This shit is finally ending. Other than 7.5, I can't really remember a decent volume after the 6th one. Editor-san ruined WW's series for me. The cherry on this pile of shit was the another spin-off/AU.
Can someone translate the description? No google please
"so, even if that choice was wrong At the Valentine Day event, at the end of that snowy day, Hachiman and the others start moving one step at a time. There's a huge request for this Service Club awaiting. Despite that request, the three of them are going on as usual. If it's what they themselves desire... Like what if that choice could be replayed. Maybe they'll eventually become adults, maybe they'll meet and separate again as adults. But all they have before their eyes is just "now". Yukino, Yui, Hachiman. Everyone will give an answer while holding those feelings in their hearts. As the Spring comes again, the series' Volume 12 draws to conclusion ah damn, I'm late"
No I didn't translate this
>Despite that request, the three of them are going on as usual. If it's what they themselves desire
Loner end with them going their separate ways confirmed. Hachiman won't choose and there will be a mild friends lining to the end. No romance end. The now will be mundane and the future bittersweet.
>it took watari two years to come up with this shit
Bravo, so it's another filler volume where nothing happens or gets resolved and he blueballs us until volume 50, because this is his only succesful work.
What possessive me off the most is that there will be even more shipping teases in vol 12. This two years of bullshit to make a novel anyone else could have written. Why is there no balls in this? Volume 11 really hyped up some shit going down.
Watari's obviously trying to squeeze in enough source material for a S3 instead of a one-off/two-off OVA
So we'll probably get an OVA or something one day if this is the last one, or we could get a full season if there's one more after this.
Yukino is gonna win and then no one will be butthurt.
>vol 12 is not the final one and doesn't seem like it will have anything conclusive
So the 2 years of wait weren't because of the editors, but just Watari being a lazy ass fuck?
Where is your yuipollfag now?
Why? It was to the expert eyes it obvious volume 12 wasn't going to be the last one because there was too much stuff left to cover and in such case it wouldn't have any "controversial" stuff that would force the editors to do anything.
Even a theory like Watari having a mental breakdown because of the pressure after becoming so famous seems more likely.
>Oregairu LN final volume (#12) confirmed to be released September 20th
I couldn't be readier
>being a lazy ass fuck?
or just working on girlish number, anyway yuipollfag will still spread his conspiracy theory so don't bother with him
he is delusional, please don't enable him
>"so, even if that choice was wrong At the Valentine Day event
>Despite that request, the three of them are going on as usual. If it's what they themselves desire..
>Everyone will give an answer while holding those feelings in their hearts.
Then their Choices is to follow Yui's request at the end of Vol11 but that Hachiman refuse ???
So Yuikino has agreed to stay like this until the university for the sake of their friendships
I am at the airport now but this series of events fits my expectations perfectly. Obviously delaying for time so WW can convince them to let him have the end is in his vision. This is more evidence that Yukino won't win. No implied romance in this volume for her, a really good sign. A Yui end seems more and more likely.
>The girl that broke his heart will be the one to repair it
No, anime is made by production committees. Yahari sold a lot of BDs, so other members of the committee would be interested in a S3, and I'm sure Kadokawa also makes a lot of money from merch.
>So Yuikino has agreed to stay like this until the university for the sake of their friendships
She accepted Yui's request. That literally means that she won't end up with him. All you fags who thought that she was genuine are wrong. She wants and loves the status quo.
Yukino is telling Yui and 8man she is not interested in 8man romantically. Going forward as usual means that Yui was wrong about her feelings. Remember how Yukino told Yui not to put feelings in her mouth. Yui misunderstood everything. Yukino fags are on suicide watch.
Shouldn't the LN sales/merchandising/collabs with other companies be the best way to gauge popularity? Remember when Oregairu even appeared on baseball games and shit?
>>Everyone will give an answer while holding those feelings in their hearts.
Hard because two people who really love each other and that their feelings is finally mutual will not be able to express it or go to another "real date " as promised between them
Be strong Yui in this future Vol because your love will be rewarded at the end
I see it as them either blowing off the love triangle for a while or waiting for them to part before 8man blows one the he'll out.
Yui tried to make them even at the end of volume 11 like the new years prophecy foretold. Notice in ANOTHER Yui just did whatever she wanted and took 8man without helping Yukino? They are even and will stay so until the very end.
This will have an ambiguous end where we don't know who he picked if he picks at all. Non-offensive and clean.
>>>Everyone will give an answer
I think Yukino asked them to Yui and Hachiman
This is her request
"To stay together as friends for the moment and not change anything and give their choices at the end of the school year"
They have accepted her request even if it is a bad choice on "muh anti genuine"
>>"so, even if that choice was Wrong At the Valentine Day event
They knew they were wrong but for Yuikino they will do it
>while holding those feelings in their hearts.
