The state of mega shounen anime

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>>160886437
Detective Conan just reached chapter 1000 and episode 869 :^)

Didn't read lol

>>160886490
and twenty one movies

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>>160886585
I'm certainly not complaining!

>>160886437
>Now there's a new generation of battle shounen, which is better than the previous one, but it's still missing the mark. Shougeki no souma, one punch man, boku no hero academia are all under-ambitious in comparison to the older generation.
opm is not shonen.

on the main issue: times change, get over it. in the 90's the authors did not have as much competition, plus: manga was the main source of leisure of the japanese. today there are internet, social media and the paper industry is in decline. note that almost no title reaches 1 million in the oricon weekly rankings.

>>160886437
Older battle shounens were most simple affairs than the more character focused newer ones

I feel that One Piece is actually more expansive than it's predecessors since those older ones where just jumping from arc to arc while OP tries to bind the arcs into one grand whole with its world-building.

>>160886490
Don't use emoticons on /a/.

>>160886940
Not my problem.

Dragonball sucked towards the end, and the big three tried to copy that formula of bigger always being better. It's the smaller scale personal stories people care about. Naruto should have stayed as team 7 doing missions and slowly working their way up the ranks. Bleach should have stayed as slice if life ghostbusters.

>>160886437
>OPM is shonen
OP is a fag.

Older battle shounens were repetitive as fuck. Mostly just train to defeat the antagonists only for a stronger antagonists to come up for the MC to defeat for another to come up fro the MC to defeat.

Said antags were usually 1-dimensional

>>160886437
how were older manga ambitious?

keep in mind HnK wasn't the first to use ki energy, Hajime no Ippo was obviously not the first sports anime, and YYH is a rip-off of dragon ball.

>>160886437

>if we weren't kids when we first watched them we wouldn't give a fuck about them

Like you said the generation that watched battle shounen had grown out of it and most kids these days are either riajuu or /v/irgin.

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>>160887141
But those 1-dimensional villains are memorable and left a big impact on the audience.

I think that's one the biggest problem of current generation shonen. The authors are incapable to write a good villains like DIO, Shishio, Itachi or Aizen.

>>160886437
tl;dr

>>160887901
I hate naruto and bleach even though I grew up with them and I want more shows like rurouni kenshin and dragon ball that are good

>>160886437
>What caused the downfall of epics about saving the universe or redemption spanning over years and years of the heroes' lives? Why is everything so grounded these days?

Postmodernism. People think meaning is myth, so they don't like epics about heroes who live by strong, dichotomous values because they appear "unrealistic" or disingenuous. That's the entirety of the cause behind the change. It's a self-defeating misinterpretation of deconstruction.

I would also argue against the idea that everything is "so grounded" these days. Real life and actual human interaction are infrequently as deranged, depressing, dark, meaningless, and/or as open to interpretation as most postmodern media would have you believe. The obsessions with making something "realistic" by totally eschewing concepts of meaning, truth, or authority have absolutely crossed over into the realm of surrealism and absurdity.

The dumbfucks writing this drivel don't even realize that, if their assertions on meaning were true and things were as dark as they imagine, then any normal person stepping up into the shoes of a "hero" is arguably larger than life and "more" than the rest of us who choose to do nothing. It's a matter of coming full-circle, where people have over-thought themselves into antithetical pseudo-intellectualism.

>>160887061
Honestly, that's what some of the current young adults want in them, but pre-teens and teens are usually all about world crisis and "epic" showdowns. Kishimoto wanted to do exactly what you described, but editor didn't let him. Bleach wasn't really popular in its initial phase either. These are facts. But I think OPM is trying to do this "battle shounen for adults" thing.

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>>160886437
>>160887818

Dio is not a good villain and most naruto antagonists are a million times better written what the fuck are you talking about?
Naruto is (especially up to Pain) a lot better than most older shounen. Fucking Hokuto no Ken is a bore, YYH is boring derivative shounen shit.
The only good one of the ones you mentioned has to be ruroken (haven't watched hajime no ippo though.)
I can't believe some people are so retarded as to buy the naruto is bad meme from like 2005. You were 13 at the time and the "narutard" meme stuck because of that but that's not different than liking a show solely based on nostalgia.
Just fuck off already with your shit taste.

>>160889897
holy shit the bait is real.

>>160887818
>The authors are incapable to write a good villains like DIO, Shishio, Itachi or Aizen.
DIO is a meme. Kira is better.
Itachi is an emo. Orochimaru is the only good villain of the series.
Shishio was great, Enishi was shit.
Aizen is a meme.

>early One Piece
>cheap knock off
>missing the point

You shouldn't post about things you apparently know nothing about

>>160891485
But what made super length shounen great was not the villains. The whole was greater than the sums. Kenshin is a good example so I'll stick with it.
The Tokyo arc is about Kenshin failing to figure out what he should do. He didn't figure anything out while wandering and he didn't figure anything out while not wandering. The Shishio arc was his opportunity to test if his vow to never kill again has any meaning. The Enishi arc was about him trying to find redemption. While like almost everybody the Shishio arc is my favorite arc, what makes the story great is the feeling of a story that stretches over a long period of time with many little bits that build up to something big. That big thing in this case is Kenshin's peace of mind and redemption.

>>160891485
Aizen was actually one of the best characters in the whole thing.
It's just that the story and power levels that tite was forced into(Far away from his real ability, characterization and telling smaller more human stories) grew well beyond his ability to conceptualize them and he fell into navel gazing madness.

The short attention span of Mellenials.. Yeah, i'm talking to you you 2000's babies. Good job on making manga worse than it already was.

>>160893162
That's not the problem actually.
The problem is that no one knows why those stories did so well and the fact that there is a shit ton of stuff out there to keep people interested if what they are on now is shitting the bed or is terrible.

At this very second, the shounen genre, even generic shounen, is so barren today that it's hearbreaking. Fucking OPM which is seinen is called shounen.

A non porny more wholesome action shounen aimed at the shounen demo including adults would do so well right now it would be insane.
I mean, Tiger and Bunny is seen as top shit when it comes to action/shounen anime in Japan even today.

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>>160886437
>Now there's a new generation of battle shounen, which is better than the previous one

BNHA fags actually believe this.

>>160893572
It's only better by virtue of how bad the previous gen was, that's not to say that it is good. Boku no hero is basically naruto but not utter shit.

>>160893509
Man, I was aiming for (you)'s, but you fucking hit the nail on the head. OPM is great. It isnt a fucking shounen. I'm saving your reply to use in the future.

>>160893509
>Shounen genre is barren
Probably because the demographic is decreasing as Japan's population becomes older.
Also not to jump on Oda's dick but it's hard to get attention in the genre when you're going to be compared to the longest running/highest selling/most prestigious series.