Why isn't there kamen rider anime?

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it was shit.

Gaim was legitly Urobutcher's best work, even though he lost writing control for the ending which went subpar. A lot of the praise goes to the director and cast who delivered as well.

>>161389225
>Urobutcher's best work
That's Fate/Zero.

>>161389338
rebellion*

its called precure

>>161389143
>>161389143
We had Garo the animation. It was good

Kamen Rider is cartoonish enough as it is. What would even be the point?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6Pij5uvlG8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlZqYZoAa9I
Hyped for build? I sure am.

>>161389556
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY

>>161389225
Wait Gaim was written by the Butcher? No wonder I hated it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbmoEa4w0ws
Nyaruko is fucking filled with them

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>>161389579
I would love to have another Kamen Rider SD

>>161389154
Wasn't SamFlam a sentai?

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>>161389143
>kamen rider thread

I see you are a man of culture aswell, too bad mod is too easliy butthurt

>>161389948
SamFlam was a lot of things.

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As much as I love Butcher, I never thought Gaim would be topped so fast.

>>161389620
Why did KR stopped doing those poses?

>>161390757
S2 was so fucking shit jesus christ, didnt help that ex-aid was so good
i think S1 seemed so good because literal dogshit like ghost was airing alongside

What's the differrence between Sentai/toku/KR?

>>161390757
Any patrician would recognize that Kabuto is the best heisei rider.

>>161390908
Ex Aid looks dumb.

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Chapter 2 when?

>>161390927
Toku is the umbrella term for Sentai/KR/other special effects shows.
KR is usually focused on one rider, with one or a couple "side" riders that get their transformation ability through a belt.
Sentai is group focused Toku, with each member having a color coded uniform. Tends to be more MotW and has giant robots.

>>161389579
Kamen Rider Black was the only good one.

>>161390958
you should never judge a book by its cover, ex-aid was really good
but you're probably the type of judgemental asshole who thinks modern KR is "too kiddy" or some retarded shit even though its been a glorified toy ad for a decade (no pun intended)
your loss though

>>161389338
Fate/Zero sucked and Gaim is low tier rider, Future Diary was his best.

>>161389143
Fate/stay night was heavily inspired by Kamen Rider Ryuki

>>161391171
you mean ryuki was inspired by madoka

>>161391163
>ex-aid was really good
>second quarter removed the opening theme entirely
>brought back soap opera dribble not seen since Kabuto
>weak fight scenes
>little monster variety
>too many traitors
>very dragged out pacing

However Cronus does manage to be the best villain rider in the heisei entries.

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>>161390927
toku is the world, the rest are some kind of sub-species, probably there are more.. but generally its can be described like this

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>>161391163
ONORE!!!!!

>>161391376
So is it Imaishi or Nakashima that always rips off Kamen Rider?

>>161390802
They are still doing poses, but not as flashy as heisei ones.

>>161391258
Cronus is literally Dio Brando and Ex-Aid Hyper Muteki Star Platinum, no wonder their first fight was the best episode of this shit series.

Early Heisei, Amazons and Garo are still the top toku so far.

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>>161391502
Bring back the flashy pose

>>161390757
It was a nice palette cleanser during Ghost, but not really good by its own right.

>>161391163
Ex-aid was actually good? I may have to check it out. Ghost completely killed my interest in the series.

>>161391422
Dude, you're talking about people responsible for TTGL. These people don't live in a reality where the concept of a rip-off exists.

>>161391654
What did Amazon even did wrong?

>>161391616
do nips think these actors are cool like american 80's action film actors? They are dressed all hip and stuff but they are old-man jackie chan from the neck up

>>161391937
It's the same dude you unfashionable retard

>>161392028
arr rook same

>>161389225
gaim was shit

>>161391937
desu 10's transfomation are not as cool as 80's transformation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNtGwfc4Fms

>>161392082
the shit*

How come Ex-Aid is better than most currently airing anime?

>>161389225
>lost writing control for the ending
? first ive heard

>>161392310
I don't believe you.

>>161392310
Cause it has a great gamemaster

>>161392578
You gotta believe, man.

>>161389143
It's almost like it's taboo to make Toku into anime. The Godzilla anime is getting a lot of resistance because of this. Toho is betting on the younger demographics who are more lenient to give it a try.

