how the hell did people wait weeks in between broadcasts of this

having a good taste and don't waiting for this

>>161566340
in english doc

>>161566251
If they waited weeks, they'd have missed episodes.

Probably was better for them on some level that way, more time to delve into the meat of the narrative/themes bit by bit.

>>161566251
Lain was horrid though

>>161566733
That.
>>161566834
Definitely not this.

>>161566251
Because they loved Lain

>>161566251
weeks? how laughable you waited a month for someone to mail you the 3rd gen raw on vhs.

>>161567049
>Definitely not this.
No, it was fucking awful, the meme that it is "smart" has to die.

>>161566523

He put the effort to English the best.

>>161566251
was SEL even popular in Japan?

>>161569159
It's pretty much solely responsible for the creation of late-night anime blocks.

>>161567810
>T. Contrarian who doesnt seem to understand

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>>161566251
Like this

How the hell did people watch this at all without wanting to kill themselves? It's fucking avant-garde trash. I've watched 50+ episode anime in a single day before, but it took me two days to get through the 12 episodes of Lain because it gave me a literal headache. Goddamn this show was terrible.

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>>161569737
>being such a brainlet

>>161569260
That change had already happened, although Lain was a fairly early one.

>>161569785
Nothing about Lain was smart. It tried to be artistic by reusing 50% of the animation from the first episode in every subsequent episode. The premise was mildly interesting, but it took ten episodes to even get a hint about what it was. Holy fuck it was a train wreck.

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>>161569880
>Nothing about Lain was smart.
Spoken like a true brainlet.
>It tried to be artistic
God forbid a show tried to make something of artistic value.

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I continue to be of the opinion that no human being actually likes Lain, and everyone in this thread is baiting for replies.

only japanese children were watching it when it came out. they probably didn't think twice about it and missed episodes.

>>161569260
That isn't remotely historically correct.

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>>161570938
I love Lain!

I can barely imagine being driven to come back to the show if I didn't see the first three episodes in one sitting. Waiting a month and a half before the show starts to... be anything... seems impossible

>>161566251
why is such a 6/10 anime so popular here ?

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>>161570938

>>161569880
You remind me of that guy shitting on spices and wolf because he couldn't into economics

Maybe you're the same stupid guy

>>161570938
Are you also of the opinion that nobody likes Twin Peaks or Eraserhead?

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>mfw i'm on my third rewatch and i still don't seem to understand
I get the overall gist of the anime but i wish i could at least understand what many of the individual scenes are about.

>>161570938
That's ok. Everyone's entitled to have bad opinions.

>>161574142
Lain is for loving

>>161566251

Lain was interesting for sure, but i didn't cream my pants watching it.

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>>161574393
where did you save this image from? i wonder..

Try

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There are people in this thread right now that don't seem to understand

>>161575350
w-what do you mean anon

Lain was fucking trash so it doesn't matter

>>161575818
what board did you get it from? i'm fairly sure i made this image, were you on that board that recently went down?

>>161576327
Probably /g/ or /v/ around ten days ago.

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>>161576491
ah right, nevermind then! hope you understand better soon, anon

>>161569737
A show giving you a headache doesn't make it bad. I've known people who get headaches from Teekyuu and they love it.

>>161566251
>watching anime in any form other than bd rips

>>161570017
>artistic value
Not him and I love Lain but artistic value as something a show "has" is a noncept. It's a truly meaningless phrase in that regard because a work can't tangibly have any. It's all in the eye of the beholder.

>>161570938
I like it for its aesthetics, music, and sound design.
>inb4thatshowthewholelainfanbaseis

>>161574142
Because your score for a show is meaningless and has no basis in how the show is. You might believe that you've given the show an "objective score" but you're just as biased as anyone else despite any mental gymnastics you've done to convince yourself otherwise and people aren't going to necessarily share your thoughts on it.

it's fun to look at those 16 year old patrician faggots trying to making it look like there's some mysterious existential meaning behind lain by posting "you don't seem to understand", "we're all connected" and such. without them the anime wouldn't even be talked about.

>>161566340

This.

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>>161577038
>without a fanbase a piece of media wouldn't be popular
How did you come to this brilliant conclusion anon?

