Which one was less shit?

Why don't you tell us your opinion OP? You dislike both and are afraid that people like them don't you?

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>>161330565
Depends on who you ask. Some will say FT because it never took itself seriously so readers never had high hopes for it unlike they did with Bleach or they just liked FT better overall. Some will say Bleach because FT was just that bad. While others think both were shit from the beginning.

>>161330565
i'd say Bleach, less asspulls, more memorable arcs,fights, and enemies, characters actually died in bleach and better memes FT had better girls and a better ending IMO though.

I miss them both

>>161330565
>FT had better girls
Nah, they all had the same face and same balloon tit body type with a few exceptions here and there. Pretty sure Lucy/Ezra/Juvia/Wendy all have brown eyes as well. The girls in Bleach had great designs that were all different even in small ways, like different eyebrows or eye shape.

Bleach, by a long shot

>>161330565
Bleach, obviously.
>Great art
>No sameface
>Greater female characters designs by miles
>Has a lot of cool scenes

>>161330565
Fairy Tail was always shit.
Bleach had like 1-2 arcs in the beginning that were good but everything fell apart after that.

So I choose Bleach

>>161331379
>sameface
There is sameface, and sameface isn't a problem since it means the artist has come up with their own style, but Kubo does try to make his characters different in small ways which is nice to see.

Objectively speaking, as with most shounen they were both always shit so neither can be better.

bleach at least is good at some point in the series

>>161330565
Bleach at least confirmed couples.

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>>161331379
>Bleach, obviously.
>Great art
>No sameface
kek
>Has a lot of cool scenes
Yeah if you're 12
>>161331617
And Bleachfags continue to be he most delusional fanbase on /a/

>>161332302
>Yeah if you're 12
well...SHONEN.

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>>161332302
>assblasted FTfag is angry everyone said Bleach
I'm not surprised. FTfags have always tried to push FT to make the Western "Big Three" into the "Big Four" but literally everyone ignored them.

>>161332302
It does have sameface, but nowhere as bad as FT in my opinion. The main gang of Bleach look completely different in terms of designs, especially Orihime and Rukia whereas the main gang of FT basically look the same. Natsu and Gray look alike along with Wendy and Erza who share everything but the hairstyle/color while Wendy simply looks different because she's a loli. I just feel like Kubo gave more variety to his characters especially the women.

>>161332811
>bleach sameface
Give me one example you came up with on your own

>>161330565

Bleach. FT was always poor men's One Piece( + fanservice, but still really dumb ).

>>161331379
>greater character design
not really, Rukia suffers of a bland personality and i dont wanna talk about the other girls...

>>161332865
Toshiro and Rukia practically have the sameface in the last two arcs. Also Kubo's bishounen face is strong in Ichigo/Uryu/Byakuya.

>>161332984
>character DESIGN
>personality

>>161330565
Fairy tale is a massive volcano or turds, whereas reading bleach is pretty much the complete absence of sensation. Fairy Tale is worse, and that's saying something, even awful manga like Bleach are insulted being mentioned next to Fairy Tale.

>>161332984
that anon was talking about design, not personality.

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>>161333118
I've never once confused rukia with toshiro.

>>161330565
Both are awful. Bleach baited us into a payoff that never happened, while Fairy Tail was lazy in every sense of the word. FT has more fappable girls so I guess it wins?

>>161333197
Neither have I since they have a different hairstyle/color, but they undoubtedly have the same eye shape.

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>>161333286
They don't though.

>>161333210
>FT has more fappable girls
Yoruichi alone makes your statement wrong.

>>161331617
>>161332302
>There is sameface
Of course it has one or two. Especially for bishounen characters.
But Bleach sameface is not as bad as FT. Hell, even FT design looks so similar with One Piece design, a completely different series.
That's how bad FT designs are.

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>>161333421
The only sameface in Bleach I can think off is black ichigo but only because he's literally family and it's foreshadowing

>>161333210
>FT has more fappable girls so I guess it wins?

>Rangiku
>Yoruichi
>Orihime
>And all those well proportioned female characters designs
Yea. I think you're not even read Bleach at all.

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>>161333316
Yes they do.

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>>161333467
Is he part of the same family too?

>>161333335
>>161333572
Yoruichi is an ugly as piss curry nigger though.

Only homosexuals could look at her without vomiting.

>>161332984
She also looks like a dude.

Not a pretty one either.

Definitely bleach for the fighting scenes and powerlevel wankery alone

Bleach had fewer asspulls, actually killed people when it killed people (minus Byakuya bcuz fan girls), and respected the main villain waaaay more than FT.

No contest
Bleach used to be good during the soul society arc(and even before)
FT has always been shit

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>>161333467
>Bleachfags will defend this

>>161333122
Is really rukia a good character design? Of course she is the best on his series

>>161334369
>Is really rukia a good character design?
Nothing about it really stands out much like her character

>>161334318
I'm pretty sure that's done on purpose.

Bleach was decent, then mediocre, then bad. FT was mediocre then bad.

So Bleach wins.

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>>161334318
What's there to defend? I don't go to tumblr so I don't have any reason to defend it.

>>161334176
Bleach is well know for its brilliant foreshadowing.

>>161334318
hold the fuck on. Is that Todoroki?

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>>161334318
That's not even by Kubo though. It was a fan copying his style.

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>>161330565
Bleach by a long shot.
Just think about it. Even when bleach was dropping to the ground the threads were at least fun. Fairy Tail was awful from the manga to the discussion.

>>161334369
>Of course she is the best on his series
I don't agree, but I think her design matches her personality perfectly.

>>161333316
LMAO, THAT'S NOT EVEN RUKIA.
Thanks for proving yourself wrong bud.

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>>161334212
>Yoruichi is an ugly as piss
Shit taste m8.

Bleach had some aesthethic characters though, like the captain commander and the lazy vice commander or whatever he was

When opening thread I thought it was such an obvious question OP had to be retarded. Goddamnit even considering some of /a/'shit taste, I never would've thought there'd exist turdlickers shameless enough to argue FT could be better than fucking Bleach.
Bleach was a mediocre show I dropped even before the "saving rukia' arc ended, but come on. FT is so fucking shit it has to compete with maybe fan-made manga drawn by highschooler to win.

>>161330565
Bleach, by a long shot. The story was, at the very least. equally as shit as FT, considering how convoluted it got for such a weak payoff. However, it had genuinely entertaining moments and, for a big chunk of the manga, an amazing antagonist.. Say whatever you want about Kubo, but he has style and does not give a shit about being completely ridiculous. Bleach turned into an amazing trainwreck, FT always felt like a train that never even took off.

>>161334544
>>161330732
You made a point, FT was only fun and waifu/ships faggotry.

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>>161334660
I prefer her kid sister.

>>161330982
>The girls in Bleach had great designs that were all different even in small ways, like different eyebrows or eye shape.