It is totally going to be none of them express their feelings and romance will not be resolved. Holding their real feelings in while giving an answer is the worst thing that could happen.
So wait, all that GETTING along was just because ice Queen and 8man are similar? So they were in a comrade relationship? As fellow unpleasant lol or shit? Oh well, it's either Iroha or Yui, sensei has no chance, Saki lost the war, Totsuka can't count as 8man is straight and Saika is the boy, nothing else is much of a rival, it's either Iroha or Yui, but logically deducing the result by logical deduction Iroha is like a fox, Hachiman is like a bear, he look down on her and thinks of her as Kouhai, so yeah Yui has most chance to win, that will be a game changer because everyone assumed Yuki will win as that is how it usually works, but if Yui wins for once we all won't be like "oh the first girl won how surprising" as a Yuki day I can approve of this.
>TFW when Totsuka does not win being the best
Best thing about the series was their was literally no Fujo whoring in an audience with faggotry like "we fandom!" And bullshit, for one part totsuka's fan were great too, it was all cute to see Hikki be gay but in end everyone understood the issue on hand that 8man is not gay (I mean not that Doujin stopped because of it, but still) it was about the qualities Hikki wanted, if Tot Saika was a girl then it would have been game over for everyone now.
oh whell their will be always the Fujo whòres to project up their gender dysphoria on the straight male to feel less pathetic self esteem, but it's not as bad as BNHA dykes who've yet hating trend.
I would take Yukino from season 1
I'd bitchslap her enough for her to lose that "everybody hates me because I'm better than them" attitude and then I'd hug her enough to fix her mommy/sister issues
Hag is not worthy of thick teen cock, she can die a virgin, hell I'd have bullied her for being a faliure of a woman everyday till she hanged herself in damn school, god knows how much urban shit could be avoided if she did not bother with the 8man's life choices, holy shit! What does the cunt has right to judge in a young boy when she is lonely woman in pass 30's who can't cook for shit, is less femenine than a fucking transvestite and chain smoked in her goddamn school of all places! She isn't really getting any, she will work and die alone, old, sagy.
(But that aside she has them great tits tho, really wanted to see Hachiman raping her back into her place)
It's going to be the loner end. AU/A.n.o.t.h.e.r for the romance end (Yui), the VNs as romance end for whatever girl you like, and the main novel as the realistic end. Friendship end would just dismisses all development so far and the omnipotent muh genuine so I don't see that happening.
>final arc, not final volume
Graduation into timeskip to 8man in university/college incoming, which would be the start of the sequel.
Remember you are here forever.
>season 3 threads
I CAN'T FUCKING WAIT
You are not the only one, I thought she'll get some sense after seeing she & 8man are nearly same, the perfect grade, sharp brain, god knows why she is even Queen of world, I guess it's a matter of looks but what highschool taught me is that beauty is subjective unless you all speak from a Tumblr blog, and everyone is bandwagon normalfag, if one girls says "oh he's kinda nice looking", other girls will follow it to pit of hell and die in that dark gossip cunt
Yuki's "holier than thou" attitude is plain annoying, infact while I like her a lot for who she is not worthy of 8man honestly.
>> two people who really love each other and that their feelings is finally mutual
Yes it is mutual
Hachiman wants another date with Yui(He says in his monologue)
It is subtle but visible that he also has feelings for her
Why he would want another meeting with the girl of which he knows that she in love with him(Sadistic?? I do not think so )
And the promised date is validated by Yui so why??
It is logic
He wants to go and be with her on the day of At the Valentine Day event
This is a big winner's flag and set up for the blind who did not understand why it is that day he chooses among the 364 DAYS THAT REMAIN
It's not as if there were not another days or he could ask her for the" date"???
Add also to speak of the fact that
His monologue is very clear for the reader who knows how to read and understand that
He was also very disappointed that it is not a real date with her and that Yuikino was there He wanted to be with Yui only
That's why he wants another date yet with Yui
and he finds a new pretext for it
Both Yui and Yukino were melting down because they both liked 8man. They still fucking do. This lack of development doesn't make any fucking sense if WW just wants rehash volume 11. They are still going to hide their feelings from eachother. despite all three of them knowing who feels what This is such bullshit. But some of the language used makes it seem like this time the status quo will never end. The optimist might say this just means they are putting romance on hold until X happens but it really seems like a friends end.
WW is just delaying what the fans want. There is a guaranteed time skip and chances are we won't know shit about the details. This seems so ungenuine. Yukino probably told Yui and 8man to sit tight/
Link it, I know moon.
