Fate/Stay Night

The one with Astolfo.

Heaven's Feel

HF, even if the majority of it was kinda boring.

>>161317124
HF>FZ>UBW
I haven't watched or read the Fate route. I really wish ufotable adapts it into a couple of movies since I'm not gonna watch DEEN’s subpar shit and I don't have the time to read it. I also haven't played Fate/Hollow.

>>161317124
Fate route is best

I've only watched UBW

>>161319345
>Knows about HF
>Doesn't knows about Fate
???

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Ilya!

Fate route kinda ripped my heart out and stomped it on the floor for a while. I think the feels are why people hate on it so much.

even if they do get to meet in Avalon in the end

>>161317124
HF.

>>161319757
I've read spoilers about the Fate route long ago, so I jumped to HF directly after watching the UBW anime. I feel like I'm missing out though but it's a lot of hours.

>>161317124
Heaven's Feel is the only correct answer really

>>161317124
HF had an astoundingly good climax but it dragged like hell in the middle
I preferred UBW overall, it was just non-stop

>>161319829
the only true route

>>161320154
You should've just read through the whole novel in the intended order Fate>UBW>HF. The anime, while being a decent adaptation, is not up to par as far as characterisations go. Besides, witnessing Shirou's shift of ideals throughout the routes is an interesting experience.

>>161317124
UBW>Fate>HF
I'm an Archerfag which is why I like UBW the most, and like >>161320262
said, HF drags a lot so that's why I prefer Fate a little more than it, though I liked all of them.

I have high hopes for Hollow Ataraxia. I'm going to read it when the voice patch comes out.

>>161317124
>generic battle harem with a high school boy

>>161320826
>I'm going to read it when the voice patch comes out.
Never?

>>161321030
http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/5657-Fate-Hollow-Ataraxia-Voice-Project/page33

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>>161320988

I loved the Fate route despite it feeling long and boring at times.

Then I met HF and it redefined what long and boring mean. But I still liked it the most, especially Illya's parts.

UBW was meh for me; Google Chrome's search bar spoiled me the Shirou is Archer reveal.

>>161321183
>archer reveal
I thought everyone already knew that?
I knew it at least 2 years before I even got into Nasu

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>>161317124

>>161321272
As a Zero secondary I can say that it was one of the few reveals that I didn't spoil for myself.

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Fate of course!

>>161317124
I really liked the Nero route

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>>161317124
Fate was the best one

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>>161322010
The charm of Saber is simply too strong to resist!

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>>161317124
Unlimited Blade Works.

VN, not the anime nor movie.

>>161321272
I read the Fate route while avoiding Nasuverse threads on /a/. Then, just as I was starting UBW, I got spoiled.

>>161320154
How do you even do that? To my knowledge, it's literally impossible to play the routes out of order, so how on earth did you do it? I'm genuinely confused.

>>161322304
Existing save file, a lot of CTRL autism

>>161317124
Gotta say UBW overall, HF for the greatest highs, and Fate for the heartwarming stuff, thanks to Last Episode. In general, I love every route, so I'm a happy camper.

>>161322354
Huh, alrighty. Did the lack of initial exposition make anything seem out of place, in regards to concepts or mechanics mentioned off-hand, or were the Zero and UBW anime good enough on that front?

>>161321272
I kinda went FZ > DeenFate > Deen UBW > VN so I didn't knew for a while, and when it happened in the movie it felt rushed as hell

Artoria is best because strong stoic women are inherently attractive. They're even more attractive when they show a willingness to open themselves up to (you) alone.

It's like a human kinder egg.

>>161322304
>>161322354
Realta Nua has the routes in separate EXEs

>>161322656
Yeah, I can get that kind of appeal, but the routes are more than their heroines. Take UBW for instance, where the route is really Archer and Shirou's.

>>161322647
The movie was pretty rushed.
I watched it shortly after finishing the VN and I found it to be a really good action movie, but to anyone who hasn't read F/SN it makes no sense.
The animation and OST were godly though.
When the fuck were DEEN this good

UBW with HF as a close second, as people have said it in this thread, Sakura and cooking drag out a lot, but Illya, Rider and motherfucking Kotomine (Nakata Jouji is always perfect) make it up for me, I also love the batcave climax and the Illya ne-san after it
Maybe it's just how well done the climatic parts of UBW, with great OST are done and the Lancer addition that make them feel so good

I liked UBW the best for best exploring Shirou as a character. Had some great moments, too. If it wasn't for Nine Lives Blade Works and Sparks Liner High, HF wouldn't even be up for consideration.

>>161321363
>Saber puffs up with worms

>>161322746
That's true except for Fate. Fate is literally all about Saber.

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>>161322827
I have never been so hyped in my life as I was during the final Kirei fight
>unlike him, I have a goal

>>161322786
Yeah, I kinda feel the same, if anything DEEN have going for them, is how well done the Archer parts with the EMIYA OST are done in both adaptations, I remember when first watching the Fate adaptation and loving Archer vs Berserker just because how well the OST and the UBW chant were put together

>>161322885
Yeah, I can also agree with that, for the most part.

>>161322921
The build up to him as a villain in this part was really fucking good, from the mapo tofu, to him obliterating a fucking servant, and then just appearing as the final boss counterpart for Shirou was great, he's the type of guy that makes lawful evil villains as good as they can be
>I like Kotomine Kirei, he's like me

TOHSAKA RIN PLEASES OLD MEN FOR MONEY OHOHOHOHO

https://exhentai.org/g/1103382/36891bfe7e/?p=1

>>161323438
>Tohsaka the only F/SN girl who is a virgin
>refuses to be Luvia's maid for money
>somehow gets memed into being a whore for fat old faceless men
I don't get this at all. Usually character memes like this have at least some basis in reality.

>>161322885
Yeah it's honestly more about Saber than it is Shirou himself.

>>161323557
Artoria is also a virgin. The first H scene in the Fate route make a big fuss over her cherry popping.

>>161323728
Technically, she ejaculated once when she had a futa dick

>>161317124
UBW by far for me. Archer is cool as fucks and the message of learning to compromise concerning your ideals but still keep them close is incredibly valuable.

Least favorite is HF if only because Sakura is terrible and the message is the most nihilistic garbage ever.

>>161323728
She's had sex, just not as a female. Or do you think the autistic tomboy sprang from the aether?

>>161323557
It's because of that series that I just posted. That's literally it.

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>>161323074
The tofu scene really caught me off guard. And the voice acting was the icing on the cake.

>>161317124
HF=UBW>shit>Fate

>>161323868
Well she wasn't even aware of that, right?

>>161323914
Is Kirei bad with spicy food?

>>161320472
I may do it one day but ~60h is too much of a commitment for me.

>>161322304
This >>161322661, also you don't have to worry about switching routes since the 3 of them are separate.

>>161323967
She did say that she knows how to please a man, as well.

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>>161317124
I got Saber's route right at the second try without WT and I was satisfied with that, I liked it a lot. It feels boring when I try to play again on a different route especially following the WT. I don't feel like even trying without the WT anymore.

>>161324028
That's after she has Rin give her lesbian love and Shirou fuck her. She's probably just saying shit trying to turn him on because she wants to please him. At that point she's definitely in love, just trying to pretend it's not there because she knows she is bound to die and leave Shirou no matter what happens.

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>>161324013
I'd say he's pretty good, gobbling three plates of extra spicy mapo tofu without drinking is quite a feat.

>>161324097
WT?

>>161324154
Well, I'm not going to call Saber a slut. My point was more that Rin is literally the only F/SN heroine to have never had any sort of sexual contact whatsoever. It's odd that she was chosen for this meme. But then, I never got the appeal of the faceless fat old man thing, either.

>>161324232
Walkthrough.

>>161324187
The thing I love the most is how fucking serious it's made to be, like, he's just a guy eating ffs, you don't have to act like it's a big deal or anything, Shirou

>>161324306
Yeah the fat old man thing is like some awkward form of cuckolding I feel like.

