Why is SSJ4 hated? One of the best original designs when it comes

howcome a transformation changes their clothes though

Because no one gives a fuck about Oozaru roots & some weirdo cross transformation that lets you skip from 1 to 4 for some reason

>>161448375
I 100% agree. They also felt powerful. I just saw a legendary super saiyan (kale) pulverize god goku and then basically say that dyspo is sooooo fast he is faster than the speed of light meanwhile I was sitting here thinking that was child's play to these guys.

>>161448398
The clothes are literally the same after transformation though. How come fusion changed clothing for gotenks?

It's a nice design, because Toriyama isn't a compete hack

But the story is still a complete, inexcusable waste of characters

>>161448398
Aren't they just their normal pants, aside from Goku's child-sized ones growing to match his adult body?

>>161448375
agreed. SSJG, blue, and rose are absolute shit.
>out of ideas
>lets start with pasting what we have in MS paint
>good
>now click the paint bucket
>click blue
>paint hair blue
>HYPE SSJ BLUE GUYS

>>161448493
SSG is good fuck off

>>161448375
It's just another piece of wasted potential from GT, OP. I really like them as well and how they combined the traits of the Oozaru and their normal forms, they looked like what a saiyan should look like. They still need tweaking though, the design needs to lose the eyeliner and change the fur color to either white or brown, or just stick with yellow.

>>161448507
pls. nobody needs to see anorexic goku with bug eyes. Low effort transformation

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Even this new form is pretty good and at least better than SSJG and blue.

>>161448507
>literal deviant art recolor with a shitty reason for transformation
>good
Please go

>>161448507
>recolor from holding hands
>good
If you are braindead spic maybe. Everything after SSJ3 was a mistake.

>>161448375
>where 5 people hold hands in order to make you a god.


uh isn't ssj4 unlocked by a magical moon bulma has to make a machine for jobgeta to ubnlock it if i recall

>>161448465
No. Take another look at Goku's GT gi. Belt changes, wrist bands change and ankle things change as well. Also Vegeta's gloves grow fingers.
SS4 is great though.

>>161448625
He's talking about SSG, son. See the fucking anime.

>>161448579
>changes eyes
>puts blue tint around body
>calls SSG a deviant art recolour

heh

>>161448375

The SSJG stuff just seems lazy to me.

I never finished GT and I haven't watched any of super, only the two most recent movies but it just seems like a cop-out just to not have to animate SSJ3 or SSJ4.

>>161448691
and I'm pointing out ssj4 is also unlocked in a retarded way

>>161448579
implying that SSJ4 isn't the most deviant art design of all time

>>161448808
It's just using blutz wave shit to transform. Same concept as in Z where vegeta threw an energy ball into the sky to transform.

>>161448773
this deviantart is a shit ton better than SSG/Blue. He actually looks confident/buff. His proportions and body shape get fucked when he goes SSJG. Not touching on the way they draw them in normal form in super, because that's a whole other mess.

>>161448375
>why don't peopel share my unpopular opinion

because you have objectively shit taste. get the fuck over it you goddamn manchild

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>>161448375
fuck off pedro

>>161448375
It's way better
I legit don't get how people like Nu Dragonball with fucking literal rainbow colored saiyans
Then again if only these fucks would have left DB back in their childhood where it belongs none of this would have happened but things can only get worse from here on out

>>161448849
Fucking this, people in this thread are delusional as fuck.

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>>161448455
>>161448465

>>161449206
SSJ4 is so dumb

I'm disappointed Super isn't nearly as good as it could be if Toei gave a fuck but at least its not an abortion like GT

>>161448375
GT's designs were great. Honestly the best of the series, but the plot felt like the most wasted potential ever.

While Super has a lot of flaws atleast they are doing a better job at spreading the screen time in a lot of different non-Goku characters.

If written better tho, I think GT could have been the best. A lot of great concepts and enemies.

>>161448375
FUARK YEAH DRAGONBALLS!

>>161448375
lolwut
The majority of people enjoy SSJ4, it is only 4chan that shits on it.

>>161449239
Literally everything after SSJ3 is dumb fuck I'd even argue anything after SSJ is dumb, and I rather they trash super and do GT remake cause it had good concepts executed poorly

>>161449206
They look like they are changing color because the animators put detail in the transformation. The transformation makes them glow and this lights the pants in that way.

>>161448375
Awful design. Even a lazy recolor is better. SSJ3 was terrible too, but it's amazing to see how that outdid it. The best part is that it looked lame even when it came out in the era of glam rock and eyeshadow.

