Fate/Apocrypha

>>160897765
Is Mordred more like a mentally retarded girl or more like an irrational animal?

UTW subs are out.

>>160897987
Four days late

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>>160897505
>Me, I am Mordred.
>I have a Vagina.
>Therefore, I am a son.
What the fuck is the point of this anymore. Just go ahead and say Mordred was a daughter, jesus christ. I don't care. I'm so sick of how stupid this is.

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>>160897818
100% retarded. I'd rather die without an heir than have this autistic sperglord succeed me too.

>>160897818
She's retarded because she's 8 years old but still spent all of it being a knight

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>>160897818
Isn't she mentally child with grown body or something?
Plus she probably never had a good spanking form her father

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Astolfo best character so far?

Stop trying to make an Apocrypha general.

>>160898138
Why do you care so much about gender? Are you from tumblr?

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>>160898240
Definitely.

>>160898328
>Implying it wasn't Takeuchi's fetish
>tfw Takeuchi keeps interrupting TM business meetings talking about the new Saber he drew.

>>160898324
No but I am a girl (male) because I wear skirTS FUCK OFF NIGGER YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS HOLY SHIT I'M ANGRY NOW.

>>160898382
>Takeuchi gave us the Tsukihime maids
>Gave us Saber instead of boring male Arthur
Takeuchi saved TM

>>160898478
Look at Astolfo, retard. Mordred situation isn't even complicated. She was raised as the "son of Arthur" and believes in that even if she's a woman. She's just dumb.

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>Mother?

I'm confused.

>>160897987
>they use mages instead of magi
Nah I'm sticking with APEX.

>>160898083
Quit bitching

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Burn the slut of Orleans

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>>160898580
your mom is hot

>>160897765
GOD this ep was filled with quality.

>>160898580
Arthur - father
Morgan - mother
Mordred - son

Merlin had Arthur grow a dick once, so he could fuck his sister, and create a retard child that destroyed the kingdom because Arthur didn't want to love that child and instead called it shitty.

So Mordred grew up with Daddy issues out the ass, and Arthur still refuses to take responsibility for that thing.

>>160898646
Morgan a cute, she just needed the D.

>>160898083
Entitled fucks like you is why fan subs died.
aside from crunchydick

>>160898684
>Arthur - father
>Morgan - mother
>Mordred - son
They're all women, though.

>>160898527
It's all fucking stupid and repetitive. Everything that isn't Fate/Stay Night, Zero or Hollow Ataraxia is extremely poorly written and full of repetition because once again the writers would rather do something that "worked' over and over again rather than pouring new ideas in.

>>160898770
It's not even that this is the most popular show of the season. It's the ONLY show that this group is doing. There's no excuse for a delay of more than 24 hours.

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>>160897765
The cat side flip gets me every time.

Thanks for the people who explained the female Arthur thing in the last thread. I have watched FSN and UBW but I never really understood that Saber was always female. I just thought when Arthur got summoned as a servant he manifested as a female.

So Mordred and Arthur were both actually female in the past. But what about all the rest of this stuff like Frankensteins monster was female and jack the ripper was like a 12 year old girl, etc? Is that all like, is that how this works?

I always thought some historical figured got genderswapped through the summoning ritual, not that they actually were those genders.

>>160898646
Going by Fate logic, that's a man and it's Mordred's other father.

>>160898774
Arthur had a dick at the time, no matter what happens she's the daddy now.

Mordred has a lot of gender issues because of this.

>>160898801
>Everything that isn't Fate/Stay Night, Zero or Hollow Ataraxia
Those are written exactly the same way as this shit.

>>160898828
>But what about all the rest of this stuff like Frankensteins monster was female and jack the ripper was like a 12 year old girl, etc?
Spin-off bullshit written by people other than Nasu. Basically they saw him get away with the "King Arthur but a female" thing and decided to turn everyone else into females because girls are more popular than boys to otaku.
It's a gae bolg cause-effect reversal situation.
They change the gender of the character, then bullshit up a flimsy excuse to why they're female and then the fanboys defend the choice for them because cute girls.

>>160898801
>Fate/Stay Night isn't full of repetition
said the Alzheimer's sufferer

>>160898828
The only one may have become a different gender upon being summoned is Quetzlecoatle, and that's because its mentioned in her profile how it works.

The way they look currently is mostly how they looked in the past. The only changes is that summoning may summon them at a different age of their life depending on circumstances.

Although with infinite alternate worlds-lines out there, different possibuilities exist. Which is why there is also a male Arthur out there who lived basically the same life as the female one. FSN Saber was always a girl, Prototype Arthur is male.

>>160898837
No they don't genderbent women because Takeuchi said he didn't want a sausage fest in Fate so they genderbent men.

>>160898828
This Jack is 412 billion aborted fetuses.

>>160898902
Alright now this is the part where you name repetitious stuff in Fate/Stay Night, because it was a pretty unique and well thought out VN at the time.

>>160898828
Frankenstein's monster was made female. Jack the Ripper (Assassin of Black) isn't a human, but a wraith manifested from the gestalt of the souls of fetuses aborted by the prostitutes of Industrial England. A magus noticed the source of the killings and dealt with the wraith, but it remained as a Heroic Spirit.

>>160898828
Most of them get their actual genders just weird cases like quetz and Da vinci get genderbended for the summoning for other reasons.

Also Frank isnt fiction in nasuverse so she was a female but in the book was male, with jack is different because she isnt really the true jack.

>>160898898
>Spin-off bullshit written by people other than Nasu.
I don't even have to read beyond that to know the entire opinion in this post needs to be discarded immediately.