>>161324408
Just goes to show how much Shirou likes him

>>161324408
Shirou is a little autistic. It's cute.

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>>161317124
HF = UBW >>> Fate

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>>161317124
The one where you save Illya, so none of them.

>>161324747
>a little
I don't think that's the correct modifier.

>>161324931
Illya survives the war in Fate.

>>161325060
Please do not bully my favorite sword. I'm not gay, but I'd marry Shirou.

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>>161325069
She doesn't have much longer to live after Fate.

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>>161325162
This desu, he's the second perfect husbando
>>161324931
But anon, everything Illya ever wanted is to save you

>>161325250
It's the best possible situation for her desu. That or something like Prillya.

>>161325250
Then read HA, she's cute there

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>>161317124
Fate route best route, Saber best girl, Shirou/Saber best romance.

Despite the middle of HF dragging, the high points(Illya, Rider, and Kotomine scenes, Shirou's downspiral and a good chunk oft he bad ends)+the climax(day 15+16) made up for it for me.

>>161321272
I actually had no idea about that one when I first read the VN. Somehow the internet didn't spoil me on it.

>>161325393
Shirou and Rin have a more engaging chemistry. Shirou and Saber feels too fluffy.

>>161325442
I don't agree with you.

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>>161325250
>that fridge logic when you realize Shirou killed her by accident in the HF normal end

>>161324024
You see I read VNs like Umineko before I got into fate so 60~ always kind of felt standard, but I can see why people would be turned off by the length.

>>161325522

Just because you're correct, doesn't mean you're right.

>>161325522
You and I are enemies now.

>>161325442
I agree with you.

>>161325612
You and I are friends now.

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>>161322786
>UBW movie animation
>godly

>>161325691
Looks like some fan animation.

>>161317124
None , all three are garbage

>>161325608
You are a representative of all the evil in this world. As a hero of justice it's my duty to destroy you.

Fate Route's the one I like the most.

I still with we would get Heaven's Feel's true end.

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>>161325813
CTRL+S makes it easy

>>161325608
>>161325870
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfx8-c63u0Q starts playing

>>161325870
Impossible. Angra Mainyu wants to fuck Caren, not Rin.

>>161325950
He wants to fuck Bazett though

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HF, of course.

>>161325980
No, he just wants to rape Bazett while she's dead. Perfectly natural.

UBW>Fate>HF

HF had what it takes to be the best but Sakura ruins it completly be it when every servant minus Rider gets thrown under the Sakura train, her dragging daily drama, her low tier Yandere monologues or her "I don't have energy for anything but i'm fully charged for tonight's brazzers video 5737" which was really sad since from the previous routes she seemed the most likeable and that scene at the rain was really good but after that she nearly killed the route by herself, thankfully Kirei and Ilya managed to salvage it and make it good, but it still fell behind UBW and Fate.

>>161326254
Merging Illya's route with Sakura's was a mistake.

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>>161323557
Rin always acted like a huge slut, to the point that she seemed out of character in her UBW H-scene just to please purityfags. Of course people see her as a slut. It's far more bizarre when people meme rape victims like Kohaku or Sakura as being sluts for it. Also, pic related.

>>161325568
Even for a long VN, Umineko is fucking long.
The total count is 120+ hours or something insane like that

>>161326254
>"I don't have energy for anything but i'm fully charged for tonight's brazzers video 5737"
Had a little chuckle at this, thanks.

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>>161326463
>Rin always acted like a huge slut
nigga fuck is you on about

>>161326463
It actually pretty baffling how she's a really proactive and slutty during a threesome in an abandoned building, and suddenly she's all meek and pure when going one on one with Shirou.

>>161326463
Except for that one scene in Fate, she never did.

>>161326569
>your life literally depends on two sword autists successfully getting it on
>doing your best to ensure this happens (and happening to discover that you are also attracted to women while doing so) makes you a slut
alright

>>161326517
>lets have a threesome in the middle of a forest!
>i really like you lancer
>you masturbate to me, don't you, emiya-kun?
>going out with random men in london
Her being a virgin was hilariously contrived, so it's a good thing that shit was removed in RN.

>>161326694
Isn't that the point tho?
She tries to be mature so she can help people but really she's quite innocent

>>161326691
>your life literally depends on getting it on with a sword autist
>now you start acting like one too

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>>161317124
HF because it's the best route. Also Sakura is my favorite girl, and her romance with Shirou is my favorite of the three.

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>>161317124
UBW. Ufotable's adaptation was perfect and I couldn't ask for more.

>>161326803
Well, yeah. At that point there's an emotional connection between the two. She can't remove her feelings from the equation like she could in Fate. This is pretty basic character stuff, man.

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>>161319829
This man Knows

>>161326860
I always felt like for a pair that is said to have as much history as they had, their actual romance was pretty subpar. It just seemed like a bunch of
>SAVE ME SENPAI
>I'LL SAVE YOU
>WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T YOU SAVE ME EARLIER, NOW EVERYONE DIES
>I'LL SAVE YOU ANYWAY

Irritating.

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>>161327102
>pretty subpar.
Then we'll agree to disagree. No big deal.

>>161327189
>disagreeing on waifus
>no big deal
Wrong neighborhood, motherfucker. You're ass is mine.

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>>161322872
>Saber puffs up with worms
>with worms
>saber
>worms

Is it best to watch fate in anime order i dont really care if i get spoiled because im going to get spoiled regardless

I would read the vn but i will only have time to do one route (probably sabers because i heard 2006 version shit)

>>161327386
Read the fucking VN.

>>161327386
If you have to do only one, HF would be it. The Saber route is mediocre even in the original VN, and is only really notable for Ilya being an iconic yandere loli in it.

>>161326389
At this point I'm convinced that the reason those routes were merged was because Sakura route was her being the drama queen she was in HF and sit in bed all route long, meanwhile Ilya had the bring Ilya back, the Dark Berserker and Kirei fights so they merged them to try to avoid having Sakura route being complete crap, problem is that it killed Ilya's one and what survived was trying to save Sakura route.

>>161327386
Just do the Fate route of the VN, then watch Zero, UBW, and HF (not released) in order you want. I personally recommend going in the order I mentioned.

While not as good as the other routes, Fate's only adaptation is a sub-par mish-mash of the routes, which is just unnecessary due to Ufo's adaptations, so you're just better off doing the VN for that.

>>161327386
Read all routes, it's worth the time.
If you really can't, here's my advice.
2006 anime is garbage, skip it and read the Fate route instead. > UBW (the series) is pretty good. > If you want to wait then HF movies are on the way. After all that you watch Zero.
The rest is up to you, from there it's all alternative timelines and standalone stories.

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>>161327532
They merged the routes because of time/budget constraints. Nasu literally states this.

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>>161327532
>Illya's route could've been the best part of the whole VN
>they scrap it trying to save a shitty fourth route because Sakura is so important to the plot she shows up as a player in the HGW in the other routes, unlike Illya and because they didn't want to attract lolicons

>>161327557
Might aswell do this probably read the vn in a later date

>>161327532
>In the beginning there were plans for an Illya route, but if we were to add it, the game would have wound up being incredibly huge. So we had this plan to release the Saber route and Rin route as "Fate/stay night", and the Illya route and Sakura route as "Fate/other night". But when we thought of the 8800 yen price, we decided we should include the Sakura route after all, so in the end, we decided to combine the Illya route and Sakura route into one route. So, although it had been finished during 2002, we took more time to reorganize the plot in January or February of the following year.

>>161327670
>we decided we should include the Sakura route after all
>not dropping it for Illya's route
Worst business decision ever.

>>161326860
The only thing good about Shirou x Sakura was that scene after that their relation became nothing but fucking like rabbits.