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I don't understand Lain and I still like it

>>161566251
A lot of art suffers because it becomes dated, Lain is an unique example of the exact opposite - it suffers because it was exactly on the money. Many of its themes are almost banal right now and there's no work that needs to be done to understand them, because they became trivial and omnipresent in the current world. The only other cases I can come up with is Seinfield (fairly minor) and Snow Crash (pretty major, but still nothing compared to lain).

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>>161578184
They aren't. Issues about introversion, human connection, and anti transhumanism are still very much relevant. Lain isn't about the Internet.

>>161578184
I wish i could read old japanese forums circa SEL's original airing. Watching it back then must have been fucking mindblowing.

>>161578549
This ROM memory device was the Knights mobo the DJ at Cyberia gave to her, right?

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>>161566251
Well two anteater that cuestion we're gotta look back at 1977 year when ESL (Experiments Serial Lain) arrived.

It during this the time that The Internet was in primary minutes, and a torrente or estrim do no encist. A causa that the persons have to rely on the terebision in order to intertainmente. seri el Lain air it for japonnaise to watch on T V, and this was a case where it's no other things airs of value.

Ensensually it's a like how the antiques Socrates/Aristoteles/Homero were Memorize Entire BOOKS bencause there ware't very other things to make. The witnesses to Experiments Serial Lain it's much the same, able memorith the smalest of dentails because they have it total of belongings. It's dificul to us imagine with our modern fount of internet media, but then in rarity finds excepcionality.

Putting it aside, any body think Lain she being Anischeral? I know she me gave taims me from looking this show.

>>161578184
Nothing ever suffers from being dated because everything's inherently dated in some way. It gives some level of a barrier for entry to fully appreciate it and it can often serve as a time capsule of its era. Being John Malkovich relies heavily on the public's view of John Malkovich and how strange it is to have a movie about going specifically into his mind but it still holds up amazingly even if you aren't too aware of Malkovich's or the other real-life actors' reputations at the time of its creation because it still has everything else going for it. However, if you have an idea, then its comedy is just given more layers and in some cases like Charlie Sheen's cameo, it can make the movie even funnier to know where they are now. For an anime example, Rose of Versailles is heavily dated by its presentation nuances and recording quality but if you appreciate shows from that era and those little details, then it still easily works as a drama show.

Go and ask the Anons on /tv/ watching Twin Peaks right now how they feel being drip-fed excruciatingly slow weird bullshit.

>>161569260
you mean NGE

>>161578320
I didn't say it isn't relevant anymore - quite on the contrary. It's just that anti-transhumanism is an identified and popular issue, and human connection became the main problem of current literature and maybe art in general. And of course Lain is not about the Wired, but internet is as effective in bringing forth its problematic core as in real life. Otherwise Ueda wouldn't have chosen it.

>burgers thinking they can understand Lain

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>Lain is turning 20 next year
Where did the time go?

>>161578184
Fight Club brought a lot that wasn't in a mainstream movie before it, but almost all of the themes and sentiments have been repeated since its release that it comes off as cringeworthy.

>>161579306
I think I misunderstood you, my mistake

>>161578959
I'll repeat myself: Lain is not dated like Being John Malkovich is dated. For the latter, it is submerged in a cultural context that has already passed; the viewer needs to readjust themselves lest he risks to lose a lot of enjoyment. Former is more relevant now than it was in the time of its conception, it is paradoxically wrapped up in current culture - if you viewed it 20 years ago, understanding it required you to construct that culture, and now there's little effort in that as the questions the show puts forward have grown increasingly visible during the two decades past. Using your example, there is a reason Synechdoche, NY is genius while Birdman is just good, even going past the differences in complexity.

>>161571130
You do? Prove it

>>161581220
He might not, but I do. I kissed her on the cheek and gave her a hug.

>>161580004
I better understand your point.

>>161581220
How can you not love someone who's always there by your side? Like right now.

So, this show is where nothing explained, so only factual things are events, since there is no exposition everything else can be interpreted anyway you want, which creates illusion that this show is "smart", and that illusion of substance attracts elitist, which use this as an excuse to call other people dumb for disliking this show, just so that they can feel better about themselfs.