>>160898828
magicians actually don't exist in our universe either. Jack is a lil grill who cut up whores to snuggle inside their wombs since her only positive memory is from when she was warm and snug inside the womb, Frankentstein's monster was a woman who wanted frank to make her a big hunk to marry but frank was like naaaah so she grunted a lot and went to die in a fire

>>160898646
futa

>>160898931
it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts it hurts

It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped. It can't be helped.

>>160898925
Are you saying I want to put my dick in a pile of dead babies now?
>>160899028
Yeah and what's with the english language repeating the word "the" all the time? Fucking unoriginal english fags, come up with a new conjunction.

I like how it ended with the necromancer finger banging the crippled girl, possibly to death.

>>160898646
Morgan is your closest representation of your average woman in the whole world of TYPE-MOON.

Bitch is hot as fuck, but she's so jealous of her sister that she was nuts enough to take SEMEN of her man-transformed sister and put it inside her vagina to bear HER SISTER'S child so said child can kill her.

Yup, sounds like your average woman.

>>160898972
Jack the ripper was designed by Yuuichirou Higashide and illustrated by Taketo Sanada. Nasu had nothing to do with her.
Frankenstein was designed by Meteo Hoshizora and illustrated by Takeshi Okazaki

I don't see Nasu's name there.

>Mordred shouldn't be king therefore Arthuria was right about everything and berfect

Even Mordred doesn't really want to be king, she's just doing it as an outlet to be recognized by her father who won't ever look at her. Everything she's doing is just to be noticed by Arthur. Don't pretend that Arthuria made that good of a choice in how she handled the Mordred situation. Mordred revealed herself to her father expecting daddy to be proud, and Arthuria acting like a robot just walked out of the room without saying a word. Mordred goes insane thinking Arthuria rejected her because she was the daughter of the witch Morgan. Arthuria made a damn point of never looking at Mordred at all, neither in love, nor in hate, or at all. Even Mordred's mats says that Mordred was right on the point that the king was an inhuman monster, but the one point Mordred missed is why Arthur had to be inhuman.

Mordred bows before Lion King in Camelot even though Lion King says that she'll kill Mordred along with the other heathens eventually, just because Lion King somewhat acknowledges Mordred.

Literally probably all Arthur had to do in that situation, is not be an autistic robot, maybe give Mordred some superficial words.

>>160899115
Prototype Morgan had sex with her brother after disguising herself as Merlin(female) then gave birth to a yandere dadcon son.

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jurnal post

saber should have patted mordred on the head

>The legend of King Arthur loses its glory bit by bit as it goes on, with infighting among the knights, barbarian attacks, and famine. And the one who has the role of closing the curtains on the legend is the traitor knight, Mordred. Her father is King Arthur, and her mother Morgan. A homunculus born from Morgan's magic and machinations, she was raised in a short time with revenge against King Arthur whispered into her ears. "This land is your's. You will one day be king". And yet Mordred did not give in to hate, and was proud of the king. She was no longer troubled by the thought that she was not human, and all that was left in heart was the pride of sharing the king's blood. And so Mordred dreamed. She dreamed that one day the King of Knights might recognise her as the successor to the throne. But she was mistaken. The King of Knights was a firm king, who allowed no flaws in the governing of the land. As Mordred was not fit to be a king, she would never be allowed to succeed the throne. But Mordred misunderstood this, and thought that because she was the child of Morgan, she was hated by the king.

>For Britain, King Arthur's efforts were merely delaying the inevitable. Everything was to come crumbling down someday, for the age of gods had already ended. But Mordred turned this slow decline into absolute destruction. It was only when the King of Knights wielding the Holy Spear dealt the final blow that the Traitor Knight finally realised:

>"Ah. It's not that the king was refusing to look at me. The king could see no-one, from the beginning."

>She recalled the words that one of the knights left behind before leaving Camelot.

>"The king knows not the hearts of men."

>It was only when all of her hate and adoration finally came to an end that she became certain that those words were true.

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>>160899344

>all the mental gymnastics in Apo threads by desperate fatefags trying to rationalise amateurish writing
Hilarious.

>>160899188
At the end of the day, the strength that let her raise a great kingdom, and kept her detractors silent would also lead to her downfall, it's pottery and shit

>>160898684
Mordred isn't Arthur's problem, she didn't ask for the retard.

>>160899348
>saber should have patted saber on the head
I agree

>>160899431
Its true about the Lancelot situation as well. All the guy wanted was to be punished, so he kept fucking up and kept hoping punishment would come eventually. Arthur kept calling him perfect, which drove him more insane.

Although Mordred and Lancelot were both basket cases waiting to explode.

>>160898646
>>160898580
This flashback is awkward as hell where two obviously female characters are constantly referred to as male; it’s just extremely jarring and makes the whole thing seem ludicrous. Even ignoring that, this episode was moronic even by this show’s fairly low standards.

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>>160899383
Arturia/Altria is the only acceptable one because it was the first (and at the time, only) incident of a legendary male being female because the anti-aging aspect could make you believe she just hid her gender.

But then they had to go and show feminine little Saber flipping around in a dress while everyone calls her a man and now I can't even take anything in this series seriously anymore. It's so tongue-in-cheek.

>>160899488
Good thing you'll never have sex.

>>160899188
Being an autistic robot is what made Camelot so mighty.

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>>160899383
get out

Would Kerry have gotten along better with Mordred? Would Iri have been able to help her with her issues?

>>160899523
But I did? I don't understand what you mean

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autism

>>160899495
>http://randomc.net/2017/08/07/fateapocrypha-06/comment-page-1/#comment-2291316

wat?

>>160897505
What the fuck is this retarded image? And why is this a general?

>>160898815
>most popular show of the season
top kek

>>160899611
>wtf I've only been here for two weeks why does a seasonal anime have general-esque threads

>>160899612
Whats the competition? Re:Creators? Princess?