They seemed more atracted to each other out of lust rather than love

>>161327486
HF has a movie trilogy coming out for it. It's better if he reads the one route that wasn't properly adapted
>>161327386
Read Fate, watch UBW and HF

>>161322129
Why UBW?

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>>161327871
>They seemed more atracted to each other out of lust rather than love
We can agree to disagree then.

I just started playing Fate the other day, and so far everyone mostly Rin seems to be retarded. Does it get better, or do I just have to deal with it?

>>161322647
Deen UBW is classic example of how you can't fit a Type Moon story into 1 movie. Looks like they have learned their learn with Ufo HF.

>>161328066
you just have to deal with it anon

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Fate
>The man has swallowed black corruption.
>His heart is black and it seems like he's surrounded by an unknown darkness.
>The black corruption reaches in from the outside world, and it's like a chain binding the man.
>Kotomine Kirei was just like me.
>His body had some kind of fatal wound, and he is compensating for it with that unknown "something".
>As I heal using Saber's powers…
>Kotomine Kirei is maintaining his corpse-like body with this black corruption
HF
>I don't ask him how he's alive.
>He's dying.
>I don't feel magical energy from his body.
>There's a black stain where his heart should be.
>…Like me, a brief fire that's like a turned hourglass.
>I don't hear his heartbeat.
>He doesn't have much longer to live.
>This is not speculation, but a predication.
>Kotomine Kirei will die in a few minutes, even if he doesn't do anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbY63Peyiz4

Bravo, Nasu/Type Moon

>>161327486
>>161327404
>>161327612
tl;dr fate anime is trash, VN is the only way to go?

>>161328205
The animes are okay, it's just that they can't compare to the VN.

If you really want to remain anime only you could watch the 2006 series and UfoUBW just fine and be a casual fan.

HF, but certainly not for Sakura who is eternal worst girl. F/SN is really about the ideaologies of Shirou (who is kiritsugu's proxy), Archer, and Kirei. Nasu was really blatant about this so I don't get how so many people don't get it.

The culmination of the anti-hero anology at the end of HF was the best part of the VN.

>>161328205
Yes. Or, to be accurate, the anime are supplementary material for the VN. You will always be missing a critical part of the experience if you're an animeonly.

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>>161328205
Yes.

>>161327635
>>161327670
>Nasu: "we had a Sakura and a Ilya route but the Sakura route was so bad we decided to try to improve it by adding the best parts from Ilya scrapping Ilya's route in the process"

Yep I'm totally seeing Nasu saying this on public...

I think Fate route encapsulates the concept of the Holy Grail War best. It has the most Servant VS Servant battles, it has Shirou bonding with his Servant, and it ends in a battle between Master and Master, Servant and Servant.

Unlimited Blade Works is fundamentally about the protagonist himself, with just about everything else taking a backseat. Emiya of the present, and Emiya of a possible future. The Holy Grail War was effectively a backdrop, Emiya Shirou's lifestyle and future taking center stage.

Heaven's Feel was a complete destruction of everything that had been built up until that point. The premise of the Holy Grail War was shattered, the status of Masters and Servants no longer held meaning, wishes were pointless. Servants dropped like flies left and right. The core of the story is "answering what was left unanswered in previous routes". The true nature of the Holy Grail, the reason for the Servants' existence and Kotomine's goals were all the primary ingredients. Shirou's primary form of support, his Servant Saber, is taken from him midway and there's absolutely no opportunity to get her back. Rin's Servant Archer also disappears. In the course of this route, Shirou is forced to cast away his ideals, his very way of life, has to kill Saber with his own hands, and in the end, loses his "sister" and even his body. In a sense, the events in this route are tailor made to take everything away from Shirou and force him to forge a different path.

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>>161327386
>>161328205
Fate/stay night
https://www.mofumoe.org/content/fatestay-night

Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://nyaa.si/view/427133
realtapatch.tumblr.com/

Fate/hollow ataraxia
https://www.mofumoe.org/content/fatehollow-ataraxia

Tsukihime
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/1705201

Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
https://www.mofumoe.org/content/tsukihime-plus-disc

Tsukihime Fun Disc: Kagetsu Tohya
https://www.mofumoe.org/content/kagetsu-tooya

TMDict, a compilation of Nasuverse dictionary entries
http://tmdict.com

>>161328531
The reason I think people are divided on Heaven's Feel is because of its nature as a route. It exists to overturn everything that was established in previous routes. So people who liked the first two routes may feel inclined to like the third less. It is, effectively, the polar opposite of the other two, so some people may feel a sense of incompatibility with it.

>>161327641
>>161328620
stay night and other night, right?

>>161328531
>his very way of life,
Those were borrowed ideals, and he threw them away for the woman he was in love with.

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>>161317124
Caren's route.

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>>161328749

>>161328746
But in Unlimited Blade Works, it's established that even if they're fake and borrowed, they're still beautiful and it's not wrong to pursue them.

Some people interpret Heaven's Feel as a "true" or "correct" answer that undermines the conclusions reached in the previous two routes. That this is the "correct" path for Shirou, and the paths he follows in Fate and UBW are "wrong". I don't believe this is the case. There is no "correct" path. Ultimately, this is Shirou's life, his future. Only he has the right to decide which path is correct for him. Heaven's Feel is a "possible" answer, but not the "absolute correct" one. It provides a new path for him to walk, but at no point does the narrative claim that it's the "correct" one. Merely that it's one of many possibilities.

Fate after the school battle > Heaven's Feel >Unlimited Blade Works >>>>>>>>>Fate before the school battle

Fate really has a rough time because it has to lay the exposition for the rest of the game, and it also has a long and linear prologue to boot.

>>161328881
>But in Unlimited Blade Works,
Yes, a different route.

>>161321363
DEEN added scenes from UBW because into their Fate route because it didn't have enough action

>>161328958
The point is there's nothing wrong with "fake" or "borrowed". There's no rule that states that a fake can't defeat the original.

>>161329209
That's fucking mongrel talk.

>>161329102
Fate has quite a bit of action If adapted properly. Deen fucked up by chosing to create a Caster Arc that didn't exist and shafting Lancer when he had the opportunity to shine if they adapted his last stand against Gilgamesh like they did with Archer's last stand vs Berserker.

>>161329312
>King of Heroes not so tough after getting MONGREL'D

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>>161329312
Fuck off Gilgamesh.

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>>161329337
>>161329350
YAMEROOOOOOOO

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Ending part of HF (specifically, all the parts with Kotomine) is kino, even though the rest of the novel is mostly a flick.

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>>161329382
Don't worry Gilgabro I got your back.

Just kidding Gilgamesh is a faggot.

>>161329102
>everyone hates fate 2006 because it's the fate route
>everyone hates UBW because it's UBW
>HF around the corner, people will find a reason to hate that too

>>161317124
UBW was great. Fate was pretty decent. HF was meh, though it has good individual moments.

I personally want to see ufotable Fate, with all the off-screen battles included. Probably won't happen though, since people still acknowledge the existence DEEN/Stay Night.

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>>161329102
>muh action
I don't give a shit, I just want my Arturia!