Am i right? I just watched it for the first time, and i understood concept, but with directing like that it is pretty obvious that you need to rewatch it in order to understand details, but this show is boring so i am just gonna read or watch analysis somewhere, because i feel that plot is actually simple, it just directing makes it hard to understand.

>>161569737
>>161569880
if I had the chance of betting money with you at this instant, I would bet everything I have that you couldn't explain what sel is about

>>161581677
No. People call people dumb because they come into these threads not to criticize the show, but to say "pretentious", "fuck you stupid faggots", and "this show is shit" with no other substance. Do you expect a kind rebuttal to shitposting?

>>161581843
Its some sort of outdated commentary on Internet, isn it?

>>161576864
>art is in the eye of the beholder
you don't have a clue what art is, go read a book

>>161581895
No, see >>161578320

>>161581928
Maybe i am retarded but i didn`t saw that message. I thought too much about surface(aka actual plot) to see below it.

>>161581923
What gives those books, and by extension, their authors, authority on art as a concept? Which ones are more correct than the others and why? What makes them correct and why should the person or persons who decided they're correct be listened to and considered an authority? What if there was someone out there that would be deemed even more correct if they were heard from but they haven't, thus calling the authority of the previous people into question?

>>161566251
You don't seem to understand...

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>>161582352
damn shame.

>>161582553
Is this girl(Lain) is sort of fundamental omnipresent being made possible via Earth Giomagnetic field?

>>161576864
>>161581923
You are both kinda wrong. Art is not pure information, it's mostly a translateable conceptual framework, i.e. a scheme of processing information. Good art doesn't necessary tell you what to think about, but provides a new way how to think; purely aesthetical works are completely devoid of "subject", and yet suceed at transforming cognition.

Surely then bad art, in the sense of overly abtract and "pretentious", is guilty not of lack of substance but badly formulated schemes that may be either too banal or just plain untranslatable, so that the viewer fails not only at getting what the author is speaking about but also the way he is speaking.

>>161582604
Lain is a program

>>161582604
That's one of two options, sort of, the other is >>161582646, but I don't believe the latter.

>>161582604
Yes. Schumacher Resomance.

>>161582693
But i thought that Lain is not a Resonance, but she uses it to manifest herself.

>>161578969
Twin Peaks S3 and Lain share quite a lot of similarities. Doppelgangers, danger hiding in electricity/wires, blurred reality etc.
Twin Peaks was a massive deal in Japan in the early 90s though, so maybe it's natural that Lain'd draw inspiration to some degree.

Lain was a lot of fun.

>>161582889
It's a lot of fun when you get to talk to people who are interested in it. If you try and talk with casual anime fans about it they just start making up explanations and reasons why it's so deep and it becomes obvious like 5 minutes in that they have no idea what was going on.

>>161582889
how? it was painful to watch

It's bad.
>>161581843
muh modern angst through Jungian nonsense
It's for whiny teens.

>>161566251
My wife Lain is so perfect.

>>161566251
overrated trash

>>161582553
>filename
People still do Lain art?

>>161585380
thats evangelion not lain

>>161586688
>overrated
Are you 12?

>>161587326
It's Lain too actually.

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we
are
all
connected

>>161587834
No, leave Lain out of this.

Regardless of if you like the show or not, it is certainly unique. I haven't found another anime like it and it's currently my top.
It's just odd how much hate/confusion it gets though because it's not that complicated of an anime.
10/10 fuk da h8rs

>>161589155
It doesn't matter if it or anything else is "unique". That's just praising something because you personally haven't seen anything like it when there easily could be in other mediums. Unless the person's a sheep, telling them to appreciate something that they disliked or hated for being "unique" from your perspective won't change their mind. Why should they care?

>>161589529
>implying I care if you or anyone else cares
There's a reason I put that last line in there.
It's more that I'd just like to find more stuff like it to enjoy.
Whether someone wants to take the time out to appreciate it is up to them. If they don't like it then whatevs. If I were to argue then it'd be about the things that make it unique obviously, not the fact that it is unique.

>>161567810
It isn't smart but it's still 10/10 faggot

>>161589155
It's bad because it tries too hard to be complex.

>>161578726
Yeah, the Psyche

>>161578549
>06/25/14
Time sure goes.

>>161566251
Patience my dear friend

>>161566604
If you first watched it on DVD you had to wait between releases.