>>160899612
What's more popular? Money glambing cucks? lel

>>160899564
>Killjoy Kerry
>getting along with Mordred
Absolutely not, guy would trigger her hard with his cold shoulder treatment, and Iri doesn't really fit with her issues

>>160899668
This literally a general since a new thread is posted before the other thread dies. /a/ has gone to shit recently.

>>160899668
What's up with the autistic image though

>>160899668
Fuck off. No series deserves a general, and most of the posts in these threads thus far have been either shitposting or off-topic (other Fate works, complaining about other Fate works). Have you not even noticed that a small number of people consistently bump the thread with waifu shitposting? Or, perhaps, are you one of those people?

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Dozo

>>160899810
Are you autismally challenged?

>>160899668
Kill yourself

>>160899868
Can you even speak english?

>>160899868
Previous thread: >>160854702
Thread hits 500 posts at about 15:11.
This thread is made at 15:33.

Earlier thread: >>160767590
Thread 404s at around 21:00.
>>160792038 is made at 1:08.

I don't care about what you think or how you believe that 'season generals' should be allowed or whatever else you may have to say. At least one person is attempting to make a constant general about Apocrypha, and that is not to be permitted.

Jeanne is a pretty shitty ruler, isn't she? She grants amnesty to a homunculus that was created for the sake of the war because she somehow sees him as an unrelated party, but is nowhere to be seen when Jack spends days mangling people for mana.
Does that slut really have no better way to check on what everbody's doing than moving her fat ass in random directions, hoping to randomly catch someone breaking her interpretation of the rules?

>>160900154
The power of dragon dick.

>>160898286
>>160899611
>>160899762
>>160899799
>>160899810
>>160899869
>>160899998
massively samefagging, /v/tard

/a/ isnt like your beloved /v/

go back to >>>/v/

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>>160899842
Tsuruoka was a good casting choice.

>>160900377
Kill yourself Narutard. Generals should be deleted on sight.

>>160900138
>Then she shouldn't have asked for a futa dick just to fuck his/her sister.

This never happened though.

>IM THE MOTHERFUCKING QUEEN DAME ARTURIA PENDRAGON, BITCH! IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT THE MEET ME OTSIDE! HOW BOUT THAT!

Read GoA, the guys she was ruling over didn't really want a king. But they had to respect her because she was perfect and flawless, outing herself as women would give those guys a reason to complain like they eventually did with the perfect stuff.

>>160900509
You're a fucking idiot. This anime is ongoing and somewhat popular that means someone will want to discuss is constantly or ask a question. If they don't find Apocrypha thread in catalog the'll just create it anyway

this anime is fucking shit.
lol

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>>160900761
you're a shit

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>Genderbending Doc Oc.
WOW NEXT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SPIDERMAN BLACK THANKS TYPE MOON.

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Jeck-chan

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Would you let your assassin go out dressed like this?

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>>160899506
>Telaports in front of you
>Nothing personal kid

Seriously, how did Mordred get skewered by someone who was right in front of her? Is saber just too fast?

>>160901888
Well hadn't Saber made a contract with the people who make counter guardians to become super strong or something? It's been a while since I read Fate route but I think that happened

>>160899506
>>160901888
mayonegg

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>>160902092
This happens later on and she doesn't follow up with the contract

>>160901888
I think she's supposed to pick the lance and pierce Mordred right after losing the sword, basically surprising her, but the director made those two clashes basically unrelated, so the scene didn't make sense.

>>160898815
>There's no excuse for a delay of more than 24 hours.
Yes there is they are doing it for free

>>160900154
>unrelated party

This part kind of gets me. She insists on filling his head with promises of living a peaceful, meaningful life off of the battlefield, all the while knowing fully well that the little fucker is going to get dragged kicking and screaming right back into the Grail War.

>>160901756
She kills you while you're jacking off.

>>160902212
Yeah it was fucking stupid and you can tell they just read a wikipedia article on the conflict and then animated it poorly.

>>160899564
Not at all. Despite their personality differences, Kerry and Arturia were actually well matched. Arturia often took the route of least deaths for victory, and didn't scoff at sacrifising a village here or there for the greater good. That mentality isnt much different from pre-4th Grail War Kerry

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Would Mordred be a better daughterson if her dad was ProtoSaber?

>>160902518
We already know what ProtoMordred is like.

>>160902518
Yes, ProtoSahba is too good for this though.

>>160902092
She made a contract before she died, like literally right after this scene, to not die and summon the grail to choose a better king

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for once the cliffhanger should just pick up next episode with the victim actually taking the hit and not being saved last second.

>>160898815

>There's no excuse for a delay of more than 24 hours.

Any decent group could sub a show within 5 or so hours but it's not going to happen if there's no translator present.

>>160902663
Centaur bro is her servant, she is practicality untouchable.

>>160901888
No A-1 Pictures just really fucked this scene up. They were both supposed to clash intensely with one another, Mordred manages to disarm Excalibur and thought Arthur was wide open but is then caught by surprise and impaled with Rhod.

>>160902663
Wouldnt be accurate to the LN if that happened

>>160902663
>he waited and downloaded UTW's release
what a fucking cuck

>>160901888
A1 fucked the scene, and Mordred was barely on her feet at that moment.

>>160902710
>Caught by surprise
>By a Lance the size of a Volkswagen.

Damn Mordred is just THAT incompetent or Lancers really are the most agile class.

>>160902663
>Her brother literally says he's going to go support her earlier in the episode

You'd have to be pretty stupid to not see the obvious foreshadowing.

>>160902837
Sabers are supposed to be super effective against Lancers

>>160902998
Damn, so Mordred is just a bad Saber then, Hell she did not instantly defeat a low tier assassin this episode.

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>>160902663
How did Kirito's clone manage to find a car so fast and break into it?
Remember there was no other car next to it.