Postan for anyone who wants to translate
>8man's perfect grades
he doesn't IIRC
>why she is even Queen of world
she was so best that others got jealous
that's not how it works in real life but it's not important now
>she is not worthy of 8man
what does it take to be worthy of a loner that keeps rationalizing the reason why he's so unpopular, one that also thinks he's so much better than others, one that's an asshole to half the people he encounters?
really mait, what are you talking about
you should stop for a moment and reflect on that maybe you're sympathize so much for 8man because you too feel like you're much better than everyone even though you're very unpopular and a loner, because that's the only reason I can imagine being behind writing a post like yours
or maybe you're stupid and/or have shit taste beyond my imagination, it would really surprise me if it wasn't one nor the other
>That's why he wants another date yet with Yui
Hachiman wants a "another" date with Yui
Reminder that Yui won the hachimanbowl in 'Another'
Hachiman wants the same thing
Shit Watari is not discreet about it
another....... another......... another
Okay, the TL is really bad. This is way more vague than the previous TL indicates. There is an uneasy lining. It is more like we don't know the future and won't in volume 12. Yukino's request is actually a game changer and DOESN'T preserve any status quo. The part about holding some of their feelings is true but is more along the lines of an answer only coming forth from doing that.
They are 100% pursuing an answer that is not pretty even if it a bad end. Yukino is going to is probably going to finish her character arc in this volume. They will make decisions that will hurt feelings even if they care for each other and if I am sure of one thing they will know each other's feelings before the end.
tl;dr: A teaser and not too much can be made from it. Likely separate ways but it isn't the ending.
I will wait for an actual TLer to do it since I am sure there is already a guy who TLs these novels. It is honestly just my interpretation of it and I am a massive Yuifag.
To add to this holding feelings in their hearts is meant to be taken as going forward with romance suppresses their feelings of wanting everyone to be happy but wanting to make everyone happy suppresses their feelings for romance. They all might not make the same decision.
>I will wait for an actual TLer to do it since I am sure there is already a guy who TLs these novels.
Don't wait for Spyro if you meant him. Guy is dead and he was so incredibly based towards Yukino that his translations all suffered as a result. If we can take the interpretations of multiple people like yourself we can probably establish a solid middle ground and thus reliable translation.
Yeah right, because 6th wasn't also bullshit with both YY, Haruno, Hiratsuka and Shiromeguri suddenly acquiring the magical ability to play a live concert out of fucking nowhere. And don't try to bullshit me with
>they all learned it somewhere before
because I know my shit, I've played in an amateurish band for years, and you can't put a show like that with no practice whatsoever and/or after not practicing for years. That was just pure bullshit, the first bullshit in a somewhat realistic series up until that point.
Oh, 7.5 also, really? Same kinda shit, but just Yukino this time: suddenly she transforms into an expert judoka with a big "fuck you" to the plot and to the story's sense of reality, courtesy of the author himself. So don't go accusing editors and other shit, WW was pretty able to ruin his story himself, way before all that uneeded drama came out. Which, by the way, was the umpteenth proof that this shit isn't even trying to be realistic.
And people even dares to call this "the most realistic (romance) light novel there is". Hah. Don't kid yourselves, if you really think japanese teenagers act or think or even feel like that, it's very likely you got a lot problems in your head.
This. That whole ANOTHER crap was really unneeded, and it worked out only to milk some more money for WW and his associates. He could've written that shit even after the series's end, right?
>he was so incredibly based towards Yukino that his translations all suffered as a result
first i've heard of this, gib proof?
>milk out more money
I thought ANOTHER were extras bundled as a bonus with the BDs and non-canon, why's everyone throwing a shitfit over it?
It was established early on that Yukino is good at martial arts from her character bio. All of the characters except for Yui and Yukino performer the exact same song the year before or a couple of years before when Haruno still went to that school. Yukino said that she prwcticed that song at home after she saw her sister perform it.
>first i've heard of this, gib proof?
It's bullshit. Spyro's translations are very good.
As for another, some autists keep using it as some type of proof that Hachiman loves Yui and they're shoving it down everyone's throat.
Replace Hachiman with Joker and Oregairu is now actually entertaining.
Nope they're not. Not all of them, at least. The rest are just novelfags who read only from the 7vol (from Spyro's translations and on) and that never really understood the story and just came out with their own theories and head-canons (always wrongly, like back then after vol7 came out, with most of people thinking that "obviously" Yukino was mad because 8man turned down Yui in such a bad way) after each and every volume after that, even now after vol11. Even japs themselves never really understood most of the plot, because japanese is really THAT indirect with all those misdirecting words and phrases, so why should they, who can't understand a single japanese word, be so full of themselves to act so high and say they perfectly know the series? It's always like that, it's always been ever since back then. It's ridiculous, but what is even more ridiculous it's that they still haven't realized that.
>It's obvious you're not reading the novel.
>It's obvious you don't understand the novel, because [insert collective headcanon here].
>It's obvious you don't understand [insert character here], because [insert collective headcanon here].
It's kind of appaling how full of shit all these people are.
They should just shut the fuck up, and wait patiently for the end of the series. Then, and only then, they can talk about it, because by that time their headcanon will (hopefully) all be resolved.
>first i've heard of this, gib proof?