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>>161329350
>>161329382
>>161329430
>"Do not take me so lowly. How can I be a hero if I cannot swallow a curse such as this? All evils of the world? Heh, bring at least three times as much as that if you want to stain me. See, Saber. A hero is someone who carries with them everything they see. I am already carrying everything in this world."
>Of all the Servants, this man is the only one who would be capable of keeping his sanity after being soaked in that vast curse.
>"Hmm, yes. Making you swallow the mud is good, but it is no fun if you go crazy because of that. Well, let us hold our marriage now."
>Gilgamesh sees the death running up his spine. But he won't make it. The raised Ea will not stop turning, and Gilgamesh cannot manage to jump back. Who would think that an attack with this much magical energy and this much power could be blocked...!?
UBW
>A heroic spirit that is half immortal and has all the treasures in the world. What can this man possibly wish for now?
>"It is only natural to take away from others if you cannot supply it yourself. But to be honest, I did not need to do such a thing. I am the only Servant that the Holy Grail poured on. I have already completed the incarnation ten years ago."
>"It happened ten years ago. You opposed me right when I was about to obtain the Holy Grail. The Holy Grail was cut by the holy sword and what poured out burned the town. As I was right underneath the Holy Grail, I was showered with it. I understood the true identity of the Holy Grail at that time. It is worthless. It is worthless, but it does have its uses. Not many weapons are as specialized in murder as that. The Holy Grail is fine as is. There is no need to turn it into an omnipotent vessel. Then let us continue the battle from ten years ago. A boring lowlife got involved last time, but there will be no such interruptions this time. But then it seems a worse faker is here…"

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Possible futures for Shirou:

>Any Bad End that results in Shirou dropping out of the Grail War and having his memories erased: Nothing happens. He probably never learns about his Reality Marble. He probably goes on to become a lawyer or politician or something as per his original intentions.
>Dead End: Ded.
>Fate Route True End: Tin Man. Follows the path of an Ally of Justice, living what he considers a fulfilling life, eternally chasing after an ever-distant star. Following Saber's example, he never forges a pact with the planet.
>Unlimited Blade Works Good End: Spends most of his time dicking Rin because she can't really handle Saber's upkeep by herself.
>Unlimited Blade Works True End: Walks the path he laid out for himself without hesitation. May have a better end than Archer did as long as he has Rin by his side. Never forges a pact with the planet because that shit's retarded.
>Heaven's Feel Normal End: Ded.
>Heaven's Feel "Ally of Justice" Bad End: Apparently, he kills a bunch of Kiara's goons and becomes Alter'd.
>Heaven's Feel True End: House husband who spends the rest of his life dicking Sakura.
>Capsule Servant End: Becomes a mom.

HF > Fate > UBW for me.

HF and Fate had the higher highs even if UBW was more consistent throughout. I loved how the Fate route had Archer as more of a mentor figure to Shirou and End of Reminiscence is an amazing track.

>>161329455
I unironically enjoyed Fate/DEEN. Fight me

>>161329493
>Probably won't happen though, since people still acknowledge the existence DEEN/Stay Night.

You know that it's okay for them to adapt it again, right? They were going to until the director changed gears for UBW sequel to zero. The Fate route of the VN was even given out for free on mobile in Japan to prepare viewers for the Unlimited Blade Works adaptation.

>>161329102
There was enough action, it's just that DEEN didn't know how to properly utilize it.

Consider the first few episodes. DEEN just blew through them, but ufotable took its time. Though admittedly they had the luxury of spending an entire episode on Berserker for UBW, whereas I don't know how they would handle the same scene in Fate. I did like the fight between Rin and Illya.

>>161329545
I unironically enjoyed all Typemoon anime besides Tsukihime because: what were they thinking?

Both Tsukihime adaptions are "Arc's route but with a bit of far side thrown in" but the manga has a bunch of Ciel route and original stuff to it (ciel and akiha fight scene, roa using his melty blood lightning powers and having a bunch more/different fight scenes, actually getting to see all the stuff the church did to ciel, an expanded ending of arcueid true where shiki finds arc in her castle with ciels help and a bunch of minor changes to scenes from how they were in the VN) and includes all the h-scenes that the anime largely cut out.. on the other hand the anime that doesn't exist has shiki actually end up going to the amusement park and gives sacchin an episode (while the manga drops her about as fast as the VN route does) but is otherwise just scenes from the VN done poorly.

If they did adapt the Fate route again, I'd imagine that Nasu would be very adamant about rewriting parts of it.

can we just take a moment to appreciate this work of art right here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3UmzOqios

>>161329321
I liked the Caster/Rider scenes they added while Saber/Assassin were fighting.

>>161329677
F/SN music is wonderful.

>>161329600
Yeah but after they went with UBW it kinda doesn't make sense to go back to Fate.

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>>161329639
Tsukihime manga is a gift from God

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How hard would UFO have to fuck up to ruin the final moments of Kotomine and the ginger manlet?

>>161329651
>I'd imagine that Nasu would be very adamant about rewriting parts of it.
It's fine if they do it right. I enjoyed all the added stuff ufotable did with their action scenes.

>>161329511
>He probably never learns about his Reality Marble. He probably goes on to become a lawyer or politician or something as per his original intentions.
>Implying he wont end up as a Yakuza anti hero thanks to his Fujimura connections

>>161328531
>Shirou's primary form of support, his Servant Saber, is taken from him midway and there's absolutely no opportunity to get her back. In the course of this route, Shirou is forced to cast away his ideals, his very way of life, has to kill Saber with his own hands
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io_tbnfxCh4

>>161329709
Nasu: That's right. To put it another way, the Saber Route at this point, we ought to make some significant alterations. If we want to keep the plot as-is, the Rin Route is more suitable, and it will seem fresh. It's the most solid of all Fate/stay night, with combat and buildup, and unorthodox approaches. And on top of that, if we could present the themes of the Rin Route across two seasons as a single, long story, it would definitely be worth doing. It's suitable for a weekly format where the story would build up episode by episode, but I also want the audience to occasionally see it as "a long story that deals with a single theme." Mr. Miura, the director felt the same, so we decided to give it a shot even though the bar would be set pretty high.

Kondo: I kept saying that if we're going to do Fate/stay night's Unlimited Blade Works scenario, we need to draw Shirou cooly, and that's the show's success hinged on Shirou becoming a main character. Miura went so far to say that we had to make it his coming-of-age story.

Miura: For our part, we thought about making Unlimited Blade Works using one of the classic formulas, "the protagonist grows and matures and achieves catharsis." Speaking of which, from the early meeting stages, Mr. Nasu was telling us flat-out that Shirou was a character who doesn't grow or mature. Of course, that's Mr. Nasu's particular style of saying things, but, speaking for myself, that left a profound impression on me. To restate it in our terms, he was saying that Shirou is such an unwavering character that you think never grows or matures. That's proven to be a crucial stepping-off point as I draw the storyboards for this series. When we have meetings with Mr. Nasu like that, one or two pearls of wisdom that leave an impression sometimes come out of nowhere. Seeing how a creator's mind works up close was really stimulating.

>>161321272
I was unspoiled, but deducted that shortly after prologue.

>>161328531
HF could have been a completely different story altogether, but the way it was written necessitates the viewing of both Fate and UBW.

>>161329809
>shirou falls in love with her on that night every single time
She really is the true waifu

>>161321272
Somehow I was lucky enough to read the entire VN a few years ago for the first time without getting spoiled. Back then I had no idea what Fate was.

Be honest. How many of you failed to stab Saber the first time around? How many of you foolishly thought, "No, maybe I could save her!" at that critical moment? I'm sure there are those among you who didn't really care for Saber and didn't feel bad about killing her. Or perhaps some of you are pragmatists who realized that letting Saber live would accomplish nothing, and that the only path was to kill her, even if you didn't necessarily want to.

But how many of you actually believed that there might be some form of possible salvation for her?

>>161329963
>few years ago
>no idea what fate was
Nigga do you live under a fucking rock?

>>161329843
>To put it another way, the Saber Route at this point, we ought to make some significant alterations.
Why would he say that? Does he think the Fate route is unsuitable for adaptation as-is?

>>161326465
Umineko is probably the longest VN created. Hell, I think it may even be the longest piece of literature ever.

Even though HF has a lot of sections that are worse than UBW, it also ends up having more great scenes. Sakura is complete garbage, but HF does the best job of placing the narrative into a wider framework with the connections to previous wars.

>>161329974
I let Rin stop me. I tried going back through the choices on my own many times but I kept hitting this scene until I gave up and looked up the flowchart.