>>160897818
I WANT HER TO KILL THAT FUCKING FAGGOT SIEG. ILL GIVE HER THIS 5 IF SHE KILLS THAT FAGGOT.

>>160902518
ProtoSaber is basically a better version of Saber. Like, in pretty much every regards besides being a waifu.

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>>160903185
Butthurt cuckold

>>160903058
>Hell she did not instantly defeat a low tier assassin this episode.
That assassin is super effective against any women. So against women they're certainly not low-tier.

>>160900807
This bitch has something that cool attached to her and yet is going to waste a Holy Grail wish on getting her legs back.

>>160903367
She can use her legs while being doc oc you know.

>>160897818
Both

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Check out my ride, /a/

Why is this so much worse than every other Fate related anime? FSN and FZ were pretty chuuni but at least they had some interesting qualities to it but this feels like such a generic battle shounenshit. Even right down to the ultra bland MC.

>>160903506
Higashide is a hack.

>>160903493
Wasn't the car red just before?

>>160903506
I don't know, I love the necromancer guy who's "not Kiritsugu" but just about everything else about this show is really bad, especially considering being a mage and using a gun is like, a big fucking no-no and the mage community will shun you forever.

>>160903552
I am a great magician.
YOUR CAR IS WHITE.

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Notably, how is Mordred’s Master able check the bodies? I don’t think the police would casually let a stranger check dead bodies like he did. I can understand maybe he used hypnotic spells, but he must have at least done something to avoid the security cameras, meh

>>160903564
>especially considering being a mage and using a gun is like, a big fucking no-no and the mage community will shun you forever.
What's your point?
Just because you are a mage doesn't mean you have to be part of the Mage Association.

>>160903493
Did he get a good view of Fiore?

>>160903552
Asspull

Would DEEN have done a better job?

>>160903564
He literally lives a cursed existence, will never have offspring, and steals rogue mage's magic circuits for a living

>>160903806
What's so bad about saving your budget by not spending it on the shittiest part anyway

>>160903873
He's also only 32, jesus christ, this old man looking mother fucker is younger than me...Necromancy, not even once

>>160903564
>daring to compare Kiritsugu to a Kirito clone
Jesus Christ, Kairifags are so delusional

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Top Kek!

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So this is Saber Caster?

>>160904085
No, that's a slut.

>>160903987
Can someone explain the Kirito clone meme to me? Is it because he wear's a black jacket? Because thats literally the only shared feature between the two

Mordred episodes >>> Jeanne/Sieg episodes

>>160904152
But this was filled with QUALITY though.

>>160904170
Would you prefer quality action or perfectly on model Jeanne & Sieg talking scenes?

>>160904085
Morgain, Saber's half-sister.

>>160904121
>plot armor
>plot convenience
>random bullshit asspulls

you're trying too hard.

>>160904281

But does she have a Saber face?

That's the only Saber we're missing

>>160904319
Except that Kairi dies in the end, doesnt have a harem, is a second rate mage rather than the best at everything, and doesnt even have a waifu

>>160904332
Isn't Nero Swimsuit a Caster?

>>160904319
Wait so you're comparing him to Kirito because he's a competent fighter?

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Is the composer for the Fate/Apocrypha anime the same person behind the IBO soundtrack?

They sound so similar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzL5N0tn60w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J9tiuNupYc

>>160904384

But that's an offshoot of an offshoot

>>160904443
So?

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Why is A-1 so shit? That same fucking explosion noise that happens several times an episode is driving me crazy.

>>160904121
It's just someone trying too hard.

>>160904568
Even Deen did it better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAh6czAeBfA

>>160904678
I think /a/ needs to re-watch DEEN's F/SN together just for fun.

>>160899672
Yeah

>>160898138

Mordred was the original Aho Girl

>>160904678
>>160904568
Fucking A-1

>Grabs some Noble Phantasm looking lance
>Doesn't even show or imply Mordred delivering her blow

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>Tfw got fucking Solomon and Mordred instead of this motherfucker and Benkei

Shit decision Nasu/Higashide

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>>160904786
>>Grabs some Noble Phantasm looking lance
Supposedly that's how Rhoniggamyad looks, but didn't Arthur just pick up any random fucking spear to skewer Mordred with? I'm confused.

>>160904678
Honestly what I hate the most about DEEN's is the fucking lackluster OST. What the fuck was Kawai thinking? On the other side, we have his UBW movie OST which is amazing.

Fuck DEEN's anime OST, fucking awful.

>>160904678
Wait, what? Has Mordred had that design for that long? I know there was a flashback to this scene in the VN, but I don't remember her having a design, or even being referenced as a girl.

>>160904814
>Solomon
Don't call this faker by that name. Call him Avicebron.

>>160904851
>>160904786
They should have just made it smaller in the scene. Regular Saber wielding it looks ridiculous.

>>160904851
Artoria picked up a random spear. A-1 fucked it up by putting Rhoniggamyad there for no reason whatsoever.

>>160904910
Wasn't it always Rhon? Now it just has an official design that doesn't fit with regular Saber at all/

>>160904814
Keep him out Apocrypha let him have his own spinoff with the rest of Japanese folklore servants

>>160904152
>shit battles.
>no character development.
>tonnes of plot holes, asspulls and plot armor.
>bad jokes.
>bland forced comedy.
>mediocre animation quality.

it was just generic shonen jump shit episode.

>>160904717
What would sex with Fiore be like? Feels like those robot legs could do some kinky shit.

>>160904872
She was always a clone of Arturia. I remember reading Saber backstory in the VN and being incredibly confused because it was referring to Mordred both as she and son.

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>>160905030
You could force her to give you a paizuri with those lovely breasts, and she can't run away from it.

>>160905030
>What would sex with Fiore be like.