>>161392366
Not just the ending, so many changes messed with his plot, in the end he was told Gaim is the first KR to actually stick to the general plot-line, every other KR is written like every other TV show, they don't know how it's going to end or where it's going, but Urobuchi wrote Gaim backwards, he knew how it's ending from the start, it had to be very precise and specific.

Some big changes like Sid was supposed to die before episode 11, Micchy was going to die around episode 36, Redue was a good guy, they weren't dancers they were street gangs ect,ect.

>>161392366
The final episode (the one with Jam) is only supervised by Urobuchi. It's very clear that he wanted some characters to remain gone and maybe for Kouta to never return and Micchy suffering far worse, but future Movie War crossovers demand that the story ends however the executives want it to end for potential tie-ins. Actually ending Kaito was quite the feat regardless of how predictable it was.

>>161392688
WHY WHY WHY WHY?

>>161392815
so what about the ending was changed

>>161392873
Well, Micchy for sure wasn't supposed to survive. Takatora probably too.
Other than that, they fucked up Kaito's line at the end. Urobuchi was very assblasted about this.

But the ending itself of Kouta taking invess to another planet wasn't changed. I loved the idea, too bad it was shot like shit.

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>>161392958
Kaito should have won. He completely dominated during the whole battle but then lol random stab Kouta wins gg ez no re wp

>>161392815
That's just par for Toku. Toei's gonna Toei after all too.

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>>161392958
>they fucked up Kaito's line at the end. Urobuchi was very assblasted about this.

details? Its been ages since I last saw

>>161391616
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CDzg_zZBRc

At least post the video, the music makes it 10 times cooler.

Who is hype for Build? I'm reasonably excited, trailer looks dope.

>>161392989
I just remembered the biggest changed to Gaim, was that Kaito was OP as fuck and Kouta was a scrub who would lose all the time. Toei didn't allow this because it would hurt the toy sales.

That stab would have been a powerful moment if Kaito was the unbeatable enemy for Kouta like he was supposed to be.
Instead Kouta ends up looking more like a bad guy for killing Kaito.

>>161393141
That Kaito was always lagging behind and Kouta kept getting power-ups on silver platter didn't help either.

>>161393112
Best main rider design in years IMO.

>>161393075
>現場で変えられて一番痛かったのは戒斗のラストのセリフ。
　自分が書いた「弱者が許される世界だ」という部分を「弱者が踏みにじられない世界だ」と勝手に変えられて頭を悩ませた

It was during Kouta and Kaito's exchange before their final fight.
It was changed from a "World where the weak are allowed" to a "World where the weak aren't trampled on".

>>161392310
It's the power of Dan.

>>161393356
truly the best vegeta.

are the movies worth watching?

>>161389143
Madoka

>>161393429
The Gaim movie was shit.

>>161393356
I can personally see the frustration with that line. Kaito was suppose to be this MUH STRENGTH edgelord who accepted that only the strong survive and followed it through and through to get to where he's at. Just because he has a chance to change the world in his image brings up the matter of how the weak should live. It's more fitting for Kaito to deeply want the weak to survive in order to get their chance to be strong, rather than absolutely the weak and strong getting along like what Kouta believes in unification. The change makes it sound like Kaito is willing to let Kouta win because he is both strong and weak, which comes off underwhelming.

>>161393429
Awful but I heard the novel was GOAT. Micchy transitions to a full hero and there are cameos from other Heisei riders.

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>>161389143
This thread kinda makes me want to watch gaim.
I can watch it right if I only watched OOOs , fourze and the first season of amazins right?

>>161393429
Every single Gaim-related movie and crossover/tie-in episode has been dogshit that really dragged the series down than it already does to itself. The worst one is definitely the golden cup movie, since that was a huge clusterfuck of soccer-promotion, shitty characters who only transform once and barely do anything, and horrendous fights. It's so bad, it also made the final episode bad.

>>161393565
Yeah, they're all seperate things, but I'm going to take this opportuity anyway to recommend you check out W at your earliest convenience.

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>>161393565
you totally can 100%orange juice

>>161393509
Kouta also believes that the current world is not hopeless, I think this is the major distinction between their characters.
Kaito believes that the strong lack compassion, and when they do have compassion in case of Takatora, they get taken advantage of by the weak (Micchy).

He wants an ideal world where both the strong are compassionate and the weak are allowed.

>>161393594
>but I'm going to take this opportuity anyway to recommend you check out W at your earliest convenience.
Why is it just that good or is there a specific reason for it?