Honestly, this. All that FT "has" is the girls, but Bleach surpassed it in that area by a landslide.

>>161334822
I'm not saying I don't believe you or that I don't value your opinion. But I do wonder what you do consider good if you disliked Bleach so much.

>>161334951
Probably just dislikes FT more.

>>161334660
>likes literal shitskins
>claims I have shit taste

>>161335126
I'm just curious as to what he likes.

>>161334829
Aren't we all still waiting Narita Aizen flashback?

>>161335158
I'm not.

>>161335307
you're entitled to yours

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Having watched neither, and being a normie, I can say definitively that fairy tale is less shit judging solely from OPs pic.
T. lil brother has watched bleach twice and he has shit taste.

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>>161335352
Your little brother has great taste. Would keikaku with.

>>161335158
I don't even understand your butthurt. What makes you so enraged in me dropping Bleach ? I admit Kubo has a knack for drawing trendy teenagers in cool outfits having supernatural shenanigans in their city. He did great power designs like Chad's arm or Ichigo's weird oversized katana. But discarding everything he was good at to go on a generic samurai vs samurai powerlevel trip was a stupid decision.
Then we got katana fights with somehow very little deaths and no gore, powerlevel shenanigans, Kenpachi being hyped up to hell only to do some lukewarm equal fight with a 15yo Ichigo, and so on.
I won't even give you any manga title for you to attack, instead tell me what do you see in Bleach. Bleach's cover with Kukaku was the first manga I've ever seen at that time, but goddamn even nostalgia can't save it.

>>161335543
I am not enraged or butthurt at all anon. If I gave off that impression that might solely be on my end but still I haven't really heard an answer to my question.

>>161335352
Nah you're stupid and a faggot. Judging by OP pic you see Bleach as a somewhat edgy thing with swordsmen, and FT as a badly doodled beach slice of life. Compare the quality of drawing in the faces alone, and if you're not ashamed for Mashima you're a faggot.

>>161335584
My answer is:
"No Bleachfag I will not give you any manga title for you to shit on just because your fanatism toward that mediocre powerlevel shonen was offended."
If anything, even a manga I didn't like all that much but still leagues above Bleach while still talking about samurai would be Shigurui.
Now confirm my predictions by going apeshit on it, crying how my taste must be sooo bad for putting Shigurui above your cherished Bleach.

>>161335744
I'm not offended though. will you give me an answer?

>>161335770
>not offended
Then why do you persist in wanting me to tell you what manga I enjoy, if not for avenging your hurt feelings ?
I gave you Shigurui, go ahead and please yourself with it.

>>161335543
>Ichigo oversized katana
>great design

>>161335835
>Shigurui
The twins with the sister arc was weird as fuck.

>>161335867
A lot of wierd things happened.
>>161335845
It looked cool in situ.

>>161335835
>Then why do you persist in wanting me to tell you what manga I enjoy
Because I'm curious.

>>161336217
Okay then. Strongest Man Kurosawa. Read not too long ago. Had me panting, had me hoping, had me fearing, had me laughing. Greatest thing I've read in a while, and I read quite a lot, not only manga.

>>161336507
>comedy
>had me fearing

>>161336644
come on it had its moments of suspense. Also I feared the worst at the end, and goddamnit you know what I'm talking about.

>>161334919
>sister

>>161330565
Fairy Tail has more sloots so that

>>161330565
Bleach, but barely.

>>161330982
Other than Orihime and Rangiku all the other bleach girls were shit...and Lucy >>>>>>>>> those too

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>>161336507
>Strongest Man Kurosawa
Not that anon, but I like that manga and I like Bleach as well.

>>161331379
>No sameface
You're joking right?

>>161336930
>lucy
>better than any bleach girl
ok ftfag

>>161332883
Bleach was always poor men's Yu Yu Hakusho/Mankin( + fanservice, but still really dumb ).

>>161336997
The only thing similar about YYH and Bleach are the main characters are rough around the edges and the spirit world, but it ends there.

>>161335845
>characters all wore identical outfits
>great design

>>161337127
You're just nitpicking though. Those are the standard Shinigami robes that have to be worn. The Arrancar however had more freedom in terms of clothing.

>>161336997
more like a poor men's saint seiya.

How come the ending to both were so bad? At least Naruto had an ending so good it redeemed the entirety of the 2nd half of the series.

>>161337180
Only reason shinigami robes "have to be worn" is because Kubo's lazy as shit.

If he had any real talent he could've designed unique outfits for every single character in the cast.

>>161337273
No it didn't.

>>161337273
>At least Naruto had an ending so good it redeemed the entirety of the 2nd half of the series.
The ending wasn't so good though. It was the typical married with kids happy ending that a series like Kenshin did a lot better. The only good thing about if you didn't care about pairings was Naruto finally becoming the Hokage.

>>161336930
>lucy
you mean the girl from rave master whatever her name is? Hiro can't draw unique character. he should just draw hentai doujin

>>161337347
>Naruto finally becoming the Hokage

And that's the thing. It's satisfying.

>>161337377
To be fair...

Ellie from rave master is in fact objectively more attractive than any bleach girl.

>>161337389
>t's satisfying.
Part of me would've liked to seen the village destroyed since it was shitty.

>>161337476
>Ellie from rave master is in fact objectively more attractive than any bleach girl.
not to me

>>161330565
Fairy Tail had an actual ending.
And the girls(especially the lolis) were infinitely better in Fairy Tail.

>>161337527
Well your opinion is ultimately irrelevant.

>>161337681
Just like your opinion anon.

>>161330565
Bleach was worse but you could have more fun making fun of it and laughing about how very little is explained and nothing makes sense.

Fairy Tail is so bland and cliche that I cant even complain about it properly. It's like trying to deride a blank piece of paper.

>>161330565
left
both in artstyle and story
honestly there's no point for FT, even bleach girls are hotter

>>161330565
Bleach was bullshit but they never had the "because it's Erza" situation.

>>161337728
But mine isn't an opinion though.

Did you miss where I stated she's objectively more attractive?

>>161337864
It had "because I'm Kenpachi" though

>>161330565
>No NaLu
Trash

>>161334212
>Yoruichi is an ugly as piss curry nigger though.
Finally someone who tells the truth

>>161334829
>Aizen
>amazing antagonist
He was baby's first villian sue

>>161337598
>an actual ending
No it didn't. There's no finality or sense of conclusiveness in FT's ending. It's just "Our adventure continues!" which was more in common with manga that got cancelled early.

Seriously, between Bleach, FT, and Naruto, only Naruto had something that you can unironically and comfortably call an ending.

>>161337930
Kenpachi got his ass beat a few times though, and never had to resort to "nakama power" or anything like that. The guy just loved to kill and wreck shit.

>>161338041
hes better than any fairy tail villian. thats for sure.