Not him, but there were daily threads on /a/ back when he ragequitted halfway vol11.
Not him again, but I think he was more angry about the fact that WW lost precious time writing ANOTHER instead of vol12.
Even if they come to regret their choice
it is something that needs to be said, even if they know their choice will be bitter, they will confirm each other's feelings. Yukino, Hachiman, and Yui will forge a new path one step at a time and have resolved to do so. For themselves and for each other they will make this choice.
The after the Valentine's Day event, after the snowy day at the aquarium, they are taking their own path one step at a time.
There is a big request made to the service club.
If that is what they want...
What they were to make the decision even if they come to regret it.
People may eventually become more mature as time goes on, people may grow due to meeting and parting with people but the now is always in front of them.
If Yukino, Yui, and Hachiman hold these feelings in their heart then they can each make their own decision.
Like I already said, that was all pure bullshit.
You just can't pull that shit off with no practice, preparation, and earlier coordination.
Just for 1 song they would have to practice for AT LEAST a couple weeks, not to mention the coordination.
And about Yukino being a judoka, read 7.5 again.
Do you really think a girl with a little generic knowledge about martial arts that never practice could ever beat a student who's in a club that practices it several hours a day 6 days a week?
In your dreams, kiddo.
It is more or less a rehash of 8man's internal dialogue and speech at the end of volume 11. It is vague bullshit that we can't get shit from. One thing to note is the service club is refereed to in an RIP in peace way.
I was sorta literal but I tried to make it readable.
I'm reading it now for the first time.
No offense taken, but it seems a little biased to me.
So I'll just say the same of this anon here
>It's pretty accurate, but we'll find out just how accurate it is when volume 12 comes out
They still did too much. It's like in roleplaying games, when you have to roll a d20, and you know that only a perfect "20" will make you succeed.
Well, they rolled that 20. But it's not how it works in real-life, and that's what irked me the most. If you remember the story up to that point, no bullshit such as that ever happened, and I really liked how it was pretty realistic until that. Except, well, Hiratsuka using violence with a student, but that's half-believable.
Harem ending or we riot.
"Harem" as only Yui and Yukino, though.
Not Iroha. I like her, but I absolutely don't trust her. It seems to me that she wants a harem ending for herself too, with both HH all for herself.
Saika is obviously not really gay, so disregard him.
And Saki isn't really into 8man, just a minor crush maybe, so disregard her too.
I forgot this line. This one is actually the most important.
Confronted with this request they take a different approach than usual. Taking care of this request should have been more natural for the three.
I just read Honeymoon Salad a few days ago.
So now that kind of threesome ending seems very appealing to me.
I know, the characters' circumstances are all different between Oregairu and HS, but still... I think it's still feasible. Think about it. The girls are best friend, they're also just a little into eachother, 8man is obviously in love with both...
Do it, Watari. Do it. Make our dreams come true. Nothing is impossible!
That would never work. Both girls from Honemyoon Salad were huge, HUGE whores. That's why the threesome ending worked in the end, for the MC and them.
And, no matter what one says, Yui and Yukino can be called anything BUT whores.
Foreshadowing for what exactly? I know I'm probably asking too much, because you don't know either, but it comes across that not all three of them will solve the problem together.
So is the surprise Haruno ending confirmed yet?
It will obviously be a Yukino ending, and it will obviously be clichéd and foreseeable as fuck.
I can already see Watari going for the obvious Yukinoshita x Hayama marriage of convenience, with Hachiman going to stop it and taking Yukino for himself.
I can feel the boredom from here already, breaking the 4th dimension.
I honestly have no idea what Yukino's request will be. Even after all this time I have seen no really good ideas.
After reading the vague product description I am wondering if her request will be "let's all go separate ways" which may or may not actually happen.
It's like people already forgot the entire ending of volume 11
>8man conclusively announces that Yukino needs to solve her own problems
>Yukino says she has a request
GEE I WONDER WHAT COULD BE DIFFERENT FROM USUAL ABOUT THIS REQUEST
What is this? I read most of the LN and watched the anime, but don't remember seeing this.
I am not seeing it. Yukino is implied to be doing her own thing. It explicitely say Yukino will go on a new path which is heavily implied to be away from her current path. Unless you think Hayama is her new path that marriage shit won't happen.
no, it's end cards from the second season, there was an entire pattern where hachiman first gave a can to saika, which then got passed around to yukino giving it back to hachiman
>yukinofag translator quits when volume 11 comes out
What did he intend by this?
> Confronted with this request they take a different approach than usual. Taking care of this request should have been more natural for the three.
So is the request from Yukino going to be "let me deal with my problems on my own"? Which they may not follow if they see things getting worse and worse for her. It would be "natural" for them to take care of the request, since they don't have to do anything at all. Though "the three" would ostensibly include Yukino herself and that logic wouldn't apply to her.
The worshipping got to his head.