>>161389143
You mean Sacred Seven? People forgot it while it aired.

I strongly recommend watching Gatchaman for the eye-popping transformations and cool weapons and Garo for the Using Dark Powers For Good theme though.

Really, Garo in general seems to be what you want.

>>161389143
I guess you haven't seen or heard of The Skull Man.

>>161393622
It's just that good mate, it has nothing to do with Gaim and you are free to watch Gaim before it but I still recommend you go back and check on it when you can.

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>>161393637
Garo isn't an Ishinamori based Toku, best best for something close to what Rider should be is the Skull man anime.

>>161393509
kaito believes in the power of strength so much because hes always known he himself is weak.

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>>161393702
Then I'll do just that, thanks mate.

>>161393741
Skull Man anime is probably a bit too much for people who are expecting a rider-style show out of it. It's best to enjoy it as a separate concept entirely, as I did before I got back into toku.

Where should I start with Kamen Rider? I tried the original a long time ago but it got pretty repetitive after the first few episodes. Then I tried starting with Kabuto and it was shit.

>>161393944
Ex-aid is a pretty nice to get into it.

>>161393741
Good point, but Skull Man is... yeah. Even more different.

I forgot, did Cyborg 009 transform?

>>161392815
>It's almost like it's taboo to make Toku into anime.
Really? But why?? I would have loved a Sentai or Kamen rider anime.

Toku hero disc market is a niche.
They are doing their best to sell toys.

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>>161393944
There's not really much in the way of continuity, so you can really start anywhere (except Ghost. Fuck Ghost). Pick whichever one looks interesting to you. My first was Ryuki, although it's pretty removed from the formula as far as Kamen Rider goes. Madoka did draw a lot of inspiration from it, so that might make it easier for someone more used to anime to get into it. Gaim is solid, although there's a lot of nonsense about dancing fruit men you have to get through before the plot kicks in. I personally really like Drive as well, as it has a really good cast, both on the hero side and the villain side.

Also, be warned, the first 3-5 episodes of pretty much every modern rider series are usually bogged down by incredibly shitty CG monsters; push through, they usually run out of budget for that shit real fast.

>>161393774
Kuuga was so fucking good.

>>161390802
Pose related.

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>there's no such thing as a toku anim-

>>161394425
Wizard is so cool, why did his show had to be so shit

>>161390935
>Any patrician would recognize that Kabuto is the best heisei rider.
THIS. It was so good it actually tricked me into thinking I liked the franchise.

>>161389225
>>161389338
>I didn't watch Thunderbolt Fantasy
Get to it right now and you'll change your wrong opinion.

>>161394001
I don't think they did.

>>161394008
Making a Toku into an anime removes all the charm of Toku. I think that's the main reason.

>>161394725
>literal chink puppeteer show
eww

>>161394744
What are the charms of Toku? Special effect? CG can take care of that.

>>161394460
He suffered the worst from the 2-parter formula as well as poorly-thought-out filler. Also didnt help that the side character cast was pretty lame and the enemies being too stereotypical.

>>161394816
your loss

>>161394844
Practical special effects

>>161394844
Tokufags hate CG with a passion, they want special effects and props that exist in real life, that feel can't be replicated with CG or anime.

>>161394816
That show is amazing, at least watch the first episode even if ironically.

>>161391167
Future Diary was a shit adaption, don't lie to yourself.

>>161391167
I assume your talking about another future diary as Mirai Nikki wasn't written by urobutchi

I like the idea of toku, but neither KR nor sentai appeal much to me. Is there anything else worth a watch other than Garo?

>>161394993
Every KR has its own themes and message to teach, I find it a much more rewarding experience than watching Garo.

You should try W or Agito.

>>161391759
Nothing really, I just thought it was pretty meh drama. While watching it, I felt like my time would've been better spent rewatching something like Kabuto or Agito.

>>161394993
There's always Metal Heroes and Ultraman

>>161395283
and Kaiju

>>161394993
Some Rider shows tend to be more serious than others. Kuuga is somewhat similar to Garo. I would also suggest you at least check out the first episodes of Faiz or Kabuto.

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>>161389143
So what was everyones first kamen rider?
W for me

>>161389143
>Why isn't Kamen Rider anime?
Too childish.

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>>161393075
Damn, Gaim had so many truly kino moments.

I really want another Urobuchi season.