>>161566340
Of course brainlets would dislike Lain.

>>161570938
I liked it but it's impossible to talk about on this site.

>>161567533
Lain is good, can attest

>>161576864
Why are you like this

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>>161578904
poetry

>>161566251
So which fanbase is more pretentious, Lain or NGE ?

>>161596151
Flip Flappers

>>161596232
This, it's Lain/Eva but NOTHING HAPPENS LMAO

>>161596151
Lain defiantly takes the cake
>>161596232
Have you even been in their threads literally just a bunch of comfy posters non pretentious at all

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i love lain! i want to be together with her!

>>161574393
If you think that you understand Lain, you don't understand, and you have yet to become an honest man. If you know that you don't seem to understand, then you truly understand. For Lain is incomprehensible to those who comprehend it, and comprehensible to those who comprehend it not.

>>161574393
Marathon it on Shrooms/LSD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOsmUDMdaE

>>161596444
Rat's err rave Ron.

>>161596398
shrooms, yeah. lsd, no. it doesn't have the kind of OST that compliments an acid trip

>>161596652
Why not?

>>161567810
And you don't seem to understand...

Quoting my post in another thread:
"
I realized the other day that Serial Experiments Lain could in fact be non-fiction, even at this very moment. MKUltra (etc, put loosely) was investigating the use of radar to induce sleep and behavioral changes in primates. They investigated thermal and sub-thermal means. Russia had similar projects, and they delved into false memory formation, deletion, and realtime alteration of a notion of context, self, and subsequent predictions concerning reality. Far more effective than the more crude trauma based dissociation and compartmentalization used historically to program people.

Pulsed ELF and microwave fields alter calcium flux, and thus membrane potential, likely by acting on the voltage sensor of voltage gated calcium channels. The known potential of this likely doesn't even approach the classified MKUltra and Soviet material.
"

You also have no interest in, or appreciation for, epistemology and ontology, relative to human psychology. Hell, relative to any given computational machinery's capacity to experience a sense of "reality".

Ok, if you anons are so smart, what EXACTLY is the meaning of this so deep anime?

This is really bugging me right now, so remind me.
We know for sure Lain is software, but If I remember correctly the Wired Lain and the real world Lain take on their own personalities.
The question is how did physical world Lain come about?

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>>161596770
Are you really so small-minded that you think every piece of fiction has a simple "meaning" or "message" that can be reduced to a single post? Do you dislike using your brain this much?

>>161596974
Stop dodging the question.

>>161596999
No, watch the anime. It's not that hard to understand. It's actually pretty explicit. People like this show because it's more than just its plot.

>>161596999
He's right, you have a deep aversion to braining. Perhaps you are afraid of going down any avenue and creating, deriving, and maintaining meaning for yourself.

You must learn to brain, and search for something. You need to transcend the terror and constant need to feel secure in seeing what you're told you were supposed to see, feel, and think.

Lain definitely has meaning for, of, and embedded by the creators. But even to communicate this to you would be essentially meaningless. Nothing will satisfy you regardless.

>>161596974
>>161597114
I have nothing against anime itself, but it has some of the most pretentious fanbase i have ever seen, fanbase that constantly needs to remind other how deep and meaningful it is, and how smart they are for liking it. Its fucking cancer.

I fucking love lain, but there's too many people in this thread using big words trying to look smart.

>>161597139
>fanbase that constantly needs to remind other how deep and meaningful it is
This isn't a thing. You created it. The problem is you.

>>161597158
This is Lane fanbase for you, where people like it not for message and plot, but for bragging right that liking it gives.

>>161597182
In case I didn't make myself clear I'm part of that fanbase, genius.

>>161597182
You should probably take a step back and really think about what you're saying. How much sense does that really make? In what way, and how widely, is it really applicable?

>>161597114
>>161597061
FUCK YOU. There's no deeper meaning, they just put random shit after random shit in order to make people think there's symbolism where there actually isn't. It's not hard to do. Here, I'll do it right here.