The biased translations is a lie, though.
Only his opinions were biased, but opinions are something that need to be biased to exist in the first place.
Just take it to mean you don't know what her request actually is. Things may not get worse for her, they may get better. The nature of this request is not something everyone will handle well so it might not at all be Yukino centric.
He was tired.
But don't worry anon, another yukinofag translator translated volume 11 and the VN.
Well you'd think that the "different approach than usual" and "should have been more natural for the three" are hinting at something tangible that we can guess at. But who knows what it could be.
Really? It seemed way more to me.
Anyway, about the analysis itself--it seems pretty bullshit to me, 100% biased against 8man.
This shit is the definite proof of how much the fandom changed so much since 2013. Traitors, all of them.
Pic related it's what happened, but the opposite.
It's not cock that always wins, it's the pussy. Pussy and waifuism. This makes me sick.
>starts out mocking generic romcoms
>turns into a generic romcom and all the fans only care about who ends up bumping uglies with the mc
>>starts out mocking generic romcoms
I thought the title was about his cynicism. Like how he misinterprets Yui as just being nice.
Or do you think at the beginning he really intended Yui to only be nice and for the whole thing to be a misinterpretation?
>Was leaving the series on a cliffhanger part of your plan?
>Well congratulations, you've got your readers hooked, now what's the next step of your master plan?
>Crashing this romcom...with no winners!
I'm not saying that. I'm saying that thanks to that guy all that already existing shit is thriving even more. Kinda like with Spyro and his biased opinion towards Yukino, it's not his fault it happened, but all of the shitters that came later made me hate her as much as the Irohafags on /a/ threads made me hate Iroha.
Yui's entire story is as generic as it gets from the start
The entire premise of being forced into a club is generic as it gets and never mocked.
The whole accident is as generic as it gets
Is there a volume 0 I haven't read? One that explains why there are so many idiots who claim this serious was EVER a mockery of romcoms?
Because as far as I can tell. From day one.
The only thing special was 8man.
>It was on the first translators's site
It was basically about how he looked up to Haganai's author, thanking her for indirectly giving him this idea, and that he thought the author of Haganai herself tried to do that at first too, even if she failed at that. Just like he failed, too, but I digress.
The thing I hated most about this series was how the main character/side character distinction really became pronounced; it was really obvious who you were supposed to pay attention to and overanalyze and who you could just dismiss as comic relief. It not only made me feel that the series didn't completely live up to the "realistic anime romcom" it was chalked up to be, since in my opinion, everyone has problems and secrets hidden away and there isn't a real person out there who is just comic relief and nothing else, but it also made me hate it whenever those characters who you were supposed to analyze showed up, sort of like a "Fuck, here they come again, looks like I have to try to analyze everything they say now." I just found it all terribly inconsistent. And because I felt like the need for analysis was somehow forced on me the whole time, I was unable to enjoy any of the moments intended for comedy in the lighthearted early volumes.
I also didn't like the way Yukino was written, it felt like she was begging to be analyzed, and to me, she just became that, something to be analyzed, instead of a human being. So it felt disingenous to what she might have really wanted, you know, to be seen as a human. And honestly, I got the impression that she shared way too much in common with other ojou-samas out there. Sure, there might not be a character out there with the exact same collection of characteristics as Yukino, but it felt like the analysis expected of you is not worth the effort if the payoff is characterisics you've probably seen somewhere before. I liked those character traits though, but I just hated it whenever she showed up, more than any other character and she shows up all the time.
Did anybody else here feel something similar?
I didn't write it, but I always appreciate anyone trying to do something positive for a community. Which is why I appreciated Spyro as well. However you're wrong about Yuifags. There's thousands of them that are awful as well.
Well, who cares about the characters already. My point is that, differently from you, I don't appreciate either Spyro or that other faggot who wrote that bullshit analysis. Even if I don't think as badly at them as the rest of the retarded waifufags, I still think they're part of the problem, and not some people to worship.
finally the masterpiece in anime is finally getting completed. There hasn't been a more realistic novel depicting high school romance in existence. I can't wait to see which girl he falls in love with
All the SnK shipfaggotry never ceases to amaze me. That manga has pretty much zero romantic interactions and like one or two one-sided crushes, yet the threads are a pure shippingshit.
This one is the actual origin of the meme. Last pic was to show you the artist.
Erase the word "alone" and you're left with
>You can't learn Japanese
That same could be said for all the other series that other anon mentioned. SnK is just the worst of the bunch, because of tumblrfags. But all the other ones are not too far from that.
REJOICE, THE GODDESS HAS RETURNED TO CLAIM WHAT IS HERS
well, she does have a bug eyed uguu alien look, but since it's on a traditional media it comes off as kinda adorable
I can't wait for Iroha to platonically-for-the-sake-of-practice hold hands with 8man on their next not-date. Then she'll platonically kiss him on the lips and ask his opinions on it. Then she'll have 8man platonically impregnate her to get his opinions on her fertility. Then she'll platonically marry him so that she can practice being the best and most loving wife and mother possible.