>>161337598
Wait Fairy Tail ended? Why? Not popular enough?

>>161338041
How was he anything like that at all? Bleach is unironically too complex for you faggots to start making fun of it I swear

>>161338049
Bleach and Naruto were good, but then turned to shit whereas FT was shit from the beginning. With Bleach and Naruto, there are memorable arcs/memorable fights/memorable scenes that still stick with fans despite all these years, you literally don't have that with FT. There are no memorable scenes, no memorable villains, no memorable fights, or characters that really stuck with you; it was bland and boring. There is no character in FT that is as beloved as say Itachi from Naruto or Gin from Bleach and that's me being generous since those two aren't even the most popular characters from their respective series.

>>161338094
'lolkillingshitforfun doesn't excuse the fact that he's a blatant gary stu

It's like these stupid fucks will excuse amything.

Bleach, because it actually managed to be good at some point

>>161338388
Kenpachi couldn't do shit to the giant bird even with his bankai.

>>161330565
Both are better than One Piece

>>161335543
>Kenpachi being hyped up to hell only to do some lukewarm equal fight with a 15yo Ichigo
Woah
That fight was hype...especially in the anime
I hate everything Bleach after Soul Society(except some of the anime filler arcs like based Bount arc) but Soul Society arc was bretty gud

objectively speaking, bleach was never good.

anyone who deludes themselves into thinking otherwise should get themselves checked for brain tumors.

>>161337377
>Hiro can't draw unique character.
Neither can Kubo

Then again Elle looks nothing like Lucy

>>161338459
>hype
>literally involved deus ex machina

It's almost like people have never read a proper fight in their lives

>>161337073
Fullbringer is a ripoff of Chapter Black

>>161337196
It stole a lot of shit from YYH and Mankin too tho.

>>161338388
and ezra was a blatant mary stu who was 100x worse than kenpachi ever was

>>161330565
bleach: at least it had 1 good arc

Psyren was better than Bleach.

>>161337598
>No NaLu
>ending

>>161338569
They're equally terrible

>>161337864
It had "because it's Aizen" though
Fucker is still alive in the end

>>161338467
BUT MUH SOUL SOCIETY

>>161330565
Fairy Tail was more consistent.

>>161338634
Aizen was a villain, Erza was part of the main characters since the start.

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>>161338467
>objectively speaking
Your opinion isn't a fact. Hate to break it to you.

>>161338510
It's obvious the conclusion of the fight is bullshit but the fight itself was fun to watch.

Bleach went to shit when they introduced Aizen and that retard Kubo thought he could do an overarching story.

>>161338669
I agree. It was consistent in being bland, cliche, and disappointing. It was a series that never took off which is why it's fans never expected anything in the first place.

>>161338683
You could make the argument that it doesn't uphold the basics of writing and therefore can be objectively considered 'not good' But really who cares? Whether it's objective or subjective it's still a matter of opinion in the end.

>>161334822
>Bleach was a mediocre show I dropped even before the "saving rukia' arc ended, but come on
So you dropped it long before most considered it to become truly terrible and feel equipped to evaluate?

>>161330565
Bleach. It had its glaring flaws, but it still had its great moments. It was a mixed bag and an overall solid series.

Fairy Tail was just cliché garbage through and through. Fucking Naruto was better than Fairy Tail.

>>161338677
Well if we're gonna go that way it had "Because it's Ichigo"
Final Getsuga Tensho is still all sorts of bullshit

>>161338710
That's pretty much what I mean. Bleach didn't seem to have any worth for about 8 years or something. Just continually got more and more baffling

>>161338710
>It was a series that never took off
Uhhh it literally had 2 anime adaptations and the manga consistently had higher rankings than Bleach.

It might have not done as well as Bleach in the west but in Nipland this shit is massive.

>>161330565
bleach was less shit even my younger brother hated fairy tail and its his age group that should be eating that shit up the most. he hated how no one died,hated the whole "because shes ezra" comment and he hated how the final boss died because of nakama magic.

>>161338683
It's not my opinion though it's a fact based on the general consensus on what's considered passable writing.

>>161338695
sorry to break it to you but If you thought the fight was fun to watch then you must have the brain capacity of a chimp or something.

>>161338770
Fairy tale is not massive in nipland. Who even told you this?

>>161338770
>using japan's taste as an argument
Japan is known for having shit taste, they ranked Jesus Yamato as the top 1 male mc for years.

>>161338757
>That's pretty much what I mean.
I'm glad we both agree that FT was bland, cliche, and disappointing.

>>161334064
Rukia is so much better than Hitsugaya wish we could have seen her Bankai more.

Fairy Tail isn't even worth remembering and won't be in a couple of years.

People still talk about early Bleach and Soul Society and will continue doing so.

>>161338903
Okay?

I don't understand the need for reiteration unless you're subtly implying you're a fan of Bleach. In which case, they're both terrible series, and I'm not invested in this.

>>161338889
Did you even read what I responded to? I was never arguing about it's quality, I was just saying that FT was popular as fuck in Japan and that is true.

>Bleach
Substitute Shinigami Arc: 7/10
Soul Society Arc: 10/10
Arrancar Arc: 6/10
Hueco Mundo Arc: 8/10
Turn Back the Pendulum: 9/10
Fake Karakura Town Arc: 5/10
Deicide: 7/10
Lost Shinigami Agent Arc: 6/10
Thousand Year Blood War Arc: First half 8/10, second half 5/10.

Overall: 7/10.

>Fairy Tail
Complete Dogshit.

Bleach has its up and down. Every arc of Fairy Tail is literally the same i dont even know how the fuck it managed to stay alive this long

>>161338828
It was fun though.

>>161330565
Bleach starts off quite interesting than evolves into an awful pile of shit

Fairy Tail is consistently mediocre

>>161339051
>FT was popular as fuck in Japan and that is true.
It's not though.

>>161339077
>rating Soul Society, Hueco Mundo, Turn Back the Boredulum, Thousand Year Boredom arcs over the first godtier arc
Kill yourself

>>161334064
To be fair Kubo's shoulder was getting majorly fucked up during the last arc. It was one of the main reasons he cut it short.

>>161339077
Mexico Mundo is 4/10 at best

Full Bringer arc is fucking irrevant i dont even know why it exists beside serving as a plot device to give Ichigo his shit back

The second half of the last arc is pure unfiltered garbage. Kubo cant conclude things for shit and always have to resort to "lel cliff hanger 2deep4u" and last minute asspull

>>161338588
Then why did it get cancelled?

>>161332865
Sixth seat Aizen and Aizen, that the Balance Quincy and long hair Ichigo

Bleach same face, though very few, still exist

>>161339176
Same reason why Mx0 got cancelled.

>>161339176
It was less interesting than Naruto

>>161339189
>that the Balance Quincy and long hair Ichigo
Quincies are kinda iffy in that regard. Those two do come from the same genepool.

