia, with a few exceptions the old protagonists weren't that different from nowadays.
Just as shallow and lacking in personality.

>>161594538
>"beta faggots"
>/r9k/

How new are you? /a/'s been using beta faggots since forever.

>>161594460
>The perfect male physique
it looks masculine and has muscles.

>>161593940
I cant help it to love that pic of shinji so much

>>161594584
Yes, shortly after /r9k/'s inception and it permeating every other board along with the retarded misogynist ideology of dear old athens.
/a/ was always the last to pick things up and the last to let go of them

>>161593537
sounds like you'd be better off going to >>>/fit/, you insecure fatboy

Market orientation. Making protagonist younger strikes better sales with target audience. You are not the target audience. However that's not a bad thing either, it's just you who's into wrong field of entertainment.

>>161594790
Being /fit/ and still sad because you can't touch your waifu is the true patrician way to live.

>>161592565
And i can't see the appeal of the older main characters. They were literally and ironically incredibly incredibly bland and cheesy.
>>161594582
Exactly, hell even more so except for a few exceptions.

>>161594890
You'd have to be baiting or just ignorant to think that Joe Yabuki was a bland character.

>>161592565
>lack of development
>MC having harem
Subaru doesn't have those.

>>161595828
That's because OP didn't watch it.

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>>161592565
>Before a lot of main characters were more mature and have more development and story to their character itself
>Puts Subaru and Kaneki who have lots of character development on the modern characters.

>>161592565
but joe is dead and guts was raped by a nigger.

>>161595893
Fuck off moefag.

>>161594890
And modern ones arent? Because i am getting sick of these beta faggot MCs.
Where is my Onizuka

>>161596032
>joe is dead
So?

>>161595893
Based on your image its pretty clear what kind of person you are.

>>161595828
>>161595893
He still is beta faggot

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>>161596153
You basically want Subaru to become like the archbishop of greed then, and he is NOT a good guy.

>>161596153
Aiight but why though?

>>161596258
Are you retarded?
Being an alpha guy doesn't mean to be evil and shit, that's stupid.

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>>161596153
>Subaru closes his hands around Larry's skinny neck, squeezing down as he presses Larry's back against the wall. Larry struggles as he is lifted up against the wall, the force on his neck compounding as Subaru strangles him.
>He is raised until he is on even eye level with Subaru. Larry's eyes bulge as he is choked, his mouth flapping open and shut in search of oxygen. But his windpipe has been forcibly blocked, and Larry will not be saved.
>“Now do you realise how many times I've met you guys total?”
>“Khhg, hgh...”
>“Eighty-eight. Good for you how your share's always increasing. You're meant to laugh.”
>Says Subaru as he glares at Larry's face—growing bloodier, and running with spit and tears.
>Larry has no leeway to say anything, of course. Actually forget about leeway—having lost any capacity to resist, his body falls limp and Subaru dumps him to the ground.
>After looking down at the defeated trio, Subaru starts stomping their necks just in case. Once he feels the crunch of something breaking beneath his sneaker's heel, he can relax.
>Tom has such a big neck that it takes five good stomps to do it. Subaru just can't get the trick down for this guy. Though every so often his luck is good and he does get them all in one go.
>“Wasn't smart to strangle him. ...Feels gross too, won't do it again.”

----

>The spillovers of battle echo behind him, distant.
>Buildings collapse one after another throughout the blazing Capital, shrieks and wails echoing through. Children calling for parents, parents calling for children, men calling for women, women calling for men in the screeching pandemonium.
>Yes. This is the hell that Subaru created.
>Created this, destroyed Reinhardt's false image, and achieved his goal.
Does this count?

>>161592565
Subaru is a better MC than all of those on the left

One is reachable for the contemporary japanese male.

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>>161596399
Then what do you want? What is alpha to you? Punching women who talk shit? Being a dad? Trying to fight fate? Becoming a leader through hard work and training? Pulling his partially dismembered body to his oni waifu to die beside after trying to save a child? Making jokes and puns about how he lost an eye and being killed multiple times for the sake of his kekkaiku?

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>>161596603
It's learning how to box.

>>161596494
Not him but taking the ayamatsu into account is a strech

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>>161596494
Too bad ayamatsu was not the permanent. Edgy as fuck, but fun as hell.