>>161448375
I honestly like it, I just think the story around it is retarded. I like that it has it's Oozaru angle, I always felt like they kinda forgot about the whole giant monkey thing after the saiyan saga. ( fuck this guy btw, what a pleb >>161448418 )
I don't like the color scheme though, why fucking RED fur? Brown or Yellow would've made sense. Also the magic pants on goku was retarded. Hell the entire goku is a kid again thing was retarded.

>>161449206
Why does he get back his wifebeater? This is retarded.

>>161450984
I love how no one ever points out the fact that his gloves become fingerless and become shorter when he turns back

>>161448398
>How does piccolo give gohan clothes? Its a cartoon.

>>161448375
Because they look like human Sonic the hedgehog characters in that form.

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>>161448849
>SSJ4
>Deviant art

You goomba, it's the fucking other way around. That's SSJ5 you're talking about. SSJ4 literally inspired off the deviant art saiyan designs.

I don't get why you fuckers say dumb shit like this. Just come out and fucking admit that you only hate SSJ4 because it's a GT original thing. That's the ONLY reason.

Fuckers like you say shit like this, but stay silent about SSJ3, wherein the only change is the HAIR GROWS LONGER. You stay silent about SSB when it's only change is a FUCKING GODDAMMN HAIR COLOR! WHAT THE FUCK?! SSJ4 has everything going on, it has a fucking dark hair color instead of blonde, it has red trim around the eyes, fucking red fur, red tail, it looks like they're monkey gods, which is fitting since they're an actual monkey based race.

What the hell? SSJ3 doesn't even change up appearance that much? Longer hair? How's that more original than what SSJ4 did?

If there's one thing I hate the most about GT, it's that we got the best transformation in the series in a non-canon series, that is hated so much that people hate the transformation itself only because it appeared in that very hated series.

>>161448375
ssj4 looks stupid but at least its more creative than ssj god and ssj blue

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SSJ4 GOGETA'S HAIR WAS RED

WHAT GOGETA A SSG GOD?

>>161451408
SSJ4 gogeta's color scheme was perfect, reddish-brown. I don't know why didn't they use this for the base ssj4.

>>161448375
The gay eyeliner/eyeshadow ruins it. Ignoring the ridiculous clothing physics, and ignoring the mismatched hair and fur, that one detail slapped onto their face is far uglier than SSJ3 and the missing eyebrows. If the clothes stayed the same, the dopey makeup was removed, and the hair matched the fur (be it red hair or black/brown fur), it'd be a good transformation.

>>161451455
idk goku's yellow pants are pretty decent. gogeta has white which is just a poor choice in a battle to the death

>>161448445
>they felt powerful
>meanwhile SS4 Goku has trouble holding up a building and gets bodied by an Android.

>>161451494
The eyeliner works imo, without it it would actually look pretty weird as in their face would be more human like compared to the rest of their body
Plus it adds to the edginess, I think they have it cause that ape form they had way back then had red eyes so instead of full red they took some middle ground

>>161448579
Does this have a name yet?

Because SSJB (Super Saiyajin Black) is what I'd have gone with.

>>161452353
I think it's just called Limit Breaker

>>161448375
Why does Vegeta have brown hair?

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>>161448541
>anorexic

Considering Goku is supposed to weigh 137 pounds or 62 kilograms, it fits him way more than the huge guy he's usually drawn as. This is coming from someone who likes the >>161448579 form better, it reminds me of Bruce Lee but a little bigger. Shredded, not bulging.

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>>161449206
>same haircut but with a worse forehead

>>161448418
>weirdo cross transformation that lets you skip from 1 to 4 for some reason
>what is mega-ultimate

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>>161451226
t. spic

Looks fucking stupid and changes goku into a massive fucking edgelord

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>>161453535
He had brown hair originally, later it was changed to black with a brown tint (whereas Goku has dark grayish tint to his black hair).

Super Saiyan 4 was only cool because of the "tails" that's it. If toriyama was gonna do it for SSJ3 but changed his mind.

And the form itself was never used to accomplish anything major. It was a waste. (Babe and the sun dont count any form could have done that).

And db fans need to stop obsessing over "over exaggerated" transformations. Their to cliches and ridiculous. Who cares if the form isnt super crazy. The only thing that should matter is how the form works and is used in battle, thats it.

Keeping things simple and classic is far better. SSJ blue is far better, it has a classy feel and performs great.

Why do think people love super saiyan 2 so much. It's super saiyan with lighting and performed very well in all it's uses. It's simple but still very badass.

>>161448462
Nakatsuru made the SSJ4 design, not Toriyama (remember Toriyama's mindset "the simpler the transformation is, the stronger the character is". SSJ4 is just an overdesigned on steroids transformation)

>>161449274
GT designs weren't made by Senileyama, but by his assistant (Nakatsuru) to begin with

>>161456094
we're talking about the design alone Pierrot. Bringing in circumstances of usage and introduction doesn't add anything.