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>>161329974
;_;
At least we know exactly where Takeuchi stopped playing

>>161330044
Basically. Since it's the introduction route, and everyone and their mother knows about FSN now, there's no need for a good 1/3 of the route. Instead that could be spent developing Saber and Shirou even more.

>>161329974
Back when I played it for the first time, during the Fate route, I made some choices to spend time with Rin and Sakura and got killed for it almost at the end of the route. Since then, I didn't bother bonding with any girl other than the main one of the route. It just wasn't worth it.

>>161330105
HF has the highest highs but I find UBW the most consistent

>>161330086
Longest VN is France Shoujo.

>>161330161
Holy shit son you must've fucked up pretty hard to have Saber kill you. It's almost impossible to do naturally

>>161330007
>Nigga do you live under a fucking rock?
At the time? Pretty much. Back then I was specifically looking for more VNs, and happened to come across Fate/Stay Night.

>>161330044
Maybe he thinks it's aged poorly. Or maybe he thinks there's no point adapting it as is when it was already adapted by DEEN years ago. Or perhaps he feels that, since Fate/stay night as a whole is an ensemble piece with the Fate route only being one piece of the whole, it wouldn't be able to match up with the Fate/Zero adaptation on its own.

After all, in the Fate route, many Servants make few appearances. Most of them die very shortly they're introduced. We never learn the identity of Assassin or Caster's Masters, nor do we learn Archer's true identity.

>>161330221
Top 5 VNs?

>>161330161
How the fuck did you do that? You must have been incredibly neglectful towards her.

Generally, Saber is extremely difficult to fuck up. You need to basically ignore her constantly in order for her to kill you. It's even slightly more difficult than getting a similar ending with Rin, where she doesn't form a contract with you if you don't have enough affection points. In the case of the Rin route, since it's balanced so that it's possible to reach the Good Ending if your points with Saber are high enough, it's actually pretty difficult to not have enough affection points with Rin. With Saber, it's even harder.

For most people, the only way to get Saber to kill Shirou is if you actively try to do so.

>>161330264
>After all, in the Fate route, many Servants make few appearances. Most of them die very shortly they're introduced. We never learn the identity of Assassin or Caster's Masters, nor do we learn Archer's true identity.
This makes the most sense. If they were intending to make a largely standalone adaptation, the Fate route as-is would be a bad choice.

I personally miss Illya and Berserker. They got the spotlight in Fate but got the short end of the stick in UBW. I would've been very interested in a huge conflict from the two big opposing powers of the war, that being Berserker and Caster. When I first read that Shirou and Rin were gonna beg Illya for assistance, before I saw what happened when they actually got to the castle, I was genuinely excited.

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Say something nice about the first route

>>161330648
it had the most Taiga in

>>161330538
Poor Fate
it's nature as the setup and info dump makes it the weakest route despite it's strengths
But fuck Caliburn

>>161330648
Illya got to live for a little while.

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anyone remember me?

>>161329974
Fucking hell. They put this choice here on purpose just to fuck with us after letting us get attached to Saber in two whole routes.

>>161330719
How could I forget such a cute young lady and her jeans?

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>>161329746
Agreed. Its my favorite typemoon. Stupid, edgy, yet heartwarming at the same time.

>>161330719
She was great
shame she joined a doomed harem

>>161330719
didnt her brother have a crush on sakura

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>>161317124
HF

I don't hate Fate and UBW Shirou, but HF Shirou was like the perfect protagonist for me. I think he's truly the best character in the nasuverse.

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Does anyone here actually understand Kotomine's motivation for trying to shield the Angry Manjew at the end of HF? Does he see himself in AM? He says he wants to see whether or not the Manjew will despair after fucking up the entire world, but I'm not sure how that relates to him.

Also, Kotomine is easily the deepest character in all of Fate even though it's a bit hard to believe that he's such a crazy case that he cannot feel enjoyment from anything. He's like a sociopath to unbelievable degrees.

>>161330648
The scene under the church is fucking great

>>161319829
>>161325288
Thoughts on HF, it has the best atmosphere. It's closest to Tsukihime in that regard. Each night someone is dying in the background, there's some Eldritch horror in the background, the entire grail war is in dissarary. Forget about your wish and desires, the remaining masters have to team up just to survive. The situation is the most hopeless and dark in a nice way.

The scene where you invite Illyasviel to your house for the first time, she searches every room for someone who's no longer there as though she just can't believe it. Only after confirming the truth, she loses her steam. Irisviel had almost the same reactions Illyasvielsviel had when she explored the Emiya estate. Half the reason she joined the war was for her father; the father who abandoned her, the father she hated, the father she maybe loved. He's already long since gone, and you see Shirou try to deal with it with her like a family slowly. The shopping trip together later in the route when Shirou wonders just how right this would feel if Kiritsugu was still alive and with them in that moment, they would feel like a real family. Immediately after that Shirou can't hold it in any longer, the thing between them that neither can broach. He asks her if she'll live with him after the war. As Kiritsugu's son he had to ask. You see an entirely different side of Illyasviel in this route. She comes across as very mature at some points, and ironically she does end up finishing her father's later work at the end of the route. She is the older sister after all. You see her go through some development in the background this time.

>>161331134
He wants to see if it's true that something can be born evil.

>>161331134
What I want to know is how he became such a colossal faggot at the end of the Fate route. He basically let Shirou win.

>>161330648
It has a lot of good battles that I think people unfairly overlook. Like Saber fighting Rider is pretty awesome.

>>161331331
They turn off his OP in UBW and Fate because he'd have been too hard to kill otherwise. I guess the best headcannon explanation you can make is that the grail mud made him more insane and he underestimated Shirou, or something.

>>161331331
I chalked that up to Kotomine being too shaken about Shirou shaking off the grail mud through the power of his autism.

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>>161331331
Kirei doesn't display his combat abilities until he has to in HF. It was a twist, remember? Zero just expands on what you already knew from HF route.

>>161330648
>"You don't mind if I kick his ass, right?"

>>161331377
That fight on the side of a huge skyscraper could have easily been a top tier Fate action scene if done right. Not to mention the clash of the Noble Phantasms.

>>161331538
Speaking of Ciel/Roa, one thing I didn't understand
Why was it that Ciel gained immortality from the contradiction but none of Roa's past incarnations did?

>>161331623
Ciel had her own innate healing ability separate from the paradox healing factor.

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The one where you can be a superhero
M I N D
O F
S T E E L

>>161317124
Camelot

>>161331789
And then he gets a killer tan, shaves his hair and wields a pair of revolvers.

>>161331863
Camelot and Garden of Avalon would be great additions to a potential Fate adaption.

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>>161331884
At least he's having fun with Alter now that he is in Chaldea.

Shirou meets the Knights of the Round Table:
>Lancelot: Absolute friction. There is no way these two can get along.
>Kay: Kay would have a hard time dealing with Shirou, because he's the love of his imouto's life. But he'd have no choice but to begrudgingly accept him because he's the one who understands Saber best.
>Mordred: "You're not my real mom!"
>Agravain: #$#%#$%^$#@$#@%$R#$!?!?!
>Gawain: $%#$%^ $%#$@#$@# ^$%%R@!?!?!?!?

Which fights were better, Saber vs Rider or Archer vs Lancer?

>>161317124
The Illya route.

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>>161331331
Because of the mud he had to stay in one place only and he understimated Shirou, he didn't expect Shirou to get out of the mud a second time.
>>161331377
No kidding, if some top tier studio got to remake it, majority of the Fate battles would be great eyecandy.

>>161331729
Arc somehow fucked up the killing so Ciel healed while Roa reincarnated

>>161331988
Emiya x Saber fucking when Nasu you bastard

>>161331331
From Kotomine's perspective, the fact that someone was able to break out of the mud not once, but twice was such a colossal impossibility that it shut down his brain for a second.

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Heaven's Feel has been the best route so far, I must say.