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People get dumber over time, it's a natural cycle. As people get dumber, anime needs to pander to the dumber people.

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>>161592926
>No wait, that was [any other era] since writing in the 80s was absolute dogshit.

Grow up. 80s writing ruled, it was very simple, but also very effective and well crafted. Allot of modern writers try to make their characters deep and nuanced, but fuck it up so hard that they just come off as silly or totally bland because of how beta they are written to be ( like Emiya from FSN, or every Isekai harem protagonist ever).

>>161594214

> You physique is irrelevant to anyone who doesnt have a sub 100IQ.

Twigs don't get laid, you don't have to be Kenshiro, but women do expect you to be in shape man.

>Most anime from back then had shitty mcs like amuro

How is Amuro a bad protagonist ?

What I do find interesting is that, in the 70s and 80s we had allot of muscle bound heroic protagonists, and yet this was an ideal that Japanese young males were not reaching for the most part. The 90s and even some parts of the early 00s had a bit more appeal to the edgy, criminal, outsider type - allot of cyberpunk rebels, space cowboy criminals and the like. Yet again, that is not what young Japanese men were like. Now half the MCs are shrimpy useless otaku, something that many young Japanese males are. So what caused this change ? Instead of using exaggerated masculinity and heroism to fuel positive change in their own behavior, they opted for self inserts that only differs from them in the fact that even though they are shrimpy and useless, inside their game worlds, or with the help of some sort of magic they can become useful and attractive? I'm guessing that Japanese young men are feeling more worthless than ever. They need to be validated, and told that despite their wimpyness and uselessness that they still matter, and that they do not actually have to improve themselves to have worth.

I can't imagine that this is helping the population crisis at all.

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>>161596959
Fuck you for making me realize that Bobobo as a series is sixteen years old.

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>>161596153
>Q: Subaru said he could bench-press about 80kg; was he going to a gym regularly?
>A: His high school had a weight room, at least.
>Q: Please tell me Mr. Cat and Subaru’s training menu, body fat percentage, and BMI!
>A: Subaru does roughly one hundred push-ups, sit-ups, and squats every day, while cursing the world. I just do around thirty minutes of muscle training and run for an hour.
>Q: If I do muscle training with the same menu as Subaru, will I be able to reach the same level of performance?!
>A: You can!
>Q: On Earth, around what position would Subaru’s strength be?
>A: Out of those not in after-school club activities, he’d be one of the stronger ones; about that.

This was before he got isekai'd. the man works hard and takes risks, but the world just likes to shit on him. Plus his horrid personality pre-Rem didn't help either.

>>161596982
>Grow up
strong rebuttal

>but also very effective and well crafted
thats the equivalent to using a buzzword. what the hell is an effectively written character? A character that fits the setting its being thrown into? Well, if the overall plotline is simple then the characters really wont have much trouble being equally dull to match it. I wouldnt really say that something is well crafted if its flat, either. Sure, there arent a lot of blunder, but if you only take a handful of variables instead of a dozen, well then the character obviously is at less risk to look inconsistent. That doesnt make it good, its just makes it consistent in its simplicity. 80s writing is BY FAR the worst writing in the mediums history. It was a shocking step down from the 70s and pales compared to all decades that come after. The fact that you bring up character from shitty VN adaptations doesnt strengthen your point, either. Modern characters are bad on average, sure. But 80s character were not only worse, but ot even the good ones were particularly well written. 80s anime has a legacy for its scifi aesthetics, which havent been surpassed since, nothing else.

>>161597092
> Subaru does roughly one hundred push-ups, sit-ups, and squats every day, while cursing the world.
This. Especially the part about cursing the world, which is the patrician way of becoming /fit/.

>>161596494
>>161596897

Wait, this is all Subaru? What happened to him? Where can I read the LN? I've only watched the anime but this has gotten me really interested.

>>161597234
Subaru snapped and basically said fuck it and literally set an entire country on fire then got the appropriately edgy nickname of Natsuki "The Butcher" Subaru. Its a WN chapter so better learn your nip or ask around for the mega link.

>>161597092
And what was his personality like post shit girl?