Like a dead fish from the bottom half down

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>>160904786
>Grabs some Noble Phantasm looking lance
really now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHgyMi-YD6M

>>160905176
>Grabs the noble phantasm of a hypothetical goddess version of herself that never actually existed outside of Fate GO.

The spear was literally put in as a cheap ad space for the game

>>160904851
She's a servant bro, she can just summon any of her noble phantasms any time she wants, duh you dumb dumb secondary.

Nevermind that she's not a servant in that scene and her weapons aren't noble phantasms.

Honestly though, this raises a question. Did the heroes who would later become servants have servant level abilities when they were alive? I'd always interpreted it as servants having some level of supernatural ability in their former life that gets multiplied exponentially by their legendary/mythical status. Same with their weapons turned noble phantasms. That seems to be what the VN always implied, but all this new fate shit seems to suggest otherwise.

>>160905230
holy shit secondary I won't spoon-feed you but come on you can do better

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>Arthur and Mordred have been transformed into fanservice women for virgin

A sad chapter of destruction in the history of mankind.

>>160905295
Not only that but Arthur, herself, is a virgin, despite being a king with children.

>>160905253
Yes and No

SOME heroic spirits had Servant level power in life (Herc, Arturia), most gained Servant level power as a result of their popularity. (Remember what Seibah says in FSN, that a Servant's power is dictated by how well known its legend is)

Example, Shirou. Yes, he has the potential to summon UBW, but without outside assistance from shared mage circuits, itd be years before he could do so on his own, even longer to maintain it,

>>160905253
It depends.

Some Servants got massive boosts since they were normal humans in life. Others are the same, and others are nerfed (either by their Class or other reasons).

For example, Shakespeare was a normal guy, Saber really did have cool powers, and Gilgamesh gets ranked down divinity because he hates gods that much.

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>>160904852
>hating the DEEN OST
Kill yourself, it's literally a god tier soundtrack, far better than anything from Ufotable.

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what the fuck?

>>160898914
>Which is why there is also a male Arthur out there who lived basically the same life as the female one.
Merlin gave him a dick so he could fuck Morgan, too?

>>160905275
Show me ANY other Fate material outside of FGO with Mama Arturia. Or Rhongomiant being used by regular Arturia before this episode.

>>160904851
>Using a jousting lance on foot, while in close combat.

Fucking retarded.

>>160905448
Probably gauntlets? He is in full armour, after all

>>160905357
But if Herc and Saber were already Servant tier, and they're also the most well-known heroes, shouldn't they be fucking unstoppable? They were the strongest, for sure, but far from unbeatable.

How did Saber die on that hill if she could shoot lasers out of her sword?

>>160905454
No. He gave him a dick so he could fuck Morgan and Guinevere at the same time.

>>160905501
how can you use gauntlets when you are missing a fucking arm?

>>160905526
Servant Class Containers also have a powercap. Same reason why most Casters default to E strength or D at best when they were much stronger (eg Cu Chulainn)

>>160905588
Are you blind?

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>>160905585

>>160905588
Was he missing it at that point? Is this some shit from GO?

>>160897505
How much screentime will the homunculus take away? Is the purpose to put Janne in a position where she has to consider remaining true to her Ruler classes impartiality, or help the homunculus free the other ones, which would be interfering with the Black Fraction, as both parties clearly acknowledged during the confrontation after Siegfried's death?

>>160905526
Herc got depowered by his class. Its been confirmed if he was summoned as Archer, he'd be fucking unstoppable.

Arturia got standard Beam Sword upgrade of all other Seibahs. Before that, you can assume Excalibur was a normal (albeit magic) sword

>>160898640
I'll burn her with my hot semen.

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>>160905623

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>>160905295
>Arthur and the Knights of the Round Table have been transformed into bad comedy for bongistanis
A deplorable chapter of devastation in the history of man.

>>160897505
>loses to an unarmed, incomplete centaur
Worst saber ever.

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>>160905676

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Why do people hate Apocrypha again?

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>>160905650
Didn't the Einzberns summon Hercules as Berserker intentionally? Why didn't they summon him as Archer? It's not like the class was taken, and they summoned him years in advance.

>>160905631
Bear this in mind - all the Servants have had to literally TELL the audience who they were SEVERAL TIMES PER EPISODE because of how badly characterized they were. Alstolfo has the most screentime and he's spent it piddling around doing generic waifubait moeshit which has nothing to do with his personality or legend.

Sieg took up too much time in the written version and we know for a fact that scenes have been ENTIRELY CUT AWAY from other characters to make room for MOAR SIEG EXDEE.

>>160905746
Was he driving on a giant road on the abyss

>>160905746
Because of the people that were not present in this episode. I was planning to drop it but people said 6 was ok and it really was, am I missing anything by skipping 4 and 5?

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http://forums.nrvnqsr.com/showthread.php/1451-Fate-Apocrypha-Translation-%28no-spoilers%29?p=1243623&viewfull=1#post1243623

>Having been left in charge while Arthur was out on an expedition, Mordred saw her chance, instigating the army and taking the throne that she so wanted. Upon the King's return, a battle immediately unfolded between the forces of Arthur and Mordred - what would be known as the great battle of Camlann. Most of the King's famous knights were no longer present at this point and Arthur and Mordred engaged in one-on-one combat in the middle of the blazing battlefield. Even as she was pierced by the holy spear Rhongomyniad, Mordred dealt a fatal blow to the King.

No, this need not apply to every world. If F/SN has established that it was a random spear then, in the world of F/SN, it was a random spear. In the world of Apocrypha, it was not.

>>160905526
I think you are conflating Heroic Spirits with Servants. Heroic Spirits are insanely powerful, so powerful that normally no person could summon or control them. Servants are a way to get access to the power of a Heroic Spirit in the form a familiar, but to do that requires compromises. Classes have drawbacks, while some are definitely designed to be more powerful than others (the 3 Knight classes are far stronger than the others by design), they still only access certain parts of a Heroic Spirit's power. So as powerful as Herc or Arturia were as Berserker and Saber, neither was as powerful as their true Heroic Spirit form which does not need to be constrained into a summonable form.