>>161332222
Excellent digits friend. I used to be an UBWfag, but when I reread the VN, I ended up like HF the best.

I think the moral dilemma's presented in the Fate franchise are rather poorly written. Kiritsugu showed an almost completely inability to use critical thinking. His thinking basically came down to kill one spare the other. Of course, given time limitations and dire circumstances, people don't always get to think things as through, and there are situations in which hard choices have to be made, even if they'd seem unfair and even evil to some. However, from what we saw, Kiritsugu was rarely shown in those type of situations and yet he always showed an extremely narrow-outlook of things.

Shirou is the same. In Fate and UBW he barely had to go through situations in which his resolve was actually tested through actions. At worse he had to let those nearly-dead-kids at the Chapel's basement, but other than that you don't see much real development on the path of justice. Even in HF Shirou was still far too bland, as there weren't many real dilemmas here, since Sakura was a victim.

I think the ideal of justice is something great and worth commending, but the way it is presented in the Fate franchise seems very half-assed.

>>161332116
>No kidding, if some top tier studio got to remake it, majority of the Fate battles would be great eyecandy.
I really want this to be in the realm of possibility. I'd still watch even if they only adapted the action scenes.

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>>161332299
I used to be an UBWfag, but when I read F/Z, I ended up like Fate and HF the best.

>>161332194
He had his shot. He failed. No second chances.

It'd be interesting to see him deal with Lion King or Lancer Alter, though.

>>161332222
UBW is my favorite route, but this is my favorite scene.
>It's not 'can you keep up with me...' you keep up with me!

>>161332347
>>161331377
If you were the producer of a 25ep adaption of Fate/stay night, how would you do it?

>>161332311
Fate and UBW weren't meant to directly challenge Shirou's ideal. However, HF directly challenges Shirou's ideal. I'm not sure what you find lacking in the dilemma there since that was one of the major themes of the route.

>>161332411
Spend all the money on drawing and animating Saber flawlessly.

>>161332411
maybe 10 episodes of Fate and 15 episodes of UBW?

>>161331134
he wants AM to be born to answer his question, whether something can be born purely evil (since he was born without empathy) or whether its up to personal choice

so whether him being an evil fuck was inevitable or his fault

>>161331377
The thing with Fate is that it builds up reaaally slowly for the grand finale, and that slow build up really fucks you up at the end with that amazing last battle and how it goes from Shirou's pov to Arturia's. That was really nice.

Then you get into UBW and realise Shirou can actually project swords and things kick off really early, it also helps that this route sort of have 2 "last battles", the first being Shirou vs Archer and the 2nd being Shirou vs Gilgamesh.

The it comes HF and you realise how necessary was the Shirou interaction with Archer in UBW for him to develop his abilities, because in HF he can't do shit without crippling himself and paying the price for magecraft he isn't able to use.

>>161332411
I'd make the company go broke on super high quality battles.

>>161332411
I'd do Fate route, since I feel like that's the one that doesn't have a proper, well-done adaptation.

First off, I'd have to prioritize certain scenes. The summoning of Saber has to be perfect, since that's the foundation of the entire story. Saber has to be portrayed in such a way that you feel as if you're seeing her for the first time with Shirou's eyes. It's not Saber herself that's important here, but rather how Shirou sees Saber. Because Shirou's feelings for Saber are the crux of the Fate route, you really have to make a strong impression. Not so much a perfect image of Saber, but a perfect image of Shirou's image of Saber.

Building off of that, next is the Berserker battle. Here, you have to show Saber's desperate struggle against Berserker. On top of not being in prime form, she was wounded by Gae Bolg and she can't use her Noble Phantasm effectively. A desperate struggle to protect her Master. It's important to show both her valiance and her frailty here, to help you sympathize with why Shirou is so protective of her throughout the route. Her bloodied, barely standing form has to be emphasized; this image is going to show up a lot throughout the story, so it really has to make a strong impression.

The first cour would end with the Rider battle. This is where you get to show off Saber's cool side. An epic battle between two mythical figures, running up skyscrapers, leaping from building to building, almost as if they're flying. The activation of Bellerophon should be captivating, making you wonder just how Saber could defend against this. But Saber's activation of Excalibur should be even moreso, with a strong buildup ending with a tower of light piercing into the heavens. The first cour should end with Shirou reaching the top of the skyscraper, catching Saber in his arms as she collapses from the strain, calling out her name.

>>161333106
You're hired.

>>161333172
What about the second season? TV format or movie format?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1b2Hhm7UcQ

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Which visual novel did you like more?
Tsukihime or Fate?

>>161333298
Both. Waiting for Tsukihime remake to hear the new soundtrack.

>>161333106
Beyond that, I think the Fate route could use a lot of adding onto. Archer should have a few more appearances. Revealing his identity is a bit excessive, but showing him interact a bit more with Shirou and Saber wouldn't hurt. Those who've played the VN or watched UBW would already know who he is, but for those who are only watching for the first time, I feel that there should be enough hints to fuel the viewer's curiosity, while also making it somewhat possible to piece everything together if you really try. Fate is not really a story that can stand on its own without UBW and HF as complimentary pieces, so some compromise is necessary. Thus, adding more scenes with Archer can only help a standalone Fate adaptation.

A few more scenes with Lancer may not hurt either. Since Lancer shows up again later, it would probably be prudent to show off a bit more of his scouting activities. The story shouldn't delve too far into the territories of the other routes, but at the very least, you should have enough of a grasp of Lancer's character to understand why he'd attack Gilgamesh in the chapel.

Gilgamesh is another factor. I think that he should appear once or twice, in the shadows, a mysterious figure who only those already familiar with the series would know. In the original Fate, he just kind of appears out of nowhere. Nothing much, just something establishing that "someone" beyond the seven Masters and Servants exists. Subtlety is ideal.

A brief glimpse of Assassin fending Berserker off and Illya getting bored and leaving would be cool too.

A good balance is important. Adding things is fine, but if you go overboard, I feel like you'd hurt the essence of what the "Fate" route is, so you need to be careful of walking that line.

>>161333298
Probably Fate, but a Tsukihime remake could surpass it.

>>161333298
Definitely Fate. I'm just too spoiled by action, music, and voice acting to ever go back to reread a literal amateur work.

>>161332411
Add more Servant vs Servant battles rather than Master vs Servant as UBW did.

Caster vs Rider, Lancer vs Berserker, etc

>>161333551
I played Tsukihime before F/Sn, but I see what you mean after playing through Mahoyo.

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>>161332194
Nasu ships it

>>161333106
The biggest problem I feel would be to make the public understand why Shirou is trying to stop Saber from fighting ar the start. Even after going through the VN, some people still think the "girls can't fight" was the real deal and not just an excuse for his PTSD

>>161317124
Extra (Male MC, Saber)

>>161333441
For the second cour, Illya should probably get a tiny bit more limelight. This is the only route in which Illya can get a happy ending, so the idea is for those familiar with the story of Fate/stay night to really cherish the fact that she's alive and happy. It's fine to borrow from Fate/Zero and have Saber reminisce about her time with Irisviel as well. If going that route, a strong feeling of nostalgia and melancholy should be used. Having Shirou, Saber and Illya in scenes together should evoke that sort of far-off, dream-like feeling, as if a subtle miracle has occurred. Something like this would never have happened in a million years, but somehow, it did.

Speaking of which, a huge amount of emphasis should be placed on Shirou recreating Caliburn. Saber's reaction to this is especially vital, since she's seeing her most cherished sword restored before her very eyes. Because this is the sword that defeats an invincible enemy that has been haunting the protagonists since day one, care should be taken to portray the splendor and beauty of Shirou's recreation. This is even more wondrous than when Shirou recreates Kanshou and Bakuya in UBW; he has reforged the Sword of Selection that should have been lost ages ago.