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>>161597654
Closest one that came to mind
>shit girl
Fuck you

>>161596982
>Twigs don't get laid,
Except the do your face and height are much more important.
Muscularity is only a large factor if you're gay.

>>161596959
One of the things that you notice is that the anime protag has gotten blander and blander. They are a generic empty box now, whereas before they had their own personalities. Sure tropes existed just like they do now but tropes didn't define a character, whereas now they do.

There are, of course, exception to this rule in modern anime. But that's the general trend...

>>161597103
>80s anime has a legacy for its scifi aesthetics, which havent been surpassed since
Well atleast you admit that. Do you hate all 80s anime or do you like atleast few of them

>>161596959
Characters on the left are very cartoonish
The ones on the right are realistic

>>161597940
So? Lupin is still great character even if he is cartoonish

>>161597836
If anything, what happened is that character designers got really lazy.

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>>161597977
Lupin is memorable partly because he is so cartoonish looking.

>>161592565

The best anime MCs are usually girls

>>161597910
My alltime top 12 has 4 movies/shows from the 80s. But again, thats almost exclusively for the respective visuals. The vast majority of my favourite movies are from the 80s (with the exclusion of Tekkon Kinkreet and I guess EoE). If we include LotGH it'd be 5, but thats more 90s than it is 80s.

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Look in the right places.

>>161598132
I am glad they havent tried to chance his look for modern

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>>161597940
>Touma
>Realistic
Yes, he's your average high school boy you can find anywhere

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>>161598328
There's room for minor variations but, yeah, you just don't mess with what's already perfect.

>>161597234
Funnily enough he took the fate Satella probably put him in that world to do.

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>>161597940
And heavens forbid the MC of a fucking fictional media of not being realistic!

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>>161598403
>tfw new lupin season
I am first time in years actually hype for anime

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>>161597703
Reminder Tappei only gives in order to take

I hate that harem MCs are wimpy faggots
If I were in some kind handsome I would immediately seek for pussy

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>>161593537
>thinks twink body is what women want

You're underage aren't you?

>>161598523
I am pretty excited over the new series taking place in France.

>Modern writers try to make their characters deep and nuanced, but fuck it up so hard that they just come off as silly or totally bland because of how beta they are written to be ( like Emiya from FSN, or every Isekai harem protagonist ever).
This so much, I can't for the life of me understand how people actually think that Shirou is a good character in any way.I remember wanting to tear my eyes out in the Fate route every time I saw his dumb face or heard him mutter some incomprehensible shit if he touched Saber's hand or something equally retarded.

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>>161594214
>I am into space operas and historical shows with a focus on politics and dialogue.

edgy teenage fuck

>>161596959
Subaru doesn't belong there with those other fucks.

>>161597804
So muscularity is important? You're arguing against yourself retard.

>>161596645
it's a nebulous definition but subaru doesn't fit that criteria at all.

>>161592657
He was a whiny bitch who was nearly screaming "look at me!" every scene and had a lower IQ than anyone else on the cast.

He was unrelatable and irritating.

>>161598947
>unrelatable
You are one step away from self inserting.

>>161598578
Subaru and Kaneki are neither harem MCs or completely wimpy faggots.

>>161598992
I don't think that's the point he was trying to make. Let your hair down a little.

>>161592565
jews and demasculanization of modern males trough estrogen pumped into the water.

watch more alex jones newfag

>>161598971
>self-inserting
That's far from being unable to relate to a character at all. Watching Subaru felt like watching an alien wearing human skin, none of his actions had any hint of thought or rationality behind them. I do not understand how anyone can empathise with him.

>>161599064
This is what autism looks like

>>161599072
The point is, why do you feel a need to emphathise with him? Because he is mc?

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>>161599095
>t. a newfag

lurk moar

>>161599120
Do you realise that male reproductive organs is the most vulnerable part, and is easier then other organs are damaged by bad environment/nutrition? Seeing conspirancy in that is literally autism.

>>161599120
How are they getting my sperm samples?

>>161599154
yeah no shit, it's because of all the estrogen (from flushed away birth control) in the tap water. where's the fucking conspiracy part?

>>161599173
who is?

>>161599098
Not him, but isn't the point of starting the main character out as some NEET to have a MC that demographic can relate to?