>>161339176
Delete this

>>161339120
>60+ manga volumes over 11 years
>2 anime adaptations
>2 movies and shit-tons of OVA's
>countless spinoffs and shit
>quite a few video games
>not popular
Yeah ok anon whatever you say

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>>161336930
Literally the most retarded opinion on /a/.

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>>161339189
>long hair ichigo
Who?

>>161339138
I know. It's a shame his health was declining, but the writing was still on and off. He should've hired a writer to help him with his concepts, but from his latest interview, he seems extremely protective of his work.

>>161339125
>first godtier arc
Oh fuck off with this shitty meme. The first arc was just setup to establish the characters and the universe. It was good but if it remained monster of the week the whole time it would've gotten boring. Soul Society is commonly agreed as the best arc in the series for a reason.

>>161339368
>that pic
you're just proving my point
orihime and rangiku are the only ones worth fucking

>>161339296
Why did it end if it was popular?

>>161334656
I think that's the joke

>>161334064
Literally do not look alike. As a hitsufag I am insulted by your poor eyesight.

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>>161339394
You fuck off
Bleach should have never went to Soul Society
Kill yourself you filthy secondary kiddie who started with Soul Society

>>161339107
>Devolve
Bleach has alot of that cringy early 2000's bullshit with it.

>>161339511
>early 2000's
I love it.

>>161339438
Because Mashima wanted it that way unlike Kubo where Bleach got cut short kek

But either way FT might have not been as popular as Bleach in it's prime but it was far more of a stable seller.
Many popular manga out there get canceled at times.

>>161339486
>wanting stagnation
The only thing wrong with Bleach is not inventing powers for Keigo, Mizuiro and Tatsuki

>>161339374
Ichigo with his hair long, fuck do you think

>>161339077
went to trash after soul society
indefensible

>>161339549
>Because Mashima wanted it that way
Truly he wanted his uninspired lifework to be cut short because he cared for it to end. Truly seems logical. For a shameless man just abiding by the capitalistic standards of his society to suddenly have an ounce of shame. FT was cancelled. Whether you like the show or not is irrelevant.

>>161339560
If you can't give me a name...

>>161339557
How was Substitute Shinigami arc stagnation?
The stories in each chapter as well as the artwork had way more effort put into it.

If anything Soul Society is stagnation since it devolves into a series of non-stop fights with far less character development.

People criticize the first arc for it's Monster-of-the-week format as if that's actually a bad thing which I don't really get. At least the monsters were far more unique in their designs and made for far more entertaining and engaging stories than generic garbage like the Gotei 13

Bleach could have been an episodic action horror/comedy manga and instead it turned into a generic battle shonen which sucks.

>>161330565
Bleach was at least good before it degraded, Fairy Tail was shit from the first chapter.

>>161339760
Why do people reddit-space? It makes me not want to read their argument.

>>161339599
FT was not canceled though and I don't even like FT. What's next? Naruto was canceled? Dragon Ball was canceled in '95? Fuck outta here.

You forget that Mashima also had a major hit before Fairy Tail with RAVE too. I think he's a giant hack of an author but credit where credit's due he knows how to make successful shit.

>>161339795
>This meme again
You need to go back

>>161339830
Successful doesn't make it good.

>>161339860
Just look >>>161339830 how can you take someone like that seriously?
Naruto and Dragon Ball weren't cancelled. In fact they were so popular they're now on life-support.

>>161339830
Rave was shit too, dont you niggas fucking pretend otherwise

>>161339860
>>161339961
he never said it was good. are you guys retarded?

>>161339961
He's just saying that the dude knows how to make a commercial success. Which is a talent. Just look at Miyazaki. He knows how to write movies children will lap up. That is also a skill. None we should care about as consumers that want to read GOOD stories. But still a skill nonetheless.

>>161339404
Big talk from a guy who's never gotten any before.

>>161340061
well those girls aren't real so...

>>161330565

Bleach had decent arcs,
FT has better girls.

>>161330565
whichever one has a more recent anime adaptation is less shit.

I still love the crap out of both series, so kill me.

>>161339906
I never said it was.

>>161339913
Neither was Fairy Tail you massive idiot.

>>161339961
Again, get a fucking brain. I never said it was good, I sad it was successful...as in it sold millions of copies and got anime adaptation and shit.

>>161340161
Fairy Tail has ended. It was cancelled. Unlike Dragon Ball and Naruto which are still going strong.

>>161339913
No you need to go back. It's obvious you're a giant newfag. People used to post that way here 10 years ago and nobody was complaining about "reddit spacing" then.

>>161340198
And people used tripcodes for over 10 years too. Something happening long ago doesn't make it suddenly okay. Or is shitposting okay because they did that 10 years ago too?

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Mashima mastered the art of drawing T&A,
but he really needs to hire a writer for his next work, he's awful at it.

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>>161330565
>>161330732
>>161331425
>>161333210

Bleach was legit good Pre Reaper and Soul Society.

Arrancar Arc was entertaining as well since it justified the idea of Aizen and the Arrancars being popular as all hell while still writing good for the most part.

Fake Karakura Town War was the first legit bad arc due to glacial pacing, editorial mandating and Kubo stupidity.

Fullbring tried to bring back the sense of Pre-Reaper and had some good aspects like Tsukahima + Book of End and Riruka. However, it's considered the worst arc of the series for a reason.

1000 Year Blood was was mostly good and was the 3rd best arc of the series. It legit pulled back to the history of the Quincy written in the first two arcs, applied some of the writing from the 3rd arc and rectified criticisms of the 4th arc. See image for details.

>Fairy Tail
It was shit for the majority of the run and stole what Bleach, One Piece and Naruto did in varying degrees.

>>161340188
It was not canceled though. There's an upcoming anime season in 2018 that will cover the rest of the manga and the series has like 60 million copies in print.

Only an idiot can say FT was not a massive success when it actually was.

>>161340303
It was cancelled though

Bleach was pretty good at one point fairy tail was always a pretty nothing series. Its shonen tropes the series

>>161340255
Go back already.

>>161340370
>can't refute
Thought so.

>>161340332
Like Boku no Hero Academia

>>161340296
I don't see what FT stole from Bleach or Naruto. It definitely is a huge ripoff of One Piece though.

Bleach was a massive ripoff of YYH, Saint Seiya, Mankin and even fucking Inuyasha(Hogyoku is literally Shikon no Tama)

>>161340331
No it wasn't but continue to believe that.

>>161340464
Then why did it end? Thought so.

>>161340436

> FT a rip-off of OP

I want this meme to end.

>>161340332
>Its shonen tropes the series
But so is Bleach...in fact even moreso after Soul Society.

Fairy Tail on the other hand feels like they took the whole "Waaaaah muh Nakama" shit from One Piece and overblowed it until it felt like a goddamn parody.