>>160905746
Because this scene didn't have some sick eurobeat playing.

>>160905650
>source: my ass

>>160905788
They were salty over Kiritsugu betraying them, so they wanted a slave that wouldn't disobey them no matter what. If they summoned Herc as an Archer, he'd have Independant Action, which would go against that, so the best option was Berserker, in terms of loyalty. And they were right, kinda.

>>160905820
I honestly don't remember anything about those episodes, so probably not.

>>160905650
>It's been confirmed if he was summoned as Archer, he'd be fucking unstoppable
Do not lie.

>>160905788
The Einzberns are stupid. They were buttmad over Kerry betraying them so they decided to go for a Servant/Master combo that would do exactly as they were told with zero chance of betrayal. Best option for that was humunculus magic battery + berserker servant with its madness always active so it can't think or plot against them. To overcome that handicap they went with a hero so absurdly busted that even as a mindless beast he would still be overkill.

>>160905650
How can you be so wrong

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>>160905835
https://my.mixtape.moe/ktylgq.webm

>>160897818
Neither, it's just bad writing. She's not like this in the original.

>>160898138
She is like this, though. But it's because she was raised with Morgan le Fay telling her she should be ashamed of her lady bits because she has to be king. And when she found out she was a clone, essentially, of King Arthur, she assumed something must have gone wrong to make her a girl. If she admits to being female she admits, in her mind, to being a flawed copy.

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>>160905835
>eurobeat
>not crunk

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Would FA have been saved if Flat was Mordred's master instead of Go-Lion?

>>160905942
I don't know if you timed it intentionally, but the "standing on my feet"+her falling over made me smile.

>>160905788
They are idiots. That's also why they summoned Angra in the stay night timeline and Amakusa Shirou in the Apocrypha timeline.

>>160905881
>>160905848
Source: Fate/Strange Fake.

He has access to Hydra Bow, can fire arrows up to 20km away, can shoot down projectiles from the GoB, is equal in power to Gil with Ea, AND has the ability to copy other Servant's NP's

>>160905866
>>160905866
Nice, I will probably do the same for the rest of the season.

>>160906049
Yes.
>cuter than Astolfo
>seduces Sieg
>friendzones Sieg because he's pure
>Sieg commits sudoko
>series is saved

>>160906113
>no link
>source remains: my ass

>>160906113
Every time people talk about Strange Fake, it sounds really fun. Has there been any talk about it getting an adaptation?

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>>160906113
Again: do not lie. Fool.

That is not "Archer Heracles". Nor are those the powers of an Archer Heracles.

Always come to know that what you say is certainly true before you propose to say it.

>>160906113
>the ability to copy other Servant's NP's
>Archer Herc

>>160905942
Beautiful

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>>160905746
>>160905942
and the big question is: How did he manage to find another car so fast and break into it?

>>160906169
Third volume of the LN series. Go read nigger

>>160905526
Servant Classes have limits, and sometimes some people get really lucky when it comes to the manifestations of their legends as NPs. For example, Iskandar getting an EX-ranked reality marble.

Also, there is the issue of the master to consider, Saber under Shirou has shit stats. Under Kiritsugu she has good stats and shitty luck.

>>160906202
Alkeides, aka Alcides, aka Heracles

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>>160906259
You continue to spin lies, of your own will. Stop.

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>>160905820
>>160905866
>>160906116

>>160905623
Just think, this would have literally solved everything. Camelot would never have fallen if Saber had just taken the time to do something like this. She didn't even have to promise Mordred the throne, just pay attention to her occasionally.

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>>160906113
>>160906259
>Liberal Arts major in charge of citations

>>160906343
you truly are patetic anon

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>>160906358
Incest is immoral.

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>>160905942
another indestructible magic car with 0 damage taken (without any scratch or broken window) after violently colliding with Fiore. Fiore still tried to grab himself on the car with their metal claws, rubbing their metal claws several times on the car.

>>160906202
That's literally Hercules, I'm not sure what point you're trying to prove other than him being Avenger/Archer instead of just Archer.

>>160906468
The "stealing other NPs" is explicitly an ability he only gets as an Avenger.

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>>160906438
That is not new, anon

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>it's an 'Arturian-legend-but-genderflipped' episode

>>160906566
Ok, taking that away, how does that negate the other broken aspects he gets from his Archer class such as the Nemeian Lion Pelt or Hydra Bow can fire supersonic arrows 20km away?

>>160906586
Why would a mage use guns and not magic to fight?

>>160906438
>0 damage
>>160906586

Super Nintendo game

>>160906728
Well, according to the little information we have on him, Merlin preferred using swords to magic. Magic swords, but supposedly he just found it simpler to hit people with sharp things than go through the trouble of working a spell in combat.

>>160906728
Ask Kerry

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Why is this shit so boring compared to Fate/Zero or even UBW? Most people had read Zero before it aired, and everyone had read UBW, yet the threads for those were still great. I feel like most people haven't read Apocrypha, yet these threads are so dead.

Is it just that bad? Is Type-Moon dead? Is /a/ dead?

>>160906627
The Hydra Bow is fine, but from what I remember, he only has so many NP's because he's Avenger. We just don't know for certain what parts of his kit, skills, and powers are from being an Archer, besides the bow, so we can't call him Archer Heracles, since that'd quite likely be weaker than he is in Strange Fake.

Why the fuck isn't Sisigo the main character?

>>160906859
A-1.

>>160906859
Probably because Zero's cast are psychopaths

>>160906627
Nemean Lion Pelt is useless against Divine Construct

>>160897818
What's the difference?