>>161599224
>demasculanization of modern males trough estrogen pumped into the water.
>where's the fucking conspiracy part?

>>161599064
Nigga calm down. It's because of the tofu.

>>161599295
right you fucking weeb, re learn to fucking speak english.

>>161592926
>Did you also seriously just post fucking Getter Robo as an example of a series that provided a decent MC/cast?

So you never read the manga?

>>161599295
wow you're so dumb lol. you don't even know what the word conspiracy means.

>>161599348
i thought you implied that it was done on purpose

>>161596982
It never fails to amaze me how people take a character as deep as Emiya and tell me he is bland. PTSD child with zero emotional response to everything but self destruction fucks up his own life in every way and then time traveled to kill himself after he started to ask himself. Man that's some interesting shit. And yet people just cannot appreciate that.

>>161599328
To be fair literally none of the anime adaptations are like the manga.

>>161599377
He's written -really- badly

Nasu was young and inexperienced back then, he stretched beyond what he could really tackle but it still came out JUST ABOUT okay.

>>161592565
Your image is cherry-picking. There is no shortage of macho MCs in modern anime, novels and manga. There are different types of MCs but I'd divide them into two main categories:

>type made to make self insert easy
Those include all the so-called "beta" MCs (target demo is hikkineets after all) who may get cheat powers for no clear reason, and attract a harem for no clear reason, this is wish-fulfillment. The other type (which is my favorite) is the character-development type; MC starts out as a naive "beta" doormat, then later turns into strong, smart or respected (like Tate no Yuusha for example), I love it especially when they have an edgelord phase.

>type made to be watched from the outside
Those include a man's man character that's supposed to inspire the audience, or an earnest hard working character that teaches how one shouldn't give up no matter how many failures. It also includes clown characters you're supposed to laugh at (not with), like the overly perverted MCs or the ones that can't read the mood and do silly things all the time.

>>161599387
Because they're all partial adaptations of sections of the manga. And I have no idea why. The only anime that really actually seems to have been made like the manga that actually intended to get you introduced to the characters was neo getter.

>>161592565
Personality and attitude-wise, Issei belongs more to the old-school side than the new gen side though.

>>161599270
Not really. Neets ego is usually stroked indirectly by mc's knowledge about mass media or specific theme. They rarely bring up whole 'neet' part outside non-harming jokes and the beginning of the tale as well because very few people would like to be reminded of what they actually are.

>>161599270
For this series its more of a subversion of tropes rather than an empowerment or playing it straight.

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>>161599072
What part did not have any thought behind it? As for irrationality there are times where he falls to the trap of emotions sure but every person is like that when you are facing the equivalent of hellspawn Subaru is his own character not some peppered slate of a gary stu.

Though this is someone coming from the novel perspective of things.

>>161599270
Yes, it is. That's why they often make plots where a certain realistically-worthless knowledge that's common in the target demo (like gaming or basic cooking) to be life-changing in the story. I especially like the ones like (oh the MC had basic programming knowledge in his previous life, that's why he can make magic into functions and use if then but in magic circles).

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>>161598947
>>161599072
Y-yeah it wasn't like it was o-on purpose or anything

>>161599608
Are you implying cooking or programming are worthless?

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>>161599651
Seriously though why did they leave shit out like this

>>161597940
But which ones are more iconic. The entire right side looks like they're all siblings

>>161599731
You say that like the left side is any more diverse.

>>161599682
When it's at the level of a neet? Sure. Cooking might feed you delicious food and programming might be somewhat useful for someone who's isn't a professional (not a chef or a programmer). But they're far from making you defeat the demon lord, become the yuusha of the nine kingdoms and get a harem of girls with all the known archetypes. Oh, he fucking made mayonnaise from scratch, better give him all the gold and a Duke title.

>>161592565
Posting anime Kanek. Better kill yourself

>>161599728
They didn't have enough time to it all the nuances in. Even the Satella scenes and expansion of number of characters and even plot were cut to fit all 3 arcs in. I they were to run all dialogue and etc normally would be watching the equivalent of Bakemonogatari, just endless dialogue.

>>161599784
>Cooking might feed you delicious food
So it's already useful. You won't defeat the Demon Lord with it, but it's still useful on the way.
Programming probably won't help much in your standard medieval fantasy setting, sure.