>>161340420
i rate bnha a bit higher cause it goes through it fast enough that i am entertained and i like the characters

>>161330565
>Which one was less shit?
Bleach.

It started as a fairly conventional shounen, but had its own mechanic. The manga version had nice character omakes while the anime had "coolness". It went downhill as soon as Byakuya showed up to herald the Soul Society Arc.

Fairy Tail was formulaic from the start. It was as if it started at the Soul Society Arc.

Both are good if you're relatively new to manga/anime. But I've been watching/reading anime/manga for awhile, and I would drop Fairy Tail before Bleach... although ironically, I've read way more Fairy Tail than Bleach.

>>161340478
Because Mashima was bored doing Fairy Tail. Fuck sake drawing TnA for 11 years non-stop must be really mentally and physically tiring.

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>>161340478

Bleach definitely got rushed/canned,
I think Kubo confirmed it somewhere.

Mashima ended FT on his own accord, I think he just got bored of the manga since he gave no fucks about anything in the last chapters.

>>161340534
>Both are good if you're relatively new to manga/anime
Not new to either, but I still like Bleach.

>>161340553
>>161340565
>can't answer
>still makes the claim

>>161340534
>It started as a fairly conventional shounen
Actually it didn't. Bleach didn't start out as a battle shonen. It started out as an action horror/comedy manga at first before devolving into generic battle shonen faggotry in the Soul Society arc.

>>161340565
>I think Kubo confirmed it somewhere.
Nope, he actually said he drew the final chapter the way he wanted putting importance on the kids meeting. We don't know if he was canned or not, but we do know his health was bad and his shoulder was torn up and he had to get surgery after he finished the series.

>>161330565

Bleach.

FT was fucking terrible and had 0 redeemable traits, maybe 1 if you enjoyed the fanservice.

Bleach at least had a high point initially before it devolved into a convoluted pile of baloney.

>>161340436
>Bleach was a massive ripoff of YYH, Saint Seiya, Mankin and even fucking Inuyasha(Hogyoku is literally Shikon no Tama)

1. The only arc that got WAY too close to YYH was Fullbring. YYH had demons, Underworld and Tournament Arcs as it's bread, butter, meat and cheese. Bleach lacks or doesn't flat out have any of those.

2. The only thing Saint Seiya had in common with Bleach was the idea of massive groups fighting one another. Kubo was a huge fan of the series and said it was his inspiration to the fighting.

3. I have no idea what Mankin is so I didn't even see anything of that.

4. Inuyasha was just a repetitive mess of the same plot over and over again. The comparison is superficial at best.

>>161340565
Dude, Bleach was rushed because of editorial interference. If the manga's final arc was suppose to be bad, then the editorial department would have canned it YEARS ago. The reasons why the 1000 Year Blood War lasted 20 volumes is because Kubo was making money from it selling better than 75% of most manga in WSJ along with good writing for the most part. Again, see >>161340296 for details on the arc

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>>161340606

>>161340574
Here you idiot
http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/news/2017-05-11/hiro-mashima-fairy-tail-manga-to-end-in-2-more-volumes/.115944

>>161340296
>it's considered the worst arc of the series for a reason

And that reason being?

>>161340574
Fair 'nuff.

>>161340628
Nah, it was conventional for the time. Sadly, "Generic Battle Shounen Faggotry" as you put it, seems to be the new conventional.

>>161340436
>huge rip-off of One Piece

Fuck off with this shit, and this is coming from a devoted long-time One Piece fan who dropped FT. FT has more in line with Rave (which was made by the same author of FT), not One Piece.

>>161340815
Treading too close to YYH and Chapter Black, fans wanting the Soul Reapers back so they came back in the 3rd act, the fact that its only 6 volumes where the other arcs are 8, 12, 12, 16 and 20 volumes and the fact that it's basically filler to get to the good stuff.

Take your pick

>>161340659
>The only arc that got WAY too close to YYH was Fullbring.
The first arc had way too many elements from Yu Yu Hakusho

Soul Society is a massive ripoff of Sanctuary arc

Of course you don't know what Mankin is you flaming faggot hint it's Shaman King
It ripped off Oversouls with the Zanpakuto thing, ripped off the whole Soul King shit from Shaman King itself, Aizen is a shit version of Hao etc.

>>161337347
Kenshin got married?? Kenshin the Battousai? The fuck? I thought the series ended with him killing the fire mummy guy.

>>161340855
Well it wasn't a Battle Shonen at first...just like YYH. So in that respect it wasn't exactly covnentional.

>>161330565
Bleach. Still sad its over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ty-Nqm4Pdc

>>161340867
The art-style in the beginning was trying hard to copy One Piece. The whole guild/nakama thing is very similar to the pirate gangs in One Piece.

FT is like almost a parody of One Piece.

>>161340916
>The first arc had way too many elements from Yu Yu Hakusho

How? They don't have Demons or Underworld or utilize anything good from that arc. The only good thing to come out of that boring ass Sanctuary arc was the introduction of the Toguro Brothers. The Black Market dudes? No personality save for one.

>Calls it Mankin
>Shaman King

Dude, that manga was average at best and wasn't even interesting to begin with. There is a reason why it was dropped hard while Bleach was one of the Big 3 along with Naruto and One Piece

>>161340867
And rave is an OP rip off. What's your point?

>>161340934
Yes, he got married to Kaoru and had a son with her.

>>161341256
And then Kenshin died like a dog in the middle of the road.

>>161341298
Nope. That's anime-only. In the manga, he even had a wife before Kaoru who was named Tomoe. He gets a happy ending in canon.

>>161341079
Yusuke dying and then getting revived by Botan is pretty similar to Rukia giving her powers to Ichigo to save his family. Ichigo being a substitute shinigami is very similar to Yusuke becoming a spirit detective. Stuff like that.

ShaMAN KINg
It's a nickname for the series you newfag

And no Mankin ain't average you giant pleb. It's far superior to any of those manga I've listed actually...including YYH and definitely trash like Bleach. Mankin was phenomenal from start to finish, you can't say the same for Bleach.

>>161341046
No, the art style was copying Rave.

I swear to God, it feels more and more like I was the only one who saw that chapter 1 color spread of FT and thought "Oh, is that a new Rave?" due to the art style and Plue being there back in 2007. "One Piece" never crossed my mind whenever I see FT's art back, then. Always "Rave".

>>161341354
>Yusuke dying and then getting revived by Botan is pretty similar to Rukia giving her powers to Ichigo to save his family

But Yusuke died. And they had a whole arc about reviving him. Ichigo never died in that first chapter. In fact, he didn't "die" until around say volume 40 by Ulquiorra. Can't call it the same when you are trying to string superficial things together.