In regards to Shirou delving into Saber's memories, I think using stuff from Garden of Avalon is fine. There's no need to go overboard, but a few glimpses of Sir Kay and Gawain and such would be cool. Showcasing Saber's regrets concerning Lancelot is fine as well. And this might be a bit excessive, but if a grand fight between Saber and Mordred can be shown, even if it's just a short scene, it would be cool. Perhaps something even flashier than what was shown in Fate/Apocrypha. All of this can be used to accentuate Saber's regrets, providing insight into her wish.

>>161333749
Doesn't Rin tell Saber that it is Shirou's PTSD that makes him so protective of her anyway? I think these people just want to troll because of old memes.

>>161333441
What about Caster? She's not really integral to the story, other than being a generic big bad in UBW, so I feel that if given some leeway, she could have a really big role in the Fate route.

While DEEN isn't exactly the best example, the fact that they even thought about it suggests that in a more standalone series, it would feel pretty lacking without her.

>>161317124
the one where you hook up with Rin and she becomes wife material

>>161332411
Pay Nasu to write a true route
Change Altria into Arthur.

>>161333853
Add her intro that was from episode 14 of UBW, and her Fate route related scenes from F/HA.

>>161333853
Maybe scenes where Shinji is investigating the temple, and runs into Caster? How else would he get the info that there is a witch up there besides grandpa?

>>161333814
For one of the episodes, there should be an opening scene where Ryuudou Temple's gate is in ruins, Assassin is dead and fading, and Caster is clutching her dead Master in her arms. Gilgamesh is long gone, but there are swords littered throughout the ground, hinting at his involvement. Ideally, I'd like to show the actual battle, but since you can't actually have Gilgamesh appear on-screen before his introductory scene in the Emiya estate, there's no choice but to compromise.

Since Caster doesn't really get a chance to shine much in Fate, I think it'd be cool to really change things around here. In UBW, she creates a bounded field, so doing something similar would be fine. This is her one and only chance to show off, so going all out for her last hurrah would be cool. Make things flashy. If possible, make the bone warriors a little more menacing. This is a Servant who has nothing to lose, so if she expends all her power to defeating Saber and taking her for her own, it's fine. If anything, it'd make Gilgamesh's entrance even more impressive, seeing him easily shatter through Caster's bounded field and killing her easily as if swatting a fly, despite how much trouble she's giving the protagonists. For her final moment, showing her regretful expression, softly, sadly calling for her Master, and displaying the broken beauty of the fallen Caster, just before Gilgamesh cruelly, coldly disposes of her, would make for a heartwrenching scene. Medea is the kind of character who, despite her wicked nature, you can't help but feel pity for. Toying with the viewers' emotions is fine from time to time.

>>161333853
Add the scene from F/HA where Gilgamesh kills Kuzuki and Assassin at the temple?

>>161334172
Apparently that was in the original game, but Nasu didn't know where to put it, so he put it in F/HA with the Rider and Lancer flashback dreams.

>>161334103
I think some scenes that show her power before your scenario are also warranted. Remember that when Gil stormed Illya's castle in UBW, we already had exposure to Illya and Berserker's terrific strength, which only serves to make Gil appear even more powerful when he effortlessly slaughters them.

>>161332707
>UBW getting more episodes than Fate
for what purpose

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>there are people who never got to experience FSN, HA, Tsukihime, and KT completely unspoiled
Unlucky bastards.

I want to see the Prisma movie more than I want to see the HF movie.

>>161334404
The thing with Caster is that she's kind of a third wheel, so showing her off too much in the Fate route would fuck up the pacing. To begin with, just getting past Assassin is difficult for most Servants. Lancer wants nothing to do with him. Rider might fight him a bit but decide it's too much trouble so backs off. As long as that great wall known as Assassin is there, getting a confrontation with Caster is gonna be difficult. He even fended off Berserker.

>>161334089
This could work, actually. She could be the terrifying force that motivates Shinji into coming up with the plan to drain the school of its energy in order to strengthen Rider. She could even be his inspiration; after all, she's already been draining the city long before the start of the series.

Superhero > Sparks Liner High > HF ending > Fate ending > UBW ending

>>161334103
The date! This is a rare moment of reprieve, so it's fine to go all out and show off Saber's cute side! What? You think it's obtrusive? You think it doesn't fit with the rest of the story? Are you saying that it's too cliche? You say that it's not befitting of the great King Arthur? Just drown in those ideals and die! Saber was pretty cute in UBW, but this time, she's the star! Eating! Playing. Trying on clothes! And Shirou constantly blushing and looking away whenever Saber notices him! This is the dream of young men everywhere! What?

And then it all comes crashing down with that argument at the bridge. It's important to emphasize how selfish Shirou is being, Saber's pride, and the futility of Shirou's attempts at persuasion. If possible, try to show Shirou really desperately trying to come up with some way to make Saber see things his way, but at the same time show that deep down, he knows he can't. Because the one thing he can't do is trample on this King of Knight's pride. The King is unflinching, so Shirou has no choice but to run away in frustration and self-loathing. I don't think it's necessary to have Shirou run all the way back to his house, so maybe shift things around so that Shirou just kind of wallows around in self-pity, come to terms with himself, mans up, and returns to Saber. The episode would end with Gilgamesh's entrance.

For the fight with Gilgamesh, I think playing fast and loose with the source material isn't totally a bad idea. Shirou only utilizes Caliburn, but the thing is, Shirou doesn't really get many chances to show off his Gradation Air in the Fate route. Have him use few other weapons before he traces Caliburn. He's desperate here, so it's totally in Shirou's character to reach for whatever he can. Kanshou and Bakuya, Rider's chain-nails, and for the last resort, Caliburn. Fate has less action scenes than the other two routes, so adding and expanding them could be forgiven.

>>161334668
She wouldn't make it to Caster with Assassin in the way.

>>161334661
With the whole "last stand" proposal though, she just kind of shows up out of nowhere. Viewers can't really get invested in a last stand scenario if she never gets any screen time outside of it.

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>>161334721
>superhero fags

>>161334721
Shirou will never ever be a hero.

>>161334661
Can't they just go through the back?

>>161334818
Well, there was the earlier proposed scene where Berserker gets fended off by Assassin and Illya gets bored and goes home. You could show Caster floating above, smiling.

The problem with showing off Caster is that Assassin is just too strong. If you want to face Caster, you have to beat Assassin.

>>161334901
No. There's a field around Ryuudou Temple that's pretty bad for Servants. Trying to go through anywhere other than the entrance would cause a rank down on all your abilities. That's why everyone always tried to enter from the front.

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>>161334845
ERABE

>>161332411
Illya route. Caster route?

>>161334749
When Illya starts feeling the effects of the Holy Grail War drawing near, I think some scenes should be added to show Shirou and Saber's concern for her.

Concerning the critical scene in the Church, you really need to show Saber's inner turmoil. When Shirou rejects the Grail, Saber's expression should be something amazing. This is the turning point for Saber, where she starts to re-evaluate everything, so everything here should feel like a gut-punch to her.

The climactic battle should be, well, climactic. Show off as much as you can. This is the end, so there's no point in holding back. Gate of Babylon's a pain in the ass, and Gilgamesh is going all out. He's not just shooting them like a volley, but it's more like an omnidirectional barrage where nowhere is safe. Saber is great Instinct and good Agility, so it's time to show off just why she's called the King of Knights. In terms of swordskill, she's superior, so despite GoB, it's should still be an exciting fight. The clash between the Sword of Promised Victory and the Sword of Rupture should be brilliant.

As for Shirou VS Kotomine, I dunno. Shirou breaking free from the Grail mud would be neat, since it would barrage him with curses and show him terrible images, but he'd still power through. But unless you take a lot of liberties, the fight between them is hard to make very exciting. The true key point is when Shirou and Saber use Avalon. Depending on the direction and imagery, it should make for something truly brilliant. But I still feel like unless some liberties are allowed, the actual fight between the two wouldn't be all that interesting.