>>161396181
I've watched a bit of Kuuga to Ryuki in my childhood, but I got back into rider as of W as well.

>>161396181
Kuuga was the first one I watched and I thought it was really cool. I don't watch every series though and the last one I watched was Gaim. I think I'm going to check out Build however.

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>>161396181
W for me too. I was a bit disappointed in how low-key and tame W's transformation pose was. I was expecting over the top poses.

>>161389143
That's like saying why isn't there tokusatsu Gundam?

>>161396181
Went into Gaim expecting to shit on Urobuchi but I was pleasantly surprised. Continued on with Drive and went back to watch all the Heisei Riders.

>read Kamen Rider Spirits
>oh cool they're doing intros for all the previous riders
>wow everyone is so cool
>ZX is okay, I guess
>well ZX is obviously the protagonist so it's ok that the older riders jobs to him for a bit, at least he's learning stuff from them
>okay, enough ZX wanking
>stop it
Fucking gary stu protag.

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>>161396181
Fourze, because of this image

>>161397028
>Kamen Rider Spirits
Is anyone still translating that?
Is there even raws for Shin any more?

>>161397178
>kaito was almost this guy

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>>161397364
I don't think I would want to read any more ZX wanking.

Look at this shit, they emphasized on how hard they worked on Riderman's bike and how difficult it would be to even make it through the damn cloud, ZX just swoops in in his shiny bike and it made all the hard work pointless and inside the cloud they revealed that a lot of people died so that they could make the damn bike that just blew up pointlessly.

Never watched any Kamen Rider
What's the best to start with?

>>161396181
Decade.
Yeah..

>>161397883
W, OOO or Fourze
For something more serious you could see Kuuga or Agito

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>>161397824
I remember I left the manga around where Hongo was on a rooftop where he was talking about using his pain as power to fight Shocker
Which was like, volume 4 of Shin Spirits I think

I don't mind the wank, I just want to keep reading

>>161397883
Go with OOOs.

>>161397883
Depends if you prefer your rider mostly serious or mostly a comedy.

Just don't start with Kiva, Wizard or Ghost and you're set to go.

>>161391163
Exaid is okay doesn't change the fact that the designs're dumb, one of the worst, no contest

>>161396181
Black RX, then Kiva and I watched almost all Heisei so far.

Den-O is my favorite.

there is, kamen rider sd is fun ova
there's manga also
but honestly fuck krg and meme-aid
shittiest toyetic designs and annoying overall
pretty much gave up on modern kamen rider after fourze
wish we had better subs for some of the older series

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>>161396181
Amazon, da da da.

>>161399867
>hating based Ex-aid
Shi taste

>>161396181
Fourze, it was pretty neat so I watched Ryuki after that.

>>161401385
honestly couldn't stand the fucking armor designs in ex-aid, especially the shitty chibi rider forms. I thought fourse had some shit designs too and ended up going back and watching the whole season after the fact though. has ex-aid gotten better than the first like two episodes? how long does it take for the chibi riders to go away?

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>>161401666
They basically vanish into thin air once DANGEROUS ZOMBIE appears and have shown only in the most recent episode since then.
Their theme songs are fucking cool though.

Isn't it something like Toei actively doesn't want to make one?

So why do you guys hate Showa?

>>161396181
I don't remember honestly but the first Rider I live watched as it aired was OOO's. Pretty great show overall.

>>161389154
>it was a masterpiece.
Fixed

>>161391616
Wait, aren't Black and RX the same guy?

>>161404661
They are
This was an interdimensional shenanigan episode

>>161390958
Modern Kamen Rider

>Shit Design = Fantastic series
>Great Design = Shit

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>>161396181
nobody watch the original? really ?

But yea its sucks, back then it was cool... today you'll just laugh for most effect, but the stunts are real things

>>161394725
Thunderbolt Fantasy may be one of the best things in any medium I have ever witnessed, the art that goes into that is insane

>>161396181
Kuuga/Den-O?

I started in the year 2008

>>161404964
So Build is going to be shit? I guess I'm skipping it then.

>>161405093
The effort that went into that show is crazy. It deserves more recognition.

>>161405279
Don't listen that meme.

>>161405294
I actually have faith in the writer they brought in but we'll have to see how it will eventually turn out.

>>161405041
The first 13 or so episodes were the coolest shit. Felt like a college film project rather than a TV show yet it had tons of charm.
But once Hongo got injured I couldn't get into the new feel of the show.