Dunno I disliked how much the side characters became one-dimensional while trying to make the main trio look deep.
They are, don't get me wrong, but not as much as they appear and various side characters feel like wasted potential.
Like Kawasaki or Saika. There's a lot going on about them but we see none.
Yui is a fairly simple character in comparison to Yukino, 8man too, but his charm lies in how he is the edgy, contrarian teen we all were at some point and well, how he kinda grows past that.
In my opinion this series is good, if a little blatant in some aspects.
After the 2 years wait the fandom is little more than cancerous waifufags and 8man should end alone.
Completely agree with you anon, only Totsuka surprised me after vol 8 (?) changing my belief of him as another comic relief trap archetype to a real friend of 8man, Zaimokuza too in a minor grade. I felt like Orimoto needed more exposition too.
>Chances are that's not going to happen.
I know, it's almost certain that he will end with yukinoshita, but still. Just my opinion.
Saika (the trap) had a couple of moments were he demonstrated he's a genuine friend of 8man
Zaimokuza too, and Saki...fuck that was just my opinion, I just wanted to see her more.
>based WW giving you 2+ years to learn nip so you could actually read the end and not rely on biased Yukinofag translations
You have been practicing, right?
Miura's a lovely girl who deserves to be with the man of her dreams
Sure, but it's really just my opinion and impressions rather than a critique of the series as a whole. As I said earlier, I am in the minority, most people seem to like the stuff I didn't. It's just that there was something about Yahari that made me hate trying to analyze it, and it's a feeling that I've never experienced before. I love analyzing literature, and hell, I've written long analyses about GTA characters for Christ sake. But I just hated doing it this time around, and this is a series that expects you to analyze it; it's all about "reading between the lines."
I was pretty disappointed with how characters like Saika and Zaimokuza were used. I would have loved to read some of the male camaraderie in sperginess that would have come up if they and Hachiman were allowed to grow closer, not just have the relationship be completely one-sided. Those interactions where they allow themselves to be spergs could have been tied to the concept of genuine, and perhaps created a dichotomy: does Hachiman's genuine lie in the spergy yet honest and drama-free friend interactions with Saika and Zaimokuza, or in the arduous romantic struggles with Yukino and Yui? Which has more legitimacy? Orimoto too. She's a window into Hachiman's past; how has the early influence of people like her changed Hachiman's interpretation of genuine compared to others?
I guess my problem was not that they were side characters, it's that not only were they side characters, but it seemed like they and their interactions only existed as comic relief and nothing else. You can write a comedy character and still have the comedic interactions be thematically relevant, but I just didn't get that impression from Yahari. They seemed like distractions from the characters the reader was supposed to analyze, just as you said.
There's definitely a lot to like about Yahari, and I don't think it's a bad series. I just didn't find myself enjoying it that much.
>I've written long analyses about GTA characters
What the fuck.
>Those interactions where they allow themselves to be spergs could have been tied to the concept of genuine, and perhaps created a dichotomy: does Hachiman's genuine lie in the spergy yet honest and drama-free friend interactions with Saika and Zaimokuza, or in the arduous romantic struggles with Yukino and Yui?
That's the entire point though. Hachiman doesn't treat any of these people as his friends. His entire mindset is so warped that he wants to be a loner no matter what the cost. Those "wacky" scenes with them isn't the real thing he's searching for. It's all just a bunch of buddy buddy bullshit, but when he became the most hated person none of them had his back.
As for Orimoto, you get to see a glimpse of her in the first season where they were making fun of the guy because he confessed to her.
>You can write a comedy character and still have the comedic interactions be thematically relevant, but I just didn't get that impression from Yahari. They seemed like distractions from the characters the reader was supposed to analyze, just as you said.
As for this, that's not entirely true. They may not have as much depth as the rest of the cast, but they all have their own things.
Is Spyro even going to translate it or do we someone else on the job?
>I was pretty disappointed with how characters like Saika and Zaimokuza were used. I would have loved to read some of the male camaraderie in sperginess that would have come up if they and Hachiman were allowed to grow closer, not just have the relationship be completely one-sided. Those interactions where they allow themselves to be spergs could have been tied to the concept of genuine, and perhaps created a dichotomy: does Hachiman's genuine lie in the spergy yet honest and drama-free friend interactions with Saika and Zaimokuza, or in the arduous romantic struggles with Yukino and Yui? Which has more legitimacy?
Yeah, the friend vs lover question would have been interesting, alas we didn't get it.
It's kind of sad that the protag search for a genuine relationship is boiled down to a choice between two girls or a romance (not really, end game is sadly yukino)
But yeah, I agree the side characters got an ugly treatment in comparison at the main trio
Still good, but not as much as it should.