>>161334591
Is Prisma Illya that good?

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>>161317124
Kaleid Route.
Because there's more lolis in there.
Also because that means Zero never happened so Caster never managed to turn those lolis and shotas into meaty musical instruments.

>>161335419
The whole series shifted so much since the first two seasons. It might as well be another show about Shirou.

>>161317124
I finished playing the Unlimited Blade Works route. is it normal that illya dies? it is the very first time I played a VN did I fuck up?

>>161332084
Saber vs Rider because the fight isn't stopped halfway. I'm assuming the Archer vs Lancer fight is the one where Archer uses Roa Alias to protect himself from Gae Bolg in UBW, that one was pretty good too but it gave me blue balls.

>In Arc route she gets mad because Shiki had a wet dream about her
>In Ciel's she gets mad for no other reason than allowing the next scene to be a copypaste from the other route
Someone wake me up, this route is killing me inside

>>161336034
One of the things I was looking forward to with the Tsukihime remake was Ciel's route not literally being 50% Arc's route.

It's too bad it'll NEVER EVER happen.

>>161336075
We'll just have to wait for the Fate gravy train to run out. So maybe like 2030.

>>161335791
Did you began playing through with UBW?

>>161336916
No I played Fate first

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Caster's route!

>>161336996
Caster and Shirou would have been the best duo, prove me wrong. He's the house husband she so desperately needs.

>>161337311
Except she wants to be a housewife.

>>161337330

She's not very good at it though.

>>161337352
Shirou can teach her

>Saber Alter route
>The cold, merciless Tyrant of Knights! Can Shirou break through that draconian exterior and find the lovely maiden buried deep inside? Probably not, but Emiya Shirou never backs down!

>Lion King route
>The logical, inhuman King of Lions! Her mature appearance is completely beyond expectations! Is Shirou biting off more than he can chew?!

>Mysterious Heroine X
>Who is that mysterious beauty? What is she after? Truly, this route will keep you in suspense from start to finish!

>Mysterious Heroine X Alter
>What is even going on anymore...

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>>161317124
UBW
but only because of pic related

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>>161317124
Heaven's Feel.

jesus christ the game divided in 3 exe confused me I thought I had to run each one of the exe to play each of the route but I just have to set flags in game to go play the route I want.. I noticed that save files generated with an exe are not compatible with the other exe. why? so that you can save as much as you want without accidentally overwriting saves for other routes?

>>161337465
I'm gar for Archer no homo

>>161337311
Ah, it's so disappointing. A Caster route would have been great, dammit! Especially the part where you get stabbed in the back while having an affair with Rider…

To all of you VN readers who watched UBW, why do you care so much that Shirou's monologues got cut? I can understand why people who didn't read the VN would appreciate it, but you guys already know what he's thinking all the time, no?

>>161337600
>you guys already know what he's thinking all the time, no?
Unfortunately, I'm not a sword autist, so no.

>>161337587
If you were having an affair with Rider, you'd be the one doing the backstabbing

>>161337600
VN readers hate anime adaptions because something always gets cut.

UBW is probably the best anime adaption of a visual novel and the fans act like it is as bad as the turkeyhandle anime.

>>161337600
I read the VN and don't really care much about that, I cared more about the fact that the EMIYA OST didn't make as much impact and that the UBW chant was never fully told

I wonder what Zouken after Fate and UBW. He does fuck-all during those routes and suddenly Oh shit Sakura wants this kid's cock, let's fucking turn her into the Lesser Grail. It always felt kind he decided to join in in the war during HF on a whim.

>>161336034
At any rate, in this route, Shiki must accept that this is no bad dream, and that he has indeed killed a person. After throwing up his guts, apologizing to his teacher, Aoko, and crying for a while, he comes to the conclusion that he must be insane. However, he realizes that he is still sane, and after contemplating suicide, in the rain with the stereotypical umbrella, arrives Ciel.

After telling her that he can't go home anymore, Ciel forcibly brings him into her apartment room to dry him up. Slowly, by feeding him, giving him dry clothes, letting him take a bath, letting him stay over, and talking to him, Ciel brings Shiki's spirits back up somewhat. They have a discussion about sins and atonement. Ciel chips in that everyone is a sinner, and the real difference is those who can atone and those who can't. She says Shiki is one of the former. Preparing himself most likely for a maximum security prison, Shiki falls asleep.

He wakes up in the middle of the night, and he sees that Ciel is changing. She seems to have some mysterious tattoos all over her body. I didn't know priests of the Vatican were fans of tattoos. In any case, Shiki falls asleep once again.

Shiki wakes up to find out that Ciel took the liberty of calling the Tohno mansion to inform that he is staying over. As he is panicking, Ciel admits that she was kidding and that she got Arihibro to call them about Shiki actually staying over at his house. What a tease. In any case, Shiki thanks Ciel for what she has done for him, and leaves after she gives him a protective charm.

This reminds me of that scene from the second Twilight movie where Edward and Jacob were arguing over Bella. I wonder if Ciel is shamelessly showing off her muscular body as well.

>>161337698
>It always felt kind he decided to join in in the war during HF on a whim.

Because he did?

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>>161317124
UBW

The Archer tidbits are so fucking interesting that seeing him get some closure is great.

I am literally gay for GARCHER and I am not even a Homo!

>>161332116
>>161331442
How the fuck did Shirou even manage to get out of the mud? Every time we see the mud touching someone the mud fucks them up but Shirou manages to brush it off somehow, he doesn't even have Avalon inside him anymore.

>>161337698
HF is the only route where his plan with Sakura went as intended. In the other routes he was just like "Fuck it I got time"

>>161337798
Shirou is a Hero of Justice. He see's all the curses in the mud and is like "I won't lose to this". Plus he has natural resistance to the stuff as a magus, by boosting her own resistance Rin could wade through it to grab the Shinji Grail.

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>>161337698
The reason Zouken acted was because Sakura awakened as a Lesser Grail in that route. The condition for Sakura to activate is Shirou reciprocating her feelings. Once that happens, she starts to go out of control. Only then can Zouken's plan go into motion. It's a dice roll. Frankly, he never really thought that Sakura would seriously amount to anything, so when the conditions were met he was pleasantly surprised.

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>>161317124
Really like the routes but its UBW=HF>Fate

>>161337964
>The condition for Sakura to activate is Shirou reciprocating her feelings. Once that happens, she starts to go out of control.
But how does this manages to activate the Lesser Grail on Sakura?

>>161337955
>Shirou is a Hero of Justice. He see's all the curses in the mud and is like "I won't lose to this".

Why couldn't Kiritsugu do this?

>>161338059
Angry Manjew had already broken him before he got MUDDED.

>>161337955
First time he broke free was because of pure willpower. Second time, he projected Avalon and cleaned the mud which surprised Kirei since he didn't expect such thing to be possible.

>>161338025
Zouken sees Shirou brining Sakura home and notices she has feelings for him. He also notices Shirou is a novice magus AND someone who will be a master so he's like
>Wait...this situation is actually super good for me!

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So if Archer didn't got killed in HF.

Then could he have done things efficiently?

He was pretty confident that he can deal with the shadows and have many ways to kill Zouken

>>161338059
Because Kerry isn't a seigi no mikata.

>>161338552
An Archer being alive would be able to deal with corrupted Berserker and would be able to defeat Alter with Rider's help. If Shirou with his arm was a huge help then I don't see why the real deal wouldn't perform better.

>>161338025
Zouken doesn't activate anything. Remember, he didn't actually expect anything out of Sakura to begin with. When Shirou reciprocated Sakura's feelings, the happiness that welled up in her pretty much caused her to activate on her own. This was Zouken's chance.

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>>161330648
It has the best romance, and it's the best route.

Fate /Epic of Gilgamesh when?

>>161338981
CCC