>Ichigo being a substitute shinigami is very similar to Yusuke becoming a spirit detective

That's just taking a proper pronoun and saying 'same thing'. It's the only bit you actually have argued true. Otherwise it's pretty different. Lack of demons, Hell is thrown out after 4 pages, Ichigo never has to fight for Soul Society in this time, etc.

>ShaMAN KINg
NOBODY FUCKING CALLS IT THAT YOU IDIOT. It's Shaman King. NOBODY I have talked to about the series of has ever said its "ManKin".

>It's far superior to any of those manga I've listed actually...including YYH and definitely trash like Bleach. Mankin was phenomenal from start to finish, you can't say the same for Bleach.

Okay faggot, whatever you say. Jesus, it sure is summer in here. Shaman King was a forgettable title that was average at it's best and people don't care for like they do with YYH or Bleach.

Both of those series are objectively superior to Shaman King.

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>>161341354
>Mankin was phenomenal from start to finish
Yet it got cancelled so obviously you're hyping it up.

>>161341521
>NOBODY FUCKING CALLS IT THAT YOU IDIOT. It's Shaman King. NOBODY I have talked to about the series of has ever said its "ManKin".

How come the scanlation group is called "Mankin-Trad"?

Both are better than Hunter x Hunter.

>>161341558
Never heard of them dude. For years, nobody ever called the series "Mankin". Everybody I talked to or even said the title always called it "Shaman King".

Get that shitty lingo out of here.

>>161341555
This. Shaman King wasn't anything phenomenal.

>>161341521
>NOBODY FUCKING CALLS IT THAT YOU IDIOT.
mankin-trad.net/

For the love of fuck stop embarrassing yourself.
Even fucking Takei himself calls it that.
Stop commenting on things you've never read/watched you goddamn newfag.

>>161341354
>phenomenal
>axed series
what did he mean by this

>>161341143
Except it isn't? Tell me the similarities between "a ragtag group of heroes going on an adventure around the world of fantasy".

Might as well say almost every single JRPG in existence to be a One Piece rip-off, then.

>>161330565
Bleach was superior obviously because: more blood, amazing character design, and people died. Fairy Tail was aimed for very little kids, nobody dies and not too much blood.

>>161341636
Again, who? Nobody knows who this "Mankin-trad" nonsense is.

But again, I've watched the series, I've talked to people about the series. NOBODY has ever called it among any of my friends or online. STFU on the lingo and just talk normally.

>>161341666
Much better written arcs too.

>>161341636
This is why you don't argue with Bleachfags. Just let them live in their delusions

>>161341555
It got canceled because of the same reasons Bleach did actually. The latter half of the series was paced slowly(although it was actually good unlike Bleach) and some people didn't like that(although like Bleach the volumes sold well consistently)

Back then Jump was far more ruthless when a series started getting unpopular in the ratings. It's also partly because Takei himself was getting tired of keeping up with the fans' demands(as he said back when the series was originally canceled)

>>161341415
>Rave's art style
>doesn't look like OP
Pick one. Haru's "serious face" is literally Luffy's but with different hair.

>>161341625
>Shaman King wasn't anything phenomenal.
You haven't ever read it, please stop pretending you did.

>>161330565
Both are cancerous trash from two of the worst mangaka ever, but Bleach is still a 2/10 manga at least. FT is an easy 1/10 in my books.

What is it Mashima moved on to after fairy tail, anyway?

>>161341648
Many great series have been canceled
Also refer to >>161341756

>>161341756
But Bleach's Final Arc was MUCH better than Shaman King's second half.

That alone made Bleach the better story than Shaman King.

Also, Bleach was able to go longer because of fans buying his books.

>>161341804
I HAVE READ IT. It's not.

>>161341717
Real oldfags do, not redditors like you.
You need to go back.

>>161341862
Nigga Bleach final arc was absolute dog turd. Just like everything after SS

>>161341862
>nuh uh it's bad because I said so

>>161330565
bleach was legit the best shit until the rukia throw. anything after that shit be rated differently

>>161341717
The post you quoted literally said Takei himself called it that, you fuckwit.

It's the typical Japanese abbreviation like how they call Boku no Hero Academia as HeroAca or Tennis no Oujisama as TeniPuri, or Madoka Magica as MadoMagi.

Lurk the fuck more.

>>161341885
Dude I saw the series on 4kids and read it during the SJ monthly packs.

Nobody called it that.

>>161341897
>>161341919

No, it was good. read here >>161340296


>>161341927
STOP FUCKING MAKING UP LINGO DUMB ASS. NOBODY CALLED IT THAT IN REALITY. STOP.

>>161330565
Bleach had a great first few arcs and has some good characters while FT has always been shit.

>>161330565
Bleach had confirmed ships at the end, but Fairy Tail got away with a guy fucking a loli and getting her pregnant.

>>161341885
You just proved that you're a newfag with the spacing.

>>161340296
whoever that did that image is a fucking genius

>>161341862
No you have not
Otherwise you would not spew out bullshit like this
>But Bleach's Final Arc was MUCH better than Shaman King's second half.

You could argue that maybe Bleach's Final Arc is better than the atrocity that was Flower and I'm not gonna argue with you on that one...but definitely not to the OG one

Bleach was squandered potential, it really felt like Kubo ran out of ideas so he tried to quickly tie everything up. The Quincy reveals were ruined by the the lackluster arc in itself. Some points were finalized, but other seemed to be made up on the spot to attempt to wrap things up. The overarching plan was good, but the execution fell flat.
Fairy Tail held itself more or less consistently but I couldn't be immersed knowing that Erza will win because Erza, though it was clear that the power of friendship would trump all since that was already a theme from the start. I'm not a shipperfag, but another bonus is that the author started pairing some characters off rather early on, rather than the romance element really feeling weak and just tacked on on top.
Overall I'd say Bleach is worse on the count that it could've been better, though Fairy Tail only wins because it was consistently predictable, it was alright for what it was.
Kubo needs to go draw some porn.

>>161341924
>until the rukia throw.
why only until there? are you an ichirukifag or something?

>>161341828
Still not anything but it seems he's planning to start a new manga sometime soon. I wonder if it'll be TnA the series again.

>>161341962
Dude you justified literally nothing except
>I-I liked it
It's not like FT is any good, but Bleach is just as fucking shit, after SS anyways

>>161341717
>who?
How fucking new are you? It's the scanlation group that is RESPONSIBLE for the scanlation of Shaman King on the net, the Kang Zeng Bang version, and everything done by Takei.

>among any of my friends or online
Sounds like you and your friends are entry-level faggots, like how most people online are.

>STFU
Yeah, you're not from around here, are you? Lurk the fuck more before posting or get the fuck out back to Animesuki/ANN/MAL/Reddit you fucking low powerlevel newfag retard. Using "STFU" is a surefire give away that you're new because such abbreviations are frowned upon in /a/ due to the newfaggotry nature.