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>>160906468
>That's literally Hercules
Lie.

Moving forward:
>The Twelve Glories: King's Order
>The numerous proofs of overcoming trials that Alkeides obtained in exchange for giving up his immortality ALONG WITH HIS DIVINITY.

>>160906113
>He has access to Hydra Bow
Lie. The 'source' of this claim is its mention as being a possibility in the idle speculations of a low-ranking magus in F/SN; it has never been mentioned again.

>has the ability to copy other Servant's NPs
Lie.
>" Then, the avenger activated his own Noble Phantasm. Neither Nine Lives nor King's Order. His hidden, third Noble Phantasm, activated by his being warped into the Avenger Class."


And the liar came to nothing in the lion's skull.

>>160906866
Thats the thing though. All his NP's as True Archer are specific to Heracles himself, except Reincarnation Pandora.

Twelve Glories: King's Order are his Twelve Labors specifically.

Nine Lives: Shooting the Hundred Heads is a refrence to him killing the Hydra with a single shot from his bow, severing all 100 heads with 1 arrow

>>160906800
Jesus christ Type-Moon really goes out of their way to completely shit on myths.

>>160898138
Not all boys have penises.

>>160906859
Everyone in Zero was independant, and almost all of them were autistic or insane to some degree, so funnily enough, there were more factions in the regular grail wars, with less Servants. As such, there were seven groups, each doing things for their own benefit, compared to just the three in Apo (Black, Red, Team Jack).

The same applies to UBW. Just more chaos factors. Although, it'll pick up quite a bit soon enough, so it's not all bad.

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>>160905435
>far better than anything from Ufotable.

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>>160906894
>Why the fuck isn't grizzled old man with an actual personality the main character rather that the spineless literal blank slate?

>>160897818
both

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< Literally the only good thing to come out of this catastrophe.

>>160907060
>being a self-insert fag
I seriously hope you kill yourself

>>160906998
>Lie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles
>Heracles (/ˈhɛrəkliːz/ HERR-ə-kleez; Ancient Greek: Ἡρακλῆς, Hēraklēs, from Hēra, "Hera"), born Alcaeus[1] (Ἀλκαῖος, Alkaios) or Alcides[2]

>>160907002
>All his NPs as True Archer are specific to Heracles himself, except Reincarnation Pandora.
>Twelve Glories: King's Order are his Twelve Labors specifically.
Liar. Do you seriously still not understand what King's Order is, yet? Are you so young that such a thing could still be possible?

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>>160907027

>>160907096
learn to read retard

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>>160907003
That's how they make money, though

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>>160907099

>>160907143
>>Why the fuck isn't grizzled old man with an actual personality the main character rather that the spineless literal blank slate?
There's only one way to read that, and the conclusion is that you're a massive fag.

>>160907169
Who's translating the LNs? Beast Lair?

>>160907169
https://www.behindthename.com/name/alkeides
>Greek form of Alcides
>Aka Heracles

>>160906998
>Lie.
Alcides is another name for Hercules you fucking retard.

>>160907205
>>160907218
Fools. Read the novels. Do not propose to call me wrong without doing so.

>>160907198
This is some impressive bait

>>160907096
Holy shit, you are autistic. How can you not detect the sarcasm coming off that post? It's so overt I'd hesitate to even call it sarcasm.

>>160907264
reading's for nerds, nerd

>>160907264
I've read the novels the First Labor of the King's Order is the Nemean Lion's Pelt.

Alcides literally summons Cerberus in volume 4

>>160907334
t.Brainlet

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>>160905492
Her lancer self is at least riding a dumb horse while using Rhondo.

Rhondorado also has two versions depending on whether its Alter or Vanilla Saber, just like Excalibur. Also Saber rides a different horse depending on whether its Alter or Vanilla.

White Lancer gets Dun Stallion, Black Lancer gets Llamrei

You can just tell they had NO idea what to do for story here.
>And now you should draw ALL THESE SERVANTS. And be sure their designs are easily convertible into low-quality resin sculptures
>Um... ok? But what are they doing?
>Pardon?
>How do we continue every character's legend? They all had a unique story-
>Shut your fucking mouth. Can we make dakimakura out of 'story'? Will otaku buy more than one figurine just because a character gets more 'screentime'? No. Then shut the fuck up and draw you useless sack of shit.
>Um... ok... I guess we could free up some time if we nixed that unnecessary homunculus story-
>THAT'S THE FUCKING SELF-INSERT. WE ARE NOT GETTING RID OF HIM. NOT ONE MORE FUCKING WORD OUT OF YOU
>Yes sir. Sorry sir.
>Awesome. Call me when my sacks of money get here. I'm off to go drown sacks of puppies and tie damsels to railroad tracks.

>>160907264
How about you read any bit of Greek mythology? Never mind that Alcides is literally just a variant spelling of Hercules, all of his noble phantasms are clearly referencing the legend of Hercules. Are you seriously trying to debate this? It's like arguing that the sky isn't blue. There's nothing to debate, you're just fucking wrong.

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>>160907453
White Lancer = Her lion qualities
Black Lancer = Her dragon qualities

They really can't settle on just one animal theme with this bitch.

>>160907002
Archer Herc wouldn't have King's Order because it's "let's have Herc have all of his other class NP in exchange for GH and Divinity" NP

This Alkeides isnt Herc argument going on is like the one from the other day stating Elizabeth Bathory and Carmilla are not the same person

>>160907496
Read the novels, you dumb motherfucking cocksucker. "Alcides" therein is not a 'variant spelling of Hercules'.

>all of his noble phantasms are clearly referencing the legend of Hercules
Read the novels, you dumb motherfucking cocksucker.

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>>160906894
>>160907060
>>160907096
This is some impressive bait
There's only one way to read that, and the conclusion is that you're a massive kiritofag.