>So, there was this bitch, she went to the strip club to strip and make some money for her half black son. All of a sudden the stripper pole turns into a giant cock. The cock symbolizes the patriarchal society she lives in. If she wants to provide for her half black son, she has to grab on to something masculine, a cock. Oh, and the half black son is half black half white because that's like the yin yang symbol, signifying that there's a duality in the way the woman conducts herself. On the one hand she's a fucking whore for stripping but on the other hand she's an angel for providing for her son, An interesting contrast I must say so myself.

>>161597218
>ow much sense does that really make?
A lot of if you seen people talking about it, and their reaction when someone says that he disliked it for whatever reason.

>>161597236
No. You inability to see connection doesn't mean there is no connection to be seen, and that everything is a random jumbling that will just "work itself out" in the mind of the viewer. That's a fairly lazy and naive assumption, generally. It can be true in some rare cases, but certainly not here.

Refer to:
>>161596768

>>161597139
you sound likely a deeply insecure underaged brainlet

>>161597236
Any intentions for meaning by the creators are there whether you acknowledge them or not, but part of the fun with this show is from deriving your own.

>>161597182
>Lane
Yeah, because everyone is that insecure that they have to posture to anonymous strangers on the Internet. Also begone phoneposter.

>>161597295
Exactly my thoughts about fanbase of this anime, who needs constantnly validate itself by reminding constantly you how its deep and meaningful. Even right now all of you are trying to use presumed low intelligence as an insult.

>>161597281
That's more disgust and unrest with the state of the world, and human species as a whole. People are tired. The human race is tired, and everywhere you look there is only decadence and degeneracy.

Then you add on top some idiot on the internet who thinks they disliked something and doesn't have valid reasoning behind their experience. It's obnoxious, and it shouldn't be hard to put yourself in someone else's head and understand why.

There's also a lot of this sensation:
>>161597295

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>>161597343
>Yeah, because everyone is that insecure that they have to posture to anonymous strangers on the Internet. Also begone phoneposter.

Yes, most of the people are THAT insecure, stop pretending that you dont see that, because this would damage your agenda.

>>161597360
After each and every post you sound even more like pretentious edgelord. Your choice of words, meaning behind it, phrasing - all of it gives out your true nature.

>>161577457
You are indeed an honest man.

>>161597236
It's funny because what you put up was anything but random. It was pure ideology though.

>>161597421
I don't have a true nature as far as ego relative to social interaction. I've been broken, stripped down, and rebuilt enough times that I'm more or less empty inside. You aren't needed.

>>161597421
>Liking a show and using intimidating terminology is having an agenda.
Big Venus can't come soon enough.

>>161597421
>Yes, most of the people are THAT insecure, stop pretending that you dont see that, because this would damage your agenda.
If you're an underaged b& or have excessive social fears. How about we both not pretend that both of us aren't right to some extent? I'm sure there's some people blabbing on MAL and YouTube for social acceptance but don't pretend I or some of the people here don't just plain like the show (what a foreign concept) or there's some sort of agenda going on here.

Compared to other pretentious trash like evangelion I found Lain pretty clear in the central themes for the most part, some quotes like "If nobody remembers it, it never happened" sum quite clear what it's about.

>>161597762
Evangelion was clear in its themes too, you just dont payed attention to them.

lain is just a psychobabble clusterfuck and people keep trying to find meaning and muh symbolism where there is none


the overarching theme of the anime is clear but the rest is just a muddled mess

>>161597811
could be, I just hadn't the patience to swallow all the emoshit in between.

>>161597993
Nonsense. Refer to:
>>161596768
Someone is going to respond to this before I leave. Lain's aesthetic was beautiful, but not fantastic or delusional. It felt good, it felt foreign yet familiar, and it felt right.

>>161598011
Eva was more or less engineered to spur gradual regression to childhood and to uproot underlying traumas and insecurities. It is a natural consequence of directly following the story and characters.

>>161597993
the clusterfuck part was mostly technologies/theorizing about the posibility to tie reality to the wired, don't go too much into the details.

>>161598252
The premise is entirely possible.

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>>161566251
In one of the first episodes why did lain see a girl getting hit by a trai? Was it to do with how Masami Eirido died? Or was it one of her past memories since we already know her memories have Benn messed around with in the past?

>>161582187
I didn't mean that books are necessarily art, I meant they you should go read a book about art so to discover what art is and how it's not subjective
something isn't art because of some authority says it's art