>>161341962
Not him, but no, it was shit you retarded fanboy.

>>161342022
Basically until SS ended. Ichiruki was one of the only good things about Bleach anyways

>>161342011
Bleach actually did much more. 1000 Year Blood was was mostly good and was the 3rd best arc of the series. It legit pulled back to the history of the Quincy written in the first two arcs, applied some of the writing from the 3rd arc and rectified criticisms of the 4th arc. See >>161340296
for details.

Shaman King was boring and just was a "Okay, we get it: Hao is going to win"

>>161342069
Then why did Bleach objectively do better critically, financially and is far more memorable than FT's shit?

>>161342104
Again, I read Shaman King on the SJ monthly packs and 4 kids.

No, you are the entry level faggot because you are trying to come up with "Hip new lingo!!!" to things 99% of people never called manga.

>>161342113
Yeah sure. I TOTALLY believe that it isn't you samefagging.

>>161342128
Ichiruki was complete dogshit.

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>>161342128
>Ichiruki was one of the only good things about Bleach anyways
Ichiruki is a literal meme pairing.

>>161331379
>No sameface
but A WHOLE FUCKING LOT of sameplace

>>161341962
>Dude I saw the series on 4kids and read it during the SJ monthly packs.
You're not an oldfag. Real oldfags read the manga/saw the anime before then

And
>SJ monthly packs
Those never covered much of the series. Even the volume releases only covered the original run(up until the manga got originally canceled)

The 2008 Kanzenban reprinted version with the extra 15 chapters and true ending never made it to the US.
Not to mention that VIZ's localization of the original run was atrocious. It had a lot of censorship and a lot of stupid dub names and dumbed down dialogue.

>>161341962
>Dude I saw the series on 4kids and read it during the SJ monthly packs.
So you're a low powerlevel faggot who thinks you know shit about the fandom just because you watch the butchered Murrica dub version and the Murrican Shonen Jump? All die hard fans of Shaman King on the net know that Mankin is an official abbreviation for YEARS.

>Nobody called it that
>NOBODY CALLED IT THAT IN REALITY. STOP.
Except the FUCKING AUTHOR HIMSELF, the fans who are more informed than you and the Japanese fans who always call it that, you fucking triple nigger.

>>161342167
Believe what you want you retarded fanboy, Bleach is still one of the biggest pile of shit in the world of manga.

>>161342167
>Then why did Bleach objectively do better critically, financially and is far more memorable than FT's shit?
Because popularity != quality? Also, Bleach fucking died by the middle of its lifespan as well. People literally only remember Bleach for its first like 2 arcs. You're literally a retarded fanboy. Just fuck off this site.

>>161342226
>>161342238
>>161342243
Nice samefaggging there buddy.

Shaman King = Shit

Bleach and YYH = Objectively better written, drawn and more memorable.

>>161340296
>yamamoto bankai
>his bankai is skeletons
not to mention a sword as hot at the sun. Love me some bleach even if the ending was lackluster

>>161342280
>People literally only remember Bleach for its first like 2 arcs
While no one will remember FT after a year.

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>>161341962
This triggers the autist
P.S real fans(japs and pre-4kids kiddies) called it that.

>>161342167
I can't stop laughing. Keep posting please.

>>161342290
You're actually retarded. Look at the fucking post times. Just kill yourself

>>161342290
Samefagging with less than 1 minute of a siff? Ok you admitted you are not just a retarded fanfuck but a newfag as well.

>>161342393
See this is why we should just ban everyone in bleach generals

>>161341962
jumpx.jp/w/mankin/

commit seppuku

>>161342457
It's called sudoku.

>>161342333
Nobody called it that outside your LaLa Land

>>161342167
>I watched the botched Murrican dub and the murrican Shonen Jump guys, I know everything about Shaman King!!!
No you fucking don't, you entry-level shonenfag-only weeaboo. You don't know shit.

I bet you think Horo Horo's name is Trey.

ManKin is what the Japanese fans call it
ManKin is what the FUCKING AUTHOR call it
ManKin is what the diehard fans of Shaman King who follow the series beyond the fucking 4kids dub and American Shonen Jump, follow the scanlation of the Kang Zeng Bang version on the internet that includes the true ending to the series, call it.

Nothing you say will change that. No matter how hard you want to cry "WAAAAHHHHH BUT NO ONE I KNOW CALL IT THAT" it won't change the fact that it's a well-known abbreviation within the Shaman King fandom and is in no way it is a "hip and new" term considering it's been used since fucking forever.

Now lurk the fuck more.

>>161342425
I'm okay with this. Let's start with that fullretard fanfuck from facebook.

>>161342290
Mankin >>> those series though
And it's obvious you have never read it.

>>161330565
FT was just plain bad from the start to the end. Bleach was very nice at the beginning, but dropped in quality after Souls Society / Arrancar arcs to the point where it was utter shit. But even when it was bad, Bleach had some crazy ass character design and some arts in general were pretty good so I'll go for Bleach.

>mankinfags and ftfags are pissed that most anons in the thread prefer bleach
K E K

>>161341984
Again people were writing this way here in fucking 2005/2006. I'm sorry for not subscribing to your meme flavor of the month you newfag.

>>161342182
>>161342168
Clearly not as the series went way downhill right after Rukia lost her spotlight. You cannot refute this unless you want to argue that fucking Mexico and beyond was good.

>>161342590
>Clearly not as the series went way downhill right after Rukia lost her spotlight
Sales tell a different story since Bleach was selling its most during the HM arc especially the middle which is devoid of any Rukia.

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>>161342167
>1000 Year Blood was was mostly good and was the 3rd best arc of the series
Yuck. How can one have such bad taste.
1000 YBW was a horrible overly dragged mess which only gave us all major blue balls after all those chapters with Ishida fucking killing Ywach with a goddamn "muh special arrow" asspull

Fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE KUBO

>>161342669
First, it's entirely possible that those sales were just riding off the success of SS. Second, popularity =/= quality you fucking dumbass kill yourself. By that logic, fucking Dragonball is the pinnacle of thought.

>>161342590
>Rukia
rukia doesnt equal ichiruki unless you're one of those landwhale ichirukifags that completely revolves her character around ichigo

>>161342747
By downhill I thought you meant dropping sales. As for quality of HM, it depends on who you ask. I enjoyed it desu.

>>161342104
>Animesuki/ANN
Those are too oldfaggy for him actually
MAL/Reddit is perfect for him tho.

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>>161342167
>Shaman King was boring and just was a "Okay, we get it: Hao is going to win"
>trying this hard to pretend

>>161342932
>tho.
Pot calling the kettle black.

Bleach wasn't something that incredible but FT is just that bad. If Bleach is written aimed at middle-late teens, FT is aimed at pre-early teenagers.