>Iroha officially hooks up with 8man next volume
>the rest of the series is about the club getting over it while oregairu threads are in constant meltdown
All these threads care about is the girl who gets 8man when there's so much more interesting stuff going on in the series.
I've seen MAL threads with more substance than the shit in these threads.
>What the fuck.
Yeah, I'm fascinated with GTA IV's writing in particular. I'm working on a Johnny Klebitz analysis that's currently 11 pages double spaced, and it's about halfway done. I've just been lazy so I've been putting it off.
>That's the entire point though. Hachiman doesn't treat any of these people as his friends.
I understand that, but I wish all of their interactions couldn't be summed up as just that, or "it's not this compared to this" and that they had another shade to them, making one not objectively worse than the other, so that more can be said about their specific interactions on a micro scale, rather than their intent being able to be summed up in two or three sentences like you just did, and the reader being led back to Yukino and Yui once again for all the nuanced thematic exploration. I guess what I was interested in was an examination of the concept of "the real thing" in all its facets across many characters with different upbringings, rather than Hachiman searching for his own definition and seeing whether it's possible that others can measure up to it. Such a thing could have been tied up with the premise of the subversion of the ideal anime romcom: it versus "the real thing"
>As for this, that's not entirely true. They may not have as much depth as the rest of the cast, but they all have their own things.
Oh yeah, they do have their own things. But I just never felt that those were very important to the themes the series wanted to address, or worth paying careful attention to. Also, I should have clarified that I was mostly talking about Saika and Zaimokuza, as those are the two I felt the most sore about, since I like reading the male interactions in this type of series, and I wanted them to be more nuanced. It's my own bias.
Furthermore, it has been a long while since I read anything Yahari, so my memory is definitely rusty. I just saw a Yahari thread, and I wanted to see if anyone got the same impressions I did.
I think the real thing can simply be deduced by actually looking at the differences between the relationships 8man has with the cast.
As for Saika and Zaimokuza, well, one is mostly just a token trap, but he does have his moments. Zaimokuza on the other hand does have more to him, it's just mostly featured in the LN. I'd say that the anime sadly didn't do the LN any justice, because not everything is drama all the time, but that's the adaptation we got, so what can you do.
>Post post that analysed the series.
>Proceed to trigger a bunch of insecurities.
This place will provide ample entertainment.
>I disagree. Characters like Ebina and Miura got some exploration with their click.
They got a little timelight during their arcs. Like Tobe being actually nice, or Cunt as more than "chad thunrcook" that can decide things for himself.
But I'm talking about some more than just that.
And again, just my opinion. The story is good as it is.
Too busy playing the Kiseki games.
Hey, he wasn't always a meth head biker, he was a biker who couldn't just forget about his ex so he started one of the worst things that could have happened to the MC he belonged to
Yeah, you're right, how Hachiman treats his interactions does tell you what he wants his "real thing" to be. But I was less interested in that as an exploration of the "real thing" in general, and how a person's perception of what is the real thing, what they want it to be, if it's worth chasing after, etc. is influenced by where they came from, i.e. the anime archetypes they embody and some other things, and their interactions would be the platform with which to debate which one is right or for one perspective to critique and examine the other, while the characters build chemistry, make humor, stray farther apart or grow closer as a result, delivered via the testimony of an unreliable narrator. This happens between the Service Club trio, but I wanted it to happen with and between everyone, as to me, "the real thing" is something everyone looks for and wants to find in their lives, especially when they're teenagers, and I wanted the environment to reflect that. But I'm probably typing gibberish at this point.
I remember getting particularly pissed when reading about how Zaimokuza turned his own speech about his motivation for being an LN writer into a big joke a few lines later, since the essence of that speech was something I remember deeply empathizing with as a fellow writer, and I felt like it was as if he was willingly stripping his character depth away from him. But again, my memory is rusty.
you shouldn't feel too bad, Watari has parts of himself in both characters: Hachiman the dark philosopher/loner/alienate youth aspect and Zaimokuza representing his chuuni/dreamer side. So you could say, in the end, Zaimokuza becomes a writer in real life.
Oh no, he didn't catalyze the fall of his club. Billy and Ashley did, and it was up to him to attempt to pick up the pieces. He did kill Billy in the end, but ultimately, he failed to save his club. One big theme I touch upon in the analysis is just how different Johnny and Billy actually are, from their demeanors and dialogue with each other, right down to their smaller interactions with others like webm related, how this ties into the greater differences between the concepts of loyalty, realism and idealism within the context of biker culture they embody, and ultimately which one wins out in the end and the consequences of one winning over the other (Johnny has the word LOYAL on his biker jacket, Billy does not, and a bunch of other things)
In GTA V,
Johnny is killed by one of the incumbent GTA protagonists, Trevor, who is, as he said, also a meth head.
Sorry for off topic.