>>160907453
Wait if she's riding, why isn't she called Rider?

>>160907656
She's the only actual lancer, the other ones are just spearmen. A lance is something you use atop a horse.

She's not a rider because the mount isn't the NP.

>>160907656
do we really have to go over this now

>>160904281
She's not, or shouldn't even be a half sister in Nasuland since she's stated to be Uther's daughter as well in GoA, rather than being Gorlois'

>>160907593
>Elizabeth Bathory and Carmilla are not the same person
That one is at least understandable, because they aren't the same person in reality. The connection there is purely a Fate concoction.

On the other hand, Alcides is literally just a variant spelling of Hercules, and True Archer in strange/fake is just Herc summoned in his human form, after he had given up his immortality.

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>>160907725
Considering the artist of both Lancer Arthurias made a comic addressing it? Its been answered.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2439827

Would heroic spirit Elliot Rodgers be summoned to Red, Black or Mother?

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>>160904872
Yes she's had one for a long time now, it's just that she got a redesign come Apocrypha, which is also when they fully decided she's a complete clone including gender of daddy

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Why didn't Jack just throw her knife?

>>160907625
It's literally Hercules you dumbfuck, and no amount of you pretending you're the only one that's read strange/fake will change that.

Just admit that you're a fucking idiot and you didn't catch on that he was Hercules until it came up in this thread.

>>160897765
how is this allowed

>>160907852
Because she's a dumb kid

>>160906728
>0 damage
>after been sprayed by hundreds of bullets!
Let's not deviate from the subject.

>>160907625
>"Alcides" therein is not a 'variant spelling of Hercules'.
Alcides is the given name to heracles, the greek variation of the character hercules.

>>160907852
Because she's clearly just having a jolly good time, and having Mordred's slice at Jack looks cooler than her slashing away a flying dagger

>>160907904
the world’s most famous serial killer

>>160907765
>after he gave up his immortality
Now, we're getting somewhere. Now, someone has conceded that point without demanding that *I* prove it. Now, I can redirect the argument to his character page again.

King's Order is a result of changing "Heracles" into "Alcides". I *do not care* whether or not any person thinks that they are the same person; the matter of King's Order is simply what the work itself says.
Regeneration Pandora is a result of changing Alcides into a partial-Avenger. The matter of Regeneration Pandora is simply what the work itself says.

Therefore, returning to the original point of contention:
No, Archer Heracles is not confirmed to have access to a "Hydra Bow" NP. No, Archer Heracles is not confirmed to be able to "fire arrows up to 20km away". No, Archer Heracles is not "equal in power to Gil with Ea". No, Archer Heracles does not have "the ability to copy other Servant's NPs".

That is all that I wanted to contend.

>>160907625
I read the novels

>Master summons Archer Heracles
>"will you kill children?"
>"No"
>Master uses three command spells to break his mind, and splashes him with grail mud
>"How about I call you Heracles Alter now?"
>"No, Heracles is my slave name, it ties me to those damned Olympus bastards. I shall take on the true name of my people, and be called Alcidies. Which is my true birth name before those Olympus bastards fucked me. I shall do anything in my revenge towards them, I shall wear a cloth over my head in order to not look upon the works of man anymore until I get my revenge"

He's literally Heracles Alter, he just doesn't want to be called it.

>>160908015
>heracles, the greek variation of the character hercules
you need to not be here anymore
forever

>>160908071
>fire arrows up to 20km away
I mean i agree with other things you said but this isn't really something special to Alcides

>>160908097
>>160908071

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>>160907852
secrecy

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>>160907904
and Mordred is a 5 year old mentally handicapped child

>>160908015
And Alkeides is the Greek spelling of Alcides

>>160908201
Maybe, maybe not, but it can't be said to be verifiably true. We haven't seen Archer Heracles do *anything* other than be mad at Bazdilot. He does not have any verifiable abilities or traits beyond Eye of the Mind (False), Valor, Battle Continuation, God Hand and Nine Lives - *all* of which he had whilst still Berserker Heracles. That's *all* that I wanted to get across. We have learned next-to-nothing about Archer Heracles through his technical summoning in Strange Fake.

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>this thread

>>160908375
Nah, this is a better representation of this thread in its current discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CsTlH4QOg

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>>160907080
Smug.

>>160908527
Why would a Berserker unplug a computer?

>>160908527
I want to protect that smile.

Also, that love confession when you 4th Ascend her in FGO

>>160908071
They are the same person you fucking idiot.

Have YOU read strange fake? His entire motivation is to erase his past. He's ashamed of what he did in his life, and wants nothing to do with the name he was given for his deeds. That's why he goes by Alcides.
>No, Archer Heracles is not confirmed to have access to a "Hydra Bow" NP. No, Archer Heracles is not confirmed to be able to "fire arrows up to 20km away". No, Archer Heracles is not "equal in power to Gil with Ea". No, Archer Heracles does not have "the ability to copy other Servant's NPs".
Look, I can understand the warped autistic logic that you're trying to argue, that the Hercules summoned as Berserker might not be the same as "Alcides" were he summoned as an Archer, but it's moot. Alcides IS Archer Hercules, no matter how bootyblasted that makes you. Just like Lancer Artoria and Saber and Saber Lily are the same fucking person.

>>160898159
Damn she doesn't even resemble a human with that face.

>>160908583
She's being considerate of her clumsy master who obviously left the computer connected by mistake.

You've got to save power, anon.

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>>160907852
To be fair, Sisigou is just a generic shounen big dumb guy with a one track mind for children between 2 and 5 years.

>>160907516
She's inherently linked to dragons, but she has a personal preference towards lions.

The dragon represents her power and lineage, the lion represents her pride and courage. And the Shirou represents her hunger for the D.

>>160908654
Well, his motivation for the HGW IS to resurrect his dead step daughter