>>161342486
Mankin is truly a godtier newfag filter

>>161334523
No that's Kubo retard. He did it for MHA 3rd anniversary

>>161330565
I want to say Fairy Tail is marginally better, but honestly it's just because I find the girls cuter.

Both are pretty bad.

>>161342484
Every true fan called it that.
There were forums and shitty angelfire fanpages with "mankin" on them before you even knew what anime was

>>161342995
It was a HUGE disappointment and was obvious that Hao was going to win

>>161342669
Of course it sold more when it was riding the coattails of Soul Society.

>>161343077
>He did it for MHA 3rd anniversary
Where are the other tributes then?

The idea that Fairy Tail was as bad as Bleach is ridiculous. The formula for Fairy Tail was the stalest shit that could possibly exist. It repeated the same nakama bullshit every single fucking arc.

Death actually happened to the good guys in Bleach. I am just completely dumbfounded how anybody could honestly say Fairy Tail is not undeniably the worst shounen to ever been produced

>>161342747
Hey don't be dissing Dragonball. That was a legit godtier action manga up until Freeza Saga.

>>161343208
>The idea that Fairy Tail was as bad as Bleach is ridiculous.
You mean Bleach as bad as FT?

>>161343180
It was a HUGE disappointment and was obvious that Ichigo was going to win

I too can shitpost

>>161343135
Okay insane man lets stop pretending the "lingo" was real and admit you are just senile

>>161343208
>Death
I still can't believe Kubo killed off both Gin and Ulquiorra in the same arc since they were incredibly popular especially Ulquiorra.

>>161343208
>Death actually happened to the good guys in Bleach
When? Didn't Byakuya "die" only to be revived again?
Bleach barely ever killed anyone. That was a major complaint against the series for fucking years.

>>161343293
Except that doesn't work when Ichigo has lost. Hai was going to win no matter what

>>161343335
You stop pretend being an oldfag when you're obviously a newfag who has no idea what he's talkng about.

>>161343350
>Bleach barely ever killed anyone
ulquiorra, gin, the captain, unohana, ukitake, tosen and nemu say hi. the first two were super popular on top of that.

The only people I've ever encountered, be it on the internet or in person, that were fans of fairy tail, were autistic as fuck. Like the kind that style their hair like anime characters and wear fingerless gloves in person. Really makes you think...

>>161343350
>Bleach barely killed anyone

Tell that to Captain General, Unohana, Ukitake and basically 95% of the Arrancars

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>>161343378
Hao got killed twice before you retarded shitter and Yoh actually could have killed him too but decided not to(pic related).
You'd know this if you actually read the series

STOP

>>161343402
Only Unohana, Ukitake and Nemu were good guys. And all of these deaths happened late in the series. People were complaining about there being no deaths to one of the good guys way back in Soul Society arc and Hueco Mundo.

>>161343402
>>161343484
Forgot Genryusai

>>161343522
But you said "no death". Not no good guy deaths

Also, Karen Shiba in the flashback

>>161343448
But all the people around the shaman king storyline knew Hao was going to win as it was his destiny

>>161343661
>in the flashbacks
You are really reaching now. A character that is introduced in a flashback so we learn how his death impacted others doesn't count.

And a villain is expected to die, that was what that anon was getting at I believe. Blerach never went great lenghts to spare or redeem villainous characters, with few exceptions.

>>161343779
Nobody wanted Speech No Jutsu. We aren't in Naruto territory

>>161337930
If you think about it "because I'm Kenpachi" makes more sense story-wise than "because she is Erza", Kenpachi is a title you have to win after all

>>161343857
>Kenpachi is a title you have to win after all
unohana ;_;

>>161343856
I agree. I'm just giving an example of why when people complained about no important characters dying on Bleach, they usually meant on the heroic side. Bleach villains were expected to die.

>>161343661
Read this >>161343208
>Death actually happened to the good guys in Bleach.
This is what I was originally responding to.

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>>161343699
Except not really. Yoh let him win.
He could have killed him but the point of the series was to actually forgive Hao because that was what he was truly after all along.

Matamune regretting that he betrayed him twice and that he couldn't save him were major dead giveaways as was Yoh's character throughout the series like pic related even from the early parts of the series

In the end the end goal was to save Hao's soul which lines up with the themes of the series and Shamanism(which is traditionally seen as sort of medician) which is to save even the most unsalvageable of souls

>>161343857
Didn't Erza go through a bunch of shit too?
They're both author's pets tho.

>>161340990
We seem to be defining shounen differently. I'm defining it as stuff targeted at the young boys demographic, which includes fighting but also sports, adventure etc. You seem to be defining/thinking it in terms of the battle shounen genre? Neither's right or wrong, just sayin', we're probably thinking different things.

>>161339486
>Kill yourself you filthy secondary kiddie who started with Soul Society
Projecting much faggot? I started with Karakura like everyone else did. There was only so much that could be done with a monster of the week formula before it became boring and repetitive. Soul Society was necessary to shake up the formula and get people invested further. It was executed brilliantly on all fronts. Fuck off back to your echo chamber of retards spouting this shitty contrarian meme of Karakura being the only good arc while everyone else continues to remember Soul Society fondly.

>>161339760
>How was Substitute Shinigami arc stagnation?
It wasn't stagnation, but it would've been if it remained that way.
>The stories in each chapter as well as the artwork had way more effort put into it.
The stories for fleshing out the principal characters were great yes, but Kubo realized he completed Ichigo's main party and fleshed out who he determined would be the principal characters, set the stage for them, and thrust them into Soul Society where they all shined.
>If anything Soul Society is stagnation since it devolves into a series of non-stop fights with far less character development.
Did we read the same story? Soul Society was a desperate struggle to rescue Rukia, coupled with shedding new light on Bleach's universe and lore, twists and turns in unveiling a conspiracy of deception, and showing the lengths of how Ichigo and his friends developed to rescue Rukia, culminating in Rukia finally forgiving herself for Kaien's death.
>People criticize the first arc for it's Monster-of-the-week format as if that's actually a bad thing which I don't really get. At least the monsters were far more unique in their designs and made for far more entertaining and engaging stories than generic garbage like the Gotei 13
We're not criticizing it for its monster of the week formula. We're saying that it was good but there was only so much that could be done with it. Soul Society was necessary to keep Bleach fresh and interesting. And while Kubo's early designs of the Hollows are great, more people recognize the Gotei 13 than the scrub Hollows.
>Bleach could have been an episodic action horror/comedy manga and instead it turned into a generic battle shonen which sucks.
There's no

>>161345694
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>Bleach could have been an episodic action horror/comedy manga and instead it turned into a generic battle shonen which sucks.
There's no way an episodic series would have lasted that long in Jump. Kubo needed to reinvent Bleach and it fucking worked and Bleach ended up running for 15 years.

>>161343208
That is why we said FT is 1/10, but Bleach is a strong 2/10. So you are right.