Hachiman and Hayama talk about very serious topics unlike Hayama and rest of his clique.
Hachiman actually starts treating Totsuka as a friend rather than a cute face, talks about future and let's him participate as a "bro in crime" during marathon.
And of course Sensei's life counseling after the long drive is amazing.
Yo bb, wanna wrestle without our clothes on?
Its pretty obvious she does man.
Honestly I'm kind of hoping for the non-romantic route (they decide they're all better off as friends,) but between the whole of season 2 + Valentines chocolate, it could barely be more obvious.
I actually really liked Hachiman and Hayama's interactions, because they really are each other's antithesis, which is probably why they can talk about such subjects so boldly.
I dunno, there's just something that this series that makes me intrigued. Not necessarily for the romcom aspects as those are fairly dime a dozen, but just for the general look in the psyche of somebody who is experiencing dealing with the people around him.
Its so fun to read in-between the lines and realize the hidden meaning behind every action because it gives you new thoughts on these characters and the actions they take.
I can see why people hate this though because some people simply don't care about analyzing and just want to enjoy things for what they are. But Yahari is such obtuse and roundabout series that you're not going to get a lot from it unless you actually start theorizing because you're just going to be confused and upset at not being able to understand what's going on.
If nothing else, it caught my interest compared to the the thousands of other LN's and it did for a lot of other people too.
No, you'll notice, unlike any other girl in her school, she has short version of Yukino's stockings. Kaori is the "this one is not quite right" girl.
People so busy discussing the main two without noticing the fujo will sweep in and win the bowl.
in one of the afterwords Watari asks his publisher to let him make a Tobe X Ebina story; sorry but she is not on the table for Hachiman, though she is an interesting character who is much more intelligent and sensitive than most realize. And also it is worth mentioning that Tobe understands that Hayama is purposely not revealing his true self to his friends and is extremely private regarding his wishes and future. There are some deep Tobe and Hachiman moments in the story that the anime missed.
Tobe doesn't deserve Ebina though, he's a lustful guy.
Frienship ending incoming, 8man will learn to ope to people, Yukino will stop being a useless person and do shit by herself, Yui will be there too
Giving the wait, no matter the ending, who wins or lose, prepare for shitstorm.
the girls would be lying about their feelings of love if they said nothing and only opted for friendship. They will at least confess, and Hachiman will have to give honest answer. Friendship ending after dust settles from that is possible, but those things will have to happen.
He'd better only lust for Ebina otherwise his cheating ass can get fucked.
oh we'll have a lot of butthurt in the western world, since Iroha the most popular with Yui second...OreGairu has a clear endgame, only question is whether Hachiman will accept the other loner he's been very slowly growing closer to the whole story
I honestly want Yukino to get rejected, I like her even, but giving how the whole story has played out and the problems if each character and their development, I think is for the best for Yukino to lose, 8man despise doing the rejection, being open for a normal friendship with her.
I don't see him rejecting her and I don't see her problems affecting anything like before. He will either accept her or they go their own way. The new volume description seems pretty clear that her problems are going to be dealt with. I 95% don't think there will be a Yukino end or any romance end but I don't think she will have problems preventing her end.
You have a good handle on the series circa volume 10 but things have changed since so I wouldn't be too married to what "fits the story." This happens with a lot of people, they make their opinions about the series after vol 9 and 10 but never change it.
Man, I still remember volume 8/season 2 where the club was a completely toxic passive-agressive cesspool, then comes this scene were Hachiman meets up with most of the side characters to discuss the election and all the while I'm thinking: "why can't THIS be the cast instead? Please just leave the depressing lesbians alone or we'll be dragged into more shit."
>they make their opinions about the series after vol 9 and 10 but never change it.
I will say that this happen because, while some shit happen on vol 11, most was left hagging and any resolution to what was happening, is going to be show on vol 12, these leave some people on the air on how think about the event of vol 11, but since that shit has taken YEARS to be made, some decice to ignore it.
That was actually really nice. They fit the "bunch of misfits" thing more than the service club proper.
Alas, we now have to support the drama created by the lesbian couple
>then comes this scene were Hachiman meets up with most of the side characters to discuss the election and all the while I'm thinking: "why can't THIS be the cast instead?
Because that would make for a boring story?
>A bloo bloo bloo I got no friends and now I'm losing the club that I liked, muh Yukino muh Yui...
>"Hey onii-chan look at these people who came her to help you under no obligation and are willing to commit campaign fraud to help you out in your time of need!"
>A BLOO BLOO BLOO, muh club! Now things are somehow even worse than before! Everything's awful forever!
Can't feel bad for 8man after willingly jumping back to the drama club.
He can't help himself Anon.
He becomes a mess when she's mad at him and and obsessed weirdly over her when she's not around.
>Can have a fulfilling school live with bros and even a girlfriend
>Chooses club full of drama with two lesbians
Yeah, he's not a clever man