>>161456882
>>161456838
>the simpler the transformation is, the stronger the character is
Except that faggot Toriyama contradicted himself with SS2 and SS3, and went full faggot by acting like a spoiled child. Ditching oozarus and tail, buff transformations, and so many other things just because he didn't feel like it.
I'm still surprised something that good came from the hack who doodled Slump and Sandland.

>>161456949

And like I said the "tail" is the only thing that made it look cool. Take it off and its trash.

>>161457363
To be honest removing the tail would contradict the ape-like aspect. So yeah it'd be awful without tail.

>>161448976
>uhh its not deviantart
>uhh its deviantart but is better than SSG
just stop

>>161451226
>What the hell? SSJ3 doesn't even change up appearance that much? Longer hair? How's that more original than what SSJ4 did?

Retards really think SSJ3 is more original than SSJ4? Kek. I've always loved SSJ4 and would always play as Gogeta SSJ4 in Budokai Tenkaichi 3.

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I find everything about it fine except for the colour of Goku's pants.

They're supposed to be gold but they look more 'calf shit yellow' in practise.

I always thought that SS4 looked retarded. While the recolor forms in super are lazy as fuck, they still look better overall, since Goku's base and SS forms look better. SS4 just looks like shit with the fur and the mullet.

>>161458088
>>161458088

Ok super saiyan 4 just puts red hair on your body. What's special about that?

>>161451226
SSJ4 is definitely more original than the other SSJ forms, but design itself looks bad, while the SSJ forms look good.

>>161448375
ok but why the fur?
sorry but the fur makes it look retarded as fuck
and why eyebrows? ss3 didn't have eyebrows

Was trying to add >>161458066
Im on mobile. So I fucked up.

GT was a mistake. Super is also a mistake.

>>161455637
Is there a non-anime source for this?

>>161448375
It looks stupid

>>161448375
Because they're too different. All a transformation really needs is some very slightly different hair or some sort of recolor. Canon MO, now and forever. Thanks dA.

Except for Super Saiyan 3? Seriously though, what the FUCK happened there.

>>161448375

I would say SSJ4 is the only decent SSJ form. All the others are super lazy and shitty minor cosmetic variations that have nothing super about them.

Meanwhile, SSJ4 actually feels like the ultimate combination of oozaru's power with humanoid saiyan's rational mind and mobility. It genuinely looks like if it were the fabled legendary super saiyan form unlike those others that are just becoming blonde

>>161461236
They're supposed to be minor cosmetic variations idiot. Goku's aura changed and the glow from that illuminated his hair. It was simple, it worked for kaioken and it worked for super saiyan. Super Saiyan 3 was the outlier because it was the one that introduced physical changes other than just muscle mass and it looked fucking stupid and set the stage for every dumb looking transformation since

SSJ4 was good but it shouldn't have been a SSJ form, it should have been called something else

I'm watching through Buu Saga Kai and holy shit, how could they fuck this up so bad? The visuals are awful and green, the new OST is vastly inferior to the original and Kai's, and they barely removed the filler, the main point of a newer version.

This is so disappointing, Kai, especially early on, was fantastic.

>>161448375
It's alright. It looks kind of silly. It's what i imagine Super Saiyan would have looked like if the Z had kept the same tone as Dragon Ball.

I love SSJ4, its appearance just communicates Primal power.
I think there are allot of genuine criticisms about GT, however for the most part I think a majority of the hate comes from people just joining the hate train for the series.

So is SSJ4 or SSJ Blue more powerful?

>>161448579
I'm confused...had his nipples always been drawn ?

>>161461670

Kaioken was just a technique that took the body to its limits. SSJ was supposed to be a miracle-like super form and was even considered a "transformation", but its just getting an hair dye and light blue contact lens.

>>161462077
Blue. And it's a fact.

>>161462882
It's a rock fact !

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>>161448375
>One of the best original designs when it comes to dragon ball transformations
you pedros keep spouting this line. What on earth is an original design when it comes to dragon ball transformations to you people? Something that wasn't done by Toriyama? Why call it original? Do you mean 'most original' aka unique?

also
>eyeliner
>magic pants
>fur
>bangs over shoulders
>vegeta's tail magically regrows
also can someone explain to me why Toei decided chins were to take up half of Goku's face in GT?

>>161463054
Yes, it's the most unique. Also you act like DBZ wasn't as retarded
>ssj3 has no eyebrows
>stupid as fuck long ssj3 hair
>vegeta's magical armor that grows with him when you turns into an ape
>piccolo magically giving gohan clothes multiple times
>gohan's tail magically regrows